ROR Rule 10 by Capt Anil Bhatia
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Great sir... You explained so well... Made it so easy :)
Thanks in tons sir u explained very well i understand easily
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Congrats on passing your orals. The purpose of my channel is to make things simple. Now you also need to apply this understanding whilst sailing. All the best.
Thanks for making the information very clear.
Thank you so much for this Captain.
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Very nice explanation sir
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Good Day Sir,
Thank you for your videos. It is very generous of you to put these videos up on youtube to help others.
The concepts here have been explained very well.
I am currently studying in Glasgow, preparing for my OOW written exams.
I would like to make a small contribution to this video only to make it more clear that there is a huge difference between PRACTICABLE and POSSIBLE.
Having said that Rule No. 10 point (h) states:
A vessel not using a traffic separation scheme shall avoid it by as wide a margin as PRACTICABLE.
POSSIBLE - could also mean the other side of the world.
PRACTICABLE - depends more on the situation your in and what is more appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions. It is very important to stress on that in this rule.
Kindly refer to 10:03 in the video.
It will be great if you could stress on that a bit too so it becomes much more clear to other people.
wishing you all the best and success with the videos. I will surely recommend your channel to others.
Thank you once again
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Thanks for the constructive feedback.
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tss situation.. i am pdv. there is vessel close behind me on stbd side and another vessel about to cross the tss on my own stbd side.
sir what will be my best action.
thank you
Good noon sir..
In a situation where sailing vessel following a traffic lane, nd p/d crossing from port to Stbd, what action should a p/d vsl take??? Nd please specify Sir as per what rule sir?? Like rule 10 Or rule 18?? Plss sir
Sir rule no.24plz explain
Captain could you please answer my question regarding to vessel less than 20m in tss , narrow channel and open sea, which obligation do we have as we have a normal PDV?
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You should go through in RULE 18
Sir if CBD is crossing PDV from stbd to port than which rule will be applicable rule 15 or 18 ?
Already answered
Own vsl is required to keep clear of CBD, as per rule 18, 8f, and it will be a crossing situation.
If ROC exist, reduce speed and let CBD pass, if not possible, then keep clear of her, can also go to separation zone for avoiding immediate danger.
Sir if i am obliged to cross TSS and vessels following the lane doing 020 but actually direction is 000. Wht will be my heading when crossing???pls advice
090 since general direction of traffic flow is 000.
Sir I am following the general direction of TSS fishing vessels crossing me from a starboard risk of Collision exist
And fishing vessel is not taking any action
Sir could I alter wide to star board aur I leave the lane at a small angle if I do so then is there any breach of rule 8 a small succession of courses shall be avoided kindly reply
Check for sea room and alter wide, you are going out of TSS to avoid a collision situation. However early action will ensure you alternation is not very wide. Also tap the possibility of reducing speed.
a very common scenario in Indonesian side of Singapore strait for east bound vessel. thanks for asking and thanks to Captain for providing with answer
Sir a fishing vessels making 7 k n of speed will we assumed its fishing vessel or Power driven vessel having the lights and shapes of fishing vessel
A vessel engaged in fishing will always remain so.
The definition for fishing vessel is ' The term "vessel engaged in fishing" means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restricts maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict maneuverability'. The key words here are restricts her maneuverability. If fishing gear used does not restrict her maneuverability, it is not a fishing vessel.
Thanks for the video Captain it's very helpful. Sir if NUC vessel is crossing from the starboard side and own vessel is P/D following the lane, Which vessel has to keep out the way of other by quoting the rules?
Own vessel to keep clear of nuc rule 18
@@thecaptainschannel7206 Thanks for answer Sir, but last time surveyor failed me on this situation, He mentioned to me that in rule 18 it is written: " except where rules 9, 10 and 13 otherwise required".
And I know that it is written for F/V, S/V, and vessel less than 20 m because they have the non-impeding obligation and for the hampered vessels they have to follow rule 18 in TSS.
