Forza Motorsport VS Gran Turismo 7 Nissan Silvia S15 Comparison In Depth Car Model Details
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Join us in this comprehensive comparison between Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo 7, focusing on the iconic Nissan Silvia S15. We dive deep into the intricacies of car modeling, showcasing how each game represents this beloved vehicle.
Whether you're a die-hard fan of Forza, a Gran Turismo enthusiast, or just love the Silvia S15, this video is for you. Get ready for a detailed analysis, side-by-side comparisons, and expert insights into these two titans of the racing game world. Don't forget to share your thoughts in the comments and subscribe for more in-depth car comparisons!
Stevie Wonder wouldn't even approve of this model.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yep, blind man on a galloping horse!
They actually modeled the serial numbers onto the side marker lenses in GT7. Wow.
They are crazy!
@@AutomotiveVP and they did that starting in GT5. In GT6 for example the Fisker Karma has awesome headlights that are like the ones shown in this video
@@ggtontoyono Yep, i remember a bunch of cars from GT5 with little details and marking on the lamps...
Further proof that GT cares about their cars
All day!
Some of them.
Takes 270 days to make one according to them
I'm also disappointed that when you upgrade the exhaust in Forza it's appearance stays stock, but GT7 every exhaust changes style.
Yup, a lot of people don't notice this.
also if tuned more the flames have different color!
I dont even realized that is a thing on gt7 lol
yeah same with suspension (car will visually lower), brakes (visually change), tires compounds (visually change), and intercoolers (visually change). the flame size with antilag and upgraded turbos will change based as well as the sound. the only thing I wish they would add is visual changes for superchargers. for example, the ford gt, you can see the engine bay through the rear glass. but if you upgrade the supercharger it doesn't visually change. small gripe, but much better than forza
GT7 looks and feels like it's at least 5 years ahead despite Forza Motorsport being a newer game
FM8 is "new", but they used models from FM4.
@@SzymonL8 The Silvia's model has been used since the first game.
@SzymonL8 I remember being like 7 playing fm4 lol, they should not be using 10 year old car models
Ive actually sat in a S15 and let me tell you that GT7 is so damn close to perfection in their model. There are details that normal people wouldnt even notice in 1000 years like the logo on the side indicators
Forza on the other hand is if you asked someone to model it from memory.
Forza does this thing with paint where every car has easily visible orange peel. Some cars have orange peel and some don't. Hell some have orange peel on a few panels and others don't. T10 just threw it on every car and made the paint reflect like a mirror regardless of paint type.
Ok buddy😂
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the fuck is an Orange Peel?
It's banana skin @@ZedNinetySix_
The ripple effect in the paint @@ZedNinetySix_
@@ZedNinetySix_
The texture of a less than perfect paint job mimics that of an orange peel/skin.
I wanna share a quick fact I found recently on GT7:
LM55 VGT, the cable connecting the steering wheel to the car in the cockpit moves with the g forces of the car.
I didn’t expect that level of detail from GT7 today
Been there since GTSport I think. Theres a lot of details you wouldn't expect to be in a game but then theres GT7 with it's almost perfect replay mode, models and lightning.
I like how you said "today" because there's every chance you'll find something new and awesome another day.
I like the fumes from exhausts on replays, distorting the visuals... Probably been there since gt3 or 4 I'm not sure... Doubt forza does it, I can't be fkd playing it to check because it's such a disgrace.
Yeah, I was doing a lap around the Nürburgring and also saw it, and I was like, 'No way!
All the race cars with cables do that since GT Sport, stop Columbusing.
@@STRIDER_503 what’s colombusing?
Been playing GT since the first game when it released so I consider myself a massive GT fan. I have not bought any MTX on the game ever and will never do that either. GT7 isn’t perfect but it’s still an incredible game and I always look forward to new stuff in the game.
100% with you mate!
GT 7 is the best sim for console hands down there’s nothing comes close GT sport races are HELLA FUN
Just finished a QL on Dragon 🐉 tail reverse got a 1:40 top 10k !
@@darkrevenge950 Yea I 💯 agree, even tho most say it’s Simcade, but truth be told it’s not! It’s a driving sim
@@AutomotiveVP some might say that but show me another Sim racer on (console) I’d rather play GT anyday over the sweaty i racing BS to me is not fun GT has the great balance and the visuals of Gran turismo are unmatched in detail .. I’m a little biased been playing Grand daddy turismo since day one PS1 days through ps5
They should add a "garage mode" in GT7 for non VR players so we could freely explore the car models as well. Similar to what they do with Forzavista.
I completely agree. Additionally, there should be an option to start the car yourself, like turning the key to hear the beauty of the car's engine.
@@AutomotiveVPdoesn't GT7 already sort of have that? Like you choose a car and it starts up no?
Yeah, they already have that. I mean, it would be nice to do it yourself on the track, start it up, haha.@@Anigaming-dz5gh
@@AutomotiveVP ah that kinda start up, yea that would be cool. Imagine you gotta do it LM style, there'd be a cutscene of you going into the car but at the pit lane you have to start it yourself.
I love the head shake at 8:25 like you're in disbelief Turn 10 would produce such garbage and label it as built from the ground up.
