Why Smurfing CANNOT be fixed
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
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An in-depth look at why we have smurfs, how the smurfing market works and what reasons people smurf for.
0:00 | Introduction
0:42 | Part 1 - Ego smurfing vs Dad smurfing
5:10 | Part 2 - How the Smurfing market works
9:30 | Part 3 - Smurfing Illuminati
14:43 | Part 4 - What Riot's doing about smurfing
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5 kids and still waking up deciding to play league is biblical level martyrdom
It's just switching from 5 crybabies to 9. Not much of a difference.
@@sirploko bloody well played
@@sirploko True, raising kids is exactly what has caused me to deal with league players way better. when i was younger i could never just ignore childish tantrums, now i can. it's pretty helpful actually.
@@CoffeeKitty. I have come to realise that ragers are either (1) kids or (2) adults with mental illness or an extremely stressful day.
I just refuse to believe it's something else. Pretty sure 80% is just kids though. Their grammar is mostly bad and the way they act immature as fuck makes it so clear.
@@sirploko Except with real kids that are your own you get to teach them values and raise them to be good productive people in society (hopefully if you're not a shit parent). With league players you know that 90% of the time the people in your games are either NEETS or actual kids with no social lives. Either way they are emotionally damaged as hell and use league and shitting on their teammates as their release for their shitty lives.
You know, I always knew that league players have inflated egos and a twisted sense of pride, especially smurfs, but for some reason I never expected one to admit to it so truthfully and blatantly.
Welp time to play league
He sounds like a lovely guy 🙄
i mean i smurf to boost my ego and shit on noobs (i rly need the ego boost since im a plat 4 peaker) but even if my team is brain damaged, i wont flame or tilt unless theyre toxic themselves. if everyones nice the games are better (and more winnable) win or lose
@@Lynn-iw2ds thats why u post that u just inted a gamd so l9 man
@@stonelightning8d965 "unless theyre toxic themselves", ye bro if my team is ungrateful and toxic while im trying to carry then i rly dont give a shit to win, its just one of many accounts for me and its their lvl 700 silver account that they dont care about winning on lmao
I love that first guy being in total denial about having actual anger issues lmao
"If you quit the game, that's like our peak happiness" this quote says it all
Can confirm. Getting people mad and tilted is indeed really fun : ).
@@midfidelity7180 get help
@@midfidelity7180 it's good that smurfing exists. probably keeping a bunch of serial killers in their mom's basements.
@@Ivan-wh4me i just inted a couple of games, felt quite nice
Maybe he should do that first, would do everyone a favor just saying
My favorite is when a “jerk off smurf” is getting smashed in his lane 1v1 and starts flaming the absolute fuck out of his team for it because his ego is getting even more bruised than it already was, and he can’t accept the fact that he’s still getting shit on even in two ranks below his own.
I did this to a riven yesterday and it felt like bliss
"hi , im a smurf" in pregamelobby
smurfs just have egos, which is super cringe, when in reality no one cares about some random plat 4 playing in a silver game.
Yeah I agree but I think they don't care how people on the outside look at it, all they care is how they'll perceive themselves. It's all come to low self esteem imo, they have to feel they're the best by matching themselves with players with lower knowledge at the game than they do.
To be fair, there isn't much difference a plat 4 player and a silver player. The plat 4 player can easily get smashed by a silver player. The problem is when a Master tier player goes play in gold
@@Pyrrha_Nikos with smurfs que that doesnt really happen anymore unless that gold player is getting their account played on
@@acraze2287 100% agree on that. I just mean that a plat smurfing in silver doesn't really stand out. It looks like a silver player having a good game
@@shai310 i think they still want to be perceived well by others, it comes with the low self esteem. although they obv are doing it for selfish reasons, they are also seeking validation from others. if you have ever been in smurfs que it is actually not possible to have more toxic games lol, with everyone thinking they are the best and should be played around.
Imagine wasting $5 or more just to be able to type shit, run it down and ruin somebody else's experience in a videogame just because you aren't able to find joy in anything else in life
That's just sad...
2$
Mentally not stable most probably, he waste his time money and to nothing but shit
"[...]because you aren't able to find joy in anything else in life" this is why we do it. Because you reply with this cringe and start malding in game. There are many joys in life like going for a walk in the park, eating a good meal at a restaurant, going on a date, hanging out with your friends, drinking, getting a good night's sleep, going on vacation. Inting is just one example like the rest. I don't always int but I always do it when my team is annoying. If I have people like you in my team who try to act like a boss and call shots I afk farm sidelane, if I have someone who doesn't follow my calls (I don't follow yours because you are low elo) I run it down. If you ping me in lane I run it down, if I ping you to come scuttle and you don't then I will run your lane down.
@@MementoMoriGrizzly "you reply with this cringe and start malding"
that projection was beautiful
@@mytoe5000 even if you do it for free you are sad af
Dong, you discuss your topics so thoroughly within 1 video each that I fear you'll have no content to rely on soon :D Other youtubers would've milked each of those topics for 10+ vids each, but you're the Man of this platform. Thank you.
@9ine9ine1ne stoopid its an exaggeration
Seems like your milking him hard lol.
i know u mean it as a complement but u propably scare the hell out of him
Dong is really black indeed
Milking it is the way to go tho tbh you get to cover more aspects, maybe even some new info you got after your video was posted, you get more views and you can give your viewers a much more information n such.
Jesus, that first guy gave me chills. He gets off on causing suffering. Imagine how he acts in real life when he is around weak and helpless people.
He even said he is a real chill guy in person. Which is obviously nothing but bull-crap, obviously. You can easily detect the lie in the tone of his voice. The guy is just a sociopathic bully who enjoys trampling on those weaker than him.
Wdym? He is the weak and helpless guy in the real world 😂
@@95shagginwagon67 exactly bro they have to feel better about themselves so they just shit on new players or people who don’t play 1 million hours a day
Bro he was quoting he plays in low elo to stroke his ego + he's still pisslow.
