Selling my 12v and upgrading to 18v to match the rest of my gear. And my god, it's overwhelming how many impacts they have, thankyou so much for this informative video
I wouldn't sell your 12v. After 30 yrs experience I'm going to 12v. 18v are often loud and annoying and the extra power isn't dont need. Everything else in a 12v is much more advantage to me. ultimately the sub compact 18v was the best for my situation.
Exactly, and it doesn't matter the brand. He touches every point and aspect of the tool. The individual can pick and choose what category they will lean towards
I use the sub compact for automotive. Too often I was stripping screw heads with my normal makita set. Sub compact is also great for fine woodworking where finesse is needed over power.
my favorite and the current I own are xdt14, dt173 and the japanese oil impulse. When it comes to framing or outdoor use, xdt14 is my absolute favorite. It is smooth, powerful and I dont feel bad beating up. The oil impulse I use pretty much for everything else. Dt173 just sits there on the shelf, I feel bad using it :D
I think the XDT19 is the one non Japanese impact that I really love. I ended getting the two Japanese and that one out the most. I keep hoping they will release the TD173 as a US model. We always seem to have about a 1 year lag on when we get those.
That model just feels great to me. The 16 feels more like the 14, which isn't bad but I think the 19 feels more like the 173. Personal preference at the end of the day but it's the one that I think I would pick first if I take out my love the for strange colors.
I love my Makita impact drivers. I agree they may not be the strongest, but in features and build you would be hard pressed to beat. Their engineering, and analysis of user needs in the small to medium fastener category is unparalleled in my opinion. My lusting after that TD173 goes back years. I think for my Birthday this year I’m going to pull the trigger an ebay purchase, probably in classic purple. That has to symbolize the ultimate affirmation of ascendency to power tool mania that would be instantaneously recognized by another power tool aficionado. 😊 Addressing the CXT end, my step father mentioned to me as he got older he really appreciated the light weight and capability for his needs of the smallest and oldest impact. Something I had failed to realize a lot of seniors would value. Yes, long winded here but you opened door #1, so not my fault. Lastly, the subcompact black second gen units fulfill a certain niche for users with high value light weight in tight spaces. Read up on ladders, in crawl spaces, cabinets and panels. The ability to drill and drive with professional level tools for an extended period of time, or not. Gives you a convenient tool, without hauling all that battery and tool weight around. I had the first gen, sold them to get newer heavier LXT and XGT that I don’t use as much, go figure. Another great review Tink! 😜😉
I get there is a market for smaller lightweight tools but in todays market their are smaller tools that perform substantially better than the Makita subcompacts at this point.
Their impacts are so good all around. Anything you should be using an impact for, the Makita does flawlessly. It doesn't needed to have Milwaukee power. I'd like to find out who made the first cordless impact driver. It's hard to find that information.
Just bought the oil impact. I like it a lot so far. its been a month and I'm framing at the moment so just sinking some screws here and there. I did sink multiple screws on T mode definitely surprised when its slows when it feels he head of the screw. I'm looking forward to cabinet and finish work using it. I like to use my drill on a low setting to install cabinet doors but my drill usually has a pilot in it so well see if it can finesse some small screws in trash plywood.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah. Ii have a PayPal credit and if you pay somthing off within 6months there's no interest. I use that line to purchase tools. Great way to get tool and build credit.
I do drywall & paint plus some misc. once in awhile, I can speak to the sib compact being sweet to use. burnt it out after one year driving a lot 9f 3" screws but it was fully worth it. I would buy it again, the other makita models definitely last longer
Early last year I bought the Makita 40v XGT Impact and Hammer Drill Kit but my XL hands were a little too big for the handle on the Impact Driver and I ended up returning it and buying the LXT 18V XDT19 Impact Driver and Hammer Drill Kit , I was bummed , but I really like the XDT19 it's pretty sweet ..... 👍🖖
I only owned the XDT13, XDT19 and have used my FIL's XDT15 subcompact a few times. The 19 feels much smoother and the trigger is featherweight compared to the other two ( and the rest of the brands I have used for that matter). I would recommend the 19 to anyone who already owns Makita batteries
Still rocking 2 brush Makita impact drivers.... BTD140 (Japan) 2005 and LXDT04 (China) 2012. Makitas just run and run. If one dies I will replace with brushless model but that might not be anytime soon?
