Nice vídeo man! Just want to say that rpm and the motor matters too. Theres a lot of machines with 3.5mm that are more Powerfull than some 4.0mm machines. And there are some machines with 3.5 that run like a 2.5/2.8 machines. All things matter. 🙏🏻
I use the axys valhalla pen.. you can change the strokes in like 2 seconds with a twist of the machine... It's amazing I love this machine so much and it gave me the chance to learn quickly witch stroke I like the most for each technique I use !!!
Great advise. I like to use the 4 mm for lining as most of my clients have tough skin. ( I am in Costa Rica with lots of suntanned skin) unless they are tourist from other countries who have soft skin. Glad you said many times about being careful not chewing up the skin and about it healing.
I've only ever used coils, and just got a DragonHawk Fold pro as a gift. Really excited to get to know this bad boy. Thanks for the vid and the comments.
Love the vids. only one disagreement... STROKE is the full movement of the needle's reciprocation, and THROW is the hang out of the tube tip. For example, you can have a 3.5mm stroke and throw the needle 2mm. Keep up the great vids!
Your videos are very clear concise info m8.. guys who are new in the game can learn much from you and save em selves learning by error. Although I did half an apprenticeship, which taught me enough, the studio.. as many do, were using me much more than teaching me, I got wise to it (beware guys.. make sure they're not just gonna use u).. we fell out, quite dramatically on the shop floor 😂😂.. however, I learned the business backwards.. hygiene/avoiding contamination etc, preparing stencils, bookings/deposits & consultations etc etc.. plus I realised quite quickly that bar one artist in the shop, they were all dreadful, and without sounding big headed, I kinda new that once I learned to tattoo, I'd be better than them. So.. if you have artistic/creative ability and drive and dedication.. you will succeed.. clients will come, if the works good, more will come. Regarding stroke/ throw/give.. learning g with s coil helped alot.. thectransition to direct drive Rotaries wasnt an issue.. infact, I love em from the get go.. no more hand cramps/hands feeling like they'd been plugged into the mains after.. I still love Coils, but my hands dont 😬.. I find a 4.2 stroke on the Edge X is great, i really do t find it much more dramatic than the 3.7 cam if I'm honest.. bit more punchy but I've never chewed anyone up with it. The Xion is MUCH better (black n grey, and especially portrait) with the 3.7 stroke cam.. the 3.2 is just to soft.. a 4hr tattoo would become a 5+ hour tattoo on the 3 2. The 3.7 is smooth and def makes a difference with this machine. Not the machine in general though for those who wanna all round work super quick.. but if your about quality super smooth shading.. the xion is great once you find your sweet spot. The give thingy ain't really necessary.. I bought into all that jazz for a while. But it's a minor shift, almost dampened the hit a lil in my opinion.. you hand can do the give for you.. learn this, pay attention, dont go to heavy to fast.. and you'll be fine.. The Cheyenne sol nova Unlimited... absolutely great for ease and an all rounder.. however.. I do still prefer the Xion for super smooth shading.. seems to layer it up a lil better.. but the work I've done over last few months with the sol unlimited has healed absolutely amazingly.. over time.. you find your own way.. I've owned cheap coils.. well made coils.. magnetic system machines.. Direct drives, and various pen machines, with various strokes and give systems.. they all produce good tattoos.. Put the hours in.. gain the experience.. dont expect not to make some mistakes, you will and in that you learn. PUT THE HOURS IN. DEDICATE YOURSELF!! You can learn loads from guys like Oliver.. not many artists are willing to share in depth knowledge n tricks they picked up along the road.. Note.. if your creative, but not an artist.. stick to bold traditional or geometric, dot work, etc.. please dont say yes to doing a portrait.. that is a skill you just cant buy.. that, is a god given talent.. and even that takes time to understand when working with grey wash ink that heals 30% lighter than in the application.. so, all you pen n paper portrait artists.. dont think you can just slip straight into this.. if you have the talent, you def WILL be able to do portrait tattoos..once you've learned the ropes.. drawing on paper is completely different to skin. Good luck 😉👍
Man bro your comment helped me very much! I needed that comment right now and was very important to me. Asked all over with no answer! Smh. …. Pertaining to the Xion machine, with the 3.2 and 3.7 stroke. And the give setting that you can adjust. I’m also new to tattooing, been constantly and consistently non stop practicing for about a year. 5 months on fake skin and for the last 6 months started off of myself doing up my legs and thighs. Then onto some people these last 4 months. I’m told I’m pretty damn good and people don’t believe I was self taught from watching people like Oliver. But I put in so much time and effort on myself and trial and error. Lucky not too much error lol. But I just recently purchased a new machine lil upgrade for me, and it’s just like the Xion. It’s a Bronc V7. I’ve heard allot about it and how similar it is to the Xion. Yes even tho it’s Chinese made, but it’s what I could afford and many artist told me it’s just as good as Xion. Just wondering your opinion and wanted to ask about the machine. Does the give actually work? Is the 3.7 cam so different from a 3.7? My previous machine was 3.5 Mummy. (No give/different cam option) Can I still achieve light shading for black and grey with 3.7 cam in. Cause I can’t pull good lines with the 3.2 😖 What’s the proper voltage for this machine? Says don’t put past 7.5 volts. How many clicks does your machine have on the give setting? Mine has 16, is this normal? Does it even notice much of a difference from hard to soft?? Is this machine good for black and grey realism and reliable machine? Thanks man ahead
I've always used a 3.5 stroke for everything. I've been curious about the 3.7, 3.8 and 4.0 strokes, but after feeling the difference on my skin after being tattooed with a 4.2, I do not want my clients to endure more pain than they need. So 3.7 will probably be the furthest I'll ever go.
