The Making Of Motown 25 1983-Behind the scenes-PLEASE subscribe to my YouTube channel-Tony Ross Back
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- Check out this video, it's the Making Of Motown 25 1983, Behind The Scenes, how it really went down, this let's us in on some things we probably didn't know, and a lot of things were left out lol. MOTOWN 25 was a Great Show, it won an Emmy, starring Diana Ross The Supremes Mary Wilson and Cindy, The Temptation, Smokey Robinson and The Miracles, Stevie Wonder, The 4 Tops, Marvin Gaye ,Martha Reeves, Motown's Founder Berry Gordy and others, Produced by Suzanne De Passe,--PLEASE subscribe to my UA-cam Channel---Tony Ross Back In The Day Music Videos And Now, also LIKE and Leave a Comment,
A great night. I remember. I was there with Mary & Cindy (and Diana). Still have my badge and parking pass. M25 (March 25, 1983). After taping was finished (slightly passed midnight), we sang Happy Birthday to Diana.
That is something I never knew. How lovely. I knew the supremes had dinner together afterwards
Dear John, can you please settle this once and for all? Is the alleged incident of Diana ‘pushing’ Mary just a Urban Myth that has developed over the years? The story that a few seconds of footage were edited out of the broadcast version still lingers on. Did you sense any awkwardness on stage or anything note-worthy about their interaction you can tell us about? Thank you for sharing your memory with us, it sounds like a wonderful night.
@@ah7910 It was covered widely by the press. Sorry, but you can't change history!
@user-ii3vl3zy6m I agree it happened and then they went out to dinner afterwards
Cindy Birdsong needs her flowers for bringing Susanne Depasse to Motown.💐
I didn't know that. How did that happen?
@@ladonnafoxx Not sure how they Met but they were friends Susanne and Cindy Birdsong. Cindy brought Susanne to a rehearsal I believe. There she was introduced to Berry Gordy. You can fact check me. I think it will say that on Google. I heard it from one of Diana Ross unauthorized BIO. Call Her Miss Ross. I believe that's the one.
@@nefertitiscott3179 thank u
Patty should send Cindy flowers, too.
@@johnwhyman2606 Not sure that will happen because Cindy left the Bluebells without informing her band mates she was joining the Supremes. Nona Hendricks is still feels some type of way about it. Remember the Supremes were playing the biggest clubs at the time. Patti LaBelle and the bluebells records barely cracked the top 100 Pop charts with their songs at that time. Check out a few UA-cam videos where Patti LaBelle talks about Cindy Birdsong leaving the Bluebells to join the Supremes.
It was so nice to see the Supremes reunited however briefly. No mention is made here of Ross pushing Wilson out of "her spotlight". I do find it disappointing that other female groups such as the Marvelettes and the Vandellas were not even invited to attend much less participate.
The Ross/Wilson scuffle will never be mentioned on a Motown Production. Suzanne de passe produces these things and she's DR long time best-friend.
Well She is The Queen of Motown ! I have this video now transferred to DVD ! ❤️👏👏💃
Most everyone is dead who were on the show now but that was a hot night in Chicago. We were calling each other to tell our friends to turn on! 💚💜❤️
Thanks for this wonderful posting, u can see that Barry and Diana still love one another.
Fantastic, those songs will live on forever.❤
Amazing I remember it like it was yesterday ❤
What a Superstar, Diva, woman Miss Ross is 🤩
Love me some Diana Ross
Meeeee Toooooo!
Today, this show is best remembered for MJ and moonwalk. The show itself did a LOT of things wrong: the Funk Brothers weren't in it, Jr Walker, Mary Wells, Martha Reeves performed for mere seconds, David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks werent mentioned or on the show, motown bass player James Jameson had to buy a ticket from a scalper and sit in the audience like everyone else, Isley brothers, Spinners, Gladys knight and the pips weren't mentioned. It was basically a tribute to the company not the artists that built the company.
Absolutely correct! They showed no respect to the talent that helped create the magic.
@@user-ii3vl3zy6m Gladys Knight has as gone on record in saying that’s why she didn’t wanna do Motown 25. She said “Everything is always Motown, Motown etc where would Motown be if not for the artists. Why not celebrate them?”. There’s an interview clip of her from the late ‘80s on UA-cam and she briefly talks bout that.
Because it was berry that build the artist duh. Without berry u wouldn’t have those artist. And yes everybody remembers MJ because they didn’t know if he would come back they literally had to beg him
@@EddieMorrison-gq5pm And it was the artists who made him a fortune while they just got a pittance and had to sue for royalties due to them. Guess most of them would have been better off with a Ford pension in the long run.
