Why Uber Is A Scam - Math Explains

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  • Опубліковано 4 тра 2016
  • Ok so I was looking at this graph put on Uber’s website today and thought it looked too good to be true. How amazing that Uber drivers make more than any other type of driver.
    But I knew from my own experience as a rider that Uber didn’t cost that much. In fact, Uber is pretty cheap if you’re a passenger.
    Sooooo…. how can uber be so cheap, and yet the drivers make so much money???
    Now Uber has cut pay to drivers in Detroit to 24cents a mile , but we’re going to stick to the 90c for now.
    Uber takes 20% of the total fare from the driver for older drivers. Newer drivers get 25% taken.
    So we’re down to 67.5c per mile.
    Then you have to deduct tax:
    In some LA County's, sales tax is as high as 10%, and Uber doesn’t withold taxes for you. The drives are responsible for keeping this money aside to pay the tax department in April.
    So with the 10% deducted, we’re down to (just over 60 cents) 60.75c
    Now we need to factor in depreciation of the car. A car is an asset like anything else, and will eventually wear out and you’ll have to buy a new one. Every mile you drive decreases the value of your car and brings you that much closer to needing a new one. This is a big problem if you drive for a living, you’re going to need to buy a new car every two or three years and the cost of a new car is significant.
    The IRS estimates vehicle cost to drive a vehicle for work at $0.54 a mile .
    Broken down into
    Fuel costs @ an average of 12c per mile
    Depreciation at $0.24c per mile.
    Repairs, tyres, & maintainence at 9c per mile
    Insurance, licence, registration, finance, fees - average out to around 9c per mile
    So with 54c depreciation, repairs, and fuel accounted for, we’re down to just over 6c per mile that actually goes into your hands of drivers.
    Given that Uber also asks its drivers to buy things like bottles of water, gum, and chargers for it’s passengers, we can say for certain that driving for Uber pays well below minimum wage or even worse, costing drivers money (as is seen directly in this actual fare uber charged one of it’s drivers).
    So given the math is so bad, why does anyone drive for Uber?
    Here’s an example of a post an Uber driver posted - he was $400 behind on the rent, and needed to make up some quick cash. In a way, uber is kind of like a loans scheme.
    Now for some people in desperate circumstances, what Uber’s offering might be an acceptable deal. But for most people, driving for Uber is a waste of time. I wish Uber would be more honest with people. By our calculations, the amount you’re making as an uber driver is nowhere near $19 per hour. If you drive 30 miles per hour at 6.75c per hour, you’re only making $2.00 per mile - by far the worst choice of any transportation job.
    This number is supported by Not Cool Uber, who have tracked hourly earnings to be around $2.89 and, after vehicle fees are taken into account, $0.
    Now - I’m not against car pooling. We all need transport, and I know I am a frequent user of Uber & Lyft. But I think that Uber is going about it in an unethical way, which makes me unethical for supporting them as a customer.
    Uber could easily fix this situation : by reducing their commission, by making rates more reasonable, by giving riders the option to Tip their drivers, or just by being transparent. But that would mean admitting that they’ve generated significant revenue from effectively exploiting their drivers. So the truth is, Uber benefits from maintaining this status quo. Uber is currently reported to be making $10 billion in revenue per year - and that money has to come from someone.
    Just don’t let that someone be you.
    SOURCES
    www.bloomberg.com/news/article...
    observer.com/2016/01/uber-driv...
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  • @AidenIsLove
    @AidenIsLove 7 років тому +461

    I am an Uber driver and I can speak from experience. I am in KC and I get 85 cents per mile. First of all, Uber only takes 20% from me and every driver knows this going in. As far as taxes and car expenses go, you get a 54 cents per mile tax DEDUCTION at the end of the year to offset all the costs associated with driving. If you are diligent in keeping track of all of your miles, you can claim into the negative profit which means $0 in taxes. The video also doesn't take into account Uber surge rates which do happen quite often, especially if you know where and when the best times are. The video also doesn't take into account actual ridesharing where I am out and about anyway and just turn on my Uber in case it should happen to ping a ride. The video also doesn't take into account cash tips that I sometimes get that goes directly into my pocket.
    Ya, Uber could be better, but videos like these only look at the parts they can pick and choose to be negatives and have no real world driving experience.

    • @ScIQ
      @ScIQ  7 років тому +32

      Hey! I didn't actually mention income tax in the video, so there's nothing to deduct from. You still have to pay sales tax - you can't deduct from that. And whilst we didn't mention surge pricing, we also didn't mention 'special' pricing, like how USC students get 50% of fares. And Uber doesn't make up the difference - it's only after taking them the distance that the poor driver realizes he's only made half the normal fare. No matter how you do the math, no one can actually show that you get the full $19 that Uber claims you make. IE even if all your points are correct (they're not), Uber is still blatantly lying to their drivers. - Jayde

    • @AidenIsLove
      @AidenIsLove 7 років тому +36

      ScIQ There is no sales tax with an Uber ride. There is nothing to be sold. So, yes, income tax is what is paid, NOT sales tax.

    • @AidenIsLove
      @AidenIsLove 7 років тому +34

      Here's the thing. This video goes on to explain why Uber is a SCAM. But all the video does is tell me that running a business is going to incur expenses. That's like saying, opening a restaurant is a scam because it typically takes 5 years just to get your initial investment back and you have to pay employees, rent and electricity.

    • @lloplop
      @lloplop 7 років тому +4

      A scam as I am making good money!!! lmaoo omg this is so sad man these buffoons are the losers of Uber and dont know how to make money. It is NOT the same for all of us and depends on many factors. I AM MAKING MONEY AND DOING GOOD HELLO HELLO HELLO JACKASSES

    • @AidenIsLove
      @AidenIsLove 7 років тому +12

      lloplop These people wanna talk about your car depreciating in value. Well, it's going to depreciate in value whether or not you drive for Uber. Do people consider their car depreciation when they commute to work and back every day or go on vacation? Didn't think so.

  • @j.p.l.463
    @j.p.l.463 7 років тому +429

    as a former uber driver, this is spot on

    • @j.p.l.463
      @j.p.l.463 7 років тому +23

      I'd say it's easier to disagree as a consumer, but the math and IRS tax estimates for vehicle cost are spot on. If uber driver's were truly independent contractors they'd have the right to set their own rates. From a legal standpoint these drivers are misclassified.

    • @bobbrawley9439
      @bobbrawley9439 7 років тому +3

      J.P. L. Again and again Great deal for the customer a loosing deal for the driver J. P. L. you said it best you were an actual driver.

    • @rickchumsae7974
      @rickchumsae7974 7 років тому +10

      My wild guess is that people who disagree with J.P.L., or the video, probably do not do well in understanding their true costs, the true time spent on a task (stop current task, get to location, perform task, return to prior task, resume prior task), and other costs most closly associated with taxation, fica, and the like. As stated, people who do not see the light are Uber's targets.
      In the corporate world, the true cost of an employee is called the "burdened" rate. In most tech-based corporations the burdened rate is about twice the salary. So it is salary, plus: cost of health insurance, employer share of fica, medical insurance, shared cost of facilities and capital equipment, travel, shared cost of legal/marketing/sales/service as appropriate, and other employee benefits.
      As it sits, Uber and those like it, are headed for collapse. At some point they will have no more "marks" willing to work at $2/hour; the cost of autonomous cars will drive up fares/drive down demand, and the weight of stagnation will eventually shrink profits, increase liabilities, and drive it to its grave. Until then, the owners will strap on the party hats and get rich.

    • @xungnham1388
      @xungnham1388 7 років тому +3

      Rick Chumsae Uber is highly invested in autonomous cars. 2 years ago, they poached the entire autonomous department from Carnegie Mellon.

    • @j.p.l.463
      @j.p.l.463 7 років тому +3

      the only future uber has is through autonomous transport

  • @AP-kk4ys
    @AP-kk4ys 4 роки тому +38

    I have a full time job and I drove Uber Eats a few hours a day on my way home from work. I made $25.00 last week delivering. In one of the trips, I waited 30 minutes at a McDonalds for 2 quarter pounder meals, a 10 pc chicken Mcnuggets and 2 drinks. Between waiting for the food to be ready and the drive, it took me a full hour to finish the trip. Finally, I gave the food to the customer and I was paid $3.75 and the cheap ass customer did not tip me. So I went to the McDonalds website and applied for a part time job flipping burgers. I now make $8.75 an hour flipping burgers, cleaning toilets and taking out the garbage and I'm not wasting extra gasoline and putting milleage, wear and tear on my car. Working part time at McDonalds is 100% better than driving for Uber.

    • @kingreed1106
      @kingreed1106 Рік тому

      Sad sad saaaddddd truth!!!!!

    • @miguelteixeira7589
      @miguelteixeira7589 Рік тому

      You should respect both

    • @jamedlock83
      @jamedlock83 10 місяців тому

      STOP EXPECTING TIPS! I don't tip anyone. . . . Things are high enough as it is

    • @thomasjung6660
      @thomasjung6660 5 місяців тому

      I've been trying to convince my friend of this . Base on this video perfect job for crack addicts b/c all they want is a quick "hit". When I drove for a radio group, the cut was 10% if I can wait for a check and 15% if I wanted cash. If people broke it down they would find out Uber is a scam, but they do get drivers. If they are a billion dollar company isn't 25% too much of a cut.

  • @KhaledKhaled-ew4hs
    @KhaledKhaled-ew4hs 5 років тому +141

    Uber expects no less than 5 star ratings , they want you to work for stars and points not money . They play psychological games

    • @nadominhoca
      @nadominhoca 4 роки тому +14

      Uber doesn't hire you. You hire Uber. People still don't get that...

    • @5tar5z
      @5tar5z 4 роки тому +5

      BP stfu you baglicker

    • @NT-rm8jm
      @NT-rm8jm 4 роки тому +7

      Exactly! They studied our habits and rigged the app. I heard they have a psychological Department. I have doing this for almost 3 years and I am definitely ready to quit in the next couple of months. I can truly see I rigged the app is now. I they have taking things way too far. I did really good yesterday and came out this morning and I always work the Monday morning shift, but today they only gave me 3 calls in 3 hours. I rode all over Atlanta. I knew for a fact they had cut me off for making any money. I don't want me to make too much and take time off. I have noticed that. Because your money off to make you work longer. There is no other reason to go without a ride in downtown Atlanta. They try to run out your time limit so you can only make so much per shift. Or they just stop sending you rides. It's all to get you to come back out later. And I notice every time I get close to $100 all right at $100 my calls stop every time and I have to log off and try again later. I am stuck in a Uber rental because of my accident so I'm really feeling the pain because I can't maneuver between both apps. I really see how dirty Uber has became since I've been doing it for the last 3 weeks consistently. It's sad how they play the drivers. As much as I like doing it, I have to quit. I find myself getting more stressed out waiting for calls watching people leave concerts and games. It's not a guarantee that you will make any money no matter how long you stay out. But yet they allow you to run your gas and drive around knowing that they're not going to send you a call. They just want to keep you online.

    • @5tar5z
      @5tar5z 4 роки тому +5

      N T just wait until you calculate your time, gas money, pay taxes, etc. It’s a scam .

    • @nadominhoca
      @nadominhoca 3 роки тому +4

      @Ivanto Jamalot Certainly NOT modern slavery. Its a job! A decent job. Its not a career or a lifelong profession.. its a job! It certainly helps a lot of people, otherwise people wouldn't do it.

  • @purplespite
    @purplespite 8 років тому +252

    Plot twist - She's a taxi driver.

    • @BunsButter
      @BunsButter 8 років тому

      +PurpleSprite Haa!

