Kitchen fire - An Electricians Day in London | Thomas Nagy
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Had an emergency callout to a kitchen fire at a rented property where I had to make safe the fixed wiring electrics after a fridge had caught fire. The poor tenants had just moved into that flat; the switched on the fridge and bang ... it just burst into flames.
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Re: cable ties
We pop rivited a length of double sided velcro to the bottom of ours, leaving a leash we can reusably secure the ladders to stop the noise.
Saves a fortune in cable ties and reduces the waste plastic.
The kind of velcro cable ties used in server rooms to wrap big bundles of cable.
Mr Darn be careful about that rivet, could be a spot for water to enter and eventually cause rust.
_-Delaware Scrap-_ not if they're fibreglass ;)
Delaware Scrap...are fibreglass lsadders actually fibreglass..dont they have a core of metal...insrtead of cable ties why notuse the strapping with the ratchet tighteners?
lucky the building didn't catch fire and everyone is ok. keep up The good work. Cheers from Australia.
No luck evolved Fire rated doors and ceilings saved lives that day.
I love watching how an electricians day consists of as I hope to be like u in the future because I’m studying electrical in college at the moment. Keep up the great work.
Been watching a lot of your videos over the past few days. I have no experience with being an electrician - I have an IT background. Just goes to show that you’re uploading good content. Very interesting and enjoyable. Good stuff!
Wise words from you there. I would just add that any kitchen (even a domestic one) should be equipped with both a 4kg size fire extinguisher AND a fire blanket.
Greetings from Australia.
Nice to see someone who has pride in their work.
I am a chef and I train apprentices and I am always telling them that pride in your work and the finished product are what makes you a professional.
Cheers for the vlog.
As an Electrician from Switzerland i find this pretty entertaining. Its pretty cool to see how you guys do in other countrys. Thanks for sharing.
Spent the last day binge watching all your videos safe to say your edits and general content has improved alot tom keep it up
Great message at the end Tom about us electricians being responsible for other peoples safety!
Nice touch cleaning the window on the fan replacement. True professional
Hi iv been a new subscriber for 2 days and i dont know why but i can't stop watching your videos . keep them coming nice to see a electrician who takes pride in his work.
i suspect that fridge had a refrigerant leak, and refrigerants are very flammable.
Yes there is gas in the lines you have the same in your ac in your car which helps to transfer the cold in and out
R134a is not flammable.
Freon is not flammable, is it? answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrBT9tVp1xax_4AR9dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyaHEwdXA3BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDQjQ0ODFfMQRzZWMDc3I-?qid=20080929060607AAGoyrY&p=freon%20flame
@@Electrician_In_Moscow we dont sue Freon in western Europe
Have done a lot of fire damage repair and here it is mostly the motors in old units that start the fire. Plus two inches of dust bunnies under and behind the appliance doesn't help. Vacuum under and behind your fridge once and a while boys and girls!
Anything built in the last 10 years will have the motor inside the compressor tank. My money’s on a wee mousy getting in and chewing the wires.
Anthony. I've just recently subscribed to your channel. I work for my local council with electricians every day. Even though I'm not a qualified spark I've picked up a little bit of knowledge in the field. I would just like to say your work is outstanding. Neat, tidy and very professional. Puts most of the lads I work with to shame. Keep up the good work and look forward to watching your future videos. I'd love to be your apprentice back in the day. 👍🏻
Tyre shopper, choose “continentals” last about 25k miles.... pay for your tyres on line then choose a fitting centre. Job done 👍
Thank you for showing this to us we electricians run across this occasionally and it scares the you no
No what out of us. If I had just wire that flat a year ago I could be blamed in a lawsuit just because I was there. Always make sure you have liability insurance even if it's not your fault
Great advice - hope people take note of that!
FULLY AGREE about being thorough - i allowed myself to really cut corners on my water heater hookup and didnt protect wires going into a junction box properly and it started a nasty electrical fire in the box several months later!!
Oh my... this fire was serious! They were very lucky to have gotten out alive! A very interesting yet scary video.
you have alot of pride in your work. Good job man. Best wishes from a fellow sparky from Canada
A timely reminder for all of us 😯
From the states here, Texas. I appreciate your interesting videos.
Feck me! Screwfix had something in stock???
gonna be a lucky apprentice whoever you get, my boss is a know it all cnut and hardly actually learn anything most of the time i learn myself with trial and error ha! love the vids mate
Good morning. I like London and your vlogs. Hi from Greece. I will be over for vacation soon.
EnglishMannInNewYork i guess you like Sting
Oh wow. That’s quite a reality check. Scary how quickly things can escalate
Thanks for reminding me that I need a new fire extinguisher for my kitchen...
