Subjects that should be MANDATORY FOR ALL in high schools: Child rearing (if it takes the damn village then ALL ought to be taught how) Handling finance Effective communication Problem solving skills Health Ed (more of it if already being taught)
Just a reminder that Truthfinder has been directly linked to over 1500 vigilante attacks of innocent, unconvicted people... As they don't remove cleared suspects off their lists... And even those convicted are often listed incorrectly at addresses, etc. They don't live at. I can't wait for this company to be sued out of existence... and the owners jailed for the murders they are responsible for by proxy.
And yet it's is the most common scenario in these deaths. The mother let a partner, usually male, into their home and allows the partner to discipline their child and then claim they didn't know it about it when it inevitably escalates. Imo they do that as a way to bond with the partner and grow closer, it's sick but I can't think of any other reason Y someone would allow a stranger to put their hands on their child.
She knew her boyfriend was hurting her daughter and left her alone with him... she put the feelings of a child abuser over the well being of her 4 year old child. I can’t believe people like this are blessed with children.
It's absolutely barbaric!!! I was a biter when I was little and my mum would put a tiny bit of mustard on my tongue to teach me it hurts when you bite. You don't ever bite a child I mean wtf! If someone had bitten my son they wouldn't have any teeth to bite anyone else with
How come when they’re asked “why didn’t you contact the police?” everyone’s answer is always “I was scared.” Like?? Someone is abusing your child, WTH are you afraid of? The abuser would have to be afraid of ME.
Exactly most parents would call the police to stop themselves from going to prison for murder of the perpetrator ( while calling for the incident itself.) If they’re scared of him imagine what an innocent, defenceless child felt when left alone in his custody. This is so infuriating ! She chose this evil delinquent child over her own baby’s safety. Her tiny life saved lives yet her mother couldn’t protect the life she brought into this world. Unbelievable😢 Rest in heaven angel 🙏🏼
@KNxkyle82 we are holding the mother accountable. You mentioned the grandma. When she said "the mom" we are talking about Octavia's mom.... the 4 year old's mom. I think you are having a hard time comprehending, when it's not that difficult to comprehend.
@@lovelyrich54 A person can't have mental issues over an arbitrary age. You're delusional. There's nothing factual about this whole 18 thing. There's no difference at all between 17 and 18
Right after being caught dating a minor that man should’ve been given custody. This is sickkk I’m so upset for this little girl and the fact that her grandmother cared and was willing to care for the little girl
@@jodiforeman3314society tricks them into thinking having kids makes them special and they snap when they realize they were only used to make their replacements. Mothers are often jealous of their daughters as well. Stems from childhood trauma and rejection wounds.
When grandma and her home is the place of safety that this toddler is begging, pleading and crying to go there. A clue that your child may be in danger from an abusive person.
I love how they asked grandma to talk about Octavia and how a joyful girl she was and share bits of what she was like with the world. Rest in peace Octavia
What the heck is wrong with these women that don’t vet their boyfriends?!? She should be charged to the max as well for dating a minor. Shame on them all.
Why would you assume the birth father abandoned his child, you don’t know the situation, the way the court system is they would likely give her full custody
This little girl was with her birth father... He took her to a visit with her Mother who should have been protecting her but instead allowed her 16 year old boyfriend murder her
The mom of Octavia was the ONLY adult in this horrendous situation. The mom of Octavia was abusing a teen boy. That teen boy, whom should never have been there, abused Octavia, ultimately killing the poor child. They both should be under the jail.
I'm usually not in favour of upgrading minors to adults for the sake prosecution but in this case, he's established himself as independent of his parents and is a live-in, co-parenting relationship. He's an adult now
Donating her organs is such a beautiful thing to do, to save the life of another child, as you grieve your own. I remember a young child was hit by a car, near my house. I followed up on what happened, and sadly he died the following day, but I also learned that his heart, saved another young child, who only had weeks left to live. They turned their tragedy, into someone else’s hope. It must be a really conflicting emotion as a recipient too, knowing another child had to pass, in order for yours to live, what an intense roller coaster of emotion that must be. Bless them all ❤
Doctors should do more , use qualified spy to check what kind of parents are with a child and they shouldn't allow a teen with a 4 years old leaving in a flat.🙄
Absolutely heartbreaking for that family and the bio dad. She was grown and grandma did the right thing every chance she got. Ultimately, the mom betrayed her daughter and her entire family. Everyone is suffering because of her disgusting infatuation with a minor.
If the "mom" cared so little about Octavia, why didn't she just drop her off at the grandmother's? I know there is legal custody but if she didn't want to be bothered with Octavia, at least be human and protect her.
