TableTop: Wil Wheaton Plays STAR REALMS with Melissa DeTora
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In gaming, there’s a fine line between satisfying competition between friendly rivals, and completely missing the joy of playing a game because you’re so focused on winning. So, this episode of TableTop will be interesting because professional MTG Pro Tour player Melissa DeTora is here to face Wil Wheaton in STAR REALMS, a fast-paced one-on-one deck-building game.
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"So my fans want me to crush Wil Wheaton, I'm not sure why but they just want him to lose."
I think that sums up perfectly why I watch Tabletop, Wil is like a super-villian in a saturday morning cartoon show, constantly being foiled by dice rolling.
Great, now I need fanart of a dice-headed superhero facing the super-villain Wil.
Craftedminer Sometimes I wonder if Will has to throw his dice 3 times and only the worst dice roll counts
ShantupWOG Me too. Wil loses so much and is cool about it, which gives him underdog appeal.
Wil coulda won if he just killed her outpost. That was a huge mistake.
Yup, I called it the second he attacked her instead of the base. I'm all like "NO!" and he was all like "great turn, I'mma win this thing now."
Melissa DeTora is pure awesome, one of the best Magic The Gathering players, and now a full time member of Wizards R&D! If anyone ever tells you MTG players aren't cool, you show them THE Melissa DeTora!
Tolarian Community College Hey there, Prof!
We second this!
I always like to see her in videos or anything. She's always happy and so fun to watch.
First "Game Knights" now "Tabletop" we need a show where she goes around and beats everyone.
All the VIPs are here, what is happening
This is how a professional TCG player should conduct themselves. I can tell from past experiences that they're not all like her, some can be absolute scumbag. She was professional, calculated, relaxed, polite, humble and absolutely viscous at the right time, all the things that make a pro a pro. Mad respect.
Viscous? She's not a liquid!
We talking like 10W30?
@@ishtimal Judging from the way she just slowly crushed his soul, I'd say Boston molasses.
Pretty sure she actually works for Wizards of the Coast now.
@@Sheriff_K she has before this episode
Not destroying that hive really decimated him.
Theo Gehling big mistake
Yep, already thought so before the end of the game... just because it is pretty good he should have destroyed it...
bases/outposts are pretty crucial to the game. underestimating them is a bad move.
I think he threw the game though. Watch it with the idea Wil wants her to win.
Several tactical mistakes were made by both. ;) But I played the s*** of this and there is more tactic then it seems on first glance
I actually didn't know who Melissa DeTora is, but I found her a delight in this video :)
That's exactly how I felt! At the end, when she was giving her speech, I thought, "oh she is just DELIGHTFUL." And her eyes express that perfect mix between, "I'm rather nice and quite clever, " and "I'm not above pummeling the ever loving snot out of you." What a fun personality. She has definitely gained a fan.
oh absolutely, seems like it's a lot of fun to hang out with her! Perfect mix of kindness and "trash talk" :)
Same. Love it when the guest(s) smack Mr. Wheaton.
Yeah, classy lady.
I don't really know who Melissa is, but I kind of adore her. Maybe it's because I play nothing but online games with horrific toxic communities, but it was wonderful seeing a pro game player who was just friendly, helpful, and soft-spoken. She was a delight.
aww She is a sweet guest. I like how supportive and honest she is to Wil. Never seen that before on tabletop :') . Normally everyone wants to crush Wil and they show it ;-)
I really like Melissa. You can tell she isn't trying to "put on a show" like some of the other guests do. It's always more fun to just watch people being themselves.
Yeh, a lot of guests do give off strong “theatre kid” vibes
Shame that the Spellslingers are no longer a thing. I liked Day9.
Really miss spellslingers too. Sean is the best.
Agreed. That show was great.
Petr Sandu What is Spellslingers not going to be coming back?
The production values and commentary were great but the decks just weren't fun to watch. If budget was a problem they shoulda jumped into the Pauper format or something, using Limited level decks or precons kind of got stale due to the low power level of the show.
I think Day9 costs way more than the cards to be completely honest...
By the time this video ended I had the biggest grin on my face. Tabletop just makes me so happy.
HAVOK586 agreed!!