Tony thank you for sharing this. American Motown memories such as this, let's us all know that we need each other,and that this music is for every American. Thank you my friend.
you are more then welcome,
It would have been better if the Supremes had been able to perform at least 2 of their hits. Instead, they chose a song that Mary & Cindy never sang on. Reach out and touch was done by Diana and some other background singers right before Diana left the group. I thought it was a weird song to pick when they had so many other great songs to choose from. They were pretty much the biggest group on Motown records and barely performed one song together on this huge night.
The lyrics in the chorus and the title may have been the reason.
Beautiful!
destinys child sorta reminds me of the supremes and mary would be kelly Rowland.
Is Kelly Rowland one of the judges for the Voice Australia?
Thanks for posting. While not really that revelatory, I still enjoyed it.
Lol😂
shame about the supremes segment it could have been so much better sad now mary as joined flo ;(
Thanks for sharing.
you're welcome,
Diana would kiss Berry at the end😳
Yeah, Suzanne certainly "passed" her way into her career with Motown.
This was amazing they had Ed Sullivan clips folks saw in school, but not hardly seen til that night. Just like I could see Good Times in syndication when i was real little, but never saw what Soul Train used to be til UA-cam.
The Supremes whole saga is fascinating. More than one thing can be true at the same time, especially in a group. Diana was obviously the star and was by Gordy who saw her charisma and drive early. I also believe nothing could replace the original three. Mary I believe always felt powerless that she couldn’t have done more to help Florence. Diana was driven to be more than a Supreme and Mary would’ve been happy being that forever(probably a little unrealistic)). However the failed “reunion” tour obviously affected Diana because although as a solo artist she sells out the only way a Supremes reunion could take place was for Mary to be on board. Both were probably a little childish @ the Motown 25 celebration. But I’m sure the producers were told if Diana didn’t get things her way she wouldn’t have participated…
Interesting read. It seems you're a Motown aficionado like I am :) I'm the biggest DR fan that I know. I've read everything about her. That said, I agree both Diana AND Mary were "off" that night. Diana often gets all the blame because she got most of the glory. But if you look at it, DR didn't really wanna re-unite. Once she left the group SHE LEFT. However, Suzanne had promised NBC that there would be a Supremes re-union. That's one of the reasons NBC signed the deal. So Suzanne and Berry had to beg/convince her to participate. She declared, well ok but I'll do just ONE Supremes song. Mary wanted a few songs. When Diana refused Mary was obviously upset. She told Cindy, if Diana moves forward WE move forward with her this is not 1965. On stage that was a surprise to Diana who had always sauntered forward back then since she's singing lead. But every move forward she did, Mary also did and that, I think got on her nerves. So she grabbed Mary's arm to move back. Obviously Suzanne and Don Mischer cut that out in edits. If you noticed in the end of the video Mary started singing the lead. She was defiant. Even Mary said it in her book a few years later. "If anyone stands in the way of Diana and the spotlight, then it's their own fault" However, I'm glad they had conversations shortly before Mary passed.
When Berry said to Mary its up to you , if you day no to Flo leaving then she can remain. Mary said NOTHING. it's in her book.
@@richardrichard9631Yeah, also I always wondered why when Diana left in 1969. Mary basically recruited the new 1970's Supremes (Scherie Payne, Linda Lawrence etc) always wondered why she never asked Flo back to the group.
@@tunde818Flo had already sued MOTOWN by then . There was no reconciliation by that point .
It was such a great show but I really wanted a true Supremes reunion. Adam Ant's performance was unnecessary. The Supremes should have sung Where Did Our Love Go and some of their other songs. Mary Wells and Martha Reeves should have gotten more airtime. And sad that not everyone "came home."
Where was Gladys knight and the pips?
They declined to appear from what I remember
They declined to appear. Gladys gave an interview on the matter, reasoning that Motown always undervalued its artist. I remember her saying sth. like "if not for the artists, there would be no Motown, and no Mr. Gordy, for that matter". And she concluded: "So we felt it would be a little hypocritical to go and be a part of it".
A lot of white folks behind the scenes Of a black show 😮
But they all answered to Miss de Passe.
Motwn always had many "white folks" like Barney Ales and Shelly Berger doing business for them. largely because they had better connections in the industry
Where is Berry Gordy raising his hands at 26:05? XD
He saying I'm letting it go time uo
Who has the FULL footage of the J5/MJ rehearsal??)))
Motown, i'm sure.
As beautiful as this is.....they always hide the famous mic snatch incident of Diana and Mary
never saw it in my youtube years, but in 26:05 Berry Gordy should not be raising his hands like wtf Diane??
How come The Dazz Band (Let It Whip) was not part this celebration?
I don't think they're Motown.
@@tunde818 They won a Grammy for Let It Whip on Motown Records.
The reason he thought nobody would be interested is because he RIPPED OFF every single artist!
Not everybody came back where were the Marvelettes and Martha Reeves and the Vandellas
Nor the Contours,, the Isley"s or Gladys Knight..too unfortunate Martha Reeves and Mary Wells had such short performances.