"Built from the ground up" has nothing to do with assets. Assets aren't the game, they're just models. "Built from the ground up" means that the game was re-coded from scratch, not that everything in the game was rebuilt. That's _catastrophically_ stupid and inefficient game development; every smart developer re-uses as many assets as they possibly can.
@@alondite215 6 years to recode track surface to correctly collide with the new tire model, fuel mechanics, day night cycle and rain for 6 years....ok bud. They tauted time and time again all their assets were built from the ground up. Every tracks, every car. If the game wasn't built from the ground up cool, don't market it as such. People seriously need to hold Turn 10 responsible for a trash game, instead of defending it. Why? Because they will continue releasing games in this state because people are willing to pay for lower than mediocre effort.
@@ClarenceThompkins You've clerly never programmed a video game if you think that's all that goes into it lol.
And no, they never said anything about the assets, they said the _game._ Assets are not the game.
Trash game because of irrelevant things like assets? Sure thing bug. You're exactly why gamers criticizing developers is fucking hilarious because you know fuck all about game development. Or declaring that a game is trash when you wouldn't know good game design if it fucked you in the mouth.
But hey, you play video games for fun so you're an expert on all things video games lol.
Again the materials just look real on GT, plastic looks like plastic, metal looks like metal, glass looks like glass.
And every material looks like cheap toy plastic on Forza
This is what I say all the time, and it goes a long way with me.
Exactly! People bashed GT7 because of microtransactions but the cars or tracks are not behind a paid DLC, like day one car pass or VIP pass and so go on.
Another point is the "always online" thing. Here in Brazil, some Xbox fanboys websites kept talking about this, saying that Forza never had this problem...but when the new FM got released, nobody pointed at it and said "WTF!!??". I have a Series X and a PS5 and like both. I'm a big fan of GT and FM. But I won't defend a half baked game like the new FM.
Nordschleife? No. Imola? No? Bathrust? No. Is this a racing game?
Cheers from Brazil!
Yeh man I was hyped to get FM8, I enjoyed them since 5 & 6 on my xbone and apparently they were the shit ones 🤷🏻♂️. But this new one is awful, it's a disgrace they launched it in this state, it's a utter insult to consumers that they'd serve up this shit and think we'd be happy with it.
Needs at least another year of content and polish to be worth $100.
You are correct mate! 100% much love from UK
@@deezmacnutz3400 Exactly. I'm playing Forza since FM3. FM4 is the best for me. FM5 brought new graphics. FM6 brought the challenge to race in the rain, puddles, more tracks and cars. FM7 brought better graphics, dynamic weather and more cars. FM8 brought disappointment...
I like both the Forza Motorsports series and the Gran Turismo series. I consistently won't touch the latest entries in either series because of the "always online" DRM.
@@SteveBrandon I'm 43 yaers old and I have to say that I don't like this "always online" thing too. These service type games, beside of the fact that you need internet to play solo, always put some content in seasons, week events and so go on. I think that half of the cars from Forza Horizon 5 are locked behind this type of stuff. If you lost the week, you lost the car. They do everything to keep the players coming back in a bad way (at least for me).
Like I said, I don't like this type of business but I like to play FH5, The Crew Motorfest and GT7. I kinda dumped the Motorsport, mostly beacause the career is empty, leveling cars are boring as hell and lock the progress.
To resume the whole thing: I don't like always online, but if the game is good, I play it. But I won't become a "hostage" of season content and I won't pay for a single DLC (except in FH5 that I bought the map expansion because I can play offline)
I was one of the people who let the hate and review bombs discourage them from buying GT7 until almost a year later. I wish I got it on release.
Awwww, noooo, yeah, it did a lot of damage for no reason, sadly.
With their stupid daily reward system I still refuse to buy it.
You can literally get a pool without any vehicles using a six-star reward ticket...
@@STRIDER_503What are you even talking about? The daily ticket is just an extra for driving 26 miles each day, you don't even have to use those tickets and simply play the game like it doesn't exist. You liars really reach for complaints just to try and act like the game is bad for "you". The lies people post in comments sections are just amazing to read. "The daily reward system is so bad I won't buy the game" who the hell is going to believe that nonsense?!?! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@STRIDER_503boo fucking hoo. That is such a small “issue” to bitch about.
Tis model in FM looks like T10 couldn't get the licence so changed it enough to be able to add it in. It's so bad it makes me wonder how it was ticked off to be put in the game.
Might as well of left it out at this point!
Actually that's incorrect, of they couldn't get the license the car wouldn't be in the game. They just didn't or couldn't get an actual car to collect the data. Most of their cars are outsourced, even the tracks are outsourced. GT developer does this all themselves which is why they take a while and why their cars exhibit almost the same level of quality across the board.
@evilformerlys4704 i think you misunderstood my comment slightly. I wasn't saying that they didn't get a licence to use the car. I'm merely comparing how bad the model is. It's so bad, it looks like games that make cars look similar but not exact to real cars in order to get around licencing.
As for how they obtain their data, I'm not completely sure, but there are millions of photos and videos on the internet to obtain this data or at least compare their work with to make aure its accurate. They just seemingly got lazy. I've seen kids make more accurate models for AC on PC that are self taught.
