I think that Infusion would work as follow up attacks. When other units basic attack with the infusion active, it would do a follow-up attack of the infused element and the dmg would be scaled by the basic attack damage.
@@khaiideharaKafka doesn't restrict team-building nearly as much as Nilou, she only needs 1 other DOT-focused Nihility. That comparison isn't even that good, it's like saying Itto would be Nihility because he wants at least 3 Geos.
@@oliviaaargh Itto is a bad comparison since its Gorou who buffs Itto that needs 3 Geo for max damage. Itto works without gorou, before i got Gorou i used Itto with Bennet, Ninguang, Mona.
i think nihility is more than just debuffs, it’s also DoT kinda like the bloom dps like nilou or yoimiya’s burst, maybe that’s why there was such a lack of nihility characters in your list :’(
Because to me I can interpret Seele's as slashing through one target multiple times with precision where as the Phoenix is a big fat bird slamming into the ground. That would 100% cause some AoE of some kind, but does not.
One of the standard banner 5* in the game actually has a cosmic Venti kit, he blackholes enemies. And yes he's Nihility. Though he's also the equivalent of the light element.
*Me when Klee isn't Destruction:* Ratheil, dear, you know Hook is a Character, right?? Hook is basically the Klee of HSR, if we were to convert Klee's kit into HSR, Hook's kit is very VERY close to be that. She deals more dmg to enemies inflicted by burn (which is similar to Klee's.... Bombs, since... You know...) and she is single target, which imo is similar to Klee more than any Erudition characters. Erudition are for those who has high intellect, precise and sensible. Klee is very smart, don't get me wrong, but just her personality and over all story is more similar to Destruction than ever.
IDK if this is relevant but character personality or backstory doesn't related that much to their "Paths", unlike Genshin with its "Vision" (great example of this is Clara). Only their general playstyle affects their path, so she can't be a Destruction path due to her squishiness. And if you wanna go that route of Hook is HSR's Klee, then Klee should be The Hunt.
@@mrcy9307 wdym not retaled to paths? most characters do represent their path, even if they say opposite (e.g. jing yuan saying he's the hunt follower, but his life views are more of erudition). what makes you think they are unrelated?
@@mrcy9307 One big issue to the whole paths is that the paths we have in game aren't related to the actual paths that the characters believe in for example: Arlan, while the game says he's a destruction unit, at heart he wants to preserve the people on the space station, and protect them so it makes sense that his ACTUAL PATH is Preservation. This is the same for Clara, while the game states that she's destruction, she could very well be closer related to Erudition (due to her preference in knowledge, intelligence, and over all knowing things), or Preservation (she wants to help, and protect people). Another example is March 7th, the game states that she's preservation while yes she DOES want to preserve things in the moment and such that, but we've clearly seen in the game that she's closer related to the Trailblaze, or Fuli, the remembrance. Then there's actual characters that actually follow the path they are on in the combat system, like Gepard, Herta, Yanqing, etc.
Noelle's definitely Destruction. Just a tanky, self-sufficient bruiser with good AoE. A bit like a better Blade? With a Shield instead of consuming own HP.
Trailblazer Preservation on background: Like really,by Star Rail standarts noelle would have shield skill with aggro and single high damage swipe dealing AOE damage . -.
My thoughts as well. Noelle "does everything", since she has shielding, healing, crowd control (slapping everything with a room sized sword is crowd control) and damage. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the energy generation to do all of that on her own (and geo doesn't have damaging reactions). So... I honestly think she would translate really well as a destruction character with defence/shield scaling (perhaps boosting her aggro during sweeping time). Or we go into lunatic land and she's a "battle" Abundance character, who scales off of defence. I'm not sure how to translate needing to rely on teammates for energy though.
While most players that play Lisa use her for the DEF shred, as well as being a catalyst user that can equip Thrilling Tales, her massive skill range and damage scaling, which rivals Zhongli's burst scaling, makes her better suited for Erudition. That's basically the textbook definition of an Erudition character. She'd pretty much be a Serval 2.0, but more emphasis on damage with a side of DEF shred.
A good deciding factor for a lot of these probably would’ve been to factor in lore. Albedo for example has a good case for being Erudition plus all of his damage is Aoe based
Since DOT isn't really a thing in Genshin, I would turn off-field damage (not a thing in Star Rail) into DOT damage, if I were to make this ranking (so Xq, Yelan would be Nihility). This way Nihility wouldn't be as empty, and the difference between on- and off-field damage is kept, which is rather important in Genshin
Xingqiu and Yelan could be less about DoT's and more about followup attacks. We already have a character that does a followup attack after another ally uses a Basic Attack in Kafka. Just... build a character around that, and you get Xingqiu and Yelan? In this case, they don't necessarily have to be Nihility. Could be any path really, besides Abundance.
@@RatheilThen maybe have a little bit more thought into decisions such as lore and the fact that people of other roles can perform other roles, like how fu xuan (spoilers making this basic) is preservation yet can buff and heal like abundance and harmony
Uh excuse me, Bennett in Abundance???? He could have no healing and we'd still be trying to make those teams work with no survivability, this dude defines Harmony
@@rossalbertdelacruz6751 Luocha has a bit of debuffing but you don't put him in the team primarily for that, you put him in because he has great healing. Bennett's arguably mainly there for the attack buff. The healing is what pushes him over the edge to being near-universal and he'd have a fairly large opportunity cost if you didn't have it but he'd still be good. Bennett just as a healer would be very mid. Ergo he's primarily a buffer.
IMO, Kazuha should be Nihility more than harmony, because he's focused around spreading different elements for reactions and such. If he was an HSR character, I think it'd be interesting if he could spread DOT procs from enemy to enemy.
@@oliviaaargh that’s fair, though in the case of Kazuha that’s his main specialty, whereas other characters such as Xiao, Jean, or Wanderer, while still having the capacity to do it, either don’t focus on it as much, or utilize it with a more damage oriented approach rather than a supportive one that purely focuses on the spread.
i see what you are saying but when we pick kazuha people mostly use him more for his buffs, kinda like asta, she have some DOT on her but still is armony. this idea is good for nilou or kaveh.
@@aries-zn6xe the only buff in his kit is the EM stat buff upon swirl reaction to all allies which is the equivalent of HSR’s EHR in terms of mechanics. Meanwhile, the resistance shred most people use him for because of his efficient application of it is rather a part of the VV set. Either way, he buffs elemental damage directly done to enemies much like a Nihility unit would with DOT, but with the introduction of Fu Xuan soon, a quantum preservation unit who not only scales off HP but also heals, we’ll definitely receive more units with capabilities that extend beyond their path’s main focus, so a mix of both Nihility and Harmony would be interesting.
A weird take I see is Sucrose having a similar kit with Sampo if she's without the EM buffing. Her kit just does lots of anemo damage and I see that as something like a wind shear stuff. So for me she may be Nihility.
also crowd control can be interpreted as making enemies take damage from ST attacks not targeted at them (making every st attack semi-aoe like desctruction bursts)
I think characters that give infusions like Candace and Chongyun could make it so all teammates' basic attack will deal damage from another element For example put Seele and Chongyun in the same team, if Chongyun uses his skill Seele's basic attack now deals Ice Damage and will be effective against Ice Toughness instead of Quantum Actually I think this would be a really good idea for a future character in the game
Chongyun, a Harmony Silver Wolf, that's exactly what I was thinking. He basically needs little change in his kit. He'd just only be a lot more limited in usage than her. Silver Wolf can apply any weaknesses on an enemy, Chongyun could only add ice.
I would argue Sara is harmony on the account on Yukong dealing a LOT of single target damage with her burst (iirc she has better scaling that Sushang) while buffing 1 element to turbo levels
I feel like eula fits the destruction path more , especially cuz the majority of destruction unites in hsr have big aoe dmg with tankiness like eula does
In HSR I see the paths more focus in the lore and personality, and THEM the gampley is create around that. That is how I imagined this list in the Frist min of the video...but, well, we got this video
I'd say any (or at least) Venti's crowd control can be considered a nihility debuff that makes the enemies take part of the damage from the ST attack (making every ST attack work like many destruction bursts - mostly ST with a bit of AoE)
I feel like Yelan is more of a Destruction character- Destruction characters can be either purely AoE or Single Target DPSes as well as being extremely tanky with high HP.
“What to do with Noelle” Me: Easy! “Limit her healing to herself instead of the party” Yep, like Blade’s healing “Limit her shielding to just her self and increase her own aggro” Yep, like Clara “This would make her a…” Destruction! “…preservation character” Huh? Like, damage dealers that tank and have a good balance of AoE and Single target damage, that’s Noelle’s thing man!
The way I interpreted it was she kind of feels like Gepard. Both have shields, both transform their defence in to attack. But I can certainly see your point about potentially being destruction. But I don't think that fits Noelle's personality.
