Bauhaus and the birth of Goth. The Goth Rock origins of Daniel Ash and David J Guitars = GOTH BROTH
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2023
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Bowie, Clash, Iggy, Ramones, Siouxsie, Bauhaus...all part of my musical journey (I hit my teens in 1978)...70s and 80s were a musicy wonderland. I have even come to appreciate, enjoy even, prog rock! Your videos are good fun! Thanks.
You may like the Adam and the Ants video I did
You have one of the coolest yt channels ever
You could do a series of the darkest and heaviest music you've ever heard for October. Goth, Industrial, extreme metal, music that actually pushed the boundaries of music back in the day.
I appreciate your musical versatility and detailed insights. Your voice sounds really good in that dark stoic goth style.
Love all those "old", janggly Brit tones. Almost hearken back to Hank Marvin and the Shadows with sort of spooky surf undertone. The Cure, The Smiths, etc...all used various layers of Fendery goodness to great effect too.
Being born a decade later I never knew about that story and it's such a cool story! Thanks for telling it!
cheers, glad your back and keep them coming
Would love to see a Sisters of Mercy vid. Specifically covering the First Last, and Always record and the evolution of the Doktor Avalanche brands/tones. Keep up the great work! While your posts can be few and far between, they never disappoint, and I'm always looking forward to the next one!
Floodlands drums are RX5, SPX90, and a drawmer gate. The only question is, which reverb setting on the SPX, plate, hall, or room?
@@replaceablehead Thanks! I knew they changed up a bunch of gear with the lineup/producer change, but never dug deep enough to find out. I'm pretty sure drums were an Alesis HR16 prior to that, but I could be mistaken.
@@GloomTombProductions don't know about the Alesis, but the original doctor was a Boss DR55, then a DMX and then the RX5 I believe. Of course some of the sounds were sampled onto and AKAI sampler, but the snare on Floodlands is the RX5 snare with a gated reverb courtesy of the SPX90 and a drawmer DS201 gate.
@@replaceablehead damn, thanks a ton for all the info!
A video on Sisters of Mercy would be an undertaking, because in terms of guitarists you are looking at three distinct phases: Gary Marx and Benn Gunn, Wayne Hussey and Gary Marx, then Eldritch with various session musos. There is also the constantly evolving nature of the drum sound as they used various drum machines with set sounds, and then got into using samplers.
It's one of their best songs. Nice workl
My band jams live every Sunday, we are a three piece. Bass, guitar, and drums. You mentioned the interactions between band members and you couldn’t be more right
Daniel Ash is one of my favorite musicians and singers and he is my favorite guitar player ever. Kudos on your Excellent cover of The Man With The X-Ray Eyes, one of my favorite Danny Ash tracks whether it’s the studio or the live version. Thank you for making this video on an underrated yet monumentally influential guitar player. Cheers!
Always a pleasure to watch your vids, I appreciate your views and your take on the state of modern music.
Thanks man.
I picked my guitarist purely because he was so different from everybody I’ve ever met. We had played together before and I knew he was good, however the fact he was fucking unique sold it for me.
New Goth Broth video! Thanks man!
More to come!
Yes: Id be interested in you talking /showing your old bands stuffs! Do an episode on each band and their recordings, gear, etc.
Ya do an episode on your old band
I would love to see Sisters of Mercy
Hell yes!! To hearing your old band!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Here is another great video.
Oh man…this takes me back…way back.
Thank you for bringing back Goth Broth!
A few of my notes on Dan Ash:
72 tele has factory 1 meg pots and treble bleed. You can see him making use of the treble bleed during spy in the cab on TOGWT.
Carlsbro Flanger in live footage
What appears to be either a cs505 or cs9 on the floor during the old grey whistle test. I'd love to know if anyone else sees it.
And lastly Derek Thompkins used a HH delay on the Bela recording. Derek also had a 1 x1 meter home made plate reverb with a record stylus as the pickup. Don't know if he used that plate on any Bauhaus stuff, but it seems likely.
Great info man
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Loved what you had to say about their creative process, all very true.
But just on the gear side :D did Dan mention when he started using the DS1?
I'm also curious to know what choruses he used since I'm almost sure I can see a blue CS505 in the OGWT video.
He's been using the DS1 his whole career. I double checked and it was available a few years before they formed. He didn't mention the 505 but he is quoted as using the ch-1 (that I used) in the past. Be careful with that though. Make sure it has ch-1 printed on the circuit board as the more modern boards don't sound as good.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Wow, I've gone through untold hours of photos and seen the Carlsbro, copicat, echoplex, ic100, ic100s countless times, even caught a shot of David J's ehx pedal taped to his bass, but if there is a DS 1 before 1980 they must have hid it under the stage.
I wrote the last message at work and realised it sounds a bit too sceptical. I guess if Dan said it, it must be so. Was he specific about when he acquired the DS1? The reason I'm pressing is because I knew about the DS1, I was just satisfied he hadn't used it on the first few albums, obviously I was wrong, but know I'm even more curious to know if he used it on flat field and if he ever used the sustain channel on the HH at all. Plus I own a IC100s so it will be really hard not to wonder.
