@@Dreamonology Yep, it gets lots of bad rep for no reason, but it was some of the most balanced expansions (if you ignore some legendary items, the 2h sword and trinket from DS or how DK's necrotic strike ignore resilience)
Hyped about Cata pvp! Really loved TBC and Wotlk arena but cata was the first one I really tried in back in the day. A lot of really fun abilities (smoke bomb, life grip, and my fav soul swap!) were added and it's gonna be a blast to see again!
Why don’t you actually back up what you say by some actual facts about what makes it just a FuN tier list? You list no reason or any other constructive comments to support what you posted. You must have not played cata back in the day because this list is pretty dead on. Maybe you just butt hurt because he didn’t put your favorite class on top. So instead you just troll with some half a** comment backed by no actual facts…typical democrat.
Feral is S-tier. None can survive 14K bleeds and 40K shreds. Instant clones and stun locks. And if bear form is activated, dodge chance is 50%.. and if you’re not dodging, you’re Critting all thr time which is a permanent savage defense physical barrier. Feral master race
Thanks for the vid! I’m hyped for Cata because it was when I really started getting into PvP. I would love to see a 2s and 3s comp tier list at some point!
I'll be honest, I don't fully agree with this tier list. Shadow priests are okay, but like in retail they're just a target dummy without a dispersion that heals. Marksman and feral are S tier, ferals break roots when shapeshifting and marksman dominate the ladder with oneshots, good defensives and crazy cc. Moonkin is A/B tier because the consistent damage is not that impressive, even if you dot everything. I think arms and rets should be swapped aswell, rets are just "pop all cds and do insane dps" but when wings and guardian are gone you don't do alot of damage. Warriors dish out consistent high crits and have very good cc aswell. Other than that it's a decent list. Not hating btw, I love your vids, just saying what I think. Have a nice day :)
@@Keylandors frost and fire are very very good in cata, they have a fire blast stun, stunbreak with blink and very solid damage. Id say fire is better in 3s/battlegrounds and frost is better in 2s, and can also do well in 3s and bgs but a little bit worse than fire does. Hope this helps :)
@@Keylandors frost and fire are very very good in cata, they have a fire blast stun, stunbreak with blink and very solid damage. Id say fire is better in 3s/battlegrounds and frost is better in 2s, and can also do well in 3s and bgs but a little bit worse than fire does. Hope this helps :)
stuff like blood dk was really good at the start of cata, pretty sure we still had armor pen on that patch before it was removed, but 4.3.4 they are pretty much RBG shot callers or holding points etc. Won't be very good for arenas, now that everyone knows how to kite and avoid them.
As a DK main back then, I must say that DK strength really matters on what patch we are talking about. Frost is S tier while Hungering Cold is instant, after it becomes casted frost becomes an RBG spec. UH S tier while Necrotic Strike is good but after nerfs it becomes warrior support. By the end of the expac when Rogs & Mages get their leggos the class became almost unplayable. I remember we literally stacked resilience way over the cap and frost mages would still deepfreeze+frostbolt oneshot you if you had no CDs. Ill give one disclaimer, i might just have PTSD from Dragonsoul but that is also the patch it will be played on? Blood DK is a Tyrant only vs Physical DMG, you can't get vengeance from magical DMG as I recall, and mastery is also only physical dmg shield.. Still the most fun version(I didn't play MoP) of DK that I have played. Both Runes and Runic Power were amazing, compared to today. Pretty much the reason I don't play DK much these days. #DKRework
I was looking for a comment like this. I think the nerf to Hungering Cold was unfair, even though it was needed I think they should've looked at a different way of nerfing it imo. I do understand the nerf, it being 1 min cooldown while also being instant aoe cc is crazy while also doing dot damage. I think what should've happened if they wanted to nerf it was done it in 3 potential ways, making the cooldown longer at 2 minutes and leaving it instant or shorten the cast time from 1.5 seconds to 0.5 seconds while making the cast time 1.5 minutes and lastly, making it the same as it is was but castable while moving. Being locked in place while casting it and if you get interruptep it locks you out of all frost abilities for the duration of the interrupt really sucks for a melee based class.
@@IzNebula I like the CD idea, 2 mins would also alight with trinkets. Might be the best to make it un-interruptible, so people can still react to the cast but you can't get shutdown with a kick.
This is very accurate. Played dk to 2800 season 9 and after the nerfs war/ferals would regularly double my damage in some games. Mind you Necrotic strike is partially why
One of the patches Frost DK was one of the most blatantly OP specs the game has ever seen. It was a mid expansion patch, can't remember which one, but it was completely unkillable and pumped out insane damage with Frost Strike.
I have two memories that stand out for me from Cata. 1) Raiding as Moonkin just absolutely obliterating the DPS meters on trash packs with mushrooms+starfall+hurricane 2) Playing marksman Hunter in PvP. This was one of my favorite versions of Hunter ever. Good burst, good mobility, great Cc. Using the monkey pet to have a blind Cc felt great.
Prot pally needs some love on this. i had some 20 minute arenas where it would come down to me and a blood Dk and we just couldnt kill eachother. The damage isnt as regular a Retribution but ill take the survivability with some burst anyday. 2-3 people to bring me down.
