edit 2: Update on Snobolds - LB them if they're close to the boss and they and the boss will both still be alive 12 seconds later. The explosion won't hit the snobold but it will still hit Gormok. edit: JK LB both Valks because the explosion dmg is dynamic and will do double dmg to your main target.
I had no idea about not LBing kobolds. Thank you for that information. My raid team was able to 50/50 tribute run on PTR so hoping for a nice launch night!
What do you think for ttw spec, its worth it to put extra 2 talents to student of the mind for getting extra spirit, instead of for example 2 talents into flame throwing because with 2 t9 set i think its should be worth it
What about fire in faction champions? Is it worth living bombing your main target at all? I know aoe is reduced by 75% but is the bomb damage still full on the one?
I play fire for it, I tab target LB and just use pyro on the primary kill target. Many times I end up just spamming pyro on it. I very rarely hard cast at all
Crat, I noticed you were casting frostbolts when your fireball got interrupted by snobolds in your most recent twitch VoD. Is there a reason for choosing frostbolt over FFB that I'm not aware of? I know about using frostbolt to bait interrupts, but this was when your fireball got locked. Is it just due to cast time lining up better with the interrupt duration?
@@Crateria Ah ok, thanks for the reply! I'm never awake when you are streaming but I always catch your twitch VoDs and I'm subbed. I'm hoping to one day be around for the log reviews you do lmao. My beasts parse is tanking my avg.
@Crateria in the video I see you’re applying living bomb to all 4 right away, it seems to me like when I do this and they explode and waste pyro procs. It felt like a dps increase to me to LB 2 of them cast scorch on 1 and then cast LB on the other 2, that way when the 1st 2 explode I can either spam pyro or reapply LB with at least some time in in between. Would love your thoughts
@@Crateria Up till last week I had 4 piece T8 still, so it felt like there was a lot of waste from the volume for procs I was receiving because of the 4 set bonus, bombs going off while I already had a proc to use didn’t feel good. I just dropped to 2 set so hopefully this will even it out. Appreciate your response!
These are all insanely helpful tips but i feel like arcane is being left off, may you update this video with more arcane tips if those ever come? Thanks
The parts about saving CDs apply to arcane even more so and thats really is all there is. Arcane is just ST, and the only real fight to take advantage of IA is valks. You could pre fire ward on beasts and if fire goes on you then you could get an IA proc as you run out of it but I can't think of too much else. That said I didn't play arcane much on the PTR. If I do a rankings guide I do a how to for arcane like I did with Ulduar.
would there be a niche fire mage spec that takes the +% dmg when under 35% hp specifically for anub? or not worth? another 20% during burn phase seems pretty big
Would the talent 'burning determination' ever be worth for the interupts off snowbalds and the Valkyr boss? Perhaps the window for immunity would mean less frostbolt casts idk
@@Crateria On WoWhead they drop 2 points from clearcast for the Magic absorb talent - whats your opinions on this? Is it just for defence or does the absorption effect give you a good amount of sustained mana on any fights
@@bluesnshrews it's just to help out healers and doesn't have as much relevance in TOGC as it did in Ulduar. I don't think it's necessary to take it but you certainly could. Like I have in the description, flex points between MA, clearcasting, SoTM, and flame throwing, however you'd like. There's no right or wrong.
When being fire on the pvp fight, how would one optimally use LBs for A) parsing (or lets just say killing quickly) and B) cleanly killing? Do the enemy healers use dispells to remove LBs? Otherwise according to the anub table but then taking into account that not all LBs safely hit the current skull target, I would imagine aiming for like 3-4 LBs ist good and then fluctuating depending on HS proccs and required movement - or is it better to only use LB on the main target until all healers are dead? What do you think?
It is not since it's half dmg to that add and you do double dmg to your main target, so the difference is too large to be worth. This is something I should have mentioned.
It has to do with the client being updated to retail which has this feature embedded into the game where it will prio targetting a mob that is casting.
Should I run the TOGC Arcane Faction Champs Spec until I'm more familiar with the fight, and then switch to TOGC Arcane IA Spec? Is that what "flex points out of survivability" means?
Concerning the list at 6:15, that basically means, that it is a single target dps increase on Anub to LB the adds due to more Hotstreak Proccs? Why is this not the case for Ignis? LBs there seem to be a single target dps decrease even when there are 3 adds (according to the logs). Does this change with Tier 9 gear? Why is it a dps increase now - or does the situation for ignis differ for some other reason?
@@chrisgrady9511 In nearly all highest dps ignis logs the mages only applied LB to Ignis himself, not to the adds and yes, I'm looking at the Casts tab, not the dmg tab, where dmg to the adds won't appear.
