Thanks Dalaran :) still watching all your vids since 2012! I'm getting back into my rogue for pvp and I wanted to go assassination! thanks for the awesome guide!
Just wanted to say thanks for the video! Been helpin me learn rogue pvp since the beginning of the expansion and am starting to see improvements in my gameplay! I've actually been really motivated lately to play alot more and maybe i can break 2k this season :P anyways keep up the good work! :D
stealth>garrotte>cheap shot>mutilate>kidney (with internal bleeding, because you already do so much burst)>rupture>vendetta>DFA>vanish>envenom (dispatch whenever) I like to stack my bleeds and deadly poison then pool my energy a bit then do my burst in arenas. The DoT damage coming from assassination is amazing as well as the burst, its like a affliction warlock and a mage had a baby.
I just started an assassin rogue, hopefully this will help out. I'm use to long cast classes. My main is a boomy so i'm looking forward to the speed rogues have to offer. Thanks for the hints and tips.
Also do you think because of the buffs that combat is now stronger than combat overall, because to me it seems that they have this one shot burst then have some downtime before they can pull out that big damage again ?
I like to run "Anticipation" as my level 90 talent, due to assassinations generates easily CP. I used to go for "Marked for death", but I never used it since I didn't have a prob generating CP fast.
Hi! Thanks for an interesting and helpful guide! I have a question though, I am very new to rogue just picked it up and wondering how to deal dmg when not bursting, is it just all about Mutilate and Envenom? And ofc dispatch on proc. Would be very appreciated if u could take your time to answer me, cheers!
Hey Dalaran! So i've been looking at your gear and Susejftw/Sativ's gear. U use Badge of Conquest, but Susejftw uses Insignia of Conquest? What is the difference? And what would u say is best?
really good video :D I just got a question regarding the burst rotation, isnt it better to throw in a rupture after the cheap shot so you dont waste the 2 combo points from the cheap shot. So in other words: cheap shot>rupture>mfd>vendetta>dfa>vanish>envenom instead of your rotation: cheap shot>mfd>vendetta>dfa>vanish>envenom??
+Locknloadize Cheap> Rupture > Vendetta + MFD > DFA would mean that by the time DfA actually hits the stun will be gone, so you are losing out on the 10% extra damage. 2 CP loss is barely anything when you are trying to chunk your opponent in the opener.
Normally before this vid I would se subterfuge and do garrote>cheap shot> ambush > vendetta>rupture > MfD> kidney shot> mutilate>mutilate> dispatch> DFA pls tell me if this works as well
+Attie Stanson In my humble opinion, I think you could get much better burst than that. If you're going for a just full on crazy opener.. Using Nightstalker: Cheap Shot, Mutilate, Dispatch, Rupture, Marked for Death, Vendetta, Death from Above, Mutilate, Mutilate, Dispatch, Envenom, Vanish, Envenom, Preparation, Vanish, Envenom. They super ded. And if you're not going completely insane, you can just not use your vanish and stuff.
+Chris1906 That is the Season 1 WoD Elite Set. Currently it is unobtainable but might become available as a Mog in the future. I got it by getting 2k Rating during Season 1. Currently it is no longer in the game. :)
hi, i just subbed.. my question is if your so focused on energy and keeping target stunned or burst dmg, why not use dirty tricks for the free garotte and blind saving yourself 60 energy, and enough to get another mutilate and proc dispatch
Hey man, everything here still applying? And personally what do you think the best arena spec for Rogue is right now? I've been playing Assassin in all of WoD but am not sure how much Assassin will work at high MMRs. If you answer thanks alot. and love the videos. (:
Hello, It's not just the play style, without anticipation you are loosing a lot of combo points, also it makes every situation just easier to manage - compared to marked for death you only get 5 combo \ min, which is kinda weak if you look at how many combo points will you lose when mutilate just overlaps from 4 to 6, and you get only 1 for it. Also: If you rely on these burst talents, you will have a hard time against good players, who will avoid from them, that's why shadow reflection is not viable. If you go for Venom rush, and apply rupture for both players all the time, you will deal a lot more dmg overtime (you will have a lot more energy) , and you can still go big bursts with offensive vanishes, double envenoms, and ofc the vendetta + envenom combo. Here is my setup: Shadow focus, Nerve strike, Leeching poison, burst of speed\shadowstep (switching them depends on the match up), internal bleeding, anticipation, venom rush
Crankypotatoe Its a 4-piece PvP bonus. You get that from your gear. It generates 5 CP upon Vanish, and makes your next Ambush, Mutti, Dispatch, or Envenom 100%
Hey Dalaran thank you for this video it really helped me :) . I just wanted to ask if you could post me the equipment that i should wear , especially the daggers.