I been playing Cata on private servers and I have to disagree with some picks. I know that you are picking classes based on 3v3 arena but overall MM hunter and ferals are S tier. Shadow priest I don't think it belong in S tier and boomkins either. Holy paladins are way stronger than disc. Disc is quite weak in Cata.
@@Prophacyxin 2s they are strong specially in the first season. In 3v3 they struggle a lot cause of CC. The problem is that the classes you will face the most have all tons of CC and mobility like fire mages, MM hunters, ferals, rogues
@@Prophacyxa good step down from earlier... in vanilla, tbc and wotlk arms is one of the strongest dps specs in pvp, in cata it's probably one of the weakest melee. rogues are better, ferals are better, dks are better, rets are better.
This guy doesnt really know what hes talking about with ele, casting lb while walking was soo strong, we also get the insane burst with earth shock and lava burst, also ancestral walk and ascension making you a fucking lava burst machine gun while moving was insane…
Was rolling ret/enhance/disc on Beta a good bit. I think Enhance is probably the biggest sleeper spec in Cata especially seeing all these Tier ranking videos people are putting out. Consistently seeing them in B-C tier. I think Enhance has a chance to be A tier when played properly. I think the only class I lost duels to on beta was really good mages and rogues as well. We are way harder to kite with the amount of outs we have (Sham Rage cleanse, Earthbind out of roots, Frostbrand/Shock root, Ghostwolf, etc.) Hopefully I'm right!
I feel hpal should be in s tier and feral druid too. Cata was my most played exp by far 2400 in 3's as hpal, which by todays standards is whatever but man I'm so pumped for cata.
Yeah ive always been around 2400/2500 wotlk-mop as frost mage and i remember feral was a fucking nightmare. i would just sit outside in Durotar and only duel ferals to get better at fighting them lol.
Question.. when they release classic expansions do they release it patch by patch? Like does cata come out exactly how it did with broken classes and mechanics and they patch it later or does it come out with a more streamlined end product?
No they will most likely release the same way they did with Wotlk, so end of content talents and mechanics, only the gear will be from 4.0 but everything else will be from 4.3.4
To those whom did not play cata : tanks when they get hit they build up stacks of vengeance to increase their damage. This makes tanks so strong in pvp. Not sure if they implement 4.3 where this was nerfed. Also numbers of buttons are at all time high especially for boombkin. So many buttons I had to do 8 full rows. Finally the dominating combo at 4.3 is lock shaman rogue. Especially when rogue had legendary daggers.
Cata is where Prot Warrior really switches to it's support role with CC/Utility. They dispel Hots/buffs/shields constantly which is annoying. They also can shut down casters with 2 siliences, 1 ranged. Have insane mobility 2 stuns, spell reflect and Intervene is huge. Prot War can play with any set up comp that has burst since that is what they are lacking. A good Prot War can go far and has the tools to do so.
I miss recoup, don’t miss redirect clunky unnecessary mechanic on an already keybind heavy class for arena. I do miss combat readiness. Also miss old shadow dance and the stealth abilities hitting hard rather than Eviscerate spam. I also miss hemorrhage. Cata and mop sub rogue the best expansions for rogue no contest. There was so much more room for outplays and recovery or being able to flip a duel rather than whoever gets opened on first loses. Tbh was a lot more room for outplay for most classes but rogue really was something to behold. You couldn’t pay me to watch a “duel” video now days
@@joshyman221i remember legendary staves and daggers dominating along with dragon soul trinkets, but i don’t know what the meta has been on private. my experience was retail and a lot of the frustration was running into double legendary RLS
Ret will be shit in cata classic until the catch-up to DS content, for a very simple reason. Most likely 4.3.4 talents and class mechanics will be implemented as soon as cata classic starts, which means a 10sec CD on Wog for rets (vs no cd during the actual 4.0.6 patch). The absence of Cd on Wog in 4.0.6 was to compensate the fact that the only way to get holy power is crusader strike and procs (meaning you wont generate any holy power when facing any mage type caster or any agility based class). 4.3.4 had the two tier set giving holy power through judgement which wont be the case when cata classic is released. So basically on release of cata classic rets will have a long ass cd on wog and no actual way to generate holy power to do damage or heal, making it way weaker than in the real 4.0.6
Warrior was awful in cata after the nerfs in s9. It relied entirely on one shots which were completely RNG based. Later in the expansion it relied entirely on having Gurthalak and the dragon soul trinket to deal competitive damage, but was totally overshadowed by most other specs even then. It was one of the worst classes in the game in cata pvp, if not the worst.
i use to play unholy DK Enhance Rdruid at like 2700+ in cata really never had an issue ever with any comp and we just shit on all casters they almost never got to cast ever even have some videos on youtube still from the turny realm with a pally healer at like 2500 even beat some of the old MLG players with the comp
The 2s meta wont change from years, I'am coming from and I'am playing on it for years not. That'll be disc rogue or disc feral gg wp go next #spaminstantcloneandburnggwp
I've played A LOT of cata pservs, and there's some changes i'd recommend: frost mage was def S tier, RMP was busted, and bring fire down to A, it wasn't as good as frost. Boomy, and i main druid, was prob A tier, not S. there were limted comps you could play with it, most notibly spicy chicken cleave (boomy/fire mage/rsham or disc) Bring disc to S tier, cuz... uh RMP. Hpal was Either S or A. KFC, jungle, TSG were all played with Hpal and all really good comps. Blood bring down to A or even B. At the high end, people could deal with blood dks. They were really susceptible to CC and magic damage dealers, but very tanky into phys. Ret is probably A, but definitely a competitor for S, so maybe low S tier for ret. That's about it.
