Lucy Gray is ultimately a hundred times better than all the women in Wattpad-esque romance stories with a toxic guy who needs a woman’s love to fix him, because the MOMENT she senses a red flag, she books it and he never sees her again.
@@uncarleyshe is so real for the fact that she dipped the second that he told her abt his dark and twisted mind 🤪 like no sir my self preservation skills are on now thank you
and its so telling that fans really thought they were supposed to like young Snow because he was pretty. Suzanne literally made him pretty to make him a disgusting villain to make fun of the pretty villain is always loved trope and show them they're wrong... and then none of the people who watched the movie got it
Interesting analysis. I agree with your assessment with respect to Lucy Gray, as well as the fact that Katniss was forced to perform, however, I disagree with Katniss being a fighter. I didn’t get the fighter vibe from either the books or films. She had mad hunting skills for survival, to correlate that with being a fighter - does not do her character justice. For me she was a passionate survivor driven by compassion who had strong moral convictions. This was evidenced by her volunteering as tribute, burying the the district 11 paying tribute to her by signalling to the camera, as well as all her outbursts of being enraged when faced with injustice. This to me is not the “typical” person I would consider a fighter.
@@kardiojunkee interesting, but i disagree right back. I think when youre faced with certain death and you fight back, thats just human instinct, but Katniss was CONSTANTLY ready to fight and die for her people and thats what makes her a fighter. Fighting doesnt always mean physically, its also incredibly psychological which Katniss does brilliantly. She was fighting for Prim when she volunteered, she was ready to be whipped like JC when she was protecting Gale, and fucked with everyones head when she hung that manakin of Seneca Crane as her special skill among so much more. When they ask her to perform shes pretty useless, but when shes making waves of her own accord? Shes fighting. That bitch is a fighter
@@aribailey8405 Loved your reasonings- they make sense. But will agree to disagree- her motivations and actions were spontaneous rather then deliberate and strategically planned. She was driven by emotion and the desire for justice. A fighter, in my opinion is strategic, calm minded and rational- plans attacks and does not expose themselves to harm unnecessarily. Katniss volunteering as tribute was spontaneous, to protect her little sister, not as a fighter but out of sisterly love. Willing to die with Peta, again spontaneous response when he refused to be the victor. They would die together. Although we see this through a different lens, I can understand your reasoning, and we both can agree that she was a bad ass!
"The worst thing a woman can be is annoying, and the worst thing a man can be is a- A KILLER" is a WILD thing to say, and I stand behind you on that one.
So fun fact about Lucy Gray’s ambiguous ending: the Covey have a naming tradition where their first first name is from a ballad and their second first name is a color. But Lucy Gray is actually named after a real ballad from our world called The Ballad of Lucy Gray. And in it, Lucy Gray is out in the woods and GETS LOST IN THE SNOW, and the ending of the ballad talks about how maybe she died, or maybe she’s still alive living in the woods. There’s also something about her footprints IN THE SNOW disappearing halfway across a bridge, I think.
There's actually a great essay written by Derek Thompson called, In Defense of Spoilers, where he argues that if the emotional impact of a story can lessened/ruined by already knowing details of the basic plot, is it even that good of a piece of work to begin with? The joy of a piece of work should be able to hold up beyond that if it's anything more than just a narrative gimmick or a party trick.
lucy gray is stronger than me because if a blonde, buzzcut tom blyth ran out of a lake house screaming my name, i would have run right back and talked it out
Okay does anyone else think that’s what the line “where a dead man called out for his love to flee” is referring to? The man himself was dead, but his last words telling his girl to run continued to play through the jabber jays
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped I had assumed everyone knew that’s what the line meant, but after seeing all the thirst for Snow after the movie came out, I don’t have that much faith in people anymore 😆
@TheOtherBoobJustDropped before the prequel book came out I assumed it meant dead man because he was moments away from being hanged he's already dead in a way no way to get out of that one
They had freaking Jamie Campbell Bower as teen Grindelwald and yet don't bother to use him and Toby (teen Dumbledore) besides 2 scenes that last less than 10 seconds 😢 Even if the Fantastic Beasts didn't implode, they might be shafted
Something that annoyed me about the movie is they did Clemensia so dirtyyyy, in the book she doesn't take FULL credit or is as obnoxious as in the film, she just says yeah we worked on it together because she's scared of Gaul and doesn't want to get into trouble, she and snow agreed together the night before that they weren't gonna do the project and then Snow snakes her ( ;) ) and does it anyway without telling her until after submitting it. Gaul doesn't tell her about the snakes and the scent until after she gets bit so she's essentially tricked into putting her hand in, she watches both snow and Gaul do it first without harm and had no way of knowing what would happen to her. She then is in agony and literally starts growing scales on her body and her eyes go white and is in the hospital for ages on her own because her family are told she has to be quarantined, she begs Snow to visit her and help her several times as he is the only person allowed to which he doesn't bc hes a prick, before returning to the games as a mentor with a completely new, evil personality, its said that she's grown spiteful, sly snakelike characteristics whereas before she was actually quite a decent person (by capitol standards). its shocking and shows just how evil Gaul and the capitol is as up to this point we are made to believe, and indeed the capitol still believes, that they will not be harmed, its only the districts that are at risk of this evil treatment, but the way clemensia is treated and how its hidden from everyone (only gaul and snow know this has happened) shows how nobody is safe from Capitol cruelty.
to be fair, a lot of the other people in snow's class were actually decent people, like sejanus, clemensia, lysitrata and I think a few others seemed decent from what was told about them. even amongst his peers snow was always a shit person
Iirc, not only did they agree not to do it - that was the night Arachne died. Of *course* Clemensia would not get any work done after that. (Also, the way Snow mimics his dad and Highbottom’s hunger games assignment this way makes me go feral)
Ik this is an older comment but this bothered me sooo much. It’s weird bc it makes snow look so much better & more “moral” by comparison, which is the exact opposite of what the movie should’ve been doing. just such a pointless change to make
y'all are talking about Lucy Gray as an icon for seeing one red flag and then immediately bolting, but let's be real: girl needs to really evaluate her choice in men. First guy cheats and gets her sent to the hunger games. Second dude views her as his property and tries to kill her in the woods. I need her to not date for a while, really focus on herself for a bit
not to mention lucy gray did not even run at the first red flag!! what about the red flag of KILLING her exs gf like ik she sent her to the hunger games buttttt he shot mayfair so fast. or beating up billy taupe in front of her. girly is a queen but she def doesn’t exactly pick em 🫣
@@caitlynkroeger1705tbf, killing Mayfair could be interpreted as a survival decision because they could have all been killed if Mayfair had ratted on them like she was threatening to. I don’t blame Lucy Gray for giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one. Beating up Billy Taupe was more of a red flag imo. Not because it was worse, obviously, but because there was less of an understandable reason for it.
Viola as Dr. Gaul was so much fun. She was the best part of the movie. I hope she does more movies/shows like this where she can just be off the rails insane.
She knows when to be campy and eccentric and when to be menacing and domineering. There were some moments in the movie where I almost felt scared for the characters whenever they interacted with her character or her character’s creations. She definitely had a strong presence in the film and I absolutely adored her character (plus her character design was **chef’s kiss** I love the colors)
45:19 one correction here but the Jabberjays (all male) that the Capitol created during the war were expected to die out in a few years after being released but they actually mated with common mockingbirds to create Mockingjays, who couldn't be controlled like the jabberjays but they could repeat a melody in the exact same way. that's why Snow hated them, the Jabberjays were created for the Capitol and by the Capitol but the Mockingjays were a symbol that they couldn't control everything and that the things they used and cast out (the jabberjays, the victors, district 13) wouldn't just conveniently die. it's the mockingjays that are all around district 12, including at the Hanging Tree where they eerily echo the dead person's last cry. that's also why when he loses it, he starts shooting at the mockingjays.