    • @shamman6647
      @shamman6647 8 років тому +2

      Travis formula for success :
      Uber more Low rates = (more happy enthusiastics, dynamics,efficients mental retarders drivers) + (more cheap, frugal, entitled, rude, libertine, disgusting, arrogant, tclassless, shameless drunks pseudo riders) + (less taxis)
      Lmao

    • @tonyknippenberg2728
      @tonyknippenberg2728 8 років тому +1

      +Shamman66 so Uber starts charging you $0.50 a mile for a customer are you going to still work for them when we go down to $0.25 are you to work for them still

    • @tonyknippenberg2728
      @tonyknippenberg2728 8 років тому

      +Shamman66 and just to let you know I don't have a problem with Uber I just want to see them get rid of surge pricing quit saying you're cheaper than a cab company and then overcharge people the lot of the customers I've been picking up that had been coming back from Uber have been overcharged a lot cuz once these people realize how much wear and tear puts on their vehicles they will see how much they really make

    • @shamman6647
      @shamman6647 8 років тому +1

      +Tony Knippenberg Soo shabby and selfish person you are; think in all the money you help to save to all this poor drunks passengers you take home after all the money they spend in all this fancy restaurant, bars and strip club, just think in all this travelers you take for such affordable fares after all the money they spend in airlines tickets , hotels food
      Just think how great you are helping all this humans to save a lot of money with your little and irrelevants sacrifices in your Santander leased car

  • @jrod4582
    @jrod4582 5 років тому +1794

    Just quit Uber last month, went back to selling weed

    • @greekguytalks
      @greekguytalks 5 років тому +75

      you smoking weed? you didn't get the memo?..... you were supposed to sell, deliver and drive.

    • @TheMwowner1
      @TheMwowner1 5 років тому +45

      you could do both xD at the same time hahahah

    • @AngelicDiva1988
      @AngelicDiva1988 5 років тому +4

      J Rod lmao

    • @Karyabs
      @Karyabs 5 років тому +58

      You had left weed for Uber? Wrong move.

    • @magnusfigg6313
      @magnusfigg6313 5 років тому +12

      Then can I buy a dub sack from you 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @nasmanzoor
    @nasmanzoor 5 років тому +111

    Yup drove for two days years ago and realised the scam and never looked back again :)

  • @shangosankofa9560
    @shangosankofa9560 4 роки тому +32

    I’ve done the math also. You’re actually loosing money by driving through Uber/Lyft! It’s all a scam!!

    • @alowlytarnished5579
      @alowlytarnished5579 4 роки тому

      super kid you don’t when you have to pay for wear and tear on your vehicle

    • @alowlytarnished5579
      @alowlytarnished5579 4 роки тому

      super kid Lol do you own a car of your own and have to pay for it? Shit gets wore down after a while but specially driving dumbasses around all the time. I’m white btw

    • @alowlytarnished5579
      @alowlytarnished5579 4 роки тому

      super kid I’m sure he saved money from a previous job or something to pay for all that

    • @jamesb8305
      @jamesb8305 3 роки тому

      I make $600 a week doing ubereats part time for 20 hours a week. And that is after expenses.

    • @kamsb2831
      @kamsb2831 3 роки тому

      Well if you already have a job and a shitty car, why not driving few hours as a part time driver everyday for an extra 60$? Where is the scam here?

  • @Kalleosini
    @Kalleosini 8 років тому +297

    ''give us the option to tip our driver''
    NO.
    YOU should not have to empty your pocket so he can eat tonight, his EMPLOYER should be doing that.
    #stoptipping

    • @DreamsOfLegend
      @DreamsOfLegend 8 років тому +4

      I like Lyft cause if I want to show appreciation for good service I CAN... freedom of choice is wonderful

    • @red32303
      @red32303 8 років тому +12

      You are the employer.

    • @shinra358
      @shinra358 8 років тому +6

      +Ebon Hawk did you not hear that we are independant contractors? lol

    • @vlanoik
      @vlanoik 8 років тому +1

      +Ebon Hawk In some areas there's laws in place so an employer can pay less than minimum wage provided the tips can cover the difference (think like waiters and the like)

    • @red32303
      @red32303 8 років тому +3

      YOU are the employer

  • @KC-up7hf
    @KC-up7hf 7 років тому +916

    Buying a new car ever 2-3 years?
    Bullshit.

    • @scoobygms210
      @scoobygms210 7 років тому +11

      K 9501 right most taxis are over 10 years old if u buy a Toyota Corolla or something it will go 15 years easy

    • @YaBo1123
      @YaBo1123 7 років тому +6

      K 9501 Definitely bullshit. You called it.

    • @gsaloufarshard6294
      @gsaloufarshard6294 7 років тому +16

      I feel like even with a car like that if you're driving it an insane amount which to make any money with these companies it seems like you have to, it's only a matter time till it craps out.
      If you're just putting a few miles on it every day going back n forth to work then it can last. Am I wrong?

    • @ShidaiTaino
      @ShidaiTaino 7 років тому +25

      K 9501 uber requires your car to be 5 years old or less

    • @burns1210
      @burns1210 7 років тому +7

      10* years

  • @ikstrucking3289
    @ikstrucking3289 4 роки тому +80

    Uber is a scam, because as soon as you get smart enough to see it, you get deactivated. Click thumbs up who had this exact experience

    • @ahmedt2758
      @ahmedt2758 4 роки тому +1

      Everything Life BIG FACTS

    • @maroni64
      @maroni64 4 роки тому

      I am waiting with my lawyers to do that by them. My Uber score as a full time driver in Chicago is 4.97.

    • @desertknights5003
      @desertknights5003 4 роки тому +1

      @@maroni64 those ratings don't mean anything to them .. besides they are fake

    • @Worms_Pro
      @Worms_Pro 4 роки тому +1

      All the in app complaints got sent straight to my council so I've had my licence revoked, forget being barred from the app. The authorities don't believe customers false report for a free ride.
      I could challenge it in court but I can't afford a solicitor. I'll have to represent myself...

    • @R.u.x.x
      @R.u.x.x 4 роки тому +2

      I contacted support for several complaints with their app, they deactivated me even with a 4.98 rating 2 years and over a thousand trips. My cancelation rating was 7%, but they never mentioned anything to me about it. I even got 3 different reasons as to why they deactivated, yet when I ask for specifics, I get silence...

  • @roadyrider
    @roadyrider 4 роки тому +34

    I drove 2 days for Lyft and called it quits. I've used Lyft since then and always give a great tip in cash because I already know they're not making much.

    • @buuzy252
      @buuzy252 2 роки тому +1

      It’s not they are not making much but they spend all the money they make very rapidly in the same week. And all they do is to get that that money they spent back, at the end of the week and then their bank accounts don’t go up but instead they stay at the same level during months and months. Uber and Lyft are good if you got fired from your job and then instead of waiting to be called for an interview and loose all of your money. You can drive and make some cash during that period till you get a new job that pays well.

    • @marzlandingmedia
      @marzlandingmedia 11 місяців тому

      Being a successful driver takes strategy. Youre not going to learn it in 2 days on your own.

  • @spareknives
    @spareknives 7 років тому +521

    A car lasts 2-3 years? What kind of cars you buying

    • @kazoo3434
      @kazoo3434 7 років тому +4

      I think she's using cars you lease as an example...

    • @tmobilesucks3090
      @tmobilesucks3090 7 років тому +5

      Crystal White Mustang If you get into cost per mile, ALL vehicles, maintenance costs and repairs go up drastically at 3 yrs. Tires,shocks,fluids,etc.

    • @kevind5674
      @kevind5674 7 років тому +2

      Deez nutzz

    • @chuasmare22
      @chuasmare22 7 років тому +10

      SpareKnives when you use it for transportation 3 years is the max...u think u smart lol

    • @chrisl0081234
      @chrisl0081234 7 років тому +16

      SpareKnives when it comes to work cars it is about MILES not age! I know plenty of insurance salesmen who put 80,000 miles a year on their car! A 3 year car with 80,000 miles is 240,000 miles! The average Japanese car makes it 220,000 miles because the cost of maintenance totals the value of the car!

  • @SouthPark12369
    @SouthPark12369 7 років тому +370

    new car every two years? more like ever six or seven

    • @Swageth
      @Swageth 7 років тому +30

      Plus getting a slightly used car saves massive amounts of money

    • @OvAppolyon
      @OvAppolyon 7 років тому +16

      Not to mention that if you can do the basic repairs, like changing oil, spark plugs, tires, etc, and the fact that, as a small business, there are a lot of tax write-offs there, like fuel, maintenance, insurance, hell, maybe even a dedicated uber car, the savings start to stack up in very short order.

    • @underratedcritic1983
      @underratedcritic1983 7 років тому +9

      Yeah. This Australian lady is wrong on that. I bought a car that's a 2014 and in flawless condition. The amount of money I make in one weekend pay for that entire month's car note. And I plan on keeping this car for another five years. It's not like I'm gonna do ride share full time for the entire time I own this car. Why would I buy a new car every three years?

    • @mikeswoosh2564
      @mikeswoosh2564 7 років тому +9

      New cars don't break down. If your always in the garage your losing money

    • @mikeswoosh2564
      @mikeswoosh2564 7 років тому +3

      +OvAppolyon save yourself $100 per year by doing your own servicing is hardly going to make a difference

  • @user-db2ct5mh7b
    @user-db2ct5mh7b 4 роки тому +105

    Working for Uber is like an undercover homeless

  • @itypethetruthnobshere8975
    @itypethetruthnobshere8975 5 років тому +69

    I remember this video had hella thumbs down in 2016 when this was first put out.... Fast forward mid 2019 May as I post this. THIS VIDEO IS THE TRUTH!!!

  • @StephenRoseDuo
    @StephenRoseDuo 8 років тому +1280

    Uber is just waiting long enough for driverless cars to replace there drivers

    • @j.t.brunner7452
      @j.t.brunner7452 8 років тому +8

      Yeah, 14 years, I'm not too worried.
      mobilitylab.org/2015/08/18/ubers-plan-for-self-driving-cars-bigger-than-its-taxi-disruption/

    • @RJ_Cormac
      @RJ_Cormac 8 років тому +44

      those would cost more because then they would have to purchase vehicles, gasoline, insurance, and the support infrastructure for the fleet.

    • @StephenRoseDuo
      @StephenRoseDuo 8 років тому +20

      which would cost less overall without doubt.

    • @RJ_Cormac
      @RJ_Cormac 8 років тому +24

      How do you rationalize that, right now Uber makes 30% to 50% of the riders payment, only spending networking infrastructure and an "insurance policy" that never pays out.
      Self driving cars in 20 years would dive deeper into profits and take all liability onto them, no blaming incidents on contractor drivers. So then they'll raise prices for their interest?
      Why not raise the price now, or let the "contractor" drivers set their price just like plumbers and carpenters do. If they're a better driver or service or amenities or vehicle they shouldn't have any problems.
      Not hard to follow the math, no matter how you run the numbers, it's a minimum wage job, no benefits, no workers comp insurance, and they run their vehicles into the ground. The current setup takes advantage of drivers with a flashy marketing scheme.

    • @StephenRoseDuo
      @StephenRoseDuo 8 років тому +8

      They don't have to make money know to convince people they'll make money eventually, which is true. If they can't raise anymore VC money they would just go public to raise the money. If Amazon is any example they won't need to post a profit anytime soon.
      You're right the math doesn't work out any time soon, it just doesn't have to.

  • @zelda12346
    @zelda12346 7 років тому +140

    Look lady, if you want to live by the stats, then you die by the stats.
    You don't do this bullshit of bringing in whatever stats to do your calculations. What are the methodologies for each of these point estimates? What are the confidence levels (I'm assuming it's 95%) and confidence intervals for these estimates? Why pick California? Did you do this calculation 50 times for each state and found that California was the best case scenario? How much error is in your calculation?
    If this is the level of effort you wanted for this video, then you simply should have just looked at the claim and debunked the how they calculated it. If you don't address that, then it makes you look like you've been disingenuous with the audience by potentially leaving out a large factor that would undermine your argument.
    Considering the state of TYT atm post election, you should be as charitable as you can to your opposition with a paper trail.

