"You're a Professional Atheist!" - Caller Runs When Asked for Evidence | Matt Dillahunty & Erika GG
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2025
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Caller Brian from Minnesota argues people should explore Christianity's benefits, but admits he can't make an evidence-based case for its truth. When hosts Matt and Erika press for specific unique benefits, Brian cites a basic Proverbs verse about avoiding danger. The conversation becomes tense as Brian makes incorrect assumptions about Matt's background and implies he's closed-minded due to being a "professional atheist." Despite Matt and Erika pointing out the flaws in his arguments, Brian fails to present evidence for either Christianity's unique value or his claims about Matt's character. The call concludes with Brian hanging up when challenged to justify his assumptions, highlighting the importance of evidence-based discussion and the problems with ad hominem arguments.
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Love that 15 second pause while Brian's brain had a full shutdown when Matt asked, "If you can't shown that that god exists in the bible, why would anybody care what the bible has to say about that god?" He absolutely scrambles and you can hear the defense mechanisms in his mind going into overdrive.
Sounds like he gets out of breath over it sometimes.
The poor Brian is stuck on stupid mode
Is that what those little machine noises were?😊
That was 15 seconds of wriggling on Matt's hook. Or realizing you're an ant siding into an ant wolf's funnel.
Brian is far more adept at defending his cognitive dissonance than actually understanding his Bible
“Not trying to dismiss me entirely, but trying to dismiss me a little bit?”
OMG Matt is tearing this guy to shreds. And deservedly so.
i mean the weaselly "entirely" stood out to me too at 5:22. xD
As soon as that came out of Brian's mouth, I started to cringe and thought, "OMG, here comes Matt!"
😂
@@irrelevant_noob Truth is not a religious belief, truth is the living Word (Jesus Christ). When one knows the truth (Jesus Christ) Spirit to spirit, born of the Spirit (Holy Spirit) they are set free from the lies of the enemy. Believe (have faith) that Jesus Christ is who he says he is, and you too will be saved. We are in the last days. Don't wait or it may be too late. Jesus Christ is finite man's only hope. This evil world, atheists and the devil (Satan - the enemy) offer no hope. Hope is offered to all who believe (have faith). No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
Brian: "Ok, so I think part of the issue here is.... (pause)... I had my script and you have ruined it by asking me questions I was not prepared for."
And he was _instantly_ thrown off-script by being shown he was unfamiliar with what Matt or Erika's religious backgrounds were (or weren't) at the start of the call.
[Edit] Whoops...left out a word there.
😂😂😂
Months of reading "excusagetics" weeks of preparation, days of practice. At the starting line, starters gun fires and one legged Brian FACEPLANTS, on a smooth-running track. LOL
@@jeffl.9633 I have to give him credit for at least being honest at the end of his call. Suggesting that Matt is not open minded™️ enough, because he is a "professional atheist" (AKA he uses logic and scepticism) was disrespectful, but it was kind of honest at the same time, because poor Brian unknowingly admitted that his """"arguments""""" are acceptable only if you are a simple minded person who is gullible enough to believe anything that makes you feel good.
(By "you", I don't mean you specifically 😉)
G'day @@stultusvenator3233, 😂"excusagetics" Nice Have a beer with me for that one 🥳🍻
“Look Matt, it keeps me from doing gay stuff!”
Funniest comment winner!
😂😂 😂 😂😂
You are missing out bro
Well, according to my classmates I'm just doing fabulous 🤩!
Arguably more harmful 😂
Nobody in an elevator actually wants you to proselytize to them, Brian. Please don't do that.
I think in general no one wants to talk to Brian.
He can try to push that crap on me and then deal with me laughing at him😅
I hope i never get stuck between floors with him.
When Jehova Witness ring my door bell I say, "We don't celebrate human sacrifice. Thank you." through the ring cam.
This is why I don’t turn around in elevators. If you walk into an elevator, and don’t turn to face the doors, no one will get on with you, and if they’re on they’ll get off at the next chance.
Proverbs 22:3 NCV "The wise see danger ahead and avoid it, but fools keep going and get into trouble." I wonder if Brian has any sense of irony.
Yes! I was looking for someone who also made that connection.
I highly doubt he could put it together in order to recognize his situation, let alone admit it if he saw it. But, this is a grand observation that made me chuckle inside.
lol! How true.
^ eigengrau_hund out here dropping burns hotter than the burning bush.
Brian chose his favorite proverb... and then proceeded to completely ignore it.
I feel bad for Brian. He knows not what kind of pile he was stepping in when he called.