Its insane that Forza is still using car models since Forza Motorsport in 2005. Nearly 20 years later.
FM graphics either too shiny or too matt but nonetheless it is "Built from the ground up"
It is not built from the ground up its very cleared at this point, their is still many inaccurate car models they have recycled going back to the first forza motorsport
@@andreasmoller9798thats the joke
Great joke they are lying bitches..build from the ground up...my ass😂
It's like they added shine to try and pass it off as "NEXT GEN" nothing but a cheap GTA mod mate
even many s15 in older games were accurate than forza
Even Real Racing 3, a mobile game, have a better s15 model than Forza
@@MayconLuizDznTM ikr 🗣️
@@MayconLuizDznTM Dang 😂
Man they don't realize car pack on forza and acc is lock under mtx while in GT7 money pack is optional and you get dlc track and cars for free
Most games have locked cars behind DLC, No one says S****
The car models are incredible on gt7 I just don't like the gameplay personally but I agree it didn't deserve the hate it got Motorsport is really not upto par for this generation but I do prefer the gameplay of Motorsport I think the handling Is more fun for me just ashame the rest of the game is pretty poor
I like too the gameplay on forza motorsport, but i love the cockpit view on gran turismo 7, the annimations are very smooth
And that is totally fine; I can see why Forza is more appealing to some.
you either play a game or play a realistic car model photo maker. what a time to live in
You either play a half-backed game or you go inside the photorealistic game and take your best cars around the Nürburgring@@TheCapitalWanderer
I tell you why...Forza is more arcade, easyer to drive, GT7 is way more a sim..you need some skills😉
On that fog light they even have the raised nissan logo on the glass. It's a detail that is unnecessary but amazing that it's there.
i was blown away when looking at the diablo gt in vr. the rear fans actually spin
Fm uses the same recycled model from the first forza motorsport game, its big joke, the built from the ground up bs talk has caught up to,them and this is far from the only bad car model in forza have a look at skyline r32 to its a complete disaster, and both those car models is beautiful in gt7, both cars are also in need for speed heat witch also is better models than forza,
that whole "but the game is filled with micro transactions" rant is so effing true. people crying because they cant easily get a 20mil car have never played other GT's. You just earned a follower!
Thanks, mate! This is the problem with gaming nowadays; you can unlock everything in 30 minutes. What's the point? In GT, I have to decide which car I want to buy and debate with myself. Should I keep saving, or do I buy this new toy for the Nürburgring? Haha, and that's fun. Buying every car in 30 minutes makes the game stale for me.
@@AutomotiveVP NP, you should view the 1961 Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta Passo Corto in VR and check out the attention to detail in the front wheels. You can see the effing wheel weights lol
I'm going to check that out after work! @@MrBurnTheClutch
I love how you're the only one who called out digital foundry video for the b******* that it was, and this is somebody who religiously watches digital foundry videos as they come out. I was expecting them to finally shut up the Forza fanboys and the idiots on the Internet, and then they kinda doubled down on they're nonsense saying that us GT fans were bullying the Forza fanboys, no we don't even give a f*** about Forza we were just defending our racing game, I hope you continue to be brutally honest because I've kinda lost faith in digital foundry after they GT7 VS FM8 video they turned off HDR they download texture packs for Forza and they did a few other things wrong to bring GT down to Forzas level kinda slimy and untrustworthy in my opinion I've seen some people choose really ugly car colors that don't reflect much to make GT7s cars look like toys in they're comparisons, I also love how DF kept saying "gt7 looks for realistic but that doesn't mean better" okay so wtf are we comparing for? They are both driving simulators based on real cars and real tracks so if your not gonna judge them on realism what are you judging them on? DF wanted to shut up GT fans and make Forza fans feel good they didn't want to compare anything
I agree with you, but the funny thing is that about 90% of forza people in the comments are ALSO shitting on Forza and praise GT7. Gt7 is just THAT good
Bro, I even lost subs for doing that, saying I was wrong, lol. I mean, cya haha. If you can't notice how dirty they played that and you defend them for it, you're a part of the problem, and that's why they do things like this. They should have ripped Forza apart.
It's kinda crazy to think before Forza added (to horizon) the ray tracing thing where the car can reflect it's own parts on itself, I never really cared about it, because I had never noticed.
but now it's so clear to me that, in gt7, although it's absolutely insanely more detailed and better in every single aspect, the lack of this ray tracing thing bothers me now, not being able to see the reflection of the rear wing on the car for example...
if GT adds this one thing, it'll literally have beaten Forza in every way
that's coming from a Forza fan btw, I've played every single forza since FM3, and I love Forza to death. That's why it's so sad to see how the developers seem to have just lost the dedication they had before. Forza is really falling behind lately, and it just looks outdated even being brand new
I never understood the hate on GT7 when the game came out either. Every game has DLC and micro transactions. Polyphony literally add cars and tracks for free.
Yea, it makes no logical sense! It's such a shame!
It must take a staggering amount of hours and effort to create even a single car in GT7, and new ones occasionally drop in updates completely free.
The MTX whinging has never made any sense, either. Just by playing the Cafe Menus, Circuit Experiences, Licences, Missions etc while being fast enough to get Gold/1st has you drowning in Credits and top end cars as prizes. I have more gifted cars than I’ve even got round to trying, yet.