Lol at least he was honest about it unlike the guy after him that pretended to have noble intentions. Drinking game idea: Take a shot every time he says "I'm a dad".
This video is NOT sponsored by Turbosmurfs.
Hi everyone, so some people were upset that I was promoting a smurf seller in my last short. I wanted to address some of the criticisms and concerns.
1- This is a video that I’ve been working on since December of last year. It’s really hard to get a trusted Smurf vendor to go on record and be transparent. Astro and Flow was a pleasure to work within that regard. I made this video because it was something that had been requested a lot and because it was something that I had found interesting myself.
2- You’ll notice that there have not been any sponsors on my last two videos, this is because I recently left my agency. I put a Bitly link because I know from experience that whenever I even mention someone in one of my videos, their business or stream can grow anywhere from 10-500%. This info is valuable to me as a creator since I have to now negotiate with brands myself.
3- Because we know that this video will help TBS they have agreed to donate a portion of their profits to the NAMI Foundation, a charity for mental health. Although smurfing does have a pretty toxic side to it, I do actually think that TBS makes it a little less so with their policies.
If you have any questions about the video feel free to join my discord, I’ll be doing Q and A after every upload on the server from now on for the 1st few days of the upload.
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That's great and all, but why mention their names at all? Would they not speak with you otherwise?
@@coolboy9979 probably our guy here took the money and didn't expect the backlash. Making the video about charity with a referral link just makes me want to puke!
@@LupinLuu you're so dramatic, what if so? Who the hell cares? Just enjoy the video like everyone
it´s the internet, there will always be someone who is mad....
@@Azurac_lol
Because this is basically a 10 minute advert for scumbags. CLAIMING these people are donating to a charity with no proof is sketchy, that's why it's a problem. Let people criticize freely and don't just shrug and accept.
The fact that you made a mental health fundraiser in conjunction with this video is pure gold :D. Those are some seriously sick dudes, and not in a good way.
Defending smurfing is like defending a pro soccer player going into playgrounds with kids to play with them. It poses a moral dilemma that is impossible to break out from:
If you pull your punches, you probably won't be having fun and the enemy team will still have a ridiculous hard time trying to win because of how much you know about the game that they don't.
If you don't pull your punches, you are essentially beating up kids and removing any chance of them winning.
Most people defeding smurfing do it from the smurf mentality: It's just one game in an ocean of thousands of games, it won't matter in your gaming year in the long run. Well, guess what, some of us can't play more than one game per day, maybe even one game per week, and having that single moment of "escaping reality" ruined by "010938xFioramaster18gg" really sucks.
Nobody wants in on a game that says "hey, there is a chance that you can't win this round". If you were to offer anyone the chance to play a game they can't win from the get go, nobody would do it.
yeah but smurfs don't care about your feelings
Unless you're a woman and get defeated by high schoolers
@Hugh Jass ??? Wtf are you talking about lol
@@thexorode It was a joke about the US women's soccer team
Yo I get ur point of view. I'm of those who don't have daily time to play league. I usually play only on weekends and that if I'm at home if not, no luegue till next weekend and so on. Years ago I started thinking seriously about ranks but then I realised it was not for me. You need time and dedication if you ever want to succeed in any goal. That was not my case: nor time or dedication(the 1st game after 1 week-break feels weird. 2 weeks later even more XD).
So I moved to ARAM and that's the place I've been enjoying since then.
Aram community can surprisingly be the best part of LoL. Ppl getting involved in reporting toxic/trolling behaviours. We once ff-ed and made the enemy team win cuz one mate got crazy and afked(yep, on aram).
I made lots of buddies there and also got the luck to call few of them friends. That's why I am saying Aram community is the best of LoL
Just a theory but these bot accounts contribute Massively to on paper player growth which looks really good on paper which is why riot isnt trying to hard to clear them.
For example if the bot accounts make, say 1 million bot accounts a month, thats a million extra accounts on paper that the company to show to the higher ups.
Bot accounts don't buy anything so playerbase inflation in itself won't help their revenue which is what they work for, more revenue.
@@SuperMortalix Bot accounts don't, but buyers of these bots often do.
@@MrQlzqlzuup Makes sense =)
Lol no, it is because people that buy these accounts end up spending money to outfit it for themselves. People have got to stop this idea that executives are idiots being fooled by such simplistic nonsense.
ive recognized long ago that theres not competitive integrity in many video games given smurfing, flaming, inters, boosters, wintraders, etc..
so at this point the more important thing to do is to maximize the amount of fun you can have in these games, seeing as there will always be someone that wont be the same skill as you and trying their best
If you just improve or just try having fun, the game is still pretty good, just ignore the trash.
If your joking around having fun don’t play ranked that’s the only advice I can give. Your asking to be harassed if you do that especially in league. If people don’t like your pick your a monster lmao.
@@CrityCrit just do /ignore all at the begging of every match and turn off both chats in game settings. I have done it 3 months ago after YEARS of being flamed (jungle main) and the game finally started to feel fun.
Hackers too. Indeed bro good stuff
I played one game of ranked and wanted to quit immediately because of the flame. It's incredible how people act.
Just mute
@@ZoroBr7684 its still fucking tragic how toxic league is. muting obviously solves some issues but its amazing that things are this bad to begin with lol
Fun fact. If you think you can just jump in ranked games, then you have to know that you are a liability to your team.
I bet you also like to try out new champs for the first time in ranked?
@@orbitrons6731 the thing is. Even though it's toxic. Why let it affect you. It's just a game. Ur not being paid. Hell you're losing money. It's not a chat heavy game. just disable chat like me and be happy.
Like, are you that weak? Will you let others decide what u can or cannot do? Bruh play the fucking game. Are you been flamed? Get better! Fuck what others think everyone plays differently. There's no absolut way to play. That's the fun.