But how to give answer to surveyor if he don't want to listen rule 18? please help Sir.
I can only give the correct interpretation. You may tell surveyor politely that the ' not to impede concept' does not apply to nuc in rules 9 n 10.
@@thecaptainschannel7206 Ok Sir. Thanks for your valuable time and answers.
Good evening sir in tss if we see astern light of fishing vessel what will be action overtaking action or first we will give short and rapid blast then we will overtake fishing vessel
Good morning Sir, if a CBD vsl is crossing from starboard side ...which vessel will be give way vessel.
Since she is on your starboard side you are the give way vessel, as per crossing rule.
Thank you sir ..If same CBD Vsl is crossing from port then the Vsl following the traffic lane will be give way Vsl or stand on.
Initially PDV vessel has obligation not to impede safe passage of CBD. Later if ROC exists CBD is give way and PDV is stand on.
Tss crossing situation
Own vsl on tss
Tgt vessel crossing from stbd side
Action?
hello sir well explain ROR, i have small doubt, I'm on PDV following a general direction of traffic lane & SV crossing and ROC exists, before taking any action, can i sound 5 short rapid blasts?
5 short and rapid blasts indicates u r in doubt. In this case u should sound 5 short n rapid blasts before taking action.
Yes
Figure is not prefect capital but u explain vry well
Keep what you like forget what you don't like
Sir what is the best way to tackle with fishing traffic kindly suggest
Follow IRPCS !!
If cbd vsl cross from stbd side of my vsl in tss then what will be action??
Check the videos. Covered.
Own vsl is required to keep clear of CBD, as per rule 18, 8f, and it will be a crossing situation.
If ROC exist, reduce speed and let CBD pass, if not possible, then keep clear of her, can also go to separation zone for avoiding immediate danger.
@@buanvino when roc exist, isn't it the responsibility of CBD as per rule 15 to keep out of the way ?
Hello sir, Thank u for all ur videos. Learned a lot.
Pls advice this situation-
CBD is following TSS. Own vessel (Pdv) crossing from her Stbd to Port. ROC exist. Who will take action and as per which rule???
Already covered
Own vsl is required to keep clear of CBD, as per rule 18, 8f, and it will be a crossing situation.
If ROC exist, reduce speed and let CBD pass, if not possible, then keep clear of her, can also go to separation zone for avoiding immediate danger.
@@buanvino sir but rule 18 says "except where rules 9,10,13 otherwise requires"
@@harshpandey1750 yeah so, what is the meaning of that line you said?
If any vsl is in TSS , no one is relieved of her obligation under any of the rules. TSS first line says.
@@buanvino no sir i mean if there is crossing situation then cbd has to keep clear?
Sir, in tss sailing vsl crossing from port bow we are pdv he has not taken any action and risk of collision exist can we alter course to port and pass stern of her or wat is the best action in this case.
take action as per 8f(iii) and rule 18. Since u are pdv, you have to keep clear of sailing vessel as per rule 18. Hence you may alter course to any side or reduce speed. Also check area outside tss and inform vtis.
@@thecaptainschannel7206 thanks a lot sir.. Same thing applies to fishing vessels and nuc??
Sir can you clear me one doubt
Fishing vessel crossing from port to Stbd ROC Exists who is stand on who's giveaway ? As per which rule
Already answered. Check videos
Sir, Does rule 18 apply in rule 9&10... narrow channel & TSS ??
There is some confusion...so plzz tell me.
Rule 18 ka pehla sentence padh k dekha hai kabhi?
@@Sailornama yes bro....for a exam point of view-we don't apply rule 18 in rule 9&10....bt suppose ROC exist then ???
See as an example-
Rule 8 (f)iii.....the vessel whose passage is not to be impeded still be responsible to avoid collision if ROC exist
Sir why is the difference between separation zone and separation line.
A separation zone is an area between the two lanes. A separation line is a single line and does not define any area.