It's because the boss is dead by the time the 4th add comes out and the DPS difference between living bombing all targets and just 1 target is very small at a target count less than 5. Also if LB is up on all targets when you're knocked up then you don't have any targets to instant cast during the knock up (unless you have a HS proc).
edit 2: Update on Snobolds - LB them if they're close to the boss and they and the boss will both still be alive 12 seconds later. The explosion won't hit the snobold but it will still hit Gormok.
edit: JK LB both Valks because the explosion dmg is dynamic and will do double dmg to your main target.
What would we do without you Cratbrother.
you're really treating us with these cratPoggin
much appreciated as always!
I had no idea about not LBing kobolds. Thank you for that information. My raid team was able to 50/50 tribute run on PTR so hoping for a nice launch night!
Crat be cooking 👨🍳
Ty criteria, I'm new mage, just hit 8p, ur videos helps a lot
How do you use your cooldowns on the 1st boss / the Beasts? Always had a problem with deciding when to use them and when to use the pot
The last set of adds that burrow, do you guys apply LB on them?
What do you think for ttw spec, its worth it to put extra 2 talents to student of the mind for getting extra spirit, instead of for example 2 talents into flame throwing because with 2 t9 set i think its should be worth it
up to u theyre flex points
Cool tips ! I really think that spirit crit mages will shine, with the new gems and 2 T9 bonus, spirit/crit mage will be a thing for sure.
well look at the p3 bis list... how many spirit items are on it? There's your answer
what do you mean spirit crit mages lol? just gear the way the bis list says dont try to be fancy, this is simmed to be the most optimal
thanks for the vids bro
Good stuff, thanks a lot!
Thanks so much for this video !
Sorry but I am not a native speaker : what is a HOP ?
hand of protection
@@Crateria Duely noted. Thanks a bunch !
What about fire in faction champions? Is it worth living bombing your main target at all? I know aoe is reduced by 75% but is the bomb damage still full on the one?
I play fire for it, I tab target LB and just use pyro on the primary kill target. Many times I end up just spamming pyro on it. I very rarely hard cast at all
Thanks for the video bud.
appreciate the pannenkoek reference
We can actually cast 2 living bombs using 1.5 key presses. But first, we're going to have to talk about parallel universes
Crat, I noticed you were casting frostbolts when your fireball got interrupted by snobolds in your most recent twitch VoD. Is there a reason for choosing frostbolt over FFB that I'm not aware of? I know about using frostbolt to bait interrupts, but this was when your fireball got locked. Is it just due to cast time lining up better with the interrupt duration?
nah FFB just wasn't on bars at that moment XD watch out for drive-by snobolds
@@Crateria Ah ok, thanks for the reply! I'm never awake when you are streaming but I always catch your twitch VoDs and I'm subbed. I'm hoping to one day be around for the log reviews you do lmao. My beasts parse is tanking my avg.
Thanks for the video!
do we living bomb darkbane on twins
Great vid! Thnx soooo much, makes me a better mage!!
@Crateria in the video I see you’re applying living bomb to all 4 right away, it seems to me like when I do this and they explode and waste pyro procs. It felt like a dps increase to me to LB 2 of them cast scorch on 1 and then cast LB on the other 2, that way when the 1st 2 explode I can either spam pyro or reapply LB with at least some time in in between. Would love your thoughts
u can fill the explosions where you dont get a hs proc with an LB application, you have to be quick tho for it
@@Crateria Up till last week I had 4 piece T8 still, so it felt like there was a lot of waste from the volume for procs I was receiving because of the 4 set bonus, bombs going off while I already had a proc to use didn’t feel good. I just dropped to 2 set so hopefully this will even it out. Appreciate your response!
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These are all insanely helpful tips but i feel like arcane is being left off, may you update this video with more arcane tips if those ever come? Thanks
The parts about saving CDs apply to arcane even more so and thats really is all there is. Arcane is just ST, and the only real fight to take advantage of IA is valks. You could pre fire ward on beasts and if fire goes on you then you could get an IA proc as you run out of it but I can't think of too much else. That said I didn't play arcane much on the PTR.
If I do a rankings guide I do a how to for arcane like I did with Ulduar.
@@Crateria Thanks a lot props to you for making these useful guides I frequently check your vids have a good day
Crat. The people's mage.
what are your thoughts on running a frost/arcane spec for faction champions?
you can go frost but I think arcane outweighs it. Blizz isnt needed with hunter trap either
My guild will probably continue to do Ulduar with phase 3. Would it be best to keep IA arcane spec and TTW fire spec or just do Ulduar has TTW fire?