So why don't you like to use ambush? It has the bonus damage from using 2 daggers. I understand not using it for combat. Sorry if it's already been asked, couldn't (well.. wouldn't) read all 122 comments haha. Great videos btw.
what are your thoughts on "wasting" the free crit from the 4pc bonus? In your burst rotation, the vanish comes right before the envenom, already guaranteeing an envenom crit, basically nullifying Vendetta's 100% crit chance. Is there a way we can use the vendetta crit and the 4pc crit seperately?
macheteman I am not sure what you mean...but let me break it down. Score a stun > Vendeta + Marked for Death (next envenom is 100% crit) > DfA (2 part finisher, 2nd part is a 50% envenom) > (vendeta perk consumed) > Vanish ( 5 cp and next envenom is 100% crit) > Envenom (consumes the crit) You forget DfA.
Hi, thank you for the helpful video. I have a question though: If I do the opener Cheap Shot > Vendetta/Marked for Death > DFA > Vanish > Envenom and then leave combat, I will see 2 Envenoms in Recount like I should, but there are times when I have zero crits. I thought the Enhanced Vendetta guaranteed a crit on the next Envenom (DfA) or am I wrong?
+Laffyapathy That buff can actually be dispelled. If you are using that on a Hunter, and they use Sac Pet, then it won't crit. It should be a crit though, so when it isn't its usually uncommon.
Hey dalaran i followed you guide and i still only get 60k crits on my target dummy i dont get it what am i doing wrong? ( yes i have full season 2 pvp gear and even purple daggers) !
New to rogues and im having a rough time figured out each spec in arenas. Which spec would you say is the easiest to play? and or the best for 2s / 3s? I was playing sub in 2s and it seemed couldnt do enough damage to land a kill.
+Oswin Sub is a bit tough when first starting up a Rogue for PvP. I usually suggest people try out Assassination. It has good on-demand burst thats easier to execute, good sustain damage, and has good control. The spec will teach you energy management. Combat is a bit more spammy with energy and requires more energy management as well as its Late Ramp-Up burst. Sub is all about set ups. If you can't set up properly or use your energy effectively then you might not deal any damage. All 3 specs take time to learn. Rogue basics are hard to get down imo, but after that its fairly easy class to play. : )
Hey. I'm getting back into wow but i'm traumatized by rogues. I'm leveling an enhancement shaman, how would you advice me to counter rogues? Say a 1v1 situation where the rogue gets the jump?
+Dalaran Gaming dalaran, rogue is a class I've dreamed of learning since vanilla. But I don't get how to use the defensives. When I duel a good rogue they always cloak (fire Mage) all my good shit and push so hard. I understand the burst but am I supposed to use defensives for more pressure or use them to stay alive
+Hunter Marsh That depends entirely on the situation. Do you need the to stay alive, or do you need them to get a kill? It's a highly situational choice, and something you just learn to get a feel for through practice.
Hey guys, I saw on some MoP open world pvp video a rogue sprinting like insane, idk if that is talent , or glyph or old spell-skill , but it was awesome... how to do that ? and is it still possible to do it ofc ? You know, like 2-3 sprints in a row ?