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +17

      She used the figures provided by Uber for the LA market , a super intelligent person like you should be able to plug in the relevant figures for your market . I would think that somebody like you would realize that a simple calculation of revenue minus cost per mile is all that's needed , if you disagree then you need to provide your methodologies to back up your little rant

    • @zelda12346
      @zelda12346 7 років тому +13

      Ok, let's go over the methodology.
      Revenue
      You have revenue which is provided by Uber (no problem though it may or may not be representative or most conservative)
      Cost:
      1. Cut which is provided by Uber (no problem; no reason to lie about this)
      2. Tax. Ok, once you get into the realm of taxes, you need to show how this differs from every other tax one is responsible for. Do I pay sales tax but have no income tax? Do I get a deductible on this that I wouldn't get because of XYZ? You cannot simply state what sales tax is and say that this sufficient. Taxes are purposefully complicated. Simply including a flat sales tax is incredibly reductionist and must be assumed to be insufficient until shown otherwise
      3. Depreciation cost. Figure gotten from IRS. This is an estimate. What is the interval on this estimate? What are the assumptions built into this estimate? How can it be used? Why are we talking about a car in terms of future value (depreciation) as opposed to in terms of capital (expected productivity)?
      4. Addendum. These are optional. If you can't afford them, then you don't provide them or you provide less of them.
      But let's get into the meat of the matter. *I* am supposed to do *her* work for her? What you're saying is that in order for me to get anything useful out of this video, I have to do my own research. That's fine, but *that was my entire point*. This video is useless. It provides nothing that I don't already have to look for when making an informed decision. Even in the LA market, it's not sufficient to make any conclusion.

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +9

      Z-Statistic She used the Revenue as per Uber , She used Sales Tax because it is payable by the Driver in LA . The standard deduction provided by the IRS is 54 cents this is not an estimate it is fact . Depreciation is included in the 54 cents as is fuel, maintenance etc . If you want to make life complicated for yourself go ahead but the calculation is quite simple Revenue per mile minus cost per mile . You are desperately trying to sound intelligent but proving the opposite

    • @zelda12346
      @zelda12346 7 років тому +12

      You...don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you? Look, if you don't know what I'm talking about with tax deductibles, confidence intervals, or what an estimate is, please don't go to bat for people.
      "You are desperately trying to sound intelligent but proving the opposite."

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +9

      Z-Statistic You can post all the bullshit you like but all that counts is the Net profit because the Drivers are 1099's . Prove the video incorrect dont just try to impress us with your babble , it is worthless. Confidence Intervals and estimates dont pay bills , idiot.
      The necessary figures to calculate profit and loss are in the video , you are the fucking moron that fails to see them and you think applying random variables will make you sound intelligent

  • @PhD-JWT
    @PhD-JWT 5 років тому +228

    And 90 percent of the riders don’t tip!

    • @masonguritz6758
      @masonguritz6758 5 років тому +3

      James W. Thompson, Jr. I always tip. I figure that’s what they live on

    • @GlobalAdventurer
      @GlobalAdventurer 5 років тому +6

      I always tip. Sometimes I tip in person and also an additional tip through the app when I don't have enough cash on hand.

    • @joshwalters3148
      @joshwalters3148 5 років тому +8

      94% of mine do...

    • @joshwalters3148
      @joshwalters3148 5 років тому +7

      @Moe Snert always tip cash at restaurants....heard too many tales of managers taking that shit...

    • @gman5069
      @gman5069 5 років тому +8

      Why would u tip... the uber driver keeps 90% of the fare....at least thats what the general assumption is... Its not a taxi. Where they get no money from the trip unless u tip them. Only reason u tip is 1 the worker soley depends on them. Waiter, baretender, taxi....or they went above and beyond doin something special.....uber driver in his own car expects a tip? Lmfao good luck...ive tiped only a few times for special reasons otherwise theres no reason to.. they are making money on ur ride. Sometimes really good money depending on supply and demand.

  • @5tar5z
    @5tar5z 4 роки тому +12

    I will tell you as someone who drove Uber myself, it’s not worth it. After taxes , fuel, time, etc., the pay is absolute shit. I drove for 8 months in Guelph, Kitchener, Waterloo - Ontario Canada. Great service for the rider, and huge money for the business shareholders, but total scam for the drivers. Don’t believe me? go try it for yourself

    • @mofeidmoshreky3930
      @mofeidmoshreky3930 Рік тому

      The solution is that drivers unite and creat their own app, the good news is 100s of driver donated to make it happen. The app in progress and will lunch med of August in NJ and then NY and nationwide. Driver will receive $1.25/ mile and $0.25/ minute plus a resnable fee for pickup! Drivers will recive 86% of the fare and the company will 15% to cover the platform expenses

  • @stevealex2098
    @stevealex2098 5 років тому +461

    It's all fun and games until your 3,500 transmission goes out

    • @sallauddin1
      @sallauddin1 5 років тому +14

      God damn true

    • @bruceohandley2024
      @bruceohandley2024 5 років тому +5

      Yeah, mine did but it was only after a few months of doing it part time, so I can't blame Uber for it, Uber simply pushed the expiry date forward. Luckily it was under extended warranty. I have to earn a little more to pay off my Vet debts and then I will only work events with surge pricing.

    • @kingsleyzissou1120
      @kingsleyzissou1120 5 років тому +33

      @@bruceohandley2024 Point being most drivers do not factor any overhead like vehicle wear and tear, tires, wiper blades, car washes, repairing damage when a rider dents your car with their suitcase, etc etc etc. It's a sucker deal for the driver.

    • @franzchong5889
      @franzchong5889 5 років тому +3

      @@kingsleyzissou1120 it's not much different than delivering pizzas.all is well and good if you have a well off relative to help you get a really decent new or near new car but for the most part i have seen the cars used for the jobs almost as old as their owners.there were some exceptions.

    • @kingsleyzissou1120
      @kingsleyzissou1120 5 років тому +22

      @@franzchong5889 It's a lot different. You can deliver pizza in a shitty car, your car is never seen by the customer.

  • @snowdough888
    @snowdough888 7 років тому +156

    I drove for Uber, it is complete crap!!! Uber is the Walmart of moving folks...great for customers, crap for drivers

    • @hugq14
      @hugq14 7 років тому +6

      michael schneider I totally agree with you!!

    • @lylewalker5681
      @lylewalker5681 7 років тому +32

      >great for customers, crap for drivers
      So, in other words, the all-american business!

    • @gmjord
      @gmjord 7 років тому +1

      michael schneider amen!

    • @jorceshaman
      @jorceshaman 7 років тому +2

      If it was the Walmart of moving folks and comparing to moving freight... You're actually saying they're top of the line! Walmart drivers make between 85 and 130 thousand per year. It's a very very coveted job in the professional trucking industry.

    • @snowdough888
      @snowdough888 7 років тому +1

      Joshua Daniels Yes. For some bizarre reason they do. Makes me laugh. But. Do you how many truck drivers they employ? The percentage of drivers to other lost souls employed by Walmart?
      7,200 drivers to 1.4 millon American employees. Im always amazed how average Americans love to support the ultra rich instead of helping the low self esteemed lost souls of our country. All i can come up with is a lot of folks feel better looking down on others

  • @qrthrse1
    @qrthrse1 4 роки тому +106

    I was shocked to find that Uber has never made money. Everyone is getting scammed, the drivers, Uber corporate employees, stock holders. Only the riders are getting a great deal.

    • @rodstarcke5423
      @rodstarcke5423 4 роки тому +3

      Not any more!

    • @andrewmosley2588
      @andrewmosley2588 4 роки тому +22

      Just because the company has never seen a profit doesn't mean corporate employees and big wigs aren't getting paid. They are lol. Trust me.

    • @PrimalEater
      @PrimalEater 3 роки тому +4

      So you believe scammers when they tell you they don’t make a profit?
      They say this publicly to hide guilt.

    • @rs72098
      @rs72098 3 роки тому +8

      It's absolutely false, the executives make obscene amounts of money. The CEO made over 1 million in 2020, and so did many of their executives. They say they aren't profitable to hide profits that they don't want to share with shareholders. Snapchat made similar public statements the past 10 years, while their executives were raking in money, Evan Spiegel was THE highest paid CEO for several years, look it up. Yet somehow Snapchat wasn't profitable? Yeah right. There are serious corruption issues going in the stock market and public companies alike, our government has allowed criminal activity against shareholders and workers alike. The average person really has no idea how much they're being fleeced day to day. Consider Apple CEO Tim Cook who says it's too expensive to build an iphone in the U.S., they literally made 100 Billion with a B, in 3 months in PROFIT, that's after paying all their workers, materials, equipment so forth. Guess what, the stock price barely even moved, because they raised spending, aka funneled more profits to executives.

    • @zapperx4
      @zapperx4 3 роки тому +3

      Founders made over $1 Billion each

  • @mohammedisleem3338
    @mohammedisleem3338 3 роки тому +9

    When I did the math, I found out that I am making 8$ an hour working 60 hours a week!!! You end up making money but wasting your time.
    The only way Uber is good, only if you don't have a job but you are looking for a job and just trying to make some money to survive, or if you are already driving for a destination that you are already driving to. That will pay for your gas!

    • @FASFatherandSon
      @FASFatherandSon 3 роки тому

      Absolutely agree with you. I drive uber to get to my main job and back. Once they cut the destination trips in NYC it made no sense.

    • @mofeidmoshreky3930
      @mofeidmoshreky3930 Рік тому

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  • @Ghostone11
    @Ghostone11 6 років тому +1369

    i always thought uber was great for the rider, terrible for the driver

    • @DRiungi
      @DRiungi 6 років тому +75

      you've been right all along.

    • @mrfantasticguy6385
      @mrfantasticguy6385 6 років тому +22

      If it is terrible for the driver then wont they stop driving with uber? Yes you can say that "oh they don't realize taxes and the commission that uber takes". But if they look at their paycheck after taxes, then they will realize how much uber is taking away. Then people will quit doing uber and choose another transportation service or another job.

    • @XxowendanxX
      @XxowendanxX 6 років тому +31

      +MrFantasticGuy how dare you use logic when people are letting out their bile against the free market economy...don't you know making sense has nothing to do with this?

    • @ivanmius
      @ivanmius 6 років тому +6

      That's the point, taxes aren't taken out of your paycheck because Uber isn't a normal employer. You have to pay taxes from your savings. Also, some employees can't just quit. What do you say to an overworked college student living below minimum wage?

    • @TENNSUMITSUMA
      @TENNSUMITSUMA 6 років тому +15

      Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?!
      1 uber doesn't take out taxes
      2 it is shit for the drivers but it may be all they have (to spell it out for you: if you owe 10 dollars a month in living costs and you only make 9 dollars a month with uber, isn't it better to only owe 1 dollar as opposed to saying fuck uber, not having anything else in this economy and owing the full 10?!)
      3 by the logic you chose to use: if child labor in china was terrible for the child laborers, wouldn't they stop doing the work?!

  • @jeffosburn7857
    @jeffosburn7857 7 років тому +811

    Great recap but, you forgot a couple of things. I am an Uber at least for a short time. In addition to the commission charged Uber also charges the driver $1.00 per fare off the top. This dollar is suppose to pay for a 1 million dollar liability policy but, the catch is the million dollars does not cover the driver or his vehicle. It covers UBER! When Uber sends you a fare and you get there and find out it is for 6 people and you only carry up to 5 you do not get a cancellation fee even though Uber screwed up. They have you listed for up to 4 passengers, yet the rider ordered a car for 5 and you have just traveled 10 minutes and several miles in city traffic and Uber says too bad. Uber does not take care of their drivers.
    Think twice about your investment with Uber.

    • @DoubleFreedom
      @DoubleFreedom 7 років тому +15

      Really? Here in brazil you get paid the minimum ride fare if you drive at least a minimun certain distance and the ride gets cancelled.