I think Destruction still can fit her, just like how she has geo vision dilemma, even if it goes against her personality. Preservation also can fit, but at the same time it feels like Noelle having an anemo vision. but Preservation also fit because of her shield, and AoE geo attack can make a lot of crystalize and improve shield uptime from ascension talent. but Destruction also fit because of her kit, tanky alone, and how she plays. *pains of confusion*
@@Blackoutdmc personality really shouldn’t have a say in this, Clara should not be a Destruction character, neither should Imbibitor Lunae or regular Dan Heng be DPSes since they both say “I have no interest in conflict”, hell most of the Nihility characters are quite lively for being…nihilistic
lowkey dropped the ball on klee not being destruction. she has single target, but also aoe, just like you said, so i think she'd be a natural fit in destruction where most characters are doing that
I... well this is pretty weird Dehya definitely a preservation. There is character on Star Rail (coming soon), which do same exact thing as Dehya. Fu Xuan. Fu Xuan is what Dehya could be if genshin dev put the number correctly. She can mitigate damage, she can heal herself too But Fu Xuan actually have good number on her kit, and good damage on ultimate
y'know, if thoma was a star rail character im sure hed be waaay better than how he is in genshin. i can see him working with someone like qingque. i mean like, a shield stacking every basic attack in a game where youre guaranteed to get hit no matter what is actually pretty decent
All defensive characters would be way better in HSR than Genshin. Imagine using Zhongli's skill and you instantly get a strong shield for all allies for 3 turns. It's just the nature of an action RPG vs turn-based
@@Ivy-jq6di yupyup. i just thought it would be worth mentioning the 'worst' shielder and his unfortunate fate, haha 😂 and really, alot of genshin's characters' kits would feel way so much more fulfilling in a turnbased setting
Recreate, or continue this, after 5.0, for Fontainian characters... Also, i think Noelle is a Destruction character. Just lower the damage, make her shield become that she protect herself, but able to heal party member slightly, and increase her energy need, and she is the perfect Destruction character we need, that in contrast to Jingliu. Here is my list fir fontainian character for now: Charlotte: easy Abundance, or you could put her into Nihility if the DoT effect is what we looking for. Lynette: Destruction, or Nihility if you looking for the Taunt, or Erudition if you looking for tge AoE damage from her burst/ult. Lyney: Destruction or Hunt Freminet: Hunt Neuvillette: Erudition Wriothesley: Hunt Furina: Easy Harmony Navia: Erudition. Because her gun shots shotgun. Chevreuse: Harmony.
Ngl Shogun I feel like would be Nihility because of her e being off field damage similar to DoT which is her main use along side being a dps. Also acheron is 1. a raiden expy and 2. is a nihility dps
@@omarbirkdar5536 yukong does a pretty solid damage in her basic attack, and ultimate. Bronya basic attack got 100% crit rate from her trace, opening up for a dps or sub dps (e4) build potential (building her as a support is still better tho).
@@arcofhell even with a sub dps build i wouldn't really say they reach the damage of a main dps which raiden is, just because they can do damage, doesnt mean that they are in the boat as dps units
I feel Ayato would be more in line erudition than destruction since he has multi target aoe capabilities + he’s logical/strategic like the erudition characters in hsr
Hot take yae miko is a nihility character for her seshou Sakuras and she'll work like this skill 3 times trigger passive where it's a bounce ability then her ult is the same and if an enemy is affected they take dot damage
I think for characters like Candance and Chongyun (or c6 Bennett), their infusion is closest to Silver Wolf and implanting a weakness (If the enemy isn't weak to wind, quantum, etc. but Is weak to ice, Chongyun would circumvent the dps' element coverage). I think other similar abilities to Silver Wolf's skill could exist in star rail without her losing what makes her so powerful. So maybe some of those characters could fit more into Nihility!
Yelan in Harmony? Harmony is for buffers, not sub dps. She's definitely destruction, being able to tank + does good damage. Destruction theoretically needs to have multi target but look at Hook.. Yelan does AOE on skill + ult activation so it's enough. Keqing: Honestly her burst looks so much like Seele's it's extremely justifiable to put her as hunt Klee in Hunt? Klee in Hunt? Meanwhile Klee's trailer: AOE PYRO DAMAGE Rosaria fits well for Nihility tbh.. Her ult has DoT elements and she shreds physical so. Kaveh.. Kaveh is like this SU blessing. "Every time an enemy takes DMG from a DoT, all allies restore HP equal to 1.0% of their respective Max HP. " Also bloom and DoT are compared a lot lol. His skill is analogous to Kafka's basically
I ageee with everything besides yelan, she actually gives substantial buffs maybe she could have follow up attacks, so either erudition or harmony works imo
such a cool and creative vid as always! although i would put nilou in the nihility path only because she's kinda like kafka in a way that enhances dot damage
Ningguang is single Target in the same way Tighnari is. Yes they hit multiple opponents, but it’s from individual hits and not a giant blast attack like Eula’s burst
I think Noelle as a Preservation character just FEELS right. Her character has always been about protecting and serving others. And I know we all used her as such when we started out and some of us are still using her myself included. She is our shield.
I feel like Xingqiu would have an argument of being in preservation since another note worthy part of his kit is his damage reduction with his skill and ult which helps keep his teammates alive a bit longer Also Xiao is definitely more erudition cause he’s definitely more on the squishier side without any form of sustainability, and his entire kit screams comically large AOE while destruction usually targets up to 3 with both their skill and ults
When it comes to classifying Genshin characters, especially those with vague kits with respect to Star Rail Paths, I'd like to consider their personalities as well. Such as Albedo - he may pass for a Harmony from his EM buff and is a respectable sub-DPS from his AoE skill. He's also basically a synthetic person and a smart guy and all, so personally I'd put him in Erudition.
I agree with most of this list, there are a few units I think should be in different paths, here are my personal thoughts: Nahida, Erudition. Since she links enemies together to periodically deal damage all at once, and the path is literally all about gathering and preserving knowledge, Erudition should be a no-brainer for her. Her debuffing isnt really a thing until c2. Eula, Destruction, maybe Hunt. I think she would be better off in either of those two paths than Erudition because her playstyle entails whaling on enemies until they either die from her normals/skills, or until they inevitability get obliterated by the ult she's been charging up. She specifically perfers tanky single target enemies than squishy, spead-out mobs because she can make the most of her kit with the former. Klee, Destruction. Dunno what happend there. Gorou, Preservation. Gorou's kit is centered around increasing his team mates defence stat. What his team mates do with that extra defence is up to them. Rosaria, Nihility. I say this because like you mention she does have some debuffing capabilities, including freeze potential, while also having some team buffing, and personal damage. Feels like Pela. Either that or hunt because of her stalkerish tendancies, and fast swift gameplay. Kujou Sara, Harmony. She feels very similar to Yukong. Short, but powerful buffs, while boasting impressive damaging ultimates.
I really hope in future, Honkai Star Rail would open a new playable path. For example the Simulated Universe path, Elation where all the character focus on doing follow up attack. If that's the case, clearly Yelan and Xingqiu will be on Path of Elation.
@@liliya_aseeva well, that's not really true tho. If we consider their entire kit they are indeed still Erudition. Just because they have follow-up attack doesn't mean they have to be Elation. Just like Serval and Hook. They both have the abilities to apply DoT but they are not Nihility because in order to become one they need to apply some debuff related to DoT like Sampo. Another example is Silver Wolf, all of her attack is single targer but on top of having low scaling, her playstle focused more on applying bug to enemy. Now in Herta and Himeko case they have follow-up attack but their playstyle focus is more on attacking multiple enemy at once rather than centered on doing follow-up attack. It's not wrong that you assumed that's what I meant. I probably should clarify that first. Himeko and Herta's follow up attacks are AOE so having a path that focuses on single target follow up attack would be nice.
As a Healing Enthusiast, I MUST convince you that Mika belongs in Abundance. Mika’s Healing Mechanic is that every time your active character hits an enemy, they will receive healing. Mika is built to make attack speed faster, which means, even more healing. Mika’s Burst also delivers a lot of healing to the party instantly, and then continues to heal a singular unit.
i think chongyun shouldve been maybe destruction. his E could give him an enhanced basic attack which could do blast damage since hes a claymore, and his burst could also be blast damage. you could also argue he could be erudition and that would also make sense.
I think Sucrose, Hu Tao, Tartaglia, and Yae Miko should be Nihility. I feel like Sucrose would lean towards a Silver Wolf type of character. She’s very good at applying elements, so being a weakness break character would make sense for her. Hu Tao and Tartaglia sound like a strange picks, but Nihility characters can be DPS’ too, so I’d choose them as the Nihility DPS characters. They’d both be DoT characters, increases their DoT DMG with Blood Blossom and Riptide. Hu Tao would be healed when opponents are dealt DoT DMG, decreasing her HP when applying Blood Blossom. Tartaglia would be similar to Kafka where he can trigger DoT’s by attacking the opponents with riptide. Yae seems more like the Nihility type. Especially because The Raiden Shogun is also an Erudition character, it’d make a pretty weird power dynamic otherwise. Yae’s totems would deal additional damage alongside other allies attacks, and would decrease their Effect RES because she would strike fear among her opponents. Idk, but I don’t like the thought of having 2 Iightning Erudition 5 stars that would probably get released at around the same time. Also I think Yelan should be The Hunt because her DPS capabilities outweigh her supportive ones. I think her supportive abilities would just be kept to herself.
@@Blackoutdmc I don’t think consuming their own HP should be confined to Destruction. While she does want to take damage, I think if her special DoTs did damage to herself as well for her it’d make her less than 50% HP talent buff still viable. Plus it evens things out more and suits her character more.