Great job Owen, I really liked how you covered this classic Goth broth, What a deep dive discussion you gave us on Bauhaus, David Bowie, to your very own Season's End band. You should do a video every now and then about your band stories. Agree the bass playing is really good, also agree you will never see or hear unique, original bands like this ever again. Best of luck with the house search, this is not the best time to buy Owen rates are very high, but best of luck. The BOSS pedals seem to be a key to the Goth tone. I believe Robert Smith of The Cure uses Boss pedals a lot as well.
Ash’s guitar work on the song “In The Flat Field” is something that should be both studied and revered. I have never heard anything like it, snd think it is MONUMENTAL. An absolute wall of distortion and angst, ripping and pulling and screaming, in an actual melody.
I love his ethos of going out of his way to not sound like anyone else. I love John McGeough for the same reason
fantastic
your version is fantastic.
Thanks man
When Bauhaus headlined the Cruel Festival in 2022 it was understood that if Peter Murphy was unfit to perform that Love & Rockets 🚀 would fill in.
Win win
Would we be interesting in video on your old 1980's band? YES! 😆
As a hardcore and metalhead, it took me a while to understand goth, but I really like this stuff, I was late comer to it
I've seen Bauhaus, Love & Rockets & Daniel Ash by himself in '93. His solo stuff sounded phenomenal. I picked up an IC100 20 years later. The distortion or "Sustain" on the amp is incredible. Do you know if he was getting the higher gain tones from the amp or the DS-1 for their cover of "Ziggy" & the later Love & Rockets material?
I just listened and it does sound kinda like a DS1 but a bit thicker. I'm not sure. I did a video on Ziggy era Bowie you may like ua-cam.com/video/Y2-cJadLlGM/v-deo.htmlsi=Ppnxz6w4DZD3Og8T
Joy Division would be nice I think! Also the Bass sound. Nice Episode
Good shout
@@CIRCLEOFTONE don’t forget 😁
So glad you mentioned the goth appeal in the Moody Blues. They certainly have always touched that nerve in me.
Check out my cover ua-cam.com/video/VlpdcuOThmU/v-deo.htmlsi=7n2DtStf1hJIpm7l
excellent vid as always. but as far as who started "goth rock" i would, if i was gonna pick a single one, give that one to 'THE DOORS'. i would also say yer absolutely right insofar as there are plenty of non-musical influences on various artistes and genres.
fer example 'ARTHUR BROWN' and 'COVEN' were not MUSICALLY metal but they were both a huge IMAGE influence on thangs like heavy metal. and, of course, horror and sci-fi flicks have been an enormous influence on alotta different music.
The dance-heavy aspect of goth music is interesting. It's partly because gathering in nightclubs was big part of the scene, partly a legacy of punk's rejection of 70s proggy introspection and rock-god wankery, and also a result of the spreading influence of disco and krautrock in the culture at the time.
Do the vid on your old band. Great cover. Can’t wait for the thrash. I tried to buy a Carlsboro flanger from a guy but he wanted way too much for it. Wanted it because of Daniel Ash’s tone.
We got the vanilla Valhalla sausage king himself back on the how to get copyright struck, I mean how to sound like series
As the meme says , "Bella Lugosi's dead IS freebird for goths, change my mind" lol.
Great video
Hehe. I claimed Eloise by the Damned is the Bat out of Hell for goths.
What about Gorefest. One of my all-time favorite DM bands. They created a unique sound in the 90s and had the most underrated lead guitarist in DM. Would love to have their sound dissected🤘
Red lorry yellow lorry “talk about the weather”
Brilliant video... Great singing btw & what settings for the vocals did you use? .... Oh & l loved your Damned & John McGeoch/ Siouxsies videos! Could you do one on the Stranglers & JJ's bass sound please? 🤔
Good shout on JJ. Vocals were mostly hardware: Tube mic into a Neve 1073 clone preamp (Chameleon) for distortion into a DBX 160x compressor with vst reverb added.
Unto Others is probably the biggest up and coming Goth Metal band these days. I love their music and look. So 80s but they are young.
Nice.
So sad to hear about your jacket. Hope you get it back someday.
Sisters of Mercy before First and Last and Always album.
Fuck yes to band stories!
have you done fields of nephilim? i really like the vocals
Do about ur band. Every ur vid is cool
I don’t know how to explain my solidarity with you about people who wears spike jackets and and other “punk” or “metal” clothes just because the saw some musicians wearing it or because it is cool. No one cares about the true vibe and possession in the music right now, all is about oh ok this guys wears a bunch of cool clothes with cool hairs and million patches - so this is a good band, even if this band plays copy pasted shit with no cool or original ideas. Keep up the good job with your videos.
what the name of that first song that open up, it good af!
It's the man with the x-ray eyes.
YES! Chugtember!!
