This Rig SUCKS! Dropshot/Bounce/Cannonball Rig
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I love drop shot nymphing. I mostly use unweighted nymphs on a very short tag (pro tip too!!)so that the weight is at the end on the splitshot.....never get tangled except when it's windy.... I would say 80 % of my nymphing fishing is with this system and it's by far my favorite one...anyways I suck at fly fishing too.....😁
I started fly fishing last year (here in Utah) and have watched a number of your videos--which I find entertaining and informative.
One observation I have is that fly fishing can be complicated if you listen to too many people, you discover different opinions that are confusing. Reminds me back when I golfed--ages ago--as everyone has their opinion about your grip, your swing, etc.
Last year I heard on one of your videos that "there are no rules in fly fishing", so that is what I do.
I just enjoy getting out for a few hours, mostly by myself (I tend to be a loner), looking for fish, listening to the water rushing and the birds, spending time untangling my line, searching for pools to cast into. Perhaps I have missed a lot of fish, but even on awful casts I have hooked one....there have been times I stumble and my fly & line drop into the water and bingo! A fish!
it is a great day just to get out. If I catch a fish or two or more, than the day is even better.
I am having a blast.
Good point about listening to too many people. Sometimes I contemplate just selling all my gear with all the contradictory info out there. I’ve primarily stuck to Ben and Alvin for tutorials. Oh and of course father Tom
Hey, man are you me? Except for the "last year" part (me 47 yrs. flailing away) and the golfing part. Mark Twain called it "a lovely walk ruined"! Wonder what he'd say about fly fishing, ................was it even a thing in US back then? Hang on to that "first year attitude", they will try to insert many different attitudes into you over time as you pursue this sport, yes it's a sport not a "life style". ;D
@@rizzoblam It's a joke.
@@rizzoblam "lighten up Francis"
@@rizzoblam Right, there Are no rules for flyfishing, but there may also be no rules for You Tube posters. If you have a channel you can make your own rules, within reason, of course, to get past big brother watching you to see if you say bad stuff against the current administration. Stuff like we are heading for a recession/stagflation and you all better get your fishing gear NOW***, before it doubles or triples in price next year, like gas has in some places, like CA,&NY, in the past year! ;D LOL *** yes, that part seriously!
For sure you can't "fly cast" this rig if by fly cast you mean casting with tight loops but heck indicator nymph rigs, bounce or not you can't "fly cast" a tight loop and not tangle. The thing about the "bounce rig" or drop shot rig that makes sense is that it eliminates the hinge point between split shot above the flies. With the weight above the flies, before the strike is registered on the indicator, the weight has to be lifted so that the hinge point is eliminated. With drop shot nymphing the strike is registered sooner as the flies are already in a straight line with the indicator. It's just more sensitive. Not really sure I get the tangles part. I haven't noticed anymore propensity to tangle than a rig where the weight is above the flies. Just water load or cast with a real open loop.
I hate nymphing as much as the next guy, but I learned drop shotting from Our unquestionable leader Kelly Galloup, and caught my PB rainbow. It casts way better than putting the weight ahead of the flies and gets down quicker than a beadhead. I prefer swinging wets and slapping hoppers, but when it's freezing out I dont have much a choice.
How DARE you spread this sacrilege. Tom Rosenbauer is our unquestionable leader.
My thought has always been that you can detect subtle strikes better because the fish doesn't have to move the spilt shot for your strike indicator to drop. That bobber goes down as soon as the fish gets the fly in their mouth (in theory). However, I usually get fed up with the droppers and after one tangle just go back to a normal in line rig. This is a solid rig when you need a LOT of weight to get down fast, but I usually just go find softer and shallower water.
Always love a good roast from the Huge Fly Fisherman. Another classic.
yep, totally agree! between that and the comments from all of the "super serious" fly fisher folk....it's just classic.
Love the huge fly fisherman videos, keep em coming!
You're right about everything! The perfect fly fisherman who never does anything different from my exact rigs.
Thanks Ben. I have only used that rig when is hit a spot of the river that is narrow, deep, and current is fast. So in short when I don't think a beaded nymph sinks in time before the current takes it to the end of the drift.
Yep on the Beaverhead, but my guide in 2019 tied the weights on a separate line above the double nymphs. It’s basically chuck and duck, it catches fish but I lost feeling in my fingers after a full day of this. Had I known what we were in for I would’ve asked we stick to throwing hoppers on the Madison like we did the day before.
I was always wondering what underwear a huge fly fisherman wears, i learn so much from this UA-cam.
