Destiny 2 Lore - The whole Mara & Shaxx "The Helmet Stayed On" story isn't what you think it is...
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2021
- Destiny 2's Lore tells us of a well-known story with Mara and Shaxx, but the common interpretation of its meaning is probably wrong. Let's explore some of the lore that shows us why that's the case.
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…and party on dudes!! Wait that wasn’t what you were going for?
If you don’t keep things civil then you are a spawn of Savathun
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I like to think that Shaxx's mug of caffeine wasn't a way of saying coffee, but an indication that Shaxx drinks mugs of pure caffeine in the morning.
Despite his many deaths, his body tanks caffeine like pre-nerf behemoth tanks bullets. Chad.
He is a titan, he can probably drink a jug of pure wood alcohol
That would not be surprising. However, one counterpoint: Shaxx drinks pure caffeine all day long
Same.
@@Kellofkells_vt nah 100 degree alcohol like a the true gigachad he is.
The important takeaway from all of this lore is that there is a 12 shot combination on the wall of wishes that summons Shaxx. Get on that r/raidsecrets
“This is amazing, guardian!”
All this time people have been speculating wish 15 when we already know what it does AND how many shots it takes. Smh.
Thats........ no no..... you’ve got a point
A 12 shot combination for wish-15 narrows things down a bit, but it still would take a while as a community to brute-force. There are 20 spots on the wall, so 12 shots would mean 20 to the 12th power possibilities. This is 4.096 quadrillion possible combinations. Even if 2 million people were working on solving it, it would require each of them to enter 2.048 BILLION combinations.
I think the 12-shot clue really might be a hint if there is a 15th wish, but we still would need more clues to narrow it down more. This alone isn't enough to make guessing the code feasible.
THE FIFTEENTH WISH IS SHAX AS THE ANNOUNCER IN LAST WISH CONFIRMED
The helmet stayed on. He didn't want anyone to see his tears.
Thinking about this had me crying dude I swear
Yeah this context to the meme breaks my heart bungo literally said that as if to say it was a somber time. Not a sexual one
The helmet stayed on. He didn't want to see anyone while he tears that ass
Whom has seen Shaxx's face in the first place?
@@titantitties the number can be counted on one hand i can guarentee that, the number of those still alive? most likely much smaller
Can anyone just appreciate the fact that in pretty much every lore entry shaxx is in he flexes at least once?
Hell yes
Papa gotta make sure these stasis cabalites remember why hes the crucible runner 😔👌
That Shaxxs' archetype: Aggressive Flex Frame
Shaxx is the epitome of manhood in destiny. Powerful, sensitive, passionate, caring.
As he should
Shaxx straight up tanking basically Dragonslayer arrows like an absolute unit.
Dragonslayer arrows ,dark souls reference?
To be fair she was purposefully only wounding him
I like to think he was looking for the archer’s location so he could hit it with a mountaintop
@@bruhmazing2158 you say that like Sjur wouldn’t have shot the grenade before it fired, making Shaxx explode into nothingness.
The Legendary Legacy you say that like mountaintop doesn’t have a mind of its own and would have evaded the arrow, zigzagged and plopped her straight in the nose. Because that’s apparently how it works in crucible.
As fun as having Sjur Eido in the game sounds, I have to ask: what happens to poor Petra? She worked hard to get where she is and is one of my favorite characters.
Sjur would probably honor Petra’s position as Queen’s Wrath and start a point of contact for traversing the Ascendant Realm, or some other aspect of the Dreaming City we don’t know about yet. O_o Just a personal theory!
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@@kristophertorres9060 ratio
I'd like to see Sjur but Petra is the Queen's Wrath for me, can't see another Awoken in her place
Mara will probably yeet her to the tower again
@@YYui420 She better not. Petra deserves better.
Clicked faster than telesto breaks game
I love my Telesto lol
When I got the telesto catalyst I immediately went and used it and broke my game straight up crashed it
@@bim7355 I need the catalyst! Where did it drop for you? Maybe your luck can rub off on me
@@jsgaming6469 it drops from legendary lost sectors. It doesn't matter if you do it by yourself or with people. I got mine when I was in a fireteam of three.
@@bim7355 thank you. I’m running to one right now!
“Mara detests us for killing her brother Uldren.”
We detested Uldren for killing our favorite Guardian Cayde. I’d say we’re even.
This sounds like the beginning of a really violent version of the circle of life
It gets uneven when you realise uldren is alive and cayde, well its better not even remember..