I think that Lisa should've been nihility because of her defense shred with her A4, her burst is really only used for that and for the electro application and it is the aspect of her that is most valued due to the nature of her skill taking 4 years to charge up lol. great list aside from that : )
I feel like Nihility is an honorary damage path, (Welt, DoT characters, and Silver Wolf to an extent) so, I believe people like Nilou should be Nihility. (She’s kinda like the Kafka for blooms if you think about it). Also, I also feel like that Destruction can be more of a “in-between of complete AoE and complete single target and not just loose hp” sometimes. Hook and Physical Trailblazer (idk I don’t play Physical Trailblazer enough to know their kit).
Phys TB and Hook both have aspects of their kits that offer them some self sustain as well as being all-rounder DMG types. It's not just about losing HP/AoE but all of the destruction characters have something that make them a little more durable than your average Hunt or Erudition.
To me, Nilou can be Destruction or Erudition. She can burst down enemies with her skills and basic attack. If I put her at Destruction category, she will be like Blade. Her skill is enhanced and attacks an enemy with the adjacent target like Blade If I put her at Erudition, she would twirl and wing at her enemies in her skill And both if her Ultimate, will be AOE burst. And she would say, "All eyes on me!" then BOOM!
It was such a missed opportunity to not put cyno in erudition because him and jing yuan because you know same va both electro both are general also I think nilou is a dot characters so nihility
I would've put Venti in nihility but not for the reasons you said, even if it does make sense. It's because the ticks of his burst are DoT, and almost all of the heavily DoT HSR characters happen to be nihility (Kafka, Sampo, now Luka). And I'm not making this up, if you look at Venti's multipliers in his kit they literally calls the anemo ticks % just "DoT". And the elemental/swirl dmg is just as DoT. So even if he's just C0 like most Ventis are, the VV shred and the big suck are absolutely some huge nihility shit. Of course, then you realize that the other CC anemos aka Sucrose and Kazuha also do DoT, but the buffs are more important for most players than the dmg in their case so they do stay in harmony for sure (unless you play DPS Kazuha or taser driver Sucrose, but that's not their intended use by the devs lol)
I would personally have leaned the bloom and reaction-based characters towards nihility as well as Fischl with turning those systems into damage over time. I would also put Beidou and Candace into preservation and included a taunt to the shield/parry system similar to what March 7th already does. But overall, I think it was a very good list and a good take on the conversion
Lisa is 100% Nihility. Her damage output isn't high even with Dendro, but her Burst debuffs enemy Def by like 40% with her second passive, which is really fucking good.
Albedo suits more into Erudition imo, he's a sub dps in genshin with quadratic scaling (like Ganyu) and barely gets used for his buffing capabilities. He could work more like follow up attacks similar to Kafka that affect all the enemies within his field, bigger damage to 1 or 2 targets and splash damage to the others assuming 3+, his burst first hit also hits everyone but the seven splashes could be kept random if they remain as 7 hits. Being erudition wouldn't exclude him to have some harmony capabilities in his kit tho like Serval playing with DoTs, Luocha having 4 paths at higher eidolons (abundance, preservation, harmony and nihility) and Yukong having sub dps potential in ST despite her being harmony. Noelle suits perfectly into destruction path. Xingqiu could be destruction too if you only wanna count for his rainswords sustain, light healing and ST damage. Other option is being hunt. Problem is that in HSR we would need to see Xingqiu as if we were playing in coop because that's how his kit would look like at base, unless it'd be adjusted to affect every party character in a HSR setting.
Based on both lore and gameplay, I’d say: Albedo: Erudition (lore + gameplay. His burst is an AoE, guys) Noelle: Destruction (lore, as she’s reckless af) Klee: Destruction (y’all know why) Baizhu: Abundance cuz of course he is Venti: Nihility (lore = drunkard, gameplay = summons a f*cking black hole) Nahida: Erudition/Harmony (I’m hesitating) Nilou: Nihility (lore wise dance isn’t really what Sumeru ppl consider useful; gameplay wise her bloom mechanic looks like DoT) Zhongli = Gepard but summons shields with his skill instead so y’know where he’s going Lisa: Nihility (lore + gameplay, she’s real lazy + DEF shred) Ayato: Preservation (lore wise, and only lore wise) Diluc: Hunt (very lore wise) Ei: Hunt (remember her obsession with eternity?) Childe: Destruction/Preservation (1st one is based on gameplay, 2nd is based on lore, as he’s always trying to protect) Kaeya: Nihility (his icicles might just apply freeze debuff HSR gameplay wise cuz he’s real efficient in that in my account) Dori: Nihility of F*CKING COURSE Bennett: Harmony (his burst sirs?) Wanderer: Destruction (his lore, c’mon guys) Dehya: Preservation (lore + gameplay) Can’t think of anything else 😅
The card game character mechanics actually help, because it helps that they turned their abilities in turn based abilities so it's easier to define who is in which path
I’ve actually started taking this a step forward, making kits for a few, although they’re different then how they play in Genshin, fitting more to the lore and characterization than ingame playstyle for Genshin
I think that not just their in-game kits, but character's path is also owed to their character's personality, philosophy, role in the story, etc. So I wish that part of characterization was considered more in deciding their paths. I can't go in every one I disagree with, but I've got a couple of examples. For Klee. She's chaotic, powerful and explosion-maniac. She's walks the path of Destruction. For Nahida, imo she doesn't fit in nihility. She has a bright, optimistic personality, quite the opposite of a nihilist. And her kit above all things enables reactions. She facilitates other characters to shine. She's harmony. One could argue that for character she'd be an Erudition because she's the God of knowledge. I'd argue no. It's the point of the archon quest. The sages want an intelligent god, Nahida is a wise god. Not to say that she's not intelligent but she definitely favors positivity, dreams and wisdom. Rosaria is Nihility imo. Her attitude and vibe scream nihilist. But other than the literal interpretation, HSR Nihility characters have an air of mystery, dark past, or down right shady. And for the nihility path, since Genshin doesn't a dedicated role or even archetype of debuffer, has to rely even more on this characterization idea. Especially for characters that have kits that don't necessarily translate to an HSR party's role. You had trouble with some of these because you didn't consider their personality/characterization. Something like Albedo, he has a mysterious past. He's an alchemist, which not entirely science and not entirely magic. Very occult stuff. So yeah, Nihility! He transmutes objects, if he were ported to HSR, he could do what Silverwolf does. He could transmute enemy's weaknesses. Another Nihility character is Chongyun. He'd be Rememberance, if that path's playable. But for the most part yeah. In genshin, he infuses cryo. But in hsr, he could give the enemies a cryo weakness (it could be op for a 4star, but we're talking hypotheticals here). There's a bunch of ice weakness manipulation in the Remembrance path in Sim Universe, so yeah he coule probably do that. He's an exorcist, so that element of the scary and the occult is still there. He's all about that yang energy tho we rarely see him actually burst. So yeah his characterization also fits.
nilou is definitely nihility think of Kafka and Sampo they both use dot dmg which is kinda like Starrail's reactions nilou would do something like that but with freeze or ignite
Please do a version trailer tierlist. You have not uploaded any of these in a long time and I think this video will capture the attention of most people
I would probably take the idea one step further and try to match them each to an element in HSR (I'd give traveler imaginary and the void sibling Quantum)(I'd also probably consider the archons as equivalent to aeons and as such give them each a path (the path of eternity, contracts, freedom (trailblazer skin)
Now thanks to topaz being an example, albedo might be an option for the hunt, e havin a follow up atk bufffing certain characteristics for the character etc. Also chongyun has the cryo res shred on his passives, he could be debuff it just like Pela does with defense, as for infusion, it could be a fua.
i think albedo would fit into erudition more bcs its all aoe damage, its ''follow-up attacks'' like herta and also fits his character. also think even tho shenhe leans a bit more into harmony aspects, nihility would fit her way better
maboi chongus is a destruction when you ignore his application (cuz it's given that u only deal one type of damge so he's like, perpetually using his skill on himself). for one, his ult is a big number damage, pretty much like how destruction characters in hsr have skills that have adjacent-main-adjacent skills/ults. and his every three hits on c1 is that as well. he can buff himself much like blade when using e if he's on hsr
I did this a while back, not thinking about their kit but rather about their character and personality For example rosaria is a nihility character as she slacks off all the time, or yoimiya is a harmony character because she is a peacemaker and gets along with everyone etc.
I think thematically, its important to note that all erudition characters are intellectually inclinced as the Aeon of Erudition is Nous - someone who values knowledge. Nahida is a character who specifically wants you to be targeting and grouping enemies, and while she does buff and debuff them, I believe it would make more sense if Nahida was an Erudition character thematically
For infusion characters, you could take some inspiration from Tingyun!! Whenever she buffs a character, they deal additional lightning damage regardless of their element
While I know it's not considered as a debuff in Genshin, some Nihility characters do DOT instead of shresding defnese. Nilou and Kafka essentially have the same kit, as bloom and dot take a bit of time to trigger and both have the ability to trigger them instantaneously while enhancing their damage. I believe Nilou and Kaveh could be classed as Nihility characters
I think Childe fits more into the Nihility path because Riptide feels a lot like a DoT. If his skill would apply DoT, his burst would trigger it, a lot like how Kafka operates.
I cant be the only on who disagrees with most of this list right? Eula being erudition just because she has High AOE on her burst is kinda weird , she is mainly a single target boss killer since her ult is barely the only aoe in her kit and its not used for killing small mobs as it does too much damage to be used this way. I'd give her hunt but i'm pretty sure she should be a destruction character since she gets defense stacks on her skill and stays on the field most of the time.
