Don’t censor books. I’m black but I don’t care if it’s fucking “Mein Kampf”. Edit: Words are words. Let’s examine the classics for what they are and learn and grow from them :)
The fact that people are even debating whether this is racist or not shows just how far critical thinking has plummeted in our society recently. My black middle school English teacher who picked it specifically because of how it addressed racism must be face-palming so hard now.
Huckleberry Finn isn’t racist; at the time it was written, it was, and still is, a story between the unlikely friendship between a white boy and a black man. It is a classic for a reason. It shouldn’t be changed one bit.
Literature is supposed to challenge your point of view: if it doesn't then it only serves the purpose of entertainment which is not what it was meant to be...entirely. Books are supposed to shock you and make you think in ways you never thought of before. Using the "n" word in Huck-Finn was a reality of the time that Mark Twain wrote the book in and is necessary to understand that era. If you try to forget history, you are bound to repeat it.
Patrick .R in one hundred years people will look back at us now and ridicule parts of our normal mentality or the social morality of today. You are right in your point.
well yes it is, but it’s important to keep it as a window into the past and how the world has changed. Yes it is racist, but no you shouldn’t replace every n word with “slave” because that’s just not how it was written
The book its self isn't racist, the story is about racism, just like when Rogan said nigger Jim, that cant be racist as well, he is just saying what was written in the book, or if you're listening to a rap song and you sing along with all the lyrics...ppl need to understand what the actual meaning of racism/racist is, and saying nigger or reading it can't be racist according to the actual definition
I was so dissapointed when I found out I read the nerfed version of huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. Pretty much lost trust in the educational system. I'd rather have read it where I can clearly see what has been censored(blacked out) and paraphrased with brackets than totally change the narrative. Wow. I still can't get over it. It was the first books I read myself.
One of the big problems with our culture now is that nuance is lost. Context is important. Huck fin is an anti racist story and it uses the n word to really show the racism of the time. We read the uncensored version in my high school, but kids weren't dropping the n bomb in class while we discussed it. Our teacher intentionally picked specific parts of the book that we would read aloud in class and she made sure that no one had to say it in front of everyone. We all got the point. That word was used a lot back then. But that doesn't mean that it's ok now. We need to learn history so that we don't repeat it. And to all the right wingers that like to say that about confederate statues, a statue is a symbol of honor. The confederates do not deserve to be shown in a positive way by having statues that glorify them. Leave huck fin uncensored and tear down the confederate statues.
7:25 Br'er = a contraction of "brother", ... prob'ly (I've seen it in something written by Theodore Roosevelt, altho' I don't recall where immediately...)
Timberhawk Thank you! I knew someone would have said this first. Also, the Uncle Remus stories sound horribly racist to modern people, but they were written in vernacular and were a record of early American oral slave folk tales.
The uncle Remus stories that Song of the South was based on were written as an attempt to prevent the African culture from vanishing during reconstruction as the blacks were assimilated into American culture. It's a great irony that 100 years later SJWs managed to kill it off entirely by calling it racist.
Alex M Maybe, but it’s also common in fables-Aesop’s Fables, Beatrix Potter, etc. it could just be that talking animals make for good moralizing stories.
Not gonna lie. That was a pretty uncomfortable moment in my very mixed English class. That in itself isn’t bad tho. Better to learn to handle that type of situation in a controlled environment.
Mark Twain would. I think, be considered more of a monologist, (a person who tells longer form humorous stories/anecdotes), as opposed to the more modern stand-up style of setting up a punchline. Joe may remember that there were still monologists in the fifties and sixties,such as, Sam Levinson, Myron Cohen and even Andy Griffith. BTW, Brer is dialect for brother.
People should read up on this before commenting, the book was banned in several places throughout history and still is in certain areas, sanitizing means that people actually read it and don't ban it.
Huckleberry Finn actually humanized black slaves and is the opposite of racist! Just because he used language that was accurate for the time in no way makes it racist.
Omg he really said the n woooorddd....this is it...this is what the media was waiting foooor...now they csn call joe a racist man,i like joe, but now the media is gonna go for iiiit
If Song of the South remains so racist. Why not films portraying American Indians in Westerns taken of the shelf's then? Or the brutal portrayal of Asians in films like Breakfast at Tiffany's? Just odd certain movies are treated differently than others. Based on who and what is portrayed.