Mfs stay n Detroit
With all due respect to everybody who helped create the show, but imo it failed to capture the essence of Motown and its impact in its heyday. Where were Holland-Dozier-Holland who more than any other in-house songwriter/producer helped create that typical "Motown-Sound"? It was the formula they tailored for Martha, the Sups and the Tops that launched their careers. A formula that so many in the industry tried to emulate. Where was Norman Whitfield who led Motown into the seventies? Where were the Funk Brothers whose rhythmic punch was heard on more hits than all the leading bands of their day stringed together? Where were pioneers like Marv Johnson who brought in the first cash? Or the Marvelettes who gave them their first no. 1 hit? The heads of Motown were never appreciative of the label's creative contributors, nor did they show any respect for their artist. Instead they found the space to squeeze in Adam Ant. I like him, but he definitely had no place there. And the misfired reunion of the Sups was just symptomatic for a concept gone wrong.
Diana proved how insecure she still was at the time in 1983. And again in 2000 for the "RETURN TO LOVE TOUR" fiasco. "SELFISH".
I think that you are insecure! Diana Ross seems very self-confident and always in control of who she is and what she wants. She appears to have high standards and a high moral compass. Her success seems to validate this.
@@strausd02 Bullshit.
She has nothing but her own self interest. Florence, Mary and soon Cindy will be gone. Hope it was all worth it. Selfish of the first magnitude.
@keithmerscheim1924 oh so now its all Diana's fault. Flo made bad decisions. Mary had a good long life and Cindy I hope is getting the care she needs.
She didn't want Mary and Cindy to share the spotlight so she got two former supremes she never worked with.
As usual Ross fought to be the center of attention and her behavior with The Supremes was despiciable.
Mary Wilson exaggerated this whole incident.....
samtrak1204 - You are SO in the dark. Diana did EXACTLY what she was asked to do and DIRECTED to do. Mary RESENTED the fact that she wasn't asked or directed to do those same things - just like she always did. The producers asked Diana, Mary and Cindy to wear black, white or black & white. Mary shows up in the REDDEST DRESS anyone has ever seen. Mary had the entire evening planned to become a big dramatic spectacle - just like she always did. Diana IS a star and she certainly was at Motown 25, so why would she have to FIGHT to be center of attention. The directors and producers decided to use their top star to their advantage on stage - to speak for the group, to bring Berry down onstage, etc. That was their call. Why would she have to fight for that - it was handed to her. What you're missing is that there was only ONE PERSON who objected to those honors being handed to her and wondered "why does SHE get to do everything?!" Three guesses who that little trouble-maker was. You don't know Mary's history in all that ...
@@laladydi5734No need to lie, yes Diana was doing as instructed but it is the producer's fault for not telling Mary and Cindy of the plans for Diana to invite Berry down, Suzanne herself said she only told Diana to do that at the last minute, the finale was not planned to be that way at all. The whole only wear black or silver myth has been disproven by several artist. Many of the artist chose to wear black and silver themselves because it was the silver anniversary but it was never a requirement, Mary wore her silver dress during her speech and changed into the red number for the finale, but several performers including DeBarge wore red and other colors. Diana forgot the words to Someday, which is understandable because she doesn't like the song and hadn't sang it in 13 years at that point, Mary stepped in and saved the performance by picking up the lead, every magazine reported the shove, and you and I and everyone else can clearly see a huge chunk of their performance is edited out because of that very reason, it was not only Mary who reported this incident 3 years later in her book, all of the press that were there that night wrote about it, that's why Smokey ran onstage as well
Why would Diana Ross do that? By this time, Diana Ross was perhaps the biggest star that Motown had ever produced! She was with RCA, doing her own thing. She had her own company. What was Mary, a former member of the Supremes? Mary was the issue, not Diana Ross. Look how she acted! She was jealous of Diana Ross's success. Diana Ross simply did all that was asked of her! Mary was the cog in the wheel... It is called jealousness, envy, hate, and meanness... all embodied in Mary.
@@laladydi5734I’m sorry but no one is questioning if Diana did what she was asked to do. It was her conduct. Yes, I agree that Mary may have had some resentment and couldn’t let got of the past. However, that doesn’t discredit nor devalue her truths. She was there, not you. You all love to discredit anyone’s story that has a negative story about Diana all cause you all favor her.
Truth is truth. There were many more like Richard Pryor and others that said Diana did in fact push her and she was inebriated along with acting like she was the star on stage.
If everything was innocent why did they edit it then?
Yes, Diana Ross was powerful and Mary was talented as well but both women are accountable for their behaviors. Only difference is Mary has literally admitted her wrong in her part. Diana has never done it. Mary just refused to let it go and let live.
Just cause you prefer Diana over Mary doesn’t make what Mary said untrue. Again, you were not there. Plain and simple