You know whats even sadder when you think about it?
it makes sense why a smurf gets over offended when you call them out on there ego. What else do some of them have? Not all smurfs but some genuinely dont have anything but league of legends to look forward to in there life. No family, no irl friends, no relationship. All they have is league.
Such a pathetic way to live, this is why I don't feel any envy towards higher tier players
You’re not wrong, the only thing in life is being good at a game which half the human population don’t give a fuck. They have no talent outside the real world so they sit in the only thing that give them ecstasy in life, by ruining beginners players games. Because they have a sad miserable life.
@@douchebaggio FoggedFTW2 is an example of a chill smurf player. He is also a Grandmaster Tryndamere OTP who is well-known to be one of the top-most hated characters because of how toxic and unfair that champion is. And yet, there was never a time you see him rage or get tilted. He doesn't even bully other players even if he crush them in lane. The guy just stays silent in the all chat. The only time he types is when it's really important for winning the game. I do believe he only smurfs for content for his fans and nothing more. If he can help it, I wholeheartedly believe that he rather not smurf at all. This is an example of a smurf who is really chill in real life as well because he doesn't feel the need to bully other people to feel better. He has enough self-esteem in himself to know that as much of a great player as he is, that doesn't mean you can make other people's lives miserable.
@@Seyanoo the saddest thing is imagine what they could do if they dedicated their time and energy to anything irl the way they do league.
They could have talents. They could have friends. They could have families. But they're stuck in a vicious cycle. We call it addiction.
I recently made a new account on league, and I was honestly shocked how the skill of players I was going up against, majority were a lot better than me, and they were some difficult games. I can only imagine what it is like to be genuinely new to the game.
i went on to have 20% WR on my first dozen games. that's all you need to know
I once encountered a smurf, back when I made a new account to help a friend, and he was flaming our team hard saying "jg why cant you gank you ****!!!" "what are you doing here adc" (spamming question mark ping) and when I tried to help, he spammed and then flamed us all, I went in and told him "chill and that everyone is new here" somehow he didn't realize that, continued the behavior, so I went to all chat and turns out all of them were smurfs, but surprisingly enough they were all chill none of them were sweating probably, and they helped report, but I yet to receive the notification that he has been banned.
As someone who has multiple smurfs I don't think the existence of smurfs is objectively a bad thing. What I DO think is bad is the ridiculously overinflated ego smurfs have. The whole "Lul trash hardstuck plat my main is GM 500 LP" If you're smurfing, you need to understand that you can't expect the same things out of a gold/plat/diamond player as you would a master/grandmaster/challenger player. Yet they do, which is why they're so needlessly toxic.
That's like a high school AP calculus student expecting middle schoolers to know calculus then getting mad that they don't when they haven't even gotten to that point yet.
As someone who has one smurf and regrets playing it after stomping people and ruining peoples fun on enemy team and give my team a very unfair advantage I can tell that its objectively bad and I started that account to play with friends ranked, but then they changed flex Q and I can just play that with them.
I think most smurfers understand that, but just want an excuse to go off. Without the excuse, they may see what they do as a problem. But if they have a reason to be angry, they can justify it and say they dont have an anger issue
Imagine a 2000+ chess player feeling powerful for beating a 1000 opponent... pathetic
This. Last night I had an Elise jg who claimed to be Masters in my low Plat game. She camped our Irelia and the Irelia still got hard stomped, so we lost the game. I just pointed out how Elise's lack of capacity to adapt her game plan of "camp the Irelia" after she started feeding anyway lost us the game and she got super toxic and added me after the game to keep flaming me in dms, about how I'm shit because I have 300 games played and am still plat, and how he was right and better than all of us because he's Masters. My man got out-jungled by a gold top lane main autofilled to jungle, but his ego doesn't understand when he fucks up
@Eddy Stream thats still pretty toxic, just accept that you know what you did was right. Low elo players don't know as much what the "right" thing was. It's like a child throwing a tantrum that they lost their toy and it's your fault.
I love the part when Astro talks about mental issues and his new project about it. Yeah, I guess many of us take LoL like a space to prove urself. They talked about ego problems during games, jeez so true and sad at same time
I don't think people that purposefully grief or cheat should be given a platform.
agreed
I was hoping to get a better understanding of smurfs and maybe have some empathy. Instead, it actually doubled down my belief that the vast majority of them are just sad, sad, sad individuals. Most of the people interviewed are extremely delusional and too far gone to be reasoned with. They feel justified in their actions and "them" smurfing isn't really a problem, it's "everyone else" smurfing who is the problem, failing to realize they are part of the larger problem. This includes the so called "dad" smurfers who justify ruining other people's times because their life is just "oh so busy". That fails to acknowledge that the vast majority of players whose games they are ruining also have busy personal lives and just want to enjoy a game for the limited time that they have. I now have even less sympathy for smurfers and have an even poorer opinion of them.
@@nikolanedkov9988 I mean when you put it that way I enjoy playing mario kart on the switch and stomping other players who are likely mostly kids playing.
A fucking Men. I never played Ranked before this season and I decided I'd run an experiment just to see what it was like. My last 10 games have been complete losses because the majority of them have had some level 57 account on it with some stupid name like IllIIlIlllIlIl or pimpmaster5000 or OccasionalInter infesting the game. And even if there isn't a smurf in the game, I've had games where someone's account was obviously boosted where they were playing Rengar Jungle and literally were completely undefeated with score lines like 15/2/13 for the majority of the games. And then, lo and behold, the moment they end up in my game on my team, they go 2/8/1 and feed their ass off to the enemy Warwick. I've realized that ranks in this game literally do not matter at all when you can have shit like that happen on a regular basis. I thought normals was bad in terms of bullshit but then I realized that Ranked mode acts as a way to quarantine these assholes away from the other modes than anything else.