Funny thing is I've switched to 5.0 some months ago and neither me on myself nor my customers noticed more pain. Actually bright colours and white bleed less sonic am wondering what I am doing differently. Cheyenne Sol Nova unlimited 5.0 is what I am using, 90% of the time in steady mode.
Always you are The Best tattoo Artist to me.. I'm learning a lot of things day after day from you bro.. Really so helpful advice for me / us.. Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
i use the new cheyenne thunder direct drive 4mm stroke the serie before sol terra i love to use this one for black and grey and liner's and she works nice for color packing to but i prefer to use inkjecta flite nano for coloring back with 3.25 mm stroke i feel comfortable with inkjecta in my teqnique of color packing on blending and layering colors how i want
lots of people use 4mm for everything does great shading too 3.5mm is not good for line work its for shading and color only with 4mm u just need to move hands faster to shade with and use bugpins so dont cause dramma to skin as much
Hi. I have been using cheyenne pen with 3.5 for soft shading . Its just great machine for realistic work. Now i switch to sol nova its also 3.5 but i find a big difference. Everything just go so smooth heal perfect very easy to use machine. I also do a lot of linework and im using the thunder 4.0mm . Nice balance and power. I could never do line with the pen that have the quality of the thunder. Nice video keep going ✌️
Hey bro you need to check out the Axys Valhalla one machine it has adjustable strokes on the fly it features 5 different strokes ! Pretty nice built machine super smooth and the grips are twice as affordable as most machines of its style love your videos tho keep it up bro !
I use a mast flip pen. And when I first got it I was told to use my long stroke for shading a short for lineing.. after seeing this I'm gunna chang it up
As always another great video. Missed you when you were at the MK Tattoo Convention. I've been using the Dragonhawk Extreme X2 recently over my older Stealth 1 (Prefer Armature over Direct). With the adjuster dial you can change the stroke and hit of the needle. It's a decent machine that gives good smooth lines, shading and packing.
i dont know if you already know, but i heard you mention about the coil, now speaking of the coil. since you said about rotary, the longer the stroke the harder it hits, the better for lining and the shorter the stroke the softer it hits, the better shading and packing. why tho the coil machine works in oposite, like, if its long stroke its good for packing and shading, and the shorter stroke it is good for shading, they said, is it correct or what?
Man!! There again I've always been using the 0.25mm and your right!! It's too soft for the linning sometimes depending which part of the body^^ can't wait to order the 0.35's!!! Bra you're a LEGEND 🙌🤝🤜🤛🏾😎🙏🏾💯
Watched ever video you made I'm a huge fan & we have a similar style so your videos are the best..thanks for the exclusive advice & Blessings your way mate
I am now using the packer wands for everything that I would usually use my Fantom for, plus its packer and stipplings jobs. So I bought the bigger cams to see what else I can do with the Fantom.
@@nicolaspennel3896 , Yes all of the wands line well, and i feel the packer is better than the shader.. I assuming the liner lines well, cause I don't own that. I do find the packer to be a nice all arounder. I have seen some people say it's not suitable for doing shading but i have a light touch.
@@christopherdorazio1705 wow thanks so much for your quick answer. I'm not that into lining stuff, mostly in micro-realism, but deperarely looking for a machine that allows me to be faster and not passing 1000times on the same shades/lines.
Great content ! Thanks ( loved the one on dissecting artists ) I have a proton equalizer which is great for shading but for lines not so great - thinkning might be stroke ( my mate has a cheap italian rotary which does lines much better ) but the equaliser and that machine have the same stroke 3.5 .... does the proton have more " give " ? im all confused. And for #8 3rl linework which is better long or short stoke ?
thank you for vidz...been followinyou for while now and you have truly helped me improve my skillz....appreciate it !!! keep em coming.. lmk how to support!
I like what you said, everything you said is gospel bro I found this out on my own by trying different cams , I currently use 3.5 mm for most of what I do.