Its not like Genshin has bad debuffers, its just their other abilities are better than their debuffing. For example, Zhongli's pillars shreds the resistance of all elements by 20% but he cant go into Nihility because he is the God of shields literally.Lisa and Raiden are two example of characters that shred resistance with their cons but they are just better Aoe electro apllicators than debuffers. Last is every Anemo character, their swirl shred with VV makes them a typical debuffer but technically since its not part of their "kit" we cant call them that even tho their entire purpose is that in a team.
Crazy idea to implement Venti’s grouping into Star Rail, he could make all enemies speed match, preferably match the lowest speed, so their turns all get clumped together Is that clumping useful in a game like star rail? No idea, but aoe speed down sounds good
I remember making a reddit post about this a while ago, a good amount of these characters are definitely varied in their possible paths, so its cool to see where you put some of these characters.
I think youtube reads my mind... resently I thought what weapon HSR characters will have in genshin, and this is what youtube recommended me the same day
I actually went through and tried merging the break system and elemental reactions into Genshin's elements, haven't done them for star rail exclusive elements How the elemental reactions would work was mostly on break effects Like what would happen if a wind/Anemo broken enemy would react to Geo attacks, yes I made this myself Took 2 UA-cam community posts to be able to fit the whole thing
Oh, i thought on a posible kit for a Destruction path Xiao, Basic Atk: Does a similar movement as his charged attack, but only deals damage to one enemy. As for talent he could possibly do something like Seele and turn invisible or something similar, or it could be a buff (IL Dan Heng/Jingliu). Skill: Slashes through enemies dealing wind damage (kinda like his elemental skill) Burst would be an auto buff, does not deal damage but gives him karmic debt points (Jingliu-like) with those points he gets an enhanced basic atk (he now does his plunge attack), using it consumes karmic points and does a great aoe damage to enemies, one way to get back his karmic points would be defeating an enemy, that would prolonge his enhanced atk duration.
Most of these seem right but I would put Yanfei in destruction due to being able to do pretty good aoe damage and single target damage plus at c4 she gets a shield. Also while I under Klee not beign destruction kit wise you can't tell me Klee isn't destruction
This was fun but the paths function as philosophies that characters follow, so maybe you can do a follow up to this but now based on their personalities and ideals.
I feel like noelle could make a very intresting destruction character, being a self suficient dps who could scale on defensive stats , or maybe a preservation or abundance dps (doesen't make much sense but its still a intreating thought)
Infusions can work well outside of being too good, just like genshin give individual or party what ever amout of turns/attacks to do infused element instead
Personally I don’t think Xinyan’s shield is a big enough part of her kit to put her in preservation. The main thing I and most other people I see play her use it for is just a little bit of energy. Take out the part where it shields her and she’d be a pretty standard destruction character.
Worth noting that star rail characters are often not purists of their paths. Preservation, abundance, and harmony can often do things from other support paths. We also have some very misplaced characters, like Topaz, who is basically a nihility character, but officially is a hunt character.
I literally had this thought since launch,thank you so much. Oh hey that rhymed. Also I think Kaveh is similar to Kafka,they both force their own respective DoT to activate. In TCG,Blooms are a debuff after all.
I don't know if you or other content creators did this but I suggest you also try ranking the namecards of genshin characters like how you rank their animation and splash art.
I want to mention how I would give each path to these characters I felt like would work. Here is my list for these few (note I would not count for the Traveler since they are like the Trailblazer): - Starting of with Klee, she would be a Fire character following the path of Destruction. This is quite obvious and suitable considering that she is an on-field DPS. While her basic attack and skill attack would be similar to her playstyle in Genshin (with the skill being AoE), her ultimate would act similar to that of Clara/Hook by causing AoE fire damage upon activation, and buffing her damage, which will apply additional fire damage when using either her basic or skill during a set number of turns. - With Yae Miko, I would make her a Lightning character following the path of Nihility. I know what you all are going to say, "why not Harmony or Erudition?", well I thought about it before deciding that Nihility would suit Miko the best due to her being an off-field DPS, meaning she is going to benefit a lot through DoTs like Kafka (yes, Kafka is partially the reason why Miko is Nihilty). Miko's playstyle would be the same with three basic attacks while her skill would be like her charged attack, creating burst damage. Every time she attacks with her skill, Miko creates up to three Sesshou Sakura that continuously cause Lightning damage for a set number of turns. Her ultimate would be the same as her Genshin Burst, applying AoE Lightning damage on enemies. Additionally, if the Sakuras are active, Miko's ultimate would cause additional follow-up damage, like Jing Yuan's talent in battle. This would also cause the DoT to activate and spread. - Shenhe would become an Ice character following the path of Harmony. Shenhe's playstyle would cause the party to apply ice damage to the enemy every time her skill was used. Her ultimate would cause AoE Ice Damage. I had to watch Shenhe's collected miscellany to understand her playstyle as by the time I created this comment, I don't have Shenhe in my Genshin account. While Shenhe's playstyle would be kind of Nihility, it's technically Harmony since she's just allowing the characters to deal ice damage rather then Shenhe dealing ice damage herself. - Cyno would be like Jing Yuan, basically a Lightning Character following the path of Erudition. And this is not because they are voiced by Alejandro Saab and their similarities in lore. It's just that you cannot deny that they can deal AoE Lighting Damage, though Cyno's ultimate would be like the Destruction Trailblazer's Ultimate, basically like a power-up dealing greater damage. These are the characters I could think of if they were playable in Honkai: Star Rail. The rest were difficult since only 4 of the 7 elements in Genshin were present in Star Rail and Star Rail uses the same elements from Honkai Impact 3rd with the addition of Imaginary and Quantum. I mean Physical is technically in Genshin but that is only when you use characters specialising in Physical damage. What do you guys think? Do you agree? If not entirely, mention what could be changed.
Fun way for Venti’s ult in Hsr: make it so that when he activates ult, every enemy gets a debuff where they will take a % of dmg dealt to any enemies with the debuff.
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I forgot to mention elements, most have 1:1 versions in HSR so I really didn't think that was even worth mentioning.
Maybe Dain would be quantum 😂
I think that Infusion would work as follow up attacks. When other units basic attack with the infusion active, it would do a follow-up attack of the infused element and the dmg would be scaled by the basic attack damage.
Eula will be physical
So what Element would Geo, Hydro, and Dendro characters would have in hsr
interestingly i actually think that most anemo characters would be quantum or imaginary and most dendro would be wind
I feel like Nilou would fit more into nihility. But maybe that's just because to me Kafka to DoT teams is what Nilou is to bloom teams
i've seen a lot of people say kafka us basically like that with how you build her teams and stuff now that she's been released
@@khaiidehara yup she unlocks a lot of its potential
@@khaiideharaKafka doesn't restrict team-building nearly as much as Nilou, she only needs 1 other DOT-focused Nihility. That comparison isn't even that good, it's like saying Itto would be Nihility because he wants at least 3 Geos.
@@oliviaaargh Itto is a bad comparison since its Gorou who buffs Itto that needs 3 Geo for max damage. Itto works without gorou, before i got Gorou i used Itto with Bennet, Ninguang, Mona.
@@oliviaaarghno, comparing kafka to nilou its not that bad, point not in team restructure, more I how dot it's mc reactions in genshin
i think nihility is more than just debuffs, it’s also DoT kinda like the bloom dps like nilou or yoimiya’s burst, maybe that’s why there was such a lack of nihility characters in your list :’(
DoTs are considered as debuffs too
DoTs are debuffs
i agree but nilou is definitely a perfect fit for destruction.
Yea I feel like Nilou could be in Nihility. She and Kafka have the same roles. To be the enabler of their niche teams.
Nilou is defo nihility imo. She doesnt deal damage herself, she enables others to deal big damage by enhancing seed bombs made by a reaction.
I like how he used sushang as an example for why keqing's burst could being single target
Instead of using seele who has the exact same burst as her
Because to me I can interpret Seele's as slashing through one target multiple times with precision where as the Phoenix is a big fat bird slamming into the ground. That would 100% cause some AoE of some kind, but does not.
Venti as a Nihility would absolutely abuse the DoTs since it's the closest he can do as Swirl
One of the standard banner 5* in the game actually has a cosmic Venti kit, he blackholes enemies. And yes he's Nihility. Though he's also the equivalent of the light element.
@@amandaslough125WELT WELT WELT AHDGYASGDKUYEKUFYEDYFKS
@@amandaslough125 welt our beloved Slower
He helps so much with delaying enemy turns
Yep like big daddy welt DENYING THE ENEMY TURNS
Using the TCG cards to compare would probably give you a better idea of what every character would do in a turn based set up.
*Me when Klee isn't Destruction:*
Ratheil, dear, you know Hook is a Character, right??
Hook is basically the Klee of HSR, if we were to convert Klee's kit into HSR, Hook's kit is very VERY close to be that. She deals more dmg to enemies inflicted by burn (which is similar to Klee's.... Bombs, since... You know...) and she is single target, which imo is similar to Klee more than any Erudition characters.
Erudition are for those who has high intellect, precise and sensible. Klee is very smart, don't get me wrong, but just her personality and over all story is more similar to Destruction than ever.
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IDK if this is relevant but character personality or backstory doesn't related that much to their "Paths", unlike Genshin with its "Vision" (great example of this is Clara). Only their general playstyle affects their path, so she can't be a Destruction path due to her squishiness. And if you wanna go that route of Hook is HSR's Klee, then Klee should be The Hunt.