You only need to be Arcane if your raid is missing 3% dmg buff
would there be a niche fire mage spec that takes the +% dmg when under 35% hp specifically for anub?
or not worth? another 20% during burn phase seems pretty big
all fire specs take molten fury
@@Crateria ah im mixing 2 taeltns up
Was thinking of fiery payback but prob not worht i guess after re-reading it
@@Rev0UK1 yeah you never take fiery payback since it gives your pyro a cd
for the pvp fight, what major glyph should we replace for the polymorph glyph?
glyphs are in the linked spec
Would the talent 'burning determination' ever be worth for the interupts off snowbalds and the Valkyr boss? Perhaps the window for immunity would mean less frostbolt casts idk
I wouldn't recommend it no, it only prevents subsequent interrupts and you really only get kicked from them once. Just bait out the kick
@@Crateria On WoWhead they drop 2 points from clearcast for the Magic absorb talent - whats your opinions on this? Is it just for defence or does the absorption effect give you a good amount of sustained mana on any fights
@@bluesnshrews it's just to help out healers and doesn't have as much relevance in TOGC as it did in Ulduar. I don't think it's necessary to take it but you certainly could. Like I have in the description, flex points between MA, clearcasting, SoTM, and flame throwing, however you'd like. There's no right or wrong.
When being fire on the pvp fight, how would one optimally use LBs for A) parsing (or lets just say killing quickly) and B) cleanly killing?
Do the enemy healers use dispells to remove LBs? Otherwise according to the anub table but then taking into account that not all LBs safely hit the current skull target, I would imagine aiming for like 3-4 LBs ist good and then fluctuating depending on HS proccs and required movement - or is it better to only use LB on the main target until all healers are dead? What do you think?
Arcane will still be better, LB is going to be dangerous for breaking CC.
u cant parse the pvp fight ?
@@deedud Oh yes you can, it is just not listed on the player inspection.
@@garrettmerryman7048 I wasn't asking if Arcane would be better, but given the scenario that one is fire, what are the best LB strats.
@DostLP it it doesn't count. You can't parse on it
Is it worth using LB on both adds for Twin Valks or just the one?
I think you would mainly because they most likely will be tanked on top of each other so there will be splash damage on both
It is not since it's half dmg to that add and you do double dmg to your main target, so the difference is too large to be worth. This is something I should have mentioned.
I don't quite understand the macro at 5:00 how does it target a casting enemy over a random one infront of you?
It has to do with the client being updated to retail which has this feature embedded into the game where it will prio targetting a mob that is casting.
Should I run the TOGC Arcane Faction Champs Spec until I'm more familiar with the fight, and then switch to TOGC Arcane IA Spec? Is that what "flex points out of survivability" means?
yes thats what I mean, once your raid has fight down more you can transition to arcane IA for it, or fire all together which pumps on that fight
@@Crateria awesome, thank you!
What do you cast to bait Kiss if you're FFB?
you still just use frostbolt
What was actually going on with the bam clip I actually can’t work out what’s going on 😂
same
can you link your plater profile too?
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What is a HoP? Is he meaning BoP?
hand of protection, hop = bop, it's technically no longer called bop
the 'op cs macro' could be made much shorter with a /targetlasttarget instead of doing that focus clear. and that even lets you use it with a focus
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hey bro, you can share your profile Elviu? plz
i dont use elvui, you can find my addon profiles pinned in the addons channel of my discord
Concerning the list at 6:15, that basically means, that it is a single target dps increase on Anub to LB the adds due to more Hotstreak Proccs?
Why is this not the case for Ignis? LBs there seem to be a single target dps decrease even when there are 3 adds (according to the logs). Does this change with Tier 9 gear? Why is it a dps increase now - or does the situation for ignis differ for some other reason?
It's the same for Ignis if you are TTW, not the case if you are FFB though since your pyro's don't hit as hard
@@chrisgrady9511 In nearly all highest dps ignis logs the mages only applied LB to Ignis himself, not to the adds and yes, I'm looking at the Casts tab, not the dmg tab, where dmg to the adds won't appear.
It's because the boss is dead by the time the 4th add comes out and the DPS difference between living bombing all targets and just 1 target is very small at a target count less than 5. Also if LB is up on all targets when you're knocked up then you don't have any targets to instant cast during the knock up (unless you have a HS proc).
@@Crateria Ok, so LBs do actually become REAL natural cleave now that increase single target dps, sick!
Anyone who calls it HoP can not be trusted
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can someone link his plate profile pls ? love the vid