@@devwadehra9896I played shadow as my secondary on retail, shadow in cata is a really cool class design but it's not easy and particularly struggles in 2v2 since it doesn't do well under pressure, but in 3s with a healer or in 2s when paired with a high-control class like sub or frost mage, it can contribute to some crazy CC chains and has awesome utility, and the burst damage is nothing to sneeze at when it's set up properly.
Guys i have one question, how it works in cata is it like in wotlk when you would need to go do pve raids to get bis trinkets and stuff in order to be competitive in pvp or you can be fine just by doing pvp activities?
As someone who have played cata for years on private servers this is not very accurate, largely depends on phase and pve items much like in wrath but id say this is inaccurate, in the patch we are getting cata on 4.3 warrior is b tier at best both in 3s and 2s.. boomy, shadow and fire are good and fun but are far from S tier u can argue feral and mm cud take their places..
CATA ele wasnt greatest in arena. But! In BG's...... Booiiiiii 👉👌... Only classes i struggled with were rogue ( which i got to 50/50) and feral ( for some reason bit harder than rogue) but could win sometimes. Favourite expansion to BG on ele for sure. LB, TRINK, COE, FS, LAVB, CL, LB, ES = ☠️ To most classes
It was def busted but depends on which patch. They were way better at the start or rather lots of others got buffed up by the end plus raid tier trinkets etc was make or break for some specs like warrior. MM hunter and ret pally and dk were all strong by season10 in fact you’d see triple dps 3v3. Running RLS I ran into a lot of MM/unholy/ret triple dps and they’d basically just run down your sham. Sub rogue was def the most fun in cata and mop!
@aic20 in pvp? As far as i remember the whole thing for demo, weather dhadow bolt or incy build, in pve was resumoning demons, becouse felguard did no dmg, but had the best dark soul, so you would only have it for the burst, how does that play style play into pvp? Destro had to have imp to do dmg too
@@poetofnoreturn7708 i could be wrong but im pretty sure felguard gets axe stun in this xpac and thats really broken plus it does the mortal wounds effect too.. that with metamorph plays i think its under rated
Ferals are S, mm is S, frost mage is S, hpal is S, rsham is HIGH A (legit highest A tier spec), aff lock is high A, sub rogue is high S and the leggo daggers make them highest S, fire mage is A. Just my 2 cents.
@devwadehra9896 coming from maining a spriest in wotlk, i think they took a step back as far as pvping goes. I was not a fan of the shadow orb mechanic that was introduced to them. I could be wrong, but i believe they took on a more burst centered role in cata with the introduction of mind spike. Spriests dont pick up again until MoP imo. With that being said, i put spriest in the b tier range. Keep in mind, i like specs that exceed in 1v1, dueling, and world pvp situations.
@@devwadehra9896 Sorry for the late reply as life has a funny way of getting in the way of things. In my opinion, spriest in mop gets better just like a lot of off meta specs for a multitude of reasons. They Finally get another def CD which is spectral guise. This move allows them to go invisible for a short amount of time. as you can imagine, this gives them both engaging ability along with some more self peel. Also, (could be wrong about this) i think their dmg profile gets tweaked again with more focus being on shadowy aparitions which helps. I just dont think spriest should ever have a bursty format to them.
@@ploopyful thank you for your reply I see in the MoP data for patch 5.4.2. that their shadow form damage mitigation was changed from reducing all damage done by 15% to SP and it was changed to shadow priests gain 100% more armor while in shadow form. Do you think this change would be a nerf or a buff to their survivability in MoP?
sry bro but Moonkin is not S-tier. you lieing to your viewers. Moonkin is B-tier. Blooddk is maybe good in 1v1 but thats all and no one care about 1v1. clearly D-tier when it comes to arena Shadow Priest is good but not S-tier at all. its a decent A-tier MM-hunter is very high S-tier one of the strongest specs in the game most of S-tier combs like Junge, PHDK und Thug have a hunter for a reason mm hunter is broken in Cata but very hard to play Feral druid is shares a spot with sub rogue they are even good both S-tier for sure Ret pally is good but not S-Tier is high A-tier. sorry but i dont agree with this tier list im playing cata on p-servers for some time now
I don't agree with a lot of this lol. Theres a reason there's a lot of people commenting with strong feelings about how inaccurate this is. no offense.
Ya bro because all the random 1500 players on private servers with patches that wont be the same as classic cata are going to be so much more accurate. Nobody plays season 9 gear in season 11 balance.
been playing cata in private servers for serval years...puting enhance on C is redicilous...im sorry dude but that thing belongs to S while boomking and shadowpriest are not S tier mainly cuz of sub rogue and feral dudu which trash them nonstop..