I remember in a plat game and there was a level 35 platinum on the enemy team who proudly announced that he was smurfing during the mid phase of the game (when they were winning) and after 20 mins our team started winning and my whole team started talking trash ("retard" "trash" and sooooo many slurs) and that proud to be smurf decided to rage quit lol
and? did you watch the video? he most likely started a new game on his new account before you even finished the game. only his 4 teammates suffered from his actions. "smurfing so helpful" i'm SURE riot could do several things to prevent smurfs but they just don't want to. 1 guy having fun, while the other 9 is either getting a free win (so fun!) or waiting for the game to end. how is that in other games there is barely any smurfs but in lol it's literally every second game. and i personally never met a guy who never had a smurf. i also had a smurf ('m not gonna hide that), although i was playing ONLY champs i didn't know how to play and i leveled it up myself. i got bored and disgusted pretty fast tho, ~40lvl.
@@thatguy5233 Riot doesn't want to do anything because these smurfs spend tons of money to do it. Simple as that tbh. It would also require Riot to actually innovate and develop something new which is never going to happen they are banking on League dying which is why they are spending all their money and resources to make new games instead of helping their main game.
@@Outwardpd i doubt that these smurfs would stop spending money if they wouldn't be able to smurf tho :P some of them would probably actually spend their money on something riot actually benefits from. i think they keep smurfs because most streamers have to smurf in order to make content and imagine if only streamers could smurf - that's just not an option. sadly, you're probably right about the rest.
@that guy see that kind of smurfing I have no issue with. It's the people paying for new accounts that are the problem
So I as a bronze player, have to suffer smerfs in the majority of my games because
1 - they are asshole that want a ego boost
2 - made life choices that mean you just want a easy game at the expense of those that want a fair game.
3- they are a company levelling up accounts so they can sell then to people that want to get a rank that they didn’t earn and just payed for.
It honestly ruins the game and one day will be one of the factors that leads to the death of the game If they aren’t careful
I’ve been in bronze for forever. Haven’t seen an actual smurf in god knows how long and honestly with how abysmal bronze is id rather play against a smurf. Least smurfs know how to end games and don’t make a match that was over at 10 minutes somehow last nearly an hour.
Dads are ruining it for everyone.
Get out of bronze. It’s that simple. If you are that trash then just quit the game.
Deutschland unterstützt dich mit dieser Aussage. Wir alle hassen Smurfer.
@@supportmalphite8769 I've had 6 Yuumi bots and 7 Taric bots in my games this week it happens most in promos. Sent a report to riot with proof all of the accounts are still active. The Yuumi bots are shameless about it they literally go for days non stop.
This is like when a game becomes a lifestyle people treat it differently.
The game doesn't stay the same, when it's used for stress relief.
Treatment of a ranked game can change it to, "How many promos are we gonna end today?"
I loved playing twisted tree, it was less confusing 3 v 3 and less damaging to your sanity. And imo more fun.
Went against an obvious smurf the other day in gold. "He" played support and had a 10% win rate or so. Then all of a sudden he started to play top and had around a 95% win rate after 40 games.
Thats not a smurf , thats an elo booster playing on their account
I absolutely lost it when I got to the lootbox part of the video. It is amazing how much microtransactions have affected the gaming world.
So my friend recently started the game, as in brand new. I've been watching her games - and literally every game so far there's been someone smurfing.
Smurfing needs to be stopped, because it's going to eventually stop new players from joining. People don't want to play the game when they picked up a mid laner, for the first time ever, and they're vs "MlG Yasuo" the smurf who won't let them even come near a minion without flexing on them.
It will never stop new players from downloading the game lmao
@@sayo2409 it will stop them for playing long therm though.
basically unplayable if you dont play with someone as a new player
@@JTS-Games Yep. Can’t disagree with that.
The reason for this is because way less new players are joining. The game is slowly dying
I get it man
Reaching Diamond means you are like one of the Top 5% of players, but it wont feel like that since you are playing against the other top 5%
So you go to a low rank matches to remind yourself that you are actually good at the game
Diamond is topn1%
Yeah but to me it's really pathetic, I think climbing and knowing you've beat players who are on your level is much more satisfying than beating players who obviously isn't near to your level. I think the whole idea of being a smurf comes from low self esteem, if you have to feel better about yourself by beating low elo players then the problem is with you imo.
Mostly they wanted to talk shit to low elo guys and they also know that these low elo guys don't even know basics they are just casually playing it
@@justindegrace2318 diamond actually 1.5% totally, but division by division they all under 1%
Its like they get stomped and hardstuck in their real rank so they smurf instead to feel validated
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I play on eu, i always had trolls in my promos to diamond most of the time someone will troll you so you don't win it, especially in earlier seasons when it was harder to get it, so when i got higher elo i always checked if someone is in promos to master, diamond, platinum and i enjoyed running it down as revenge.
You say some bull about how you "care so much about mental health" yet you breed its trouble by making the game of up to 5 people every 20 mins absolutely miserable... I wish I was in a position like you to actually be able to act and delete and report every single smurf. Disgusted by you.
How about some receipts? Scumbags
The fact that I’ll never be able to Smurf with me being hard stuck bronze 3
Smurf accounts start in bronze 2 usually haha
@@monkemarek6722 okay that’s actually pretty funny ahaha
Yeah, I played a game in silver last night and the enemy top laner had 10 cs/min. Then he posted his twitch post game. I asked him why and he said his plat account was banned. Cool man. Cool.
I feel this guy man
I wonder if the 15-20 minute queue times and lack of meaningful progression rewards at high elo have anything to do with people deciding to play on lower accounts too.
Tyler1 really put it words when I couldn’t
“I wait 35-40 minutes to play with people (probably not all at my level) who just run it down or int instead of dodging when their OTP/main gets banned because they, for some reason, would prefer to waste EVERYONES time rather than go next.” Thats super abridged for what he says lol but it gets the point across. I REALLY don’t wanna play on my main account just to spend the better part of an hour waiting in queue to just waste time. I’m not piss smurfing in silver or something I’m in diamond so I’m not curb stomping people. I just wanna play MORE games (with preferably higher quality of fun). I hate that the way the rank system works punishes you for being good if you’re in the upper ranks.