+Sonny Rosén Lozada Envenom itself is direct poison damage. So it makes those much more potent along with venomous wounds, which is your most consistent damaging ability on the target besides mutilate.
I got better gear atm than you had in this video,around 90% mastery and the dmg is even lower (around 100 k on dummy,so i guess they nerf it.but the video is great,thank you!
+You “Fackin” Bhop He's getting those crits against a training dummy. You're not going to see numbers like that in any pvp situation, except when you're full geared and you catch someone in boa's or a boosted character.
Don't forget, after the opener, use Preperation again to reset Vanish CD and do another Evenom!
thank you for this video, i played rogue in wotlk and am now playing again and youre really helping me bring my knowledge up to par again
Thanks Dalaran :) still watching all your vids since 2012! I'm getting back into my rogue for pvp and I wanted to go assassination! thanks for the awesome guide!
+Kigalion Glad you enjoyed it man!
Just wanted to say thanks for the video! Been helpin me learn rogue pvp since the beginning of the expansion and am starting to see improvements in my gameplay! I've actually been really motivated lately to play alot more and maybe i can break 2k this season :P anyways keep up the good work! :D
would love to see a video on suitability and when to pop different defense CD's ... great video mate
stealth>garrotte>cheap shot>mutilate>kidney (with internal bleeding, because you already do so much burst)>rupture>vendetta>DFA>vanish>envenom (dispatch whenever) I like to stack my bleeds and deadly poison then pool my energy a bit then do my burst in arenas. The DoT damage coming from assassination is amazing as well as the burst, its like a affliction warlock and a mage had a baby.
I just started an assassin rogue, hopefully this will help out. I'm use to long cast classes. My main is a boomy so i'm looking forward to the speed rogues have to offer. Thanks for the hints and tips.
Ty man really helped me. Keep it up man!
Also do you think because of the buffs that combat is now stronger than combat overall, because to me it seems that they have this one shot burst then have some downtime before they can pull out that big damage again ?
Ty alot dude learned some new skills today thx too u :) love the "WOMBO COMBO" kinda thing that hits for about 300k dmg its so silly and fun :)!!!
Good video, i have just have one question regarding your opener. Why do you tie vanish into it?
I like to run "Anticipation" as my level 90 talent, due to assassinations generates easily CP. I used to go for "Marked for death", but I never used it since I didn't have a prob generating CP fast.
thanks for this, icy-veins didn't save me this time. What addons are you using?
What addons you used in vid?
hi^^thx for this amazing guide,it helps me a lot on my rogue :)
1question what is the addon u use to see ure icons with such big life bar^^
Hey dalaran silly question lol but what is ur exact macro that ur pointing with while fighting great videos by the way love them
yo dalaran I like the intro song. can I get the name of it :)
Hi! Thanks for an interesting and helpful guide!
I have a question though, I am very new to rogue just picked it up and wondering how to deal dmg when not bursting, is it just all about Mutilate and Envenom? And ofc dispatch on proc. Would be very appreciated if u could take your time to answer me, cheers!
Hey Dalaran!
So i've been looking at your gear and Susejftw/Sativ's gear.
U use Badge of Conquest, but Susejftw uses Insignia of Conquest?
What is the difference? And what would u say is best?
really good video :D
I just got a question regarding the burst rotation, isnt it better to throw in a rupture after the cheap shot so you dont waste the 2 combo points from the cheap shot.
So in other words:
cheap shot>rupture>mfd>vendetta>dfa>vanish>envenom
instead of your rotation:
cheap shot>mfd>vendetta>dfa>vanish>envenom??
+Locknloadize Cheap> Rupture > Vendetta + MFD > DFA would mean that by the time DfA actually hits the stun will be gone, so you are losing out on the 10% extra damage. 2 CP loss is barely anything when you are trying to chunk your opponent in the opener.
Normally before this vid I would se subterfuge and do garrote>cheap shot> ambush > vendetta>rupture > MfD> kidney shot> mutilate>mutilate> dispatch> DFA pls tell me if this works as well
Attie Stanson I don't ambush.