@@user11mc she was disgusting. Looking for attention off a dead child she didn’t even know. Her sister didn’t want madeleine in their lives or she would have helped him get custody or visitation. He abandoned madeleine and should be hiding in shame but he gives emotionless interviews. Creepy.
I agree. Its sad they are supposedly her family, but it was very awkward the way none of them showed any genuine emotions. Even the bio father made me cringe - he literally sounded and looked like he was forcing himself to sound and look emotional. Her mom should've been thrown in jail for her negligence. So sad.
I don’t believe vetting was the issue in this case. She helped him escape juvenile delinquent t facilities…gave him a false identity and every opportunity to hurt her defenseless baby. She knew exactly what she was getting. It’s so heartbreaking and demented. I was hugging that grandmother so tight in my soul.
I"m SO, SO SORRY for your loss. I have lost a child. I can't imagine losing a grandchild is any less painful than that. We will never, ever be the same. Again, I'm so sorry 😢
@@mylesieeworld16 is the legal age of consent. No one forced him to do what he did. Why are you constantly on the comments defending a MONSTER!!!! That's what he is, not a minor, he's a MONSTER!!!!
Dear Linda & Octavia’s dad - you did an INCREDIBLE thing, she IS already saving lives. You two, the joy she was, the love she was and how she lives on, *is Octavia’s legacy* . I’m so sorry.
My thoughts & prayers go out to your family. May sweet, precious Octavia rest in peace. Her gift of life is so beautiful through all the sadness. She is a true Angel!! 💖
That poor grandma! She came so close to saving her, doing all the right interventions. 😢 rip Octavia! She is in heaven not in pain and immersed in love.
To be honest, I don't watch them all. I mainly watch the trials and then limit it to two sidebars. I'll go back and watch a sidebar if it goes to trial and they cover it. ALL this, ALL the time, is way too much on my soul and my peace
I feel the same way. I used to watch a lot of true crime documentaries but it really started to affect my mental health. Being exposed to all that evil and suffering.
That baby was scared in that clip. How did that mum not know or was she just as sick??? I wish I could have stopped her up and taken her far away from all the hurt. Devastating loss of a little life
I’m so sick of mothers who allow their children to be hurt by these terrible excuses for human beings … grandma should never have allowed her to remain with that terrible mother 😡
@@elizabethchase6528 I’m a grandmother and let me tell you- I would have taken my grand baby and refused to return her the that environment. Making a report to a broken government agency like CPS is like putting a bandage on a broken bone
I recall a boyfriend telling me he was 17 years old and I was 18 years old . How his age came up during a conversation with drinks ,his mum revealed he was only 14 years old and begged me not to leave him. I was so embarrassed and needless to say I dropped him on the spot!”. I felt disgusting and sick to know I was with a kid . Last time I ever had anything to do with him again ,what shame I felt!!!”.
It’s not irrelevant at all. Proving that the defendant is lying is not irrelevant. And showing that the defendant did this with no real provocation makes him look worse. Doesn’t matter if the reason for him doing it was justified or not; someone who kills with no provocation is always viewed as worse than those who kill because they are reacting to something. For example, if someone walks in on their wife in bed with another man and reacts by killing them, that is not as bad as someone who kills his wife without provocation. That is why they would be charged with 2nd degree murder and not 1st. We are slightly more lenient towards those who react to something than those who do something with pre thought. Try to think outside the box
@@gamerpuzzle7242pretty sure the thing he and many others would do to this little guy would be considered too obscene to the public and our fellow jury would sentence us I know I would be as vulgar as possible with this pos
I don’t know if this will deter effed up people like this. Impulses sometimes override their self preservation. I think the DP would only encourage people to find new ways to keep the abuse a secret.
the poor grandmother, she really tried, she called cops, she's took destiny under her wing, she bailed her out, she had serious conversations with mum about the inappropriate relationship, she loved her grandbaby, she called authorities, she had destiny living with her and more. Bless this grandma. This is a sad and tragic loss, but respect to the family for donating organs, to help another child.
Well she didn't try hard enough.... I'm sorry I would hire a private detective and be sitting outside their house f*** no and then I would call the police on my daughter and let them know she's having some underage minor in her house that she's f****** she didn't try hard enough f*** no she didn't
Parents, stop leaving your kids with your significant other...you never know their intentions. Especially if it's only been months...that's so gross. I mean you don't even know most of this persons life at that time.