@@NotSoSerious69420 That's kind of how high elo works tbh.
The higher you get, the thinner it gets; especially when players are dropping out of queue to go to lower ranks. It be a lot better if riot laxed there system and let golds fight silvers & diamonds more often. Instead it ends up Gold 3 versus Gold 1 versus Gold 5. Challengers all get Masters, and Grandmasters in there games in equal measures.
League rewards players from Iron to Masters+ with the mentality of
"Play for yourself, you can't trust your teammates. They'll int"
Which regardless, if true, is a horrible mentality to have in a team game. You see it as you get higher in rank. It first starts appearing in bronze. The attitude of: this is a solo game. My teammates are slightly better minions.
Tyler 1, is actually one of the better people. Smurfs typically sit 2 ranks lower. Ending up with Golds in Bronze, Silvers sit in Iron. Abusing skill to ruin 9 other players time.
@@NotSoSerious69420 That system punishes you no matter what elo you are b/c it's designed to put you where IT thinks you belong and if you have the audacity to try and prove it wrong? You suffer for it. I have a few accounts, my main being in Diamond 3 which I hardly play anymore b/c of long wait times and other variables. However, my first ever league account? Has terrible mmr and I mean high silver/low gold mmr, which I've been slowly fixing, but it's taught me so much about Riot's system overall and it's garbage from a game play perspective. When the system does not want you to climb anymore it will give you less LP per win and more per loss, which I'm sure you know, but also matching you with players who, consistently, have a 48-49% wr to ensure you lose and if you manage a win streak? It will give you even less lp per win...And the icing on the cake? The tier promos. Should you, somehow, manage to defy the system and enter your promos, you will now have 3 games in a row of the most insane toxic inters and quitters you've ever seen, go 0-3 and then get knocked all the way back down to the bottom of that division having to do it all again. It took me weeks to get that account out of silver 1 despite having high cs, a minimum of 75% kp, and high vision score. I could write a book on this, but I'll spare you the rest.
@@jaobidan2358 it's because it wants you to grind. There is absolutely nothing riot wants less than for you to achieve your peak skill level in a matter of a few games and then just sit there.
It wants you to grind and feel like you achieved something again and again each time you go up even though the system is just finally slowly putting you where you belong.
People grinding up to gold/diamond and then just quitting for the season is a problem riot has repeatedly made changes to stop. They really do not like you not addictively playing game after game.
Wow this is underrated, this video should have over 100k views
Always happy to see a new dong video
Imma be honest, this video seems wants to want to make all this industry sound cool and misterious, but I can't help but think everyone involved in this except for those who are making significant money off of it are a bunch of losers. I cringe everytime I hear someone brag about how many banned accounts they had, the older the worst. Like congrats man, you called kids the n word on an online game you're so badass. My mind cannot comprehend that some people can derive a big part of their ego from being good at a game famous for wasting people's time and lives and making them miserable. So glad I made the effort to leave.
the comparison they provided of the gym after a hard day of work doesn't even fit. It felt like they were comparing newbies who are actual human beings with feelings to punching bags like yikes
Great take
"I have a good reason to smurf, I can't play the game anymore so I have to buy an account just to play.
I only do 5-6 games a day. I have a wife and kids..."
...what?
I personally play with my friends and don't play too seriously, it's super chill. I mess around a bit, experiment, and play champs that I'm looking to learn
Great channel very interesting all these documentary videos
playing this game is like being in a abusive relationship with 4 other people while 5 more people break into your house to beat and flame you
Smurfin can definitely be fixed, riot just doesn't have interest in it. Proof: there are TONS of botted accounts (playing intro bot games until level 30) and they still don't ban them even tho it would be SO easy to detect them. Not a single real person would play intro bot games until level 30, and even then, false banning 0.00001% is still okay imo.
Riot just don’t care smh! THATS the problem imho..they could fix it really easily,but rather come out with new champions 🤦🏽
Feels like watching a TurboSmurfs infomercial xD
haha good video Donger!
The "dad smurfing" doesn't really make sense to me either. Yeah sure you don't have time to play and have real commitments now, and hopping on with a friend who isn't your rank is fine. But you don't have to smurf, because you don't even have to play ranked. Just play normals, or ARAM or the featured gamemode. He tries to make it sound like "oh yeah i don't have time so it's fine if I stomp a player" and it is, but not when people are playing to CARE about climbing. It's not fine in ranked. What's stopping him from playing normals??
I run into so many rage hungry “masters” in games where they’ll throw, say they’re way better and master, and then troll or afk. So obnoxious.
I always wondered why someone who reaches masters do not aim for challenger and go for regional tournaments. It feels to me like the best option to go for if you are that good but im still high plat so I would like to hear it from a masters perspective
@@Name-bb8wo It's because they've peaked. Happens to literally every player in league when they get to an elo point where the time investment to improve vs the payoff just isn't worth it to them so they just buy a smurf and "pub stomp" lower elos like they're playing call of duty.
@@YuYuYuna_ makes sense although I know my self if I ever made it that far I would definitely shift my focus to something more serious to aim for, but I guess it's more than just going pro to many people.
Imagine playing ranked on a system that every aspect is rigged with you or against you whenever they feel like it.
Imagine even playing this game and not detox yet.
Thank you for changing the thumbnail. I actually clicked on it this time.
He's back! Yeah! The wait is so worth! You're like the closest example to a journalist I can think of. Doing the deep dive.
"Such people got bullied", yet they act in a way which deserve it. (And there is very few of it)
I feel like smurfing whilst chilling out just to counter-smurf some asshole. He thinks he's going to get an easy game because it's low ELO but he doesn't know other people are out to make him/her suffer in particular.