The fire would appear to have been caused by a faulty appliance, that being said, I very much doubt an electrical safety check (EICR) or PAT test would have avoided this. A lot of these manufacturers are aware of defects on their products but simply refuse to recall them, the UK government need to get a lot tougher with these big companies.
agree completey,you do your test, it complies you walk away.
He contradicted himself.
AGREED
I think this video highlights the importance of fire safety in general. The appliance caught fire, there are ways to reduce this risk by ensuring you follow manufacturers instructions in terms of unpacking the appliance out of the box and location. Then reducing what can catch on fire - this is clearly the tricky one due to it being housed inside a cabinets which are flammable. But then looking into fire detection, fire fighting equipment, fire stopping etc.... but also ensuring the electrics are to a good standard. This fire engulfed the room fairly quickly and it is important to reduce the reaction time because a fire can start any time of the day.... We are more vulnerable at night when we are asleep so detection and alarms are vital. There is a lack of education on smoke alarms in our homes. Many believe they are just a nuisance but they are very easy and low cost to maintain. It really doesn't take much. So I advise many electricians get clued up on fire detection in homes, educate themselves on BS5839-6 and Part B of the Building Regulations and educate home owners / landlords / tenants on fire as well as electrics.
Chequered Tyres in N2 fella, great prices and a quick turnaround 🤙🏻
Cheers from the USA..
Good job
A proper Bugbear of mine. Don’t put isolators for cooking appliances in the cabinet above said appliance. It doesn’t comply.
What about cupboard underneath?
So true I have been practicing electrical for 19 years now and I never cut corners on any job, electricity is nothing to play with.
I bet the fridge was a BEKO
It is pretty alarming how any major appliance or electronic device can burst into flame without warning at any given time as seems to be occurring more often.There were issues with certain brands of dishwashers here in north America doing the same, starting on fire without warning and of course the materials they are made of or contain are by no means flame retardant. I am sure the fridge that once was in this kitchen was not insulated with fiberglass or rockwool but with some sort of expanding foam that once its been ignited, combusts rapidly and produces thick black smoke.
Observation, when I’m working at home or when I was on the job, I keep a small bag at my side to put small trash (wire insulation clippings & other clippings). It makes job cleanup faster and easier.
Awesome video again, very informative! Congrats for 20K as well!
I manage a radio station in Glasgow, when we moved into our new building. Our Digital broadcast desks, would crash every time we turned the studios lights on. Called an electrician in. Turned out the original had wired the lighting circuit in reverse.into the consumer unit IE Live was in Neutral
Try getting your tyres done via Asda Tyres. It’s run by Asda and done by local and global companies. Found them to be quite cheaper than usual prices just have to book in advance
Love the videos Thomas... as for tires, if your down SW London way, Morden Tyre Service .. a proper tyre fitter used them for 25 years
For your tires I recommend Laindon tires there just outside London in Basildon Essex
I love this type of stuff!!!
Hahaha I’m just like that always leaving my steps on site 😂😂😂
Great content like always
My favourite channel!
If you can, drive to Rugby, Warwickshire. We have a couple of awesome tire re-fit places. One in town and one near Brownsover
Wow, i really like this channel and you! I am in my second year in vocational school (not sure if thats the right word because google translate but hey) And i like your content, i learn alot and get to see how an electrician does his job and that inspires me to learn more and get more exitec to be an apprentice in the future. Greetings from Norway :)
I had my dishwasher catch fire on Thursday took the whole kitchen out in 5 mins
I'm sorry for your loss. Will you get remarried?
Did you find out why the diswasher caught fire ?
Probably a bit hot under the collar. :)
Do you mind giving the age Richard and perhaps the brand initials? B are subject to a recall due to faulty power leads.
Larkhill21 and slightly older ones are subject to a recall for a faulty relay.
Toolstation every time! Cheaper and more polite staff
At least they had the good sense to close the kitchen door which has limited the damage to the kitchen area and to be honest,the damage is not too bad, i have seen a whole house burnt out due to a fridge fire.
Sobering thoughts mate, memories of Grenfall tower.
That was arson
Doesn’t matter what I do, there is always something rattling in my van. It’s a forever battle
was good he said WHEN they go wrong instead of IF they go wrong
Bought a duplex with appliances included. Tenants move in and a year later one by one I was wasting time & money getting the appliances fixed. Finally I said screw this & had them all replaced. Tenants were all hugs & kisses, but I was gutted.
From now on the previous owners can keep their cheap crap & I will start fresh.