    • @politicallyincorrectleftis3186
      @politicallyincorrectleftis3186 6 років тому +3

      As I've understood it from my insurance agent...
      * Uber's liability insurance covers them and the passengers
      * Standard car insurance doesn't cover you/your car since you are a commercial driver

    • @MyBigThing2010
      @MyBigThing2010 6 років тому +20

      PI Liberal true BUT you can call and add a "business use rider" to your policy...it's cheap, like $20-40 per policy term, just a few bucks a month extra...and if something happens to you or your car while you're conducting business you're covered by the terms of the main policy same as if the accident happened during a personal trip. I had this on my policy when delivering pizza, THANK God, because within a two week period my car was stolen and while they were paying for a rental car, some drunk asshole hit me, totaled the rental car and ME and fled the scene (was arrested the next day) and he spent Easter Sunday in jail and hung over....if I didn't have that rider on my policy, my insurance would've told me to go hump a tree...but they had to pay up ...both for the stolen car, the cost of the rental per day and they had to pay for the totaled, brand new rental and medical. That one phone call and the extra few dollars a month saved my ass and was totally worth the time on the phone to add it...which was just minutes ...

    • @salty6pence672
      @salty6pence672 6 років тому +12

      I also worked Chicago in my own car. Worked 11hours a day, and after adding everything up I was making $4 an hour. And not counting the wear and tear on my car.( I had a $4000 ex police car) I tried working different hours and locations for 3 months. ITs a rip off. And the no tips thing? Why am i going to buy you water and gum for a super cheap fare and then not even get a tip? And I swear the last week I worked, I was running large quantity drug dealers all over town.

    • @marcgoss2756
      @marcgoss2756 6 років тому +2

      I bet Uber didn't screw up, I bet the riders didn't want to pay for the upgraded service to take all of them and ordered a regular Uber. happened to me 3 times...

  • @bernardmcclay5798
    @bernardmcclay5798 4 роки тому +36

    Are you kidding, I love having to drive my Mercedes Benz 5 miles, pull up and wait and wait and wait for the rider to come out of house, drive them 1 mile to In & Out Burger and get paid $2.80, which is less than they paid the ATM machine to get the cash to pay for the #1 combo with onions

    • @AnnusMirabilus
      @AnnusMirabilus 4 роки тому +4

      "pull up and wait and wait"
      I've done the job more than 2 1/2 years and have almost 7,000 drives under my belt.
      More often that not, if I see that the ride is going to be short (with Lyf+ you can see that info) or if they're taking 3 minutes to arrive I just cancel it. I'm done with that sh**.
      They warn me, "your cancellation rate is increasing." Cool. "Fire" me. Like I give a f** anymore with your decreasing wages in the best economy in American history. SMD

  • @seanwjones07
    @seanwjones07 5 років тому +67

    Uber only works if you’re savy on what time to drive and doing it part time.

    • @Ace-sb4il
      @Ace-sb4il 4 роки тому +9

      @Jose Diaz yea its should only be used as a small supplement to youre income.

    • @nadominhoca
      @nadominhoca 4 роки тому +4

      @@Ace-sb4il Why?!? Lots of lots of drivers making decent amount of Money, paying bills, mortgage, etc. Lazy people will always be lazy.

    • @fogrecordsusa7169
      @fogrecordsusa7169 4 роки тому

      @@Ace-sb4il $2.hr is not worth it, even as a supplement.

    • @Ace-sb4il
      @Ace-sb4il 4 роки тому +2

      @@fogrecordsusa7169 who told you we make 2 bucks a hour? I just made 50 bucks in like 3 hrs in a small city.

    • @VioUk
      @VioUk 4 роки тому

      Jones206 is true

  • @ShidaiTaino
    @ShidaiTaino 7 років тому +35

    Not to mention: Über drivers are not employees. They are considered contractors, so they don't get employee benefits or insurance or hazard pay.

  • @permafrost0979
    @permafrost0979 7 років тому +39

    Uber sounds like it's good to supplement your income, it's not meant to be a career. if they raise the rates in order to pay drivers more, why would anyone use Uber rather than a taxi?

    • @GurlNxtDoor4
      @GurlNxtDoor4 7 років тому +6

      This is exactly right, Uber as a full time job isn't going to get you PAID when you add in the things she says, gas, car depreciation, taxes BUT if you are that Guy who needed $400 dollars for rent that one or a few times. Uber is a lifesaver and is a great ADDITION. She did not add in Bonuses or Surge Pricing so her numbers are a bit off.

    • @Mrfdsa1
      @Mrfdsa1 7 років тому +11

      Totally this, but sadly there are dumbasses/desperate people who think that Uber could be a career and they start driving full time which is a terrible financial idea.

    • @SadalDay
      @SadalDay 7 років тому +1

      Call me old fashioned but here in Boston i still use conventional taxis

    • @burns1210
      @burns1210 7 років тому +7

      Definitely old fashioned. This day and age, people want fast and convenient. Pull out your phone, touch a few buttons, a car arrives within minutes and drops you off. No money changing hands. It's what people want these days.

    • @Fatblue246
      @Fatblue246 7 років тому

      did you just use atrocity to describe uber prices? Are you fucking kidding me?

  • @martinmedina7232
    @martinmedina7232 5 років тому +7

    I drove for rich celebrities like Miles Teller and his supermodel wife,Laura Prepon etc. I did extra work to haul firewood, waited 15 minutes for them to finish partying, sped and took alleyways to get them to dinner on time,etc. Made less than 4 bucks,no tip! Ashton Kutcher is on the record saying you're not supposed to tip your Uber drivers.

  • @eara8426
    @eara8426 3 роки тому +3

    Driving for Uber is like borrowing a loan every day!

  • @adventurewithAngel
    @adventurewithAngel 7 років тому +776

    Uber is a side hustle not a career in my opinion

    • @vangrails
      @vangrails 7 років тому +33

      Okay, but you still have the depreciation of your car because of increased wear and tear.

    • @sozuruQ2
      @sozuruQ2 7 років тому +3

      vangrails that's why my mom is paying for my gas and car lol

    • @oliverwilson11
      @oliverwilson11 7 років тому +11

      There isn't a "side hustle" exception to the minimum wage.
      (I know Uber isn't legally subject to minimum wage law but if Uber was paying their drivers fairly they would be earning at least that amount)

    • @jlkoelker
      @jlkoelker 7 років тому +40

      It's a bad side hustle. Might as well sell cookies and lemonade. delivering pizza is WAY better than uber if you're in a pinch, and you can drive a shit car.

    • @rumpustime5460
      @rumpustime5460 7 років тому +10

      vangrails Keep in mind she was slightly off on that. If you drive for money, depreciation should be considered as taking energy from your vehicle and converting it to cash in your pocket. Dont consider depreciation of the vehicle as if it's being taken out of your pay. It's value thats being converted.

  • @HaniiPuppy
    @HaniiPuppy 7 років тому +505

    "Or by giving riders the option to tip their drivers."
    1) You have the option to anyway - there's nothing stopping you.
    2) Encouraging tipping as a means to overcome an impossibly low wage isn't an option - you're just shifting the requirement to pay your workers from the employer to the customer, who's *already* paying for the service, and shouldn't have to subsidise greedy employers.

    • @Nayr747
      @Nayr747 7 років тому +47

      HaniiPuppy This also applies to restaurants. Tipping is yet another way for companies to shift their financial burdens to others. It should be abolished.

    • @sliedogg
      @sliedogg 7 років тому +5

      ive always tipped my uber driver 20 bucks...ive only ever gone a few miles but the conversations are much better than with taxi

    • @DarkSaruman
      @DarkSaruman 7 років тому +20

      Agreed. Tipping should be abolished.

    • @BiggestOfDaddies
      @BiggestOfDaddies 6 років тому +5

      Rideshare drivers are independent contractors. They don't "work for" Uber and Lyft.

    • @harshbarj
      @harshbarj 6 років тому +6

      "1) You have the option to anyway - there's nothing stopping you." As the app does not allow you to tip, you just can't tip, it's not an option at all. If you are thinking cash, it's not the 90's anymore. People don't carry cash.

  • @metatronmen2431
    @metatronmen2431 5 років тому +19

    And you are not considering the labor time behind the wheel, driving or waiting nobody pay for.

  • @philrabe910
    @philrabe910 5 років тому +17

    Uber gets to run a cab company with none of the normal expenses associated! In other words, "Thanks, Suckers!"

    • @sownheard
      @sownheard 2 роки тому

      Exactly they just play outside of the rules by claiming there a tech company.

  • @TheRequiemOfficialReal
    @TheRequiemOfficialReal 6 років тому +295

    Don't forget that Uber is not responsible for on the clock accidents. A friend now an ex uber driver and his fare got t-boned. Uber didn't do a damn thing of paying the insurance lease, so he and his rider have been in and out of court with the uber company. They're saying that they're not responsible but the judge ordered Uber to pay a total sum of $700+k in car damages and hospital bills. Homie got a new car from his insurance company.

    • @katie7748
      @katie7748 6 років тому +2

      That's why you're required to have your car covered. It'd be more money out of their pocket otherwise.

    • @TheRequiemOfficialReal
      @TheRequiemOfficialReal 5 років тому +18

      EvlDmon No they don't, they paid my friend $130k between hospital bills and new car. Uber had to buy him a brand new car by order of the court and his insurance policy

    • @shafanmohamed7783
      @shafanmohamed7783 5 років тому

      Great

    • @shafanmohamed7783
      @shafanmohamed7783 5 років тому

      Requiem Entertainment great

    • @jahjoeka
      @jahjoeka 5 років тому

      J Smith wow! Ur not a legal expert? I hardly can't tell!

  • @pillycay7611
    @pillycay7611 5 років тому +103

    Uber is the coolest scam, exploiting the unemployed

  • @patrickpmd84
    @patrickpmd84 5 років тому +17

    Uber makes money by robbing money out of your account

  • @YouthVideoQuest
    @YouthVideoQuest 5 років тому +40

    Uber LA is reduced to .60 per mile. May 8th 2019 LAX Strike

    • @SerbyWafflesTech
      @SerbyWafflesTech 5 років тому +1

      I quit in October

    • @m.b.3916
      @m.b.3916 4 роки тому +1

      Who cares about a dumb strike, people just need to stop driving already

  • @kimk2635
    @kimk2635 5 років тому +36

    Anyone being self employed understands this.

  • @ikeski123
    @ikeski123 5 років тому +246

    If I continued to drive for Uber .. I would be homeless 🏡.

    • @kamaaladiin
      @kamaaladiin 4 роки тому

      This is good for future competitors

    • @nadominhoca
      @nadominhoca 4 роки тому +6

      @Yavuz Adam No. Uber doesn't hire you, you hire Uber as a platform to make money. As simple as that.

    • @Pinkielover
      @Pinkielover 4 роки тому +2

      i am homeless lol

    • @Toonplay373
      @Toonplay373 4 роки тому

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @kjchard
      @kjchard 4 роки тому +3

      I’m making 40k in a low cost of living part of country. Y’all must be stupid

  • @abduabdi246
    @abduabdi246 4 роки тому +13

    😭 😭 😭 😭 I’ve been driving uber for the past 2.5 years and not even covered my expenses after i left thanks god i am well now

  • @hudson2441
    @hudson2441 5 років тому +39

    They get around a lot of rules traditional transportation is required to follow by claiming to not be an employer. UBER takes 30% of your action for doing nothing except running an app. Then you factor in expenses and guess what... I see a lot of drivers on food stamps.

    • @PattayaWanksta
      @PattayaWanksta 5 років тому +1

      Yeah right. I wanna be far far away when the computers start driving on snow...

    • @toysoldier46552
      @toysoldier46552 5 років тому +3

      Technically most taxi drivers are subcontractors, I know I was when I drove and made a hell of a lot more money driving taxi and was allowed to accept tips.

    • @PattayaWanksta
      @PattayaWanksta 5 років тому +1

      @@toysoldier46552 I guess what we are as drivers depends alot on where we drive. I mean, its kinda impossible to compare Scandinavia and California, both the local regulations and the markets is pretty different. But one thing is the same on a global basis: Uber doesnt really "help" cabbies, the just screw up our market and jobs just by using modern slave labour.

    • @toysoldier46552
      @toysoldier46552 5 років тому +2

      @@PattayaWanksta Yeah I'm from Indiana so the states. I was against Uber and other such services when they first came about, and I stand by what I said in the past. Taxi cab drivers must go through physical examinations and thorough background investigations. I do not believe Uber does that considering I've seen horror stories of women getting raped by drivers.