I've had the XDT14 and XDT16. The 16 has far more bells and whistles. However, I actually preferred the feel of the XDT14. That thing is so well balanced. Makita is usually good with that, however that XDT14 stood out even more.
I feel like the 16 feels like the 14 and I’ve ended up preferring the feel and specifically the trigger the 19. But I am splitting hairs at that point because I really feel like most from the 14 on are outstanding.
Great video. Hmm.. So I guess Makita are pretty good from Japan. I have an old Makita brushed impact for the longest time and it is kinda smooth. But it must be nothing compared to the ones you've tested. The purple Japan Makita is pretty nice, halo lights and controls are in the back. Come to think of it must be more convenient to use. Wish Flex would go with something like this on their next gen of impacts.
Please help with suggesting a site or resource that we can use to compare any impact driver with any other impact driver . not just regular spec, but the testing timing done by reviewers . Im interested in comparing TD111D 12v Makita brushless impact with DCF850 18v Dewalt impact driver. in India bare tool of this Makita is actually at same price as the top of the line 850.
unfortunately there isn't a site that I am aware of. When it comes to those tools, the DCF850 will out perform the Makita 12v for a few reasons. It has more than 50% more torque (1825 to 1200) but then it also has more RPMs so I would suspect you would see a decent bump in performance going with the Dewalt over that Makita. The other piece of information for me is that Makita has been neglecting their 12v platform in quite some time. Because of this, between those two impact drivers, the choice would be easy for me.
@@TinkerWithTools Thank you for quick reply :) If someone has a regular set of tests (screw-lagbolts-spade bit) they perform and time, then we can compare tools across different videos. for those who also have a website they can make s selectable comparison panel where we choose different tools. Bosch needs to be represented more in youtube tools videos . i think you're one of the few who talk about Bosch. (Freak tools especially) for e.g. for 10-12k INR I have 4 options. DCF850 vs TD111 vs Bosch GDR 120li (kit) vs GDS-18v 400 (wrench as bosch doesn't have many bare tool options and this is the cheapest)
Of those 4 impacts I prefer the 850 the most. The Makita you mention is just not that new or strong. Bosch has always had unimpressive impacts for me so that makes my choice easier from these 4.
To my knowledge standard European tools use the same 1/4” hex that American impact drivers use. Will bits work in the JIS collet but I would bet that you will have the forward and back slop that I was talking about. The tools is still completely functional but you can JIS style bits if it’s that bothersome.
You are wrong about the sub compact drivers. They are my absolute favorite. They are quiet as a mouse, feel great and are plenty strong for what moat people do. I have the xdt19, I love it. But the 18 is my go to at home. I have 2 twin girls at home who are 2 yrs old. And quiet is waaaaaayyyyyyy more important than power there
I have heard that there have been controller issues with the DT173, on one of the Makita Facebook groups, there is a guy in Japan who sells them and has said that he has had to repair several DT173 controllers, he also said that the DT172 is better for that reason, there is 2 other guys who said their DT173 has died after a few months. This brings me to my question, do you have any insight on what 18v Makita has been the most reliable? I am in the market for a new impact driver and I make my purchase based on durability providing I can find that information out, I don't even care if it has all the bells and whistles, I prefer longevity.
I have had zero issues with any Makita impact driver over the years I have owned them. The 173 has been the same. Obviously you could have problems like you have described and still have many happy customers though. The imported Japan made impacts have risks with them and you aren’t getting warranty service. When you can pick up a XDT19 for around a hundred dollars most of the time that is the one that carries my recommendation.
@@TinkerWithTools Awesome, thanks for the reply. The XDT19 is one that I was considering, that being said, I can buy the DTD153 for cheap and because I don't work with sheet metal screws, I don't need the speed settings. Is the DTD153 decent?
I believe that one is comparable to our XTD13 and it's a decent impact driver in terms of power and how it compares to the other Makita's i have used. Just not quite as fancy or technology rich.