Such a great episode.
More of Melissa please, her deadpan/serious humor is so hilarious and blends well with Will
As a Magic player, of course she knows that the most powerful effect in the game is "Draw a card."
Yea but star empire is weak.
1on1. Didn't think that those games could be on Tabletop. Neat.
It was said in the intro that this was the first 1v1 game on TableTop; Wheaton just really liked the game and wanted to make it work.
I would not mind if this shifted a whole lot and found my self playing a cowboy theme, ninja, Robot, ect like Fluxx.
I would hardly call star realms under rated.
The more I watch Tabletop the younger Will Weaton looks.
Have you not seen the portrait of him on the back wall that gets older with every video? No? That's because he keeps it locked in a secret vault of course!
Simon Munden no, wil is far better of than this sad grey guy.
i mean when he said he was exceited to play against a professionell, i was like wtf. not only has he been a professionell poker player himself but today he is probably the only professionell player who gets payed for losing games.
when you get there you need nothing but the pure joy of being to no longer age :)
They're making more money to Photoshop him (but ya look great, Wil!).
Every loss gives him youth. Even in defeat, he still wins
The space Native-Americans must have done something to him...
I can't get over how baffled she is by his strategy and how bad it is, right before he goes off on how good his turn was. Oh will, you're incredible.
I love Star Realms. I actually thought you would never run that sort of 2-Players game. I'm happy!
Hybban is this just the base game or are they using expansions?
Just base game, one deck, two players.
just the base game
".....and no mercy!"
How would you compare it to Ascencion (if you've played both) ? It kinda seems like a simpler version of it
After the whole "porn couch" thing, I have to say I felt iffy about Wil rubbing his face on that seat. Are you SURE you want to do that Wil?
Froggy711 a little pink eye never killed anyone.
Yeah, but Owlbear porn is a little on the dry side until you throw in a Beholder or two and then things start to get messy!
I think he might've had it in mind.
Well he did say he felt like he had "some come back in me" so....there's that.
yeah that ending was a little bit too much cringe-worthy. Luckily the rest of the ep well makes up for it though.
The answer to your question at 23:24 Wil was yes take out the hive. By taking it out you prevent it from helping her draw cards until the discards are reshuffled and it comes up in the new draw pile. Bases are free extra resources/cards/helpful effects per round in this game and should always be taken out unless you have enough damage to attack around a non-outpost for lethal damage
And Will did indeed lose, but it was a lot closer than I thought it was going to be.
especially when he got really low and she had like 45 or 47. I was thinking she was going to decimate him but this was probably the best table top this season. Farkle was pretty good too though.
Melissa is my MTG Idol!!! I was surprised to see her here! It's awesome.
He forgot to have her discard a card near the end of the game when he had the Mech World and the Royal Redoubt in play. He should have taken out The Hive that same turn. Things could have went much better for him.
Agreed. He also should have kept the Battlestation alive towards the end of the game instead of scrapping it. At that point, he wasn't going to kill her anyway, so it's better for it to draw fire and allow him hang on for another turn to draw more cards.
I agree with you both. Was virtually yelling at the screen telling him to kill that Hive, and then when he scrapped the battlestation I knew it was over. Letting her keep a blob base when he knew her deck was full of blobs was just ridiculous. :( Still - love Star Realms
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is kinda Wil's M.O. :P
When Will decided that he was going to let the Blob Hive live, I just nodded to myself that he was going to lose by less than 9 damage (I estimated that it was going for about 3 more rounds)...
I doubt that the 1 discard would have been significant, but Scrapping the Battlestation was the dumbest thing I've seen. Melissa's deck has basically no healing, meaning any damage on her would have sticked. Melissa should have scrapped her Explorers as well for basically the opposite reason. Wil had a TON of healing in this deck, she needed to apply as much as possible every single turn, not to mention would have cleared her deck for her high damage/draw cards.
The entire game is literally just Wil grinning extremely wide with so much joy at the fact that he's playing with a professional player
This was a perfectly balanced fight between a solid baseball bat and a pinhata.
I love how will is completely comfortable asking his enemies for their advice on how he should try to beat them.
I love how genuinely excited she looked when he told her she was getting a trophy.