I got this Chinese 20 dollar Chinese machine on which you can select from 1.8 to 5.5 mm. And it works unbelievably good. Also tell me how to shade with a magnum if you are stuck with a 5 mm cam
Bishop Fantom 3,5 stroke a good choice for me ... realy nice shading! Do you have tips for Body parts where it is difficult to place the arm to guide the needle ? Your videos are super helpful 👌🏼
Hey there. Well, I started like most artists to Line with a Coil Machine. I was using a Power Liner and 9rl Needles for my first few tattoos. Since the average smallest Needlegrouping for this kind of machine was stated as 9rl you can imagine how easy it was to get those bold and crisp Lines into the skin. After switching to a Rotary Pen (Spektra Xion GG) it was like starting over completely. Even lining with a 5 rl wasn't as easy as the 9rl with the Coil machine. But it's all a matter of getting used to it. Now I'm using the 3.2mm stroke to shade and line. Or if I'm having bigger Linework to do, I'm switching to a 3,7mm stroke just to get a better Punch and it doesn't need as much pressure to get the ink in. Having 2 different machines helps, since changing the stroke everytime you switch from lining to shading and back is way to much effort and you can't keep things sterile. I hate to adjust anything during the tattoo, that's why I switched to a rotary pen. 😅
I do everything with a 2.5mm stroke (cheyenne hawk spirit) I can do lining shading, color packing. I think the stroke yes it's more easy do to something you want to do example lining with 4.00mm stroke but you can easily do it with a 2.5mm stroke
@@OLIVERAYRE In your video THE BEST TATTOO KIT FOR BEGINNERS you "buy" the hawk spirit with 2.5 mm stroke... I personnaly don't have any issue with the healing process of my tattoo BUT i'm not at your level of work, i'm not a beginner i'm I could say intermediate in tattooing i'am not a master. SO what is for you the best stroke for heal well ? (sorry for my english i'm french)
Hi Oliver, I'm a great fan of your videos. I've learned a lot from you. I recently purchased my first profesional tattoo machine, the Axys Valhalla. It's an Incredible machine and I like how its easy to switch the stroke from 2.5, 2.9, 3.4, 3.8, and 4.2 mm. It'd be awesome if you could try this machine and make a video about your opinion.
cool cool ! i’m using direct 2 as it is my fav machine cus it is closer to a coils. anyway the cam i’m using is with 2.8mm and i do sometimes color packing with it... it works for me, which probably is not the most right thing but as i said it is fine for me!
@@OLIVERAYRE thanks, it very interesting information, because hear only from you. I'm from Ukraine. And max in our work 3,7....i have dragonfly 1, new rotary pen with 3,2 and a coil machine where i twist screw to switch hard and soft hit on different quantity of needles
What stroke would be best recommended for stippling? I seem to be struggling with doing stippling with my equaliser which has a stroke of 3.5. Would anyone have any recommendations?
I use a 3.7 cam for my xion, I’ve noticed a huge difference between pepper shading and stippling at 3.7 from 3.2 Which is the standard cam on my Machine
your videos have helped me so much on technique i have a 3.5mm and its a cheap machine but works like a dream you are a badass brother thank you for the tips and tricks
goat so give on a machine allows the machine to soak up some of that resistance every time it penetrates the skin, it gives a bit of spring to it so it hits softer if the give screw was loosened, and if it was tightened up, it would hit with no give and harder. I personally think having the give screw tightened is the way forward! It’s a lot easier to achieve what your trying to achieve with a tattoo without having to worry about give,. Also if your shading for instance and you have a lot of give on the machine, and you finish the tattoo. And when it heals you found it didn’t heal as nice as you wanted it to, it’s because with give on a machine it hits soft and in reality not allowing the ink to go where the ink needs to be. So for me no give or just a tiny turn of the dial is the way forward!
Great video bro I just purchased a cheyenne thunder and have not been able to use it yet what it does have a 4mm stroke i know its great for lining do you think 4mm is good for color packing?
Can you pack color in with a 4mm stroke as well or do you prefer a smaller stroke and when you change the stroke of your machine to a 4mm do you run the voltage the same as the 3.5mm or since it hits harder do you turn the voltage down or up thanks for your great videos
Oliver can i ask you for now j just practice on fake skin and my machine and power supply is a crap i have been offered cheyenne hawk spirit and sol nova with cheyenne pu1 so as a specialist what is your opinion which one to choose for a newbie and do you think both machines are fine for lining, shading,packing thank you love your videos.
I just started using the Chyenne Thunder gives great lines 3.5mm,& I just started using the Chyenne Sol Nova Pen 3.5mm stroke for shading with the Chyenne Power Supply & it has made my work at least 35% better
Cheyenne Thunder has a 4.0 mm ! I use it for all my linings and it works great. But I want to try the Sol Nova pen, too. I had a Stigma Speat pen. But that was to long.. so I sold it. And use a Spektra Halo 2 with a 2,8 stroke. This machine runs so smooth and quiet.. I really love it.