No clue. Makita isn’t doing too well in the North American market right now so I don’t know if that is influencing the timing at all but it’s been more than a year or at least close to it at this point.
I mentioned the oil impose but not this one. Saw it during the prep for the video but didn’t include since it wasn’t just an impact driver. They refer to it as an impact hammer drill so I decided not to.
well the subcompacts came out almost 10 years ago at this point but they RE PRETTY DAMN DECENT IN POWER FOR WHAT THEY ARE THE DRILL IS THE SKINNIEST DRILL IVE EVER SEEN ITS TINY
It’s likely one of the skinnier drills but in terms of shortness it’s been passed by several at this point. The drill makes more sense to me than the impact because the impact really isn’t smaller than their top impact drivers.
not necissarily when you're trying to get into angles and corners when you want it as flush as you can be but i agrree if it was shorter it would be even better.@@TinkerWithTools
I have a serious question guys.... And it might be an obvious one for most of you. But i have to ask... So..... Should i buy a combo (Makita) that comes with the XDT16 (impact) and a hammer drill(cant remember model). Comes with 2 batteries, charger , and bagFor like $400 something. Or .... Buy the XDT19 1/4" impact but it xomes with the tool, 2 batteries, charger, and bag. Think they both come with 2 5AmpHour batteries. I know youre thinking, "yeah dumbass get the deal with the lesser of the impacts but you atleast get a hammer drill with the combo!". But part of me knows im gonna use the impact alot more than the hammerdrill so i want the XDT19 because its way newer than the XDT16..... What do you guys think. Am i retarded?
With a lot of brands I would tell you to get the newer tool but Makitas impacts from the 16 to the 19 to the newest from Japan that we don’t even have the US yet function really well and very similar in overall performance. If the price is similar (at Home Depot the 19 with two 5ah is $429😳 but the hammer drill kit with the same batteries is $419) I don’t think you are giving up a ton of power and performance with the 16.
Selling my 12v and upgrading to 18v to match the rest of my gear. And my god, it's overwhelming how many impacts they have, thankyou so much for this informative video
Glad it was helpful!
I wouldn't sell your 12v. After 30 yrs experience I'm going to 12v. 18v are often loud and annoying and the extra power isn't dont need. Everything else in a 12v is much more advantage to me. ultimately the sub compact 18v was the best for my situation.
Another great video. You are definitely becoming one of my new favorites tool reviewers. No cringe and just good information. Thanks boss!
Thanks. Glad you like it!
Exactly, and it doesn't matter the brand. He touches every point and aspect of the tool. The individual can pick and choose what category they will lean towards
Thanks @uncleivan1
I use the sub compact for automotive. Too often I was stripping screw heads with my normal makita set. Sub compact is also great for fine woodworking where finesse is needed over power.
I have a brushed BTD141 from 2011ish thats still kicking.
Got the 13, 14 and 16 and even though all the modes on the 16 are nice i mainly use the 14.
The 14 is one of the more recent ones I got. That came when I bought the XPH16 in a combo kit at launch.
my favorite and the current I own are xdt14, dt173 and the japanese oil impulse. When it comes to framing or outdoor use, xdt14 is my absolute favorite. It is smooth, powerful and I dont feel bad beating up. The oil impulse I use pretty much for everything else. Dt173 just sits there on the shelf, I feel bad using it :D
I think the XDT19 is the one non Japanese impact that I really love. I ended getting the two Japanese and that one out the most. I keep hoping they will release the TD173 as a US model. We always seem to have about a 1 year lag on when we get those.
@@TinkerWithTools you use xdt19 because of how the bits fit or something else?
That model just feels great to me. The 16 feels more like the 14, which isn't bad but I think the 19 feels more like the 173. Personal preference at the end of the day but it's the one that I think I would pick first if I take out my love the for strange colors.
@@TinkerWithTools I agree with you, I do miss the speed button when I use xdt14, but I don't feel bad abusing it
I’ve been eyeballing the black oil impulse on eBay man!!! Not a bad price either. $180 I think. Might have to snag it😂
I love my Makita impact drivers.
I agree they may not be the strongest, but in features and build you would be hard pressed to beat.