Sir what is the passage and safe passage under rule 10
Already explained in my videos. Please check.
Sir in tss we will allow the tide or current or we will counteract please clear my doubt sir.
Your Q not clear
@@thecaptainschannel7206 sir will you pls clear my doubt at the the time of crossing tss we will allow the current and tide or we will counteract
Hello Sir,
Since rule 10 does not have any special obligation for a cbd vsl, i am assuming that if own power driven vsl following a tss encounters a crossing cbd from port or stbd, own vessel has to take action as per rule 18 and 8f(i) & (ii). But then if ROC exists cbd vsl is bound to follow rule 15 in this case as per 8f(iii). So keeping all this in mind, i reached these two possible actions in cbd crossing sitaution if ROC exists:
- cbd crossing from stbd to port: cbd to keep course(perpendicular to direction of traffic flow) nd speed, own vessel to leave tss at small angle and then alter wide to pass astern of cbd or alter wide(90 degree) within tss itself to avoid immediate danger and pass astern
- cbd crossing from port to stbd: In this case, the cbd will meet own vessel after crossing the seperaton zone or line, she shall reduce her speed further such that there is no ROC anymore and own vessel can safely pass ahead of her by continuing to follow tss. The own vessel should have taken early action as per 8f(i) so that ROC would not exist but since, ROC exists, own vessel to consider increasing speed to safely pass ahead of her, or if that is not possible, alter wide, leave tss by a wide margin, reduce speed and turn around in inshore traffic zone and call master.
If cbd vessel is replaced by pd vessel in these cases and ROC exists,
- actions of both vessels remain the same in stbd to port crossing as in cbd case.
-in port to stbd crossing, crossing pd vessel to take action by altering to stbd evn if it does not comply with 90 deg crossing since it is to avoid collision. Own vessel to keep course and speed but it it becomes apparent to her that crossing pd is not taking action, she shall take the latter action as described by me in cbd vessel case.
I considered actions to be taken by both the vessels in each case since surveyors ask the situation either way. Please evaluate these actions and correct me if i am wrong?
When ROC exists 8f1 stage is over. If cbd on stbd side own vessel may also reduce speed to pass stern of cbd. If cbd on port side she is give way and own vessel may taken action as per rule 17 increase of speed is not an option.
Thank you for the reply sir, can you please elaborate on the action by own pd vsl which may be taken if cbd crossing from port side ... because i am confused particularly about this case ... should the own vessel keep her course and speed as per 17a(i) and take action only if cbd is not taking action as per 17a(ii) ... or should she take action regardless whether cbd is taking action or not so as to not impede her safe passage as per 8f(ii) ... should the master be called in such a scenario?
Reducing speed is one of the options
Master should be available n may be on bridge depending on company sms and his judgement.
You have to take action as per 17 a ii
what possible action manoeuvring wise can own vessel take as per 17a(ii) sir? because the surveyors don't accept only reducing speed as the action in this scenario .... can altering wide to stbd, leaving tss by a wide margin, turning around in inshore traffic zone and informing master be a possible action to avoid immediate danger?
Sir, Is a Risk of collision an immediate danger?
In what context?
Sir is rules in section 2 applicable in TSS
Yes
Sir please explain the actions if CBD cross the tss and I am a pdv in tss . And action as per which rules ?
This is partly covered in rule 8 explanation and I will cover it in detail in my next video, as it requires elaborate explanation.
Thank you sir . Please share the video soon as I have my orals in a week .
May take some time.Mean time remember than rule 10 has no special provisions for CBD and rule 18 says pdv should not impede passage of CBD. The term not to impede is explained in rule 8. You can check that.
But sir rule 18 does not apply in rule 9 10 and 13 . That's is why I have been getting confused .
Harry Singh Rule 18 says except when 9 10 and 13 otherwise require. So it's not that rule 18 does not apply at all. For more clarification please wait for the next video