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I think it's possible that the Mask and the tear might of been a trick by the Giants, using a similar method to how Jormungander was sent back in time to place it in certain places, hence why only "Loki" could use it, and why it had Greek writing, and why it references places in Norse Myth Odin would recognize once translated. While the tear itself not actually possessing knowledge, just having a hypnotic effect to make on think it did. The Giants Tales always struck me as somewhat off, making the Giants too noble and perfect, with element that didn't add up or even contradicted each other, and we know Thor wasn't how they described, been far less bloodthirsty and cruel The reason I think they did this is cause Odin likely wouldn't of been as evil or cruel without it, cause with it promise of "infinite knowledge" including life and death, then who cares what you to get it, as any harm can be undone once you do, but without its "promise", there's no way Odin could afford to be so callous or brash, and thus wouldn't make so many enemies or drive potential allies away
Not sure if it’s a theory but technically there were 2 Kratos’ in GOW2. One who went back in time and the other who saved by the future Kratos. He could still be alive
MLouieGaming has an interesting theory about Faye and her status for future games. He pieces together a few things I hadn't thought of. Basically claiming Faye is alive and in the higher plane of existence. It's a cool video at least.
around 0:54 ..... Saying no one could accuse Kratos of being the talkative type. Would be nice if the person who did this video, actually played the GoW series. Kratos being too talkative is exactly what I hated about GoW 3. He wouldn't shut up during the entire game... and dialogue was horrible.
I'm still convinced that sindri will be the antagonist for the next one. He will travel to Egypt to seek the book of the dead to reclaim/fix broks soul. I think the book will be linked to the "higher plane", acting similar to the mask and we will be looking trying to stop him.
I always assumed Kratos spoke more calmly in the 2018 game because he use to be hot headed, blinded by rage and overtime he learned to think before speaking as to not become who he was.
it was shown in written lore he'd go on trips in midgard for days to kill draugr and creatures to help harness his anger properly. Atreus mentions it lightly in saying "He always leaves." and "You've never taken me hunting with you. So why now?" So he's definitely gotten alot off his plate and a determined Father to not repeat the horrid feat he Hates himself for.
@@bizzaroblake2519 yeah plus there is that scene in the prequel comic where he's attacked by ...wolves? If I remember correctly where he didn't fight back.
@@konstantinosvlachos7057 he looks for things to attack him to try not to reciprocate, when he's attacked by wolves he controls himself and lets them beat him up for so long that they just stop out of exhaustion, then a troll arrives and starts killing the wolves and attacking him, when he goes home he says that he "lost to a troll" which Atreus tells him that it's already incredible that he lived after fighting a troll, then Kratos gets angry and tells him that he doesn't understand, that he won the battle against the troll but lost the one against himself. Then the next panel reveals Kratos absolutely bodying the troll out of sheer anger That's how I remember it anyway but it's been a while
To build on the Greece Reborn theory: I think that its going to be revealed in a God of War spinoff starring Atreus that the Greece Realm and its gods were reborn as the Roman Pantheon. It would explain why their stories were used by the romans with just different names. What would be fun with this is because Mars was more respected than Ares in this world Mars is a redeemed/repentive Ares who wishes to break the cycle and could ally with Atreus, becoming friends with the son of the man whose life he ruined.
That would actually be pretty interesting but I gotta assume a bunch of gods are still gonna be shit heads. Either way seeing Ares reborn and helpful to Atreus would be amazing
That would actually be pretty interesting but I gotta assume a bunch of gods are still gonna be shit heads. Either way seeing Ares reborn and helpful to Atreus would be amazing
@@windmaster9 the stories they have told have been amazing, they will have some good ideas. You have to think about a lot of these theories spring from the stories they made.
@@bn-tc2tk The main antagonist I could see for something like that would honestly be Minerva, who is typically portrayed with all of Athena's very worst traits, lost Athena's status as a War God, and only holds a place on the "Olympian" council due to technically being Jupiter's First Born. It would be an interesting reversal for Mars to aid in subduing, but not killing, Minerva because, despite all her issues, She is still necessary.