Well he found out quickly
He ignored to read the fine print before calling
For thou cometh with naught but BS, apologetics and nonsens'eth, yea thou shall be struck down from on high and your dust scattered in the winds. LOL
you can hear him sweating at times
I agree. But never the less why is this always our go-to? These callers always come in this trying leapfrog paternalistic way of thinking. And then act surprised when it turn's out that they attempted to jump over 10 ascending skyscrapers
He literally started this call as a Struggle session. Nobody knows anything and should be humble, and we get to single out atheists cause they're being a bit much asking for this "scientific evidence"
I just wish there was a way to pushback when caller's come at atheist from the jump with their id frickwhit nonsense and mirror opining.
I understand formal language makes addressing the later difficulty but I'll do my part and suggest pushback. Maybe that energy will go somewhere. Unfortunately we can't just tell people to stop being tarded.
Brian wasn't expecting to get hit in the face with a shovel full of logic.
Or a shovel 😂
I think Brian wasn't expecting to be continuously interrupted before he could even put two sentences together by a bad faith host who professionally makes fun of and mocks theists by reducing everything they have to say down to a single, unprovable point (in either direction), but which, for some reason, is more important than anything else to them.
But yeah. Logic. You keep telling yourself that, most atheists do. One of the most baffling things of my entire life are atheist "scientists" who argue that THERE'S NO PROOF God exists, therefore THERE MUST NOT BE A GOD. That right there is so blatantly illogical I just can't.
Atheism, like theism, is an entirely faith based argument. It isn't logical. It isn't scientific. It's just someone pulling something out of their ass going "SEE, TRUTH!!"
And, like most fundamentalism, it's toxic nonsense.
Brian's question about Matt's upbringing was so fucking on point as to not even be funny btw. Matt was raised in the south as a Southern Baptist, one of the most fundamentalist Christian denominations out there, as well as Pentecostal, another notoriously fundamentalist denomination. Matt left behind his religion, but he didn't leave his fundamentalism. He's the same kind of asshole, just a different flavor.
Mind you, plenty of people overcome their upbringing to become reasonable, compassionate, kind folk. Just not Matt. He doubled and tripled down on being a fundamentalist, just for atheism. He loves arguing from a faith based religious standpoint that has no proof, just as he was raised to.
Logic is a foreign concept for theists.
Don't bring apologetics to a shovel fight.
Mmmm shovels at dawn....
I don't have to be a former believer to know know what Christianity was in it's history. Allowing any religion too much power will always be a bad idea.
i can't imagine a religion with any power being a good idea at all. i also can't think about a religion without power. so there's a simple conclusion to draw from that for me. but i just don't know if that's just a limit of my imagination
Any power is too much
@@RobertWorkman-y5u power corrupts absolutely
@@LOwens-xf8yothat's not how the phrase goes. "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
When power has magic at it's core, one invites much magical thinking to decisions being made.
The Bible says it's wise to take precautions? Wow now I'm a believer.
My dog can push the back door open except when it’s locked, so he has learned to not run into it at full speed. He takes precautions by slowing down. Dogs are smarter than god.
@@soyevquirsefron990 God is just a backwards doG.
I have taken the precaution to not believe in magic, this bible thingy has wise words 🤨🤔🤭😇
@@soyevquirsefron990 And it probably thinks we humans are too godmatic in our ways.
Truly revolutionary
Brian wasn't ready for this. I mean he couldn't have been prepared to defend his position but he clearly didn't confront secular thought with anyone he's ever spoken to before this call except for maybe with people in his life who have left religion and don't want to talk to him about it.
Maybe he’s never met a non believer.
@@StephenWisner-c5i: most likely 👍
@@StephenWisner-c5i … who admitted to being one.
Some christians have a tendency to fix non-belief with burning and piercing bodily arguments, as if it still was the middle ages and this was a witch-hunt.
A clinic on the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Theists always call in with such confidence, and the instant they’re asked ANY direct question, their entire rehearsed argument falls apart.
“What about this?”
“Uh, well, yeah, uh, I didn’t think about that.”
Right. You didn’t think about anything at all. That’s why you’re a theist in the first place: you just blindly accept things that you’re told by other people who don’t know anything.
The problem is that our conception of reality is never fully rational (and I don't mean rational in a positive or negative sense); it is also intuitive and emotional. There are very many things that are fundamental to our lives and how we live them that cannot be proven scientifically. I think it's accepted by most religious thinkers that God is ultimately not provable (or at least not provable to the satisfaction of people who do not have the same intuitions/inspirations/openness to the non-empirical).
@feltfirefox
"The opinion which is fated to be ultimately agreed to by all who investigate, is what we mean by the truth, and the object represented in this opinion is the real. That is the way I would explain reality."