Your voice sounds like Jack Grisham from TSOL on dance with me
Do one on John McGeoch era Siouxsie and the Banshees
Here you go! ua-cam.com/video/v27fuv856HE/v-deo.htmlsi=WVMfxMRyYOeLVoFb
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
How’s the neck/back? Looking healthy brother!
Much better. In the gym as we speak haha
What area are you thinking about moving to?
Nashville 😏
Whenever I hear Daniel Ash speak I hear Nigel Tufnel 😁
So true
Yes! Old band video would awesome.
Your cover sounds a little like a PiL vibe 👍
Nice. I did a video on Banchees era John McGeough you may like ua-cam.com/video/v27fuv856HE/v-deo.htmlsi=H5LcomcMUzlnr8Wm
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Before john peel was a guy that must be considered: ivo watts-russell who believed in this fab-four. long live bauhaus!
Yep I think i mentioned him in the video but as the label exec that believed in them. Amazing foresight.
Go in to Virgin Prunes 🎸 📣⚡️⚡️⚡️
I THOUGHT THE LANGOLIERS MAY HAVE GOT YA...but nope, here you are.
They eat space and time but my timing is too progressive for them.
You should do F&L&A era Sisters of Mercy tone. I wan t to hear your cover
This is really bugging me. I've scrolled Tumblr till my eyes are bleeding and I just can't understand how it's possible to have so many good photos of the flanger, copicat, the stage, the amps, everything, and yet not a single glimpse of the DS1. Here is one of the better videos from the Old Vic Theatre 1982: ua-cam.com/video/XWm1xAomBzc/v-deo.html
You get many excellent shots of the flanger and some pretty good shots of the entire signal chain. The guitar cable goes into the flanger and off towards the amps. The copicat is pretty clearly visible and although admittedly you can't see everything, there also doesn't seem to be anywhere for a DS1 to hide. It doesn't seem to be on top of the amp and we can see most of the floor. Also, if he was in the habit of putting it on top of the amp, like Jon Klien's gaffa taped BF2, we'd see it in one of the many photos of the amp that are online. I just can't believe there isn't so much as a dark blob in a photo that could even be a DS1. The closest is the blue thing that looks like a CS505 in the OGWT video.
Was there a pedal switcher visible because there is a famous photo of his boss pedalboard which is a couple of feet wide haha. Perhaps the pedals visible are the ones he manually adjusts during the performance.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE well who knows, but I just can't get over this one. I've been searching a for Bauhaus era photo of this DS1 for three years. I've searched through the Way Back Machine, I've looked at photos of magazine pages on eBay, I read an entire biography on Derek Thompkins and I have never had a pedal as elusive as this DS1. I know he had it Love and Rockets, there is a picture somewhere of that. All I can think is that it's on the floor rather close to the amps and he was in the habit of always putting it in the same out of the way spot.
It's kind of like a UFO.
Anyway, I feel like a total obsessive asking this, was there any ambiguity at all in what you asked Dan and what he told you? What exactly did he actually say? I swear I will never buy another pedal again and will dedicate the rest of my life to actual creativity if I can just know for sure that this entire time it was nothing but an orange boss pedal.
@@replaceablehead my question to him was what did you use on Xray Eyes and he said it was the tele, hh and ds1. But I have a picture of him holding a pedalboard with the ds1 on it if that will help your mania haha
@@replaceablehead BTW when he uses Distortion for the most part it sounds just like a ds1
@@CIRCLEOFTONE Are you talking about the photo from a few years ago with a whole row of boss pedals on a narrow board? I've seen him with a DS1 post Bauhaus, that was what started my search. I own an IC100S, and I've had a DS1, so naturally I was curious to know which he used during the Bauhaus era. My conclusion after many long nights was that the DS1 was purchased sometime after Bauhaus and was used around the time of Ball of Confusion.
By putting a treble bleed circuit and 1 meg pots in my Tele and rolling the volume back I was able to get the naturally dark Sustain channel on the IC100 pretty close, although I still felt it was a touch too dark. I A/B'd against the DS1 and felt it was too woolly and that the Sustain channel was a touch closer, but we're talking about the difference between say a Distortion plus and a DS1 in terms of the difference in sound, both are hard clipping distortions.
The trouble is it's not so much the tone I care about as it is the subversive notion that it was a boss pedal. That's what I'm dissatisfied about. It's like Derek's home made plate, there is just something incredible about doing so much with so little, so if it's true I want history to know it.
I'm probably the best front person I know. Look, attitude, and deep dark voice. My daughter is a better songwriter.
How to be pretentious today? Say that you identify as it / they / them / the emperor Napoleon? Or by saying f*** that sh** and be called a fascist in return? I think nowadays all barriers have been crossed and it's hard to top anything really. People should just focus on making a good music instead of overcomplicated riffs and going excessively technical - this relates to another problem - live gigs right now sound like sh**! I'm not sure if it's caused by crappy sound technicians, riffs being so complex that all you can here is a hum, low tuning or maybe bands can't play live anymore. What's you take on this? Anyone has similar experience?