Need to look up Carson Hill and his waveform study on the strokes of coil and rotary machines and how the complete cycle of the needle in and out of the skin compares. Basically after studying high speed film he found coil machines hit the skin and get right back out for one cycle. Rotary machines actually lag in the skin a bit. Rotary machines with give lag in the skin a little more. Obviously the less time the needles are in the skin the less trauma they cause. Led to the development of his neuma 4 pen. Not his spokesperson or anything but very interesting and the pen tattoos way different than any other pen on the market. The feedback he has received is phenomenal. Carson Hill. Neuma tattoo machines. Check him out.
Yo I’m a big fan of your work and I been following you since the first couple of videos here on UA-cam.. I currently have the bishop wand Shader and I have trouble doing one solid line passes and packing in solid black I’ve been doing lettering & B&G work would the bishop Packer do the trick?
Love you’re videos i have a question about the stroke i had just purchased the cnc x we plus and i love it now it came with options to change the stroke from harder or softer i was thinking about going to a softer stroke now if I do am i going to have to change the voltage when going to a lighter stroke or is my hand speed going to have to change or should I just experiment on my leg
Soft and hard It’s about the give. The stroke it’s different tho. You can have 4.0 with softer hit ( give ) or 4.0 no give ( hard hit ) But there’s no such a thing as softer or hard stroke mate
Long stroke hits the cervex wall
hahahahahaha
only with a 9 mag and up , a 3rnd long stroke will traumatize the client
@italo romero I find the longer stroke can knock the cervex sideways!
I broke the cervix. Too aggressive
We know. And so does your mom
Again, you're awesome, the way you talk is so much nicer to listen to compared to some other people giving tattooing advice on youtube.
Keep doing what you’re doing you are basically my teacher you helped improve my work x10
i like how the advertisements that come out are all related to strokes(heart strokes and aneurysms) lmao
Nice vídeo man! Just want to say that rpm and the motor matters too. Theres a lot of machines with 3.5mm that are more Powerfull than some 4.0mm machines. And there are some machines with 3.5 that run like a 2.5/2.8 machines. All things matter. 🙏🏻
I use the axys valhalla pen.. you can change the strokes in like 2 seconds with a twist of the machine... It's amazing I love this machine so much and it gave me the chance to learn quickly witch stroke I like the most for each technique I use !!!
Same as stigma stylist
volt voltage do you run for whip shading with 2.5 stroke?
I use 4.2 stroke for lines, packing ando shading, but i use a click grip to set the deepnes. :)
Great video! I use a 4mm stroke for lining and whip shading American Traditional tattoos!
Great advise. I like to use the 4 mm for lining as most of my clients have tough skin. ( I am in Costa Rica with lots of suntanned skin) unless they are tourist from other countries who have soft skin. Glad you said many times about being careful not chewing up the skin and about it healing.
I've only ever used coils, and just got a DragonHawk Fold pro as a gift. Really excited to get to know this bad boy. Thanks for the vid and the comments.
how is it
Love the vids. only one disagreement... STROKE is the full movement of the needle's reciprocation, and THROW is the hang out of the tube tip. For example, you can have a 3.5mm stroke and throw the needle 2mm. Keep up the great vids!
I like a 3 to 3.5 for standard lining, and softer shading, 3.5 for color layering (realism/painterly styles), and a 4.2 for solid color packing.
always have about a 2.5mm throw and never ride the tube.
@@ryandearringer2787 how much would you say is 2.5mm?
@@jorge56188 the small notches on a standard ruler are mm. 2.5mm is about the thickness of a quarter, give or take a little bit...
1mm is about the thickness of a dime.
4.5 has been my go to stroke but this video has opened my eyes a bit. Thanks
Thanks bro you brake it down perfect for me I'm a new artist in the tattoo world and you help out a lot thanks again
To shade with a 4 mm tattoo machine i drop voltage down to 4.5 v to 5.5 v it works smooth.
Your videos are very clear concise info m8.. guys who are new in the game can learn much from you and save em selves learning by error.
Although I did half an apprenticeship, which taught me enough, the studio.. as many do, were using me much more than teaching me, I got wise to it (beware guys.. make sure they're not just gonna use u).. we fell out, quite dramatically on the shop floor 😂😂.. however, I learned the business backwards.. hygiene/avoiding contamination etc, preparing stencils, bookings/deposits & consultations etc etc.. plus I realised quite quickly that bar one artist in the shop, they were all dreadful, and without sounding big headed, I kinda new that once I learned to tattoo, I'd be better than them. So.. if you have artistic/creative ability and drive and dedication.. you will succeed.. clients will come, if the works good, more will come.
Regarding stroke/ throw/give.. learning g with s coil helped alot.. thectransition to direct drive Rotaries wasnt an issue.. infact, I love em from the get go.. no more hand cramps/hands feeling like they'd been plugged into the mains after.. I still love Coils, but my hands dont 😬..
I find a 4.2 stroke on the Edge X is great, i really do t find it much more dramatic than the 3.7 cam if I'm honest.. bit more punchy but I've never chewed anyone up with it.