Thing you haven't mentioned (or maybe forgot) is that Coral's last words were "it's not fair, I couldn't have killed them for nothing right ?". Which is just heartbreaking cuz I just thought she was a crazy biatch, but it turns out she hated every second of it, but had to do it cuz she didn't have another choice and she feels horrible about it.
Woah fascinating, I interpreted it very much the other way around! Unlike the Career tribute from the first Hunger Games, who seemed to be absolutely broken by the arena in the end and basically begged for the end, Coral's last words pretty much cemented her in her shown character for me. To me it sounded less like regret and more like sunk-cost-fallacy - like "come on, ain't no way I out in all that work and now don't get the prize, not fair!". But I do see how it can just as well be looked at the other way around!
i will say i did kinda have to almost laugh at lucy vs everyone else’s outfit at the reaping like it felt that “guess the main character in an anime based on their haircut” meme. like was she absolutely snatched in the middle of the dust bowl. like they renamed it hunger games cause she ate every last crumb and left everyone else starving in the navy/beige ring of hell
for me, spoilers don't matter if I don't plan to indulge in the media, and the take that a man's attractiveness PLUMMETS once he shows fascist tendencies...so true girlie, and you should say it proudly!
He was an asshole in the books, not just because of the fascism but he showed some really creepy tendencies and red flags, like thinking he had ownership over lucy. I actually don’t understand how people look at him and think “I want that man”. HE SOLD THE VICTORS AND KILLED KIDS, I love a good villain, but it’s so hard to defend him or even find him attractive when he does actually horrifying things.
@@All-ze9cl well, we are seeing him from an outside perspective, opposed to the books where we read his internal, twisted thoughts. It is interesting that our perception of him in the movie is the same as people in the capitol had, because his attractiveness and charm is what made him get away with things in the capitol by lying and what eventually made him become President Snow. Just some thoughts I have on our “attraction” to such an evil character.
@@luciajimenezaunion5067 I agree! It’s just human nature to defend someone you find attractive. I’m guilty of it, I think we all are, but I think it’s just so hard to find snow hot when we’ve seen him from the lens of a victim, Katniss. And of course his own thoughts which are crazy
just wanna say, in my interpretation of the scene where Lucy Gray runs away from Snow, it isn’t just that she’s realised he killed Sejanus, it’s because she realises he might also kill her to ensure her silence. I saw the movie a few days ago in the cinema so I could be remembering wrong, but when they find the guns I think Lucy Gray says something about how those are the only things linking him to the crime-those and her. She leaves to pick some katniss-even though “Katniss” isn’t in season yet-because she’s realised that Snow clearly doesn’t trust her and is paranoid enough to kill her, maybe because she’s also realised that he ratted on Sejanus and killed him. And she’s right, when he finds the scarf he yells out “Lucy Gray, are you trying to kill me?” because that’s what he was just considering. In the book, the doctor notes that the snake that bit him isn’t even poisonous. Maybe Lucy Gray didn’t even leave that snake there. But he instantly assumed she tried to kill him bc he was thinking about killing her. Paranoia is such a staple of dictators and it’s interesting to see how Snow, even as a child, always had that kind of paranoia.
I think thats, like, the thing you're supposed to notice most - that she realises she's in danger - they can't directly say it but they all but directly say it
@@sophiehobley828 i agree! however, carly didn’t mention it-she just said lucy gray left because she realised snow killed sejanus. someone who hasn’t seen the movie and only this video might not pick up on what i mentioned
if i had to summarize my reading of The Ballad it would be “get a job. get away from her.” like he is a yassified draco malfoy, a motherfucking city gworl. idk how anyone who reads the book can thirst for young snow lucy gray on the other hand, talented, amazing, show-stopping, never been done before
This is besides the point but isn’t it insane that Rachel Zegler is still getting more hate for speaking her mind than Russel Brand is for assaulting/ r wording multiple teenage girls 🤔. Haven’t seen the film yet but she is such a talent and the hate she is getting is BONKERS.
She literally said one annoying thing and people won’t let her forget it, tons of other celebrities (especially men) get away with saying much worse things and don’t get hate. They need to leave her alone, she’s a great actor and seems like a sweet person
To anyone who liked the movie, I highly recommend also reading the book. They did good cutting it down but there’s a lot of stuff that was cut out that is really interesting
Just reading about Brandy, the female tribute from District 10, being hung by a crane during Arachne’s funeral procession was jarring. I kind of wish they’d included imagery like that in the movie, because it really drives home how f*cked up the Capitol already was, that people from the districts were seen as less than human. And I wish they’d mentioned that a veterinarian was caring for them, they didn’t even bring in a doctor to treat the wounded after the bombing.
i understand her use of roman names with the west's reverence of the roman empire but her naming conventions always end up creating something so funny bc in the trilogy we get the Peenis ship and in this one we get the anus bois
I do agree that Katniss is, like, the unproblematic version of Not Like Other Girls. She truly is not like other girls and does not try to do anything with that in regards to boys because tbh, boys are in the way of caring for her sister and surviving and she does not have time. But I love that Suzanne Collins clearly didn’t set out to make a Not Like Other Girls and proves it with Lucy
but like...how do we know she's not like other girls? the other female contestants seemed pretty crafty. she might just be more introverted and obviously she's the main character, so the spotlight will be on her. what's this obsession with subcategorising women?
i feel like the reason why the capital becomes so campy in the main story compared to songbirds & snakes is because of lucy. snow gained power and everything he does is influenced by lucy now, which in turn influences the people he has the most power over. he learned how to perform because of her.
omg i too was struck with The Influenza. slipping in and out of consciousness with the Ballads audiobook on in the background I’d wake up hearing the names “Sejanus Plinth” and “Casca Highbottom” and briefly wonder if I’d lost the ability to speak english
there's something inherently misogynystic about this that I can't put my finger on. especially when not every woman can or will give birth. this kind of rhetoric is used as an excuse by male screenwriters to reduce female characters down to their reproductive functions...without actually having to humanise us. that minute-long walk of a bleeding rhaenerya in house of dragons was eye-roll inducing, especially when followed by her yawn-worthy characterisation/arc. "hey, look I know we didn't give this female character a very interesting story or an actual personality, but look how hard childbirth is! that's what makes women cool, not our humanity, pregnancy trauma porn!!! feminism!"
One of my favorite lines was during Lucy Gray’s reaping when Arachne says “what is that dress? Is she some sort of clown?” If she only knew what the capitol would become lol
Not only is the 'Are you coming to the tree' song basically Lucy calling Snow to the grave, that line 'Its the things we love the most that destroy us'. Lucy loved Snow and Snow betrayed her. Snow loved Lucy and her ghost will destroy him. I always thought The Hunger Games films were a bit dull but now when you watch them you see that Snow sees Lucy every time he sees Katniss. 'I was busy looking at you and you looking at me, then coin usurps both of us' Someone must have known about Lucy Gray to weaponise that against him. Katniss is the Mockingjay, repeating Lucy's song. Maybe Finnick when he says Snow killed his allies.
God, seeing Snow’s internal monologue (compared to the movie) is so wild. My absolute favourite moment is when Sejanus’ mother says something like “you’re his only friend” to Snow, and his immediate internal response is “that’s sad, imagine having no friends at all”, boy is fucking brutal. Also, Lucy Grey immediately disappearing into the woods forever at the first hint of red flag is iconic
I was a huge fan of THG when I was 16-18 (though I did not like the last two movies), so I went to this movie just because I *always* did go to a THG premiere. I was not prepared for such awesomeness. I went for the second time 2 days later and I am still blown away by acting, camera operation, THE MUSIC, everything. This movie was also a catalyst that pushed me into pursuing a music career, which I have been thinking about for the last 10 years but was never bold enough to try and do something.
Wovey is so cute and sweet. I appreciated the casting of an actress with Down syndrome and like many others, I thought it showed that no one is spared from cruelty in this society, not even someone with a disability. Also it was encouraging to see a diverse cast.