@@Marcel16DM I remember hearing them call it something else. But I also just remember them stating how his fight with Thor seemed personal . I think it was Mimir that said it
@@vagoslordofcinder7861yes, it means World Serpent in Norse, but in game it's also literally his name. The writers have confirmed their intention, that the soul of the giant was named Jormungandr before it was put in the snake.
She was evil from the start. The way she didn’t remove the memories of his family and manipulated him throughout the series. Yeah she shielded him from Zeus but, we all protect our investments.
Sure you can have your head canon, but that's not the official dev canon. She was corrupted after death. And she didn't deny to remove Kratos' nightmares, that was Zeus, she tried to convince him infact to free kratos from his nightmares but Zeus wasn't having any of it. When you know this guy has the capacity to destroy your kingdom (olympus) then either you try to kill the guy or make friendship with him so he doesn't go against your kingdom. Athena was going with the later approach, she knew what kratos is capable of and he was going to overcome every hurdle, that's why she kept aiding him and wanted to make peace between olympus and Kratos. But Zeus is a fucking idiot and full of pride so he tried to destroy kratos, neither he relieve kratos of his nightmares nor he asked for forgiveness for what happened to Callisto and Deimos. He failed of her pleas and plan. If he would have done so it would have been avoided. Anyone not having read GoW1/2 novels will not understand Her actions and why she did things that she did. Not for some of all of her own greed and all of that nonsense. She was a loyal Olympian that's why she gave up her life for it. And I generally have a question for something thinking otherwise that she had a mask of innocence from the start, why did she uncover that mask suddenly after death in gow3? She could still had her mask in gow3 it's not like kratos was gonna change his plans to kill zeus if Athena pretended to be still on Zeus' sides? Huh? Her original plan of keeping the mask of innocence was going very well, right before death she was shouting "save zeus" and suddenly she comes and "kill zeus"? Whole reason why kratos became skeptical of her in GoW3. If she would have kept her mask she would had a lot better chance.. This doesn't seem like Athena to me..
@@ohiosfinest she wasn't evil from the start the devs confirmed it so many times, she got corrupted after dying and became greedy. there is no question about that she was good.
she wasn't evil from the start the devs confirmed it so many times, she got corrupted after dying and became greedy. there is no question about that she was good.
I could see Greece over time being rebuilt for sure. Kratos never killed Aphrodite in 3 and he never killed any others such as Apollo, Artemis, Demeter and Hestia.
It was revealed that Kratos have spent over a 100 years in Midgard in the Lore and Legends book. But as for how much time passed when he travelled from Greece to Midgard remains unknown.
Kratos is technically a spirit, he lost his mortal body in the 1st game and pulled his soul out of hades. The 2nd game kind of confirms this when the hands of hades pull his soul back into hades. Every other time he fell in.
Athena saying "they will not know what to do with it" was always understood by me as a reference to the lost souls floating about the sky, souls who were purposeless because Kratos had killed their "keeper" Hades.
How does that make any sense? She only says that when he releases the power of hope not when he kills hades. I don’t think she even cared about hades being killed or even reacted.
We can gather from Freya's dialogue about Tyr temple being underwater for 150 winters as an estimate of how long Kratos walked the realms between the end of GOW3 & 2018. As for how he got to Midgard, that was explained in the novelization of 2018, Kratos has a nightmare in which he relives a moment where he is cornered by 3 giant wolves & under the command of a mysterious woman. The wolves are Skol, Hati & Gram(presumably) as the woman who commanded them it’s heavily implied to be Faye. Hati lunges at Kratos biting down on his leg & drags him from the tundra to Midgard.
I always assumed the Athena we see after her death was purely in kratos’ head and is just a manifestation of his guilt/rage which is why her personality changes to his view of it rather than her real one
How can a manifestation upgrade your weapons? Doesn't she upgrade Kratos blades of Athena to the blades of exile. I thought she was a weird spirit ghost like Zeus is when you kill him in God of War 3 and you fight him again.
I didn't tought that "Týr is a Aesir" was a theory... like: Gna is also a Vanir god and is not Freya's family, she was an old friend of Freya. To be an Aesir or a Vanir doesn't need to be from Odin's blood or Freya's and Freyr's blood. Sorry for the english...