@@mrcy9307 wdym not retaled to paths? most characters do represent their path, even if they say opposite (e.g. jing yuan saying he's the hunt follower, but his life views are more of erudition). what makes you think they are unrelated?
Yo the maple story music in the bg
@@mrcy9307 One big issue to the whole paths is that the paths we have in game aren't related to the actual paths that the characters believe in for example: Arlan, while the game says he's a destruction unit, at heart he wants to preserve the people on the space station, and protect them so it makes sense that his ACTUAL PATH is Preservation.
This is the same for Clara, while the game states that she's destruction, she could very well be closer related to Erudition (due to her preference in knowledge, intelligence, and over all knowing things), or Preservation (she wants to help, and protect people).
Another example is March 7th, the game states that she's preservation while yes she DOES want to preserve things in the moment and such that, but we've clearly seen in the game that she's closer related to the Trailblaze, or Fuli, the remembrance.
Then there's actual characters that actually follow the path they are on in the combat system, like Gepard, Herta, Yanqing, etc.
Noelle's definitely Destruction. Just a tanky, self-sufficient bruiser with good AoE. A bit like a better Blade? With a Shield instead of consuming own HP.
Trailblazer Preservation on background:
Like really,by Star Rail standarts noelle would have shield skill with aggro and single high damage swipe dealing AOE damage . -.
My thoughts as well. Noelle "does everything", since she has shielding, healing, crowd control (slapping everything with a room sized sword is crowd control) and damage. Her weakness is that she doesn't have the energy generation to do all of that on her own (and geo doesn't have damaging reactions). So... I honestly think she would translate really well as a destruction character with defence/shield scaling (perhaps boosting her aggro during sweeping time). Or we go into lunatic land and she's a "battle" Abundance character, who scales off of defence.
I'm not sure how to translate needing to rely on teammates for energy though.
@@SkiGlovesie I mean,we have Natasha E6 which scale her attack with her hp so not too wierd
@@SkiGlovesie Make her SP negative
Noelle preservation
imo Lisa is clearly a Nihility character. Always when I think of Lisa then about her A4 passive which adds a DEF reduction ability to her kit.
While most players that play Lisa use her for the DEF shred, as well as being a catalyst user that can equip Thrilling Tales, her massive skill range and damage scaling, which rivals Zhongli's burst scaling, makes her better suited for Erudition. That's basically the textbook definition of an Erudition character. She'd pretty much be a Serval 2.0, but more emphasis on damage with a side of DEF shred.
@@unilastation2692 Plenty ofnihility have aoe.
@@kudaice True, but it's never their most defining feature.
Lisa erudition like serval, serval applies shock so liberally but is erudition not nihility
So she applies DEF shred and shock at the same time aka Nihility@@haroldbaluyottan
A good deciding factor for a lot of these probably would’ve been to factor in lore. Albedo for example has a good case for being Erudition plus all of his damage is Aoe based
I agree! He's very intelligent, something erudition characters share (No Qingque slander allowed)
I was also thinking Albedo would have been a good pick for Erudition.
Also, his skill is all about follow up attacks, which are the bread and butter of 3 out of 4 Erudition characters, so yeah, he's erudition.
@@SeasonalShibaQingque is kinda intelligent though? She figures out ways to avoid working and just slack of so isn't she kinda smart?
@@SeasonalShibaQQ's character stories say she likes books, and is smart but works *exactly* enough to meet requirements, no more and no less.
Since DOT isn't really a thing in Genshin, I would turn off-field damage (not a thing in Star Rail) into DOT damage, if I were to make this ranking (so Xq, Yelan would be Nihility). This way Nihility wouldn't be as empty, and the difference between on- and off-field damage is kept, which is rather important in Genshin
If this was the case then Nihility would be the overstuffed one in the end lol
Xingqiu and Yelan could be less about DoT's and more about followup attacks. We already have a character that does a followup attack after another ally uses a Basic Attack in Kafka. Just... build a character around that, and you get Xingqiu and Yelan? In this case, they don't necessarily have to be Nihility. Could be any path really, besides Abundance.
@@RatheilThen maybe have a little bit more thought into decisions such as lore and the fact that people of other roles can perform other roles, like how fu xuan (spoilers making this basic) is preservation yet can buff and heal like abundance and harmony
Follow up atacks are off fielders of HSR.
Uh excuse me, Bennett in Abundance???? He could have no healing and we'd still be trying to make those teams work with no survivability, this dude defines Harmony
How about Luocha? He's kinda have the same effect
@@rossalbertdelacruz6751 Luocha has a bit of debuffing but you don't put him in the team primarily for that, you put him in because he has great healing. Bennett's arguably mainly there for the attack buff. The healing is what pushes him over the edge to being near-universal and he'd have a fairly large opportunity cost if you didn't have it but he'd still be good. Bennett just as a healer would be very mid. Ergo he's primarily a buffer.
And now we have Huohuo
He would play like a mix of HuoHuo and Ruin Mei/Sparkle. Stupidly good buffing and healing on passive like how Fu Xuan.
Get news Huo Huo exist.
IMO, Kazuha should be Nihility more than harmony, because he's focused around spreading different elements for reactions and such. If he was an HSR character, I think it'd be interesting if he could spread DOT procs from enemy to enemy.
Isn't that Anemo in general though?
@@oliviaaargh that’s fair, though in the case of Kazuha that’s his main specialty, whereas other characters such as Xiao, Jean, or Wanderer, while still having the capacity to do it, either don’t focus on it as much, or utilize it with a more damage oriented approach rather than a supportive one that purely focuses on the spread.
@@koto485 Yeah, fair point 👍
i see what you are saying but when we pick kazuha people mostly use him more for his buffs, kinda like asta, she have some DOT on her but still is armony. this idea is good for nilou or kaveh.
@@aries-zn6xe the only buff in his kit is the EM stat buff upon swirl reaction to all allies which is the equivalent of HSR’s EHR in terms of mechanics. Meanwhile, the resistance shred most people use him for because of his efficient application of it is rather a part of the VV set. Either way, he buffs elemental damage directly done to enemies much like a Nihility unit would with DOT, but with the introduction of Fu Xuan soon, a quantum preservation unit who not only scales off HP but also heals, we’ll definitely receive more units with capabilities that extend beyond their path’s main focus, so a mix of both Nihility and Harmony would be interesting.
A weird take I see is Sucrose having a similar kit with Sampo if she's without the EM buffing. Her kit just does lots of anemo damage and I see that as something like a wind shear stuff. So for me she may be Nihility.
also crowd control can be interpreted as making enemies take damage from ST attacks not targeted at them (making every st attack semi-aoe like desctruction bursts)
I think a taser driver Sucrose could definitely be a nihility, personally
I think characters that give infusions like Candace and Chongyun could make it so all teammates' basic attack will deal damage from another element
For example put Seele and Chongyun in the same team, if Chongyun uses his skill Seele's basic attack now deals Ice Damage and will be effective against Ice Toughness instead of Quantum
Actually I think this would be a really good idea for a future character in the game
So a reverse Silverwolf instead of adding a weakness to the enemy he would grant an element to the character ... nice
Chongyun, a Harmony Silver Wolf, that's exactly what I was thinking. He basically needs little change in his kit. He'd just only be a lot more limited in usage than her.
Silver Wolf can apply any weaknesses on an enemy, Chongyun could only add ice.
either that or follow up attacks as well, tho it would be cool for future characters yeah
I would argue Sara is harmony on the account on Yukong dealing a LOT of single target damage with her burst (iirc she has better scaling that Sushang) while buffing 1 element to turbo levels
I feel like eula fits the destruction path more , especially cuz the majority of destruction unites in hsr have big aoe dmg with tankiness like eula does
How about you do the same list but use the characters' lore as a basis of sorting them to the paths?
In HSR I see the paths more focus in the lore and personality, and THEM the gampley is create around that.
That is how I imagined this list in the Frist min of the video...but, well, we got this video
@@yaminarthem1977 Ikr, that's why it's a bit hard to put them under a certain path.
I think we all know deep down that Itto would be the Elation
I'd say any (or at least) Venti's crowd control can be considered a nihility debuff that makes the enemies take part of the damage from the ST attack (making every ST attack work like many destruction bursts - mostly ST with a bit of AoE)
I feel like Yelan is more of a Destruction character- Destruction characters can be either purely AoE or Single Target DPSes as well as being extremely tanky with high HP.
Thats what I was thinking too
I was gonna say this
Yelan is in trash path
Yeah, not to mention they can feature follow up attacks in their kits triggered by other characters or external factors which fits her kit
Me, Nihility. Because of her trip wires
You gotta put Cyno in erudition so he can match Jing Yuan, they share a VA after all
Fu xuan is the dehya we all need, both mitigate damage but one also buffs the team and it has no down time, and her burst actually deals damage.
I would say Raiden is more Hunt than erudition cuz she’s better for bosses. And since Keqing is better for mobs, i would say she goes into Erudition
I would say Kaveh is Nihility. Just like Kafka, he triggers the blooms early and explodes them before they explode prematurely
Also Lisa is often used for her passive of reducing enemies def which is a pretty rare ability in genshin so I think she could fit into nihility
“What to do with Noelle”
Me: Easy!
“Limit her healing to herself instead of the party”
Yep, like Blade’s healing
“Limit her shielding to just her self and increase her own aggro”
Yep, like Clara
“This would make her a…”
Destruction!