Their engineering, and analysis of user needs in the small to medium fastener category is unparalleled in my opinion.
My lusting after that TD173 goes back years. I think for my Birthday this year I’m going to pull the trigger an ebay purchase, probably in classic purple. That has to symbolize the ultimate affirmation of ascendency to power tool mania that would be instantaneously recognized by another power tool aficionado. 😊
Addressing the CXT end, my step father mentioned to me as he got older he really appreciated the light weight and capability for his needs of the smallest and oldest impact. Something I had failed to realize a lot of seniors would value.
Yes, long winded here but you opened door #1, so not my fault.
Lastly, the subcompact black second gen units fulfill a certain niche for users with high value light weight in tight spaces. Read up on ladders, in crawl spaces, cabinets and panels. The ability to drill and drive with professional level tools for an extended period of time, or not. Gives you a convenient tool, without hauling all that battery and tool weight around. I had the first gen, sold them to get newer heavier LXT and XGT that I don’t use as much, go figure.
Another great review Tink! 😜😉
I get there is a market for smaller lightweight tools but in todays market their are smaller tools that perform substantially better than the Makita subcompacts at this point.
And thanks! I appreciate the support!
I have all of them! In fact, I have all the Makita, Dewalt, Ryobi, and Milwaukee tools. That’s why my tool truck is an 18 wheeler.
😂😂 if my collection were mobile I might need to join you with the 18 wheeler.
@@TinkerWithTools I battle with restraining myself from purchasing new tools. I often lose those battles.
@@jimivey6462 Same here!
hahaha i have this same problem i have to talk myself out of buying new tools everyday and most of the time i am not successful.
@@nickp3270 I love my tools! Someday, I might find a woman that I love as much as my tools and my heart will burst.
Never knew that the ‘bits’ are different 😮😮
I’m gonna buy some of those
Their impacts are so good all around. Anything you should be using an impact for, the Makita does flawlessly. It doesn't needed to have Milwaukee power. I'd like to find out who made the first cordless impact driver. It's hard to find that information.
Makita had the first brushless cordless impact driver but I am not sure who had the first. If I find out I will let you know.
I believe it was black and decker
Just bought the oil impact. I like it a lot so far. its been a month and I'm framing at the moment so just sinking some screws here and there. I did sink multiple screws on T mode definitely surprised when its slows when it feels he head of the screw. I'm looking forward to cabinet and finish work using it. I like to use my drill on a low setting to install cabinet doors but my drill usually has a pilot in it so well see if it can finesse some small screws in trash plywood.
I still haven't been able to get over the cost of the oil impact. It just stays pegged at $240 no matter what.
@@TinkerWithTools yeah. Ii have a PayPal credit and if you pay somthing off within 6months there's no interest. I use that line to purchase tools. Great way to get tool and build credit.
Great video!! I'd like see you test the hybrid XPT02Z. Also the Oil-Impulse XST01Z that somebody previously mentioned.
Both interesting options for sure. I think that I am more likely to get the oil impulse given the current price of the hybrid.
Sold my 154(xt14) and upgrade to 172(xt19), very happy decision made. Xt19 is smaller and handle better also the features are very useful.
Yeah the 19 is a really great impact!
I do drywall & paint plus some misc. once in awhile, I can speak to the sib compact being sweet to use. burnt it out after one year driving a lot 9f 3" screws but it was fully worth it. I would buy it again, the other makita models definitely last longer
Thanks for providing your feedback!
Early last year I bought the Makita 40v XGT Impact and Hammer Drill Kit but my XL hands were a little too big for the handle on the Impact Driver and I ended up returning it and buying the LXT 18V XDT19 Impact Driver and Hammer Drill Kit , I was bummed , but I really like the XDT19 it's pretty sweet ..... 👍🖖
I think you got the better impact driver. The XGT showed well in this video but I would choose the XDT19 over the gen 1 XGT.
This helps greatly.
Going with the XDT19.
Odd that there are SO many impact drivers in the Makita lineup.
Yeah, some of the companies have pretty bloated lineup!
I only owned the XDT13, XDT19 and have used my FIL's XDT15 subcompact a few times.