And they add PSVR2 support in a free update which transformed the game into something else for me.
PD are busting balls daily. I’ve never needed to buy credits, but I happily did after the PSVR2 update, and again after the Spec II update, as both made me come back and get into it all over again, and I personally wanted to show some love, even though I or anyone else doesn’t need to.
They never gave us the Koenigssegg
When they say "built from the ground up" is not strictly a lie, they just didn't say when!
Let me tell you something funny: Wreckfest has some DLCs & there's a mockup Nissan Skyline R33 GTS-T called Razor & a mockup Toyota A70 Supra called Speedemon.
Those are mockups and they're banger cars that has a lot of cosmetic parts taken out, yet they look way closer to their IRL counterpart compare to the ones from Forza.
I really couldn't care less about MTX...one thing that really bothered me it was the structure of the game i would like a more GT4 approach and more content like drift events drag events, they can even add them now if they wanted..
bit out of the blue but your channel is a very good inspiration to up my 3d modeling skills, I have been teaching myself how to model cars quickly but not how to model them accurately, thank you! not that I am ever reaching the modeling quality of gt7 (yet) but I am taking a couple of pages out of their books.
Hello, I hope you don't watch my channel and think I'm criticizing the car models because they are poorly built. Whether you're a single developer, an indie studio, or even a AAA studio, the models don't matter too much, unless there are misleading claims in the marketing. That's why I occasionally critique Forza's models. I just wanted to clarify that. Anyway, I didn't have time to reply earlier as I was at work. I'm currently working on a video to assist modders and developers. If you provide me with the correct angles of the cars, I'll take pictures for you and upload them to UA-cam with a free downloadable pack containing high-resolution photos. I'm also directing my own game, as mentioned in my bio. I've built this channel not only for car gamers but also for developers. It would be great to know what would be useful for you. I would love to work with you.
Please don't assume that if your cars aren't on the same level as those from professional game development studios, people will think they are of poor quality. It's important to remember that those studios have entire teams and budgets dedicated to creating highly detailed cars in controlled environments.
@@AutomotiveVP thats completely fair, the misleading marketing the forza team has been using is bordering on being sue-able, its even comedic to an extent.
fair enough I replied a little too late aswell because I was asleep lmao.
I would love to see the next video from you, as I am a hobbyist dev who barely knows what he's doing, like yeah I have passed the biggest hurdles like the physics model and AI, and all the technical stuff, but I dont know how to make something look pretty.
I am a bit hesitant to take pics of my own game for you because the camera system is a bit simple, you can ofc freeroam around the car and take pics, but you cant tilt the camera, or change the zoom, or edit brightness, contrast and saturation.
not that I can stop you, my game is free on itch.
but I would still love to work with you ofc. anything helps really. we can talk more on discord if you want. my username is mostwanted2012 .
I would also love to see what you're working on behind the scenes.
this comment is really helpful ty, I still feel icky not being on the same level as triple A devs when it comes to model quality, I wanna make game that wows people first and foremost.
Here's the story, a friend of mine wanted to buy an Xbox only for FM. I watched your video of comparison and I've shared that with he and he was going to change his mind. He decided to stay with PS5 and GT7 when I did a comparison with your XJ220 video and the model of a modder in AC. The modder model was exactly the same in FM, but he converted it from FM4 (or 5 I can't recall now). My friend decided to stay with GT7 and since he has AC too he decided to convert AC into PC Gran Turismo.
The main problem with the microtransactions in GT7 is that actually grinding was really bad at the launch of the game. They responded by making it easier to actually earn money in game. It’s not a problem now like it used to be, but at launch it was super frustrating.
It took 3 months to create 1 car in GT7.
I think it's closer to 9 months on some
I think we could even do Forza 23 vs GT SPORT 😂😂
Same model for gt7 and sports
I'm still waiting for the GT5 and GT6 comparisons to FM23. GT5 and 6 didn't age as well as GT Sport and GT7 will, but I'm still fairly confident they would beat FM23 in many respects with visual car modeling.
THIS IS FUCKING EPIC.
Cheers from Mexico City :)
BTW ..... Im on a PS4 PRO, and do have an Xbox Series S.
In the PS4 PRO, the details, are still ahead Forza.
It is just a better game overall.
Thanks mate! Respect from the UK
The colors on GT are so much richer.
FM is the “no we have car models at home” version of car models.
The struggle is real. I'm 41, been with the series since it first appeared in demo discs. I'll admit since prices are egregious at 20 million, but the people who complain about micro transactions overlook that everything in the game is free. No dlc car packs to purchase, every update just gives you everything. The people complaining about micro transactions probably never grinded the same race over and over again to afford the viper. But when you got it, that feeling was second only to Christmas morning as a kid!!!
so... i''ll try to really keep it short and simple...
Thats a weird headlight lense on the forza one... Someone used a black marker to scribble on the exhaust pipe on the forza model... Never seen an s15 with shiny vents...
apart from that...
The Forza S15 makes me wanna vomit. Since ever. Its probably the most messed up model they have. More broken and wrong than the 22b which they redid from scratch... which would be a neat comparison next?