~ Charles Sanders Peirce
@@feltfirefox Thus, the scientific method was born, to keep intuitive and emotional beliefs and “common” sense out of facts and conclusions. It may still influence the direction of investigation, that is not so much of a problem.
Occam’s Razor (do not multiply entities without need) is one of the tools.
As to the “very many fundamental things”: name some of those that do not invoke supernatural forces, powers, or gods.
@@feltfirefox It is not the job of a person listening to prove your extraordinary claim false. If you can't prove it to be true, a person listening not only can but should dismiss your claim - and perhaps you, as well - for suggesting that anybody else believe it. You need to learn about burden of proof, my friend.
@@adropofgoldensun27 Most truths we are not aware of, let alone in agreement on. I suppose he's right if we are given enough time to clear away all our ignorance and to become more intelligent beings.
"Cheese!" I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
"Blessed are the cheesemakers..." ... or any manufacturers of dairy products.
I almost choked on my provolone!
Cheeses Christ, too funny
Caller: "I've examined other religions"
also caller: "Christianity is the only religion that says you should be careful sometimes"
also also caller: "I haven't looked into weather Proverbs is newer than Geneses"
It's like peeling away an onion of lies
It's whether, and genesis!
For next time !
@@jeffc2630 Only one space after a comma, and none before an exclamation mark, for next time.
And he began leeking. And didnt stop.
Taking precautions. Gee, never thought of that. Thanks Brian, you saved me.🙏
It really is one of those common sense deepities
Matt: "Is there a benefit to Christianity that is in any way connected to Christianity being true?"
If not, I have no interest in becoming involved with a false belief system or empty doctrine. If your personal theology is based on fantasy and misrepresentation then it's time to rethink your life choices.
If you think that you are living a life free from the power of imagination, then you're living the most imaginary life of all:
One of pure delusion.
That or you're a sociopath... that's also always a strong contender.
@@cyrusmagnus Anyone who cooks up an on-line identity with a name like "cyrusmagnus" and then accuses someone else of "pure delusion" and "sociopathy" for refusing to worship their imaginary sky-daddy... I'd say 'yew do yew' but I think you already are.
@@krisaaron5771 My online handle is an amalgamation of two names that have great meaning to me, you know, meaning, an imaginary concept created by human beings to ascribe value to other imaginary things like names, all of which being utterly unscientific and immeasurable in terms of importance other than through purely subjective, anecdotal data.
I don't have a sky daddy, though I'm in the market for one. I just find most of them rather burdensome wanting either blood, slavish devotion, or total self sacrifice of the personal ego, which just isn't my cup of tea.
@@cyrusmagnusWhat do you even mean? If you think living rationally is equivalent to religious dogma, maybe you’re delusional.
Brian has problems.
Yup. It's call religion.
And he just got one more, and a gigantic one: Matt dumped on him a megaton package of the religious absurdities he believes plus the flawed reasoning that goes with that, and he’s not very likely to be able to deal with it without breaking his brain and glueing the pieces again.
Poor Brian. That’s his life…
Because some people find the Bible useful, that makes it true...he was tempted and he walked right into that one.
@@l-_-lShadowCat Yeah Mat gave him BRIANdamage
@@l-_-lShadowCat I am pretty sure it’s not The Life of Brian. More the suicide commando therein.
Sir Brian bravely ran away.
"It's only a flesh wound" 😁😁
Why do I suddenly hear coconuts a-clacking?
He buggered off
He chickened out
@bestbehave When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
@@simonkoster That's enough music for now lads, there's dirty work afoot.
Brian doesn’t understand that when you’re in a hole, stop digging.
@@brynpookc1127 If he could tell he was in a hole
Maybe he was hoping to reach China…
Depends on the kind of hole you’re diggin in
@@Carlinisalive 🤔I think Brian's was his grave
He's like a dog frantically digging for a bone when there is no bone.
Except, unlike the dog, Brian makes the claim that he already has found the bone.
Notice that he is so defensive he can't even admit his error when referencing "narrow religious background from the South." More evidence of his intellectual dishonesty.
Classic no true Scotsman fallacy. You're not like me or from my part of the world or background so you can't possibly understand things properly like wot I do.
Please explain the fallacy and how my criticism was an example of it.
Since I accused him of being (1) defensive and (2) intellectually dishonest please describe how the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy could apply to either of those concepts. Do you see that you've got a problem?
@@Mxxx-ii9buI tho k he was referring to Brian “you’re an ignorant southern Baptist, you can’t understand how civilized religious people think”.
He also said,”I’m not trying to dismiss you ENTIRELY “.
Watching Erika’s face got me through this call.
Brian: "You're a professional atheist."