The Xion is MUCH better (black n grey, and especially portrait) with the 3.7 stroke cam.. the 3.2 is just to soft.. a 4hr tattoo would become a 5+ hour tattoo on the 3 2. The 3.7 is smooth and def makes a difference with this machine. Not the machine in general though for those who wanna all round work super quick.. but if your about quality super smooth shading.. the xion is great once you find your sweet spot. The give thingy ain't really necessary.. I bought into all that jazz for a while. But it's a minor shift, almost dampened the hit a lil in my opinion.. you hand can do the give for you.. learn this, pay attention, dont go to heavy to fast.. and you'll be fine..
The Cheyenne sol nova Unlimited... absolutely great for ease and an all rounder.. however.. I do still prefer the Xion for super smooth shading.. seems to layer it up a lil better.. but the work I've done over last few months with the sol unlimited has healed absolutely amazingly..
over time.. you find your own way.. I've owned cheap coils.. well made coils.. magnetic system machines.. Direct drives, and various pen machines, with various strokes and give systems.. they all produce good tattoos..
Put the hours in.. gain the experience.. dont expect not to make some mistakes, you will and in that you learn. PUT THE HOURS IN. DEDICATE YOURSELF!!
You can learn loads from guys like Oliver.. not many artists are willing to share in depth knowledge n tricks they picked up along the road..
Note.. if your creative, but not an artist.. stick to bold traditional or geometric, dot work, etc.. please dont say yes to doing a portrait.. that is a skill you just cant buy.. that, is a god given talent.. and even that takes time to understand when working with grey wash ink that heals 30% lighter than in the application.. so, all you pen n paper portrait artists.. dont think you can just slip straight into this.. if you have the talent, you def WILL be able to do portrait tattoos..once you've learned the ropes.. drawing on paper is completely different to skin.
Good luck 😉👍
Man bro your comment helped me very much! I needed that comment right now and was very important to me. Asked all over with no answer! Smh. …. Pertaining to the Xion machine, with the 3.2 and 3.7 stroke. And the give setting that you can adjust. I’m also new to tattooing, been constantly and consistently non stop practicing for about a year. 5 months on fake skin and for the last 6 months started off of myself doing up my legs and thighs. Then onto some people these last 4 months. I’m told I’m pretty damn good and people don’t believe I was self taught from watching people like Oliver. But I put in so much time and effort on myself and trial and error. Lucky not too much error lol. But I just recently purchased a new machine lil upgrade for me, and it’s just like the Xion. It’s a Bronc V7. I’ve heard allot about it and how similar it is to the Xion. Yes even tho it’s Chinese made, but it’s what I could afford and many artist told me it’s just as good as Xion. Just wondering your opinion and wanted to ask about the machine. Does the give actually work? Is the 3.7 cam so different from a 3.7? My previous machine was 3.5 Mummy. (No give/different cam option)
Can I still achieve light shading for black and grey with 3.7 cam in. Cause I can’t pull good lines with the 3.2 😖
What’s the proper voltage for this machine? Says don’t put past 7.5 volts. How many clicks does your machine have on the give setting? Mine has 16, is this normal? Does it even notice much of a difference from hard to soft?? Is this machine good for black and grey realism and reliable machine? Thanks man ahead
I agree with you. 4.2-4.5mm for lining and whipshading is top.
I've always used a 3.5 stroke for everything. I've been curious about the 3.7, 3.8 and 4.0 strokes, but after feeling the difference on my skin after being tattooed with a 4.2, I do not want my clients to endure more pain than they need. So 3.7 will probably be the furthest I'll ever go.
SilEn Monharck1 I was tattooed with a 5.0 stroke and it definitely hurt more!!
Funny thing is I've switched to 5.0 some months ago and neither me on myself nor my customers noticed more pain. Actually bright colours and white bleed less sonic am wondering what I am doing differently.
Cheyenne Sol Nova unlimited 5.0 is what I am using, 90% of the time in steady mode.
Always you are The Best tattoo Artist to me..
I'm learning a lot of things day after day from you bro.. Really so helpful advice for me / us..
Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
I recently got the Spectra Xion and am excited to experiment with the longer stroke cam
I recent bought the Bishop Wand Packer with a longer stroke of 4.2 very nice machine but keep volts down as it does irritate the skin quickly
Oliver mate you're bloody legend
i use the new cheyenne thunder direct drive 4mm stroke the serie before sol terra
i love to use this one for black and grey and liner's and she works nice for color packing to
but i prefer to use inkjecta flite nano for coloring back with 3.25 mm stroke
i feel comfortable with inkjecta in my teqnique of color packing on blending and layering colors how i want
I use the cnc q2 for everything, has a German motor 3.5 stroke, try it man
lots of people use 4mm for everything does great shading too 3.5mm is not good for line work its for shading and color only with 4mm u just need to move hands faster to shade with and use bugpins so dont cause dramma to skin as much
Another informative vid, kudos man. Only tuber I let the ads run there entirety for to help support.
my man! thank you mate!