I don’t know why the host kept mentioning the fact that “Alex” had no bite marks on him, proving that Octavia didn’t bite him. So what if she did? That doesn’t justify him biting her back. She didn’t deserve any type of painful punishment.
It's just emphasizing that he's lying through his teeth, or that the "bite" was very insignificant, as an additional aspect of how awful he is. I totally agree that it wouldn't matter if she'd bitten his nose off of his face, it wouldn't have justified this. The host agrees as well...
@@Naturefan354He is the culprit!! He’s lying to save his own filthy skin is all. I mean the POS tried to blame the cat at first & then tried to blame the child when that didn’t work. Stop trying to defend this sicko!!
Grandma broke my heart…I cannot imagine her & her son’s pain right now. What a beautiful little girl Octavia was & what an amazing decision her Dad made to donate her organs to save others! Octavia will live on & save other lives!
Yeah, my Nakita in the background got very upset from me crying. She was barking and jumping on me cause she didn't understand what was wrong. When I was done doing the podcast she jumped on my lap and kept nudging me with her head and licking my face. She definitely knew I needed some love at that moment.
This happened 40 minutes from me. I’m also surprised this channel hasn’t talked about the 8 month old who was found dead 20 minutes south from me in the next county over…
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Subjects that should be MANDATORY FOR ALL in high schools:
Child rearing (if it takes the damn village then ALL ought to be taught how)
Handling finance
Effective communication
Problem solving skills
Health Ed (more of it if already being taught)
Just a reminder that Truthfinder has been directly linked to over 1500 vigilante attacks of innocent, unconvicted people... As they don't remove cleared suspects off their lists... And even those convicted are often listed incorrectly at addresses, etc. They don't live at.
I can't wait for this company to be sued out of existence... and the owners jailed for the murders they are responsible for by proxy.
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That grandmother was probably the only person she felt safe with and truly loved by. HEARTBREAKING. I hope those monsters rot in prison.
Not just prison but maybe the death sentence as well.
the look in her eyes..she was desperate to go to her nans 😢..so sad and maddening x
@@rosie-ella76 it really saddens me...... Really saddens me.... I can't even explain it or have words for this one...
@@miap2122 not her grandma fault. She not at fault.
@@miap2122she’s Octavia’s fathers mother, not the mothers mother.
Her pleading to go to Grandma's house broke my heart. This evil cannot go unpunished.
Close the border.
@@carlmorgan8452huh?
@jillgarrison1917 Mine too! I know that’s gotta be so hard for grandma to see now! If only she had stayed with grandma.😭
Me too 😢
@@stephanierogers4862 💔
Ew, not only does she date a minor but one that looks just like her??
I was thinking the exact same thing, Oliver.
Right so damn creepy
Disgusting
I kept looking back and forth between the pictures. Until I realized they were two different people. 😳 eeww
@@TiffanyMoore1007I also commented how creepy they were..
A 16 yr old "boyfriend" has no business disciplining his "girlfriend's" child.
And yet it's is the most common scenario in these deaths. The mother let a partner, usually male, into their home and allows the partner to discipline their child and then claim they didn't know it about it when it inevitably escalates. Imo they do that as a way to bond with the partner and grow closer, it's sick but I can't think of any other reason Y someone would allow a stranger to put their hands on their child.
💯 no boyfriend should be disciplining his girlfriend’s child
Ive been a single mom for 29 years, NEVER leave baby with supposed Boyfriends or girlfriends. 😢
it boggles my mind that someone actually thinks their bf/gf actually want to babysit someone else's child
@@y.peffle2802My thoughts exactly!
How old is your "baby" now after 29 years? Still living with mommy?
@@hendrikdebruin4012 29 and 20 ones a mom and one is in college. Im a grandma.
@@sandrashevel2137 Enjoy. I will never have grand children.
She knew her boyfriend was hurting her daughter and left her alone with him... she put the feelings of a child abuser over the well being of her 4 year old child. I can’t believe people like this are blessed with children.
Women are so desperate for love! They don’t care who they hurt it’s sad!!!
I can't believe children like this are cursed to be born. She nor anyone asked to be born on to this earth. Stop having children.
And they pick the man or boy in this case over the child
It's infuriating
She was "manipulated" by the teenage boy. Apparently.
Even if she did bite him, you don't get to claim self-defense against a little 4-year-old.... wtf?!
It's absolutely barbaric!!! I was a biter when I was little and my mum would put a tiny bit of mustard on my tongue to teach me it hurts when you bite. You don't ever bite a child I mean wtf! If someone had bitten my son they wouldn't have any teeth to bite anyone else with
I also doubt that, she was likely just either playing and annoyed him or was protecting herself.