Dalaran Gaming what macro are you using for this?
Swamp_Fox I don't use a macro for my openers, PvP is just too situational for opener macros.
Attie Stanson use vendetta with dfa for the guarrenteed crit
+Attie Stanson In my humble opinion, I think you could get much better burst than that. If you're going for a just full on crazy opener..
Using Nightstalker: Cheap Shot, Mutilate, Dispatch, Rupture, Marked for Death, Vendetta, Death from Above, Mutilate, Mutilate, Dispatch, Envenom, Vanish, Envenom, Preparation, Vanish, Envenom.
They super ded. And if you're not going completely insane, you can just not use your vanish and stuff.
hey Dalaran! Do you play on us or eu? i love your videos and keep up the good work 👌👍
Hey Dalaran, my true source of rogue pvp, what's that set you are wearing in your intro? Looks pretty badass to me. Thanks!
+Chris1906 That is the Season 1 WoD Elite Set. Currently it is unobtainable but might become available as a Mog in the future. I got it by getting 2k Rating during Season 1. Currently it is no longer in the game. :)
Mate what class you suggest me to go for pvp right now/ shaman enha? pala retri or rogue? i cant select one help me if u can:)
hi, i just subbed.. my question is if your so focused on energy and keeping target stunned or burst dmg, why not use dirty tricks for the free garotte and blind saving yourself 60 energy, and enough to get another mutilate and proc dispatch
Yeah... I am huge fan of that talent too
which daggers do u used in this vid? nvm got them xD
What is your chest mog??
it's a set that you get in your dwarven bunker or warmill. you need your dwarven bunker and warmill at lvl 2😉
Hey man, everything here still applying? And personally what do you think the best arena spec for Rogue is right now? I've been playing Assassin in all of WoD but am not sure how much Assassin will work at high MMRs. If you answer thanks alot. and love the videos. (:
Hello, It's not just the play style, without anticipation you are loosing a lot of combo points, also it makes every situation just easier to manage - compared to marked for death you only get 5 combo \ min, which is kinda weak if you look at how many combo points will you lose when mutilate just overlaps from 4 to 6, and you get only 1 for it.
Also: If you rely on these burst talents, you will have a hard time against good players, who will avoid from them, that's why shadow reflection is not viable.
If you go for Venom rush, and apply rupture for both players all the time, you will deal a lot more dmg overtime (you will have a lot more energy) , and you can still go big bursts with offensive vanishes, double envenoms, and ofc the vendetta + envenom combo.
Here is my setup: Shadow focus, Nerve strike, Leeching poison, burst of speed\shadowstep (switching them depends on the match up), internal bleeding, anticipation, venom rush
+rAMarerA I hope you are trolling, because this is pathetic. lol
it may be a noob question but how do you instantly get 5 combo points after you vanish
Crankypotatoe Its a 4-piece PvP bonus. You get that from your gear. It generates 5 CP upon Vanish, and makes your next Ambush, Mutti, Dispatch, or Envenom 100%
Hey Dalaran thank you for this video it really helped me :) . I just wanted to ask if you could post me the equipment that i should wear , especially the daggers.
So why don't you like to use ambush? It has the bonus damage from using 2 daggers. I understand not using it for combat. Sorry if it's already been asked, couldn't (well.. wouldn't) read all 122 comments haha. Great videos btw.
what are your thoughts on "wasting" the free crit from the 4pc bonus? In your burst rotation, the vanish comes right before the envenom, already guaranteeing an envenom crit, basically nullifying Vendetta's 100% crit chance. Is there a way we can use the vendetta crit and the 4pc crit seperately?
macheteman I am not sure what you mean...but let me break it down.
Score a stun > Vendeta + Marked for Death (next envenom is 100% crit) > DfA (2 part finisher, 2nd part is a 50% envenom) > (vendeta perk consumed) > Vanish ( 5 cp and next envenom is 100% crit) > Envenom (consumes the crit)
You forget DfA.