“…preservation character”
Huh?
Like, damage dealers that tank and have a good balance of AoE and Single target damage, that’s Noelle’s thing man!
This is noelle’s anemo to Geo vision dilemma all over again.
The way I interpreted it was she kind of feels like Gepard. Both have shields, both transform their defence in to attack. But I can certainly see your point about potentially being destruction. But I don't think that fits Noelle's personality.
I think Destruction still can fit her, just like how she has geo vision dilemma, even if it goes against her personality.
Preservation also can fit, but at the same time it feels like Noelle having an anemo vision.
but Preservation also fit because of her shield, and AoE geo attack can make a lot of crystalize and improve shield uptime from ascension talent.
but Destruction also fit because of her kit, tanky alone, and how she plays.
*pains of confusion*
@@Blackoutdmc personality really shouldn’t have a say in this, Clara should not be a Destruction character, neither should Imbibitor Lunae or regular Dan Heng be DPSes since they both say “I have no interest in conflict”, hell most of the Nihility characters are quite lively for being…nihilistic
Prevervation fits Noelle's personality and some preservations can still do good damage if build mix like Fu xuan or fire mc
lowkey dropped the ball on klee not being destruction. she has single target, but also aoe, just like you said, so i think she'd be a natural fit in destruction where most characters are doing that
i really see wanderer as destruction, his aoe is perfect for it and his personality fits really well
I... well this is pretty weird
Dehya definitely a preservation. There is character on Star Rail (coming soon), which do same exact thing as Dehya. Fu Xuan. Fu Xuan is what Dehya could be if genshin dev put the number correctly. She can mitigate damage, she can heal herself too
But Fu Xuan actually have good number on her kit, and good damage on ultimate
y'know, if thoma was a star rail character im sure hed be waaay better than how he is in genshin. i can see him working with someone like qingque. i mean like, a shield stacking every basic attack in a game where youre guaranteed to get hit no matter what is actually pretty decent
All defensive characters would be way better in HSR than Genshin. Imagine using Zhongli's skill and you instantly get a strong shield for all allies for 3 turns. It's just the nature of an action RPG vs turn-based
@@Ivy-jq6di yupyup. i just thought it would be worth mentioning the 'worst' shielder and his unfortunate fate, haha 😂 and really, alot of genshin's characters' kits would feel way so much more fulfilling in a turnbased setting
that's how fu xuan is, she legit a working dehya.
Recreate, or continue this, after 5.0, for Fontainian characters...
Also, i think Noelle is a Destruction character. Just lower the damage, make her shield become that she protect herself, but able to heal party member slightly, and increase her energy need, and she is the perfect Destruction character we need, that in contrast to Jingliu.
Here is my list fir fontainian character for now:
Charlotte: easy Abundance, or you could put her into Nihility if the DoT effect is what we looking for.
Lynette: Destruction, or Nihility if you looking for the Taunt, or Erudition if you looking for tge AoE damage from her burst/ult.
Lyney: Destruction or Hunt
Freminet: Hunt
Neuvillette: Erudition
Wriothesley: Hunt
Furina: Easy Harmony
Navia: Erudition. Because her gun shots shotgun.
Chevreuse: Harmony.
Ngl Shogun I feel like would be Nihility because of her e being off field damage similar to DoT which is her main use along side being a dps. Also acheron is 1. a raiden expy and 2. is a nihility dps
Raiden is literally just tingyun energy burst but aoe ain't no way she isn't Harmony 💀💀💀
Harmony units dont do damage tho
@@omarbirkdar5536 yukong does a pretty solid damage in her basic attack, and ultimate. Bronya basic attack got 100% crit rate from her trace, opening up for a dps or sub dps (e4) build potential (building her as a support is still better tho).
@@arcofhell even with a sub dps build i wouldn't really say they reach the damage of a main dps which raiden is, just because they can do damage, doesnt mean that they are in the boat as dps units
I feel Ayato would be more in line erudition than destruction since he has multi target aoe capabilities + he’s logical/strategic like the erudition characters in hsr
Hot take yae miko is a nihility character for her seshou Sakuras and she'll work like this skill 3 times trigger passive where it's a bounce ability then her ult is the same and if an enemy is affected they take dot damage
I think for characters like Candance and Chongyun (or c6 Bennett), their infusion is closest to Silver Wolf and implanting a weakness (If the enemy isn't weak to wind, quantum, etc. but Is weak to ice, Chongyun would circumvent the dps' element coverage). I think other similar abilities to Silver Wolf's skill could exist in star rail without her losing what makes her so powerful. So maybe some of those characters could fit more into Nihility!
Noelle was an interesting case. I see her as almost a mimic of fire MC from the description you gave but i totally see why you put her where you did
Yelan in Harmony? Harmony is for buffers, not sub dps. She's definitely destruction, being able to tank + does good damage. Destruction theoretically needs to have multi target but look at Hook.. Yelan does AOE on skill + ult activation so it's enough.
Keqing: Honestly her burst looks so much like Seele's it's extremely justifiable to put her as hunt
Klee in Hunt? Klee in Hunt? Meanwhile Klee's trailer: AOE PYRO DAMAGE
Rosaria fits well for Nihility tbh.. Her ult has DoT elements and she shreds physical so.
Kaveh.. Kaveh is like this SU blessing. "Every time an enemy takes DMG from a DoT, all allies restore HP equal to 1.0% of their respective Max HP. " Also bloom and DoT are compared a lot lol. His skill is analogous to Kafka's basically
I ageee with everything besides yelan, she actually gives substantial buffs maybe she could have follow up attacks, so either erudition or harmony works imo
such a cool and creative vid as always! although i would put nilou in the nihility path only because she's kinda like kafka in a way that enhances dot damage
Ningguang is single Target in the same way Tighnari is. Yes they hit multiple opponents, but it’s from individual hits and not a giant blast attack like Eula’s burst
I think Noelle as a Preservation character just FEELS right. Her character has always been about protecting and serving others. And I know we all used her as such when we started out and some of us are still using her myself included. She is our shield.
The wanderer is fs destruction, lore and gameplay wise
I feel like Xingqiu would have an argument of being in preservation since another note worthy part of his kit is his damage reduction with his skill and ult which helps keep his teammates alive a bit longer
Also Xiao is definitely more erudition cause he’s definitely more on the squishier side without any form of sustainability, and his entire kit screams comically large AOE while destruction usually targets up to 3 with both their skill and ults
"Affirmative Action Nihility" Never change Ratheil.
I would argue that Noelle should be destruction if you just remove party healing, but eh.
When it comes to classifying Genshin characters, especially those with vague kits with respect to Star Rail Paths, I'd like to consider their personalities as well. Such as Albedo - he may pass for a Harmony from his EM buff and is a respectable sub-DPS from his AoE skill. He's also basically a synthetic person and a smart guy and all, so
personally I'd put him in Erudition.
I agree with most of this list, there are a few units I think should be in different paths, here are my personal thoughts:
Nahida, Erudition. Since she links enemies together to periodically deal damage all at once, and the path is literally all about gathering and preserving knowledge, Erudition should be a no-brainer for her. Her debuffing isnt really a thing until c2.
Eula, Destruction, maybe Hunt. I think she would be better off in either of those two paths than Erudition because her playstyle entails whaling on enemies until they either die from her normals/skills, or until they inevitability get obliterated by the ult she's been charging up. She specifically perfers tanky single target enemies than squishy, spead-out mobs because she can make the most of her kit with the former.
Klee, Destruction. Dunno what happend there.
Gorou, Preservation. Gorou's kit is centered around increasing his team mates defence stat. What his team mates do with that extra defence is up to them.
Rosaria, Nihility. I say this because like you mention she does have some debuffing capabilities, including freeze potential, while also having some team buffing, and personal damage. Feels like Pela. Either that or hunt because of her stalkerish tendancies, and fast swift gameplay.
Kujou Sara, Harmony. She feels very similar to Yukong. Short, but powerful buffs, while boasting impressive damaging ultimates.
I really hope in future, Honkai Star Rail would open a new playable path. For example the Simulated Universe path, Elation where all the character focus on doing follow up attack. If that's the case, clearly Yelan and Xingqiu will be on Path of Elation.
In that case some characters like Himeko and Herta would have to be reclassified and I do not see how it will come.
@@liliya_aseeva well, that's not really true tho. If we consider their entire kit they are indeed still Erudition. Just because they have follow-up attack doesn't mean they have to be Elation. Just like Serval and Hook. They both have the abilities to apply DoT but they are not Nihility because in order to become one they need to apply some debuff related to DoT like Sampo. Another example is Silver Wolf, all of her attack is single targer but on top of having low scaling, her playstle focused more on applying bug to enemy. Now in Herta and Himeko case they have follow-up attack but their playstyle focus is more on attacking multiple enemy at once rather than centered on doing follow-up attack.
It's not wrong that you assumed that's what I meant. I probably should clarify that first. Himeko and Herta's follow up attacks are AOE so having a path that focuses on single target follow up attack would be nice.
As a Healing Enthusiast, I MUST convince you that Mika belongs in Abundance.