It was revealed that it took Kratos a little over a century to get to Midgard & that both he and Faye spent about hundred years there together before the start of the game. Also, it was confirmed by one of the devs (and also by Cory Barlog himself, i believe) that all the pantheons exist in the same universe.
I think the fear that escaped Pandora’s box also affected Odin and the Norse pantheon. I believe this will be a common theme in the series going forward
Dude just the little beginning clip is so awesome to me. Imo the way Kratos ever so slightly moves his head in approval and grunts is almost saying “Im proud of you” and Atreus reciprocating it is saying “thank you for understanding”. Just my view on it and I love it so damn much
It would be cool if Greece was rebuilt as Rome, and the Greek gods came back as their Roman versions. This would be cool to be featured in a game seen by Atreus
"Took place of Loki in the lore and adopted by Odhinn as an infant" In the lore Loki was never an adopted son of Odhinn, Loki was in fact his brother of blood (but not related) in some versions, and a "simple" trickster in other ones. In some versions is a primordial being, incarnation of fire and chaos, and usually he take the aesirs away from trouble with his mind when the strenght didn't work.
Something I find interesting, is that alot of Characters seem to use Odin as a scapegoat, more than once throughout the game, the characters discuss some horrible thing they did or were planning to do, and their justification for it was "Odin makes us do it" No matter the ruin and destruction they bring, no matter the harm they cause to innocents, they always pass it off as "Odin's Fault". Take Fimblewinter, or "The Desolation", throughout GOW Ragnarok, everyone tries to pin it on Odin. But what caused it was Buldar's Death, who was killed by Kratos, in response to the madness Buldar had caused by Freya, you might try to say that none of it would've happened if Odin hadn't sent him after them, but then what about Faye, who unlike Odin knew how things would play out, and intentionally arranged for it to happen If you read Gna's Journal, you find out that Freya has always played the victim, and some of Mimir's tales about the Giants seem kinda, off... - In the tale of Hrungnir the Stone Giant, Odin brings the titular Giant to Asgard to party, and when Hrungnir gets drunk, he starts jumping about and raving about how he's going to kill everyone there, then Thor walks in and kills Hrungnir. This story is used to frame Odin and Thor as cruel and nasty, but put yourself in Thor's shoes, if you walked into a room and saw a large, drunk man spastically ranting and raving about killing everyone in said room, wouldn't you try to stop it? - The story about Mjolnir been stolen tries to pass off the one who did it, Thrym, as been "cunning" even though all he did to get it was luck out in finding Thor asleep, and just robbed him, an act that required zero cunning, then offered to give it back in exchange for Freya's hand, which given the fact that the hammer was the greatest weapon of the greatest Giant-slayer in the 9 Realms, is a move any sane man would call "retarded" - The account of how Asgard's Walls were built tries to pass of the Gods as double-crossing backstabbers, except they upheld the bargain they made with Hrimthur, and gave him with his audience with Freya. Now yes, they did kill him afterwards, but nothing in the bet was said about him leaving alive, however, when you stop to think about the tale, certain questions pop up, if Hrimthur expected to leave alive, why request an audience with Freya to tell her the walls weakness instead if taking that info back to the Giants? and why did Hrimthur make a bet at all, instead of asking for cheap but reasonable price for his labor so as to not arose suspicion? In the original myths, it was the Gods who made the bet at Loki's behest cause the price been asked for was so outrageously high - The tale of Groa the Giant Sorceress portray's her collecting every scrap of magical knowledge to expand her power as a good thing, but every story of Odin doing the same is portrayed in a negative light, even though she's only doing it to find her husband while Odin is trying to prevent in the end of the world - And everyone throughout the 2018 game agrees that Ragnarok coming to pass is a bad thing, but when telling the story of Surtur the Fire Giant, Mimir insists that the Giant's devotion to making it happen is a good and noble thing Of course, Odin has done reprehensible things, but you have to wonder, what parts of the story are we not hearing?
GNA is exactly a non biased representation of truth, even when beaten by Kratos and forgiven by Freya she still stands with the dead All Father. She would portray all of his acts in a good light no matter what because she served him 100% loyally no matter what he did. It was shown in the game time after time what a bad God Odin was. He wasn’t trying to prevent Ragnarok for anyone but himself. He did all that for the answers he wanted. Nothing mattered to him but that and even when given the chance to be better at the end he still admitted he couldn’t be like them.