If I recall doesn't huckleberry finn start calling him just Jim by the end of the book? The whole point was he stopped seeing jim as a black guy and started seeing him as a friend.
Mark Twain did nothing but challenge racists and their disgusting views. If you think Huckleberry Finn is racist you aren't reading deep enough, go back and reread it.
It reflects what the time was like in that time period. To pretend it never happened is foolish. Maybe 100 years from now we will ask the same questions about rap music. Both are forms of expression that the author has the freedom to do so as he/she wishes.
I used to work for a book company that distributed Enid Blyton childrens novels. Due to political correctness we had to have our entire stock reprinted to remove any reference to Golliwogs. Not long after they had to be reprinted again at great expense because some people took objection to the character names Dick and Fanny resulting in them having to be changed to Rick and Frannie...
Why no discussion of super white Africans? For example, Charleze Theron, the famous African-American actress. Born and raised in South Africa, immigrated to and became naturalized in the US, she is a true African-American.
I own Song of the South. Seen it multiple times. It's not racist. Uncle Remus is a beloved father figure to a little white boy whose actual father is a cold, affectionless man. It's actually quite sensitively done considering the times. Obviously it wasn't politically correct...because that wasn't a *thing* back then.
We try to water down everything nowadays mean while people get dumber everyday. Sometimes to know about a time you will be offended. But to deny or erase history and literature is so scary.
I saw song of the south when I was a kid so maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but for its time it wasn't racist it was an all black cast just living their life in the south singing songs...I vaguely remember my parents explaining what a stereotypes is after so maybe halfway through they realized by 90's standards it was racist
the story of huckleberry Finn was supposed to fend off racism in fact one of the famous lines in the book is: just because it was made right dont make it right huck!!and then at the end of it huckleberry and Jim were best friends and loved each other coming to a good resolution as a matter of fact jim is one of the non-fiction characters that he put in all his books who was a runaway slave that he would barbecue with.all of these 'woke people are known to make up stories and surprise surprise they had to make it relevant ,that just doesn't have to happen but no mark twain wasn't racist and huckleberry isn't racist he's a kid who knows not to judge and learns not to judge!!
No! Huck spoke the language of his time and place as a southern white boy.and yes hannibal mo.starts the south as i live here and the real mason dixon line is in the mississippi river..
I grew up reading uncle Remus story's. The live action reading if you can find it on utube will help you understand how racist it was. "Brier bear he lay".
Good book. Read it when I was young. Along with Tom Sawyer, etc. I remember loving Tom Sawyer Abroad. The Elijah Wood/Courtney Vance movie of Huck Finn was good too 👍
Let someone call the Holocaust "The Involuntary Time Out Period for Jews",all hell would break loose. Words do have power. These intellectuals just seem too lazy to start the bigger discussion about why these thoughts were common. I hope that makes sense..🤷♀️
I saw this movie when I was a kid. I'm African American and Native American and the controversy of song of South from the Disney 1946 movie is Brer Rabbit / Brer Fox / @ Brer Bear is that there animated in traditional Disney version speaking in controversial Southern Black Slang of so called illiterate of a black person with no education making fun of black people only using animals with speaking parts and misconception that all black people talk like that and tar baby was that some people of white society not all thought that blacks look like tar and tar is black in color . Besides the word Nigger in Huck Finn / Remember Twain made racially offensive to Native Americans in Tom Sawyer Injun Joe / Stereotyped Native Americans of being bad thieves and villains and murderers. I'm surprised they haven't attack that book as well. Besides Nigger / they called blacks Darkies / Spooks / Sambo / Jigaboo [ don't even know to this day what that means ,jig Alabama Porch Monkey , Monkeys , Boy , Colored, Spade Stereotypes of eating Fried Chicken , / watermelon, look at uncensored 11 cartoons and banned cartoons from mgm @ Warner Bros but Warner Bros put a disclaimer on all the banned Popeye and Looney tune Cartoons on all DVD releases saying that these cartoons were original made like this and we today do not allow this inappropriate . And offensive behavior and these cartoons reflected the dark past of of American Society . They made fun of not only blacks, Indians from India , Middle Easterns, Native Americans and Asians Chinese but Mainly The Japanese because of World War 2..