@@xeabel Uldren isn't alive tho. The man known as Crow is NOT Uldren.
What’s really funny is that Petra fired the killing shot…
I like mara but its an eye for an eye. So i dont mind her hating us
"What I mean to say is, her brother was a goon, but she was my crimson bond. On that day, she asked me to read to her, and I replied "no one tells me what to do." I then proceeded to recite the tempest from memory. All 5 acts. She. Didn't. Blink. I think she was trying to to put me off..."
Mara holds the longest stare competition
The play, combined with his name, accent, and generally dramatic air, always made me support the theory that Shaxx is William Shakespeare resurrected. He probably isn't, but it's fun to think about.
Side note: how long after death can someone no longer be Risen by a Ghost? Is there even a limit? Interesting to consider.
New guardian, unga bunga the... What class throws rocks?
Also Shaxx’s voice actor is also a Shakespearean actor.
Shaxxpeare
The limit is probably on how long it take a body to decay beyond retrieval, because I’m pretty certain that ghosts need something to work with.
Osiris(sus), Cayde and ghosts have implied that there still needs to be an inkling of Light left in the body in order to bring a guardian back.
Do the bodies of dead people before becoming Risen have any Light in them? Who knows.
Do only the bodies (lives) of people whom the Traveler witnessed after its arrival count? Who knows.
Here's me thinking Shaxx "Shaxxed" Savathun instead of Mara...
That would have been terrifying
Not only terrifying but very dark when you think about it. Shaxx probably mistakenly bang a witch queen instead of the awoken queen. Very interesting theory there actually
Totally a Baby Shaxx doo doo doo doo doo doo if it happened
Little hive worm with shaxx's helmet?
Hive Queen, Awoken Queen, either way they gettin' shaxxed and the helmet is staying on
Thatd be terrifying, yet oddly hilarious
The recluse…
Had a lore tab…
ME TOO
.......oh sh*t i didn’t even know
“That wasn’t real!-“
“Don’t say that… don’t say that, it was real… it was real to me!”
Me too
@T. O. he can have Chadness without this tho. He canonically has married every guardian who bought the vow. Even you
@T. O. GODDAMNIT well i do. I see this as a win
Isn't it dangerous to say "Wish" out loud in the Dreaming City? The Tempest uses the word wish at least 5 times and she had him read it out loud
I hope that maras wish included a cool down effect
That would be the case if he had read. He did not. He recited it from memory, and the helmet stayed on.
Ahamkara don't need you to say anything to grant a wish, they can sense your thoughts
@@cmpowell1587 that’s exactly how our home girl riven caused the dreaming city’s cycle. If you even _think of it_ ,an ahamkara can read those thoughts and, given enough power/wish for it to be true, it will happen
Yeah, but this was wishing to pre-Taken Riven, who was fairly chill by Ahamkara standards. Mara Sov held court in the Dreaming City with Riven in the room on a fairly regular basis. Petra was even named Wrath with Riven present (which honestly explains a few things if you think about it), so the side effects were likely minimal here, wish-wise.
I'm pretty sure Lore Daddy destroyed so many fanfics just now 🤣
Let me slap AU onto my fanfics to solve this problem.
Nah. All the fanfics I’ve ever seen were Sjur/Mara. It’s very apparent that hardly anyone truly cared for the nonexistent ‘relationship’ between the two, they just enjoyed inserting themselves on Shaxx.
@@rhyoa5907 Uh-huh, Im sure thats what it is
@@pie_man9176 Mans really said AUs like this is Undertale bruh. (A joke btw)
@@oreo-postraphe I totally haven’t seen hundreds of men joke about fucking Mara & clearly insert on Shaxx thanks to the jokes existence. Nope.
Shin Eido: Kills Shaxx
Lord Shaxx: This is the start of a beautiful friendship
Me: Tf she shot you in 4 different places
Byf: "The lore tab on recluse spreads a little bit more of an idea of a character that links Mara and Shaxx, and it reads like so."
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XD look at the lore tab for hardlight or boralias
Liberty liberty, liberty. Liberty
Sjur deserves a huge spotlight. She’s incredible! I hope she really does come back.
Don't know if I can forgive her for the harbinger's echo grind though. Maybe if she gives me a new gun, that isn't wish-ender.
why do I get the feeling that Sjur may return next season....
Isn't she dead tho?
@@comradethegreat3599 wish starter
@@euruskreacatoa2370 eeeeeh... Thats... Kinda iffy... The Nine 'took her out' (a strange coin was resting over the body of Sjur) but Mara says she is not dead. And in the shattered throne we speak to her through her own statue.