The 19 feels much smoother and the trigger is featherweight compared to the other two ( and the rest of the brands I have used for that matter).
I would recommend the 19 to anyone who already owns Makita batteries
You are right about the trigger on the 19. The TD173 is the same way.
Still rocking 2 brush Makita impact drivers.... BTD140 (Japan) 2005 and LXDT04 (China) 2012. Makitas just run and run. If one dies I will replace with brushless model but that might not be anytime soon?
Good for you! Can't top quality and longevity.
I've had the XDT14 and XDT16. The 16 has far more bells and whistles. However, I actually preferred the feel of the XDT14. That thing is so well balanced. Makita is usually good with that, however that XDT14 stood out even more.
i agree the xdt14 feels better than the 16 better trigger control in my opinion also but the 16 is still great
I feel like the 16 feels like the 14 and I’ve ended up preferring the feel and specifically the trigger the 19. But I am splitting hairs at that point because I really feel like most from the 14 on are outstanding.
@@TinkerWithTools I think the xdt19 is a combination of all the great things from xdt14 and 16
Great video. Hmm.. So I guess Makita are pretty good from Japan. I have an old Makita brushed impact for the longest time and it is kinda smooth. But it must be nothing compared to the ones you've tested. The purple Japan Makita is pretty nice, halo lights and controls are in the back. Come to think of it must be more convenient to use. Wish Flex would go with something like this on their next gen of impacts.
The placement of the controls is something I wasn’t sure I would like and since have really loved.
Please help with suggesting a site or resource that we can use to compare any impact driver with any other impact driver . not just regular spec, but the testing timing done by reviewers .
Im interested in comparing TD111D 12v Makita brushless impact with DCF850 18v Dewalt impact driver. in India bare tool of this Makita is actually at same price as the top of the line 850.
unfortunately there isn't a site that I am aware of. When it comes to those tools, the DCF850 will out perform the Makita 12v for a few reasons. It has more than 50% more torque (1825 to 1200) but then it also has more RPMs so I would suspect you would see a decent bump in performance going with the Dewalt over that Makita. The other piece of information for me is that Makita has been neglecting their 12v platform in quite some time. Because of this, between those two impact drivers, the choice would be easy for me.
@@TinkerWithTools Thank you for quick reply :) If someone has a regular set of tests (screw-lagbolts-spade bit) they perform and time, then we can compare tools across different videos. for those who also have a website they can make s selectable comparison panel where we choose different tools. Bosch needs to be represented more in youtube tools videos . i think you're one of the few who talk about Bosch. (Freak tools especially)
for e.g. for 10-12k INR I have 4 options. DCF850 vs TD111 vs Bosch GDR 120li (kit) vs GDS-18v 400 (wrench as bosch doesn't have many bare tool options and this is the cheapest)
Of those 4 impacts I prefer the 850 the most. The Makita you mention is just not that new or strong. Bosch has always had unimpressive impacts for me so that makes my choice easier from these 4.
They all are nice but my favourite is the dtd153 (xdt13)
It almost feels like you can’t go wrong with these!
I live in Europe... when you talk about the td173 you talk about us and japan jis i belive it will work for me 🙂
To my knowledge standard European tools use the same 1/4” hex that American impact drivers use. Will bits work in the JIS collet but I would bet that you will have the forward and back slop that I was talking about. The tools is still completely functional but you can JIS style bits if it’s that bothersome.
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
You are wrong about the sub compact drivers. They are my absolute favorite. They are quiet as a mouse, feel great and are plenty strong for what moat people do. I have the xdt19, I love it. But the 18 is my go to at home. I have 2 twin girls at home who are 2 yrs old. And quiet is waaaaaayyyyyyy more important than power there
I guess I'll have to give it a go.
I have heard that there have been controller issues with the DT173, on one of the Makita Facebook groups, there is a guy in Japan who sells them and has said that he has had to repair several DT173 controllers, he also said that the DT172 is better for that reason, there is 2 other guys who said their DT173 has died after a few months. This brings me to my question, do you have any insight on what 18v Makita has been the most reliable? I am in the market for a new impact driver and I make my purchase based on durability providing I can find that information out, I don't even care if it has all the bells and whistles, I prefer longevity.