This video clearly show how a "pro" player may have a not-so-accurate opinion. Cata's Affliction one of the most fun? Have you ever tried playing 2v2 arena as Affliction in Cata? It's an absolute infuriating experience. You can't kill anything with minimum healing by yourself, too many new Heals/Hots/Shields combined with DoT damage being reduced way too much after Wrath. In before the "balanced for 3s" BS.
Either Supa wrote the WarcraftTavern article on this exact topic and used it for a script for this video, or he just read that article verbatim and this is an extremely low-effort video, OR whoever writes content for WarcraftTavern is lazy as hell.
I thought i was going crazy until i checked it myself, i was googling this topic and saw the article first so yea kinda scummy to reuse content even if he wrote it himself
Cataclysm is underrated. Some of my favorite arena moments were in Cataclysm.
I also enjoyed things I did when I was 13
it had better balance pvp than wotlk, no pregs or annoying 45 min statement comps,. 2s was actually fast paced in cata made for a fun meta
@@Dreamonology Yep, it gets lots of bad rep for no reason, but it was some of the most balanced expansions (if you ignore some legendary items, the 2h sword and trinket from DS or how DK's necrotic strike ignore resilience)
Hyped about Cata pvp! Really loved TBC and Wotlk arena but cata was the first one I really tried in back in the day. A lot of really fun abilities (smoke bomb, life grip, and my fav soul swap!) were added and it's gonna be a blast to see again!
Awesoem vid! cant wait for more cata content
This is more like most fun pvp classes list.
Why don’t you actually back up what you say by some actual facts about what makes it just a FuN tier list? You list no reason or any other constructive comments to support what you posted. You must have not played cata back in the day because this list is pretty dead on. Maybe you just butt hurt because he didn’t put your favorite class on top. So instead you just troll with some half a** comment backed by no actual facts…typical democrat.
Fun is the single most important thing to consider
Unfortunately it's super far off
@@mardux8906 what class would be in top?
@@SHRI3K3R as it looks like
Rogue (s11 above everything else), af Lock, fire mage, hunter, maybe feral
Feral is S-tier. None can survive 14K bleeds and 40K shreds. Instant clones and stun locks.
And if bear form is activated, dodge chance is 50%.. and if you’re not dodging, you’re Critting all thr time which is a permanent savage defense physical barrier.
Feral master race
Vs any melee, put bleeds switch to bear, gg the job is done
40k shreds? Is it for no resi target? Most dmg comes from rip and bite, def not shred..
Cata and Mop was the best pvp expansions hands down with great wpvp.
world pvp on servers with 99% to 1% Faction balance? haha
@@thamysticog3966 well , thats not really on blizzard , people have change and have optimized the fun out of anything
Any plans for 2s/3s comp tier list?
Thanks for the vid! I’m hyped for Cata because it was when I really started getting into PvP. I would love to see a 2s and 3s comp tier list at some point!
I'll be honest, I don't fully agree with this tier list. Shadow priests are okay, but like in retail they're just a target dummy without a dispersion that heals. Marksman and feral are S tier, ferals break roots when shapeshifting and marksman dominate the ladder with oneshots, good defensives and crazy cc. Moonkin is A/B tier because the consistent damage is not that impressive, even if you dot everything. I think arms and rets should be swapped aswell, rets are just "pop all cds and do insane dps" but when wings and guardian are gone you don't do alot of damage. Warriors dish out consistent high crits and have very good cc aswell. Other than that it's a decent list. Not hating btw, I love your vids, just saying what I think. Have a nice day :)
Ferals cannot shift roots in cata only resto Druid
nice feedback, what do you think about mages?
@@Keylandors frost and fire are very very good in cata, they have a fire blast stun, stunbreak with blink and very solid damage. Id say fire is better in 3s/battlegrounds and frost is better in 2s, and can also do well in 3s and bgs but a little bit worse than fire does. Hope this helps :)
guess stunbreak with blink was also in wotlk, anyway ty@@Gerritson
@@Keylandors frost and fire are very very good in cata, they have a fire blast stun, stunbreak with blink and very solid damage. Id say fire is better in 3s/battlegrounds and frost is better in 2s, and can also do well in 3s and bgs but a little bit worse than fire does. Hope this helps :)
Can we do a tierlist for rbg’s homie?
Can’t wait!
stuff like blood dk was really good at the start of cata, pretty sure we still had armor pen on that patch before it was removed, but 4.3.4 they are pretty much RBG shot callers or holding points etc. Won't be very good for arenas, now that everyone knows how to kite and avoid them.
We'll be getting rated battlegrounds again, can you do a video on team comps, class rankings?
Pleasant surprise seeing Supa do a vid on this!. Excited for cata, hope we see some tourneys with some OG's in cata classic!