Nah, we know from Odin's behavior that he's done shitty things, and based on what the protags did in the game, we know that Ragnarok could've been avoided, circumvented, changed or ameliorated without any of the stuff Odin did to try to "prevent it". And honestly the whole "stopping Ragnarok" thing felt more like an excuse that Odin used to continue his controlling, abusive behavior. Case in point, Loki gave him an out and he didn't take it.
If yall remember at the end of God of war 3 after the credits you'll see a blood trail leading off the cliff into the ocean but at the beginning of the blood trail he was on a engraved phoenix meaning when he died he came back like a rising Phoenix so he'll always come back
That's a cool idea; Kratos as Farbauti returning as a wise god to repair/salvage/save the hellscape of Greece, fighting against the evils he unleashed (assuming they didnt die with the gods)
Kratos is basically ironically if Aries turned to Mars, Aries was a despised Deity in Greece who represented the Brutality of war, most depictions by Greeks depict as a vengeful deity Mars on the Other hand is a wise and respectful Deity who is reviered by Rome and its people, Mars is also an Agrarian Deity having Scared Chickens and honored Fesitivals.
I was so waiting for Mimir to tell Odin just who Kratos is, and what he has done. Mimir had HEARD of the Ghost of Sparta, and figured out that was Kratos.
Kratos can definitely die he just can't commit suicide. He can't die of old age (due to being a God) and was cursed by the Greek God's that he can't take his own life. It's how he survived the end of God Of War 3 it was explained in the novelization of God War 4
No one has cursed him, think about it, whenever he dies he goes to the underworld? In gow3 when he stabbed himself and killed himself, the underworld was destroyed, Hades wasn't there to claim his soul, and when Hades died all the souls escaped the underworld. That's why he didn't die, death just means he goes to the underworld, it's not like our world where no body returns.. In gow1 when he committed suicide, before he was dying he was saved by athena. And not to mention he is doomed by destiny to be alive, so many times people have tried to kill him but he gets saved by someone.
I still think all the locations exist on our physical earth like Greece and Scandinavia, the nine realms just exist in like a different dimension but occupy the same physical location like Mimir said
This isn't a theory but it's a fact NO ONE (NOT EVEN Santa Monica) remembers... But when Athena appears in The Realm of Hades, she passes through Kratos' body to grab the Blades of Chaos, and she turns them into The Blades of Exile. GoW3. No joke
The only thing about the Norse saga I wished to see was Terrence Carson a flashback scene for a young Kratos as an Easter egg/call back. I don’t remember seeing one if it was in either game at least.
I also have a theory that Odin may not be entirely dead also. Right before their big fight, Odin releases both Huginn and Muninn. Muninn gets caught, but Huginn manages to escape, their names also translate to "thoughts" and "memories". Perhaps they also function as "holcruxes" like Lord Voldemort. It would also help explain how Odin would have the time to be both Odin and Tyr also. In Asgard we see Odin only speaking to Huginn, while Muninn is missing, perhaps it was Muninn masquerading as Tyr also.
@@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м On replay, Atreus does say "Oh Huginn made it. Good for him!" when walking through the epilogue walk through the Holt. You can also see Huginn perched on a branch way at the top of the ceiling in the area he says this.
Honestly, if Kratos does kill the Demiurge in GoW 3…3, then he'll be lined up next to a certain group of Japanese teenagers, especially one who shot him in the face.
One reason for why Kratos was slower to speak in God of War (2018) could be from how Kratos changed from how he once was. After claiming his revenge and fulfilling what the oracle foresaw, he realized all he had done was wrong and upon realizing he couldn’t die at his own hands, ventured off to new lands in order to be alone. No longer looking to cause more destruction, as he did in Greece, and so he doesn’t wish to cause trouble by rushing into a blind rage as before.