Yes very. Burn it. And any books with suggestive themes or offensive language. Any book or story that may be deemed offensive should be burned! Maybe make a group of firefighters to help with this process.
This is Book RASISM and i dont believe that authors should be writing these RASICT things nowadays nowing that people will get mad. They are just trying to gain publicity by writing about aggressive public situations. SHAME on TWAIN --> he should write about more socialized public topics
This is amusing and alarming at the same time. It's a sanitation of language. In this case, the professor fears the word will limit readers exposure to the book. The professor has good intentions, but in the end he is misguided. On a tangent, Netflix engages in this sanitizing every once in a while. A blaxploitation film called "Boss Nigger" is/was on their stream and DVD catalog as "Boss." That's the only thing they changed. Everything else was left intact, including the theme song which can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/qyPhsFxnc_c/v-deo.html and contains the word nigger in it more than most rap songs. This was a film written, produced and directed by Fred Williamson who starred in the titular role. By the way, he is black.
Don’t censor books. I’m black but I don’t care if it’s fucking “Mein Kampf”.
Edit: Words are words. Let’s examine the classics for what they are and learn and grow from them :)
Yes and also Huck Finn is made to represent how awful slavery and racism are to human beings and people still censor that masterpiece..
Censord and don’t learn from mistake in human history 😂
The fact that people are even debating whether this is racist or not shows just how far critical thinking has plummeted in our society recently. My black middle school English teacher who picked it specifically because of how it addressed racism must be face-palming so hard now.
Huckleberry Finn isn’t racist; at the time it was written, it was, and still is, a story between the unlikely friendship between a white boy and a black man. It is a classic for a reason. It shouldn’t be changed one bit.
Literature is supposed to challenge your point of view: if it doesn't then it only serves the purpose of entertainment which is not what it was meant to be...entirely. Books are supposed to shock you and make you think in ways you never thought of before. Using the "n" word in Huck-Finn was a reality of the time that Mark Twain wrote the book in and is necessary to understand that era. If you try to forget history, you are bound to repeat it.
Huck-Finn is my nigga son.
Patrick .R in one hundred years people will look back at us now and ridicule parts of our normal mentality or the social morality of today. You are right in your point.
chris m They better.
Id argue our current culture is already a repeat, when will we learn?
Solid, thoughtful reply. I concur.
No. Next question.
Bingo
NZAnimeManga lol. Best comment. Needs more likes.
well yes it is, but it’s important to keep it as a window into the past and how the world has changed. Yes it is racist, but no you shouldn’t replace every n word with “slave” because that’s just not how it was written
No it's not. The moral of the book is that racism is bad. In fact, it's probably the best anti-racism literature ever written.
The book its self isn't racist, the story is about racism, just like when Rogan said nigger Jim, that cant be racist as well, he is just saying what was written in the book, or if you're listening to a rap song and you sing along with all the lyrics...ppl need to understand what the actual meaning of racism/racist is, and saying nigger or reading it can't be racist according to the actual definition
Fahrenheit 451 is our future.
and the irony is the future left will have banned F451 in the F451 future...
No. We’re acknowledging how racism and slavery impacted almost everything in American culture. Y’all whites hate seeing the truth lol
@@FuccYew you’re the issue. “Y’all whites” is not a way to connect humans. It tears them apart. That’s the real race issue
@@matthewhooge8965 💯
Pulp Fiction uses it at least 50 times..
Quentin gets an N word pass.
Don’t know why but it true
“Did you see a sign in front of my house that said Dead _______Storage ?”
Huckleberry Finn is not racist, and the first stand-ups were court Jesters.
first stand-up was the voice narrating Genesis 1:1... (If that ever happened?)
No words should be off limits. Intentions are what matter, not words.
Joe "let's make this conversation about stand-up" Rogan
I was so dissapointed when I found out I read the nerfed version of huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. Pretty much lost trust in the educational system. I'd rather have read it where I can clearly see what has been censored(blacked out) and paraphrased with brackets than totally change the narrative. Wow. I still can't get over it. It was the first books I read myself.