    • @jeangenibrel2149
      @jeangenibrel2149 4 роки тому

      Uber does not EMPLOY the drivers. They are self-employed just like people who sell stuff on Ebay or Facebook. Uber gives 70% of the take to the drivers. The rest goes to running the company and make profits for the shareholders. Where do you see A LOT of drivers on food stamps? If they are on food stamps they are not making enough money if they only drive a few hours a week. Keep in mind also that every city, State and country is totally different. If the governments stick their nose in the business definitely the drivers will make less like in France.

  • @dankohl3289
    @dankohl3289 7 років тому +441

    Scam if you are a driver. If you are a rider it's pretty good

    • @AleTitan
      @AleTitan 7 років тому +1

      Yeah. You don't get beaten in the back of the head by drunks

    • @Gabriellaella23
      @Gabriellaella23 7 років тому +1

      Not a scam. We spoke to a driver who said he drove for yellow cab for 16 years and he makes a ton more money than he did on Uber. He said he had to pay fees to the company every week even if he didn't make that much. With Uber he doesn't have to pay unless he gets rides.

    • @kevinal
      @kevinal 7 років тому +9

      LOL I was thinking the same thing. IT'S A SCAM, IT'S A SCAM, IT'S SCAM! Oh but it's totally okay that I support this scam by being a frequent Uber/Lyft rider. Well she is from the Young Turks, so that explains this BS video.

    • @DickCheneyXX
      @DickCheneyXX 7 років тому +1

      To save money?

    • @Gabriellaella23
      @Gabriellaella23 7 років тому +13

      *****
      I guess its kinda like shopping at walmart...

  • @incoherentturd
    @incoherentturd 7 років тому +40

    That's not how income taxes work. You don't pay the same as sales tax. It is tiered based on your income, with amounts taxed at varying levels, and that's just the federal tax not including applicable state taxes. Very few people end up paying 10% (10% is the low end!) most pay more, even after applicable deductibles.
    I mean your probably not far off, Uber drivers absorb much of the costs and actual earnings are lower than Uber pretends they are, but to call this video "math" is pretty insulting to math.

    • @Antexjerr1
      @Antexjerr1 7 років тому +3

      Muh Name she also subtracted the 0.54 cents. It is written off at the end of the year so that negates it not adds it to the total paid out.

    • @jeffc5974
      @jeffc5974 7 років тому +1

      You don't get the 54 cents back. You just don't have to pay taxes on that 54 cents.

    • @Antexjerr1
      @Antexjerr1 7 років тому +1

      Jeff C not having to pay the $0.54 negates what she said.

    • @blackmantis001
      @blackmantis001 7 років тому +4

      Once you become an independent contractor your car note, insurance and gas used for business purposes is tax deductible.

    • @huverdoose
      @huverdoose 7 років тому

      She's not talking about income tax. She's talking about sales tax.

  • @mrbriceno3949
    @mrbriceno3949 Рік тому +2

    I did the math myself one day and i realized I was making a lot less than minimum wage. Uber preys on desperate people.

  • @romansh1357
    @romansh1357 3 роки тому +5

    I’ve driven for Uber and it was a nightmare

  • @t1910j
    @t1910j 7 років тому +317

    I am an über driver and let me say everything this lady said is absolutely true. Sad but true. Truth be told.

    • @kevinliang9502
      @kevinliang9502 7 років тому +1

      Do you still drive for uber?

    • @miplev
      @miplev 7 років тому +3

      So why do you still do it...??? You just support the scam, which is why they can still be in business.

    • @darkwingduck47
      @darkwingduck47 7 років тому +1

      nope, the only reason they are in business (and why they appeared in the first place) is the billions of investor money

    • @t1910j
      @t1910j 7 років тому +1

      Kevin Liang ... I still do sometimes but I cut back a lot.

    • @uneducatedshet7589
      @uneducatedshet7589 7 років тому +1

      She's not really right. If you're smart and not afraid, in some cities you can make some fast money. But she's definitely cute. Looks like a good passenger. But eventually cab apps will disconnect you because the crazy, hideous passangers will get to you. At least half your money will go to taxes, car, insurance, maintenance, tickets... if you drive safe!

  • @rhoadnaroahs
    @rhoadnaroahs 7 років тому +34

    So, if they're such a rip-off, why are taxi companies pissed off about losing business and some cities are even banning drivers from working there?

    • @terencelutre6195
      @terencelutre6195 7 років тому +3

      Because they are deceitfully recruited

    • @Ecosiuman
      @Ecosiuman 7 років тому +17

      We said it for a thousand time: SCAM FOR DRIVERS, GOOD FOR RIDERS.

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +10

      rhoadnaroahs Taxi companies are pissed off because they abide by the regulations which require commercial insurance , meters, medallions and background checks which UBER does not .

    • @rhoadnaroahs
      @rhoadnaroahs 7 років тому +4

      aidan conneely
      Well, when all the Uber drivers realize it's a rip-off and quit, the taxi drivers will have their monopoly back. :)

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +5

      rhoadnaroahs When will that be ? Uber is paying out incentives to lure in new suckers so in the meantime are Taxis supposed to keep paying their overhead until UBER collapses .? Why should Taxis pay the Cities to operate when those same Cities allow UBER to operate outside the regualtions . A level playing field has to be created. Keep in mind UBER still makes no profit so the drivers could quit or the investors could bale

  • @TheBlack1pearl
    @TheBlack1pearl 5 років тому +8

    This is the Real Facts of Uber and Lyft.
    I watch this video before i drove for both Companies and found out that she ain't lying,
    If you don't believe her try for yourself

    • @davidtavares4006
      @davidtavares4006 2 роки тому

      lmao i dont believe her i have bein doin it for 5 years. too many ppl cryin on these comments ... it isnt real facts, u put urself working for a company and work over 60 hrs a week to make shit money as a truck driver i do 40 hours a week to make just as much and i dont have no one to answer to coz i work for myself. when you hustle for it , it becomes just like any other job. you should try puttin 40 hrs a week into and let me know how that goes. good luck!

  • @chandlerwhite8302
    @chandlerwhite8302 5 років тому +28

    What you are leaving out is that every expense associated with your vehicle is deductible. Gas, car washes, repairs, alignment, oil changes, and mileage are significant tax deductions.

    • @phillv
      @phillv 5 років тому +10

      true but if you take the standard mileage deduction you cant deduct repairs, maintenance gas etc, you have to have to choose one method or the other and you cant switch methods from year to year

    • @maskedmarvyl4774
      @maskedmarvyl4774 5 років тому +5

      Not anymore. Trump changed the tax code and I now owe $1600. Last year I paid almost nothing.

    • @lisle12345
      @lisle12345 5 років тому +2

      I was thinking the same thing but surprisingly those deductions are actually greater than your income for the entire year

    • @KnightofAntiquity
      @KnightofAntiquity 5 років тому +3

      @@TyJohnson Just cause you paid less in taxes this year does not mean people do not owe taxes. Trump and the GOP removed and reduced alot of deductions that regular people used. Myself included. Thanks to Trump I couldn't push 4k of my income into a lower bracket. Great job dipshit.

    • @devaughny
      @devaughny 5 років тому +1

      @@KnightofAntiquity Get a real CPA and stopping using TurboTax

  • @LansingLawnServiceLLC
    @LansingLawnServiceLLC 7 років тому +77

    I just got my taxes ready for 2016. I drove for Uber for 3 months in winter 2016. Uber said they paid me $4181.56. $1170.05 in January, $1796.76 in February, and $1035.74 in March. I was able to take home $2364.63 however this does not deduct insurance or w & t. Anyone who drives for Uber knows the w & t costs are through the roof. Also, insurance costs are through the roof to have rideshare insurance that is why most drivers don't carry it. And don't forget that if you have a used car Uber has a year limit on how old your vehicle can be. Driving for Uber full time for 3 months I brought home $2364.63. Divide that by 3 and you get $788.21 per month. Divide that by 4 and you get $197.05 per week. And this is not figuring in w & t and insurance. This video is spot on accurate.

    • @isaelomy
      @isaelomy 6 років тому +2

      Did you know that you can deduct the car depreciation from your taxes? where i live(Puerto Rico), i can deduct a Max of $6,000 on my taxes calculations(on the US is $11,000). This is because i can deduct 10,000 miles from using my own car at work, at a rate of $0.60 per mile. You can also deduct the gas expenses, repair expenses, Etc.

    • @katie7748
      @katie7748 6 років тому

      Depends where you live. Some people don't get anything but the set mileage.

    • @jeweleratlarge
      @jeweleratlarge 5 років тому

      What is W & T ?

  • @ssh83
    @ssh83 8 років тому +48

    Your math is sound for normal rate but SURGE rate is where driver make the most money (and customers get shafted with outrageous price). You need to look at that if you care about completeness and accuracy.

    • @lazymastermind5995
      @lazymastermind5995 8 років тому +3

      Her math is atrocious because there's something called The law of diminishing returns that she failed to implement into her formula

    • @j.t.brunner7452
      @j.t.brunner7452 8 років тому +2

      +Jack Pavlov Yes, diminishing returns, I was just thinking about that today myself +1

    • @ScIQ
      @ScIQ  7 років тому +9

      +Jack Pavlov No matter what law you use, you're still not gong to be making the $19 that Uber promises you as a full time driver. Full time drivers don't have the luxury of waiting for surge pricing

    • @j.t.brunner7452
      @j.t.brunner7452 7 років тому +5

      ScIQ Agreed, no only that but there are only so many hours in a day that actually do surge. Uber sends you a nice little graph each week showing you the hours you worked versus the busiest times in your area. On top of that surge is a myth and bad joke perpetuated on the drivers. Countless times I have either driven to an area with surge or already been there when it happens only to either get nothing or get a ride outside the surge area, usually 15-20 minutes away. I used to think it was because other drivers in the area were getting the rides until I looked at the rider app and saw that there were few other cars in the area. If the cheap pax choose to click Notify Me When Surge Ends that doesn't end the surge. It appears as though the surge only ends when enough gullible drivers rush to the area hoping to score but end up with nothing. Surge ends, cheap ass pax get rides, drivers that rushed in from 20 mins away get to drive their cheap assess 2 miles and make $4 after wasting $1.50 in gas and 30 minutes of time. So now half the hour is gone, you made $2.50 gonna need one hell of a surge to make $16.50 in the next 30 minutes which will never happen. If you are lucky another ride will come in as you drop the first off, but that is rare. More than likely you will drive around or sit for 10-15 minutes before the next one comes in. Again probably a 2-3 mile dirt cheap fare, by the end of the hour you may hit $6-8. The $19/hr number is best case scenario in a good market, in reality it is closer to worst case most of the time.

    • @nunyabiznez4408
      @nunyabiznez4408 7 років тому +1

      WRONG. you're fooling yourself kid, no one else, just yourself.

  • @thomasraustin
    @thomasraustin 5 років тому +50

    She just described the entire global economy

    • @danhamelgigx.398
      @danhamelgigx.398 5 років тому +1

      Touche

    • @edwardyang8254
      @edwardyang8254 5 років тому +1

      If that's all you heard, you probably have hearing or comprehending problem.

    • @28alpaccino
      @28alpaccino 5 років тому +1

      I totally agree with you, the work force system is made for slavery, If you don't think out of the box and open your own business youll be trapped all your life working to pay rent, bills and making those big corporations richer and richer.

    • @Wenkyplays
      @Wenkyplays 3 роки тому

      Sounds like your a sucker

  • @rfimor
    @rfimor 5 років тому +7

    I used to drive Uber for a day in LA and made about $10 per hour. This was before taking into account fuel and depreciation costs. $19 an hour is totally unrealistic.

    • @terrellewilliams2188
      @terrellewilliams2188 5 років тому

      Temp User I use to live in LA and I heard gas went up dramatically

    • @logicalblackman8228
      @logicalblackman8228 2 роки тому

      You probably weren’t even making $10 an hour when you factor in the diminished value of your car.