Erika: 😬
How I interpreted Erikas face, like in many many occasions when other co-host share the show with Matt, is she was pretty uncomfortable how Matt was treating/buling/redicularizing intellectually this guy with any trace at all of compassion for him. I always have been an atheist and I recognize Matt is very intelligent, probably more than an average person, for sure more than myself, also I learned a bunch of interesting things listening to him about logic and how reason works, so all the credit for that, but man... this does not alter the in many occasion from some time now very disrespectful way he treats many theist persons in this show, not sure he realize he treats with people with feelings, if you want to help other to realize he is not right, maybe not the best idea to not allow him to say literally 5 words straight, interrupting him continuously from the start and taking it as a personal attack when the other guy try to say something without being interrupted, demanding him to answer the exact question in the absolutely exact way he wants word by word like the other guy is a robot and not a human been, and usually take personally many comments like he made clearly here about his origins, clearly in this call, man.... seems he thinks he treats with "logical-robots", but he treats with persons. Honestly I see a night and day difference with the very old shows, where in my opinion he did a much better job than now in respect how he treated the theist callers. I am sure if he was in the other side of the line and some show host treated him like he treat now many theist he will not like it at all.... Honestly I think Erika´s face was clearly of total discomfort of how Matt was buling this guy mercilessly, like she was thinking "maybe doing this to him is not the best way to make him realize he is wrong...just maybe..."
If you watch the show and call in, you should have an idea of who your opponent is going to be. If I called in today, I have a pretty good idea of how Matt will be because he does it live on the internet frequently.
@@Murdacat maybe this guy only heard Matt a couple of times and did not have a real knowledge that for many years now he will behave like this. But even if he knew, at least my point is this is not an excuse to the way he treats the main part of theist that call in with very little empathy and consideration, in my point of view to be wrong thinking that there is a god without any evidence and trying to look for excuses to probe it (yes always without success of course) is not reason to treat them that way, even more when the show ask people to call them to do that!!. As said I am totally in line with Matt’s reasoning and intellectually I could say I learned a lot listening to him, but man I’m not in line to that way to treat people, is not the first time I stopped watching his videos sick of how he trashes people that clearly are honest with what they think, they are just wrong, in many cases not very well educated and just humans that follow their feelings more than the reason as we men did for millions of years and is ingrained in our brain by evolution, this is not excuse to trash them this way. I would bet my money that if he calls a politic show, for example, and the host with an opposite position treats him like he does he will also hang up probably without even considering if what the host said was in some sense logical and maybe right.
@@papolo2001if you are going to call into a show wih Matt hosting you should be aware that you need to be able to debate honestly. Do not fault Matt for getting irrate at people who who call in who have no idea of what they are talking about, act childishly or argue dishonestly. The show was,created to present discourse and debate over theism and atheism. He asks direct and purposeful questions to get to the heart of the matter for the sake of viewers. When the caller purposefully undermines the show he gets justly irrate.
Sorry, I cant stand the shows where the hosts dance around the issues trying to be nice to callers and let them make all kinds of insane claims openly on the show as if they are valid.
It reminds me of the show where Valkai took a call from someone whose pronouns were claimed to be 'attack helicopter'. Forrest never got to the theistic claim. He tore that Ahole apart for his bogotry. Letting a caller be dishonest at any point betrays the show. Matt is completely just.
I'm a Canadian atheist. All you guys are from the south.😆
I'm an American
[here comes the twist]
Most Canadians live south of me
Looks at a map.
My god it's true! /S
I'm from Brazil
You say I'm from the south, but I'm in Europe, so, I'm north? And in particular, Ireland, so I'm East of you, but in the West of Europe... where the feck am I??
@@BaronVonQuiplyAlaska?
Concrete pieces of advice "dont pee in the wind"
"Never eat yellow snow."
@TheDeath138 but yellow snow has such a familiar flavour. It's something you can't quite pinpoint but it seems to be so known, as if its something you have known everyday of your life.
Anyway snow cone time!!!😉😁
Now if I could only think of what that taste is
How do believers take a shower?
They pee against the wind.
@@herbieshine1312
Manna from Heaven I think.
"You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim" 🙂
Nothing like an ignorant caller to come in with nothing about assumptions about people and speaking in generalities. This guy has issues upon issues.
“I don’t think you’ve thought about it enough.”
*immediately proves he hasn’t thought about it enough.
My jaws dropped with what the caller began to ask Matt to say that Christianity had benefits and that the hosts of the show don’t truly study religion “Matt you grew up in a specific region with a specific Christian sect right? The south?” You ignoramus smug jerk, you really went to “well because your form this area which is so unenlightened, so outta the norm, so not what true Christian’s believe, this specific sect had it wrong and hence put the host on the wrong path.” Way to show off your bias towards an entire region.