Hi. I have been using cheyenne pen with 3.5 for soft shading . Its just great machine for realistic work. Now i switch to sol nova its also 3.5 but i find a big difference. Everything just go so smooth heal perfect very easy to use machine. I also do a lot of linework and im using the thunder 4.0mm . Nice balance and power. I could never do line with the pen that have the quality of the thunder. Nice video keep going ✌️
Different motor in sol nova. Stronger.but itc softer on the skin.these german guys are genius
Hello brother I'm beginner. Wich stroke is better for shading 4mm or 3.5mm thanks
@@cesarrodriguez6669 on the begining 3.5 lis in the video is all rounder than with the knoslege you can move to 4.0
Loving the channel 😃 I’m a new artist and I’ve learnt alot from your videos, I’m using the dragonhawk pro fold
Hey bro you need to check out the Axys Valhalla one machine it has adjustable strokes on the fly it features 5 different strokes ! Pretty nice built machine super smooth and the grips are twice as affordable as most machines of its style love your videos tho keep it up bro !
Dude your timing is so 🎱. Was just thinking about this but couldn't put it into words. Your Geometry is dope btw.
Dude ive been using the bishop wand liner with a 5mm stroke which is crazy but it works great
Ive got that rotary stigma that u show on the photo and another pen. 2 coil ass well.. im tattoing a 2 years.. bless u guys
Thx so much for sharing, culture of giving etc... You're wonderful!
Hey im looking for any experiences with th inkjecta’s factory 3.25mm
I use a mast flip pen. And when I first got it I was told to use my long stroke for shading a short for lineing.. after seeing this I'm gunna chang it up
As always another great video. Missed you when you were at the MK Tattoo Convention. I've been using the Dragonhawk Extreme X2 recently over my older Stealth 1 (Prefer Armature over Direct). With the adjuster dial you can change the stroke and hit of the needle. It's a decent machine that gives good smooth lines, shading and packing.
This is a great video! Loved it!
i dont know if you already know, but i heard you mention about the coil, now speaking of the coil.
since you said about rotary, the longer the stroke the harder it hits, the better for lining and the shorter the stroke the softer it hits, the better shading and packing.
why tho the coil machine works in oposite, like, if its long stroke its good for packing and shading, and the shorter stroke it is good for shading, they said, is it correct or what?
Short stroke beats up the sides like a beast
Man!! There again I've always been using the 0.25mm and your right!! It's too soft for the linning sometimes depending which part of the body^^ can't wait to order the 0.35's!!! Bra you're a LEGEND 🙌🤝🤜🤛🏾😎🙏🏾💯
0.25mm??
Watched ever video you made I'm a huge fan & we have a similar style so your videos are the best..thanks for the exclusive advice & Blessings your way mate
Man you're the best 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Thanks for the information 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Try special technique coil 10mm stroke
Bro all your vids is helps me. Great job👌
Acts Valhalla change stroke on the fly it's amazing.
Ciao... complimenti per il tuo video... vorrei un informazione....il mega magnum è giusto usare uno stroke da 3.5mm oppure da 4mm?
The edge x is a color packing beast!
Why do Cheyenne Machines usually have to run higher than for example Stigma or FK Irons machines?
All based on motor rating
@@OLIVERAYRE Please explain what you mean by this.
Another great informative video Oliver. 👍 keep up the great work. I like to stick to 3.5mm all around. Cheers 🍻
Glenwood Smith same bro!
Wich machine can I buy for an all purpose wireless?
I am now using the packer wands for everything that I would usually use my Fantom for, plus its packer and stipplings jobs. So I bought the bigger cams to see what else I can do with the Fantom.
Hi! Can you line properly with the packer? Looks like a good balance between the shader and the liner ;) thanks
@@nicolaspennel3896 , Yes all of the wands line well, and i feel the packer is better than the shader.. I assuming the liner lines well, cause I don't own that. I do find the packer to be a nice all arounder. I have seen some people say it's not suitable for doing shading but i have a light touch.
@@christopherdorazio1705 wow thanks so much for your quick answer. I'm not that into lining stuff, mostly in micro-realism, but deperarely looking for a machine that allows me to be faster and not passing 1000times on the same shades/lines.
@@nicolaspennel3896 Practice lines! the more you dislike lines, the more you must practice. :D
@@christopherdorazio1705 haha thanks you're the way of wisdom I know you're right ;)
Great content ! Thanks ( loved the one on dissecting artists ) I have a proton equalizer which is great for shading but for lines not so great - thinkning might be stroke ( my mate has a cheap italian rotary which does lines much better ) but the equaliser and that machine have the same stroke 3.5 .... does the proton have more " give " ? im all confused. And for #8 3rl linework which is better long or short stoke ?
Long stroke
thank you for vidz...been followinyou for while now and you have truly helped me improve my skillz....appreciate it !!! keep em coming.. lmk how to support!
I like what you said, everything you said is gospel bro I found this out on my own by trying different cams , I currently use 3.5 mm for most of what I do.