@@lindzbreezyoh she probably had reason to bite him
She probably bit him in self defense
Little kids don't know any better that kind of behavior must have been gotten from some one, like bad parenting
Why does the mother and the boyfriend look almost identical? 😬
Flintstones extras
@@FarmerDrewLMAO??
Yes they look like brother and sister
Espanic in bree ding
I came here to say 'they are related', @@jennyatherton3820
That sweet baby crying for her grandma. Breaks my heart.
How come when they’re asked “why didn’t you contact the police?” everyone’s answer is always “I was scared.” Like?? Someone is abusing your child, WTH are you afraid of? The abuser would have to be afraid of ME.
Exactly 💯. The cops would have been called on me. I will get my punches in before the cops arrive though.
@@CandiceMMartinez literally!!! 👏🏾 like SCARED? Not me!!
LEGIT, like bruh-
They just completely fail their kids because THEYRE the scared one?! What about the terrified, abused child?!
cuz she is a pdfile
Exactly most parents would call the police to stop themselves from going to prison for murder of the perpetrator ( while calling for the incident itself.)
If they’re scared of him imagine what an innocent, defenceless child felt when left alone in his custody. This is so infuriating !
She chose this evil delinquent child over her own baby’s safety. Her tiny life saved lives yet her mother couldn’t protect the life she brought into this world. Unbelievable😢
Rest in heaven angel 🙏🏼
Begging for her grandma was a huge red flag. Why do the mother and boyfriend look like siblings?
you don’t think kids ever beg to go see GRANNY ?
@@martistlouis bro stop tryna look for a reason to argue use your brain
@@martistlouis not like that. She sounded traumatized. Kids should be crying for their parents. They shouldn't be crying to get away from them.
At least they don't look like difference colors tbh
@cc1658exactly.
Idc IF the little girl did bite him, she’s 4! That doesn’t give the monster the right to do any of what he did.
Exactly what I am saying over here!! She was a baby. 😢
Right?!!! I work at a daycare - teachers and other children get bit constantly!!!! This is no excuse AT ALL
Literally. And I’m almost 100% sure she prob bit him to get away from his abuse 😢
She bit him for a reason.
Because he's a child as well.
That poor baby. No wonder she wanted grandma. So heartbreaking.
That clip of Octavia begging to go to Grandma's was heartbreaking and very haunting 😢 I pray Indiana has the balls to throw them both under the jail.
Yes. The beginning of the video broke my heart and gave me chills 😢😩😩
That boy wasn't suppose to of been in her home, that alone explains why she didn't call the cops.
Leaving your baby with a 16 yr male is just a big no.
Sick of this happening. If you can't keep kids safe, don't have them.
I agree 100%. I am sick of people hurting children also.
What about those who are forced to have unwanted babies by the Supreme Court?
@@Anya-b5s don't get me started on the Supreme Court. They have lost all credibility imo.
Then maybe people should actually be using protection instead of having poor “unwanted babies”. 🥺
ok ! they won’t !
The mother wanted to help the 16yo...no, your job was to protect your child and not rescue a broken teenager. You failed that beautiful baby.
“rescue” aka groom.
Don’t blame grandma blame the mother. moms always getting the pass not today. Grandma old y’all trippin
@KNxkyle82 where in their comment do you see them blaming the grandma?
Young moms need more accountability, y’all stay trippin 😂
@KNxkyle82 we are holding the mother accountable. You mentioned the grandma. When she said "the mom" we are talking about Octavia's mom.... the 4 year old's mom. I think you are having a hard time comprehending, when it's not that difficult to comprehend.
So she's a horrible mother and dating an underage boy. Disgusting.
Exactly...she definitely had mental issues herself.
Agreed
But the age of consent varies from state to state
Some as low as 16...
@@YooouSukock-jz8ms that don’t mean shi
@@Kingvonismylife Then what makes 18 so special? Like there's any difference between a 17 year old and an 18 year old. You're delusional
@@lovelyrich54 A person can't have mental issues over an arbitrary age. You're delusional. There's nothing factual about this whole 18 thing. There's no difference at all between 17 and 18
Unfortunate the father didn’t get custody of his daughter.
These men sorry asf.
Right after being caught dating a minor that man should’ve been given custody. This is sickkk I’m so upset for this little girl and the fact that her grandmother cared and was willing to care for the little girl
Age of consent in Indiana is 16 years old. I find that disgusting.