Perfect, I'm going fishing Thursday and I've looking for a new nymph rig system!
Tangles. The most important lesson for tangles is realizing that 75% of the time it's faster and less frustrating to simply cut and start over.
Who would of known that some splitshot and tippet rings would cause such a rift in the fly fishing community.
@@rizzoblam I'm thinkin, from your comments, you should probably watch someone else's channel.
@@rizzoblam It's not a hard stance lmao.
Have you ever dogged on your friends? Had fun? Engaged in sarcasm?
If you answered no to any of these, you might need to rethink your perspective and not take things so seriously.
@@todd1hd 😆😆😆
so what do you use? in one of your videos you mentioned the hi lo rig which is pretty much the same as the drop shot i tangled almost every cast wont use that rig again! or do you put the weight above the hi lo rig?
Love how you use humor tell folks to bugger off. Well done.
Instead of split shot, I just tie 10-11 tippet rings at the end of my rig. Isn't quite as heavy as split shot but it does the job and I don't have to worry about tying a knot to keep my split shot from falling off.
The weight on the bottom of this "bounce" rig slows the presentation down so it's a more natural drift speed along the bottom and also keeps the flies at a good level for feeding trout for a longer period.
A little "bounce nymphing" history: I have fished the Provo River since the early 70's and talked to old timers that were using a version of the "bounce rig" since the 1930's. This is pre-monofilament days and they used cat gut, silk lines and bamboo fly rods, without indicators or bobbers, and often fished with bait or artificial flies interchangeably. I'm sure it was used elsewhere too, but was written about as a Provo River technique. With the advent of nylon monofilament and better spinning reels after World War II, many of these anglers switched to spinning tackle to do "bounce nymphing", which allowed them to cover more water with flies and catch more fish.
When I started fishing on the Provo in the 70's most of the "experts" fished flies on spinning tackle (or underspin or automatic fly reels on a flyrod). Still no bobbers, just bouncing by feel. The next evolution was using the thin fly lines called "Cortland Deep Nymphing Line" in the 80's to help get better drifts while "high stick nymphing". It's an early version of what most people call Euro nymphing now, that expert Joe Humphries made popular on Pennsylvania streams too. As strike indicators became popular in the early 80's, anglers added them to the Provo bounce rigs. The next natural adaptation was using a more modern fly fishing outfit with a strike indicator and a bounce rig. As the Provo got fished hard, the trout became very fast fly tasters and the indicator really helped quick strike detection. It's like combining tight line nymphing from the weights to the indicator and slack line nymphing from the indicator to the rod. In the last 10 years or so, I have also used bounce nymphing rigs on tenkara rods to help get more natural drifts and it works extremely well! Rig however you want but bounce nymphing works very well. My 2 cents worth!
I use this rig almost exclusively, but im using it for Halibut from shore in central California. 20lb fluro, 3/0--4/0 EWG Superline (reinforced) hook and a white zoom super fluke, add a little ProCure anchovy scent and a 1oz torpedo sinker. I dont have any of these problems, but I guess my use case Is quite different lol.
Love your videos. Keep keeping it reel👍
I'm a Utah boy who has used this rig before. I've had raging success with it in specific scenarios, but I don't fish it often. It is money in high flow scenarios where you need to slow down the fly, and I've landed really big fish on it when I would have never got the flies in front of the fish without it, but it definitely has its drawbacks and isn't my primary setup. Never lost a fish on it, but have definitely had to cut it loose when a big fish starts rolling in the net. That being said, the fish likely wouldn't have been stabbed in the face without it those days
I usually texas rig a 4 inch split tail fluke on my dripshot rig. The standard dropshot hooks snag everything
I love it thanks, I use a tippet ring 🤣🤣🤣
But I get it, I enjoy your style. It does not matter what I do I get tangled up all the time. Well a lot of the time. I enjoy laughing at myself because I do a lot of what you talk about. But you have also help me in numerous way as well! Keep it up and stay huge👍
@@rizzoblam Hey Jon,
I love the tippet ring used in the right way. I don’t take offense by what Ben says. I just laugh at myself. He really does not mean anything malicious. I really enjoy a lot of the stuff that he does. I have a fun time learning from him. I can’t wait till Monday’s at 7am. Stay safe and you never know we may meet up👍
@@rizzoblam 🤣🤣🤣🤓
Oh Jon, when I lose a fish and see a pigtail at the end of my tippet I just want to scream. But that doesn’t happen as much lately. He is very opinionated but I would rather have wounds from a friend than kisses from the enemy 🧐
I am 65 and man how I wish I knew what these young folks know when I was that age.