Some people somehow wreck everything they touch. They must wash clothes 3 times a day leave coins or live ammo in the pockets, break door handles. You will repair the appliance 2 or 3 times a year. Other people never have problems.
ha funny you should need tyres as im a tyre fitter, bit far away from london though work in a place called Autofit in ipswich. id recommmend getting some general vanco tyres decent quailty made by continental but under a different name and saves ya a bit of money.
Wish that there was a real quality brand that used non flammable plastics and was really safe. Would mind the price as long as it keeps me and my family safe.
Nice Volvo at the start :)
Ray Fenwick I thought that too. 1969 P1800
I think he meant the XC90
Do you know what make of fridge it was? BEKO, comes straight to mind.
Those stolen screwfix pencils are definitely the way forward. I seem to find them everywhere in the van haha
I find fridges are often fitted with a 13a fuses but the flex and internal cabling are often 0.75mm. In that situation you could easily have a fault condition that causes the fuse not to blow and wiring to catch fire. I usually switch them out for a 3a or 5a fuse instead. Seems to be more and more common to find household appliances with under-rated flexes, i assume to save money.
The Zanussi fridge freezer I bought last year has only got 0.5mm flex on it but 13a fuse in the plug, but it was always said that you need a 13a fuse to handle the current surge when the compressor starts up.
The fridge was probably charged with r290 which is a downfall for domestic fridges in my opinion. R290 is propane. And its standing pressure in the fridge is about 6 or 7 bar.. probably why it became uncontrollable so quickly. A live cable was probably touching the copper pipe and burst a hole when the fridge was switched on causing the propane to ignite
Just wondering, but is it a universal rule for all electricians that any bits of wire or other trash must be thrown onto the ground or floor? That's been my experience with electricians here in Ontario, Canada.
Ross Englefield Accurate. There also seems to be a new electrical code in Ontario to leave wirespools in the backyards, and wire sleeves all over the ground for the fucking finishers to pick up!
Ross Englefield LOL! 😂
Ross Englefield in the USA it’s written in the NEC. First page, first sentence.
You kidding? It's on the front cover! Giant red letters! Never Evacuate Copper!
Depends on the person, i have an empty pot or bucket near me at all times so clean up is easier but then i've met electricians that don't clean up full stop. Its the same for any trade though, some are methodical, some don't mind the extra work at the end and some are just boneidle bastards!
If one had a CO2 fire extinguisher it possibly could be used to put out such fires if the cabinets had sufficient holes for that (like for example most modern working machines have a dedicated hole where to inject the fire extinguisher). Being such a small and closed space a somewhat small amonut of CO2 might work.
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More than likely it was dust build up on the compressor. People Don't clean behind the fridge and let it run continuously. At night it's better to turn the fridge/freezer off and you should clean the back of the fridge every year or so with a Hoover.
Strangely enough, standard refrigerant is actually highly flammable.
You should make a video on replacing a Florescent Ballast 🙂
That's pretty incredible. It was supposedly a fridge that started the fire at Grenfell Tower, and we saw how horrible that was. Granted, Grenfell had a lot more issues, but people really don't understand just how fast fire can spread even in a safe, reasonable installation as well.
I don’t think it’s true. At all all a ploy for them to get money. Why did the man who’s place it started. Why was all his stuff packed and b4 any neighboutpr was told all his stuff was outside his door. He had time and knew what he was doing end of.
Webstack2017Webster. What relevance would that have to a fire engulfing a 24 Storey tower block?
Zzyxx Wolfe. All domestic fires spread quickly due to furnishings, fabrics, plastics, these are things which can`t be avoided. So the idea is early warning, in the form of detection, safe exit, and containment to one property. Any dwelling, whether it be Grenfell, or a house, is essentially a separate compartment from it`s adjoining neighbours, fire can only wipe out one property. Believe it or not, this actually happened at Grenfell when it encountered fires in the past. Only having money as God turned it into a death trap.
The problem with grenfell was how the fire spread. The exterior cladding turned out to be highly flammable. A fire in one flat should not burn the entire building down.
I guess Webstack Webster is a Tory.
Fridges are covered with flammable expanded foam insulation, and cables for the thermostat, light etc are often buried inside the foam. I have found small fridges which consume maybe 150w fitted with a 13a fuse and 0.75mm flex - a recipe for disaster.
What is with fridge fires in that country?! It seems a fridge fire like that took down an entire tower block. Not saying it doesn't happen but I don't think I have ever seen a fridge fire in the states. I'm wondering if the models sold there have something different about them.