Brian did you know that the South while sharing Many core aspects either each other, is actually a quite diverse region with multiple denominations of many religions, different politics, and different ethnic backgrounds? Or were you too willing to judge everyone? Whoose to say YOUR upbringing wasn’t wrong and too limiting?
Weird capitalizations... Word salad... That's typical Southern claptrap dressed up as logic. What were you trying to say? That people in the South of the US live in states with NO education? That they vote for people who keep them down because they think it hurts dark races more than them??? Yea... Like that. People who live in glass houses should sit down and be quiet.
He had not finished half that sentence and my brain was already warning that a no true scotsman fallacy was coming up. I bet Matt saw it coming after three words.
@@landsgevaer yep. and it plays into the tired portrayal of the "dumb, naive southerner." This ignores the actual story of a southern culture having different aspects and multiple religions. Actually it flat ignores the fact that every religion has a different sect and people may deviate from that. Why would the caller assume that he grew up "right?"
In fairness, the south seems like total garbage. If it wasn’t part of the greater United States, dragged screaming towards every bit of moral progress we’ve made in 400 years, it would almost certainly be a third world theocracy with legal slavery.
Sure, there are plenty of decent people there, just apparently never the majority.
The thing is that people like Brian DONT change their mind when presented with evidence so thats why he assumes Matt wont.....
I find that true of most theists
Yeah. Projection is one of their bedrocks.
Calls into a show about religion, asks hosts if they've considered exploring religion. Afterwards he went to Barnes & Noble and asked if they've heard of books. Doing the lord's work.
seriously, THANK YOU for calling out that snide comment about you being from the south. i don't care much for anti-southern bias
The American south may be one of the dumbest , most ignorant places on the planet .
If Brian had put a fraction of the effort he put into sounding gentlemanly, affable and civilized into speaking honestly and opening his mind to the possibility he was mistaken in his entrenched beliefs, this would have been a more productive exchange. Brian is all packaging and no contents.
All hat and no cattle. 🤠
That was ruff lol
Brian is a Minnesotan. We believe in being polite, kind and patient. It can be difficult for some Minnesotans to engage with bullies like Matt. I'd have very quickly asked if, at some point, I was going to be allowed to answer in full, or if Matt just intended to win his argument by constantly interrupting me and making bad faith minimizations and over simplifications of what I was saying in order to argue against someone that wasn't even a part of our conversation.
I believe it's called Straw Manning, but I've never been one to brush up much on formal debate practices so I might be getting that wrong.
I can definitely call a bully when I see one though!
@ Are you also going to make this comment stand on its own or are you just keeping it buried in the replies?
@@waynedexter I'm not sure if you're talking to me, but given the length of my reply here I'm going to assume so.
I wrote up a comment in direct response to the video already, this was just me responding to a few other people directly to engage on different points.
I'm fairly certain any comment I make will be buried within the comments that have already been made, but I welcome any discussion on my points.
It really grinds my gears when one of Chritianity's main arguments for their belief system is how old it is! There are non-religious texts way older so this makes age redundant!
Yet you probably only hate Christianity? There are religious texts, do they go back to Adam and Eve? Stupid, the new smart.
What do you mean nonreligious texts? Most religions, except Islam, are way older than Christianity.
Damn, I'm a Jewish atheist, and if there were copyright laws back then my ancestors could have sued their butts off.
@sthed6832 Xenophanes of Colophone....but really, just Google.
@@steveboone7390 I was being too subtle. I meant that most religious texts are older than Christianity, duh. Christianity is the new myth on the block.
Brian, you aren't dumb. You're simply refusing to think. And i dont know why youd want to do that
As someone called Brian, I am squirming here, and so embarrassed for my namesake 🤭
"You're all individuals." -- Brian of Nazareth
@@loki6626 "Yes we're all individuals" - responding to Brian😅
Exploring religion is what made me an atheist.
Same-found out that there was no “there” there.
Through yoga I discovered the Divine Goddess ❤️
through car mechanics i found The Cult of the V8!! WHITNES MEEEE!!*oops dropped my chrome. bends over lets one rip*👉👈
For me, this is a good example of what I might characterize as the "sincere" theist who just doesn't seem to have ever encountered the arguments against the existence of god or the supernatural. They seem to be operating from an honest belief that their faith is "good" but are encountering for the very first time the arguments that the supernatural foundations upon which the edifice of their faith is built, are not actually reasonable, justifiable, or even true.
I am reminded of the classic Hitch quip that went something like: "I'm sorry, but you give every impression of someone who's never encountered even one of the numerous and valid arguments against your position."