Yeap, just found out DfA acts as an envenom thus getting the crit from Vendetta...thought it was its own skill.
song name at 13:50?
why do you have 5 combo points after u cast vanish ? u already wasted your marked for death, tell me pls 15:05
+Alexander Wojadzis 4 piece PvP set bonus. Awards 5 CP and a crit buff for Combat and Assassination.
Hi, thank you for the helpful video. I have a question though: If I do the opener Cheap Shot > Vendetta/Marked for Death > DFA > Vanish > Envenom and then leave combat, I will see 2 Envenoms in Recount like I should, but there are times when I have zero crits. I thought the Enhanced Vendetta guaranteed a crit on the next Envenom (DfA) or am I wrong?
+Laffyapathy That buff can actually be dispelled. If you are using that on a Hunter, and they use Sac Pet, then it won't crit. It should be a crit though, so when it isn't its usually uncommon.
+Dalaran Gaming it was tested on a target dummy and the DfA rarely crit even with Vendetta up.
So weird, in my OS macro, DFA doesnt work...
What are your addons?
can you do a macro for the burst you did?
assassination is awsome for pvp gonna try combat next
Hey dalaran i followed you guide and i still only get 60k crits on my target dummy i dont get it what am i doing wrong? ( yes i have full season 2 pvp gear and even purple daggers) !
Combat rogue or assassination rogue for 2's with no healer?
Dalaran , in this patch , Assassination , SUB or Combat is more better? More damage?
Hotel Walença Both are good.
Hey Dal what's the best rogue spec for arenas at the moment? I'm stuck between sub and assassination...
iCresp Both are good
New to rogues and im having a rough time figured out each spec in arenas. Which spec would you say is the easiest to play? and or the best for 2s / 3s? I was playing sub in 2s and it seemed couldnt do enough damage to land a kill.
+Oswin Sub is a bit tough when first starting up a Rogue for PvP. I usually suggest people try out Assassination. It has good on-demand burst thats easier to execute, good sustain damage, and has good control. The spec will teach you energy management.
Combat is a bit more spammy with energy and requires more energy management as well as its Late Ramp-Up burst. Sub is all about set ups. If you can't set up properly or use your energy effectively then you might not deal any damage.
All 3 specs take time to learn. Rogue basics are hard to get down imo, but after that its fairly easy class to play. : )
how to you get 5 combo points after u vanish?????????????
+Mathias Lunnan FELLS BAD MAN, have the same problem!
+Mathias Lunnan it's because of the armor set he is wearing
+Quincy Gabteni sick m8
arent assassination rogues supposed to play with daggers? or :P im confused since im currently learning the class now :P
+TB topguN only if you use Ambush, which he doesn't.
Hey. I'm getting back into wow but i'm traumatized by rogues. I'm leveling an enhancement shaman, how would you advice me to counter rogues? Say a 1v1 situation where the rogue gets the jump?
+Foffandie Enhancement Shamans have a lot of healing. I suggest healing through their burst.
+Dalaran Gaming dalaran, rogue is a class I've dreamed of learning since vanilla. But I don't get how to use the defensives. When I duel a good rogue they always cloak (fire Mage) all my good shit and push so hard. I understand the burst but am I supposed to use defensives for more pressure or use them to stay alive
+Hunter Marsh That depends entirely on the situation. Do you need the to stay alive, or do you need them to get a kill? It's a highly situational choice, and something you just learn to get a feel for through practice.
Also in Bg´s i do like 80k Max crits some people do 140k i never got that
sorry that im very bad but after i use dfa i have no combo points for envenom can some 1 help me
Hey guys, I saw on some MoP open world pvp video a rogue sprinting like insane, idk if that is talent , or glyph or old spell-skill , but it was awesome... how to do that ? and is it still possible to do it ofc ? You know, like 2-3 sprints in a row ?