32:32 no genuinely this man deserves an award, he had a total of like 2 important scenes, hardly said anything, and yet i was crying for his character in both scenes, absolutely amazing i have not stopped thinking about him specifically
It really pisses me off when people say that this movie was just another cash grab prequel or remake ( heard a someone review the film on the radio saying this ) I’ve been waiting for this movie since the book came out! Also I think the story is so important to tell. Like with how the hunger games were created, why they kept going and why is everyone ok with it. Because no one liked it when it started and it would have stopped at the 10th games if it weren’t for Snow. I feel like it makes the whole story seem so much more realistic! Also how Lucky Flickerman thinks the games will be over in a day shows how previous games were so fast but the later games are over in a week or more.
There’s this really great theory I’ve seen that suggests Katniss is descended from Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory (I think she’s the one who brings Lucy Gray the katniss when they’re at the lake). Maude Ivory is like, 9 years old, and she’s able to memorize any song after hearing it just once (which is also something Katniss mentions being able to do in Mockingjay). This is important because The Hanging Tree is only performed one time, and only for a few people, one of whom is Maude Ivory. Then the song is outlawed for being too rebellious. So the most likely way for Katniss to know it is that her dad is the son or possibly grandson of Maude Ivory. Also the cabin by the lake is a place Katniss’s dad took her to a lot as a kid, and Katniss’s family home is located in the same place as the Covey home (in the Seam on the edge of a meadow).
@@user-bk9bs3oc8c yeah, when it comes to fiction I don’t care if it’s “realistic” or whatever for characters to have connections like this, it’s fun for me. Especially when it’s hinted at with breadcrumbs like this where the audience can piece it together.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who DOESN'T hate Rachel Zegler! I actually thought I was losing my mind when I found out everyone hates her because she *checks notes* doesn't like snow white???
@@user-op6kt8pg9ybarely half of it has much to do about the prince. The most memorable part of Snow White are her songs, the dwarves, the queen and her apple. The existence of the prince is the least meaningful part.
@@user-op6kt8pg9y It isn’t a love story though, the true morale of the story is kindness over vanity, which mainly exists between the relationships between Snow White, the Queen, and the dwarves. The Prince is a plot device used to make her wake up via the “true love” kiss rule
A-tier editing at the beginning going from “the microphone stays because otherwise it sounds like I’m recording in a conch shell” to “Commercials (Live From The Conch Shell)”
It's actually so scary that the hunger games wouldn't exist if Snow kept his big mouth shut and stopped giving them clever little ideas for viewership, it was so close to be shut down for lack of popularity, and of course he had to go ruin that.
The fact that Rachel and Josh are dating is also really iconic. Like in an alternate world I could totally have seen their characters getting together. Also, have you guys heard that fan theory that Snow would never have been able to let a loose end go and that he definitely dumped Lucy in the lake with the guns and he just has PTSD so that's why we can't see it? Like, he can't remember it happened exactly. Which makes some sense to me because of how frikin chaotic and almost disjointed everything in the woods was. Like it would be real nice if she escaped, but....he's a pretty obsessive person. I seriously doubt he would just turn around and go home. Like. oh well! We gave it our best shot. Guess I can live without knowing where the one person who could get me hung is for the rest of my life.
I like your theory, but I prefer to believe that she lived and snuck back into 12. I also like to think that Lucy Gray is Katniss’ grandmother, and my only evidence for this is that Katniss AND her dad knew of the Hanging Tree song which idk how many people really knew this song. This would add so much irony to Katniss taking down Snow.
@@nicholashoover8447 Counter theory: Katniss is a descendant of one of the other covey. Maybe that blonde girl Lucy was hanging with is Katniss's mom's mom. Lucy probably showed her close friends that song at the very least before she left. I'm sure most of the covey knew it and spread it subtly after Lucy went missing as a sort of act of rebellion after they probably thought the mayor killed her
@@nicholashoover8447I think the theory that Lucy is Katniss' grandmother kind of cheapens the original story, like suddenly it becomes a "chosen one" plot.
Coriolanus is a Shakespeare play about a rich Roman general who is so disgusted with democracy coming to Rome and having to be nice to poor people that he leaves and joins up with his enemy to invade Rome. He's convinced otherwise and then gets killed by that same enemy. So the name fits. (Also loved this movie. When it was over I thought "THIS is how a villain prequel should be made. I only wish the damn Star Wars prequels had been like this).
“Billy taupe and this other man called spruce” *Put a spruce tree image to represent him* I know is not that deep but I laughed so hard of that because was very unpredictable
Lucky Flickerman was THE BEST part. I also love the little “yes and a high chair” when he made the dinner reservation, letting us know Caesar is canonically alive. Also love that The Hunger Games has only ever had 2 hosts.
The ending was the same as the ending of the poem Lucy Gray by William Wordsworth. The last three stanzas of the poem goes; They followed from the snowy bank Those footmarks, one by one, Into the middle of the plank; And further there were none! --Yet some maintain that to this day She is a living child; That you may see sweet Lucy Gray Upon the lonesome wild. O'er rough and smooth she trips along, And never looks behind; And sings a solitary song That whistles in the wind. Suzanne Collins is a genius and this gives me chills✨
I like how you said without the mic the audio sounds like the inside of a conch shell, and then IMMEDIATELY cut to a sponsor segment from the inside of a conch shell
I've been listening to the hanging tree multiple times a day ever since I saw the film!! That song will never not bring a smile onto my face, its just so beautiful and Rachel did an amazing job with the vocals, her voice is perfect for Lucy Gray!
The author is actually so smart for this, because (vibes and fangirling aside) this is actually very accurate with today's situation and war's impact within our society. Can't help but think that we're all Capitol in a way because we learn about all the attacks via media but we're not being impacted directly. We should really reflect in our daily privilege and be more mindful with what's currently going on.
The whole point of his story is it was always in him. He was raised in the Capitol where their POV is the districts are below them, there to serve them. It's a character study of a true villain origin story. He is never a good person, he just evolves into what he becomes in the Hunger Games we see when Katniss comes along. It's a study of a narcissist and a look at a narcisstic relationship. I truly envision Snow constantly looking for Lucy Gray with his surveillance technologies after the events in TBOSBAS. Like maybe he does find her and locks her in a cage for himself because that is how and what he is thinking in the books. Then she hates him for the rest of her life. Or maybe she makes it to District 13 and is one of our original trilogy's characters' ancestors.
Snow also attends university back at the capital because he won a Plinth prize of sorts after all because Sejanus' parents are thankful he was such a good friend to their son (oof) that they pay for all his college needs and then some putting the Snows back to their former wealth. Not sure what his major was but I'm guessing Poly-Sci while learning more about the games working with Dr. Gaul. Surely a recipe for success.
There is a poem by William Wordsworth called ‘Lucy Gray’ and it was published in ‘Lyrical Ballads’. There is a line in there that is particularly prevalent: “…Not blither is the mountain roe: With many a wanton stroke her feet disperse the powdery snow, that rises up like smoke…”
this movie taught me that lucy gray is actually better than everyone else bc the SECOND I got home from watching it, I saw that my friends had sent at least a fatal amount of young snow edits to me. guys he is truly just some dude, tigris is !!RIGHT THERE!!
Just a fun little fact: District 12 is in Appalachia, so the accent is more of a mountain accent than Southern. Very similar, but with little regional differences in it
53:20 when snow starts to look for lucy, he also finds the scarf he gave her that used to belong to his mother (which she promised to keep safe) and when he picks it up a snake bits him- a cool theory i like is that he didnt actually see her when he shot at her, since she was in different clothes (specifically the clothes she wore in the arena) and he was potentially a bit delirious if the snake was poisonous
I noticed it’s the mayors who draw the name so I think later that’s why they send someone from the capitol (Effie) to do the drawing to prevent rigging it like his daughter did
I was OBSESSED with the Hunger Games series when I was in middle school! I basically made my love for the books and movies my entire personality (as I do with all of my obsessions), and this resurgence of popularity for the series is bringing back all of those memories
WE ARE SO BACK IN THE HUNGER GAMES ERA! I went in blind to the movie without reading the prequel and figured this will be just another slow paced prequel, WAS NOT PREPARED for this masterpiece! Went home and got started on the Original Trilogy and THAT’S how you do a prequel, so good that it makes one want to read or watch the Original.