It depends on how bold they’re feeling the day they start drafting storylines. Yaldabaoth’s existence would pretty much prove the existence of God the Father and Jesus Christ, not to mention Gnosticism is a heretical sect on its own anyways
@@av_8596 I don’t think it’s a problem on its own, but the fear of backlash would probably stop them from doing this whole Demiurge thing. That’s why the original ending of GoW3 (Kratos becoming one of the wise men and visiting Jesus) never made it to the big screen despite what was hinted in earlier games The only way I can see a Demiurge storyline is if they use the Demiurge from Plato’s teachings, but Plato’s Demiurge seems to be a benevolent figure which is a contradiction to what we see with the fake Athena
@@Ok-kk8ei I see what you mean. But I think Santa Monica can work around it. They don't even have to mention Jesus; they could just focus on the Demiurge rebelling against Monad, the True God. SM is no stranger to changing characters from classic myths for the sake of the story; look at GOW2 and 3. To fight the being who created all the pantheons of the world is so tempting, I don't see why SM not going for it. Or at the very least try.
@@Ok-kk8ei Also, Gnosticism isn't exactly excluded from video games. Look at series like SMT/Persona or the Xeno games. I mean, in the Xenosaga trilogy, we directly see both Jesus and Mary Magdalene (I don't wanna give too much away, just in case you haven't played or seen the games). Granted, I know that those games were made in Japan and for the most part (as far as I know), references to Gnostic myth and figures are more for aesthetic purposes instead of actually including the core elements of the religion (the duality between the material body and the soul, obtaining spiritual knowledge for salvation, etc.) into the story, much like how Evangelion did with Judeo-Christianity. Even so, the fact that Gnosticism is used in video games at all shows that it can be done. And it would be pretty interesting for a western studio to put in their games. I say go the extra step. Experiment! It's worth a try.
There was a painting in god of war Ascension if you press on that the massage comes "of all the prophecies I have seen, this one haunts my dreams" And after this painting becomes earth image and the massage appears "WHEN THE EARTH STOPS, THE JOURNEY BEGINS..." I always thought this was a tint for sequel in another mythology and this came true
I like that theory that he is more deliberate with what he says because he is trying to speak a language he is not familiar with, that would also explain why through Kratos we can understand all the Norse Aesir and Vanir as well as the Dwarven races. He can understand them, he just can't pronounce their words as easily. the theory about the final battle though, oooh this would be sweet, though makes me wonder how many other gods he would have to battle, how many other worlds he would have to travel to, how many people are going to get offended by the games in the future LOL
The death prophecy came true. Thor did kill Kratos and Atreus did go to Asgard. Thor just brought Kratos back from the dead, but the prophecy was fulfilled.
The concept of Demiurge is great to expand the story and universe of GoW ! And I would sure like to see Athena again as the new boss villain in a higher plain
All I know is I want more God Of War. I like Atreus and will even play a game with just him, but we better keep getting Kratos stories. And on Atreus, the writers of the game did an excellent job with the Giants going to foreign lands. Because, Giants exist in almost all Mythologies, and they can very easily say that those Giants were Norse. And, I would like for Kratos to peek in on Greece, I don't need an entire game set there, maybe just a giant level. And, I personally think Kratos will be loved there. He killed the Fates, allowing everyone to not have their Fates decided, before birth. He killed a lot of awful Gods, he gave hope to the people. The higher realm stuff, sounds like a Wuxia story, and I'm down for it.
The first stranger (Baldur) boss fight is just perfect. It’s my favorite boss fight in my 19 years of life and 13 years of gaming. His mysterious appearance coming out of nowhere, the worst possible timing for Kratos. His son isn’t ready, he’s still recovering from the wounds of Greece, he’s still trying to cover up his history. And Baldur, although speaking of the giants, doesn’t realize Kratos believes he’s speaking about the Greeks.
The oracle theory isn’t really a theory to me, other than the speculation on who she actually was. It seemed obvious to me that she wasn’t altruistic or good hearted, and the Omega symbol necklace seemed like a dead giveaway too. I thought that was the entire point. That he was being played by the Gods from the get go.
I always assumed the Oracle was Cassandra because she wasn't believed and ignored. Her laughter was at the fact that Kratos would not listen and now has pain.
