Thank you for explanation. Here, however, is still a substantial doubt regarding Overtaking. Although we can use a Board to determine whether we are overtaking another vessel (based on its found true vector), Rule 13 still cannot be applied, as we are working with incomplete information (only from the radar, which we then transfer to the Board). We may hear another vessel but not see it, which prevents us from having a complete picture. According to the Rule 13 itself (paragraf 'b'), the determination of whether one vessel is overtaking another is to be made solely on the basis of visual aspects and visibility of the ship's lights, which becomes impossible in restricted visibility. This is further supported by the fact that Rule 13 belongs to Section II (Conduct of vessels IN SIGHT of one another), and, as one previous commentator rightly pointed out, it does not apply to the rules (actually, the sole rule) in Section III, to which Rule 19 belongs. This is confirmed by the first paragraph 'a' of Rule 13, stating "Notwithstanding, anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I and II,.." where Section III, and consequently, Rule 19, are not mentioned. In short: Rule 13 classifies vessels into "Give-way" and "Stand-on" vessels that form the basis of the rules in Section II; however, such classifications do not apply under conditions of restricted visibility (Rule 19) - all vessels are expected to give way to each other in a competent way.
ago Thanks for the explaination. I have a doubt as in exams they r asking situations with multiple targets. So do we have to take account of the targets action as well before taking action for mca exams. Kindly advice. Eg. You have a target fwd of your beam on port bow. So as per 19 we can overtake on either side P or Something. But if we think of that target it shall not alter to stbd as we r on stbd abaft her beam in this case our answer should be broad alteration to stbd. Please advice. Thanks
Hey Mr. whats your first name? My bridge watch instructor likes to refer to you as Simon when he uses your videos in our class. And we all have different guesses as to what your name is, I'm pretty sure its Mathew. Thanks for the great videos by the way!
Vessel right astern in rv not taking action what will be our priority because she is overtaking and can alter to any side when taking action so what should be our priority
I've been told this is a common question asked in Oral examinations and from what Ive been told your action would be to alter course to port in consideration of the fact the vessel astern of you cannot alter course to Port for a vessel forward of her beam.(Defensive navigation)
I don’t think it’s just as simple as that, I mean you can’t just split the radar screen in four and one answer fits all. You have to finish the plot and find the course the other vessel, not finishing the plot is scanty information. Let’s say you have a vessel on your port bow and once you plot you can see that you abaft his beam, he will be altering course to starboard and with your reasoning you should be going to starboard too. That would not solve the situation but most probably make it worse. Just like if you had an other vessel behind you, you could alter to port or to starboard as he is neither on port or starboard side. Rule 13 does not apply here as it makes part of section 2 of part B and is only valid for rules in sight of one an other. You are duty bound to take action in such a situation.
You see, you got one detail wrong. The other vessel will alter her course to port since you are abaft on her starboard beam. And you're gonna alter course to starboard thereby entirely avoiding each other.
@@earl3736 if he is on my port bow and his ascetics red as you are overtaking him from his stern then he will have to turn to stab as he can’t alter towards a vessel abeam or abaft it. That’s why you need to know to finish the plot.
In your example, "a vessel on your port bow and once you plot you can see that you abaft his beam", by interpreting that, I think you are placing the detected vessel heading NW, and located N of our own ship, and our ownship heading NE. That 'should' put him in the top left quadrant of your radar, and as you say that would direct you to alter to starboard, and place our ownship in the targets bottom left quadrant directing them to alter to starboard. However the overlooked portion of this is the language in the rule stating 'IF a close quarters situation is developing, and/or risk of collision exists.' With a vessel travelling NW located North of a vessel travelling NE, there is little chance of collision, unless you are more than 22.5° abaft their beam which is overtaking. Also Rule 8 c) would apply for 'not resulting in another close quarters situation'.
RESTRICTED VISIBILITY. POWER DRIVEN VESSEL DETECTED RIGHT AHEAD ON RADAR. YOU HAVE A POWER DRIVEN VESSEL ABAFT ABEAM STARBOARD SIDE YOU ARE OVERTAKING. WHAT ARE YOUR ACTIONS
1. Determine whether risk of collision exists. 2. If RoC exists with both vessels, deal with it basis TCPA 3. If TCPA also same, follow 19 e - reduce speed or take all way off
Just make sure what is really intention of that subject, always use rule 5 and if u confirmed the risk of collission exist just take The CPA and take the rule 6 safe speed or use part B section 1 in any available the rule in applicable in that situation..