One of the big problems with our culture now is that nuance is lost. Context is important. Huck fin is an anti racist story and it uses the n word to really show the racism of the time.
We read the uncensored version in my high school, but kids weren't dropping the n bomb in class while we discussed it. Our teacher intentionally picked specific parts of the book that we would read aloud in class and she made sure that no one had to say it in front of everyone. We all got the point. That word was used a lot back then. But that doesn't mean that it's ok now.
We need to learn history so that we don't repeat it. And to all the right wingers that like to say that about confederate statues, a statue is a symbol of honor. The confederates do not deserve to be shown in a positive way by having statues that glorify them.
Leave huck fin uncensored and tear down the confederate statues.
Also westerns were popular to make because they were cheap and you could reuse the sets.
Song of South is a movie and it’s ridiculous that you feel that you must erase history
A shame since the animation work is top notch.
They edit Mark Twain but not every rap album ever
7:25 Br'er = a contraction of "brother", ... prob'ly
(I've seen it in something written by Theodore Roosevelt, altho' I don't recall where immediately...)
Timberhawk Thank you! I knew someone would have said this first. Also, the Uncle Remus stories sound horribly racist to modern people, but they were written in vernacular and were a record of early American oral slave folk tales.
The uncle Remus stories that Song of the South was based on were written as an attempt to prevent the African culture from vanishing during reconstruction as the blacks were assimilated into American culture. It's a great irony that 100 years later SJWs managed to kill it off entirely by calling it racist.
Alex M Maybe, but it’s also common in fables-Aesop’s Fables, Beatrix Potter, etc. it could just be that talking animals make for good moralizing stories.
Not gonna lie. That was a pretty uncomfortable moment in my very mixed English class. That in itself isn’t bad tho. Better to learn to handle that type of situation in a controlled environment.
I'm also black and Twain was anything but racist. Jim was portrayed as a man not a slave think about it.
Mark Twain would. I think, be considered more of a monologist, (a person who tells longer form humorous stories/anecdotes), as opposed to the more modern stand-up style of setting up a punchline. Joe may remember that there were still monologists in the fifties and sixties,such as, Sam Levinson, Myron Cohen and even Andy Griffith. BTW, Brer is dialect for brother.
2:36 Woodley isn't ever coming on Joe's podcast again
I did a plank contest with my parents who are both in their 50’s and I fell first. Horrible upper body strength.
Judge Dredd interesting
Joe "Cliff Notes" Rogan
Tom papa looks like a non sinister kevin spacey
People should read up on this before commenting, the book was banned in several places throughout history and still is in certain areas, sanitizing means that people actually read it and don't ban it.
Nigga has such a different meaning now through modern culture it's become a term of endearment in some ways.Context is everything though.
Nigga please
What's up my nigga!
"Br'er Rabbit" = "Brother Rabbit", etc.
@Thom Stoops en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%27er_Rabbit
they are right tell the story accurately no sanitizing
I wont read a copy if his name is just Jim.
Huckleberry Finn actually humanized black slaves and is the opposite of racist! Just because he used language that was accurate for the time in no way makes it racist.
I actually have an original copy of song of the south 😂 Disney was racist as fuck smh
Omg he really said the n woooorddd....this is it...this is what the media was waiting foooor...now they csn call joe a racist man,i like joe, but now the media is gonna go for iiiit
dark ness hes said it before
dark ness he’s said it tons before. In context of coarse
No. This isn't daytime network television.
dark ness nah
In Canada we didn’t even have the option of reading the original huckleberry Finn in school lol even as far back as the early 2000s
I read this in elementary school and it was edited back then here in California. That was in the mid 90s.
I read it back in high school, about 7 years ago. Im in Newfoundland.
If Song of the South remains so racist. Why not films portraying American Indians in Westerns taken of the shelf's then? Or the brutal portrayal of Asians in films like Breakfast at Tiffany's?
Just odd certain movies are treated differently than others. Based on who and what is portrayed.
i tried but could not read Huck finn, I never cared for the wording at all, the only point was he tried to depict how they really spoke back then
If I recall doesn't huckleberry finn start calling him just Jim by the end of the book? The whole point was he stopped seeing jim as a black guy and started seeing him as a friend.