  • @rclover828
    @rclover828 7 років тому +30

    She's right I've been driving for Uber for 5 months now in the San Francisco Bay Area and racking up 2,000 miles per week. That's 8,000 miles per month and at this rate I will rack up 96.000 miles by years end. In 3 years my 2017 Toyota Prius will have 300,000 miles and be worthless since the life expectancy of a car averages about 150,000 miles according to "Consumer Reports" and 250,000 miles if your car is really well maintained. I paid $25,000 for my Prius and that's a hefty expense considering I only average about $18 per hour (driving weekdays). With minimum wage in San Francisco going to $15 per hour I'm making well below minimum wage after expenses. Time to wake up and get another job before my car breaks down.

    • @hookey24
      @hookey24 6 років тому +2

      Her math is 24 cents for the car but your statement brings it down to 16.6 cents and since you driven 300,000 miles, your true cost was only 8.3 sents. She has a very bad maths

    • @68404
      @68404 6 років тому

      Serves you right for buying a Prius

    • @Mrwiseguy101690
      @Mrwiseguy101690 6 років тому

      Come on man a Prius? I know it has good fuel economy but you could've at least gotten a Hyundai Ioniq.

    • @nathanbanks2354
      @nathanbanks2354 6 років тому

      It's probably only possible to make money by buying seven year old cars and running them into the ground...but even $18/hour isn't worth it. I thought about driving for uber until I realized they wouldn't let me use my 15 year old junker, so now I just do ride shares if it's convenient.

  • @mariosapostolou3087
    @mariosapostolou3087 6 років тому +241

    I drove for uber for a year , unless you do 12 hr shifts, at least 6 days a week , you really can't make a living , I hated every hour of it , , oh and as for pool jobs ! Forget it ! Great for the rider , poor drivers get Fucked ,

    • @j0hnnykn0xv1lle
      @j0hnnykn0xv1lle 6 років тому +10

      it's meant for supplemental income, now full time work, and on top of that it's not like it's breaking rocks for fuck sakes you sit on your ass all day

    • @Reiyreiyreiy1
      @Reiyreiyreiy1 6 років тому +15

      In morning rush hour I make 80-100 in 3 hours
      In 8 hours I make around 120-160 on a weekdays working 4am-1pm
      On Fridays 11am-3am I make 300. Saturdays I work 12pm-3am and make 375-400. Plus incentive
      It works if you save gas receipts, maintenance receipts, lunch food/breakfast receipts etc.. just gotta know how to make it work.

    • @mariosapostolou3087
      @mariosapostolou3087 6 років тому +9

      Meldoies17 bollocks , when you calculate the mileage and what the rate is even on Serg prices it is impossible, stop telling lies to people , your bang out of order !

    • @Reiyreiyreiy1
      @Reiyreiyreiy1 6 років тому +4

      Marios Apostolou lol dude I make my money. Idc if you believe me or not. In the city of Boston ubering is the shit.

    • @mariosapostolou3087
      @mariosapostolou3087 6 років тому +2

      Meldoies17 I speak as a Londoner , are you in the USA ? If you I I cannot comment

  • @Chickie1019
    @Chickie1019 5 років тому +10

    Thanks for breaking down all the expenses. I'm a Uber driver with 0 ride. Why? Because I didn't accept any ride after DAY 1. I was looking for a job, and Uber seemed the last option for those hopeless unemployment people. It's 20th century, you can google almost everything. Average salary is about $10~$12/hr for Uber drivers. I stopped there and "Fk, I'm not gonna do this sh!tty job." I'm not a math expert, but I can estimate quickly in my head: $12/hr - Gas for the trip - Tax - Maintenance - Insurance - New Car (the more you drive, the faster you gonna buy new car) - Gas for driving to the customers' place - Accident = super low wage

    • @markperry2827
      @markperry2827 5 років тому

      You are talking about the USA.
      Make bank outside USA.

    • @terrellewilliams2188
      @terrellewilliams2188 5 років тому

      I use to be on Uber side but in 2019 you speaking 100% major facts

  • @jasonschannel9526
    @jasonschannel9526 4 роки тому +2

    I was a cab driver, and it's just not worth it. The vehicle I drove was the companies, but 12 hour shifts and praying you get rids can mean losing money on the day/night. I wouldn't even dream of driving more own vehicle for Lyft or Uber.

  • @yunior12
    @yunior12 5 років тому +148

    Uber sucks for the drivers.

    • @blyat4842
      @blyat4842 5 років тому +4

      The New Crusades no it doesn't lol

  • @markviereck4547
    @markviereck4547 7 років тому +52

    I did one trip for uber. It took me 40 minutes and I got paid $3.00. I quit

    • @successconnexions7016
      @successconnexions7016 7 років тому +9

      Ian Viereck
      Uber in Houston is horrible! The company doesn't care about the drivers. Their loyalty is with the riders, period. I think Uber drivers should protest for better pay and go on a strike for a day or two nationwide. The riders ride almost for free! I took 2 people from near Bellaire to George Bush airport in MY CAR, in all the crazy traffic. After Uber deducted their commission, I was paid $20.23! $20 from Bellaire to. George Bush?? That was my third day of driving, and I'd used up a quarter of my gas tank ($10.00) to make that one trip. So minus the gas, I was left with $10 from that trip. Considering the wear and tear on the car and the 25% IRS taxes I have to pay, It was disgusted! I felt horribly sad for being abused that way, and I never went on another trip. Working as Uber driver is nothing but modern day slavery. They should increase the fares and pay the drivers more. Houston SUCKS for Uber driving!!!!

    • @vmelkon
      @vmelkon 6 років тому +7

      They are paying 0.90$/mile
      3.00$ / 0.90$/mile = 3.33 miles
      You drove 3.33 miles.
      3.33 miles in 40 min
      3.33 miles / (40/60)h = 5 miles/h
      Your speed was 5 miles/h

    • @empiregeof
      @empiregeof 6 років тому

      So basicly those people who picked up were probally better of stealing a bike
      a) its faster
      b) its cheaper

  • @adamsmith2719
    @adamsmith2719 3 роки тому +2

    In Russia there is no Uber but non-written contract between people. You need a taxi - you just wave and soon some private car stops and you've got your taxi. You ride it, you pay, all done. No Uber, no Lyft, no pay cut, no nothing. Fair and square :-)

  • @komahianor
    @komahianor 5 років тому +4

    I wanted to do Uber so much until I sit and crunch the numbers and found it's gonna be my lost. My wife warned me against it and she was right.

  • @Zahlenteufel1
    @Zahlenteufel1 5 років тому +686

    *DO NOT* rely on tips. You did this with restaurants and such and it is a slave system in many cases. Do not repeat this mistake.

    • @BuddyGLee
      @BuddyGLee 5 років тому +11

      Zahlenteufel1 ? Servers make amazing money on tips

    • @mmafyasco
      @mmafyasco 5 років тому +17

      Zahlenteufel1 when you say "you did this with restaurants and such" who are you talking to? who is "you" ? The employees? The employers? The whole labor system?

    • @babyplaneswalker341
      @babyplaneswalker341 5 років тому +15

      Servers do not make amazing money on tips at all unless they are on the right shift at the right job in the right town. I know servers at a waffle house where 1st shift makes alot of money but 2nd and 3rd shift servers make maybe 100 a week in tips. Sometimes not even that

    • @ryuranzou
      @ryuranzou 5 років тому +10

      Yeah screw tips. The less businesses with tips the better. I know waiters get paid well with tips but I'd rather that cost just goes on to the bill.

    • @websurfer4672
      @websurfer4672 5 років тому +11

      True. I am against the system of tips. They should have proper salary so that they do not have to rely so much on tips

  • @debunkified
    @debunkified 6 років тому +392

    I drove for these guys, they completely bite. They use a completely unfair star rating system in which if a passenger is having a bad day, they will simply hit the one star and destroy your whole entire career. Real fair right?

    • @mikxy_
      @mikxy_ 6 років тому +115

      EZwA what the fuck are you typing lol

    • @eder2153
      @eder2153 6 років тому +8

      Haz Gaming - Funny moments! Uber language i guess.

    • @mindfreaksunny3848
      @mindfreaksunny3848 6 років тому +9

      Haz Gaming - Funny moments! His typing seems like a 7 years kid keyboarding

    • @mikxy_
      @mikxy_ 6 років тому +1

      mindfreakSunny yea lol

    • @debunkified
      @debunkified 6 років тому +5

      laotzu4272 At the time I did. When that's all I really knew how to do and that was all I was good at, at the time. When there wasn't any plans of getting screwed for doing a good job. Since then my expectations have gone way up and I no longer depend on anybody for a career.

  • @benniestraughan8246
    @benniestraughan8246 5 років тому +4

    Uber charges 50% to 60% less than regular taxis. They are charging way below the market average.

    • @sk-sn2ix
      @sk-sn2ix 5 років тому

      You are an idiot if you are saying dont just google stuff check the facts

  • @alisherrs
    @alisherrs 3 роки тому +3

    Im 1000% agree with you. I worked for Uber last 2 years and currently I have 0$ in my account. I wish I have watched that video before

  • @Cichlidman
    @Cichlidman 7 років тому +284

    I drove for 2 years and finally realized i was paying to drive. If you drive for Uber nowadays most not all are paying to drive

    • @Cichlidman
      @Cichlidman 7 років тому

      +D D please read my post again

    • @Cichlidman
      @Cichlidman 7 років тому

      +D D please study my response before asking such questions

    • @Cichlidman
      @Cichlidman 7 років тому +12

      +D D I didn't pay Uber directly after my expenses and after 2 years I maid a net loss over the 2 years. Just like she says it seems like your making money but when you put it all together most not all aren't making much and some are paying to drive

    • @Cichlidman
      @Cichlidman 7 років тому +3

      +Neko Farmer I had another job that supplemented my Uber job

    • @Cichlidman
      @Cichlidman 7 років тому +33

      Dave Young Actually I make really good money working in government I dude I was stopped driving a year ago and was just trying to add to the conversation why do you have to be so full of hate. I'm a man a father a veteran and I try to live a life according to the good lord I'm sure I've accomplished more in my life the most

  • @Hood_mexikan
    @Hood_mexikan 7 років тому +802

    Sad thing is that the add for this video was an uber ad lol

    • @matiasbarrios7983
      @matiasbarrios7983 7 років тому +1

      Hoodmexican4life same here!! wtf!!

    • @LorddKenny
      @LorddKenny 7 років тому +1

      Hoodmexican4life lol

    • @Hood_mexikan
      @Hood_mexikan 7 років тому

      Matias Barrios I'm saying lol

    • @elizabethemami5673
      @elizabethemami5673 7 років тому +2

      Well yeah it says Uber in the title lol. Ads are lined up to video content

    • @218Flows
      @218Flows 7 років тому +6

      missed it cause i have adblock

  • @darrellgene
    @darrellgene 5 років тому +6

    I hear you. I clear at least $1500 weekly and drive about 50 hours. Gas about $300 weekly. Really know math taxes etc. If your not in this to make a profit then why are you doing this?

    • @kamsb2831
      @kamsb2831 3 роки тому

      so you end up with around 1000$/week, thats good money. But it depend on the location and if you do XL or Luxe. Where are you located?

  • @stephendesoto
    @stephendesoto 5 років тому +11

    i feel the same as the other people commenting below. time to quit uber driving

  • @AlexS-oj8qf
    @AlexS-oj8qf 7 років тому +2538

    The IRONY when I get Uber advertisement watching this video 😂

    • @shreyanshvalentino
      @shreyanshvalentino 7 років тому +6

      Christian Djami same here in India

    • @lrmcatspaw1
      @lrmcatspaw1 7 років тому +33

      That is not Irony... thats a coincidence.

    • @dlwatib
      @dlwatib 7 років тому +46

      It's definitely not a coincidence. It's a deliberate choice made by Google Ads. The title mentions Uber so Google assumes you are interested in using Uber if you click on it.

    • @chillmegachill
      @chillmegachill 7 років тому +5

      There's a pool of ads associated with the video, thus it is still coincidence.