In my early twenties I fished every day. Then in my thirty’s work got in my way. Now I am back at fishing almost every day again. I never did guided trips before but I have done two this year. And have at least two more planned. The South Holston and the Watauga Tail waters. I am kinda of a blue liner. But as the water heats up I will use my 9wt and target some Stripers.
I live outside the Atlanta metro area. And fish North Ga. It’s just getting harder to get around and I know my time is getting limited. I enjoy a lot of these folks. Any way have a safe season and stay huge🤣🤣🤣👍
im so glad to learn there are no rules in fly fishing! in def going to put a live nightcrawler on my nymph the next time i go out :)
Not gonna lie as a teen I did that for super finicky bass that I could only seem to catch on live bait. Since then I use wooly buggers and small streamers and do well
I started using this rig 20+ years ago. Copied it off someone who was catching more fish. Liked it immediately because I snagged bottom less, and I thought it made fish hooking sense because of how it kept rod-to-fly tension, and I thought I caught more fish. But after a few years I got tired of tangles around feisty fish, so went back to weight above. Though Kelly Galloup and I guess plenty of others including euronymphers who put the heavier fly on point, think there is no bad price to pay, I'm with Huge - prefer weight above.
You had me at “more beer drinking time.”😊
As a Utah local who’s primary fishery is THE PROVO river, this is hilarious!
I’m sorry to hear. Please stay in your waters as all your buddies come to our state’s waters. None of us go to the Provo so none of us are trading u
Ha ha
@@donotrobme9295 can confirm. Idaho is full enough as is
@@donotrobme9295 Well I sure as shit see y’all at the green so I think I’ll come and go as I please
@@cjamesmckay never been. I’m sure u r right and u obviously can come, it’s legal. But I’ve never been to the green, although I hear of lots of people talking about the part in wyo. keep fishing all u want. If I was in Utah at the green I’d rush too, just never been.
@@cjamesmckay Just what in the GD hell you think you are? An American? Still free, for a while longer, eh? :D
great stuff as usual! I see that many here need to try to find a sense of humor....lol (or maybe they take themselves a little too seriously). Keep up the good work!
As an FYI, here in California the drop shot rig is illegal on moving water.
yeah, guess there are alternatives to lead shot.
Came here to laugh but now I’m crying missing my days dredging the Provo with turds and worms 😭
I always figured it was called the Provo bounce rig because on any given week there’s a couple hundred guides dredging with bounce rigs.. The Provo like many swift rivers can be tough to effectively get your flys deep enough.. my clients were usually too green for bounce rigs tho, it would be an absolute birds nest of broken dreams in 10-15 casts 😂
Agree with this one. Terrible to cast and a lack of sensitivity/connection with your flies.
If you fish it in line the weight will pull your flies. Especially if you fish barbless. If you fish tags, not so much. I don't love the dropshot, but I did learn to fly fish on the Provo and yes we call it the Provo Bounce Rig.👍
Waded the Beaverhead last week and fished said drop shot rig with a guide. Waterload and chuck, waterload and chuck…all day. I don’t think my shoulder will ever be the same, but it catches fish.
I can hear the screeches echoing across the Lower Provo all the way from Maryland.
Also, lol @ the dudes writing essays in the comments.
I neither laughed nor learned. That makes this your best video yet.
Great video, as usual,
Very true for the Beaverhead river comment.
I like dropshots and bobbers. Untangling lines is what I do best, especially in the dead nuts of winter.
DUDE!! This works with the right type of fly rod, makes casting MUCH easier. Some call it a spinning rod but it'll make that baby FLY!!
Cought my first fish on a dry droppers the other day felt huge!
You are not wrong about everything! That said, sometimes you need the tech stuff to help out, especially if you suck at fly fishing. Time is limited, on this big rock, and it's good to spend time fishing and not fly casting, which can be done back on your big green lawn. But it also sucks to keep loading up your fave creek with lead shot, eh? ;D
Glad I didn't have a mouth full of coffee when you showed the picture of "weight at the bottom". I would have sprayed the laptop and made a mess.
right, or drinking a coke, that would have come out of my nostrils!! :D
The vast majority of what you are saying is spot on. However, there is a place for this rig and using properly spaced droppers can eliminate most tangles with it. I still prefer nymphing in other ways most of the time.
Basically I am saying don't throw away the tools just because you don't use them very often.
The most important thing I got out today’s video is the importance of beer time.
Keeping the tippet ring hate up. Great work!