Ares prophecy also came true. Ares used Kratos to destroy Olympus. He fulfilled Ares promise with the one exception that the first god of war was not around to see it...or was he within the blades of chaos. Something to consider.
One of the Norns in GOW:RAGNAROK sounded like Athena. That would have been a mind-blowing plot twist if it were cause I'd like to see how kratos would react to it.
Kratos is truly a Man of Legend, having slaughtered an entire pantheon, is working through a second one, and given the last game's reference to other lands and their respective deities and the fact that the last God of War game was originally going to take place in Egypt, he's likely to annihilate one or two more In that sense, Kratos is also a rather tragic person, as it seems inevitable that no matter what he does, not matter how much he wishes to avert it, he's bound to end up in conflict with another pantheon, slaughter them all and destroy yet another land through bring forth yet another apocalypse But what if it was the case that this wasn't merely the result of bad fortune or circumstance, but rather the deliberate manipulations of another. Many a fan already suspects that Kratos's second wife Faye is using him to destroy the Norse Pantheon, but what if it goes back much further, and much deeper, than that. For starters, let's go back to the beginning and examine the event that turned Kratos from a willing servant of the Gods to their rage-driven, vengeance-seeking killer. It all starts when Ares decides that Kratos's family is proving detrimental to his potential as warrior and servant of the current God of War, so Ares decide's to take Kratos's wife and daughter, dump them in a city Kratos is ransacking so that he unwittingly slaughters them... then immediately shows up to take credit for the whole thing. ANYTHING SEEM OFF TO YOU ABOUT THAT!?! Sure, Ares in Classical Mythology isn't known for his tactical skills, but even by his standards, this is an insanely stupid move. Basically everything about that plan just ensures that Kratos would end up despising Ares and likely start rebelling, especially when it'd be less risky, and alot simpler, to just let some enemy soldiers and have them kill Kratos's family, or better yet, disguise himself as an enemy soldier and do it himself, then show up after the fact and tell Kratos that it happened because he was "too soft" and that the same would happen to the rest of Sparta lest he get his act together And in the 2018 game, basically everything we hear about the Aesir either comes from murals left by the Giants, or from Mimir, but if you pay close attention to Mimir's Tales, you start to notice something off about them: - In the tale of Hrungnir the Stone Giant, Odin brings the titular Giant to Asgard to party, and when Hrungnir gets drunk, he starts jumping about and raving about how he's going to kill everyone there, then Thor walks in and kills Hrungnir. This story is used to frame Odin and Thor as cruel and nasty, but put yourself in Thor's shoes, if you walked into a room and saw a large, drunk man spastically ranting and raving about killing everyone in said room, wouldn't you try to stop it? - The story about Mjolnir been stolen tries to pass off the one who did it, Thrym, as been "cunning" even though all he did to get it was luck out in finding Thor asleep, and just robbed him, an act that required zero cunning, then offered to give it back in exchange for Freya's hand, which given the fact that the hammer was the greatest weapon of the greatest Giant-slayer in the 9 Realms, is a move any sane man would call "retarded" - The account of how Asgard's Walls were built tries to pass of the Gods as double-crossing backstabbers, except they upheld the bargain they made with Hrimthur, and gave him with his audience with Freya. Now yes, they did kill him afterwards, but nothing in the bet was said about him leaving alive, however, when you stop to think about the tale, certain questions pop up, if Hrimthur expected to leave alive, why request an audience with Freya to tell her the walls weakness instead if taking that info back to the Giants? and why did Hrimthur make a bet at all, instead of asking for cheap but reasonable price for his labor so as to not arose suspicion? In the original myths, it was the Gods who made the bet at Loki's behest cause the price been asked for was so outrageously high - The tale of Groa the Giant Sorceress portray's her collecting every scrap of magical knowledge to expand her power as a good thing, but every story of Odin doing the same is portrayed in a negative light, even though she's only doing it to find her husband while Odin is trying to prevent in the end of the world - And everyone throughout the 2018 game agrees that Ragnarok coming to pass is a bad thing, but when telling the story of Surtur the Fire Giant, he insists that the Giant devotion to making it happen is a good and noble thing As such, these stories seem carefully crafted to make the God's look as bad as possible, while giving the Giants every benefit of the doubt, to the point of making them virtually Saints. While actual Norse Mythology, which the game insists is propaganda on Odin's part, portrays the Aesir in a more noble, but still flawed, light. Now ask yourself, which account is more likely to be true? But let's take a look at what we do know to be true, the Jotun and Aesir have been at war for Centuries, if not Millennia, the Jotun are incredibly skilled sorcerers with the power of prophecy, which is especially true for Faye, who we know for a fact spent years making preparations for the events of the 2018 game, and it's possible to bewitch someone into believing false information without them even knowing Now Odin is too paranoid and knowledgeable in magic to ever let himself be open to bewitching, and Thor is incredibly wary of the Giants, so there's never going to be a chance to place such a spell on them, but what of others who are more eager for peace, like say, Tyr, Mimir, Freya or even the two most skilled Dwarven Blacksmiths in all the Nine Realms But Faye wouldn't of had much influence on Kratos's actions in Greece, and now that she's dead, on his slaughtering of future pantheons, so she can be part of the scheme, but not really the main force influencing Kratos's constant God-Butchering. So the question is, who keeps putting Kratos on this path?