That guy who smurfs and says he isn't an angry person irl is capping so hard.
You can troll games and wish other players suicide and not get banned if you do it in right way. Also if they decide to flame you back then you can ticket report them and Riot Support won't even check if you trolled them or wished them suicide and they get banned and you go unpunished. This is the case what happens if they don't realise to ticket report you.
A Yone was being toxic in my game. I talked back. I got a 14 day ban and he didn't even get a chat restriction.
Wow u really got nothing else to do...
@@namelesseditor3087 That's probably because he knows bots are regulating the chat. So while he can call you ''waste of oxygen'' if you say ''eat shit'' or ''go fucking die'' you are getting ban, he is not. Especially if you know how to navigate around bots, saying ''K-eep Y-ourself S-afe'' is clearly saying KYS, but it's undetectable by bot, but type KYS and get one SINGLE report, and that's instant 2 weeks ban, perma ban if you already had been honor level 0. And it's never going to change because Riot refuses not to use bots.
Astro just got a huge reputation boost just by assisting in this documentary. Smart guy. Anyone who sees this video will buy from them if they ever need an account.
i dont really play league comp much yet but
on overwatch i smurfed for 2 reasons:
- play with my gold tier friends
- to chill, i never tryharded on the accounts, always chill, so the rank settled to where i play at when not fully trying
Great video
Your reaching out to people involved is what makes your videos so good. I respect the effort
I have 5 kids so I'm allowed to cheat...
The entitlement of parents is always amazing to witness.
Yeah such a silly excuse
First of all, smurfing is cheating? Second of all, if he wants to play with his new friends, like he said.. its not possible for his friends to reach his elo and play, so he has to make a new account, if he doesn't now its even worse with them having to play with the high rank friends mmr as new player. Surely you wouldn't want that in your own team aswell.
I know this, as I had to create a new account when I wanted to introduce my small brother to this game. I am only plat, but my normal game mmr is diamond, no way I am going to queue that with a new player, and make everyone else in my team and my small brother suffer.
So whats you solution? There is no entitlement here.
@@Nischal_Kandel idk you could also be like me, new player with 2 kids and working 70 hours a week. I play with my vet friends (lvl 180-350) I just suck it up and play the dam game. Sure I suck and hold them back a bit but we make the most of it and have fun. Ruining the game for others solves absolutely jack shit, especially when it's for stupid ass selfish reasons like that one. He uses it as an easy and convenient excuse is all.
@@Nischal_Kandel No one cares about smurfs in normal games. The mmr there is fucked up anyways and normals should be a place to have and try out new stuff. (Which sadly it isn't, because people sweat like they're still in the ranked queue) The Problem only comes when you're going into ranked games and smurf on people who are legitimately trying to climb the ladder. You don't even learn anything from playing against a smurf, because they're just so much better that it isn't comprehensible what went wrong to a bronze player when they lose. In the end it's just a dickmove to intrude in a space where you certainly don't belong for whatever reason you might have, when there's supposed to be skillbased-matchmaking.
@@itshanhan1 Based on my anecdotal experience Most smurf players are not diamond and masters on bronze, its more like silver and gold peakers in bronze. Ofcourse every rank can get smurfed on and even though I am plat, a challenger would smurf me so hard that I wouldn't even know what I did wrong, but a chall would most likely smurf in masters/diamond. I 100% agree that there are some ego players that play on ranks wayyy wayyy below theirs like hardstuck diamond playing in iron just for ego, but these cases are very far and in between. so for the most part Its definitely possible to improve after facing a lot of smurf if you look at it as a challenge instead, that's how I went from low silver in first season to low plat in second. Most smurfs are playing only a little bit below their comfortable skill level .
I have a really beginner friend, pre lvl 30, and there is always some smurfs in his games, it's a terrible experience 😢
That ending was heavy
I don't understand how "dad smurfing" is at all acceptable. If you want to paly with your friends, then play Normals. You don't need a smurf account for that. If you want to play ranked with your friends, don't. Watch them play and be their coach or something. Make them rise to your level rather than destroy the game for everyone involved. Smurfing also ruins the game for your friends btw, because they get unearned satisfaction which makes the game worse for them when you are not around. Normals are perfect for palying with friends who just want to chill. I don't get why would anyone ever defend these people. I'm also not sure how these smurf businesses can claim their morality when they are directly feeding off of negative emotions and in some encourage them in order to stay profitable by normalizing it. If a person wants got banned for toxicity, they should spend 40 hours grinding a new account. If you have kids and want to play with friends in ranked, you shouldn't play ranked because you are literally ruining the experience for others. If you are a dad, imagine your children playing League and then them being in queue against smurfs. How fun or fair do you think that is?
What a fking disaster. Anyone defending bought smurfs is just delusional. DongHuaP, I'm not talking about you. You are just a documentarian, but so many people use your content as justification sometimes and it's so sad to see.
big big big agree. Though norms wouldn't really solve the "dad smurf issue" because norms has mmr too. still big agree.
I had to scroll way too far down to find this lol. Why do they HAVE to play ranked
Man hearing these guys excuses for smurfing are pathetic lol! They honestely need to re-asses their lives and find other hobbies or maybe get therapy.
Agree
I feel like smurfing to play with a friend is fine, but smurfing to beat players worse than you is just sad
@@alex2005z Nearly everyone i know has a friend smurf, heck, even I do.
But I cannot take joy in stomping people below my skill level, and even the point of giving my friends a chance only cancels out the "kicking kids" feeling.
That and after getting a few friends who really wanted to into league (i wouldn't force them into this hell), that thing caught up with my MMR, no use playing on an account that is nearly my skill level with none of my unlocks.
I can't get how one can gain gratification from smurf stomping.