As a DK main back then, I must say that DK strength really matters on what patch we are talking about. Frost is S tier while Hungering Cold is instant, after it becomes casted frost becomes an RBG spec. UH S tier while Necrotic Strike is good but after nerfs it becomes warrior support. By the end of the expac when Rogs & Mages get their leggos the class became almost unplayable. I remember we literally stacked resilience way over the cap and frost mages would still deepfreeze+frostbolt oneshot you if you had no CDs. Ill give one disclaimer, i might just have PTSD from Dragonsoul but that is also the patch it will be played on? Blood DK is a Tyrant only vs Physical DMG, you can't get vengeance from magical DMG as I recall, and mastery is also only physical dmg shield.. Still the most fun version(I didn't play MoP) of DK that I have played. Both Runes and Runic Power were amazing, compared to today. Pretty much the reason I don't play DK much these days. #DKRework
I was looking for a comment like this. I think the nerf to Hungering Cold was unfair, even though it was needed I think they should've looked at a different way of nerfing it imo. I do understand the nerf, it being 1 min cooldown while also being instant aoe cc is crazy while also doing dot damage. I think what should've happened if they wanted to nerf it was done it in 3 potential ways, making the cooldown longer at 2 minutes and leaving it instant or shorten the cast time from 1.5 seconds to 0.5 seconds while making the cast time 1.5 minutes and lastly, making it the same as it is was but castable while moving. Being locked in place while casting it and if you get interruptep it locks you out of all frost abilities for the duration of the interrupt really sucks for a melee based class.
@@IzNebula I like the CD idea, 2 mins would also alight with trinkets. Might be the best to make it un-interruptible, so people can still react to the cast but you can't get shutdown with a kick.
This is very accurate. Played dk to 2800 season 9 and after the nerfs war/ferals would regularly double my damage in some games. Mind you Necrotic strike is partially why
I think you talk about high rating arenas, because Ele Shamans and Surv Hunters are awesome in BGs
One of the patches Frost DK was one of the most blatantly OP specs the game has ever seen. It was a mid expansion patch, can't remember which one, but it was completely unkillable and pumped out insane damage with Frost Strike.
4.1 and it wasn't mid expansion. It was the end of the first season. They nerfed it with Firelands release 4.2
Dual wield or twohanded?
Dual wield or twohanded?
I mained enhancement and it’s was crazy good
I have two memories that stand out for me from Cata.
1) Raiding as Moonkin just absolutely obliterating the DPS meters on trash packs with mushrooms+starfall+hurricane
2) Playing marksman Hunter in PvP. This was one of my favorite versions of Hunter ever. Good burst, good mobility, great Cc. Using the monkey pet to have a blind Cc felt great.
Hurricane in pvp yes ok bro go to sleep imo :o)
hunter should be S tier
Iam watching this now for the 5th time .im going to try stealth rouge or cat 😊 pvp for life
Because of Ghostcrawler, PVP in cata was amazing
Prot pally needs some love on this. i had some 20 minute arenas where it would come down to me and a blood Dk and we just couldnt kill eachother. The damage isnt as regular a Retribution but ill take the survivability with some burst anyday. 2-3 people to bring me down.
I been playing Cata on private servers and I have to disagree with some picks. I know that you are picking classes based on 3v3 arena but overall MM hunter and ferals are S tier. Shadow priest I don't think it belong in S tier and boomkins either. Holy paladins are way stronger than disc. Disc is quite weak in Cata.
I agree 100%, everyone else has feral, hunter and sub rogue in S tier.
This is quite a controversial tier list.
How are arms warriors?
@@Prophacyxin 2s they are strong specially in the first season. In 3v3 they struggle a lot cause of CC. The problem is that the classes you will face the most have all tons of CC and mobility like fire mages, MM hunters, ferals, rogues
@@Prophacyxa good step down from earlier... in vanilla, tbc and wotlk arms is one of the strongest dps specs in pvp, in cata it's probably one of the weakest melee. rogues are better, ferals are better, dks are better, rets are better.
Why shadow priest doesn't belong in S tier?
which racials are the best?
Ele shamans in cats were fun af, massive earth shocks and casting whilst running
I'm debating on shammy or boomy as a first caster toon!
Would also like to try these two and offspec heal
This guy doesnt really know what hes talking about with ele, casting lb while walking was soo strong, we also get the insane burst with earth shock and lava burst, also ancestral walk and ascension making you a fucking lava burst machine gun while moving was insane…
ascendence is cata king@@Magetastic69
With boomy mage and afflic how is the survivability ? Had a terrible time in wotlk against the heavy melee teams preg dk etc
Was rolling ret/enhance/disc on Beta a good bit. I think Enhance is probably the biggest sleeper spec in Cata especially seeing all these Tier ranking videos people are putting out. Consistently seeing them in B-C tier. I think Enhance has a chance to be A tier when played properly. I think the only class I lost duels to on beta was really good mages and rogues as well. We are way harder to kite with the amount of outs we have (Sham Rage cleanse, Earthbind out of roots, Frostbrand/Shock root, Ghostwolf, etc.) Hopefully I'm right!
Ah the boomies. I remember queuing up arena and facing a team of boomies just to get facerolled with all the crazy damage they did.
wait on cata classic we gonna use ds patch? thought this only happens on private servers, can you confirm?
16 mins.
Perfect.
finally !