@@feiery Like 18 is any different. You're brainwashed😂
A Republican state it never fails
Please stop killing these innocent angels 🙁
How about stop creating children when you’re mentally unstable.,
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I Totally Agree this is getting Ridiculous about this innocent Kid's getting killed by their Parent😢😭🤧
These "people" shouldn't even be allowed to have kids in the first place!
@@marionneary1128 technically it was her boyfriend... who was a child, and until someone proves me otherwise directly related to her
Mom just as bad as boyfriend, if not worse. She failed to protect her child. This is sickening!
What’s with so many parents or their partners killing their kids
It’s happening so often now
She looked like a child herself...
Amen she is just as guilty as she knew she had to
@@jodiforeman3314society tricks them into thinking having kids makes them special and they snap when they realize they were only used to make their replacements. Mothers are often jealous of their daughters as well. Stems from childhood trauma and rejection wounds.
Agree. I’m so sick of hearing about these mothers choosing their men/partners over their children. It’s disgusting!
They better charge that monster as an adult!!!😢😢😢
Why would they not?
I see a 16 yr old was involved. Wtf was happening to this poor baby😢
@@whatdidijustsee9338 because he's only 16!!!
He is being charged as an adult.
@@princesspikachu3915 Ty!
When grandma and her home is the place of safety that this toddler is begging, pleading and crying to go there. A clue that your child may be in danger from an abusive person.
I love how they asked grandma to talk about Octavia and how a joyful girl she was and share bits of what she was like with the world. Rest in peace Octavia
What the heck is wrong with these women that don’t vet their boyfriends?!? She should be charged to the max as well for dating a minor. Shame on them all.
I don't think you have to ask that of woman who's 23 yo and chooses to have a 16-year-old underaged bf.
@@dannidazzleas opposed to a 16 year old not underage boyfriend?
I don't see that girl is 23 years old this said 16 I took it both boy and girl was 16 . Sick either way it is.
@@Ittybitty733 What are you talking about, they said she's 23 at 0:47 seconds: "...and her mother, 23-year-old Destiny Rose...".
@@Ittybitty733she’s 23
These mom’s are choosing boyfriends over their children. Birth fathers are abandoning their kids. A mess.
Why would you assume the birth father abandoned his child, you don’t know the situation, the way the court system is they would likely give her full custody
@@mylesieeworldexactly that happened to me
This little girl was with her birth father... He took her to a visit with her Mother who should have been protecting her but instead allowed her 16 year old boyfriend murder her
💯
@mylesieeworld fathers have made their own reputations. It's a pretty safe assumption.
They look related. Why would an adult want to be with a 16 year old. It’s embarrassing and disturbing. Get someone your own age!
Low functioning. She should not have had full care of the child. Probably can’t look after herself properly let alone her daughter.
She can’t get someone her own age because she’s a loser.
I thought the same thing. Birds of a feather I guess
But love is love
That’s the least of their problems honestly. And just a reflection of ALL their other issues.
Messed up… is why they do this.
The honor walk is such a heartbreaking event, but knowing this precious baby is saving other children's lives is beautiful.
I’m not choosing anyone over my kids
The amount of cases involving children is getting out of hand...
I agree!! There’s such a spike in certain criminal activities the past 6 years. It’s been bonkers IMO.
It’s always been out of hand, you’re just hearing about it more now.
@@Karlinj BINGO!
@@leahjones9626 this is statistically untrue. It’s just that there is media now to report it and we hear about it instantly worldwide.
It’s gotten out of hand way too much for way too long!!!
If she bit that monster it was because she was trying to protect herself. RIP sweet Angel
So true !
Exactly!
He had no bites on him! She never bit him! He bit her!
She didn’t bite him though, there’s no evidence of that, it’s talked about at length in the video.
@@SeaSaltSandSerendipityin this case, maybe.
But paremts all the time have to tell their kid, "No." When doing things considered wrong.
Its learning.
One sentence TELLS ALL,thats not a child who wants to visit beloved grandma,little angel is desperate to escabe a nightmare
When I saw and heard her, yes... I think both. 🥺🍦💞
This sweet grandmother crying for her baby is heartbreaking. My heart goes out to her 🙏
23 with a 16 year old?!? and one with obvs mental health issues to hurt another child???
She wanted her gra dma because her mom and the bf were awful to her😢💔
Poor baby.
What a monster this kid is! Wtf!
Grandma tried so hard, she really did her best to protect that darling girl.
These Demons make me SICK
Amen!
Exactly they aren't human beings 😒
Yet justice system protects these criminals
What a sick world we live in.
The mom of Octavia was the ONLY adult in this horrendous situation.