I can't agree with you on the paywall analogy with regards to Assetto Corsa, the game is run by a team much smaller than Polyphony and without a Juggernaut like Sony funding them so revenue has to be made somewhere after paying for expensive licenses fees and time modelling the vehicles used.
The same cannot be said for Forza which is just fucking greed.
I suppose, but they are worth 50 million and sell on all platforms, I mean I did not mind buying the lot 😂
TBH I felt bad saying it 😂😂😂😂
You're talking as if Kunos is independent, they aren't they're owned by a larger company who owns multiple studios. This excuse is nonsense, at least look up the subject before jumping to defend their practices. Kunos hasn't been independent since 2017.
@@evilformerlys4704
And when did Assetto Corsa 1 drop ? Oh wait 2015 after being early access since 2013.
And when was the last DLC for the game made available ? The Ready to Race DLC back in.....
Oh wait, 2017 oh look at that, the year they got acquired.
What did you say again.
"Don't talk if you don't know shit"
Shut the fuck up.
The cars in Forza have a damage model, which is why their car models are lower poly than GT7. Both games are great and both have their own cons. So if you have ps play gt if you have xbox play forza, every one wins.
Edit: the only thing forza didn't deserve is THE F**KING SPORTS AWARD!!!!
GT also has a damage model
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 it's just a texture change not a model change
@@R.SHIELD just like in FM8
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 no in FM8 the car model get bends, but doesn't break apart from the car. (Example: crashing at high speed might just give you a bent bonnet with a slight dent in the bumper...and broken headlights and windshield)
@@R.SHIELD cars in GT7 also get bents they dont get their windshield broken though
GT7 is a beautiful game. Makes Foza look like a mobile game
Even Roblox's better than BFTGU's.
As an S15 owner myself, I find this video really interesting. GT7 is amazing and feels like seeing the real car in person, it blows my mind. Forza's model is like one of those indie crappy games from Steam that uses unbranded copies of the car, which is nice for them but an insult for a multi billion dollar company like Microsoft.
In good news, Polyphony have basically future proofed most of their cars with just how meticulous they went into detail. They'll probably be porting these cars to new Gran Turismos for years to come and we won't even notice because they already look true to life.
We need Gran Turismo on PC.....
We do indeed! I think it would shake up the PC community a-lot!
Exactly, hopefully Assetto Corsa 2 will give what Forza Motorsport couldn't...
@@Skaubera vr support…. I really needed that
I always thought the same thing about the Gran Turismo microtransactions. Overpriced? Maybe, but it’s not hard to make the in game money if you play for more than a few days. And now there’s so many ways to make in-game money that the microtransactions may as well not be there. It was always obvious to me that the only way they are useful is if you wanted to save a few hours to get a specific car. And that’s if you haven’t put much time into the game at all. My only issue is that there are certain vehicles that can only be bought when they are cycled through the used car lot or the legend shop, which may encourage people to buy credits if there’s not enough time to get them.
GT7 model look very recent, and we all know the Forza model is there since a least FM3, maybe FM2 (yes motorsport).
Of course T10/PG update the model a bit to add polygons, new details and newer texture since then, but it's a great example of an old 3D model reuse over the years to look "up to date" but the model itself is far from the reality.
Not to defend T10, but to source an OEM S15 in the USA for 3D scan in 2024 seems very cost heavy for like a very low percentage of person who notice those issue.
Also about the S15 spec R :
-The fog lights were optional
-Amber lights (1:35) could have been a bit more acruate on GT7 (at this point i'm not going to talk about FM acruaty)
Materials look so real in GT7, especially the transparent/semi transparent stuff, so real. But i kinda like the ray tracing for all the spoiler reflecting on the trunk on Forza thought.
You know the model is bad when even roblox can compete with it.
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I agree with your view on the Scumb GT7 man babies 100% These people NEED to be shamed for how they tried to kill our game!
And in 5 years when all the usual suspects are nostalgia Grifting , remind them how they tried to kill the goat and failed.
The next graphical leap will literally be The Matrix 😂
I will find a way to glitch out of the matrix in this life first.
btw never say hardcore fan when doing FM V GT7 as it gives FM fans a leg to stand on to say its bias
As someone who’s been a forza fanboy since the very order ever game, I can’t believe how bad the newest one is in terms of just car quality… recycling the same models for 10+ years is mind blowing. I’ve never played GT but I can tell you now they have some of the cleanest models out there. There’s a reason we are porting them to Assetto and using them as bases for everything. Especially the S Chassis.
While i agree with Forzas models being terrible I still strongly disagree with the stance "microtrasactions aren't as bad". Original car pricing (on launch day) was geared towards them, there was no way you could buy most expensive vehicles through regular career mode gameplay or you had to resort to an obscene amount of grind. MTX always bring something unpleasant regarding gameplay and/or its loop because there has to be an incentive to spend. In GT7 it used to be both cars priced way beyond what you could earn and races being very low paying. Only massive backlash from fans started changing things for the better. And bringing AC/ACC since neither of them have a proper career mode or their main gameplay isn't hinged on a single player progression system like GT used to have, in other way these games are not competition. In the same vein Ace Combat isn't a competition to MS Flight Sim even though both feature planes and flying. Also don't forget that GT is Sony funded, they can throw all those modelling manhours away for free in an update because they can afford the cost. Kunos (AC dev) is a small team and they had to continuously fund the sustained work on AC and it's DLCs somehow so in my book they get a pass. Forza is still inexcusable.