Mika’s Healing Mechanic is that every time your active character hits an enemy, they will receive healing. Mika is built to make attack speed faster, which means, even more healing. Mika’s Burst also delivers a lot of healing to the party instantly, and then continues to heal a singular unit.
i think chongyun shouldve been maybe destruction. his E could give him an enhanced basic attack which could do blast damage since hes a claymore, and his burst could also be blast damage. you could also argue he could be erudition and that would also make sense.
woahhh, tbh this is such a good idea
Klee being Erudution is not likely
Think of her pyro application
She should be NIHILITY that procs Burn DoT to enemies
I think Sucrose, Hu Tao, Tartaglia, and Yae Miko should be Nihility.
I feel like Sucrose would lean towards a Silver Wolf type of character. She’s very good at applying elements, so being a weakness break character would make sense for her.
Hu Tao and Tartaglia sound like a strange picks, but Nihility characters can be DPS’ too, so I’d choose them as the Nihility DPS characters. They’d both be DoT characters, increases their DoT DMG with Blood Blossom and Riptide. Hu Tao would be healed when opponents are dealt DoT DMG, decreasing her HP when applying Blood Blossom. Tartaglia would be similar to Kafka where he can trigger DoT’s by attacking the opponents with riptide.
Yae seems more like the Nihility type. Especially because The Raiden Shogun is also an Erudition character, it’d make a pretty weird power dynamic otherwise. Yae’s totems would deal additional damage alongside other allies attacks, and would decrease their Effect RES because she would strike fear among her opponents. Idk, but I don’t like the thought of having 2 Iightning Erudition 5 stars that would probably get released at around the same time.
Also I think Yelan should be The Hunt because her DPS capabilities outweigh her supportive ones. I think her supportive abilities would just be kept to herself.
You lost me when you said Hu Tao should be Nihility. She is TEXTBOOK destruction.
@@Blackoutdmc I don’t think consuming their own HP should be confined to Destruction. While she does want to take damage, I think if her special DoTs did damage to herself as well for her it’d make her less than 50% HP talent buff still viable. Plus it evens things out more and suits her character more.
@@Airitzuher skill and burst can be put into star rail and work
@@Blackoutdmc Fontaine characters are more textbook Destruction. Hutao kit is flexible enough for Nihil
I think that Lisa should've been nihility because of her defense shred with her A4, her burst is really only used for that and for the electro application and it is the aspect of her that is most valued due to the nature of her skill taking 4 years to charge up lol. great list aside from that : )
I feel like Nihility is an honorary damage path, (Welt, DoT characters, and Silver Wolf to an extent) so, I believe people like Nilou should be Nihility. (She’s kinda like the Kafka for blooms if you think about it).
Also, I also feel like that Destruction can be more of a “in-between of complete AoE and complete single target and not just loose hp” sometimes. Hook and Physical Trailblazer (idk I don’t play Physical Trailblazer enough to know their kit).
Phys TB and Hook both have aspects of their kits that offer them some self sustain as well as being all-rounder DMG types. It's not just about losing HP/AoE but all of the destruction characters have something that make them a little more durable than your average Hunt or Erudition.
@@Ratheil oops I forgot, haven’t really played them since the first week lol.
To me, Nilou can be Destruction or Erudition. She can burst down enemies with her skills and basic attack.
If I put her at Destruction category, she will be like Blade. Her skill is enhanced and attacks an enemy with the adjacent target like Blade
If I put her at Erudition, she would twirl and wing at her enemies in her skill
And both if her Ultimate, will be AOE burst. And she would say, "All eyes on me!" then BOOM!
Alhaitham being decided as Erudition member *is grumpy in the intellectual*
It was such a missed opportunity to not put cyno in erudition because him and jing yuan because you know same va both electro both are general also I think nilou is a dot characters so nihility
I would've put Venti in nihility but not for the reasons you said, even if it does make sense. It's because the ticks of his burst are DoT, and almost all of the heavily DoT HSR characters happen to be nihility (Kafka, Sampo, now Luka). And I'm not making this up, if you look at Venti's multipliers in his kit they literally calls the anemo ticks % just "DoT". And the elemental/swirl dmg is just as DoT. So even if he's just C0 like most Ventis are, the VV shred and the big suck are absolutely some huge nihility shit.
Of course, then you realize that the other CC anemos aka Sucrose and Kazuha also do DoT, but the buffs are more important for most players than the dmg in their case so they do stay in harmony for sure (unless you play DPS Kazuha or taser driver Sucrose, but that's not their intended use by the devs lol)
4:52 yes they do. It’s called follow up attacks some are immediately trigger and some go on a turn schedule like lightning lord
I would personally have leaned the bloom and reaction-based characters towards nihility as well as Fischl with turning those systems into damage over time. I would also put Beidou and Candace into preservation and included a taunt to the shield/parry system similar to what March 7th already does. But overall, I think it was a very good list and a good take on the conversion
Lisa is 100% Nihility. Her damage output isn't high even with Dendro, but her Burst debuffs enemy Def by like 40% with her second passive, which is really fucking good.
Albedo suits more into Erudition imo, he's a sub dps in genshin with quadratic scaling (like Ganyu) and barely gets used for his buffing capabilities. He could work more like follow up attacks similar to Kafka that affect all the enemies within his field, bigger damage to 1 or 2 targets and splash damage to the others assuming 3+, his burst first hit also hits everyone but the seven splashes could be kept random if they remain as 7 hits. Being erudition wouldn't exclude him to have some harmony capabilities in his kit tho like Serval playing with DoTs, Luocha having 4 paths at higher eidolons (abundance, preservation, harmony and nihility) and Yukong having sub dps potential in ST despite her being harmony.
Noelle suits perfectly into destruction path. Xingqiu could be destruction too if you only wanna count for his rainswords sustain, light healing and ST damage. Other option is being hunt. Problem is that in HSR we would need to see Xingqiu as if we were playing in coop because that's how his kit would look like at base, unless it'd be adjusted to affect every party character in a HSR setting.
hearing Nilou a sweet dancing maiden be in a class called destruction is kinda funny
Based on both lore and gameplay, I’d say:
Albedo: Erudition (lore + gameplay. His burst is an AoE, guys)
Noelle: Destruction (lore, as she’s reckless af)
Klee: Destruction (y’all know why)
Baizhu: Abundance cuz of course he is
Venti: Nihility (lore = drunkard, gameplay = summons a f*cking black hole)
Nahida: Erudition/Harmony (I’m hesitating)
Nilou: Nihility (lore wise dance isn’t really what Sumeru ppl consider useful; gameplay wise her bloom mechanic looks like DoT)
Zhongli = Gepard but summons shields with his skill instead so y’know where he’s going
Lisa: Nihility (lore + gameplay, she’s real lazy + DEF shred)
Ayato: Preservation (lore wise, and only lore wise)
Diluc: Hunt (very lore wise)
Ei: Hunt (remember her obsession with eternity?)
Childe: Destruction/Preservation (1st one is based on gameplay, 2nd is based on lore, as he’s always trying to protect)
Kaeya: Nihility (his icicles might just apply freeze debuff HSR gameplay wise cuz he’s real efficient in that in my account)
Dori: Nihility of F*CKING COURSE
Bennett: Harmony (his burst sirs?)
Wanderer: Destruction (his lore, c’mon guys)
Dehya: Preservation (lore + gameplay)
Can’t think of anything else 😅
The card game character mechanics actually help, because it helps that they turned their abilities in turn based abilities so it's easier to define who is in which path
I think Lisa should have been Nihility, her Q deals damage over a duration of time which could be considered dot, and she has a rare DEF shred
I’ve actually started taking this a step forward, making kits for a few, although they’re different then how they play in Genshin, fitting more to the lore and characterization than ingame playstyle for Genshin
I think that not just their in-game kits, but character's path is also owed to their character's personality, philosophy, role in the story, etc. So I wish that part of characterization was considered more in deciding their paths. I can't go in every one I disagree with, but I've got a couple of examples.
For Klee. She's chaotic, powerful and explosion-maniac. She's walks the path of Destruction.
For Nahida, imo she doesn't fit in nihility. She has a bright, optimistic personality, quite the opposite of a nihilist. And her kit above all things enables reactions. She facilitates other characters to shine. She's harmony. One could argue that for character she'd be an Erudition because she's the God of knowledge. I'd argue no. It's the point of the archon quest. The sages want an intelligent god, Nahida is a wise god. Not to say that she's not intelligent but she definitely favors positivity, dreams and wisdom.
Rosaria is Nihility imo. Her attitude and vibe scream nihilist. But other than the literal interpretation, HSR Nihility characters have an air of mystery, dark past, or down right shady. And for the nihility path, since Genshin doesn't a dedicated role or even archetype of debuffer, has to rely even more on this characterization idea. Especially for characters that have kits that don't necessarily translate to an HSR party's role. You had trouble with some of these because you didn't consider their personality/characterization. Something like Albedo, he has a mysterious past. He's an alchemist, which not entirely science and not entirely magic. Very occult stuff. So yeah, Nihility! He transmutes objects, if he were ported to HSR, he could do what Silverwolf does. He could transmute enemy's weaknesses. Another Nihility character is Chongyun. He'd be Rememberance, if that path's playable. But for the most part yeah. In genshin, he infuses cryo. But in hsr, he could give the enemies a cryo weakness (it could be op for a 4star, but we're talking hypotheticals here). There's a bunch of ice weakness manipulation in the Remembrance path in Sim Universe, so yeah he coule probably do that. He's an exorcist, so that element of the scary and the occult is still there. He's all about that yang energy tho we rarely see him actually burst. So yeah his characterization also fits.
nilou is definitely nihility think of Kafka and Sampo they both use dot dmg which is kinda like Starrail's reactions nilou would do something like that but with freeze or ignite
I would put a lot of the anemo characters in Nihility for the reactions alone except for Xaio (Hunt), Sayu(Abundance) and Faruzan(Harmony) etc
Please do a version trailer tierlist. You have not uploaded any of these in a long time and I think this video will capture the attention of most people
I feel like Fischl would do DoT and that would make her Nihility and same with Yae Miko.