I have had zero issues with any Makita impact driver over the years I have owned them. The 173 has been the same. Obviously you could have problems like you have described and still have many happy customers though. The imported Japan made impacts have risks with them and you aren’t getting warranty service. When you can pick up a XDT19 for around a hundred dollars most of the time that is the one that carries my recommendation.
@@TinkerWithTools Awesome, thanks for the reply. The XDT19 is one that I was considering, that being said, I can buy the DTD153 for cheap and because I don't work with sheet metal screws, I don't need the speed settings. Is the DTD153 decent?
I believe that one is comparable to our XTD13 and it's a decent impact driver in terms of power and how it compares to the other Makita's i have used. Just not quite as fancy or technology rich.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks again.
There are patents for a second gen oil impulse, i want it so bad!
That would be awesome! Hopefully it actually comes to market.
I was trying to send you a link to the black oil impulse driver from ebay that I got for 215 , but looks like youtube doesnt allow links once again.
I'll check it out. Do you happen to have the Surge? I am wondering how the two compare.
Is there a different model number on the Japanese version?
@@TinkerWithTools yes its smoother and more quiet...has more power too in my opinion...model number is TS141DZB
I’ve earmarked it for a future months budget!
@@TinkerWithTools hope it's still there...I only found one seller for $215 and I think he only has one left
When are they going to release the new ones in north American
No clue. Makita isn’t doing too well in the North American market right now so I don’t know if that is influencing the timing at all but it’s been more than a year or at least close to it at this point.
Excellent!
Thanks!
You forgot the Makita HYBRID! The XPT02Z 4‐IN 1.
Actually if you mentioned it I'm sorry lol just have seen a review on
I mentioned the oil impose but not this one. Saw it during the prep for the video but didn’t include since it wasn’t just an impact driver. They refer to it as an impact hammer drill so I decided not to.
@@TinkerWithTools it's a interesting tool fosure
nice
well the subcompacts came out almost 10 years ago at this point but they RE PRETTY DAMN DECENT IN POWER FOR WHAT THEY ARE THE DRILL IS THE SKINNIEST DRILL IVE EVER SEEN ITS TINY
It’s likely one of the skinnier drills but in terms of shortness it’s been passed by several at this point. The drill makes more sense to me than the impact because the impact really isn’t smaller than their top impact drivers.
oh i agree its not the shortest
not necissarily when you're trying to get into angles and corners when you want it as flush as you can be but i agrree if it was shorter it would be even better.@@TinkerWithTools
Is it just me, or does the TD173 seem to wiggle a lot.. ?
Meaning in the video when I was driving fasteners?
@@TinkerWithTools yes sir
It’s sort of dependent on the fastener. From the user standpoint you don’t notice it more than any of the others here.
I have a serious question guys.... And it might be an obvious one for most of you. But i have to ask... So.....
Should i buy a combo (Makita) that comes with the XDT16 (impact) and a hammer drill(cant remember model). Comes with 2 batteries, charger , and bagFor like $400 something.
Or ....
Buy the XDT19 1/4" impact but it xomes with the tool, 2 batteries, charger, and bag.
Think they both come with 2 5AmpHour batteries.
I know youre thinking, "yeah dumbass get the deal with the lesser of the impacts but you atleast get a hammer drill with the combo!". But part of me knows im gonna use the impact alot more than the hammerdrill so i want the XDT19 because its way newer than the XDT16.....
What do you guys think. Am i retarded?
With a lot of brands I would tell you to get the newer tool but Makitas impacts from the 16 to the 19 to the newest from Japan that we don’t even have the US yet function really well and very similar in overall performance. If the price is similar (at Home Depot the 19 with two 5ah is $429😳 but the hammer drill kit with the same batteries is $419) I don’t think you are giving up a ton of power and performance with the 16.
None of these exist in Europe, at least not with that name!
Models numbers might be different there. Do you have Makita impact that you know the model number where you are?
Just different numbers, XDT19 = DTD172 for example. Don't ask me why they are different, it's annoying.