Maybe Mara is using her own throne world to keep her Alive somewhat? Like lending her her own throne world to cheat death, but its been taking a lot longer because of the curse of the city?
Imagine if that wish had been a little later… he’s fighting somebody in the crucible and as he throws a grenade he gets teleported to mara. And the grenade hits her…
She’s be fine, she’s on par as powerful as we are and in many way more so. She also has a throne world, so just a quick little trip.
Byf, talking about lore from the Reef/Dreaming City: "...when you listen to a whole bunch of voices..."
Riven: - posthumous chuckling intensifies -
Shut Up glorified football ball- my guardian
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 that would be the chimera thing, not riven itself...but now i seriously want to punt the meatball...i'm gonna need a bigger boot
Riven is not dead, heart still exists
This whole video is basically Lore Daddy's way of saying "Get your head out of the gutter"
Stuff like this is why I desperately crave a Destiny novel. There's so many stories waiting to be told.
Shaxx would memorize that too
A good idea might be to make the books in lore real.
I would prefer comic books
Bring back No Land Beyond and I’ll be famous for the most missed shots
yea, "the helmet stayed on" is fairly obviously meant to signify "they stayed clothed" aka, no sexytimes were had.
But by god, I love the meme of Shaxx being such a character that he even bangs in his helmet, too good to abandon.
So, that's why I keep my use of the quote the same.
He can't find it in the settings. That said, he seems to have found out how to remove everything else when nobody else can. He's either a genius, or ignorant to the laws of Destiny. Either way, the helmet stays on.
It fairly obviously doesn't indicate that. No one would equate "helmet stayed on" to "they stayed clothed". Hence why the meme even exists.
His Helmet must be special, i bet it has atleast 2 stats on 100 by default🤔
At one point there must've been a threesome between Sjur, Mara and Shaxx. Mara is that bitchy type that would turn down Shaxx only to invite him later to her place.
Shaxx always wears his helmet afaik he hasn't took it off, the line "the helmet stayed on" is meant to make a joke that when he does the deed he still wears it, but it is given a different meaning if you realise that they were talking about Sjur eido and that he kept the helmet on likely to hide his face and his emotions while he talks with mara.
This makes a lot more sense. After all, why would Shaxx take time to memorise the book, and subsequently be angry at the very notion of not knowing it?
-Despite Mara allegedly turned down Shaxx's advances, she called upon him to her chambers
-Sjur and Shaxx's relationship grew into close friendship
-Sjur and Mara were lovers
-Shaxx is a chad
It was a threesome.
Exactly what I was thinking
Wrong.
@@dradamov the sexualities: Straight, Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Lord Shaxx, Pan, Ace
Shaxx: I'm incredibly sorry for destroying your wife's book.
Mara: You better start reciting or start catching these hands.
Is she a lesbian ?
@@thespider-boy9497 yes
@@thespider-boy9497 Used to be Bi but now we cant have that
@@oreo-postraphe she’s not real, you wouldn’t have had a chance anyway
@@oreo-postraphe she's likely bi, she just has high standards. And is still mourning her lost wife. And is trying to get her brother back. Which kind of puts the whole male-attraction thing to the side if you think about it
relationships in Destiny are sometimes clear cut or the lore is weird about it and in game dialogue has a tone of we haven't made up our mind on this. I'd would like to think that Shaxx MAY have loved Sjur Eido also had a brief relationship with her and giving a bow to Mara might have been his way of telling his feelings about Sjur. plus the tempest reading might have been Mara going "Hey we both loved her". let a guardian dream okay.
I like this too, I think him saying he knows it by heart is a way of him saying “I knew her as a lover”. But maybe I’m reaching.
"We've Been Tricked, We've Been Backstabbed and We've Been Quite Possibly, Bamboozled"
That’s the wrong franchise
@@dinklberg3065 who said you need to quote the right franchise for it to be accurate
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@@dinklberg3065
[Mr. I in Incredible 2]
BUNGIE IS BUNGIE
Could shaxx be a masochist? He enjoyed those arrows a bit too much
From the words of Spike Spiegel, "I love the kind of woman that can kick my ass."
when youre immortal it can take a lot to impress you 🤷
The helmet still stayed on
Damn, Byf, your mentioning Sjur Eido’s fight with Uldren Sov, is going to have me listen to the complete story of Destiny AGAIN!