My only complaint is that there needed to be more Peter Dinklage, I don’t particularly care for him as a person but he’s a great fucking actor, and his character is pretty interesting
Writing a hero who is good and fighting evil on his/her journey is the easiest concept in the world. But making an evil narcistic dictator interesting IS a god tier writing (novel or script). Some people may find funny the example I’m abt to give but I was amazed when they made Thanos so relatable and letting him win at the end of Infinity War. Because it was so risky but new and smart idea at the same time!! Anyways I was so hyped abt the idea when I read book but kinda confused abt if the movie works with this theme. Bcz like I said its pretty hard thing to do. But with a believable character (evil or not), good directing and wanderful acting they prove that they can manage that so well. As a hardcore hunger games fan this movie is a magnum opus. If I put this aside it was 7.5 out of 10 very enjoyable movie.
THEY DIDNT PUT HANGING BRANDY DURING ARACHNIS FUNERAL INTO THE MOVIE?????? THATS ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF HOW THEY SEE PEOPLE FROM THE DISTRICT ITS LIKE ONE OF THE MOST INSANE THINGS I HEARD I WAS JAW DROPPED LISTENING TO THAT IN THE CAR I WAS LIKE OH YM GFUCKIN GODF
Honestly hilarious that in the middle of describing the absolute atrocity of the televised child death match orchestrated by the government, Carley pauses to express the utmost shock that this same government would show a single dead body on the news. Iconic tbh.
if you were one of the 36 people who saw this when i accidentally uploaded it... no you did not
My lips are sealed but just so you know I am here the SECOND you post
I pressed the notification and was sad when it wasn’t available 😭
Haha it was me
we’re always watching, girlie👀
i clicked on it so fast and it was already gone
Lucy Gray is ultimately a hundred times better than all the women in Wattpad-esque romance stories with a toxic guy who needs a woman’s love to fix him, because the MOMENT she senses a red flag, she books it and he never sees her again.
she is the answer to the question: what if a YA protagonist had a single brain cell? and i love her deeply
Lol have to admit this is kinda a good point
@@uncarleywait, are you saying Lucy Gray has a single braincell? 😭
I did not like this character
@@uncarleyshe is so real for the fact that she dipped the second that he told her abt his dark and twisted mind 🤪 like no sir my self preservation skills are on now thank you
Lucy grey caught him in one lie and never went back. We should learn from her
I mean…that was a really BIG lie though.
she has all the common sense we need to have
I believe you're referring to the I killed 3 people to come here scene. By 3rd person, he meant Sejanus right??
@@sarah-ty2xkyeah but he tried to cover it up by saying it was his old self. Lucy Gray didn't believe him tho lol
Facts
suzanne collins birthed a whole genre and is reviving it now to prove that it was not a fluke.
YES
and its so telling that fans really thought they were supposed to like young Snow because he was pretty. Suzanne literally made him pretty to make him a disgusting villain to make fun of the pretty villain is always loved trope and show them they're wrong... and then none of the people who watched the movie got it
Mhmmmm
i love her so much this woman was writing episodes of wow wow wubzy while she was writing the first hunger games book 😂
@@noellefritz5678yeah i don’t even find the actor that attractive like he’s cute but people were feral for him in a way i will not understand 😂
In the theatre, when Lucy Gray started singing during the reaping, an icon yelled, “Okay, glee club!” Mentally, I’m there.
That’s so fucking funny I’m going to be thinking about this all day
they’re so fucking funny for that 😭
so mad i didnt think of this
I read she sang on set, rather than lip syncing to a pre recorded track!
@karinalumen9722 so just glee but with less singing? because the rest of glee is just war crimes
Lucy Gray was a performer forced to fight, Katniss was a fighter forced to perform
ABSOLUTELY
Peeta was the performer who performed and Haymitch was the fighter who fought !!!
Interesting analysis.
I agree with your assessment with respect to Lucy Gray, as well as the fact that Katniss was forced to perform, however, I disagree with Katniss being a fighter.
I didn’t get the fighter vibe from either the books or films. She had mad hunting skills for survival, to correlate that with being a fighter - does not do her character justice.
For me she was a passionate survivor driven by compassion who had strong moral convictions. This was evidenced by her volunteering as tribute, burying the the district 11 paying tribute to her by signalling to the camera, as well as all her outbursts of being enraged when faced with injustice. This to me is not the “typical” person I would consider a fighter.
@@kardiojunkee interesting, but i disagree right back. I think when youre faced with certain death and you fight back, thats just human instinct, but Katniss was CONSTANTLY ready to fight and die for her people and thats what makes her a fighter. Fighting doesnt always mean physically, its also incredibly psychological which Katniss does brilliantly. She was fighting for Prim when she volunteered, she was ready to be whipped like JC when she was protecting Gale, and fucked with everyones head when she hung that manakin of Seneca Crane as her special skill among so much more. When they ask her to perform shes pretty useless, but when shes making waves of her own accord? Shes fighting. That bitch is a fighter
@@aribailey8405
Loved your reasonings- they make sense. But will agree to disagree- her motivations and actions were spontaneous rather then deliberate and strategically planned. She was driven by emotion and the desire for justice. A fighter, in my opinion is strategic, calm minded and rational- plans attacks and does not expose themselves to harm unnecessarily.
Katniss volunteering as tribute was spontaneous, to protect her little sister, not as a fighter but out of sisterly love. Willing to die with Peta, again spontaneous response when he refused to be the victor. They would die together.
Although we see this through a different lens, I can understand your reasoning, and we both can agree that she was a bad ass!
"The worst thing a woman can be is annoying, and the worst thing a man can be is a- A KILLER" is a WILD thing to say, and I stand behind you on that one.
Frrr😊
'I can fix him' 'I can make him worse' I can play some absolute tunes, win the hunger games, and then leave him in the woods
yesss
Yes
So fun fact about Lucy Gray’s ambiguous ending: the Covey have a naming tradition where their first first name is from a ballad and their second first name is a color. But Lucy Gray is actually named after a real ballad from our world called The Ballad of Lucy Gray. And in it, Lucy Gray is out in the woods and GETS LOST IN THE SNOW, and the ending of the ballad talks about how maybe she died, or maybe she’s still alive living in the woods. There’s also something about her footprints IN THE SNOW disappearing halfway across a bridge, I think.
that’s so interesting! i just did a poetry project on a different poem by the same guy who wrote lucy gray, william wordsworth.
@@0c3anofstars Best last name ever, and honestly I’m surprised Suzanne Collins didn’t use that as someone’s surname in the series.
@@JNDReacts for real, perfect writer/poet last name, those words are worth
My nerdy self was beyond pumped when I read Wordsworth name in the credits of the movie. Perfection, past and present interacting.
That’s a big point in the book!
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who gets bored when someone says the video will be spoiler free.
we are here for the DRAMA
yes we love the gossip 😭💕
I feel this so hard. I WANT THE TEA!!!
it literally doesn't affect my viewing experience if i haven't seen the movie yet im here for tea and to see it come to life after 😌
There's actually a great essay written by Derek Thompson called, In Defense of Spoilers, where he argues that if the emotional impact of a story can lessened/ruined by already knowing details of the basic plot, is it even that good of a piece of work to begin with? The joy of a piece of work should be able to hold up beyond that if it's anything more than just a narrative gimmick or a party trick.
“War is childbirth for men” is the most iconic thing I’ve ever heard
Ah yes because women have never started wars
@@user-op6kt8pg9y proportionally way less
@user-op6kt8pg9y please do everyone a favor learn how to take a joke
I want stories where men die during childbirth and women die in war. And all of the implications.