At the end of the day Brian seems to be saying aspects of Christianity are "useful" while not understanding this says NOTHING about whether it's supernatural claims are true...and it ignores the fact that any thinking homo sapiens could arrive at the same "useful" advice without holding any conception of god. Brian might as well have suggested that he knows Christianity is true because it recommends against sticking one's hand in a fire or recommends against consuming poison. The point being that ANY AND EVERY human being can arrive at such banal conclusions in the COMPLETE absence of any appeal to god or the supernatural.
Why even bother with listing the benefits? I forget the name of the fallacy, but it's just counting the hits and ignoring the misses.
I could list the pros of say, doing heroin, but that doesn't mean it's without cons. Nor does a handful of benefits imply that heroin is something anyone should get involved with, over say, NOT doing heroin.
America is the number 1 joke of the world ! 😂😂😂 continue to provide us with entrainment ! this is a reality check in your little bubble ! please share !🇦🇺
Think you mean sharpshooter fallacy.
It's the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy (also typically just taking credit for things they fought against)
Now for H, here's the funny thing.... you're not likely to find a better cough suppressant or fever reducer. Also if you've ever taken codeine you've had the same molecule hit your brain (M, they both turn into M although H can metabolize to a small amount of 6MAM (H is 3,6,Di-acetly-M). I'm not advocating for it, but I do think it's banned purely because it was the first semisynthetic and if they had any idea what else was to follow they'd have felt more than a little foolish by overreacting. See also: Diamorphine in Britain. The patients typically don't have a clue it's pharma grade H
Thanks Vocalist, and thanks Baron, that is super interesting
@@2beers007are you drunk? Well that is the Australian flag in your comment, so I'm guessing the answer is yes LOL
I am uncomfortable on Brian's behalf.
This was some of the most painful discourse I've seen in a long time.
Presumably this guy also thinks "clean your room" is a deep philosophical insight.
Brian thinks that precaution and preparation is evidence for christianity, yet he shows up in this call entirely uncautiously and unprepared.
14:12 [Fake Scottish Accent] _"We called him Mother Superior on account of the length of his habit"_
Complete tangent, but the word Superior brought that line up and I thought I'd reference something less harmful than religion
Brian was totally unprepared to have this conversation
24:20 "You might not be as open to it as some other people would..." Bryan. Matt was literally the one who asked you this question. What makes you think he won't be open to it? He's the one that brought it up! The level of intellectual dishonesty here... oh my gosh
It's because he ignores clear evidence himself, so he's expecting Matt to do the same
@tommycreugers2341 Sounds about right
2:40 Brian just pivoted so hard he gave me whiplash. That wasn't even in the same ballpark as the question that was just asked
Brian bought a knife to a gun fight
I think he brought a soup to a fun fight…
Rubber knife!
Rubber knife!
More like he brought a twig to a flamethrower fight.
More accurately he bought a wet paper towel to a gun fight.
Brian just can't stop being insulting. It's his fall back position when cornered
I appreciate a good insult when it's well thrown.
Dorothy Parker made a good career out of it. Drank herself to death, mind you. No, I don't know that, but it sounds good. Could be true.
But every one of Brian's insults backfires spectacularly on him. With every single offer, he takes himself down a notch.
I'm sure that this is a big piece of why Matt so clearly enjoys the Dialectical form. From the outset he tells us, hey, this is not my first rodeo. But start with your best shot, and we'll go from there.
And poor Brian, maybe these WERE his best shots. But among people who understand the various forms of debate, word is that if you START OUT by sprinkling in a little Ad Hominem or Strawman fallacy to do the heavy lifting for you, it's not going to end well.
Ad Hominem is an attempt to dress up a desperate concession of failure in the form of calling someone a poo head.
A very, very standard tactic.
There are benefits of being part of the in-group... and therefor Goawd!!! How do people think this kind of argument is meaningful?
It's well known that non-Christians and especially atheists don't see danger ahead and drive straight into oncoming traffic all the time.
I feel bad for Brian. He clearly wasn't ready for this. I'm surprised he held out as long as he did
Paraphrasing: “I thought you would be more gullible “ . 😂 this poor guy ran into a buzz saw 😂
Yeah, it's sort of a recurring theme that the callers basic response is, "Wait, wait. You're saying different things than other Christians do when we discuss this thing!"
Dude had a script and could not deviate
Because they can't think for themselves.
Comment at 9:40: This is so typical of far too many of my fellow theists. It seems to me that Brian went into this with the arrogant assumption that the whole reason you don't already see this from his point of view must be that you haven't heard his point of view before. Because they can't imagine a scenario in which someone might find their own "personal take" on these matters unconvincing. After all, it convinces them!