Saame
While it's more entertaining if Mara summoned Shaxxy to poundtown, it's a better story if she brought him there and they shared a moment of remembrance for a loved one.
can I just say, I love how byf says "wrath" it somehow makes the word hit harder. makes it seem like a more note worthy and dark thing. amazing.
Sjur has become one of my favorite figures in Awoken lore. She sounds like a kind hearted but suffer no fool type. Why she was with Mara, who is easily the Cersei Lannister of Destiny, I will never know. I hope we get more about her this season, even just one little lore nugget I will be super pleased.
can you do a video on the aphelion? i've looked everywhere through the lore for them and the more i find about them the more interesting they are
so far the key points of what i know
1. they are found on Europa and around the Dreaming city
2. their was likely an Aphelion involved in the Glykon incident
3. us as guardians are no match for them, a single one managed to cause a SKSCHOCK level incident, which previously only the traveler and darkness could, also in one of Calus's visions a single one wiped out the entirety of the Hellas basin on mars (although these visions are usually fairly in-accurate, so take that with a pinch of salt)
4. they are glow-y bois
5. it was said "no matter how many gods you've killed pray you dont meet the aphelion, for you will not survive" by a techeun
6. they are likely what Cayde and the drifter met on europa, and have the ability to strip guardians of their light
i know a decent bit more then this, but these are the key points and i can describe them more in detail if anyone is interested
I bet that will be expanded upon by lightfall, and probably after the light vs dark saga there will be an aphelion vs (….) saga.
@@noahhoan yeah, destiny 3 will most likely be centered on the 9 so they’ll bring in the deep awoken lore like the Keyhole and Aphelion
@@fort809 Destiny 3? Pretty sure they've highly implied they just plan to build onto D2 as a long-running GAS
The return of Sjur would be a genius move on Bungie's side, since Sjur could be a connection between Guardians, the Eliksni (thinking of Mithrax) and the Awoken of the Reef.
Or think of us saving Sjur from whatever it may be. Could there be a better way of earning Maras "trust"?
There is so much potencial there, I really hope we get to see her one day.
She's a legend.
maybe "The Tempest" will be our next seasonal title?
Hmmm... Probably not.
Could be cool
such a great video!! sjur and mara's relationship is such an interesting one and is so overlooked by the majority of destiny fans, its awesome to see them finally getting some recognition!!
That's because Sjur as a character practically might as well not exist
@@Tracker947 Uh, Sjur’s bow is Wish Ender. There is also a statue of her on the bow and a real statue in The Shattered Throne.
I came here for the 'tongue in cheek' story and got an emotional backhand that makes me want that bow even more now. God I love Destiny.
I really do believe now that the Helmet Stayed On... to hide his tears. They joined together to remember someone they both deeply cared for, and in doing so created an incredibly vulnerable and touching moment between the two of them. I personally like the lore tab more now
"No other character in Destiny is really famous for using a bow..."
The Hunter on the enemy team: "Am I a joke to you?"
Lol
Thank you Byf, I always enjoy your videos. My clan refer to me as a lore master but I degrees I am but a pupil studying under the Masters. Your videos are referred often by me to my Clan mates who wish to learn more about Destiny.
STOKED for more info about Sjur!! THANK you for this, it is awesome to learn more and see more perspectives!
Wait the recluse lore isnt?
"Recluse go Brrrrr!"
My life is a lie
I lied to get out of a raid to watch this, I'm not proud of it
But I am.
Just do what i do and multitask and then i get yelled at for not paying attention and being incompetent
Its a byf video homie, understandable, understandable
Helmet stayed on because he was crying , didn’t want to show tears
Always loving the content
Boy howdy, we’re getting awfully close to one million subscribers. Congratulations on the grind byf!
You make a very strong case, Lord Daddy. However I have elected to ignore it.
Agreed, we can have both 😔👌
Same the helmet stays on during shaxx fun times
Me too
Lord daddy did you mean lore or do you realy call him that
@@rafaelallengamboa3611 we call him that
I admit that I didn’t really learn anything from the video, but had my suspicions confirmed. I never bought it that Mara would be interested in Shax. She BARELY trusts guardians, much less would take one as a lover.
I love this lore. The idea that anyone could make Shaxx be awestruck so easily, and that she killed him with four arrows. That's a true warrior. Eido was n Awoken Warrior Goddess The closest thing in Destiny to the Amazonian warrior Women of trope culture. and more than that, from your reading, to me, his tone showed more than just awe, there was a hint of something warm afuzzy starting in that moment, because normally it took armies to take him down. She used a Bow.
Idk my dude. That Crimson Days Trailer during Shadowkeep says otherwise
Remind me?