    • @EricRickards
      @EricRickards 6 років тому +6

      Guiyz stap fighting! Can't it be an 'ironic coincidence'?. Irony does not have to be deliberately intentional, only seemingly intentional; which is what Chistian Djami has interpreted. Although, irony is usually is used in a literary sense, not a visual one.

  • @goncaloaguiar
    @goncaloaguiar 7 років тому +19

    Using that logic every business is a scam.

    • @RAHULTMNT100
      @RAHULTMNT100 7 років тому +1

      not every business pays its employees such low wages for the work they do.

  • @neils9739
    @neils9739 5 років тому +29

    Im a Union Electrician. I feel for people in this world. Support Unions and there will be a living wage for all people!

    • @TomHiel
      @TomHiel 4 роки тому

      Mike Tython's Lisp your unions are more rich then all electricians together. Unions are against modern economy. When you are well educated and work a lot, you earn more. When you didn't finish highschool and can't get a decent job, then you are in trouble. And that's fair. Simple as that. You want higher wages for the lower incomes? Then the consumer has to pay a higher price for his products and services. Who will pay for that? That same worker. Unions are poison for global economy and should be shot.

    • @macneoh7418
      @macneoh7418 4 роки тому +2

      The solution is simple, stop importing junk from third world countries.

    • @PattayaWanksta
      @PattayaWanksta 4 роки тому +1

      I'm a Union Taxi driver, to me Uber is worse than the devil...

    • @PattayaWanksta
      @PattayaWanksta 4 роки тому +1

      @@TomHiel why is it fair that the shareholders get all the money, for doing nothing, instead of the boys and girls out there doing the job? I'd much rather me getting the money from my own labor than some fat cat shareholder in Switzerland or Saudi or whatever...

    • @neils9739
      @neils9739 4 роки тому

      @@PattayaWanksta I bet it is. Try to hang in the best you can. I feel for you. I heard Uber/Lyft drivers can barely make minimum wage. What would entice someone to work for such a subpar company?

  • @Adam-mj5hl
    @Adam-mj5hl 3 роки тому +1

    The thing with Uber & Lyft that makes them a scam is that they don’t own their ride sharing vehicles. Therefore they pass on all the wear & tear, maintenance costs, & depreciation onto their drivers.

  • @brainboy109
    @brainboy109 7 років тому +102

    OK so wouldn't this mean eventually no one will drive for Uber and the company will die out?

    • @brainboy109
      @brainboy109 7 років тому

      Rademenes Polański
      what would that be?

    • @americanbattlechampionship656
      @americanbattlechampionship656 7 років тому +6

      Mr. Gabe Uber is going to go driverless in the future your uber will show up with no one in it.

    • @brainboy109
      @brainboy109 7 років тому +3

      American Battle Championships
      and until then? That won't be until awhile from now. Uber is still going strong

    • @ShidaiTaino
      @ShidaiTaino 7 років тому

      Mr. Gabe no because if look at the like to dislike ratio and the comments, there are a lot of Über fanboys/girls

    • @brainboy109
      @brainboy109 7 років тому

      Francisco
      I know that. Uber obviously has a strong business model that has plenty of people employed and happy. I was trying to figure out how they made such a statement.

  • @carlshahverd6674
    @carlshahverd6674 7 років тому +314

    That's why as an independent contractor (Uber Driver) you can write off Gas, Depreciation, the Bottles of water, gum, lunch, etc.

    • @ScIQ
      @ScIQ  7 років тому +42

      That's why I didn't include income tax at all. So, "write them off" what exactly?

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +40

      Carl Shahverd You do realize you have to make a profit to take a writeoff

    • @jayphelix4221
      @jayphelix4221 7 років тому +5

      as a business expense, as well as your gas, and other expenses.

    • @xlightandshadex
      @xlightandshadex 7 років тому +3

      We still make profit after taking the standard mileage deduction. It might not be a lot, and I still qualify for freaking food stamps and Medicaid, but there is a profit. And be careful trying to take a write off for lunches.

    • @carlshahverd6674
      @carlshahverd6674 7 років тому +1

      @SciQ As a tax write off.

  • @rayman7712
    @rayman7712 5 років тому +16

    To make Uber and Lyft work for you, one cannot apply the traditional “taxi” math you are using here. This whole (value) per mile formula is pointless. As a driver, you have to first be honest with yourself about how much money you can make per day in the are you live. I live in Fayetteville, NC. I know that I can put in about 8 to 9 hours a day and make about $120 a day, average. I can however make more than that in Raleigh, about $150 to $175 a day. On average, I’m looking between $39,000 and $43,000 a year. Yes, that is before and vehicle related expenses, but I can control those expenses. I know where the good deals are for oil changes, I’ve learned to do much of my own vehicle maintenance, I don’t sit with the engine running for long periods of time, and I do set aside a certain portion of my earnings for tire repairs and fuel. I treat this like its my own business, keeping track of all my receipts, being aware of the best times and best places, offering the best service I can. I also don’t live outside of my means. I make it work for me and my bills get paid. Can Uber do better by me? Absolutely. But, it’s not the doom and gloom math you have in this video.

    • @gogoldude
      @gogoldude 3 роки тому +1

      True brother...

    • @dalonkelon6771
      @dalonkelon6771 3 роки тому +2

      Best explanation man! Some people just go into it expecting it to be all worry free..

    • @charltonthompson1173
      @charltonthompson1173 3 роки тому +1

      I see what your saying, but the whole point of the video is that you would be better off getting a “real” (don’t mean this in a condescending way) job with benefits. Uber works in my opinion if you’ve recently been fired/layed off and are looking for work.

    • @davidtavares4006
      @davidtavares4006 2 роки тому +2

      i agree i love doing uber for over 5 years now. its a REAL job ive done more and gained more by doin uber then any other job ive ever had, specially i dont have no one to answer too why im late etc etc. ppl talk hella shit bout it but the truth is not everyone is suitable for it and they talk shit bc some are just jealous. lol. sadly thats the truth. thanks to uber i own a house l, 2 cars one bein mainly for uber only and the other just for sunday cruises and carshows gotta love doing that when u have time in ur hands coz when u work for urself you can do watever you want. and when it comes to irs just get a good accountant it will help u trust me u get the most out of it.

  • @josephcrook17
    @josephcrook17 2 роки тому +1

    UBER used to have a large surge fee. Drivers could do well with that. The surge was changed and profit was down the drain. I bought a used van. It was depreciated when I got it. I am mechanical and that helped. The profit is severely limited now. I had friends that lost money driving for UBER.

  • @curtismaxwell1964
    @curtismaxwell1964 7 років тому +26

    I drive for uber on my commute to work and home. I pick up 3-5 rides a day, on a route that I have to do in order to go to my regular job. This works for me.

    • @amaganaz
      @amaganaz 7 років тому

      curtis maxwell that's cool lol

    • @Mrfdsa1
      @Mrfdsa1 7 років тому +3

      For you it works perfectly (Uber is good for some extra income on the side) but there are to many fools who think that Uber can replace a full time job and quite honostly for what I see in how it pays in non peak hours I don't see that happening.

    • @curtismaxwell1964
      @curtismaxwell1964 7 років тому +1

      Correct, not a full time job for me , but not a scam

    • @scottiew7286
      @scottiew7286 7 років тому +1

      No such thing is a pre-set "route" on Uber, one person could take you way of course

    • @curtismaxwell1964
      @curtismaxwell1964 7 років тому

      You can set two destinations a day

  • @Clifmill
    @Clifmill 7 років тому +26

    UBER is upfront about the fact that you have to file your own taxes, but you have to pay income tax regardless AND you can write off your mileage and expenses.
    The $.90 rate is just downright false. In ohio the rate is $1.40 per mile and $.16 per minute.
    If you plan your routes and go out during peak hours, then you can make okay money. It's not great money, but you get to make your own schedule, which is great a great way for this stay home dad to supplement my wife's income.

    • @hansnyberg4661
      @hansnyberg4661 7 років тому

      As fareas I can see Columbus is the only Uber city in Ohio. Tthe current UberX fares in Columbus
      Base Fare$0.50
      +Per Minute$0.18
      +Per Mile$1.10

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому

      Clif Millimen The .90 cpm rate is in LA which she clearly stated in the Video so it is your statement that is false

    • @Clifmill
      @Clifmill 7 років тому

      Sorry, you're right about the fares. I can't remember where I got my numbers, but I just looked at my waybills and I was clearly incorrect. Though, you can drive UBER in any city in Ohio. I started in Toledo and work in Columbus now and I often get emails from UBER about events in Cleveland and Cincinnati.
      Regardless, whether or not UBER takes out taxes, you have to pay them. That is unavoidable.

    • @Clifmill
      @Clifmill 7 років тому

      UBER has some issues for sure, but you can make some extra spending money on your own schedule. I wouldn't do it for a primary income. I do think they should stop 1099's and just employ their drivers, since they do set the prices. I also think they should take after Lyft and offer in-app tipping, because its just stupid not to.

    • @sarahann530
      @sarahann530 7 років тому +1

      Clif Millimen If you dont know your Revenue per mile then I would wager that you dont know your actual cost per mile either . That is a huge problem for YOU . I think you should work on that rather than try to argue with this video

  • @MrShahid06
    @MrShahid06 4 роки тому +10

    I totally agree with you. I did exactly same calculations 2/3 years ago in Australia and found that it's not worth to drive for ridesharing companies. Strangely, some idiot drivers bought expensive cars like Mercedes, BMW and wondering if they are riding for fun, then they are spoiling the earning of those people whose income totally depends on transportation services.

    • @mofeidmoshreky3930
      @mofeidmoshreky3930 Рік тому +2

      The solution is that drivers unite and creat their own app, the good news is 100s of driver donated to make it happen. The app in progress and will lunch med of August in NJ and then NY and nationwide. Driver will receive $1.25/ mile and $0.25/ minute plus a resnable fee for pickup! Drivers will recive 86% of the fare and the company will 15% to cover the platform expenses

    • @mofeidmoshreky3930
      @mofeidmoshreky3930 Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/T4HnV0J5uPM/v-deo.html

    • @MrShahid06
      @MrShahid06 Рік тому

      @@mofeidmoshreky3930 Smart move by NJ drivers. Good luck to the drivers in US

  • @sdarcher3964
    @sdarcher3964 5 років тому +3

    I did uber eats for a short time. Come tax time i got raped. The lady who prepares my taxes said dont ever work for uber or the likes. One of the worst financial mistakes you could make.

    • @rahimsvoice
      @rahimsvoice 5 років тому

      Sean Bove Itemized deductions should have made a difference. Expenses etc.

    • @bear3663
      @bear3663 5 років тому

      I'd be curious on how they calculated your mileage deductions. Did they use any, or go off of the miles that uber gives you at the end of the year? Or did you track all of your miles yourself that includes inbetween rides and on the way to passengers? I didn't have any taxes in Uber when I drove for Uber.

  • @KnickKnack07
    @KnickKnack07 7 років тому +105

    OK..so you can do some basic math...but you don't understand simple words like scam.

    • @MollyGermek
      @MollyGermek 7 років тому +32

      They profit from deceiving drivers with false data about their potential earnings. It's a textbook scam.

    • @KnickKnack07
      @KnickKnack07 7 років тому +2

      WhiskeyWhiskers They don't deceive anyone. Maybe some drivers are too stupid to understand and do the calculations But if this woman can do the math, so can anyone. IT is not fucking rocket science.

    • @drunkenwhaler9507
      @drunkenwhaler9507 7 років тому +17

      +knickknack07 What I'm getting here is "Uber doesn't lie. If this one woman on the Internet in a video is intelligent enough to do the math, anyone can." I think you forgot the part where most humans are complete morons (and some are naive and would trust Uber without checking). It's also rather easy to not take into account some variables, and working with percents are hard for some people.
      This video was, presumably, well thought out. Most people wouldn't think too hard about this. I mean, if these people had those math skills, they probably wouldn't be thinking about driving for Uber.

    • @KnickKnack07
      @KnickKnack07 7 років тому

      There is NO deception at all. They tell the drivers what they will make. Plain and simple.