The mom of Octavia was abusing a teen boy. That teen boy, whom should never have been there, abused Octavia, ultimately killing the poor child. They both should be under the jail.
Yeah adult by age but not mentally
You need a giant dose of reality.
That "boy" was not being abused.
Yep!!! They are BOTH guilty😡
No of course she wasnt abusing him, he wasnt 6 but 16. He was with her because he decided it. Stop excusing the monsters.
@@Dmitis-nk7xiyou're excusing one right now. Stop defending n0nces.
I'm usually not in favour of upgrading minors to adults for the sake prosecution but in this case, he's established himself as independent of his parents and is a live-in, co-parenting relationship. He's an adult now
Agree with this completely. I generally hate minors being charged as adults but this is different.
Yup
hes not an adult bro wtf hes a child that murdered a baby
@@swk1137if minor is psycho of course he would be charged as adult..
If they did that to my granddaughter neither one of them would be walking.
Exactly...
Word
Same…
Same.
Doesn't a Sixteen year old boy have better things to do like play videogames with his friends? Instead of playing stepdad?
Honestly.. Its not just a 16 year old! Even adult men would rather do video games Lol
Poor little babygirl, she wanted to go to Grandma because she knew she would be safe there❤
Donating her organs is such a beautiful thing to do, to save the life of another child, as you grieve your own. I remember a young child was hit by a car, near my house. I followed up on what happened, and sadly he died the following day, but I also learned that his heart, saved another young child, who only had weeks left to live. They turned their tragedy, into someone else’s hope. It must be a really conflicting emotion as a recipient too, knowing another child had to pass, in order for yours to live, what an intense roller coaster of emotion that must be. Bless them all ❤
The mother should be charged with murder as well.
Well you can’t just do that cause it makes sense to you.
Yes
Desperate women bringing these men into their homes & then leaving their children alone with them. The mother is just as guilty, if not more.
Desperate for what? She lives of the state. He has nothing. Desperate for s....x? WTF?
I mean he was a minor u must of forgot that part
That’s no excuse. Kid knew what he was doing was clearly wrong
@@mylesieeworldbro at 16-17 I was taking care of my 7 year old niece and playing barbies with her lol doesn’t matter if a he a minor he is a monster….
😊🥰😈
23 with a 16 year old?! What a piece of work
Doctors should do more , use qualified spy to check what kind of parents are with a child and they shouldn't allow a teen with a 4 years old leaving in a flat.🙄
You're brainwashed
Um will she also be charged for being with a minor wtf
What a lovely paternal grandma for this unfortunate little girl.
She knew she was safe with her grandma 😢
With a mom like her..
That poor baby didn't stand a chance 😢
RIP little one
That was my first thought.
Boys, be very careful who you date/are physically intimate with or marry. I’ve told my son this many times.
If u can't take care of your children don't have them.
Hearing that little girls sad and desperate voice is so soo heart-breakingly sad!
I’m so tired of women putting their kids life in danger with other men. Super selfish move. Put your kid first!!
Absolutely heartbreaking for that family and the bio dad. She was grown and grandma did the right thing every chance she got. Ultimately, the mom betrayed her daughter and her entire family. Everyone is suffering because of her disgusting infatuation with a minor.
If the "mom" cared so little about Octavia, why didn't she just drop her off at the grandmother's? I know there is legal custody but if she didn't want to be bothered with Octavia, at least be human and protect her.
Most likely she wanted to claim the money still
@@geriiradford2608Babies for benefits....
Probably money or ego « I am her mother » style
This is heartbreaking. This little girl wanted to go to grandma’s where she was safe.
This is absolutely disgusting
She is suffering so badly. Im so sorry 🙏
I can't begin to imagine what these poor children are born into and have to endure in their short time here on Earth.
It's sickening
This is what real emotion looks like. None of Madeline sotos relatives had any emotion.
True but this is grandma Madeline didn’t even have
My thought exactly. Especially that fake “sister in law”. 😠
@@user11mc she was disgusting. Looking for attention off a dead child she didn’t even know. Her sister didn’t want madeleine in their lives or she would have helped him get custody or visitation. He abandoned madeleine and should be hiding in shame but he gives emotionless interviews. Creepy.
@@RcPlayer-tt2vw your point is invalid - shes speaking on true emotion. Why are you concerned if it’s mom or grandma emotion ? your thinking is insane
I agree. Its sad they are supposedly her family, but it was very awkward the way none of them showed any genuine emotions. Even the bio father made me cringe - he literally sounded and looked like he was forcing himself to sound and look emotional. Her mom should've been thrown in jail for her negligence. So sad.