I got this Chinese 20 dollar Chinese machine on which you can select from 1.8 to 5.5 mm. And it works unbelievably good. Also tell me how to shade with a magnum if you are stuck with a 5 mm cam
Name of the machine and where u got it thanks ?
Thank you soo much for the good advices and explanation. Which Printer for Stencil you can recommand? Is a 150 bucks amazon printer enough?
i think so mate, i use the HP 250 office portable INKJET
@@OLIVERAYRE Did you stencil by hand? Or how do get your stencil done?
thank you so much for this video :D
helped me very much, i use the halo 2 from fk irons with the 3.5 mm stoke
I was under the impression that “throw” was how far you let your needle hang out of the machine, or needle depth to be more specific
Thank for take your time and share your knowledge bliss and bless
Bishop Fantom 3,5 stroke a good choice for me ... realy nice shading!
Do you have tips for Body parts where it is difficult to place the arm to guide the needle ?
Your videos are super helpful 👌🏼
Hi bro the bishop fantom with stroke 3.5 is good for packing color.?
Hey there. Well, I started like most artists to Line with a Coil Machine. I was using a Power Liner and 9rl Needles for my first few tattoos. Since the average smallest Needlegrouping for this kind of machine was stated as 9rl you can imagine how easy it was to get those bold and crisp Lines into the skin. After switching to a Rotary Pen (Spektra Xion GG) it was like starting over completely. Even lining with a 5 rl wasn't as easy as the 9rl with the Coil machine. But it's all a matter of getting used to it. Now I'm using the 3.2mm stroke to shade and line. Or if I'm having bigger Linework to do, I'm switching to a 3,7mm stroke just to get a better Punch and it doesn't need as much pressure to get the ink in. Having 2 different machines helps, since changing the stroke everytime you switch from lining to shading and back is way to much effort and you can't keep things sterile. I hate to adjust anything during the tattoo, that's why I switched to a rotary pen. 😅
Just found your channel 👍
I do everything with a 2.5mm stroke (cheyenne hawk spirit) I can do lining shading, color packing. I think the stroke yes it's more easy do to something you want to do example lining with 4.00mm stroke but you can easily do it with a 2.5mm stroke
No LastName I don’t like 2.5 tattoos heal like shit
@@OLIVERAYRE In your video THE BEST TATTOO KIT FOR BEGINNERS you "buy" the hawk spirit with 2.5 mm stroke... I personnaly don't have any issue with the healing process of my tattoo BUT i'm not at your level of work, i'm not a beginner i'm I could say intermediate in tattooing i'am not a master. SO what is for you the best stroke for heal well ? (sorry for my english i'm french)
Hi,I can,t find cams for inkjecta nano of 3.5 or 4 mm,can some body help me please?
not only stroke matters but also Give
Great video again
Thanks so much🔥🔥🔥
Hi Oliver, I'm a great fan of your videos. I've learned a lot from you. I recently purchased my first profesional tattoo machine, the Axys Valhalla. It's an Incredible machine and I like how its easy to switch the stroke from 2.5, 2.9, 3.4, 3.8, and 4.2 mm. It'd be awesome if you could try this machine and make a video about your opinion.
Do you still use the Valhalla? Would you recommend it? I’m having nothing but problems with mine.
Bro did u tried to colour pack with the 4mm inkjecta cam? How does it work for u?
cool cool ! i’m using direct 2 as it is my fav machine cus it is closer to a coils. anyway the cam i’m using is with 2.8mm and i do sometimes color packing with it... it works for me, which probably is not the most right thing but as i said it is fine for me!
ti funziona perche non usi una macchinetta a penna.
Love this guy 💪🏾💯
sorry i a little bit don't understand . on what stroke you do color and blackwork? thanks for answer
Светлана Кулинич anything long stroke mate, so 3.5mm and above!
@@OLIVERAYRE thanks, it very interesting information, because hear only from you. I'm from Ukraine. And max in our work 3,7....i have dragonfly 1, new rotary pen with 3,2 and a coil machine where i twist screw to switch hard and soft hit on different quantity of needles
What stroke would be best recommended for stippling? I seem to be struggling with doing stippling with my equaliser which has a stroke of 3.5.
Would anyone have any recommendations?
The larger the better 4.0 or more.
There’s a 5.0 out there. Just be careful cus that’s a beast n hits like a mofo. Lol
I use a 3.7 cam for my xion, I’ve noticed a huge difference between pepper shading and stippling at 3.7 from 3.2
Which is the standard cam on my
Machine
your videos have helped me so much on technique i have a 3.5mm and its a cheap machine but works like a dream you are a badass brother thank you for the tips and tricks
Excellent info as always. Thanks man!
