Single hand skagit is where it's at man, real game changer. You are so right about the continuous motion and the tempo of the cast being the real key to it all. Keep up the good work Tim.
Good video! It also translates to how I use the OPST system in general, double- as well as single handed casting. You’re ‘drawing’ the D-loop rather than waiting for it to form, then launching it in a more or less continuous motion. This is where I went wrong when first trying these short lines, they’re very difficult to use if you make conscious pauses. “Trust your tempo” is a very good mantra! Well done.
I'm glad that you were able to articulate this. I have this problem with my 9'0" 6wt Echo Boost Salt 6wt with a 240gr scientific anglers micro spey line. I have to shoot the line right away instead of waiting for my anchor to settle. However, I don't have this issue with a 225gr commando head. I can let that anchor settle and launch it fine. I thought I was crazy until seeing this video! haha
12ft sink tip, 5ft head, or 12ft head 5ft sink tip, tomato/ clamato No white rat, personally i think i get a little more load that way, technically max load would be at the limit of surface tension, but its a very small window, probably hard to teach, at least my best guess as to why ed ward suggests tearing surface tension. Also fun cast, backwards poke 180 degrees behind, half moon forward *inside* of the fly to set up the cast. Key ideas A. Try always sweeping the full 180 degrees behind, break the rule "sweep to 4 o clock" b. Keep the line pulling in and away from the fly C. Fly more then a rods length in front Works really well for the type of casting your doing here, at least in my experience for what its worth. Best luck, tight loops!
14' salmon poly alone works well too. I used to fish Rio MOW floater tips and 6' Poly years before this whole micro spey craze. I wish someone made integrated 15' sinking scandi line. Would be killer for streamer fishing
Going to try and fish with out floating tip on a supper narrow creek, I plan on adding a 50lb mono about 3ft then a 1ft too 2ft 20lb mono tippet. I want to shorten things because of the locations I'm starting to fish
Hi Tim It's amazing how easily you launch. Could I use a floating skagit tip as a launcher head? For example, a 12ft 110gr 7.1g floating tip? My rod is 9.6" 7wt. What I mean is Just to directly connect the floating tip to the running line. I'm just starting out on this and I'm a bit lost. Thanks for your help. Greetings from Spain.
So enlightening. I've been toying around with Vision Hybrid heads on 5wt and 8wt single handers recently and waiting for the loop might be what's bugging me there. Do you have some insight on skagit head vs. tip length on single handed rods? Visions 200gr they recommend for #5 is 17' and I'm using a 60gr 7.5' tips with it. I get half decent cast off it but it definitely doesn't shoot out like yours here. Opst would condence the weight closer to rod tip in the cast. Comparing to Rio SHS line it has the "clump" even shorter. How do I make sense of this?
Ill start with the most controversial opinion, but i find the two line bump also applies to these skagit heads. Example opst reccomends 200gr for a 5wt, but that is with the expectation that you will still overhead cast at some point. it is also the standard aftma line weight for a 5wt. But if you really want to only spey cast with absolutely NO overhead cast, then over line, so for a 5wt 250gr. Two line bump is just an old rule of thumb for spey. Link at the bottom is the length of opst lines, anything 12ft to 13.5ft is intended for single hand rods, from 7ft all the way to 9.5ft I only use 5ft tips on all legth single handers But my liter (total length from end of fly line to the fly) is allways the *same* length as the *rod*, so the tempo hardly changes, another old spey trick Sincerely hope this helps, but just my findings, single hand skagit casting in the midwest gorgeflyshops.blogspot.com/2016/08/trout-spey-new-line-options.html?m=1
You are using a long system for the type of casting I was doing. I prefer chopping heads from old lines so whatever length tip I’m using combine with head length is twice the rod length or maybe a tad more, give or take. With those longer lines your best best might be a double Spey with a high slow sweep. The best thing I can say is practice and experiment,
@@smau990 with that long of Skagit head A shorter sink tip might be the ticket. Think outside the box. A 3 or 5 foot chunk of sink tip might work out real nice on such a long head. 250 is too heavy for my taste on a 5 weight.