@@rizzoblam dude, this is a joke. It's fly fishing it doesn't matter (at all) how you do it. I use them and think this is a hilarious position to take
For me, it is very important to be using a fly rod with a slower action so the casting motion takes an oval path where the weight is constantly under tension until release. Also sometimes it is better to use a spinning rod to fish the depths.
Mmm, sounds like just one step away from attaching a rubber worm to the end of your fly line
Being someone from Utah who lives literally 2 minutes from the Provo River I must say I was surprised to hear the rig from hell referred to as "the Provo bounce rig".
I used to euro nymph and have eventually ended up as a dropshot fisherman. Really isnt worth it unless you are using a euro setup rod/reel/line because it is not castable. great for pockets in fast current though
The Bounce Rig was invented on the Provo River. I live in Provo and met the guy’s son who invented it.
I took a fly fishing class at BYU, the local university, and met Dr. Ramon Zabriskie. He is older and his dad was the first pro bass fisherman of Utah. Dr. Z’s dad created the rig in the 60s or 70s.
The original rig used a fly rod with a spinning reel. Weight was on the bottom and some longer droppers were attached like you showed. They would fish it just like euro nymphing and Dr. Z said his dad’s method gave birth to euro nymphing.
Dr Z. and his dad got made fun of and people would say they weren’t really fishing. The problem was they caught so many fish people copied it. The Zabriskie bounce rig became the Provo bounce rig and now people call it just the bounce rig.
Dr. Z wouldn’t teach it in class because he said it was too effective and took the fun out of fishing. I asked him to show me how to fish it with my floating line the last day of class, and boy did I catch fish.
All ways of fishing are valid, but you’ll catch more fish if you learn that method. Intermediate sinking lines work best with 10” droppers. It puts the food right in their face. Use more leads than you think you should.
I asked Dr. Z about fly fish food’s rig, they’re local. He said it’s a little much. The bounce rig is not complicated.
no one actually cares...but, do you have an autographed hat? That would be super cool.
@@clarkman23 if nobody cares about origins then yeah. It’s just another excellent way to catch fish, but gill nets are excellent too.
I’ll get u an autograph when I take his advanced ff class.
@@clayfullmer soooo, you have an autographed hat? cool bro'...lol..."I took a fly fishing class...." hahaha! this is absolutely classic! Clearly you're in the group of "take themselves a little too seriously" keep at it there bud, you'll "get it" eventually...
@@clarkman23 I think he is brilliantly putting everyone one with his "masters thesis" on this subject!! Or I could be wrong, and he's SIRIUS, like "out there"! LOL ;D
Ben! Your wrong about everything, but we all love you anyway! Stay Huge!
....and the Best Comment award goes to:.................... Todd!!
Did I hear you say “fishing pole”?
Definitely laughing *with* you, Ben.
Spot on. Everything you said here is true. Been there, done that, and it sucks.
I never even heard of dropshot rigs for fly fishing only spinner and bait casters. I hate putting on spit shot I try to just use weighted nymphs and if I do need it I use the smallest ones I can get away with
What's a Huck and Chuck Rig then??
Happy huge day everyone!
You’re wrong about everything! Except a few things, but then you’re right about everything else. That double chair picture is hilarious!😂 I’ll Never use this rig, I mostly fish for Largemouth and your Slider and Dedeauxs poppers and snakes are the top of my list, because they catch Huge trophy bass. Thank you Ben, really appreciate your great content and hard work! 👍👍🎣
Yeah that 2 chairs thing reminds me of a totally non-PC routine, back in the day, a stand-up comic guy did about "Big Butted Women"! One line was: "Her butt was so big, that when she hauled ass, she had to make two trips"!! And it "devolved" from there! :D LOL
One of my favorite things to do is take my Provo bounce rig to neighboring states. Everyone is so friendly.
I just fish water where I don’t need to use split shot - my weighted nymphs work just fine getting down to the bottom. Seems to be working well for me.
It is a pain in the ass to cast , but I have used it in very specific applications like getting to the bottom of deep runs quick . Other then that no . Thanks for the video
Provo fisherman getting all hurt haha
Can your next video be a Tenkara drop shot rig?
:D
100% agree with you on the toilet bowl!😂😂😂
I LOVE NYMPHING! But I will never use that rig…ever.
I am a huge fan tying on a single nymph, weighting it properly and throwing it in the water. I hate split shot, but I use it when necessary to get the fly down. I find all these complicated nymph rigs to be annoying, but that's just me. If you like them, I say knock yourself out.