@@user-op6kt8pg9yWhy so serious buddy 😂
lucy gray is stronger than me because if a blonde, buzzcut tom blyth ran out of a lake house screaming my name, i would have run right back and talked it out
ngl I thought that shot was from an eminem music video when I first saw it
hahahahaha
After the life people live in the hunger games I’d hope he ends me tbh
😂😂😂
Same. I understand.
the jabber jays repeating the hanging tree hanging victim’s last words is so good i love authors
SO GOOD
Okay does anyone else think that’s what the line “where a dead man called out for his love to flee” is referring to? The man himself was dead, but his last words telling his girl to run continued to play through the jabber jays
@@TheOtherBoobJustDropped I had assumed everyone knew that’s what the line meant, but after seeing all the thirst for Snow after the movie came out, I don’t have that much faith in people anymore 😆
@@falsenostalgia-shannon haha I assumed so too but I didn’t see anyone talking about it so I started to wonder if that was just my interpretation!
@TheOtherBoobJustDropped before the prequel book came out I assumed it meant dead man because he was moments away from being hanged he's already dead in a way no way to get out of that one
Tom Blyth would have made a great young Grindelwald in an alternate timeline where the Harry Potter franchise didn't self destruct.
YES
SPITTING BARS RN
They had freaking Jamie Campbell Bower as teen Grindelwald and yet don't bother to use him and Toby (teen Dumbledore) besides 2 scenes that last less than 10 seconds 😢 Even if the Fantastic Beasts didn't implode, they might be shafted
OMG YES!
Something that annoyed me about the movie is they did Clemensia so dirtyyyy, in the book she doesn't take FULL credit or is as obnoxious as in the film, she just says yeah we worked on it together because she's scared of Gaul and doesn't want to get into trouble, she and snow agreed together the night before that they weren't gonna do the project and then Snow snakes her ( ;) ) and does it anyway without telling her until after submitting it. Gaul doesn't tell her about the snakes and the scent until after she gets bit so she's essentially tricked into putting her hand in, she watches both snow and Gaul do it first without harm and had no way of knowing what would happen to her. She then is in agony and literally starts growing scales on her body and her eyes go white and is in the hospital for ages on her own because her family are told she has to be quarantined, she begs Snow to visit her and help her several times as he is the only person allowed to which he doesn't bc hes a prick, before returning to the games as a mentor with a completely new, evil personality, its said that she's grown spiteful, sly snakelike characteristics whereas before she was actually quite a decent person (by capitol standards). its shocking and shows just how evil Gaul and the capitol is as up to this point we are made to believe, and indeed the capitol still believes, that they will not be harmed, its only the districts that are at risk of this evil treatment, but the way clemensia is treated and how its hidden from everyone (only gaul and snow know this has happened) shows how nobody is safe from Capitol cruelty.
Yes!! I was so upset clemensia just didn’t want creepy Gaul to do anything to her, but unfortunately she still got got
to be fair, a lot of the other people in snow's class were actually decent people, like sejanus, clemensia, lysitrata and I think a few others seemed decent from what was told about them. even amongst his peers snow was always a shit person
Iirc, not only did they agree not to do it - that was the night Arachne died. Of *course* Clemensia would not get any work done after that.
(Also, the way Snow mimics his dad and Highbottom’s hunger games assignment this way makes me go feral)
@@corinneeaglebridge Yeah, it was so cool rereading and noticing the parallel there!
Ik this is an older comment but this bothered me sooo much. It’s weird bc it makes snow look so much better & more “moral” by comparison, which is the exact opposite of what the movie should’ve been doing. just such a pointless change to make
y'all are talking about Lucy Gray as an icon for seeing one red flag and then immediately bolting, but let's be real: girl needs to really evaluate her choice in men. First guy cheats and gets her sent to the hunger games. Second dude views her as his property and tries to kill her in the woods. I need her to not date for a while, really focus on herself for a bit
Lets be real everyone in the hunger games universe needs to not only stay single but also go to therapy
not to mention lucy gray did not even run at the first red flag!! what about the red flag of KILLING her exs gf like ik she sent her to the hunger games buttttt he shot mayfair so fast. or beating up billy taupe in front of her. girly is a queen but she def doesn’t exactly pick em 🫣
@@caitlynkroeger1705Also the fact he was going to leave for District 2 but wasn’t going to tell her until the last minute lol
@@augustine354 Katniss does remain single for abit after the Games in the book before she marries Peta.
@@caitlynkroeger1705tbf, killing Mayfair could be interpreted as a survival decision because they could have all been killed if Mayfair had ratted on them like she was threatening to. I don’t blame Lucy Gray for giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one. Beating up Billy Taupe was more of a red flag imo. Not because it was worse, obviously, but because there was less of an understandable reason for it.
Viola as Dr. Gaul was so much fun. She was the best part of the movie. I hope she does more movies/shows like this where she can just be off the rails insane.
Very cartoony, very 'camp', so very fun.
She knows when to be campy and eccentric and when to be menacing and domineering. There were some moments in the movie where I almost felt scared for the characters whenever they interacted with her character or her character’s creations. She definitely had a strong presence in the film and I absolutely adored her character (plus her character design was **chef’s kiss** I love the colors)
She was my favorite character to watch ngl 😂 Dr Gaul is so unhinged I love it
That character low-key scared me😂 I LOVE THE FILM THOUGH
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45:19 one correction here but the Jabberjays (all male) that the Capitol created during the war were expected to die out in a few years after being released but they actually mated with common mockingbirds to create Mockingjays, who couldn't be controlled like the jabberjays but they could repeat a melody in the exact same way. that's why Snow hated them, the Jabberjays were created for the Capitol and by the Capitol but the Mockingjays were a symbol that they couldn't control everything and that the things they used and cast out (the jabberjays, the victors, district 13) wouldn't just conveniently die. it's the mockingjays that are all around district 12, including at the Hanging Tree where they eerily echo the dead person's last cry.
that's also why when he loses it, he starts shooting at the mockingjays.
oh shit that's such a good analysis didn't know that
The more you know.
Thank you.
It's actually still the jabberjays at the hanging tree, as per the book. It's a whole plot point.
Thing you haven't mentioned (or maybe forgot) is that Coral's last words were "it's not fair, I couldn't have killed them for nothing right ?". Which is just heartbreaking cuz I just thought she was a crazy biatch, but it turns out she hated every second of it, but had to do it cuz she didn't have another choice and she feels horrible about it.
Woah fascinating, I interpreted it very much the other way around! Unlike the Career tribute from the first Hunger Games, who seemed to be absolutely broken by the arena in the end and basically begged for the end, Coral's last words pretty much cemented her in her shown character for me. To me it sounded less like regret and more like sunk-cost-fallacy - like "come on, ain't no way I out in all that work and now don't get the prize, not fair!".
But I do see how it can just as well be looked at the other way around!
I watched the movie with my best friends and we got harassed by a drunk woman and I felt so Lucy Gray-coded because now I am a survivor.
omg you are a SURVIVOR
@@uncarley RIGHTTTTT
you are the victor
i will say i did kinda have to almost laugh at lucy vs everyone else’s outfit at the reaping like it felt that “guess the main character in an anime based on their haircut” meme. like was she absolutely snatched in the middle of the dust bowl. like they renamed it hunger games cause she ate every last crumb and left everyone else starving in the navy/beige ring of hell
for me, spoilers don't matter if I don't plan to indulge in the media, and the take that a man's attractiveness PLUMMETS once he shows fascist tendencies...so true girlie, and you should say it proudly!
being attracted to men in the modern age means finding out if the hot boy is a facist before you have a crush on him
He was an asshole in the books, not just because of the fascism but he showed some really creepy tendencies and red flags, like thinking he had ownership over lucy. I actually don’t understand how people look at him and think “I want that man”. HE SOLD THE VICTORS AND KILLED KIDS, I love a good villain, but it’s so hard to defend him or even find him attractive when he does actually horrifying things.