And yeah, hate towards GT7 was well deserved IMO. Apart from the in-game economy issues, if you bought the game day one to have a classic GT mode in a modern skin (like me) and didn't care for multiplayer/sport mode then you we're sorely disappointed. Between licenses being very easy (and useless beyond I think national A license), races being a rolling start "chase the rabbit" affair, AI having no spacial awareness and generally career being woefully lacking (compared to months worth of gameplay in GT4) criticism levied was justified and changed the game for the better. and yes, old timer fans did criticise all these things as well (case in point: GTPlanet forums, there's no more "old-timey" way of discussing stuff within a fandom than forums). It especially stung me as a long time series fan that once again an anniversary coincides with a game release and no "fan service" or no nostalgia food or any sort of look back on the series has been done. I understand you're a fan, I am too, played every mainstream GT game, but being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticise the things you like and care about, it doesn't mean Polyphony is absolved from the state of the game on release. It was pretty but barebones. And the career mode was not what the fans wanted.
Don't take it as a personal attack, i still enjoyed the video. I'm just not agreeing to all talking points of it regarding GT7 and PD.
6:26 ive found my new favourite insult
Add this: You MELT hahaha
The microtransactions weren't the real issue. The real issue qas the price of cars, along with polyphony digital nerfing race rewards in order to try and force you into spending real money on credits to buy cars. Cars have always been unlocked in game so saying you don't see the problem is genuinely nuts.
Normally I'm not really interested in Playstation exclusives, but if there's one game I want to play, it's Gran Turismo 7. You have no idea how badly I want to play this game. I feel like I could buy a PS5 just to play this game alone
GT7 makes the new Forza look like it belongs on xbox360
I still love how some forza fans are like, "Forza has better graphics" ok bud Gran Turismo does 3D Scans you can't get any better than that.
Calling the fanboys a sausage roll made me cry!!!😂
The car doors on Gran Turismo should absolutely open at this stage.
100% Would be amazing to add this feature!
The worst part about any GT game will always be the car selection. Where is the new Mustang? Corvette E-Ray? New WRX? New Prius? Ioniq 5 N? Elantra N? Veloster N even? GT will put a million Skylines and GT-Rs but not cars that people actually drive. You only need one, MAYBE two trims for each car. Why does GT have both the Focus ST and RS? Why not have a Civic Si and Type R if they want to pull that? Where is the Fiesta ST? The car selection makes no sense.
S15 are legendary. 200 sx was the UK version I believe.
want to know the craziest part about all these comparisons? They're just stating facts Car manufacturers have known for a long time, that's why there's so many Gran Turismo references (or outright appearances) in car ads
What year did you use for Silvia 1998, 1994, 1992 for Forza Motorsport
It's funny how mad people about the fact that Forza motorsport got the award for the best racing game in 2023
That Backing track reminds me of the soundtrack to Red Dog.....Chill az fk... Might have to do my own version........ ;)
I will use it in a video with your permission. Haha, let me know how you get on!
@@AutomotiveVP Well... I have a few tracks as under Creative Commons,,,,
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Not going to lie, when I saw the title, I thought it was going to be comparing Gran Turismo 7 to the original Forza Motorsport, which looks amazing for a game from 2005. I forget that Forza got pretentious and eliminated the number on the latest entry.
Forza Motorsport is a joke compared to GT7
GT7 is a joker.😂
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@abuelb I understand. Some people like plastic cars like yourself. Y'all never got into real ones to like a more photo realistic look that GT7 gives.
FM has chromed out plastic mufflers
FM has some old 360 modeled cars
FM has missing details on cars
FM materials don't look like the real thing.
FM has grayed out plastic interiors on a lot of cars.
FM has worse car sounds now. It was superior in the past, but not now.
FM parts that should be a glossy pitch black, like the exterior pillars or front and rear garnishes....well they're like a dark gray and have a wierd granite texture to them
FM just adds a bunch of trees all around the track to hide backgrounds, adds trees in places that don't have trees, instead of having an accurate tree line around the track like GT7 has. It's just used in FM to make kids think the game offers more details.
FM adds a bunch of unrealistic effects in the rain to again, distract people from all of the inaccurate details the game has. And the rain also barely moves off the windshield at 200 MPH. It's like the car is moving 20 MPH instead.
FM also like to make everything unrealistically Shiney in the rain as a distraction or wow factor. It's just a bunch of foolery.
FM also looks washed out.
Now I say this, and I may have played every GT since release, the first one being in 1997, but I've played every FM since release. The first one since 2005. Since 2005, I always stood on Forzas side, especially since I mainly play Xbox. Ever since I got the first Xbox, each PS has only been used for exclusives. But this new FM is boring as fuck. Basic as fuck too. Boring ass basic menus. The same Repetitive races that aren't fun to do over and over. Being limited on race types to do for career. And the huge fact that every time I load the game up and see my real life car on the main menu, I'm disgusted because it looks nothing like it. The paint colors are so off on so many cars. The car just looks ridiculous that it turns me off. Cockpit is the way I race, and I hate it in this FM. Just plastic and not real looking. GT7 captures a far more realistic look. Maybe play them both. If you're sane, have good eyes, know what you're looking at, then you'd see the same all of us long time forza players see, and see it is ugly as hell compared to GT7.