I'm from the South and I would absolutely argue that people down here have even less of an understanding of their religion than elsewhere.
People seem to be happy to go to church every sunday, sing and clap their hands like an idiot, parrot things their pastor has said, and yet never actually take the time to read the the damn book they're following.
The ignorance down here is absolutely wild.
I'm from Italy and from north to south most believers do exactly the same.
It's true that different zones have different amount of believers, but other than that, when you put christians together from anywhere, they are not really different from each other.
I don't see better arguments coming from specific places as well :)
Holy crap I found Matt on Facebook doing Athiest Experience Broadcasts 15 years ago. Shoutout to Matt - you have been extremely influential in my logical development. Deconverting is a very emotionally difficult thing to do, and I felt like Matt was there to hold my hand. I'm glad hes still doing his thing! Love ya Matt!
So, fools rush toward trouble & suffer for it. As a veteran, I'm glad fools exist, they've certainly saved a lot of lives that god has not. I guess in that idiot's world only fools deserve a Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour.
Thank you for being gentle but stern with him and walking him through everything ❤
The god of cancer is forever silent and invisible. 😢
also motor neurone disease.........i dont know how religious people explain that...
It still blows me away how these folks call up less knowledgeable than Matt on their own book but think we’re just waiting to be enlightened by them. Unreal.
Was a Christian for over 50 years until I found reason and logic
@@xxlionroarxxxxxxxx4438 you lived that long without reason or logic? How did you recognize it when you found it?
24:10 I'm in tears. This is comedy heaven. Brian is so lost and Matt is like "WTF is going on."
Brian, a man who has beliefs which he can't / won't defend, accusing another of being closed-minded is a bit rich.
I am a Dutch atheist and I am so glad that atheist people like you defending their position to believers that believing nonsense; I am a huge fan of your show, well done, outstanding
When Theists say there is lots of evidence for God, but it doesn't prove God's existence, they are conceding that there is insufficient evidence to believe in God. They are conceding that the atheist is rationally justified in not believing. So why not just go believe and be happy and leave us the heck alone.
It’s called fight or flight. Staying out of trouble is how we survived so long. Thanks Mother Nature.
Dang Matt ran rings around him. I’d love to hear his elevator pitch, I bet it’s the biggest fattest appeal to emotion anyone’s ever heard, Ray Comfort style
The fact gets so flustered and flabbergasted when ever he’s asked “but is it true?”
Like dude… no one’s ACTUALLY going to torture you for ever if you’re honest..right?
The whole 'proverbs thing' he brought up is silly. The verse is clearly descriptive, not prescriptive. It says The wise man sees danger coming and gets out of the way, so even in the verse itself, its clear that getting out of the way of danger is something people were already doing. The writer is describing a behaviour that they could see and identify in others, not issuing some divine wisdom that they had to be taught 😑
Not to mention it could be applied to avoiding religion.
@mmoreno7137 hahaha, so true 😁👍 Seems there's lots of scriptures in the bible they should take the advice of.. "Now I've become a man it's time to put away childish things".. like invisible imaginary friends who do magic, for instance..
brian is a major league obfuscator
I miss the days when people would call in and say they were gonna punch matt in the face lol
Trying to compare the number of people who die from smoking and not wearing a seatbelt with sky diving is asinine. 8 million from smoking, 1.35 million from car crashes - Sky Diving = 10, not million, just 10. This guy is sheltered in his world view.
When I was a fundamentalist, I would have probably hated arguments like Brian's even more than I do now, because he's so wishy-washy on the supremacy of Christianity. I'd have said he's definitely "depart from me for I never knew you" material.
9:21 I'm doing dishes and glanced over and could have sworn Erika was hitting a blunt. She was not lol. She's taking a sip of water. I need to get my eyes checked lol
Man paused like he was a seller on QVC
Comparing the societal benefits of religion to science is like comparing the emotional impact of literature to mathematics.
They both have uses but apply to different aspects of life and nature
The 27:09 cringe made this entire silliness worthwhile. Poor Brian - I kinda felt for him .
I loved Erica’s reaction at that moment too 😂. Edit: Erika
"you might not be as open minded to an elevator pitch as someone in an elevator" - THIS NEEDS TO BE ON A T-SHIRT
Sciend didn't make me a sandwich. Therefore, god is the most realistic real. Also, pie. I like pie and God did that, because I assert it.
I would never discuss
what my favourite food is!!!!!!!!
It always cause a
fight😂
Always assert your dessert.
whenever they mention the christian values, the stuff they bring up is not a value or not exclusively christian.