@@All-ze9cl well, we are seeing him from an outside perspective, opposed to the books where we read his internal, twisted thoughts. It is interesting that our perception of him in the movie is the same as people in the capitol had, because his attractiveness and charm is what made him get away with things in the capitol by lying and what eventually made him become President Snow. Just some thoughts I have on our “attraction” to such an evil character.
@@luciajimenezaunion5067 I agree! It’s just human nature to defend someone you find attractive. I’m guilty of it, I think we all are, but I think it’s just so hard to find snow hot when we’ve seen him from the lens of a victim, Katniss. And of course his own thoughts which are crazy
true shit! nothing gives me the ick like the knowledge that a man thinks civil rights are just a suggestion!
just wanna say, in my interpretation of the scene where Lucy Gray runs away from Snow, it isn’t just that she’s realised he killed Sejanus, it’s because she realises he might also kill her to ensure her silence. I saw the movie a few days ago in the cinema so I could be remembering wrong, but when they find the guns I think Lucy Gray says something about how those are the only things linking him to the crime-those and her. She leaves to pick some katniss-even though “Katniss” isn’t in season yet-because she’s realised that Snow clearly doesn’t trust her and is paranoid enough to kill her, maybe because she’s also realised that he ratted on Sejanus and killed him.
And she’s right, when he finds the scarf he yells out “Lucy Gray, are you trying to kill me?” because that’s what he was just considering. In the book, the doctor notes that the snake that bit him isn’t even poisonous. Maybe Lucy Gray didn’t even leave that snake there. But he instantly assumed she tried to kill him bc he was thinking about killing her. Paranoia is such a staple of dictators and it’s interesting to see how Snow, even as a child, always had that kind of paranoia.
I think thats, like, the thing you're supposed to notice most - that she realises she's in danger - they can't directly say it but they all but directly say it
@@sophiehobley828 i agree! however, carly didn’t mention it-she just said lucy gray left because she realised snow killed sejanus. someone who hasn’t seen the movie and only this video might not pick up on what i mentioned
I can’t get enough of this hunger games resurgence I miss how those books made me feel when I was 12
i reread the books recently after like 8 yrs and im still confused how i wasn’t more disturbed at 12. especially with the first book 😭 it was a lot
yes the hunger games renaissance is here
You read this book at 12? That's young.
if i had to summarize my reading of The Ballad it would be “get a job. get away from her.” like he is a yassified draco malfoy, a motherfucking city gworl. idk how anyone who reads the book can thirst for young snow
lucy gray on the other hand, talented, amazing, show-stopping, never been done before
Thats what i always say! Snow is what draco thinks he is
YES
CITY GWORL
This is besides the point but isn’t it insane that Rachel Zegler is still getting more hate for speaking her mind than Russel Brand is for assaulting/ r wording multiple teenage girls 🤔.
Haven’t seen the film yet but she is such a talent and the hate she is getting is BONKERS.
TRUTH
people hate women!! and want to punish them for existing!
rachel zegler they will never make me hate u
She literally said one annoying thing and people won’t let her forget it, tons of other celebrities (especially men) get away with saying much worse things and don’t get hate. They need to leave her alone, she’s a great actor and seems like a sweet person
What could she possibly be getting hate for?
To anyone who liked the movie, I highly recommend also reading the book. They did good cutting it down but there’s a lot of stuff that was cut out that is really interesting
the book is a ROMP just a great read
The tributes getting dragged behind the horses was insane
@@All-ze9cl Clemensia turning into a snake!
Just reading about Brandy, the female tribute from District 10, being hung by a crane during Arachne’s funeral procession was jarring. I kind of wish they’d included imagery like that in the movie, because it really drives home how f*cked up the Capitol already was, that people from the districts were seen as less than human. And I wish they’d mentioned that a veterinarian was caring for them, they didn’t even bring in a doctor to treat the wounded after the bombing.
@@crystalpritchard5065 allegedly there's a 4 hour cut out there somewhere. it was prob cut to keep the rating pg-13 :/
i understand her use of roman names with the west's reverence of the roman empire but her naming conventions always end up creating something so funny bc in the trilogy we get the Peenis ship and in this one we get the anus bois
I love the aourhors use of Roman names. The unintentionally sexual ship names are a bonus
And the contrast with the Romantic names of the Covey. Lucy Gray is a Wordsworth poem
ANUS BOIS WHAT
don't forget about fannie
I do agree that Katniss is, like, the unproblematic version of Not Like Other Girls. She truly is not like other girls and does not try to do anything with that in regards to boys because tbh, boys are in the way of caring for her sister and surviving and she does not have time. But I love that Suzanne Collins clearly didn’t set out to make a Not Like Other Girls and proves it with Lucy
but like...how do we know she's not like other girls? the other female contestants seemed pretty crafty. she might just be more introverted and obviously she's the main character, so the spotlight will be on her. what's this obsession with subcategorising women?
Rachel is doing an Appalachian accent because canonically Katniss is supposed to be more of an indigenous/appalachian descent.
ahhhh that makes more sense
i feel like the reason why the capital becomes so campy in the main story compared to songbirds & snakes is because of lucy. snow gained power and everything he does is influenced by lucy now, which in turn influences the people he has the most power over. he learned how to perform because of her.
wow you're so right
He also saw first hand through Lucy how powerful performance could be. It can be used to topple empires if done right.... or building one.
omg i too was struck with The Influenza. slipping in and out of consciousness with the Ballads audiobook on in the background I’d wake up hearing the names “Sejanus Plinth” and “Casca Highbottom” and briefly wonder if I’d lost the ability to speak english
so valid, i absolutely could not figure out the names of the characters besides snow, his family, and lucy gray whilst watching the movie
you are me and i am you
i was listening to invadervies twitch streams and wow the dream i had was wild good lord, i should be more careful cause it got so weird
“War is childbirth for men” in ASOIAF (GOT) there is a line that says “Childbirth is a woman’s battlefield” so poetic truly.
Fr, and “war is childbirth for men” is like THE thesis of House of the Dragon ep 1 too
there's something inherently misogynystic about this that I can't put my finger on. especially when not every woman can or will give birth. this kind of rhetoric is used as an excuse by male screenwriters to reduce female characters down to their reproductive functions...without actually having to humanise us. that minute-long walk of a bleeding rhaenerya in house of dragons was eye-roll inducing, especially when followed by her yawn-worthy characterisation/arc. "hey, look I know we didn't give this female character a very interesting story or an actual personality, but look how hard childbirth is! that's what makes women cool, not our humanity, pregnancy trauma porn!!! feminism!"
every time a canonical pop culture event takes place, I only look forward to Carley's opinion on it and she NEVER disappoints
omg thank you
Have I read the book? Yes. Have I seen the movie? Yes. Did I watch every second of this? Also yes.
omg yesss
Same!
same
One of my favorite lines was during Lucy Gray’s reaping when Arachne says “what is that dress? Is she some sort of clown?” If she only knew what the capitol would become lol
Not only is the 'Are you coming to the tree' song basically Lucy calling Snow to the grave, that line 'Its the things we love the most that destroy us'. Lucy loved Snow and Snow betrayed her. Snow loved Lucy and her ghost will destroy him. I always thought The Hunger Games films were a bit dull but now when you watch them you see that Snow sees Lucy every time he sees Katniss. 'I was busy looking at you and you looking at me, then coin usurps both of us' Someone must have known about Lucy Gray to weaponise that against him. Katniss is the Mockingjay, repeating Lucy's song. Maybe Finnick when he says Snow killed his allies.
this is amazing
I’m just mind blown with Collins and her mind. What a way to elevate your story with a prequel. This is how its done.
the way it ties in is just SO GOOD
no because corals last line in the movie of “i cant have killed them all for nothing” CRUSHED
God, seeing Snow’s internal monologue (compared to the movie) is so wild.