I don’t believe vetting was the issue in this case. She helped him escape juvenile delinquent t facilities…gave him a false identity and every opportunity to hurt her defenseless baby. She knew exactly what she was getting. It’s so heartbreaking and demented. I was hugging that grandmother so tight in my soul.
🎯🎯🎯
Grandma said it perfect, while speaking of the young mother..."Your job is to take care of your daughter" 💯💯💯
I"m SO, SO SORRY for your loss. I have lost a child. I can't imagine losing a grandchild is any less painful than that. We will never, ever be the same. Again, I'm so sorry 😢
After her crying for her grandma, i couldn't watch the rest. Sickened by this B and her demonic bf.
The mom looks like she could be the boyfriends sister....
Quit calling it boyfriend he was a minor
@@mylesieeworldthat MINOR killed a BABY
He's itty bitty minor
@@mylesieeworld16 is the legal age of consent. No one forced him to do what he did. Why are you constantly on the comments defending a MONSTER!!!! That's what he is, not a minor, he's a MONSTER!!!!
@@lindaalvarez9549 I know I said multiple times he is a monster, I never once defended his actions. I’m talking about a topic separate from this
Dear Linda & Octavia’s dad - you did an INCREDIBLE thing, she IS already saving lives. You two, the joy she was, the love she was and how she lives on, *is Octavia’s legacy* . I’m so sorry.
Thank you so much.
Thank you
@@lindaalvarez9549 I'm sorry for your loss. Your family is in my thoughts and prayers🙏💖
My thoughts & prayers go out to your family. May sweet, precious Octavia rest in peace. Her gift of life is so beautiful through all the sadness. She is a true Angel!! 💖
Always appreciate Jesse’s compassion when speaking with the victim’s family members. When the grandma spoke of the “Honor Walk” I broke down.
That poor grandma! She came so close to saving her, doing all the right interventions. 😢 rip Octavia! She is in heaven not in pain and immersed in love.
I’m not sure how many more of these videos I want to watch it’s so upsetting.
Every single day!!!!
To be honest, I don't watch them all. I mainly watch the trials and then limit it to two sidebars. I'll go back and watch a sidebar if it goes to trial and they cover it. ALL this, ALL the time, is way too much on my soul and my peace
Seems like it's every single day. The world is out of control.
@@peachmilkshake_same. My heart can't handle it.
I feel the same way. I used to watch a lot of true crime documentaries but it really started to affect my mental health. Being exposed to all that evil and suffering.
That baby was scared in that clip. How did that mum not know or was she just as sick??? I wish I could have stopped her up and taken her far away from all the hurt. Devastating loss of a little life
She’s shaking.
She knew he was violent. He hurt her before
I’m so sick of mothers who allow their children to be hurt by these terrible excuses for human beings … grandma should never have allowed her to remain with that terrible mother 😡
@@elizabethchase6528 I’m a grandmother and let me tell you- I would have taken my grand baby and refused to return her the that environment. Making a report to a broken government agency like CPS is like putting a bandage on a broken bone
@@elizabethchase6528 it is unfortunate 🥲
I recall a boyfriend telling me he was 17 years old and I was 18 years old .
How his age came up during a conversation with drinks ,his mum revealed he was only 14 years old and begged me not to leave him.
I was so embarrassed and needless to say I dropped him on the spot!”. I felt disgusting and sick to know I was with a kid .
Last time I ever had anything to do with him again ,what shame I felt!!!”.
Even if the little girl did bite him she is a child! It’s irrelevant if she did or not . Devastating , senseless loss of an innocent child.
Exactly thats what i thought!!!.
It’s not irrelevant at all. Proving that the defendant is lying is not irrelevant. And showing that the defendant did this with no real provocation makes him look worse. Doesn’t matter if the reason for him doing it was justified or not; someone who kills with no provocation is always viewed as worse than those who kill because they are reacting to something. For example, if someone walks in on their wife in bed with another man and reacts by killing them, that is not as bad as someone who kills his wife without provocation. That is why they would be charged with 2nd degree murder and not 1st. We are slightly more lenient towards those who react to something than those who do something with pre thought. Try to think outside the box
@@stancexpunks
Does provocation matter when the victim is 4 years old? So if a 18-month-old provokes me does it look worse or better?
I wish I was there.. I would save this little girl, and then I would go to jail
Same!
Why would you go to jail? Saving her wouldn't make you go to jail.