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Thank you for explanation. Here, however, is still a substantial doubt regarding Overtaking. Although we can use a Board to determine whether we are overtaking another vessel (based on its found true vector), Rule 13 still cannot be applied, as we are working with incomplete information (only from the radar, which we then transfer to the Board). We may hear another vessel but not see it, which prevents us from having a complete picture. According to the Rule 13 itself (paragraf 'b'), the determination of whether one vessel is overtaking another is to be made solely on the basis of visual aspects and visibility of the ship's lights, which becomes impossible in restricted visibility. This is further supported by the fact that Rule 13 belongs to Section II (Conduct of vessels IN SIGHT of one another), and, as one previous commentator rightly pointed out, it does not apply to the rules (actually, the sole rule) in Section III, to which Rule 19 belongs. This is confirmed by the first paragraph 'a' of Rule 13, stating "Notwithstanding, anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I and II,.." where Section III, and consequently, Rule 19, are not mentioned.
In short: Rule 13 classifies vessels into "Give-way" and "Stand-on" vessels that form the basis of the rules in Section II; however, such classifications do not apply under conditions of restricted visibility (Rule 19) - all vessels are expected to give way to each other in a competent way.
So much information in a video. Voala !! Thanks Mate .
Thank you, it is very clear
Thnks sir well explained
Great videos man. Pretty good work. Thank you a lot
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Thanks for the explaination. I have a doubt as in exams they r asking situations with multiple targets. So do we have to take account of the targets action as well before taking action for mca exams. Kindly advice. Eg. You have a target fwd of your beam on port bow. So as per 19 we can overtake on either side P or Something. But if we think of that target it shall not alter to stbd as we r on stbd abaft her beam in this case our answer should be broad alteration to stbd. Please advice. Thanks
A vessel on 1 point fwd of stbd beam action ? As per rule fwd of beam alter stbd but then it will be CQS
Hey Mr. whats your first name? My bridge watch instructor likes to refer to you as Simon when he uses your videos in our class. And we all have different guesses as to what your name is, I'm pretty sure its Mathew. Thanks for the great videos by the way!
Thank you from BD
Thank you
Vessel right astern in rv not taking action what will be our priority because she is overtaking and can alter to any side when taking action so what should be our priority
Appreciated, helped me out.
What happens if vessel is right behind of our vessel with more speed at 3 NM in restricted visibility??
Why not call them and ask them WTF they're doing? This would assume that THEY are overtaking you, and they should alter to port.
Drop 100 feet of floating line... then they won’t bother you
I've been told this is a common question asked in Oral examinations and from what Ive been told your action would be to alter course to port in consideration of the fact the vessel astern of you cannot alter course to Port for a vessel forward of her beam.(Defensive navigation)
@@navyg8rgirl ass hole vhf cannot be used as collision avoidance
I don’t think it’s just as simple as that, I mean you can’t just split the radar screen in four and one answer fits all. You have to finish the plot and find the course the other vessel, not finishing the plot is scanty information. Let’s say you have a vessel on your port bow and once you plot you can see that you abaft his beam, he will be altering course to starboard and with your reasoning you should be going to starboard too. That would not solve the situation but most probably make it worse. Just like if you had an other vessel behind you, you could alter to port or to starboard as he is neither on port or starboard side. Rule 13 does not apply here as it makes part of section 2 of part B and is only valid for rules in sight of one an other. You are duty bound to take action in such a situation.
You see, you got one detail wrong. The other vessel will alter her course to port since you are abaft on her starboard beam. And you're gonna alter course to starboard thereby entirely avoiding each other.
@@earl3736 if he is on my port bow and his ascetics red as you are overtaking him from his stern then he will have to turn to stab as he can’t alter towards a vessel abeam or abaft it. That’s why you need to know to finish the plot.
In your example, "a vessel on your port bow and once you plot you can see that you abaft his beam", by interpreting that, I think you are placing the detected vessel heading NW, and located N of our own ship, and our ownship heading NE. That 'should' put him in the top left quadrant of your radar, and as you say that would direct you to alter to starboard, and place our ownship in the targets bottom left quadrant directing them to alter to starboard.
However the overlooked portion of this is the language in the rule stating 'IF a close quarters situation is developing, and/or risk of collision exists.' With a vessel travelling NW located North of a vessel travelling NE, there is little chance of collision, unless you are more than 22.5° abaft their beam which is overtaking. Also Rule 8 c) would apply for 'not resulting in another close quarters situation'.
RESTRICTED VISIBILITY. POWER DRIVEN VESSEL DETECTED RIGHT AHEAD ON RADAR. YOU HAVE A POWER DRIVEN VESSEL ABAFT ABEAM STARBOARD SIDE YOU ARE OVERTAKING. WHAT ARE YOUR ACTIONS
I really hope you didn't comment this asking for help while at helm
@@PhreshSpice😂
1. Determine whether risk of collision exists.
2. If RoC exists with both vessels, deal with it basis TCPA
3. If TCPA also same, follow 19 e - reduce speed or take all way off
Just make sure what is really intention of that subject, always use rule 5 and if u confirmed the risk of collission exist just take The CPA and take the rule 6 safe speed or use part B section 1 in any available the rule in applicable in that situation..
@@bharathwajvasudevan9904 correct