Thank-you for the tutorials you do really helpful bro
Greeting and salutations. Hope all is well. Do you use the give screw on the edge x?
not really mate, it doesn't make that much difference, like the stroke does
My understanding with the give open would help with better saturation when packing blacks and colors. Tightening the give would help with shading
goat so give on a machine allows the machine to soak up some of that resistance every time it penetrates the skin, it gives a bit of spring to it so it hits softer if the give screw was loosened, and if it was tightened up, it would hit with no give and harder. I personally think having the give screw tightened is the way forward! It’s a lot easier to achieve what your trying to achieve with a tattoo without having to worry about give,. Also if your shading for instance and you have a lot of give on the machine, and you finish the tattoo. And when it heals you found it didn’t heal as nice as you wanted it to, it’s because with give on a machine it hits soft and in reality not allowing the ink to go where the ink needs to be. So for me no give or just a tiny turn of the dial is the way forward!
@@OLIVERAYRE yup
More rpm is better por worst?i see machines from 6000 to 11000
But for shading and lining what are the sweet spot for both?
Thank you sir Oliver! More powers!
Which machine would you suggest me to buy im confused between bishop wand shader packer or fk iron spectra or inkjecta flite nano please anyone reply
Quite accurate! Thank you!
Great video bro I just purchased a cheyenne thunder and have not been able to use it yet what it does have a 4mm stroke i know its great for lining do you think 4mm is good for color packing?
yeah it would pack in well, but be super careful not to do too many passes!
OLIVER AYRE Thanks for the advice bro you motivate me to get better keep it up bro you have a gift 🤙🏻💪🏼
2.8 on direkt2 for soft shading and 3.25 on inkjeckta for lining and shading
nice that man!
What's the best stroke for whip and stipple shading?
Can you pack color in with a 4mm stroke as well or do you prefer a smaller stroke and when you change the stroke of your machine to a 4mm do you run the voltage the same as the 3.5mm or since it hits harder do you turn the voltage down or up thanks for your great videos
Hello Oliver what supply buy EIKON EMS 420, Critical CX-1 or Cheyenne Hawk PU I??? am beginer
hi.what can use for lining,shading and color packing strokes?thank you.
Thanks man. Helped me a lot 🙏
Oliver can i ask you for now j just practice on fake skin and my machine and power supply is a crap i have been offered cheyenne hawk spirit and sol nova with cheyenne pu1 so as a specialist what is your opinion which one to choose for a newbie and do you think both machines are fine for lining, shading,packing thank you love your videos.
I just started using the Chyenne Thunder gives great lines 3.5mm,& I just started using the Chyenne Sol Nova Pen 3.5mm stroke for shading with the Chyenne Power Supply & it has made my work at least 35% better
Cheyenne Thunder has a 4.0 mm ! I use it for all my linings and it works great.
But I want to try the Sol Nova pen, too.
I had a Stigma Speat pen. But that was to long.. so I sold it. And use a Spektra Halo 2 with a 2,8 stroke. This machine runs so smooth and quiet.. I really love it.
@@isicat5112 u will be surprised how soft sol nova is with that 3.5 mm stroke almost silent.no vibration.itc a future machine
@@vadims331 thanks a lot for your answer. Ohh great and nice to know.
If I only have a 3.2 & a 4.0, which one would recommend
That’s my problem. I got 3.2 and 3.7 but I need a stroke for black and grey realism and some lining
I just brought a pair or rotary machines and im confused as to which one for lining and which is for shading...or do one machine can do both?
Need to look up Carson Hill and his waveform study on the strokes of coil and rotary machines and how the complete cycle of the needle in and out of the skin compares. Basically after studying high speed film he found coil machines hit the skin and get right back out for one cycle. Rotary machines actually lag in the skin a bit. Rotary machines with give lag in the skin a little more. Obviously the less time the needles are in the skin the less trauma they cause. Led to the development of his neuma 4 pen. Not his spokesperson or anything but very interesting and the pen tattoos way different than any other pen on the market. The feedback he has received is phenomenal. Carson Hill. Neuma tattoo machines. Check him out.
Dan Trueblood interesting
What needle cartridge to use for the bishop fantom?
I use for shading 3.2mm,for lines I use 4.0mm.
Thank you for the content
Deff diggin the vids. U should do more reviews of cheaper machines. Like from red scorpion
Is the edge x softer hitting than the inkjecta? Can you elaborate?
Sir I'm useing stelth3rotry machine
What cam for a colour packing???? Same 3.5 ??
Yo I’m a big fan of your work and I been following you since the first couple of videos here on UA-cam.. I currently have the bishop wand Shader and I have trouble doing one solid line passes and packing in solid black I’ve been doing lettering & B&G work would the bishop Packer do the trick?
Love you’re videos i have a question about the stroke i had just purchased the cnc x we plus and i love it now it came with options to change the stroke from harder or softer i was thinking about going to a softer stroke now if I do am i going to have to change the voltage when going to a lighter stroke or is my hand speed going to have to change or should I just experiment on my leg
Soft and hard It’s about the give.
The stroke it’s different tho.
You can have 4.0 with softer hit ( give ) or 4.0 no give ( hard hit )
But there’s no such a thing as softer or hard stroke mate