Different refrigerants maybe, if it's toxic or harmful to the environment like CFC's are then it is banned in the EU which leaves less choice for manufacturers and some resort to flammable refrigerants. Also BEKO sold a bunch of fridges between 2000 and 2006 that like to burn houses to the ground and not all of them were returned.
maybe it was a secret ploy to get rid of pikey's from some areas :)))
What took down Grenfell wasnt the fact that a fridge caught fire, it was that exterior cladding that had been fitted to the building proved to be highly flammable. Furthermore the building had no working fire suppression.
The tower block fire was because the cladding had PU foam in just like the fridge
Peter Mulholland the cladding had PU or PIR type foam insulation in it just like the fridge and just like most new homes built since the mid 90s in the form of celotex. The manufacturers have been self certifying on fire safety and thermal values for a long time. Hence the ratings for both have changed since the fire
5k 3bed rewire! i need to move to london haha
isobutane as a refrigerant has always concerned me
The 5k quote for a flat rewire got me dancing as I paid £1500 for my 2 bed house in Kent but then it was completely gutted and empty
Got tyres from a friend from kwik fit for 23 pounds each for Michelin. You would have to come back to Devon though as I'm in Torquay
My Ice Maker heater element was falling off of the bottom of the ice tray and gets so hot when I open my freezer it smells. Kinda scary. Of and I live in a Mobile Home... Well in UK it would be called a Caravan Home because they don't have them there.
In UK we have touring caravans and static caravans or Mobile homes. Caravans some times stay at one site. Mobile homes are called that because they are not permanently fixed like Houses.
As a tiny baby I had only one dream. The dream was to become a you tube comment. Can I achieve this dream, or will I spend my days endlessly scraping the very fabric of reality with my chisel of uncertainty?
I saw an article a while back which said how many well known fridge and freezer manufactures who use insulation on the back of the fridge that isn't fire rated at all (in fact it burns violently)
That's terrible! Sooner or later those manufacturers will be sued.
3 bed flat 5k?
Dayum
London is crazy money
Slees absolutely bonkers imo
Posh neighbourhood. Parking restrictions = "make it worth my time". Alexander Street W2 - right across from my veterinarian :-) 3-bed flat ~£1.5M?
I wonder if it would make sense to use AFDDs for the kitchen appliances. They use much energy and get pretty toasty - might be worth the investment. Can you do a video about your thoughts on that?
Was the heating disabled in this apartment? Sounds to me like damage by freezing of water around the compressor (which has a basin above the compressor to get rid of condensed water. If the water has cracked the basin by freezing the compressor would have had water on it, which might lead to a spark - which would ignite any oil outside of the compressor.
If there's enough oil, for example by a leak, the copper pipes would fail pretty soon, igniting the rest of the oil while the pressurized gas in the system would blow the fire hotter and hotter.
And people said after the Grenfell Tower fire last year that fridges don't catch fire. Here is all the proof you need.
Fridges packed with probably questionable expanding foam, they go up quick, I caught my fence on fire once when I didn't watch a fire stove which was next to an old chest freezer, the foam stuff inside goes up real quick! I guess it doesn't contain any fire retardants..
Fridge Fires are becoming more common. I really would love to know why? The cheap products being used to make the newer fridges is criminal. Luckily no one was hurt. I cannot imagine the cost of repair. Some people could not afford the repair. Just really sad to see. I guess, one lesson is, invest in a Fire Extinguisher, may save a life.
DisabledPrepper also newer refrigerants are flammable
This is the first time I've ever seen a ventilator installed into the glass of a window! It looks like the cord to the fridge may have caused the fire, it definitely started low by the looks of it.
i t used to be very comment practice because cutting a hole in a wall was very time consuming a glass cutter can have that done in minutes a guy with a hammer and bolster will be there all day as we never had core cutters in the old days
Good video as usual . But I’d like to know what was being installed in the three bedroom rewire mentioned at the start of the video for it to cost as much as 5 grand 🤔 . Be good to get some ideas on your price guides as to ones this side of the border .
I always use Black Circles for tyres
lol, had our panel replaced today... electrician said we were lucky we didn't burn the house down. loose mains lugs.
Great video.
There has been significant awareness raised over the past few months with regards to the fire risk from white goods - let's not forget that Grenfell Tower started with exactly the same type of appliance.
The Communities and Local Government Committee (CLG) recently questioned Dame Judith Hackitt on the interim report into the building regulations and fire safety and there was little consideration of electrical compliance and safety. The committee even questioned her on the effectiveness of Part P - to which she confessed no investigation had taken place.
Interestingly the committee were under the opinion that electrical appliance and equipment safety came under the remit of Part P? and so it may just be that we have an update to Part P in the future which results in the need to regularly risk assess and maintain electrical equipment in the homes, especially building of multiple occupancy.