@@Captain_Yata A quick UA-cam search with the words "Crimson Days Trailer" would help you out
Eyes opened. He may have been friendzoned, but I’ll be damned if the striker special was never delivered
@@Captain_Yata ua-cam.com/video/9ylerb7niFQ/v-deo.html 0:10
I saw the thumbnail and was laughing my bacon off! 🤣🤣🤣
YES! I've been hoping someone would cover that line from Variks
“Disputing intentions, invites devastation. A 7empest must be, true to its nature.” Couldn’t stop thinking about these lyrics
Just a quick correction, Mara didn't actually reject Shaxx, she simply decided to leave, which is why he gave out the bow to the guardians, as he thought she'd never come back.
the helmet stayed on to hide his tears over his lost friend
this lore piece is what motivates me to keep playing
Wow, very interesting! Never knew any of this. Thanks for making this video!
I hope Sjur, returns in season 15. It would be a very nice conclusion to the Dreaming City story.
I thought she knew her brother was going to die since we killed oryx and then savathun showed up? Eye for an eye and all that
delighted to find this n my notifications
YES! thank you! Ive been saying this forever, and its my birthday, this video is trully a gift. thank you Byf
I bet (mostly hope) Sjur Eido is coming back next season, and that the Slepless lore will come to pass next season.
With this new bit of context, "the helmet stayed on" makes absolutely no sense. Why wouldn't t the helmet stay on? If all they were doing was talking. We know shaxx doesn't take his helmet off
because if you recite a 3+-hour play, performing all the parts, without sitting down, it makes sense to take your helmet off and relax. Shaxx doesn’t. (because he never does.)
The lore tab reads like fan fiction and no amount of clarifications can really change that
Or we could see this in the really sad way where Shaxx didn't wanna cry remembering his old friend in front of Mara.
@@toastnuances exactly….so it doesn’t make sense because we all know Shaxx doesn’t.
Yeah this whole situation is just hilariously messy. I swear Bungie gives mixed signals just to distract the community lmao
I much prefer the idea that it was a moment of emotional vulnerability rather than sex "strong man keeps his helmet on during sex" is funny, but mara asking a close friend of her lover's to read a book that reminds her of her lover is very very sweet and tender
Great work on the video. Do you have any recommendations for other people to check out for lore?
Really hope someday Sjur and Mara have a spotlight or Shaxx with Mara either way it will be neat as a view
I love Sjur so much
the hardest choices require the strongest wills
Byf being humble and wholesome. We so blessed
thank you, been trying to piece this together for a few months there where some leaks about season 15 being about the dreaming city and Mara. if the leaks are true, i have been thinking that we may resurrect sur edo in season 15 like we did saint 14.
i think this makes much more sense and im always glad to hear more about Sjur, and Orin. my only gripe is in my personal headcannon its not the Shakespeare Story they recite, its the song lyrics to The Tempest by Bob Dylan, a lot of similar tones and imagery in the song and the destiny universe
"Sailing into tomorrow
To a golden age foretold
The night was black with starlight
The seas were sharp and clear
Moving through the shadows
The promised hour was near"
great work as always my friend, Eyes Up
Wait, how was shaxx gonna drink the coffee with helmet still on?
It's SHAXX he can do anything
@@Palivox y savathun not dead yet?
@@craigb4962 he hasn’t tried yet
I will always believe, no matter what, that one of the little metal discs on Shaxxs helmet can just pop out so he can put in a straw or something.
@@craigb4962He's too busy yelling at Guardians to throw more grenades.
Fascinating indeed, which reminds me of the moment I retrieved the lore entries from Logistics, Crews Quarters, Revelation and Communion during ShadowKeep first week. I decided to read each one, each section. Realizing with a wide eye'd moment...wait...wait WAIT one damn minute, these entries are telling me??? Even went off to mention these entries to my clan, "Has anyone read the lore entries from the Lost Sectors or concerning the Lost Sectors on the moon?" None had and once I began to explain or what me, myself and I had understood, even more so no one believed me, not till a later date Byf/Broman had a rather long discussion on said lore while doing that season events and a few other folks who do research on lore, that solidified my thoughts. So yes, it does indeed pay to do research and obtain different view points before we all go off wild eye'd crazy assuming the helm stayed on or not =)
shaxx survived 3 wish ender body shots? He's hacking bro
Now this is something we Need to know
“The helmet stays on” in a lore video title, I gotta check this shit out
i know you worked your ass of for this video. and i do very much appreciate your dedication to your craft, BUUUUT scrank gang video when?