No swipe at tenkara? Damn!
To be completely honest i thought this was just a bass rig.
Same. I had no idea people used this as a fly rigs.
Pure gold
Hmmmmmmm...... me thinks you gave up on this type of nymphing too early. I fish it with flies attached to the tippit via tags, as apposed to inline, and can honestly say I have never lost a fish (as far as I know) from the weight of the split shot pulling the fly out of the fish's mouth. Either way, all that matters is that you're fishing. How you catch fish is just an interesting afterthought.
I hate this rig and it's the hardest setup to use, (for me) but it catches me a ton of fish. It takes a lot of practice to use to use this setup as well. Oh, and one wrong cast or a good gust of wind and you have your self a nice birds nest to untangle.
Nailed it
Can I fish this rig with my tenkara rod? (I'm missing your tenkara insults so here's a softball for you.).
the "tenkara rod fly" no longer works; he's seen it a lot. Cast something having to do with beer or chicken to get a rise out of Ben!!
Casting split shot sucks. Great set up for spinning gear though.
Provo is my home water and I almost exclusively swing soft hackles, sometimes streamer fish. Dries when I'm lucky. I know nymphing is more effective but it's boring. Best fisherman on the water uses black rubber worms on spin gear. Deadly
Kelly Gallup sure likes the drop shot rig. I've never used it but I'm getting ready to try it. It makes sense in theory. I get tangled any time I use a 2 fly set up and a split shot any way, so I'm gonna give it a whirl. I can see where the split shot at the end could cause you to lose a fish. I don't know why but seems like when I'm numphing, the fish hardly ever get airborne, which is when I'd expect to see that happen. Anyways, another good video!
I love a bounce rig
I just tie a knot on the bottom section, so it will loose 25-75% strength, if the weight is caught up. That way I don't need more than one kind of line.
I've fished this rig a few times, but after watching this video NEVER AGAIN! 👍😄
I don't even drop shot for bass on a spin rig
Our Gear Restricted Rivers and Streams here in Michigan don't even allow this rig. Typically the "Gear Restricted" is Fly Only stretches of the river/stream. Unless I am Bass fishing with Spin Gear, the Drop Shot Rig looks allot like what a snagging set up looks like, in my opinion.
Fuck this, I'm joining the googan squad.
good one. I'm with you on tippet rings, bounce rigs and most of your stuff.
This person is a tippet ring
You're right about everything.
Tippet rings are from the devil 😂
You are so " right on "
I couldn't agree more.
Hey this is an awesome rig to drown your squirmy warms with. It does suck to cast. Funny video though I think Cheech could kick your ass haha.
Cheech? Is he still with Chong?! Good stuff that, back in the day!! :D
I was fishing some high water on Penns Creek in PA and became a complete heretic fishing a dropshot rig on a euro rig system. It worked and I caught fish but yes, I untangled after every catch...definitely helped me get in contact and keep the tight line but mostly because I am terrible as a fly fisher...
No rules in fly fishing just boosted my confidence 100%. I just try to follow the fishing etiquettes (stay away from everyone).
A drop shot style of rigging does not make a bounce rig in and of itself. I've actually fished the true "bounce" rig on the actual freaking Beaverhead and YES, that whole deal sucks for all the reasons mentioned in the video. But those short comings do not carry over when you dial back the weight and use a smaller indicator and treat it as just another indi rig.
WOW....this is twice today..........
I never got guys who run this rig all the time. I’ve seen people fish these rigs directly upstream… while wading. I don’t get it.
Chuck-N-Duck rig, almost as bad as euro nymphing...
I lose a lot more shot than flies on the drop shot rig. You do lose a few fish-- especially with barbless hooks.
Well you are wrong! I am sure that got some attention...i dont even like a dropshot on a spinning reel fishing for bass. I bet a dropshot would work great with tenkara...😎
I'm going to change the subject. How about a "name my next fish" I like Flemwad' Stay Huge
Naming fish you've caught is pretty lame, even though Ben does it. Fish have their own names; and we "monkeys" can't pronounce them anyway! :D
Just saying you like inline rigs says it all about your fishing
You're doing it wrong. Untangling time is beer time.
I didn’t even think that was a thing for fly fishing. I’ve used it successfully with plastic worms on a grassy line with spinning gear whilst fishing for bass. I might of saw a couple Scottish dudes in Alaska doing it while trying to snag salmon. I kept seeing the lobbing this huge weight at the end of their fly line. I was scratching my head, but thought that’s how they do it across the pond. Oh well, good to know