Good times. 😡
Love all your vids
Would be cool if you could do a video on what home gamers are and aren't allowed to do when it comes to elec jobs around the house. Cheers!
Do you know when the appliances were last tested?
Do most electricians even bother to test integrated appliances? ...seeing as it's not usually a simple plug-in test and you often have to go in by dismantling the isolator (assuming there is one).
That does not look electrical. An Electrical fire normally has a longer time frame. There was an accelerant involved there.
Most of the time integrated appliances aren't tested, the landlord normally asks for a PAT test portable appliance test and because they are fixed in place they don't come under the pat
Robbie Marshall- PAT testing doesn't just apply to portable appliances, it apply to fixed equipment too. The correct name for PAT testing is In-service Inspection and Test of Electrical Equipment. Any equipment a landlord provides for use by his/her tenant must be safe to use and fit for purpose weather it be a toaster or intergrated oven.
Alvin Ashman. No such thing as PAT testing anymore, there is no requirement for it.
There are only two things that can create excessive heat in electricity:
-Open circuits/high resistance, either heating motor coils or causing arcs
-Short circuits/low resistance, also causing arcs
so having a compressor in a confined space with no ventilation while in close proximity to a evaporator coil giving off excessive heat do to its function wouldn't cause heat in the motor then ??? i have in the past fitted extracts and ducting to the backs of big fridge units in restaurants to get rid of the heat because it was taking out the compressors they were going out on over heat
Hi. Really enjoy your videos. Would you be able to do a video about the qualifications/exams you need to pass to do what you do. Many thanks.
You see for your videos. If you can would it be possible if you could show us exactly how you would wire it test it in more detail. Because I’m studying my level 3 at the moment and I am very curious.
Shame about the fire,your videos are cool!Even cooler is the white 60s Volvo sitting dead at the start of the video 1min in where you just did quote ,any idea for sale ?This is on my list to restore ,let me know if any details ?
Most likely scenario. New fridges built in Europe or China the last 5 years, are using R600 butane gas or lighter fluid as the new Eco refrigerant it saves running costs and does not damage the Ozone layer. However, they are also using the cheapest components and tubing. You end up with a small blowtorch in the fridge when the gas leaks from the copper to alloy joints. Because the fridge had been sitting the gas would have built up in the enclosed space then a small spark would ignite the gas increasing pressure and the gas leak. In normal use, the fridge would leak slowly until no longer cooling. Most domestic fridges would contain around 55g of gas. Should you carry a refrigerant leak detector when testing new fridges if you're asked to check the appliance. At least look for corrosion at the joints. Be aware the burning plastic is emitting deadly fumes as well. Make sure the back off the fridge is vented to aid cooling and prevent gas build up.
Make them use all Copper plumbing in the Fridges.
If that explanation is true then the fridges would not past British safety standards and as such would be illegal to use.
All items pass required CE standards when new (well at least the sample does) however all have a risk of future failure. A certain brand of tumble dryer being a good example. I would be interested if anyone has seen one because I worked on them for 30 years and all had fluff on the element and none caught fire they just burned the fluff off as it touched the element. I saw some quite blocked up tumble dryers. One brand had a washer which switched the heater element on the neutral and toasted the clothes when an earth fault occurred every kitchen fire picture I saw in those days had the shell of what looked like that model. TOCs on the live, work fine untill someone wires a socket or switchboard(yes I have seen) up wrong, and like this case all the holes in the cheese lineup.
Rasmus: Good idea in case however so far Its a very rare event as in most cases the fridge will stop working before this happens and be removed. Normal kitchen use where extractor fans and doors being opened and closed would disperse any gas. Fat burning is a more likely situation use a wet towel. A normal fridge less than 5 years old only has around 55g of R600a. If built in make sure they have good ventilation, you need it to disperse the heat, thats how they get cold inside.
Good idea Richard, Just pop over to accounting and tell them.
Not sure if BlackCircles do vans but always a good place to start Mr.T, even if you don't buy from that site it's a good place to find local retailers/shops.
ZanderKaneUK small vans don't really differ from SUVs and other large cars in tire spec though.
3.5 k for flat, great vid cheers
When is the government going to clamp down on these dodgy appliances, and bring in new standards to protect lives and property?
commercial kitchens are mostly compliant. any homeowner that actually cares about this stuff will emulate the workplace.
there are perfectly safe Good quality appliances available . but no one wants to pay for them so beko, indeshit and chinese fridges thrive
😂😂😂😂 warden hope your cold! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
my guess is that they put something really hot in the fridge. they tried to cool lava but the heat was too much