Mark Twain did nothing but challenge racists and their disgusting views. If you think Huckleberry Finn is racist you aren't reading deep enough, go back and reread it.
Happened 100 years ago - its 'fresh' lol
Joe "Mark Twain wrote a private book while on psilocybin that included no racism" Rogan
ChuckleKnuckles lol. "Twain rode splash mountain after his dmt peaked"
ToeBean Addiction terrific
ChuckleKnuckle stupid comment
1:34 Everyone say "Woow"
It reflects what the time was like in that time period. To pretend it never happened is foolish. Maybe 100 years from now we will ask the same questions about rap music. Both are forms of expression that the author has the freedom to do so as he/she wishes.
I used to work for a book company that distributed Enid Blyton childrens novels. Due to political correctness we had to have our entire stock reprinted to remove any reference to Golliwogs. Not long after they had to be reprinted again at great expense because some people took objection to the character names Dick and Fanny resulting in them having to be changed to Rick and Frannie...
Jesus Jamie, just tell Tom when Twain lived!
Why no discussion of super white Africans?
For example, Charleze Theron, the famous African-American actress. Born and raised in South Africa, immigrated to and became naturalized in the US, she is a true African-American.
I own Song of the South. Seen it multiple times. It's not racist. Uncle Remus is a beloved father figure to a little white boy whose actual father is a cold, affectionless man. It's actually quite sensitively done considering the times. Obviously it wasn't politically correct...because that wasn't a *thing* back then.
I’m black but I don’t think they should remove things like that
Very soon just uttering the word ‘racist’ will mean your racist!
You can watch this movie on archive.org
We try to water down everything nowadays mean while people get dumber everyday. Sometimes to know about a time you will be offended. But to deny or erase history and literature is so scary.
So glad I'm mixed... Not because race matters to me, but because it matters to everybody else. I don't need to censor my words as much.
“Song of the South”.
I saw song of the south when I was a kid so maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but for its time it wasn't racist it was an all black cast just living their life in the south singing songs...I vaguely remember my parents explaining what a stereotypes is after so maybe halfway through they realized by 90's standards it was racist
Uncle Reemus is a slave singing about how great he has it ..kinda racist but still catchy
the story of huckleberry Finn was supposed to fend off racism in fact one of the famous lines in the book is: just because it was made right dont make it right huck!!and then at the end of it huckleberry and Jim were best friends and loved each other coming to a good resolution as a matter of fact jim is one of the non-fiction characters that he put in all his books who was a runaway slave that he would barbecue with.all of these 'woke people are known to make up stories and surprise surprise they had to make it relevant ,that just doesn't have to happen but no mark twain wasn't racist and huckleberry isn't racist he's a kid who knows not to judge and learns not to judge!!
ever heard of satire? ever actually read this book? goddamn it's a dumb question.
An shooter just got taken into custody at the DOJ in D.C.
I saw "The song of the south" in the theater in the early 80's
Joe Rogan just said I like looking at white people. Please people of this planet let that sink in.
No! Huck spoke the language of his time and place as a southern white boy.and yes hannibal mo.starts the south as i live here and the real mason dixon line is in the mississippi river..
The obvious answer to the title question is given in the first word of the clip.
Br'er is short for "brother" in old southern vernacular
I grew up reading uncle Remus story's. The live action reading if you can find it on utube will help you understand how racist it was. "Brier bear he lay".
JR with a righteous speech there. Pissed myself laughing at the end "That bitch is as white as fuck"
i find this guest's personality kinda cringy. Just pause on like any frame on his face and its like a reaction meme.
Its a great book
Our Lord and savior Colby one of the best mate
Bro, I remember reading Briar Rabbit as a kid.
Pretty sure "Brer" is a Creole/ Cajun term for brother.
Why are people trying to erase history
Good book. Read it when I was young. Along with Tom Sawyer, etc. I remember loving Tom Sawyer Abroad.