Poor Brian, he just hasn't a clue
Thats why he is where he is and believes what he does.
@19:10 “I dont necessarily think that any individual thing in the Bible is uniquely valuable” WOAH!!! So after being asked to provide something uniquely valuable for his argument of the Bible being uniquely valuable, HE ADMITS there’s nothing in the Bible that is uniquely valuable!!! That’s a hell of an admission and should shake his faith to the foundation! This was an amazing moment in this episode
The network has existed for a few years. Judaism+Christianism+Islam have ben around for respectively 3500/2000/1400 years (give and take). How can Brian pretend christianity has not been explored?
Well, he has a small brain....
It is absolutely astounding that he didn’t know whether Genesis or Proverbs came first in the Bible. Like. how does one call in and think that one knows anything about this subject if you don’t even know that?
Brian, we have no way to investigate this thing you call God.
Therefore we have no justification for believing that it exists.
Its as simple as that.
Even if Matt were the most professional atheist who ever lived, why is that a problem? Why is it ok for clergymen to be paid professionals?
Skydiving is very fun and not that dangerous.
You're just irrationally scared of it, Brian.
Fear of skydiving, like fear of sharks, is a RATIONAL fear.
@@dennish.7708 Fear of *heights* is rational.
Skydiving is just exposure therapy for a fear of heights. Really, really aggressive exposure therapy.
If I had to spend 20 years asking questions like "What makes Christianity unique" or ""What knowledge is unique to the bible and could not be understood without it" and never receiving a single answer, I would fly off the handle occasionally. What I don't think is that I would be able to keep my patience long enough to ask the question more than once without receiving an answer, or immediately hanging up the call.
Since I believe science is the creation of the Creator, they will never contradict each other. However, science contradicts the bible well over 30K times according to biblical scholars. An ordinary person, like me, found over 1K but it took quite a while to develop since I wanted to also write papers on each problem I found (which I still have on harddrive.) Wisdom is not exclusively owned by "religious" people. The babble also says (Paul) when I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man (is it okay, people, to interject at least mentally "woman?"), I put away childish things.... you get the point? lol
I thought women couldnt really think at all.. according to the bible on women in general. They are property.. nothing more. If they are let go.. They have nowhere safe to go.
You’re almost there, just let go of this ‘Creator’ idea …
@ lol. I understand but there’s more. I’m open either way I know is hard for others to believe. This message was meant for dennish.7708.
I love that you politely call them out on their behavior and hold them accountable and still give them another chance to do better. It's like working with a small child.
If you need an old book to tell you to look out for danger, how have you made it to adulthood?
Oh man, the voicemail bit toward the end just about killed me, it was so damn funny! I've never heard that sort of thing happen before on one of these call-in shows 🤣
I wouldn’t become a believer with that quote from Proverbs, but I would convert instantly if it were written “Wise men don’t walk around with the shoelaces untied, but the fool will disregard the advice and trip and fall until his face is no more.”
Uluru is 500 million years old, and has been spiritually significant for 40,000+ years. Brian's argument from antiquity needs to accommodate the beliefs of the Anunga people. He needs to give up his upstart religion immediately.
One of the most annoying issues with Christianity pushers like Brian is that he knows *NOTHING* about other world religions yet wants to claim that Christianity is super special and unique. For example, he says it’s “old” and therefore valuable yet as usual knows not one thing about older religions still prominent in the world such as Hinduism etc. What a waste…
These long pauses after a question
Are cool
11:33 Well, cheese DOES give me values and a moral standing. I stand for cheese! .... Sorry, I could not resist that. I do love cheese! 🙃
When cog wheels grind so slowly they almost rust in place.
"hope for the best, expect the worst"
A Shinto proverb.
Does that make Shintoism true, brian?
It had the exact same meaning as the Proverbs passage
8:10 "I'm not sure what to say to that."
What, that completely open and candid question about the value of Christianity if it's not necessarily true, and all its benefits are available elsewhere, through secular means, for example.
If you can't answer such a basic question, why present Christianity as if it has a particular value at all?
There's really not much left to bid for, especially if you concede that you have no evidence to support any of this.
At that rate, it's on a par with my Magic Hat. You know, the invisible one that gives me Secret Powers? Hey, this con has sold books. Don't knock it. A lot of people believe this stuff.
That line from Proverbs perfectly described the caller. a fool who walked toward a battle that he would suffer for.
I’m not going to make an elevator pitch…because…we’re not in an elevator…
He doesn't look for people who are open minded. He's looking for gullible people who just buy his stuff. Just like a snake-oil salesman.
😂😂Matt Funny AF asking the question on the voicemail 😂 I fell out and burst into laughter! 😫😭