I love your detailed thoughts!! It does make sense. The interesting thing is though, Kratos doesnt really kill many of the Norse gods in these two games, he kills one of Thor's children ( Atreus kills the other ), Baldur, cuts off but reanimates Mimir's head, and Heimdall. Yes Sutur is stabbed and becomes Ragnarok but I dont count that one. Kratos even tells Atreus that killing gods is not what they do, that there is no point killing them. So it seems Kratos is doing everything he can to stop the slaughter. SPOILERS FOR END OF GOW Ragnarok: He even calls off the Asgard invasion when he realizes there are innocents being sent to die in order to delay them, he doesnt want anymore needless bloodshed and death. Other then that, Your idea is phenomenal! A great question and theory!!
@@Basebrat1294 Thanks, and yes, Kratos doesn't kill as many Gods, but he still brings about the destruction of an entire realm, and ends the reign of the Aesir
Honestly, I like the way they went with Ragnarok, where it was destined one way but we'll likely find out that it WAS CHANGED, where we'll get a moment in GOW3 where we find out Atreus ended up having power of time and found out he already traveled time.
TL;DR the Greek rebuild theory can be a perfect way to introduce Roman mythology for a one off game! I think with the rebuilding Greece theory, it would be interesting to see that story come to life and introduce the Roman mythology. If the people of Greece are truly rebuilding the then they could be easily conquered, especially if the conquerer is the Roman Empire one of the greatest empires of all time. Athena seeing this probably inserts herself as a being or godly figure(since she is a god) to the romans,(who have no concept of a mythology till they conquered Greece) introducing herself as Minerva. The romans seeing her then learns of the history of the Greek mythology and they adopt the mythology into their own renaming the former gods, areas as mars, Poseidon as Neptune, Athena as Minerva and Zeus as Jupiter. How to resurrect the dead Greek gods idk, maybe since the Roman mythology believe in it the dead gods get reincarnated or maybe Athena does something to resurrect them idk, but can you imagine the story potiential? This can legit be a one off game where we see kratos rebuild Midgard as we see from the prophecy, no mention of atreus who is looking for other giants(which I see can be introduction to Egyptian or Japanese or many others) and freya as ur ally, but kratos is rebuilding then boom the little area you are rebuilding is being attacked by a force(the Romans) and kratos defends his town, but once he kills a lot of them their general( a familiar face)introduces himself, knowing who kratos is and it’s ares but reincarnated as Mars and they have a badass fight like baldur or Thor but Mara retreats and kratos sees a glimpse of Zeus or Jupiter and decides to go after them, knowing they will attack his town and his people, and he goes off after them, killing the Roman gods. One of the main criticisms I saw with the new Norse games is how kratos only kills literally 2 gods, baldur and hemidall, yeah he fights 5 baldur, heimdall, freya,Thor and Odin but only kills 2 of them and this little one off game can serve as a god of war 3 power trip for the fan base, idk that’s my opinion I could be wrong lol
With Mars/Ares, you have to go back to Ares' soul being tortured in Hades. When you defeat Hades in GOW 3, all of the souls on Hades roam endlessly. There's a chance one of those souls is Ares searching around.