@@gamerpuzzle7242pretty sure the thing he and many others would do to this little guy would be considered too obscene to the public and our fellow jury would sentence us I know I would be as vulgar as possible with this pos
@@DenverscorpioWhy are you so mad?
me too! i think that way as well. I dont care if i go to jail id take her.
Smh WTH are they even doing? Getting high and beating up kids? 🤦🏽♂️it’s ridiculous
Omg poor little angel,
That first clip broke my heart now knowing she's not with us anymore 😢
She could be my daughter. I’m so sick. Physically sick from this.
its time the DP becomes mandatory for these crimes against children.
Yes.. and maybe people will think twice before they hurt an innocent child
I don’t know if this will deter effed up people like this. Impulses sometimes override their self preservation. I think the DP would only encourage people to find new ways to keep the abuse a secret.
Exactly 100%
Yeah, if we are loud enough, it will happen 🎉
yes or at least no plea deals
the poor grandmother, she really tried, she called cops, she's took destiny under her wing, she bailed her out, she had serious conversations with mum about the inappropriate relationship, she loved her grandbaby, she called authorities, she had destiny living with her and more. Bless this grandma. This is a sad and tragic loss, but respect to the family for donating organs, to help another child.
Well she didn't try hard enough.... I'm sorry I would hire a private detective and be sitting outside their house f*** no and then I would call the police on my daughter and let them know she's having some underage minor in her house that she's f****** she didn't try hard enough f*** no she didn't
😢
I can't imagine what Gmais going through rip beautiful babygirl
The guilt must be overwhelming even though she tried everything in her power (legally) to keep that baby girl safe. It’s so damn sad
kid didn’t have a chance
The "woman" and that boy look like relatives
yeah they look like siblings
Parents, stop leaving your kids with your significant other...you never know their intentions. Especially if it's only been months...that's so gross. I mean you don't even know most of this persons life at that time.
Grandma is so sweet rip Octavia. Praying for the family.
My heart is hurting. My blood pressure is boiling.
I don’t know why the host kept mentioning the fact that “Alex” had no bite marks on him, proving that Octavia didn’t bite him. So what if she did? That doesn’t justify him biting her back. She didn’t deserve any type of painful punishment.
Fr it’s a baby
Eh, he is stating the facts. The 16 yo is mentally ill and the 4 yo was a brat. The end.
It's just emphasizing that he's lying through his teeth, or that the "bite" was very insignificant, as an additional aspect of how awful he is.
I totally agree that it wouldn't matter if she'd bitten his nose off of his face, it wouldn't have justified this. The host agrees as well...
Because he's lying about it. He could be covering for the real culprit? 🤷♀️
@@Naturefan354He is the culprit!! He’s lying to save his own filthy skin is all. I mean the POS tried to blame the cat at first & then tried to blame the child when that didn’t work. Stop trying to defend this sicko!!
Justice needs to be meted out for the little girl. Both the mother and her 16 year-old boyfriend should NEVER breathe free air again!
Why is she dating a minor??
Grandma broke my heart…I cannot imagine her & her son’s pain right now. What a beautiful little girl Octavia was & what an amazing decision her Dad made to donate her organs to save others! Octavia will live on & save other lives!
What a wonderful grandmother. So very sorry for your loss. 😔
Yes, I'm also sorry for the grandmother's loss.
There is no place in heaven for child abusers.
Going to prison, maybe?
Wait till inmates find out what you're in for.
AMEN!!!
Amen!
They won’t do a thing.
@@KPD017 Ive had a couple a family members in prison and theyve told me stories, I PROMISE YOU they will indeed do something to him.
@@KPD017they definitely will do something
Putting a man above your child. Don’t have kids
I totally agree we see it way too often these days
She also exposed a monster in her sacrifice and may have saved many, many others from that boy.
Why does he look like he should be living in a cave and is just learning about fire?
They both do.
@@Ann-sj4ptvery true
💯!!
At 4 years old she's a hero! Even the dog feels the pain of the grandmother 😢
Yeah, my Nakita in the background got very upset from me crying. She was barking and jumping on me cause she didn't understand what was wrong. When I was done doing the podcast she jumped on my lap and kept nudging me with her head and licking my face. She definitely knew I needed some love at that moment.
How is the 4 year old a hero? She was murdered. Shes a victim.
This happened 40 minutes from me. I’m also surprised this channel hasn’t talked about the 8 month old who was found dead 20 minutes south from me in the next county over…
They did cover Miya Rudd too.
Devils Demons are active amongst Americans.
What’s the story about the boyfriend’s home life they keep talking about?
Just utterly heartbreaking
That poor Grandma 💔
BOTH are guilty.