Indeed
We've all been waiting for this.
Well damn...
That was suprisingly...somber.
I feel so bad for my boy shaxx, he just wanted someone to love
This lore tab just made me sad for Mara, and Shaxx of course, but mainly Mara.
Shes been through full dumptrucks of struggle, and in her "final" moments, she just wants a friend to talk to about her one true love :c
Bro, are guardians like space marines where they have to have like pure 1000% alcohol to get even slightly drunk if so. That mug was probably 100000% 5 hour energy drinks
I loved the interaction between Missraks and Shaxx, talking about how much of a monster they were, even to their own people.
I would love to see an interaction between Missraks and Shaxx, talking about Sjur Eido. Possibly when Shaxx learns of Missraks's daughter's name.
My god, how many bow shots does it take to kill Shaxx?
just one, from sjur
Let's just round up to way too many...
This just makes me want to see the return of Sjur Eido even more. She's by far my favorite side character in the lore.
Didn't we find The Vow behind Mara's throne in Queen's Court the week after it was released though?
We did Byf has destroyed lore
Literally Mara and sjur were lovers and shaxx and sjur were besties he's not gonna have sex with his best friend's partner like lord
Didn't know Sjur existed before now, and tbh it just feels kinda flat and boring because she basically might as well not exist in game
@@Tracker947 she's in marasenna, wishender, recluse, shattered throne, truth, and mentioned in the season by Eido who is literally named after her.but I don't blame you, its a lot of reading. However - if someone can read the lore with shaxx and Mara then they can elread the other lore pieces and not come to conclusions. I only started playing destiny a year ago and even then I knew enough to read the lore and understand this situation between shaxx,Mara,and sjur. And why do people think she wants him anyways, she flat out rejected him.
@@Tracker947 Well, Bungie has a mixed reputation when it comes to bringing characters from the lore into the game. Osiris was....not received well. Saint-14 however became a fan-favorite.
@@mpower4742 who is eido?
No one denies shaxx nor tells him what to do.
I'd say largely as a community there is a fundamental misunderstanding of Queen Mara as a person. As with most insanely brilliant strategist they'll always keep you guessing. Currently she is now being blamed for Cayde's death when they couldn't be further from the truth.
Agreed.
Another fantastic video thank you :)
I think you’re right because thanking back when crimson days went on He would say when talking to him for the first time in the beginning of crimson days (and love for those lucky to have it) made it sound like he was sad that he didn’t have it By the way he was saying it
Ehhhh, I'm pretty sure they still fucked. That "The helmet stayed on" line is a little too direct to be misinterpreted, not unless you are actively trying to disregard the clear implication there.
I also think that the argument that Mara distrusted Shaxx for his status as a guardian falls pretty flat, for the simple reason that she went out of her way to summon him in the first place. If Mara just wanted to reminisce on her lover with someone else who knew her well, than there were surely other reef awoken - or otherwise friends of Sjur - that she could could have done so with. Sjur was clearly a social individual who had friends even outside of her reclusive people, given her relations with Mithraks and Shaxx; surely she had close, non-guardian friends that Mara could have turned too. And yet, Mara goes out of her way to use her wish wall - a very secret tool in a city that only awoken and their closest allies could enter, and that guardians distinctly couldn't at the time of this event - to summon Shaxx specifically. His utter lack of shock at being so suddenly confronted with the awoken queen - and in such a manner - also suggest that this situation isn't overly unusual, and that they were likely personally familiar outside of their mutual acquaintance in Sjur. That Shaxx knew Mara well enough to even consider her a romantic interest further supports this conclusion
Point is, while I certainly agree that the clear reference to Sjur's title implies her memory was a focus of their visit, Shaxx stayed with Mara for a long time, and reminiscing on the beloved past was probably the most innocent thing the two got up to in that time
Edit: Changes to elaboration and word choice
I've actually wondered about this connection for a long time but never really put 2 and 2 together on it. Def a big AHA moment for me, as a lore nerd.
it sounds like you haven't considered the fact that they're actually a throuple
2:09 “I’ve somehow run out of ammo!” Real Capn moment here lmao
Whoever came up with the name "lore daddy", you are in my respects
I now wanna beleave that the helmets stayed on because he didn’t want to cry in front of Mara as they sat and remembered “the tempest”
Cant cry in front of the dommy mommy 😔
"her brother was a goon, but she was my crimson bond"
Shaxx failing at romance is the most tragic thing in destiny 😔, nothing can change my mind.