    • @KnickKnack07
      @KnickKnack07 7 років тому +1

      Ummmm no. You are confusing EARNINGS and PROFIT. Earnings are what you earn. They ARE revenue. Why bring something up if you don't know what you are talking about? Jesus Christ...you think when companies like Google or Apple gives their earnings report, they are giving their after expense profits? And if so...why do they also include another column LABELED profit! And why is that value much lower?
      And again...you are going by the "report" used buy this OBVIOUSLY biased video. IT does not include tips.
      Dude..you are definitely NOT an engineer. They don't give engineering degrees to junior high school studnets. And even people who graduate onto to regular high school know that service jobs relay heavily on TIPS.

  • @CORRIGEEN71
    @CORRIGEEN71 7 років тому +76

    nobody pays tax on a cash income, any car will do, 2k will do for a car, do your own servicing, depreciation minimal , this analysis is purely academic no real world experience, a rant

    • @AndyTrampke
      @AndyTrampke 7 років тому +13

      CORRIGEEN71 You're still expected to file a 10-44... if you don't it's tax evasion

    • @bobbrawley9439
      @bobbrawley9439 7 років тому +3

      CORRIGEEN71 There has to be a paper trail somewhere . Certainly Uber produces a paper trail shown. in the video of bills that show the driver what he owes or what he earned

    • @csuao
      @csuao 7 років тому +12

      CORRIGEEN71 Uber has specific qualifications for cars. So it's not just any car will do.

    • @omarsabih
      @omarsabih 7 років тому +6

      Real world experience haha. Moron.

    • @sandrobiehl2601
      @sandrobiehl2601 7 років тому +13

      it's not cash income it's direct deposit, they do send you a tax form of your earnings. NO not any car will do, in my area 2007 or newer and in good condition no dents or paint peeling. Not many have the means for their own servicing. Depreciating is rarely minimal unless we go out of our way to by the cheapest car we can just for uber driving but hardly no one is going to jump through that hoop. You cannot say this is purely academic, her explained scenario is real world for a majority of drivers.

  • @DJohnson-co4mw
    @DJohnson-co4mw 5 років тому +2

    I've never used it but I literally thought that the only thing Uber drivers were doing was picking up people that happen to be going the same way they were.

  • @MrMaxine1959
    @MrMaxine1959 5 років тому +1

    I have been driving for Lyft. My husband has been telling me you aren’t making any money. But I like to drive because it’s easier than standing on my feet. After watching this, I can see his point. Thanks

  • @jimfath
    @jimfath 8 років тому +28

    I was a Lyft, UBer, and Side Car(RIP) driver in LA for almost two years. I joined them just after Lyft launched in the market and the rates were more than double what they are now. Like Task Rabbit, iCracked, and countless other app based gig economy jobs, the newer a company is to a market, the more lucrative the compensation for the work force. But after a while, rates will fall and you will start to figure out that you're totally getting screwed.
    I agree with the video's assertion that Uber and Lyft are paying well under minimum wage. The depreciation factor can be misleading. If you buy a brand new car to ride share drive (WHICH YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER DO) then the depreciation numbers you reported are fairly accurate. The best thing to do is drive a decent used car. Mine was 6 years old but I cleaned it up. I also did a lot of my own maintenance. Changed oil, brakes, etc. That saved me some money. That cut down the depreciation a little bit. Still though, the rates fell and fell and quickbooks was showing me not turning a profit some nights. The over/under on ride share driving, at least as it is now in the LA area, is a fools errand.
    LA has a lot of desperate actors and if you take a Lyft or an Uber there, chances are you'll be helping some creative person make their rent. I used to have a tip jar in my car. Specifically for Uber since Lyft allowed tips (Though they used to confuse the riders into skipping it).

    • @ScIQ
      @ScIQ  8 років тому +3

      +Jim Fath The friend that helped us make this video was in a similar situation to what you described. He drove when the rate was worthwhile, but when it dropped so low, had to give up. But he was one of the smart ones! So many people don't take the shortcuts you describe, don't account for their income, and then get themselves into trouble. Thanks for the comment! - Jayde

    • @andyshay1385
      @andyshay1385 8 років тому

      +ScIQ
      Why did you deduct the sales tax from the drivers pay? Isn't the tax charged to the consumer. The driver must hold the funds until tax time but it's not deducted from the business's income.

    • @jmcferran1
      @jmcferran1 7 років тому +1

      I heard that when this Uber Lyft started to get drivers they gave generous compensation. However a price war took over between the two, and it's the drivers who get cut not the services. Also you will never get a surge price at the Airport. An agreement between the services and the Airports says no surge prices.

    • @chrisb.9466
      @chrisb.9466 7 років тому +2

      Thats true but only because those guys are fucking greedy when they dont need to be. and they accepted money from the wrong type of investors that turned around and demanded to much cuts in order to satisfy their stupid ass margins. getting stupid greedy ass investors is what really fucks up the business. these type of apps should make good money and it should grow organically instead of rushed. The technology and idea is good, the execution is greedy and fucking evil. i dont even use uber, the CEO is fucking dick so are some of the investors. greedy fucking dickheads. With what they are doing they are fucking up the quality of the service by treating the drivers like shit. the drivers ARE their business and you treat them like shit is the dumbest fucking thing to do. they are so worried about making 1000000000% profit. Money fucking dilutes stop worrying about the quick fucking buck. they should build quality, because quality is wealth. Apple computers is not perfect but if you look at it loosely, they did focus on offering a high standard in quality right out the box, it took a while but people started to give them loyalty and now they are starting to shit on other PC manufacturers. they worried about quality first because its a domino effect with the human mind. if you give the people quality they will give you loyalty, it will take a while about when they do, you will then start to see reoccurring customers year in and year out. sorry for the long essay. but im so freaking pissed off i just bursted out in a rant.

    • @mranonymous2082
      @mranonymous2082 2 роки тому

      @@andyshay1385 yeah she is actually calculating everything in a way to get as close to zero as possible so she can justify this video. Drivers also make tips on almost every call and sometimes the tips are relatively good. Why were tips not included in this estimation as well?

  • @MatataMcCleskey
    @MatataMcCleskey 8 років тому +11

    I'm a taxi driver. We charge 4 dollars a mile which is kind of high for the country, but New York taxis often sit in traffic for extended periods of time. We drive in a town that has a 40 MPH speed limit. We get people where they're going on average between $7.00-$20.00. We also pass drug tests, extended background checks. No felonies or DUI's, and our cars are checked by the local police department. Our vehicles are marked with identification numbers, we pay taxes and have a bunch of local business owners instead of one giant cooperation. If you don't want to support huge corporations similar to Walmart, then support your local taxi company. Not Yellow cab, they have a Nationwide presence and they are real assholes. They are the reason taxi drivers get a bad name because Yellow cab knows they have a lockdown and people need them (they think) Support your local taxi company, you will find they are usually nicer people and appreciate their customers. I know my company does. I know an Uber driver in Nevada who smokes crystal meth. I understand that people are trying to work. Luckily our company takes care of the locals, give discounts to people going to and from work every day. Uber is screwing over a lot of local business owners by bypassing laws. The drivers are supposed to have a commercial licence that costs over $10,000. As taxi drivers we aren't allowed to pick up and drop off in a state we haven't applied for. Uber bypasses a ton of regulation that is there for the safety of the public. I'm not a fan , and Uber drivers don;t last more than a year. Their turn-over rate for new drivers is absurd. Unfortunately there is a sucker born every minute and there are plenty of people to take advantage of.

    • @lilmoonbaby6
      @lilmoonbaby6 6 років тому

      TazeMeBro McCleskey UBER does background checks also

    • @louramirez8185
      @louramirez8185 6 років тому +1

      lilmoonbaby6 I watched an undercover documentary where a DUI and convicted burglar got an Uber job in minutes.

  • @AneeshBhandari
    @AneeshBhandari 5 років тому +2

    Interesting Experience: On my way out of Bangalore, I used a shared Uber to the International Airport. The driver was very smart. He requested me if I will pay him the amount on the App in cash if he cancels the ride. It sounded a bit unsafe but I gave in to the driver's request because I knew Uber was robbing them and I somewhere respected his smart thinking. 2 more riders joined along the way. All three of us paid him hard cash. I don't think that a driver in North America can pull this trick but ideally there should be platform like Uber for riders and drivers where there is no middle man like Uber.

  • @RubinGnoni
    @RubinGnoni 4 роки тому +4

    I watched your video because I drove for Uber full time the whole year of 2019 from January to December and I computed all the money in and out and I endup with almost US$6,000.00 in my pocket for the whole year, meaning that you're right. I made less than US$500.00 a month which is way below the minimum wage, plus I'll have to pay US$650 tax. And there's more. I've been asking passengers how much they pay for their rides and compared to what Uber pays me for those rides I found out that Uber is taking more than 40% from the fare. I purchased a 2019 brand new Toyota Camry to drive for Uber and I'm afraid that was a big mistake. Unfortunately.

  • @maxthrust976
    @maxthrust976 6 років тому +18

    So they rake their drivers over the coals for a few years, stash a few billion to spend on some self-driving Volvos, and then fire all those poor saps that carried them to the top. Brilliant.

    • @sherlockwho5714
      @sherlockwho5714 5 років тому

      Max Thrust that is the plan

    • @jl.d1396
      @jl.d1396 5 років тому

      Max Thrust I love your mind it reflect good stuff. after 2 years of stupidity I'm tired without realise why until I start reading you guys. billions.

  • @wcjcnc
    @wcjcnc 7 років тому +84

    I know a few people that drove for Uber for a while but stopped because there's just not enough money in it. Don't take my word for it, try it for yourself.

  • @Slarti
    @Slarti 5 років тому +16

    The building I work in has an Uber recruitment office.
    Everyone sitting in the Uber re eption area looks dirt poor and desperate.

  • @sunrise4569
    @sunrise4569 4 роки тому +4

    I work for them, almost devastated my life, it will bankrupt you big time.

  • @tompain2751
    @tompain2751 5 років тому +38

    Uber drivers basically are not really getting paid!The money they get is coming from their car.

    • @joelmorin99
      @joelmorin99 5 років тому +3

      Exactly! They should be paying drivers a monthly fee for the use of their vehicle & it shouldnt be cheap for Uber either. The fact that people dont consider this is mind boggling. Not only are you renting out your car to Uber but you are also giving them your time, providing them with a service, submitting yourself to their rules/enforcement & you are at the mercy of their clients. All things considered you are giving Uber a lot for very little in return.

    • @tompain2751
      @tompain2751 5 років тому +3

      @@joelmorin99 If you delivered pizza,at least your an employee.

    • @Jungle1048
      @Jungle1048 3 роки тому

      Y’all know it’s tax deductible. You prob won’t pay taxes in April

    • @Jungle1048
      @Jungle1048 3 роки тому

      Also you can add your expenses as write offs

  • @antonpopov2480
    @antonpopov2480 7 років тому +22

    You forget that in America we can write off our vehicle as a tax write off. Most people can pay below 5% if not 0% tax while driving with uber because you can expense all the maintenance, gas, and even buying a new car

    • @GeeTrieste
      @GeeTrieste 7 років тому +6

      This is one of the best counterpoints I have seen in this message/comment thread.
      That HAS to be factored in. If all your expenses are tax deductible, then that is a huge offset to the taxes charged for the income.

    • @caligulajodorowsky
      @caligulajodorowsky 6 років тому

      Yep, the cost of the car is deductible as tax. Still considering that you just end up making around 13 cents/hour (because the car expenses greatly overwhelm tax).

  • @stevencarroll2341
    @stevencarroll2341 5 років тому +6

    Two reasons you can justify driving for Uber:You are doing absolutely nothing else anyway and you drive a Prius

  • @EngMadison
    @EngMadison 5 років тому +2

    My wife gave signed up and drove for Uber (oops, I mean drove with the Uber app turned on and coincidentally picking up strangers to take them from point A to point B all at her own expense and risk while the app siphoned money away from the transaction) for one day.
    The next day her phone was buzzing with Uber messages about going downtown and working. She had a real job so didn't. After a few days of that Uber kicked her out of the system. Yeah, you're totally not working for Uber...