My absolute favourite moment is when Sejanus’ mother says something like “you’re his only friend” to Snow, and his immediate internal response is “that’s sad, imagine having no friends at all”, boy is fucking brutal.
Also, Lucy Grey immediately disappearing into the woods forever at the first hint of red flag is iconic
Ugh YES, the movie did not succeed in showing Snow is absolutely psychotic and it was solely because the lack of his internal monologue!!
the parallels of katniss being the mockingjay and her mirroring so much of Lucy gray is fucking BRILLIANT
YEAH snow must’ve had ptsd of people calling female 12th district victors a type of bird
SO GOOD
I was a huge fan of THG when I was 16-18 (though I did not like the last two movies), so I went to this movie just because I *always* did go to a THG premiere. I was not prepared for such awesomeness. I went for the second time 2 days later and I am still blown away by acting, camera operation, THE MUSIC, everything. This movie was also a catalyst that pushed me into pursuing a music career, which I have been thinking about for the last 10 years but was never bold enough to try and do something.
everyone working on this movie was so talented it just LOOKS incredible and the acting is phenomenal
Bomb ass decision 🎶 CONGRATULATIONS BOO 🎉 I know we'll see ur name on the charts by next yr
You should pursue music career!
The soundtracks to these movies are always amazing. James Newton Howard knows what he’s doing.
@@ItsFreakingGrimmie thank you so much! I just signed up for an academic vocal course, my first meeting is on tuesday! 🤭
Can't believe hot young President Snow tried to silence another songbird
the rebellion will not be stopped
The sherlock text animation is EVERYTHING to me
RIGHT
Wovey is so cute and sweet. I appreciated the casting of an actress with Down syndrome and like many others, I thought it showed that no one is spared from cruelty in this society, not even someone with a disability. Also it was encouraging to see a diverse cast.
32:32 no genuinely this man deserves an award, he had a total of like 2 important scenes, hardly said anything, and yet i was crying for his character in both scenes, absolutely amazing i have not stopped thinking about him specifically
It really pisses me off when people say that this movie was just another cash grab prequel or remake ( heard a someone review the film on the radio saying this ) I’ve been waiting for this movie since the book came out! Also I think the story is so important to tell. Like with how the hunger games were created, why they kept going and why is everyone ok with it. Because no one liked it when it started and it would have stopped at the 10th games if it weren’t for Snow. I feel like it makes the whole story seem so much more realistic! Also how Lucky Flickerman thinks the games will be over in a day shows how previous games were so fast but the later games are over in a week or more.
it's such an intentional step forward with the same IP! i thought it was really well done
There’s this really great theory I’ve seen that suggests Katniss is descended from Lucy Gray’s cousin, Maude Ivory (I think she’s the one who brings Lucy Gray the katniss when they’re at the lake).
Maude Ivory is like, 9 years old, and she’s able to memorize any song after hearing it just once (which is also something Katniss mentions being able to do in Mockingjay). This is important because The Hanging Tree is only performed one time, and only for a few people, one of whom is Maude Ivory. Then the song is outlawed for being too rebellious. So the most likely way for Katniss to know it is that her dad is the son or possibly grandson of Maude Ivory.
Also the cabin by the lake is a place Katniss’s dad took her to a lot as a kid, and Katniss’s family home is located in the same place as the Covey home (in the Seam on the edge of a meadow).
No bc idc how cliche is this connection or the parallels between katniss and lucy, i love this theory soooo much like it’s just gives everything
@@user-bk9bs3oc8c yeah, when it comes to fiction I don’t care if it’s “realistic” or whatever for characters to have connections like this, it’s fun for me. Especially when it’s hinted at with breadcrumbs like this where the audience can piece it together.
ooooo wild!!
but like what sane person comes to a youtube breakdown NOT looking for spoilers
RIGHT?!
he probably also had to think about his ex every time someone even said Katniss's name which I love
YESS
“snakes, scent, fascist, who won’t girls f*** me” I’m dead 💀
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who DOESN'T hate Rachel Zegler! I actually thought I was losing my mind when I found out everyone hates her because she *checks notes* doesn't like snow white???
not even doesn’t like snow white. she just didn’t like the reliance upon the prince which is totally understandable??
@@walkingexistentaldread3079how? She called the prince a creep and a stalker, it's literally a love story how is relying on a prince such a bad thing
people just hate women! and dont want to say it! they're punishing her for being confident and successful!
@@user-op6kt8pg9ybarely half of it has much to do about the prince. The most memorable part of Snow White are her songs, the dwarves, the queen and her apple. The existence of the prince is the least meaningful part.
@@user-op6kt8pg9y It isn’t a love story though, the true morale of the story is kindness over vanity, which mainly exists between the relationships between Snow White, the Queen, and the dwarves. The Prince is a plot device used to make her wake up via the “true love” kiss rule
A-tier editing at the beginning going from “the microphone stays because otherwise it sounds like I’m recording in a conch shell” to “Commercials (Live From The Conch Shell)”
thats high art babe
couldnt have said it better myself
its heavily implied that dr gaul is the one behind the arena explosion, not the rebels, in the books
Everything is Gaul. She's the Sidious to his Vader. I wouldn't be surprised if she staged Lucy Gray's abduction and murder.
she is everything to me
It's actually so scary that the hunger games wouldn't exist if Snow kept his big mouth shut and stopped giving them clever little ideas for viewership, it was so close to be shut down for lack of popularity, and of course he had to go ruin that.
I KNOW
The fact that Rachel and Josh are dating is also really iconic. Like in an alternate world I could totally have seen their characters getting together. Also, have you guys heard that fan theory that Snow would never have been able to let a loose end go and that he definitely dumped Lucy in the lake with the guns and he just has PTSD so that's why we can't see it? Like, he can't remember it happened exactly. Which makes some sense to me because of how frikin chaotic and almost disjointed everything in the woods was. Like it would be real nice if she escaped, but....he's a pretty obsessive person. I seriously doubt he would just turn around and go home. Like. oh well! We gave it our best shot. Guess I can live without knowing where the one person who could get me hung is for the rest of my life.
I like your theory, but I prefer to believe that she lived and snuck back into 12. I also like to think that Lucy Gray is Katniss’ grandmother, and my only evidence for this is that Katniss AND her dad knew of the Hanging Tree song which idk how many people really knew this song. This would add so much irony to Katniss taking down Snow.
@@nicholashoover8447 Counter theory: Katniss is a descendant of one of the other covey. Maybe that blonde girl Lucy was hanging with is Katniss's mom's mom. Lucy probably showed her close friends that song at the very least before she left. I'm sure most of the covey knew it and spread it subtly after Lucy went missing as a sort of act of rebellion after they probably thought the mayor killed her
OMG WHAT
@@nicholashoover8447I think the theory that Lucy is Katniss' grandmother kind of cheapens the original story, like suddenly it becomes a "chosen one" plot.
@@nicholashoover8447I don’t think Lucy Gray could be Katniss’s grandma, but Maude Ivory would make a lot of sense
Coriolanus is a Shakespeare play about a rich Roman general who is so disgusted with democracy coming to Rome and having to be nice to poor people that he leaves and joins up with his enemy to invade Rome. He's convinced otherwise and then gets killed by that same enemy.
So the name fits.
(Also loved this movie. When it was over I thought "THIS is how a villain prequel should be made. I only wish the damn Star Wars prequels had been like this).
“Billy taupe and this other man called spruce”
*Put a spruce tree image to represent him*
I know is not that deep but I laughed so hard of that because was very unpredictable
can’t believe you didn’t mention the tigris line at the end of the film!! “I think you look just like your father”
KILLED ME
donald sutherlands disembodied voice popping out of nowhere in the last second of the movie scared me more than anything i’ve ever experienced
Lucky Flickerman was THE BEST part. I also love the little “yes and a high chair” when he made the dinner reservation, letting us know Caesar is canonically alive. Also love that The Hunger Games has only ever had 2 hosts.