I feel hpal should be in s tier and feral druid too. Cata was my most played exp by far 2400 in 3's as hpal, which by todays standards is whatever but man I'm so pumped for cata.
Nah 2400 back then was hella good. Put some respect in ur name boy! Also what comp did u play
Yeah ive always been around 2400/2500 wotlk-mop as frost mage and i remember feral was a fucking nightmare. i would just sit outside in Durotar and only duel ferals to get better at fighting them lol.
Question.. when they release classic expansions do they release it patch by patch? Like does cata come out exactly how it did with broken classes and mechanics and they patch it later or does it come out with a more streamlined end product?
No they will most likely release the same way they did with Wotlk, so end of content talents and mechanics, only the gear will be from 4.0 but everything else will be from 4.3.4
I main dk i'll definitively play cata :)
To those whom did not play cata : tanks when they get hit they build up stacks of vengeance to increase their damage. This makes tanks so strong in pvp. Not sure if they implement 4.3 where this was nerfed. Also numbers of buttons are at all time high especially for boombkin. So many buttons I had to do 8 full rows. Finally the dominating combo at 4.3 is lock shaman rogue. Especially when rogue had legendary daggers.
Vengeance will not exist in cata classic since it's released in 4.3.4 it was gone by then
its 4.3.4 patch balance.
Yea that won’t exist in cata classic. And also, at least in arenas, nobody with any skill would make a tank the kill target so it’s irrelevant anyway.
Prot Paladin is really broken in Pvp, Gear correct and you can't simpel die matter what in Pvp, you do good dmg if you gear like Retri paladin.
Cant wait for dragonflight
In CATA they took away the up-front damage of Devouring Plague and it pretty killed SP
Damn this sucks. When did they make DP strictly a DoT spell?
No, that was MoP
Cata is where Prot Warrior really switches to it's support role with CC/Utility. They dispel Hots/buffs/shields constantly which is annoying. They also can shut down casters with 2 siliences, 1 ranged. Have insane mobility 2 stuns, spell reflect and Intervene is huge. Prot War can play with any set up comp that has burst since that is what they are lacking. A good Prot War can go far and has the tools to do so.
I miss recoup, don’t miss redirect clunky unnecessary mechanic on an already keybind heavy class for arena. I do miss combat readiness. Also miss old shadow dance and the stealth abilities hitting hard rather than Eviscerate spam. I also miss hemorrhage. Cata and mop sub rogue the best expansions for rogue no contest. There was so much more room for outplays and recovery or being able to flip a duel rather than whoever gets opened on first loses. Tbh was a lot more room for outplay for most classes but rogue really was something to behold. You couldn’t pay me to watch a “duel” video now days
said a lot of words to say that rogue was busted
I can't wait to stack mastery on frost mage and boom people.
i kicked ass as resto druid
Anyone know how gearing is in Cata? Hate classic gearing still. Wrath included. 2 months just to get BiS for a not amazingly high rated player.
Much better in cata. Maybe best ever, only behind mop. Basically no pve required, arena points catchup and fast honor from bgs.
@@joshyman221 maybe there’s hope for me playing classic again!!
@@joshyman221i remember legendary staves and daggers dominating along with dragon soul trinkets, but i don’t know what the meta has been on private. my experience was retail and a lot of the frustration was running into double legendary RLS
@@joshyman221 Can I have bis gear for pvp just like in mop? Or I need some pve items?
It’s great
Ret will be shit in cata classic until the catch-up to DS content, for a very simple reason. Most likely 4.3.4 talents and class mechanics will be implemented as soon as cata classic starts, which means a 10sec CD on Wog for rets (vs no cd during the actual 4.0.6 patch). The absence of Cd on Wog in 4.0.6 was to compensate the fact that the only way to get holy power is crusader strike and procs (meaning you wont generate any holy power when facing any mage type caster or any agility based class). 4.3.4 had the two tier set giving holy power through judgement which wont be the case when cata classic is released.
So basically on release of cata classic rets will have a long ass cd on wog and no actual way to generate holy power to do damage or heal, making it way weaker than in the real 4.0.6
on Frost i disagree back in the days frost dk with a 2 hand was super super op burst.
Not on 4.3 everyone switched to unh then, still viable tho
So you're telling me that rogue, mage, and warlock are all the best? This one's going to be the hardest pass imaginable for me, dawg.
Quite inaccurate tier list.
Warrior was awful in cata after the nerfs in s9. It relied entirely on one shots which were completely RNG based. Later in the expansion it relied entirely on having Gurthalak and the dragon soul trinket to deal competitive damage, but was totally overshadowed by most other specs even then. It was one of the worst classes in the game in cata pvp, if not the worst.
Am I the only one who honestly doesn't remember arms doing that great in PvP?
Arms was disgustingly op DPS season 9, not sure about the other seasons as I quit
Literally best war spec of all the add on they make war is overpowered at cata with good gear and healbot with him
Prot Paladin was excellent in cataclysm PvP. I remember them being ridiculous because they could stack vengeance stacks in PvP combat 😅
Remember watching Towelliee ?
i use to play unholy DK Enhance Rdruid at like 2700+ in cata really never had an issue ever with any comp and we just shit on all casters they almost never got to cast ever even have some videos on youtube still from the turny realm with a pally healer at like 2500 even beat some of the old MLG players with the comp
pretty sure woundman got high ranking gladiator as combat rogue in cata. I got to 2200 with it, its not bottom tier.