"My fans really want me to crush Wil"
It's ok Wil's fans (or at least I) really want you to crush him too.
Came here from the kickstarter page currently going on for star realms expansion box. Already seen the video 6 years ago and bought the game after seeing it but boy I miss TableTop, I started my tabletop games collection seeing these videos and now I have much less money and almost no more space in my room. Thanks Wil ;)
This was one of the funniest Tabletop episodes I've seen. The way Wil and Melissa talk to eachother is exactly how I talk with my opponents during Magic games!
she is kind of awkwardly awesome
WHEN DO WE GET TITANSGRAVE SEASON 2??? BEST RPG SHOW EVER, PLEASE MAKE MORE EPS!! 💜🙏
Bernice Panders duuuuude, u r so right
Fabio I think even WITH that episode it rocked. As a workshop on storytelling, that was fantastic.
Bernice, I keep wondering how LDN are going to run the game ... especially with how TableTop has been organised by them. Knowing our luck, it's already been aired but on Alpha. Or it will be an Alpha exclusive.
Thumb up for Fabio. It was a dull episode, and they could have done better to scatter that stuff around bit by bit instead of having most of a full episode dedicated to "Storytime with Wil"
Agree with +Bernice Panders. I love Critical Role, but it takes a LOT of dedication. Titansgrave was well done and perfectly-sized.
I am glad you enjoyed it. It wasn't for me, but diversity is a good thing.
What Table Top WITH Melissa DeTora?!/!?1? So you're telling me I can have my cake AND eat it too? This made my day, literally.
I have to say, a 1 vs 1 game is a nice change of pace every now and again
see thats sportsmanship if wil had not mentioned the hive draw card on that last hand he would have survived that hand and won against a pro deck builder props to a great player
that hive was his downfall. ignoring that gave her enough damage that turn to kill all his bases, then the next 2 turns, exactly enough to win. ;p
landar486 I was yelling at the screen "kill the base"!
lol i know right!
I love DeTora's commentary. She basically says the things I always think when will makes bad board game choices. Clearly she understands resource management. MTG players are best board gamers.
So... you decided to go for her face at minute 24 instead of destroying this hive which let her draw a card, deal 3 dmg and combine it with other blob cards...? Yeah, not the best choice you have made i think^^ But that made this game more exciting. Enjoyed it :)
This was a great video, and I love watching Melissa DeTora play games. "Mech World" is totally Cybertron, and now I think I want this game to throw in my MTG travel bag.
@22:00 - couldn't Melissa have attacked and destroyed one of his bases? Since she had 4 Attack, and he has a base which with a shield strength of 4. (can't see the name of the base, as its covered).
george louie No. Wil had an outpost ( The one with the black shield.) It has to be destroyed before she can attack any other base. Hope that helped.
thanks, i saw the Outpost, but for some reason I thought the rule was you could still attack the bases, just couldn't attack the player. but it's been awhile since I've played it.
This episode was awesome, i was really interested in learning this game (always see it in my local game store) and the actual gameplay turned out really interesting, and that last turn felt staged it was so awesome.
she is so cute
Didn't for the life of me think you could ever make a 1 on 1 game work on tabletop. I'm gladly surprised to see that you did an outstanding job, you and Melissa. This i actually one of my favourite episodes this far.
Missed opportunity, at 22:45, Wil had both, the Mech World and the Royal Redoubt, Wil should have received the bonus on the Royal Redoubt and Melissa should have had to discard a card, not sure it would have made a difference although every opportunity missed is just a waste.
If he had taken out that Hive when he could have, he would have won.
dkyzar Preach! you almost always kill bases and outposts
Oh my God! I totally love Melissa. She is a composed player. Totally a delight specially when I watch her on GameKnights!
22:23 after this turn Melissa should discard one due to yellow base + mech world did they miss that?
You're right.
Braden Blackwell and she couldn't have bought the recycling station then. In the final turn she plays a recycling station (she has 2 of them) so it could have been a gamechanging mistake.
Braden Blackwell mistakes were made, but fun was had
bring back spellslingers or we riot
^
TheManaSource Wedge what's up?!