Never did weigh it Joseph but probably around 70-80 grains I’m thinking….nothing to crazy, just wanted to see where my sink tip was going! Let me know it goes!
Yes, really any length should be fine. It is possible just to fish the sink tip without the shooting head too, kind of as a mini sunk head, I did that for a while recently, but couldn't see the sinktip well, so I used the skagit shorty for a sighter! worked slick!
Single hand skagit is where it's at man, real game changer. You are so right about the continuous motion and the tempo of the cast being the real key to it all. Keep up the good work Tim.
Right on! Thanks!
Good video! It also translates to how I use the OPST system in general, double- as well as single handed casting. You’re ‘drawing’ the D-loop rather than waiting for it to form, then launching it in a more or less continuous motion. This is where I went wrong when first trying these short lines, they’re very difficult to use if you make conscious pauses. “Trust your tempo” is a very good mantra! Well done.
I'm glad that you were able to articulate this. I have this problem with my 9'0" 6wt Echo Boost Salt 6wt with a 240gr scientific anglers micro spey line. I have to shoot the line right away instead of waiting for my anchor to settle. However, I don't have this issue with a 225gr commando head. I can let that anchor settle and launch it fine. I thought I was crazy until seeing this video! haha
Good on you for figuring this out. Happy I confirmed it for you. A flexible mindset is very helpful for all of this stuff!
12ft sink tip, 5ft head, or 12ft head 5ft sink tip, tomato/ clamato
No white rat, personally i think i get a little more load that way, technically max load would be at the limit of surface tension, but its a very small window, probably hard to teach, at least my best guess as to why ed ward suggests tearing surface tension.
Also fun cast, backwards poke 180 degrees behind, half moon forward *inside* of the fly to set up the cast.
Key ideas
A. Try always sweeping the full 180 degrees behind, break the rule "sweep to 4 o clock"
b. Keep the line pulling in and away from the fly
C. Fly more then a rods length in front
Works really well for the type of casting your doing here, at least in my experience for what its worth.
Best luck, tight loops!
Also get a glass rod man, they all cast with this kind of tempo! Got your name all over it!
14' salmon poly alone works well too. I used to fish Rio MOW floater tips and 6' Poly years before this whole micro spey craze. I wish someone made integrated 15' sinking scandi line. Would be killer for streamer fishing
Thanks again keep the vids coming. There fun to watch while I'm in a bad spot.
Thanks Phillip, I hope things turn around for you quickly!
Try casting that setup overhead where you have room. It'll go like a bomb.
Good point! I’ll have to do a video of that, thanks!
Its good to keep a open mind with this fly fishing.
Absolutely! Thanks for that!
Going to try and fish with out floating tip on a supper narrow creek, I plan on adding a 50lb mono about 3ft then a 1ft too 2ft 20lb mono tippet. I want to shorten things because of the locations I'm starting to fish
Let us know how it goes!
And you can give it a single haul on the forward stroke for more speed and distance! I have OPST, so so, Airflow mo better!
Absolutely! Thanks Lester!
Always enjoy your vids, nice location too.
How did you connect the OPST leader to your ‘Chunk’ of thicker line please.
I stripped the coating off the core and made a loop and double surgeon loop on running line, loop to loop handshake.
Hi Tim It's amazing how easily you launch.
Could I use a floating skagit tip as a launcher head? For example, a 12ft 110gr 7.1g floating tip?
My rod is 9.6" 7wt. What I mean is Just to directly connect the floating tip to the running line. I'm just starting out on this and I'm a bit lost. Thanks for your help. Greetings from Spain.
Absolutely!
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Thank you very much Tim. I will follow your advice. Good fishing friend.
Tim, what are you using for a sink tip T8?