Sad. Holy priest in cata was a hidden gem. Unkillable.
resto druid d tier is wild
Cant wait. If retail doesnt slow down then i'll just play cata classic and pay the 80 dollars there instead of TWW.
The 2s meta wont change from years, I'am coming from and I'am playing on it for years not. That'll be disc rogue or disc feral gg wp go next #spaminstantcloneandburnggwp
I've played A LOT of cata pservs, and there's some changes i'd recommend: frost mage was def S tier, RMP was busted, and bring fire down to A, it wasn't as good as frost. Boomy, and i main druid, was prob A tier, not S. there were limted comps you could play with it, most notibly spicy chicken cleave (boomy/fire mage/rsham or disc) Bring disc to S tier, cuz... uh RMP. Hpal was Either S or A. KFC, jungle, TSG were all played with Hpal and all really good comps. Blood bring down to A or even B. At the high end, people could deal with blood dks. They were really susceptible to CC and magic damage dealers, but very tanky into phys. Ret is probably A, but definitely a competitor for S, so maybe low S tier for ret. That's about it.
How were shadow priests in cata?
Priv server lol
@@devwadehra9896I played shadow as my secondary on retail, shadow in cata is a really cool class design but it's not easy and particularly struggles in 2v2 since it doesn't do well under pressure, but in 3s with a healer or in 2s when paired with a high-control class like sub or frost mage, it can contribute to some crazy CC chains and has awesome utility, and the burst damage is nothing to sneeze at when it's set up properly.
what do you think about feral and enha shamy, i donk know which to play :( enha or feral druid
@@PolskiSuzeren would you consider shadow S tier in 2s or 3s playing with a mage or rogue or a healer like a resto shaman or resto druid in 2s and 3s?
hunt and feral are s tier in cata
I'll be making enemy's again...lots and lots of them.
Guys i have one question, how it works in cata is it like in wotlk when you would need to go do pve raids to get bis trinkets and stuff in order to be competitive in pvp or you can be fine just by doing pvp activities?
As someone who have played cata for years on private servers this is not very accurate, largely depends on phase and pve items much like in wrath but id say this is inaccurate, in the patch we are getting cata on 4.3 warrior is b tier at best both in 3s and 2s.. boomy, shadow and fire are good and fun but are far from S tier u can argue feral and mm cud take their places..
Yeah, sub, mm and feral are s tier. Then prolly something like ret, fire, affli, udk. But definitely not this tier list.
Fire mage before frost mage in Cata:). Either i have alzheimer, either thats a bad tier list in some cases
CATA ele wasnt greatest in arena.
But! In BG's...... Booiiiiii 👉👌...
Only classes i struggled with were rogue ( which i got to 50/50) and feral ( for some reason bit harder than rogue) but could win sometimes. Favourite expansion to BG on ele for sure. LB, TRINK, COE, FS, LAVB, CL, LB, ES = ☠️ To most classes
i actually dont think he has played cata at all with this list XD
Can't combat rogue get like 7 second kidneys off? I remember that being a thing
Ele is literally the moat broken class in cata
... what the fuck
How can Aff be so good and fun in Cata yet suck so hard in the modern game for the last several expansions?
Because PvE raid tuning has ruined it in retail from ever being what it once was.
Did demo have metamorphosis? That shit was fun
The best thing about cata is NO FKIN DH'S! 😇🙌👏
Is blood dk viable in pvp ?
its not, this guy dont know what he is talking about... it should be down there with the prot warrior, it is mediocre in any pvp outside duels
wait what, cata players told me sub was top 1 pvp super OP spec, are u sure ?
really nice tier list , waiting uptdate with cata sooo much , ty !
It was def busted but depends on which patch. They were way better at the start or rather lots of others got buffed up by the end plus raid tier trinkets etc was make or break for some specs like warrior. MM hunter and ret pally and dk were all strong by season10 in fact you’d see triple dps 3v3. Running RLS I ran into a lot of MM/unholy/ret triple dps and they’d basically just run down your sham. Sub rogue was def the most fun in cata and mop!
Wasn't cata when chanimal would destroy people with metamorphosis? I remember demo doing really well.
Mop
demo still good in cata, people sleeping on it i think well see more of it this time around
@aic20 in pvp? As far as i remember the whole thing for demo, weather dhadow bolt or incy build, in pve was resumoning demons, becouse felguard did no dmg, but had the best dark soul, so you would only have it for the burst, how does that play style play into pvp? Destro had to have imp to do dmg too
@@poetofnoreturn7708 i could be wrong but im pretty sure felguard gets axe stun in this xpac and thats really broken plus it does the mortal wounds effect too.. that with metamorph plays i think its under rated
Idk how it is patch-wise but arms was complete garbage in 4.3, in pvp.