@@justascarecrow6988 I dont actually know anyone who smurfs on league, but I remember when I played bs and had to smurf to play with my friends. Either that or they would play at my level, but thats no fun for them. So I would just pick something troll and not really focus on the game
I had someone make me a bot that would insta lock nunu and snowball down mid on repeat and then queue up for the next game and continue the cycle
that’s sad
Thank you for the brutal honesty. So real.
And then there is me, who just tries to deal with ranked anxiety and tries to "re-experience" the time I started playing.
Smurfing used to be called Twinking back in vanilla, tbc and wrath. It was a fun time but it was also us gearing up entirely new characters.
Almost stupid for smurfs to waste their time playing low elo players. Just getting comfortable with easy opponents.
They’re different, smurfing comes from starcraft and is based around playing at a much lower mmr than you should be, the original starcraft player was papa smurf because nobody wanted to play against him so he made papa. Like a 2500 2v2 team queing at 1500.
Twinking is just giving a low to mid level character full bis items and end game enchants. Or “twinking” them out.
Yeah... you gearing your alt has nothing to do with smurfing my guy. You cannot smurf on World of Warcraft, its impossible.
"...and some of them dont wanna do anything except to play league all day" that last line hit me hard
i am a Challenger/Grandmaster player.
I got there by being a onetrick J4/Jax jg player for 10 years. If i am to play new champions in my elo i will get stomped. If i play normal games, again, i get stomped, because my normal game mmr is d1+ elo.
So when i play in lower elos with other champions to learn them, not only do i have a chance at winning, but because players are weaker, i can experiment with multiple approaches, combos, macro, etc; so i learn faster. This also enables me to play with friends so i don't get autofilled(which is painful as an otp)
I'll admit, it also feels good to win and be better than everyone else, but it's even more satisfying when you stomp toxic players
I'm in a Smurf queue despite my account being like level 300, it's either terrible or free wins, really weird experience.
Smurfing literally ruins the game
I think there are a few reasons for smurfing i can understand and accept
Examples would be playing on a low level account with you low level friends, so they don't immediately play against platinum players (in normals)
Making a new account to see how far you climb on a different role
What about accounts to have a good selection for ARAM?
Your content is just gold man! I really enjoy watching your channel. Keep up the good work dong!
When i smurf, i dont tryhard bc i know it can be someone that is new in the game ( i peak elo GM 300 lp this season), when someone try to flame another i usually try to teach and how them can improve.
Cool man.
First smurf talking about "It's pleasurable to see them suffer."
And this, ladies and gents, is why I will *NEVER* not send in tickets for every smurf or alt account I see, and ask for IP bans to be implemented. Because of exactly that. If that's your sole reason to play a single game, let alone buy multiple accounts for this purpose, you don't deserve to play the game. Period, full stop, you will never change my mind.
That smurf talking about being a "chill guy" yeah?
@@keomi6228 "Oh yeah outside the game, I'm a really chill guy," who just so happens to not want anyone else to be chill by going out of their way to ruin every single game they touch. Mhm, that's the one. That's *every* one.
@@AshendisTV came to this video expecting to be angry. Instead it made me sad-cringe. These "smurfs" are so pathetic lmao
@Efrain Torres, would you do that aswell for the "Dad smurf" type ?
@@xpressoo574 Yes I would, and since there's no way to differentiate between which type of smurf I come across in a game, tickets have been and will continue to be sent in regardless of reason. It doesn't matter if you're doing it to be lazy or doing it out of spite, you're still doing it and ruining folks' experiences, not to mention (and there's really no need since Riot clearly doesn't give any kind of flying fuck) it's against ToS. I don't care what your excuse is.
Did i just watch a 20 minute Turbosmurf ad ?
3:39 song name?? please do credit the music you're using for your videos
I love how the first guy just owns what he's talking about
Lol masking a blatant sponsored video of smurfs selling website with a fundraiser after a backlash is as scummy as it comes. Goodbye Dong, you were a good league content channel!
agreed
Pretty sure it was actually the websites idea to do so, they are also donating profit to Nami foundation.
I don't see type of smurf, who create accounts and plays them in order to IMPROVE.
This is something you notice with time and experience, but the truth is, once is hit some higher elo and you create new accounts, you start to see differences between those mmrs, those elos.
You start noticing things like players you play againts in those smurf accounts, they don't trade effectively for example, or they don't ward properly, they don't play with map properly and you just go and tell for ursel "oh, so maybe if i do "this" or "that" on my main account, it could help me".
In other words, smurfing can help you see things... It can show you difference and that can help you improve.
One of the biggest differences between low and high elo account, is pressure factor.
The more often your lane opponent trade with you, more agressive and effective his trades or pokes are, more pressure is created upon you.
What you as a smurf may notice, is that as you play againts low elo players, you can feel that. You can feel their poor trading, their poor positioning and other stuff and that create little to basically no pressure on you. And that helps you think more clearly and make therefore better decitions.
On the other hand you create immense pressure on entire enemy team. Not only you disable them ability to compete with you, you also basically disable their ability to think thanks to that amount of pressure you create upon them.
I would like to mention this too.
Not all smurfs need to create accs for ego reasons. Some of us are doing it purely for improving reasons.
I mostly just smurf to play with friends, or to learn a new champion/role
I do have to give it to Dota smurfing is almost non existent
"barely 4-5 game a day" Jesus I also have a career and kids and I barely play 3 games a week.
Yes, but I have a hunch you didn't play ''easily 15-20'' games before either. So for you it was more like dropping from 3-4 games a day to 3 games a week, to him it was 15-20 games a day to 4-5 games a day, still drop of 4 times.
great video
I still don’t think I’ll ever understand smurfing unless you’re playing another region.
I so love the thrill of not knowing if who I’m playing against will really be better than me or not. It’s a gamble, the stakes aren’t money, it’s some LP, but I’m putting my points on the line against theirs. If I ever fall off pretty hard I’ll just have to accept watching my account slide down the ranks, sitting with a shiny rank emblem from a season long ago, that I’ll never be able to reach again.
