Nice video. The only comment I'd make is the mic technique shown here looks more like a slightly modified Recorderman technique. The Glen Johns technique has the floor tom mic way lower than what's being shown here. Not trying to nitpick here but your demonstration could lead to confusion. Otherwise, great video, great sounds. Nicely done. Hope to see more of these videos.
In the video of Glyn demonstrating his technique he did place the mics much lower to the kit. Maybe at about 30 inches. But he wasn't picky about distance so long as the distance was roughly the same, and it sounded good. The other thing he emphasises is running good console preamps slightly hot (he worked with the Olympic 1, and disliked SSLs), with the master slightly cool. And I think that would result in a more in your face sound than in this recording. Because his goal was to capture the real sound the drummer was hearing, since he figured the drummer had worked out how to get the sound they wanted.
This is very meaningful and knowledgeable video I already watched your many videos of recordings Iam from India I love your content..iam learning lots of things ❤ Love from India
Could you do an episode on how to properly record a Djembe too? And as an addition maybe the complete ensemble, Djembe (2 or 3 parts) Dundun, Sanban and Kenkeni plus their bells?
Love these videos. Interestingly, I place the left mic lower and behind the floor Tom instead, still equidistant from overhead mic. Will have to compare the two now!
Great Video :) ) When I heard u67 i said to myslef "solid midrange punch but i would like to hear more cymbals/ high end" It depends what you need of course but for me tlm102 sounds brighter and I like it :) And it also shows how you can manipulate the timbre wthout using eq. Thats what legendary engineers were doing in the past :D
Very interesting, thank you! The U67 sounds a little more real to me, but the TLM 102 is very close. The sounds are without EQ and without compression, right?
No EQ or compression was used in recording and mixing the drums. We did have to use a limiter at the mastering stage to get enough loudness for UA-cam. But this only affects loud peaks, e.g. from the snare.
Yeah, it sounds like they've mixed up the phases of the channels on the remote control. Cardboard, flat sound. It is not clear here why such a strange sound, whether the microphones were placed and recorded in such a way, or processed in the control room. The best option would be to post the raw audio from the recording. That every person could spin in normal quality and evaluate the sound. (I mean to compare all variants of recording: 3mic, XY, AB, ORTF, MultiMic from one installation, in one point of the room ).
2nd Mic is way too high for Glynn Johns Technique Capsule Should be 4”-12” above the Floor Tom height 4”-12” To the side of the Floor Tom Pointed at Snare Measuring Exact Distance is A Load Of Crap ! Just watch Glynn Johns Seminar He says it himself Very Simple, Put on a Pair of Closed Back Headphones Move the Lower Mic, In/Out & Up/Down till it sounds right, Use the phase reversal technique to dial your microphones phase Lower Mic Stays In-Phase Adjust the Top Mic for Listening for Peak Phase Drop, Restore In-Phase. Move the Kick Mic in Aligning for Peak Phase Drop, Restore In-phase. Obviously the Farther away the Microphones are, The more Bleed from other instruments & Room Ambience Too Close and you loose parts of the Drum Kit
Nice video. The only comment I'd make is the mic technique shown here looks more like a slightly modified Recorderman technique. The Glen Johns technique has the floor tom mic way lower than what's being shown here. Not trying to nitpick here but your demonstration could lead to confusion. Otherwise, great video, great sounds. Nicely done. Hope to see more of these videos.
Really great video. Good production, no fat, good and convincing sound.
I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near) by Michael McDonald. I know that groove!
That little TLM102 surprised me! Quite different, of course, but the high end was really smooth and pleasant.
In the video of Glyn demonstrating his technique he did place the mics much lower to the kit. Maybe at about 30 inches. But he wasn't picky about distance so long as the distance was roughly the same, and it sounded good. The other thing he emphasises is running good console preamps slightly hot (he worked with the Olympic 1, and disliked SSLs), with the master slightly cool. And I think that would result in a more in your face sound than in this recording. Because his goal was to capture the real sound the drummer was hearing, since he figured the drummer had worked out how to get the sound they wanted.
That finale of the video is...(home)sick! 😎🎶
very tight sound, always start with a good sounding room and great drummer!
Great drummer!
This is very meaningful and knowledgeable video
I already watched your many videos of recordings
Iam from India
I love your content..iam learning lots of things ❤
Love from India
That was great, thanks! Also, interesting video direction!
Love these videos. The TLM102s sounded great!
Fun video. Good job, guys.
Excellent vid guys! Thank you.
awsome as always
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Could you do an episode on how to properly record a Djembe too? And as an addition maybe the complete ensemble, Djembe (2 or 3 parts) Dundun, Sanban and Kenkeni plus their bells?
Thanks for the suggestion. We will discuss this with the content manager.😊
5:40...what I think? I think this drums groove is a Steve Gadd Drum Grove...check out into the video instructional tape "in Session"!
Love these videos. Interestingly, I place the left mic lower and behind the floor Tom instead, still equidistant from overhead mic. Will have to compare the two now!
Great Video :) ) When I heard u67 i said to myslef "solid midrange punch but i would like to hear more cymbals/ high end"
It depends what you need of course but for me tlm102 sounds brighter and I like it :)
And it also shows how you can manipulate the timbre wthout using eq. Thats what legendary engineers were doing in the past :D
What about preamps? What was used for this demo?
❤ any Neumann
Very interesting, thank you! The U67 sounds a little more real to me, but the TLM 102 is very close. The sounds are without EQ and without compression, right?
No EQ or compression was used in recording and mixing the drums. We did have to use a limiter at the mastering stage to get enough loudness for UA-cam. But this only affects loud peaks, e.g. from the snare.
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This is the "recorder man" technique , With a front mic acting as a close room position
Will this work with, say, two Sm81 and an AKG414 for the “center”?
Excellent tutorial and useful info about the inventor of this miking technique. Where do you source your valves for U67s?
I preferred the TLM. ❤
Yeah, it sounds like they've mixed up the phases of the channels on the remote control. Cardboard, flat sound.
It is not clear here why such a strange sound, whether the microphones were placed and recorded in such a way, or processed in the control room.
The best option would be to post the raw audio from the recording. That every person could spin in normal quality and evaluate the sound.
(I mean to compare all variants of recording: 3mic, XY, AB, ORTF, MultiMic from one installation, in one point of the room ).
The micing sounds great, but Yamaha Recording Customs sound like cardboard boxes when they are not close miced.
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Absolutely... All you have to do is magically pull $20-$30,000 worth of Neuman mics out of your ass.
only a $7800.000 microphone, the u67.
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2nd Mic is way too high for Glynn Johns Technique
Capsule Should be 4”-12” above the Floor Tom height
4”-12” To the side of the Floor Tom Pointed at Snare
Measuring Exact Distance is A Load Of Crap !
Just watch Glynn Johns Seminar He says it himself
Very Simple, Put on a Pair of Closed Back Headphones
Move the Lower Mic, In/Out & Up/Down till it sounds right,
Use the phase reversal technique to dial your microphones phase
Lower Mic Stays In-Phase
Adjust the Top Mic for Listening for Peak Phase Drop, Restore In-Phase.
Move the Kick Mic in Aligning for Peak Phase Drop, Restore In-phase.
Obviously the Farther away the Microphones are,
The more Bleed from other instruments & Room Ambience
Too Close and you loose parts of the Drum Kit
Tune correct the guitar.
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