What River are you fishing? That in the valley? I’m getting to hit the Metolius again next week.
No Tellum creek!. It’s a beating to wade and not much for fishing but It was cool up there!
It turns out the biggest scam in fly fishing is they’re selling us ninety feet of fly line when we only need six! Jokes aside, this is incredible!
lol! Thanks 🙏
So enlightening. I've been toying around with Vision Hybrid heads on 5wt and 8wt single handers recently and waiting for the loop might be what's bugging me there. Do you have some insight on skagit head vs. tip length on single handed rods? Visions 200gr they recommend for #5 is 17' and I'm using a 60gr 7.5' tips with it. I get half decent cast off it but it definitely doesn't shoot out like yours here. Opst would condence the weight closer to rod tip in the cast. Comparing to Rio SHS line it has the "clump" even shorter. How do I make sense of this?
Ill start with the most controversial opinion, but i find the two line bump also applies to these skagit heads.
Example opst reccomends 200gr for a 5wt, but that is with the expectation that you will still overhead cast at some point.
it is also the standard aftma line weight for a 5wt. But if you really want to only spey cast with absolutely NO overhead cast, then over line, so for a 5wt 250gr.
Two line bump is just an old rule of thumb for spey.
Link at the bottom is the length of opst lines, anything 12ft to 13.5ft is intended for single hand rods, from 7ft all the way to 9.5ft
I only use 5ft tips on all legth single handers
But my liter (total length from end of fly line to the fly) is allways the *same* length as the *rod*, so the tempo hardly changes, another old spey trick
Sincerely hope this helps, but just my findings, single hand skagit casting in the midwest
gorgeflyshops.blogspot.com/2016/08/trout-spey-new-line-options.html?m=1
You are using a long system for the type of casting I was doing. I prefer chopping heads from old lines so whatever length tip I’m using combine with head length is twice the rod length or maybe a tad more, give or take. With those longer lines your best best might be a double Spey with a high slow sweep. The best thing I can say is practice and experiment,
@@omnicrutch thanks for sharing!
RIght, I'll start from the longer leader first. I don't think heavier head is the solution as 200gr on 9' #5 already feels like swinging a brick.
@@smau990 with that long of Skagit head A shorter sink tip might be the ticket. Think outside the box. A 3 or 5 foot chunk of sink tip might work out real nice on such a long head. 250 is too heavy for my taste on a 5 weight.
What's the grain wt on that short head Tim?
I have a 4wt rod waiting to go with your set up for peacock bass.
Never did weigh it Joseph but probably around 70-80 grains I’m thinking….nothing to crazy, just wanted to see where my sink tip was going! Let me know it goes!
@@LineSpeedJediTimRawlins thanks Tim. I'll give it a go soon.
Espetáculo de video, não consigo fica ser assistir seus vídeos,para uma vara #6 SH ,quantos grains vc indicaria ?
200 to 225
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Nice Tim!! I've been using a 9ft 6in 6wt. with 250gr. OPST head and it's working great!!
Great to hear it big Ron! Thanks for weighing in brother.
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@@LineSpeedJediTimRawlins Oh! Good ol Chevy Chase! That movie had me ROFLing! 🤣🤣🤣
Hi Tim , I have some old skagit heads. Do you cut them from the back or from the front to make these ultra short heads? Nice vid anyway.
I usually nip off the front end especially if it is skinny, for turning over sink tips and big flies
Will that setup work with a 10 foot floating head too?
Yes, really any length should be fine. It is possible just to fish the sink tip without the shooting head too, kind of as a mini sunk head, I did that for a while recently, but couldn't see the sinktip well, so I used the skagit shorty for a sighter! worked slick!
Call it an OPST Short. I'm making one up right now.
absolutely! go for it! way to think outside the box with me
@@LineSpeedJediTimRawlins what size sink tip should I use on a 5 weight rod? I've got 10 ft. of S3 #6. Will that work or should I go heavier?