I would probably take the idea one step further and try to match them each to an element in HSR (I'd give traveler imaginary and the void sibling Quantum)(I'd also probably consider the archons as equivalent to aeons and as such give them each a path (the path of eternity, contracts, freedom (trailblazer skin)
Also I would consider their vision but focus on their personality and character to determine there element
Now thanks to topaz being an example, albedo might be an option for the hunt, e havin a follow up atk bufffing certain characteristics for the character etc. Also chongyun has the cryo res shred on his passives, he could be debuff it just like Pela does with defense, as for infusion, it could be a fua.
i think albedo would fit into erudition more bcs its all aoe damage, its ''follow-up attacks'' like herta and also fits his character. also think even tho shenhe leans a bit more into harmony aspects, nihility would fit her way better
maboi chongus is a destruction when you ignore his application (cuz it's given that u only deal one type of damge so he's like, perpetually using his skill on himself). for one, his ult is a big number damage, pretty much like how destruction characters in hsr have skills that have adjacent-main-adjacent skills/ults. and his every three hits on c1 is that as well. he can buff himself much like blade when using e if he's on hsr
I did this a while back, not thinking about their kit but rather about their character and personality
For example rosaria is a nihility character as she slacks off all the time, or yoimiya is a harmony character because she is a peacemaker and gets along with everyone etc.
venti being nihility is so ?? perfect ??? i didnt know i needed this until now
I think thematically, its important to note that all erudition characters are intellectually inclinced as the Aeon of Erudition is Nous - someone who values knowledge. Nahida is a character who specifically wants you to be targeting and grouping enemies, and while she does buff and debuff them, I believe it would make more sense if Nahida was an Erudition character thematically
Additionally, not every character with an AOE burst in Honkai Star Rail is an Erudition character
For infusion characters, you could take some inspiration from Tingyun!! Whenever she buffs a character, they deal additional lightning damage regardless of their element
While I know it's not considered as a debuff in Genshin, some Nihility characters do DOT instead of shresding defnese. Nilou and Kafka essentially have the same kit, as bloom and dot take a bit of time to trigger and both have the ability to trigger them instantaneously while enhancing their damage. I believe Nilou and Kaveh could be classed as Nihility characters
I think Childe fits more into the Nihility path because Riptide feels a lot like a DoT. If his skill would apply DoT, his burst would trigger it, a lot like how Kafka operates.
I cant be the only on who disagrees with most of this list right?
Eula being erudition just because she has High AOE on her burst is kinda weird , she is mainly a single target boss killer since her ult is barely the only aoe in her kit and its not used for killing small mobs as it does too much damage to be used this way. I'd give her hunt but i'm pretty sure she should be a destruction character since she gets defense stacks on her skill and stays on the field most of the time.
Its not like Genshin has bad debuffers, its just their other abilities are better than their debuffing.
For example, Zhongli's pillars shreds the resistance of all elements by 20% but he cant go into Nihility because he is the God of shields literally.Lisa and Raiden are two example of characters that shred resistance with their cons but they are just better Aoe electro apllicators than debuffers. Last is every Anemo character, their swirl shred with VV makes them a typical debuffer but technically since its not part of their "kit" we cant call them that even tho their entire purpose is that in a team.
Crazy idea to implement Venti’s grouping into Star Rail, he could make all enemies speed match, preferably match the lowest speed, so their turns all get clumped together
Is that clumping useful in a game like star rail? No idea, but aoe speed down sounds good
I remember making a reddit post about this a while ago, a good amount of these characters are definitely varied in their possible paths, so its cool to see where you put some of these characters.
link post or title
Yeah that Xiao glitch has been in the game since like forever lol
I think youtube reads my mind... resently I thought what weapon HSR characters will have in genshin, and this is what youtube recommended me the same day
I actually went through and tried merging the break system and elemental reactions into Genshin's elements, haven't done them for star rail exclusive elements
How the elemental reactions would work was mostly on break effects
Like what would happen if a wind/Anemo broken enemy would react to Geo attacks, yes I made this myself
Took 2 UA-cam community posts to be able to fit the whole thing
Oh, i thought on a posible kit for a Destruction path Xiao,
Basic Atk:
Does a similar movement as his charged attack, but only deals damage to one enemy.
As for talent he could possibly do something like Seele and turn invisible or something similar, or it could be a buff (IL Dan Heng/Jingliu).
Skill:
Slashes through enemies dealing wind damage (kinda like his elemental skill)
Burst would be an auto buff, does not deal damage but gives him karmic debt points (Jingliu-like) with those points he gets an enhanced basic atk (he now does his plunge attack), using it consumes karmic points and does a great aoe damage to enemies, one way to get back his karmic points would be defeating an enemy, that would prolonge his enhanced atk duration.
Most of these seem right but I would put Yanfei in destruction due to being able to do pretty good aoe damage and single target damage plus at c4 she gets a shield. Also while I under Klee not beign destruction kit wise you can't tell me Klee isn't destruction
This was fun but the paths function as philosophies that characters follow, so maybe you can do a follow up to this but now based on their personalities and ideals.
I feel like noelle could make a very intresting destruction character, being a self suficient dps who could scale on defensive stats , or maybe a preservation or abundance dps (doesen't make much sense but its still a intreating thought)
Infusions can work well outside of being too good, just like genshin give individual or party what ever amout of turns/attacks to do infused element instead
Personally I don’t think Xinyan’s shield is a big enough part of her kit to put her in preservation. The main thing I and most other people I see play her use it for is just a little bit of energy. Take out the part where it shields her and she’d be a pretty standard destruction character.
Worth noting that star rail characters are often not purists of their paths. Preservation, abundance, and harmony can often do things from other support paths. We also have some very misplaced characters, like Topaz, who is basically a nihility character, but officially is a hunt character.
I literally had this thought since launch,thank you so much.
Oh hey that rhymed.
Also I think Kaveh is similar to Kafka,they both force their own respective DoT to activate.
In TCG,Blooms are a debuff after all.
I think Fisch is Nihility and Oz is a DOT. I liken her to Luka.
I don't know if you or other content creators did this but I suggest you also try ranking the namecards of genshin characters like how you rank their animation and splash art.
I want to mention how I would give each path to these characters I felt like would work. Here is my list for these few (note I would not count for the Traveler since they are like the Trailblazer):
- Starting of with Klee, she would be a Fire character following the path of Destruction. This is quite obvious and suitable considering that she is an on-field DPS. While her basic attack and skill attack would be similar to her playstyle in Genshin (with the skill being AoE), her ultimate would act similar to that of Clara/Hook by causing AoE fire damage upon activation, and buffing her damage, which will apply additional fire damage when using either her basic or skill during a set number of turns.
- With Yae Miko, I would make her a Lightning character following the path of Nihility. I know what you all are going to say, "why not Harmony or Erudition?", well I thought about it before deciding that Nihility would suit Miko the best due to her being an off-field DPS, meaning she is going to benefit a lot through DoTs like Kafka (yes, Kafka is partially the reason why Miko is Nihilty). Miko's playstyle would be the same with three basic attacks while her skill would be like her charged attack, creating burst damage. Every time she attacks with her skill, Miko creates up to three Sesshou Sakura that continuously cause Lightning damage for a set number of turns. Her ultimate would be the same as her Genshin Burst, applying AoE Lightning damage on enemies. Additionally, if the Sakuras are active, Miko's ultimate would cause additional follow-up damage, like Jing Yuan's talent in battle. This would also cause the DoT to activate and spread.
- Shenhe would become an Ice character following the path of Harmony. Shenhe's playstyle would cause the party to apply ice damage to the enemy every time her skill was used. Her ultimate would cause AoE Ice Damage. I had to watch Shenhe's collected miscellany to understand her playstyle as by the time I created this comment, I don't have Shenhe in my Genshin account. While Shenhe's playstyle would be kind of Nihility, it's technically Harmony since she's just allowing the characters to deal ice damage rather then Shenhe dealing ice damage herself.
- Cyno would be like Jing Yuan, basically a Lightning Character following the path of Erudition. And this is not because they are voiced by Alejandro Saab and their similarities in lore. It's just that you cannot deny that they can deal AoE Lighting Damage, though Cyno's ultimate would be like the Destruction Trailblazer's Ultimate, basically like a power-up dealing greater damage.
These are the characters I could think of if they were playable in Honkai: Star Rail. The rest were difficult since only 4 of the 7 elements in Genshin were present in Star Rail and Star Rail uses the same elements from Honkai Impact 3rd with the addition of Imaginary and Quantum. I mean Physical is technically in Genshin but that is only when you use characters specialising in Physical damage. What do you guys think? Do you agree? If not entirely, mention what could be changed.
knowing what your enemy is thinking is a debuff to their motivation ig
Fun way for Venti’s ult in Hsr: make it so that when he activates ult, every enemy gets a debuff where they will take a % of dmg dealt to any enemies with the debuff.