Burst of speed! 70% movement speed buff with a 3 sec cool down costing cheap energy
Sid I googled a bit and found out that in MoP it was only 15 energy, and now (WoD 6.2) is 30...
+DJ Sickey back in mop it also had no cd it was pretty op.
have you a oneshot makro for assasinrouge? :)
WayneOfficial1 for a rogue you actually have to play the game to be succesful rather than just hit one button to destroy. Enjoi
oK you did much better.. Great info and no music blasting your info away.
Is Assassination still that good after the 4 set bonus nerf where Vanish only gives 10% crit instead off 100% ??
+Sad Cupcake its decent, but that nerf put Sub and Combat Rogues ahead of Assassination for Arenas. That 100% guarantee was sooooo good
Please someone explain how he gets his combo points back for the envenom after vanish?....
+austincole1189 4-Piece PvP Bonus that Combat and Assassination share.
Dalaran Gaming thanks dude.
whats the addon that shows the energy/combo points?
mayofella Comergy
hey what is the addon to se your points on the side?
+Andrej Cibula Comergy. My addons can be seen in the description of most of my videos :)
oh didn't notice. Thanks :)
Why would i wanna stack mastery? it only increases damage done by my poisons
+Sonny Rosén Lozada Envenom itself is direct poison damage. So it makes those much more potent along with venomous wounds, which is your most consistent damaging ability on the target besides mutilate.
VenomLightning oh i see, thx
I don't know if you realised but your pronouncing subterfuge wrong
I got better gear atm than you had in this video,around 90% mastery and the dmg is even lower (around 100 k on dummy,so i guess they nerf it.but the video is great,thank you!
sub or assassination?
how do u sustain your energy? i cant control mine :(
Make sure your using the glyph of energy
what blades are you using?
+Evan Van Der Vliet the armory it's on description xD ( sorry english)
Even tho the 4 piece got nerfed to only 10% is this still viable
+xSzzle Its better to use it. You can go for only 2-piece Combo, but having extra 5 CP on Vanish helps make for offensive plays.
Transmog?
I can't decide between monk and rogue. Help.
Mikko Juntunen Both are really good currently. Both seem pretty fun as well.
Thanks! This helped me a lot! (not xD)
I think I'll just play both and decide which one's more fun.
+Mikko Juntunen I personally hate monk more than everything and really from what ive experienced the monks sucks atm
monk got nerfed rogue got buffed
I need this!
"If your not human" So sad... Way to go for the low hanging fruit.
Still taste good.
thank you!
i saw mercader's talent setup for combat he was runnning cheat death XD
Assassination doesn't do Eviscerate's, you meant Envenom's
my masterys at 98% and 31% crit
if u would add a beat to this video it would be a great rap song x)
Maybe change the title Dalaran? It say both Combat and Assassination
"Gaaaah cant decide. Assasinations dmg or Subs utility....
Hjula flandman ikr..
***** Cheers m8, sounds good.
+Hjula flandman Combat running.
You didnt get 127k, 128k and the 154k the middle was the average of the two hits xD
Game got so bursty again might as well use cheat death.
Im staying combat rogue lol
combat rogue for life
"easiest burst rotation in the game" you forgot about dks and hunters :c and the old combat (s)killing spree ;)
Great video, but you might try slowing down... You slur your speech a LOT.
female humans daggers re very big guys :(
sad transmog. thanks for the guide tho
hi, i just started to play assassination, but i NEVER crit over 100k.. I don't know what i'm doing wrong..
imgur.com/cSWPqTV
+You “Fackin” Bhop He's getting those crits against a training dummy. You're not going to see numbers like that in any pvp situation, except when you're full geared and you catch someone in boa's or a boosted character.
+Sean Vance
best envenom crit = 194k
BUT it was vendetta, 2 trinket, 2 enchance and pot
Talk slower mate? Thanks for the guide though, :)
;)
Damn it, assassination easier than combat? lol nope.
bad =/