That thrill of gambling probably means I shouldn’t go to Vegas though.
They have all the stats from every game. They can assign a MMR style number to you really quickly, and in direct link with your skills and performances. Could take just a few games to put you back to high elo and leave the low elo queue alone.
This would be too easy to get high elo accounts and then sell them though. So that would ruin high elo games
@@64Talon it will work both ways...
This is already a thing with smurf queue, which is arguably a hellish experience filled with only smurfs/griefers. This is where most lvl 30 accounts get placed in
@@64Talon i don't think people want high mmr low rank accounts. they want to buy accounts that are actually in the division that matches that high mmr.
Doesn't fix the fact that 90% of flamers and inters in ranked are those level 30 accounts. even high elo people dont like that.
I don’t have a second account in League, but I do have one for Overwatch. On Overwatch, I used the second account to try out and practice heroes I wasn’t the best at, such as Widowmaker. I also played comp in it and placed higher on the second account then on my main but I didn’t clown in comp just because it was a second account. I tried on that account as much as I would my main and I call out people for being toxic in the game. (It’s not as frequent as League toxicity, but it it still does happen)
I personally still don’t understand why people will make a whole new account just to be a toxic jerk to others, it’s not fair to other players and ruins the fun in any online game, be it Overwatch or League. ;-;
I have a "smurf" ow account too that I used to use when I didn't want to chance losing SR on my main xD
Finally someone said it. Even looking, the only reason I used to smurf just comes back to wanting a dopamine hit. There's a few that are just old players that want to play a game with a friend but most are just people who have a ego and want to Stomp on players for a few games
Bro, i'm pisslow elo, and i "smurf" because i just want to try out champions that i can't afford on my main with how little i play. I don't have the time or the energy to grind a character while it's on free rotation.
Hella people use the game just to vent negative emotions
I used to hate smurfs because it just felt like a colossal waste of my time when they were in my game - maybe they were on my team and hard carried without me having to do anything, maybe they were on the enemy team and they giga shit stomped me and I didn't know what to do. Or worse, they were just toxic because I didn't take the fight or listen to their call, or they're just toxic because they've been banned for toxicity already. What would really get under my skin is when players would just take a "lol I don't care about this game its my smurf" and just not try.
It didn't feel right that they just wanted to be selfish at the expense of others. Either they wanted an ego boost, wanted easy content for their channel or stream, didn't care about tryharding or were just addicted and toxic. It didn't matter, I didn't care. I just wanted people to actually try in my games. Go play norms.
But I realized I had to change perspective because I was just getting mad about something outside of my control. I was expecting people to come to the game with the same expectations and energy I was, and this was foolish. The thing I like the most about games is how freely they can be enjoyed in so many different ways.
I just focused on my own play, and didn't care if I won or lost. My own goals, and my own actions ingame, were all I could control so that was the only thing I would spend emotional energy on. At that point it didn't matter if all 9 players were smurfs and playing a different game, or everyone was sitting in base typing small novels. I can practice cs-ing better, or make efforts to use a-click more, or focus on better ward placements, whatever. I realized what was fun about league, for me, was seeing myself improve and having unique and interesting challenges to tackle every game. But the fun for other people, or why they play the game, is different for everyone. If other people need league to be an ego boost or a release from stress and need to smurf to do so then so be it.
This video certainly makes me more sympathetic to smurfs, which I might not have been otherwise. I understand a bit more about why people smurf, and though I may not agree with it, it's still valuable to know and a good reminder that there's a human on the other end. Good video as always Mr. Huap, I'll enjoy showing it to my friends.
Well said.
It feels like you're copping. There are people that are ruining the game for others, and while focusing on your own game play is a way to keep good mental and improve, that doesn't make what they're doing OK.
It's like moderation nirvana. Playing to not lose < Playing to win < Playing to learn < Playing because you want to.
I am a Plat 4 rn who plays on 2nd Accounts due to the fact that i for some reason get a ludacrous amount of Diamond II/I and Master Players in my normal Games. I don't know, does Riots System not have enough players anymore?
i think that a part of why smurfing is so common in leauge is the ranking system. It takes an unfathomable amount of time to actually rank upp to high elo even if u are good. And because of the fact that you get scaling LP from wins and exponetially lose when losing it can sometimes be neccessary to buy a new account to reset your MR.
You need a more clear definition of what being good means. Takes about 2-3 weeks to go unranked - masters and 3-4 more weeks to get challenger if you play around 6-8 games/day and you're at challenger skill level. People do it way faster when they play all day, but gave you a more conservative time frame to leave space for irl activities during that time. Since a season is about 10months a challenger player can get at least 5-6 accounts from lv 30 unranked into challenger in one season with less than 8h/day spent on it.
Your conclusion that their justification for smurfing are valid is really pathetic. "I CaN OnLY pLAy 3 GaMEs A DaY I HavE to SmuRf"
damn... didnt know smurfs were losers
Finally a new vid let's goo !
Can someone please tell me what show the clip with the hydra he used is from its seems familiar but I'm not too sure.
Felt more like an ad than a documentary, this time around
honestly i dont feel like there is a lot of smurfs when u just regularly play solo queue and have atleast 50 games. Your mmr is just so set at that point that smurfs dont rly happend. It has never been a problem for me. Same with inters, it happens waay less often people make it seem like. Maybe in aother elos its worse bit for me its fine(im high plat)
"New" and "legacy" are like hidden tiers of progression, you've hit the gold point where bronze would be new, gold is the start, and plat is right in the middle. You have Diamond to look forward to then you master the game and have to actively look for new things to learn becoming a legacy player.
I liked that slight diss you did to unbox therapy with the bot accounts 😂😂😂.
i cant explain it but parents who play leuage are like the most nicest people (in my experiance) ive git a 45 budy with 2 kids and hes like my go to guy for advice