Frost dk B? you are funny...frost dk is S...top dmg bgs, rbgs..whit holy pala i did hit 2700 in 2v2 and, 2800 in 3v3 melee-cleave
I don't remember Shaman being that weak?
Hm..
elemental shaman in c lol XD should like A at least
bm hunter in D list? are you crazy haha...
Frost Mage A🤣🤣🤣 He is S++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
fury D tier? i wonder what swifty is thinking about this.... -365k crit video-
Ferals are S, mm is S, frost mage is S, hpal is S, rsham is HIGH A (legit highest A tier spec), aff lock is high A, sub rogue is high S and the leggo daggers make them highest S, fire mage is A. Just my 2 cents.
Where would you rank shadow priests?
@devwadehra9896 coming from maining a spriest in wotlk, i think they took a step back as far as pvping goes. I was not a fan of the shadow orb mechanic that was introduced to them. I could be wrong, but i believe they took on a more burst centered role in cata with the introduction of mind spike. Spriests dont pick up again until MoP imo. With that being said, i put spriest in the b tier range. Keep in mind, i like specs that exceed in 1v1, dueling, and world pvp situations.
@@ploopyful what makes the MoP version of SP better than cata version of SP? Thank you for answering my questions!
@@devwadehra9896 Sorry for the late reply as life has a funny way of getting in the way of things. In my opinion, spriest in mop gets better just like a lot of off meta specs for a multitude of reasons. They Finally get another def CD which is spectral guise. This move allows them to go invisible for a short amount of time. as you can imagine, this gives them both engaging ability along with some more self peel. Also, (could be wrong about this) i think their dmg profile gets tweaked again with more focus being on shadowy aparitions which helps. I just dont think spriest should ever have a bursty format to them.
@@ploopyful thank you for your reply I see in the MoP data for patch 5.4.2. that their shadow form damage mitigation was changed from reducing all damage done by 15% to SP and it was changed to shadow priests gain 100% more armor while in shadow form. Do you think this change would be a nerf or a buff to their survivability in MoP?
sry bro but Moonkin is not S-tier. you lieing to your viewers. Moonkin is B-tier.
Blooddk is maybe good in 1v1 but thats all and no one care about 1v1. clearly D-tier when it comes to arena
Shadow Priest is good but not S-tier at all. its a decent A-tier
MM-hunter is very high S-tier one of the strongest specs in the game most of S-tier combs like Junge, PHDK und Thug have a hunter for a reason mm hunter is broken in Cata but very hard to play
Feral druid is shares a spot with sub rogue they are even good both S-tier for sure
Ret pally is good but not S-Tier is high A-tier.
sorry but i dont agree with this tier list im playing cata on p-servers for some time now
LSD 2.0
lol survival way higher then D tier, its at least A tier
I don't agree with a lot of this lol. Theres a reason there's a lot of people commenting with strong feelings about how inaccurate this is. no offense.
Druid = Tier S.
any advice fresh private server wow?
Bdk in s tiers ? Wtf
1. Do you have to PVE to PvP?
2. What is happening to our classic characters when classic ends?
1. Depends on ur class (most classes have 0 pve requirement until dragonsoul). And 2. Noone knows sadly.
lmfao ele is s tier,what are you smoking
I dont see Evoker there.... Which mean i will not play it.
You're joking right?
where's my broken DH?
Its a shame that cata requires so much raiding to be viable High end Arena :( Would otherwise have played it (again) I loved playing Warrior and SP.
Funny.. cuz both classes u mention requires absolutely 0 pve until dragonsoul.
@@rbzgodx2346 funny... did i say sp and warrior required so much raiding? Theres reasons why I played those...
Whats the problem then? In s9 its literally only feral really requireing pve stuff ?
Come play with us 🥰
Supatease, u maybe need to play on Cata before make a Shit tierlist. :o) Holy pal B tier ahahah
Ya bro because all the random 1500 players on private servers with patches that wont be the same as classic cata are going to be so much more accurate. Nobody plays season 9 gear in season 11 balance.
been playing cata in private servers for serval years...puting enhance on C is redicilous...im sorry dude but that thing belongs to S while boomking and shadowpriest are not S tier mainly cuz of sub rogue and feral dudu which trash them nonstop..
This video clearly show how a "pro" player may have a not-so-accurate opinion. Cata's Affliction one of the most fun? Have you ever tried playing 2v2 arena as Affliction in Cata? It's an absolute infuriating experience. You can't kill anything with minimum healing by yourself, too many new Heals/Hots/Shields combined with DoT damage being reduced way too much after Wrath.
In before the "balanced for 3s" BS.
Either Supa wrote the WarcraftTavern article on this exact topic and used it for a script for this video, or he just read that article verbatim and this is an extremely low-effort video, OR whoever writes content for WarcraftTavern is lazy as hell.
I thought i was going crazy until i checked it myself, i was googling this topic and saw the article first so yea kinda scummy to reuse content even if he wrote it himself
Worst tier list I think I have ever seen, you literally just lobbed this out to make your $50
Ret was horrible after the WOG nerfs
guardian didnt exist in cata. Still baked into feral. Guardian was introduced in mop
This is too much at S tier. I can’t take it seriously
Cata hype! Cata hype! XD