When you see tolarian community college and the mana source have commented on a random youtube video you're watching...
This was one of my favorite episodes. I want to be a professional card gamer now. Is there a pro yugioh tour because I'd kill at that.
BTW, this was a great episode! It was exciting, especially witnessing Melissa's comeback win. Really funny too.
Anyone sacrifice their lives waiting for the release of TableTop videos?
DAGaming Noobz2 me
DAGaming Noobz2 same here!
Goat and cattle as well.
well, not my own lives. but blood sacrifice might be involved
I sacrificed everything one day after the last episode :(
Omg, I'm so in love with Melissa! So cute and sweet. And watching her beat down Will is an added plus. Best episode ever.
YaY a new TableTop Episode on my Birthday
Atztec1 Happy Birthday random person! :)
halorecon95 Well Thank you Random Person! :)
Oh, I didn't miss your birthday, thank goodness! Happy B-Day! :)
Silly Internet, but thanks ;)
I love this game and play it almost daily. I would highly recommend downloading a score keeping app on a phone or tablet instead of using the authority cards to keep track of score.
Das_Schlippo I agree but do you have the new hero realms style authority counter? Pretty rad
I bet they will have multiplayer Hero Realms (w/ campain when it comes out) in a future episode of TableTop.
Yes, please!
Randy Kinney tabletop is over. the remaining episodes have already been filmed. there will be no more.
Melissa's Battle Pod is totally her MVP. It took away quite a few cards that Wil could have used (though he could never afford them). GG to both of them! I've been looking forward to this episode. Hopefully soon Wil plays Epic Card Game on the show!
That was really enjoyable to watch. Wil's wild wackiness and Melissa's mellow mood really interacted well with one another. Good dynamic, and interesting game(play)!
I would LOVE to see you guys play Cryptazoics new DBG based on Attack on Titan. It's super super hard and 100% co-op. It would be a great multi part episode! Please please please! lol
Don't let the scorecards than confused Wil turn you off to the game. WWG makes better ones now, similar to the ones in Hero Realms, and there are several good scorekeeping apps that handle this more efficiently.
Also, like Wil, I was confused by the cards at first, but it doesn't take that long to get used to them. I'm looking to get the Star Realms 10-sided spindown dice from Legion Supplies.
That's a good call. From what I've seen, they're nice.
Agreed, and there's also no need to actually use them. It's cool that they're there, but you can just write stuff down. Also, if you DO use the cards, always just know what your total is, calculate that in your head, and make the cards equal that. "I had 27, now I have 22. Two 10s and two 2s." Trying to think in terms of "This 5 into a 1, replace this 10 with blah blah" is an easy trap to fall into, and just makes it more confusing.
There are multiple life-counters for phone or tablet - the MtG ones work very well actually
We use two 10 sided dice - one in multiples of 1, the other in multiples of 10 to keep track of our authority. The cards get too confusing for my little pea brain... I might have a better chance if I had someone "off camera" to help me math while I play. ;)
Melissa is great!
Just finished READY PLAYER ONE audiobook narrated by Wil Wheaton - Highly recommended!
If only audiobooks could be purchased in some sort of physical medium - like on some sort of compacted disk ... oh well....
Some suggestions for upcoming episodes. (2 vs 2 Iliad)
Or... ASHES - RISE OF THE PHOENIXBORN
Or... DICE MASTERS - DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS!!!
11:38 best part and Melissa's "ok" was the kicker
One of my favorite pro Magic players of all time! I'm super happy for her! Go Melissa!
I'm digging Wil's mid-life crisis hair.
He looks like someone who failed to be an artist.
He looks like emo Peter Parker from Spider-Man 3
6:00
I'm *willing* to go ahead and endure all the jokes
I play this on mobile all the time. Blobs rule
i actuaslly like playing a pure green strategy sometimes as the blobs do the highest damage but i like star empire too much to ever set that strategy into motion.
I wish they would play more story or campaign style games. Fury of Dracula and Betrayal were a blast to watch.
This is exciting. She is EASILY one of the top players in her field. Wonderful woman.
I thought Melissa was super cool. Interesting game, charming guest, good episode.
I'm glad this show is still going. I thought I read something on Wil's blog that said he wouldn't be returning to Tabletop.