The ending was the same as the ending of the poem Lucy Gray by William Wordsworth. The last three stanzas of the poem goes;
They followed from the snowy bank
Those footmarks, one by one,
Into the middle of the plank;
And further there were none!
--Yet some maintain that to this day
She is a living child;
That you may see sweet Lucy Gray
Upon the lonesome wild.
O'er rough and smooth she trips along,
And never looks behind;
And sings a solitary song
That whistles in the wind.
Suzanne Collins is a genius and this gives me chills✨
so good!!
omg amazing
what broke me the most about woveys death was reaper warning her and trying to stop her
I like how you said without the mic the audio sounds like the inside of a conch shell, and then IMMEDIATELY cut to a sponsor segment from the inside of a conch shell
i was thinking the same thing! 😂
i had to show you how bad it could be
I've been listening to the hanging tree multiple times a day ever since I saw the film!! That song will never not bring a smile onto my face, its just so beautiful and Rachel did an amazing job with the vocals, her voice is perfect for Lucy Gray!
her vocals are unmatched
The author is actually so smart for this, because (vibes and fangirling aside) this is actually very accurate with today's situation and war's impact within our society. Can't help but think that we're all Capitol in a way because we learn about all the attacks via media but we're not being impacted directly. We should really reflect in our daily privilege and be more mindful with what's currently going on.
The whole point of his story is it was always in him. He was raised in the Capitol where their POV is the districts are below them, there to serve them. It's a character study of a true villain origin story. He is never a good person, he just evolves into what he becomes in the Hunger Games we see when Katniss comes along. It's a study of a narcissist and a look at a narcisstic relationship. I truly envision Snow constantly looking for Lucy Gray with his surveillance technologies after the events in TBOSBAS. Like maybe he does find her and locks her in a cage for himself because that is how and what he is thinking in the books. Then she hates him for the rest of her life. Or maybe she makes it to District 13 and is one of our original trilogy's characters' ancestors.
Snow also attends university back at the capital because he won a Plinth prize of sorts after all because Sejanus' parents are thankful he was such a good friend to their son (oof) that they pay for all his college needs and then some putting the Snows back to their former wealth. Not sure what his major was but I'm guessing Poly-Sci while learning more about the games working with Dr. Gaul. Surely a recipe for success.
FINALLY someone who loves spoiler as much as me. representation MATTERS and thats it omg
literally. whether i’m going to watch something or not, i eat spoilers up😭
spoilers are EVERYTHING
We love rachel zegler
in this house we support rachel zegler
rachel zegler my best friend
an icon thee moment
I have listened to the soundtrack on repeat 🔂 for a week now
There is a poem by William Wordsworth called ‘Lucy Gray’ and it was published in ‘Lyrical Ballads’. There is a line in there that is particularly prevalent: “…Not blither is the mountain roe: With many a wanton stroke her feet disperse the powdery snow, that rises up like smoke…”
you really give us content we didn't realize we needed
omg im happy to supply
"viola davis has her oscar" and frankly she's getting another one !! she acted the fuck out of gaul !!
OSCAR FOR DR GAUL
I lowkey need you to do this for the original movies too like this was great
me too omg i love the way she explains the story points
omg okay i love this
Highkey
this movie taught me that lucy gray is actually better than everyone else bc the SECOND I got home from watching it, I saw that my friends had sent at least a fatal amount of young snow edits to me. guys he is truly just some dude, tigris is !!RIGHT THERE!!
Just a fun little fact: District 12 is in Appalachia, so the accent is more of a mountain accent than Southern. Very similar, but with little regional differences in it
53:20 when snow starts to look for lucy, he also finds the scarf he gave her that used to belong to his mother (which she promised to keep safe) and when he picks it up a snake bits him-
a cool theory i like is that he didnt actually see her when he shot at her, since she was in different clothes (specifically the clothes she wore in the arena) and he was potentially a bit delirious if the snake was poisonous
I noticed it’s the mayors who draw the name so I think later that’s why they send someone from the capitol (Effie) to do the drawing to prevent rigging it like his daughter did
"ppl give her hate bc theyre like shes annoying, she should be more annoying" iconic
Will I watch this 54 minute video even though I have to actually leave the house in 40…….
Why yes, yes I will
im so happy to make you late! late people unite
I was OBSESSED with the Hunger Games series when I was in middle school! I basically made my love for the books and movies my entire personality (as I do with all of my obsessions), and this resurgence of popularity for the series is bringing back all of those memories
The spoiler thing? So real. A video where I want to know the tea and all they do is toptoe around the plot with vague comments drives me insane.
i need the gossip
a note on lucy gray singing, its established earlier that she got the snake that she dropped on the girl that sent her to the reaping by singing to it
this movie was SO INSANE ive seen it three times and now im watching an hr long review of it...
TRULY INSANE i had a blast
"War is childbirth for men" I died😂😂
put this on my tombstone
41:16 "snakes, scent, fascist, why won't girls like me" INCREDIBLE
I cannot tell you how happy I am that you uploaded this. This rebirth of THG is really soup for the 20-something soul lmao
this is so kind
WE ARE SO BACK IN THE HUNGER GAMES ERA! I went in blind to the movie without reading the prequel and figured this will be just another slow paced prequel, WAS NOT PREPARED for this masterpiece!
Went home and got started on the Original Trilogy and THAT’S how you do a prequel, so good that it makes one want to read or watch the Original.
My only complaint is that there needed to be more Peter Dinklage, I don’t particularly care for him as a person but he’s a great fucking actor, and his character is pretty interesting
YES more of peter always
wait what did he dooo
Oh thank god. I cant mentally afford to fall back into my 2014 Hunger Games obsession so you posting this has saved me
im so happy to help
The quick cut to the inside of your echo chamber/conch shell, specifically for the sponsorship portion of the ad, is such an underrated moment
This movie really is about why you should never to trust a man who gets a buzzcut
Writing a hero who is good and fighting evil on his/her journey is the easiest concept in the world. But making an evil narcistic dictator interesting IS a god tier writing (novel or script). Some people may find funny the example I’m abt to give but I was amazed when they made Thanos so relatable and letting him win at the end of Infinity War. Because it was so risky but new and smart idea at the same time!! Anyways I was so hyped abt the idea when I read book but kinda confused abt if the movie works with this theme. Bcz like I said its pretty hard thing to do. But with a believable character (evil or not), good directing and wanderful acting they prove that they can manage that so well. As a hardcore hunger games fan this movie is a magnum opus. If I put this aside it was 7.5 out of 10 very enjoyable movie.
yessss
THEY DIDNT PUT HANGING BRANDY DURING ARACHNIS FUNERAL INTO THE MOVIE?????? THATS ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES OF HOW THEY SEE PEOPLE FROM THE DISTRICT ITS LIKE ONE OF THE MOST INSANE THINGS I HEARD I WAS JAW DROPPED LISTENING TO THAT IN THE CAR I WAS LIKE OH YM GFUCKIN GODF
I KNOW IT IS TRULY AN INSANE IMAGE
Carly: you can't legally show a dead body on the news
Spanish reporters: Hold my carne asada
Uncarley: the mic is here to stay. Also uncarley: cuts to ad with no mic lmao 😂
thats high art
I'm happy to hear someone defend and support Rachel
I LOVE HER
the fact that the only jessup pic u used throughout the whole video is a bad quality one with ai to make it look good makes me respect u so much more
glam jessup is everything
I was a teen when the original trilogy started and now I'm 28 and going to the premier for this movie made me so happy!
right!!
Honestly hilarious that in the middle of describing the absolute atrocity of the televised child death match orchestrated by the government, Carley pauses to express the utmost shock that this same government would show a single dead body on the news. Iconic tbh.
the fact that it took people online pointing this out to me for me to understand how crazy i was being is insane to me
“it would sound like I’d be broadcasting live from a conch shell” transitioning to the conch core ad read was so real