The Elijah Wood/Courtney Vance movie of Huck Finn was good too 👍
Let someone call the Holocaust "The Involuntary Time Out Period for Jews",all hell would break loose. Words do have power. These intellectuals just seem too lazy to start the bigger discussion about why these thoughts were common.
I hope that makes sense..🤷♀️
No... it’s actually a critique of a racist society.
Stumpin! It was used during the period to speak publicly
Why.
I saw this movie when I was a kid. I'm African American and Native American and the controversy of song of South from the Disney 1946 movie is Brer Rabbit / Brer Fox / @ Brer Bear is that there animated in traditional Disney version speaking in controversial Southern Black Slang of so called illiterate of a black person with no education making fun of black people only using animals with speaking parts and misconception that all black people talk like that and tar baby was that some people of white society not all thought that blacks look like tar and tar is black in color . Besides the word Nigger in Huck Finn / Remember Twain made racially offensive to Native Americans in Tom Sawyer Injun Joe / Stereotyped Native Americans of being bad thieves and villains and murderers. I'm surprised they haven't attack that book as well. Besides Nigger / they called blacks Darkies / Spooks / Sambo / Jigaboo [ don't even know to this day what that means ,jig Alabama Porch Monkey , Monkeys , Boy , Colored, Spade Stereotypes of eating Fried Chicken , / watermelon, look at uncensored 11 cartoons and banned cartoons from mgm @ Warner Bros but Warner Bros put a disclaimer on all the banned Popeye and Looney tune Cartoons on all DVD releases saying that these cartoons were original made like this and we today do not allow this inappropriate . And offensive behavior and these cartoons reflected the dark past of of American Society . They made fun of not only blacks, Indians from India , Middle Easterns, Native Americans and Asians Chinese but Mainly The Japanese because of World War 2..
Ah yes, of course, that Disney classic Southern Tales.
Himalayas? Matterhorn? WTF????
Braer Rabbit I think.
Yes very. Burn it. And any books with suggestive themes or offensive language. Any book or story that may be deemed offensive should be burned! Maybe make a group of firefighters to help with this process.
Just watched this guy in The Informant
Wouldn’t be surprised
Song of the South is the Disney movie
Right after I wrote this Jamie found it lol
Nword Jim is the only morally good character Mark Twain let be in Huck finn
Racicsm is what binds us. I won't hang with people who won't work or are stupid. Then your race doesn't matter. Just keep your religion to yourself.
br'er or brer, is southern US black slang for brother
Modern internet addictive so called TV fans have ruined real television, comedy and everything fun today ...
Joe Rogan is probably the first white guy that could legitimately say the n word and I not be offended
Paris Harper we're all so glad you weren't offended.....
first time I've seen Jamie not Google something - when was mark teams lifespan
Hucks not but his pop was
Tom Papa doesn't watch the internet. He seems a bit naive about political correctness and SJW culture. Good for him if it's true tbh.
9:34 DABDABDABDAB
Yeah using the word "slave" seems worse lol
Is not that it's racist, its that who gives a damn? Poor babies. Always offended.
It's called song of the south
Song of the South
This is Book RASISM and i dont believe that authors should be writing these RASICT things nowadays nowing that people will get mad. They are just trying to gain publicity by writing about aggressive public situations. SHAME on TWAIN --> he should write about more socialized public topics
Tyler Wilkinson lmao he died 100 years ago
are you for real?
I can see this maybe for a little kid version of the book but not for all versions of the book
It's supposed to be racist. That's why we read it in middle school.
or maybe it was high school
Jamie, pull up Joe Rogan from News Radio. We miss that gender neutral, gender fluid human being. (Man?)
Hmmm... nope.
This is amusing and alarming at the same time. It's a sanitation of language. In this case, the professor fears the word will limit readers exposure to the book. The professor has good intentions, but in the end he is misguided. On a tangent, Netflix engages in this sanitizing every once in a while. A blaxploitation film called "Boss Nigger" is/was on their stream and DVD catalog as "Boss." That's the only thing they changed. Everything else was left intact, including the theme song which can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/qyPhsFxnc_c/v-deo.html and contains the word nigger in it more than most rap songs. This was a film written, produced and directed by Fred Williamson who starred in the titular role. By the way, he is black.
I dont think he was, more like uneducated.