She seems nice
I saw this episode coming in wikipedia months ago. Was waiting for this day.
Daang. This felt like i was watching an intense finals match at a pro tour
Her eyes are magical.
Her eyes are MAGICal. AMIRITE?!
here again cause of the Star Realms Legacy hype xD
SPELLSLINGERS NEEDS TO COME BACK PLEASE
Because enjoying wills suffering is the only exception to sadism
With Wil everyday is bad hair day! Thats how i do it too btw.
23:23 don't even need to know the outcome of this game to know that was definitely not the right move
this ep made me fall in love with melissa :3
I can tell that a lot of people really liked this but for me this was probably the worst episode of Tabletop to date.
Melissa was an okay guest but she was under used, as a professional game designer it would have been good to have her talk about the cards more as well, give more of an insight into the mechanics of designing a game.
12:00 yes you did, because recycling statiion is completly OP even when you AREN'T running yellow
+1. Always buy recycling station.
+1 *Always* buy recycling station ^^
+1 ALWAYS buy Recycling Station. Also, Missile Bot and Trade Pod stayed in the trade row for way too long. Just sayin'.
Red is a needed color always. It's never too early to start scrapping your scouts and viper am i right?
yay they finally played star realms i own this game and its the only one theyve played that i own and also owned before they played it every other game i want to get is from tabletop. also heres a hint yellow is fucking OP. the amount of hand draw and opponent discard you can do is immense.
CardriderDraw - Level2 I found it quite balanced myself
"... crush Wil Wheaton. I'm not really sure why."
Well, first of all, because of the Wesley Crusher angle.
Wil, well done Sir! That episode of Tabletop kempt me on the edge of my seat. I was rooting for you the whole time. You got defeated, sure, but it felt like a win!
"I feel like he's just trying to lose"
honestly though
My alterna-Go-To-Magic The Gathering Feeling Card Game when I have people over. :D
I'm in love with Melissa :)
To be fair, Melissa did NOT crush Wil Wheaton. Her win was under the wire. Good game, Wil.
I love the Monty Python reference in the credits.
LOVED this episode... so much funny - ness and endearingly awkward moments
will can you do dark souls the bordgame
Jon Dead tabletop is over. the last epsiodes have already been filmed. they arent doing any more beyond that.
If you're doing head-to-head games, are you ever going to play Codex by Sirlin Games?
cool game, cool guest, cool show
it's like dominion except it works a shitton better for a video. I like it
Old Man Snickers dominion has a static display of set cards. this tableu is random, you dont know what cards will come out. completely different. they're just both deckbuilders. is monopoly like risk because they both have dice?
She seems really awesome.
This was the #1 game in Prison. We had pictures of the cards sent in and eventually got the okay for the actual cards. There were tournaments. We tweaked rules a little though, extended the max life to 120 but this caused Yellow to be the best because discard your whole hand.
sounds like a fun prison. :P
The local prison I visited seemed to have only old boardgames like monopoly. On the other hand the cells were just as luxorious as a small student home (own room, own tiny bathroom). I reckon that is not very common in the world, but what do I know.
@@MaHuD_ well like we had to improvise
i would love to see you guys do the darksouls board game tabletop playthrough
No you wouldn't :D I'd really rather watch GloomHaven instead. (Dark Souls is all about grinding until you manage to get to boss and if survive strategize. Mechanics are unintuitive and it's really random - unless you're the fan of DS videogame you won't catch the feeling)
GloomHaven on the other hand has awesome Co-op mechanics that have a timer built in and HAS A RANDOM_DUN_GEN so You won't spoil anyone's adventure!
It's really easy to teach, deep tactically and increadibly fun to watch. PLEASE DO GloomHaven! :D
They will never do Gloomhaven. They only do one-off games.
I just don't know how they _could_ do Gloomhaven. Each card has too many ways it could be played.
i just thought because you have to have good dice luck and strategy and teamwork with and up to four players it could make a really nice 1 or 2 episodes nothing like dying for fun
THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY
"it should really be fun"
Shut up Wesley.
I enjoyed all of this immensely, especially the awkward standing at the very end.