This FM has no benefit for having a 4K HDR QLED TV. One of the reasons I like these tV's is for the deeper blacks. Everything is light in this instead
Built from the ground up™
Yo
Could you compare GT6 models against Forza Motorsport models?
I wanna see a thing
Already have this planned :)
From the mantle up... to the ground! That's as far as we go
If Forza motorsport was that bad they would've never give it the award for the best racing game in 2023
man, wtf, i'm laughing so fucking hard when you're roasting something :D :D
The issue with GT7 wasn't the micro-transactions per se. Everyone agreed the core of the game was solid. However, it was very clear the game pushed you to buy cars by not providing people with enough credits during regular play to buy the cars they actually wanted to buy. The initial (short) campaign was very generous but the game became a desert after completing it. PD purposely starved you of credits and rewards for your time with the game in an effort to force you to pay up.
That coupled with the fact that Sony disabled those mechanics during the review period made sure no reviews mentioned any micro-transactions which is very dishonest.
While in theory everything is unlockable in the game without paying an extra dollar, it was very clear the investment in time would've been impossible without taking advantage of the credit farming glitches. Tying car prices to real world prices as well is completely asinine. It doesn't add anything positive to the game's experience other than inconvenience to the player.
I personally spent a few months only doing credit farming and buying all the stuff I wanted that way. I wasn't playing the campaign or anything, just farming and buying cars. It would've been nice to just be able to enjoy the game normally and be able to do all that. But even to this day, while I agree the economics have improved and allowing you to rent cars for daily races helps, PD makes sure to aggressively clamp down on the ability to get credits in any meaningful way.
Also, roulettes are still broken... PD apparently has no interest in fixing them. It's quite frankly insulting. Some higher end parts are only available through the roulette which is even more dumbfounding.
But, yeah, the game on the track is perfection. We all just wish it was more accessible in other regards.
C'est complètement faux ce que vous avez dit soit disant les pièces mécaniques a haute performances uniquement dans la roulette ! juste pour faire rafraîchir votre cerveau les pièces a haute performance sont désormais disponibles sans passer par la roulette.
It's not perfect, but the options to make money are way better than before. I've never done a credit farm, and I have 26 mil. No MTX either. With the weekly races, time trials etc. Making money isn't hard anymore, especially if you haven't done all the tracks and licenses. They do need to add more endurance races with large payouts, up the payouts on some of the higher races and add more missions 😢. I miss the gas saving missions lmao
The higher end parts are no longer exclusive to the roulette tickets you can buy all the parts in tuning shop now, gt7 is not perfect but they are doing a lot more things right than fm 23
@@andreasmoller9798 I agree. I just feel like the video acts as if the micro transactions situation was overblown. He was oversimplifying the issues with the game at launch.
I agree that as an overall package and effort GT7 and PD have done a much better job than Turn 10 so far, even if we compare what was delivered by both at launch. GT7 was in a much better state even then for sure.
I totally know that GT7'S models, quality, and shading is far better than FM, But the s15 in FM is the same model they used back in FH3, along with most models Forza has ported ever since early Xbox one days.
Once Forza actually remakes the models instead of porting, and work on the shading, shadows and lighting quality, then it might stand toe to toe with GT
Most models have their roots not on Xbox one games, but Xbox 360, or even ORIGINAL XBOX games.
I've played both since the beginning but gt7 looks great as far as current gen
I mean the fog light actually looks like that. 😂
8$ Forza Horizon 4 full bundle (Steam discount with cheaper regional price) only took me 250 hour to get almost 90% vehicle collection (around 600 vehicle collection). Before that, I got spoiled by 20USD base game The Crew 2 with micro-transaction.
FH5 still playable with Nvidia Pascal 10-series graphic card equivalent.
If Gran Turismo 7 was on PC, Forza wouldn't even exist anymore
Comment at 00:32 is gold 😆👌🤣
😂😂😂 telling me I’m wrong
Built from the ground up lads and lasses. Built from the feckin ground up
More MS lies. Gt looks absolutely incredible.
Are you from Hull? Or somewhere near, your accent sounds like near me.
Been a Forza fan since it was basically my introduction to being a car guy and after Motorsport released I’ve seriously lost my respect.
The main problem with gt7 is the career and some dumb gameplay decisions they made , it's built on a very solid platform and its graphics and driving should be an example to the industry
I will say that GT7's economy does suck. I can only really play on weekends and vacation so my time is limited. I cannot ever justify dropping $20M in game credits on a car like the Shelby Daytona Coupe (been tempted) as there are so many other more useful cars. In GT Sport, this might have been a $10 microtransaction...maybe $20 but to buy it in GT7, you will need to spend $200! Both would be suspect purchases but 10x is a level of absurdity that few could ever justify.
Just put the time in bro, and eventually you can buy all of the cars with in-game currency. I already bought every Legend car and I just need about 70 more in regular dealership. I have the in game money to buy them all, but I dont just want to purchase them all at once, I really want to purchase each and have some time to enjoy driving them for a bit. It could be done bro
I've done the glitches and even with those I never felt comfortable plopping 20 million credits on an in-game car. I basically have everything else though. The glitch I did the most way with the Tomahawk on Tokyo and... that was like 2 million per hour? 10 hours of life for a car was too much for me 😂
@@highpriest90 Fair play if you have that kind of time. I own 191 cars (I own all the used cars), have driven over 18,000 miles and 84:42 hours according to the game and spent over 120 million credits. I also enjoy making liveries so my time is not spent grinding and I've never used any glitches.
And yeah the roulette thing is dumb too.
But this is another win for GT7, 20mil drop on in game car simulates real life buyer's remorse... You can't get more real. So much time/effort invested is it worth it 🤔
Sp I'm not the only one who notices that motorsport is way more "cuby" than gt7?
"BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP"
You NEED to do a Toyota AE86 comparison bro
Car looks sexy as hell in GT7!
The problem with the microtransactions is the fact if you want to get, say, the McLaren F1, it would cost you £75 in real money!!!!! For ONE CAR!!!!! That's DISGUSTING!!!!
And there's ALOT of cars that cost that amount in gt7....and there's plenty of people that dint have the time to grind 20 mil for one car....it's just ridiculous, they shouldn't be that much...or. If they are, there should be enough of a race roster to be able to get you those kinds of credits without having to rinse and repeat the same 4 or 5 races ..it's ridiculous.....me personally, I don't have a problem with the whole buying credits thing...MY problem, is the price of the cars in the game...for instance, theres quite a few 3 mil cars...well that would cost you 30 quid for just one!!! Because you can't buy a mil in credits...they either need TO SERIOUSLY improve the race roster, and quick, or they need to re-adjust the prizes for the races, because theres only a VERY small amount that are actually worth doing....OR, make the cars more realistic prices.....
Supposedly the games car prices are meant to reflect real world prices, yet there's soooooo many that are WAY more expensive in game than in reality....not to mention seeing wide body kits that are just wheel arches costing 150k!!!! It's ridiculous!!! All the performance parts are ridiculous prices too...they need to sort it out....
And by the way, I've been a GT gamer from the first one...back from the PS days...
B00iLd fRuM tEh GwAnD aP
~Turn10, probably
Forza spent all their resources on Ray tracing and forgot about everything else lol
If the raytracing in it is the result of all of their resources, they must have had a smaller budget than an indie mobile game. Even GT7 has a better implementation of raytracing.
how the fuck did forza motorsport win an award right
on gt7 even when you swap the mazda rotary engine into another car the rev counter still jumps about from the rough idol
I think this may be a bit of a hot take, but I feel FM '23's aesthetic looks more realistic than GT7's, however, when it comes to the models themselves GT7 wins by a landslide.
No...buy a pair of glases😁😁
@@Rene-jv7rf GT7, atleast in its base state (you can change it to look more realistic, so this is just out of the box as is), looks too saturated to look spot on real. It looks prettier with its details don't get me wrong, but FM just captures a realistic lighting aesthetic better imo. This is from a GT7 player by the way. That being said... that doesn't mean FM's models or game are polished and good.
@@HachiKamuri again...no for instant have you seen the trees near the track in Forza? They look like shit, have you seen that the trees are places in a way to hide the details near the track? The lightning looks out of place and is way off on the cars..i can go on and on....
@@Rene-jv7rf To me the lighting just looks like it could be irl. GT7's, while pretty, feels confined to a videogame. Though to be fair you can tweak the aesthetic of GT7. I did it yesterday and I would say it looks better than FM for sure, although there still are things I think FM does better, but they're very minor by comparison once the lighting aesthetic is covered.
the fact Turn 10 thought it was a good idea to reuse models from 2005 was a good idea is baffling to me like the model looks SOOOO bad compared to GT7 yet the game is a year NEWER then GT7 it is Hilarious. "built from the ground up" thats probably the biggest lie ive ever heard in video gaming history
This is my main point; I even included them discussing with lies about the tracks here, and I've also completed the PS4 VS PC Ultra comparison.
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it shows you how dumb they think we are!
@@AutomotiveVP it gets worse because ive been a forza fan since FM2 and the entire atmosphere and passion is GONE like FM4 was the absolute last good forza motorsport imo and its even funnier when you realize that every other motorsport game in the series had more then double the amount of content then FM8
This is what I've been trying to convey to people. Many think I dislike Forza, but in reality, I believe they may not have experienced the Forza 3 and 4 era when the games were created with genuine passion. Nowadays, it seems like they're primarily designed for profit rather than from the heart. Nothing but a quick cash grab!
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@@AutomotiveVP a cash grab is probably the best way to describe it tbh. I’ve never had the opportunity to play gran turismo but holy crap the state of forza is making it very tempting, the models, tracks and the graphics all look Leagues better then forza motorsport even the tiny details like the name branding on the lights is a nice touch
I don't hate forza but my first video game as a kid was Gran Turismo i always been a fan of em Gran Turismo idk i always loved there car models because there detailed like cray forza idk they have the same model s15 n other cars Gran Turismo has a lot better graphics and physics in my opinion