I don't want them to make a roman pantheon because you won't get any new creatures or gods with new personality, greek and roman gods shared a lot of things so it won't really make any thing new honestly..
@@Felipe2000-r6k about the soul of Ares, was not there an easter egg in GOW 2005 that a developer said that Ares's soul was locked within a chamber in the room of Mount Olympus and was tortured?
End of Ragnarok Tyr claims he knows the name Kratos but can't remember from where, most likely due to time in captivity, leading to my assumption that his captivity had happened AFTER Kratos arrives in Midgard. I think Tyr had something to do with his arrival but Kratos doesn't remember in his own right, likely due to his time with Faye, accepting his role in these new lands
yeah in that one scene where they're visiting scenes from past or future in the temple, they show that moving tapestry-art like thing that shows the two wolves, and a female, and a man. They're unchaining the two wolves from the story of how Kratos got to Midgard. I saw in another video that people are believing that the lady is Faye and the guy is Tyr - Tyr knowing how to move between realms besides odin's 9, assisted first in Faye freeing the two wolves, and then in Faye using the wolves to bring Kratos to Midgard to help the giants.
I thought it was pretty clear that his terse demeanor in GOW4 was the only manifestation of outward grief Kratos allowed himself to show after (Lau)Fey's death. He's grieving the loss of his wife and mother of his son, there's no secret theory needed here.
One Theory is wrong. Kratos literaly travel from Greece to Midgard as that simple. There is a Multiverse. Cory Barlog said it himself. All Phatheons sharing the same world, like territories
There's clearly some higher being at the center of all creation. The fact that multiple realms and deities exist, and also the mask that doesn't seem to have any known origin. Something ties them all together.
i like the Tyr theory yeah the Norse Games has reshuffled the Eddas a bit making Fárbauti' and Loki aka Kratos and Atreus the Making central characters
My pitch for the next Game: Egyptian gods start attacking Midgard because Kratos is there. RA has a big grudge against him. Big Twist. RA IS Apollo wanting revenge.
Loki wasn’t adopted by Odin in proper Norse mythology, that’s a Marvel thing. Loki was a blood brother of Odin, forming an alliance as an adult. This was of course until his binding
A good lore explanation for why one pantheon's doom didn't impact another could be oceans themselves. When a sail sails out at night or your boat has special properties, the line between the stars and water blurs and a God could literally sail between realms. In a sense each realm is a world among the stars and you literally wash up along their shores. The trick is to know how to navigate once you're out there else you could end up anywhere or lost, the cosmos being what it is, time moves erratically once out there. Just one of many ways to navigate between realms or dimensions. Each one while a part of the greater cosmos, has it's own people, Gods, and history. The cosmos has a shared origin but the realms within do not. So what made one or created multiple like Asgard and Midgard, didn't create Greece. They might not have birthed at the same time because time is erratic.
I don't think the one about Kratos speaking Norse is true, because you can actually hear enemies talk Norse in some sections of the game. Even Atreus when he uses his different arrow types speaks Norse while shooting them. So does Freya when she casts spells. And he talks more in Ragnarok because they made the story more wholesome concerning Kratos and his son.
That's literally just gow it works, it's not like they're actually speaking english. Everyone in 4 and ragnarok is speaking norse, but obviously we have to be able to understand them and reading subtitles the entire time wouldn't be great. It would also be weird to never actually hear norse words, hence why we do hear them in some cases
The problem with the Multiverse theory is 1. They confirmed the Greek realm is flat 2. Kratos and Mimir when they talk about their travels heavily imply they physically traveled through ordinary means (Mimir actually saying "A time when a man goes north to make a name for himself" so I see it as each country/pantheon has its own realm but when you cross the borders you effectively go to other natural laws. Tyr using the unity stone to travel was likely a "fast travel" means to get around this. Given Greece itself is implied to be a flat world (thus ruling out it being a whole earth) its likely each realm is like a puzzle and each has about the same bounderies as the country itself does
Maybe the higher plain that Athena talked about has something to do with the 7 deadly sins. Athena sacrificed her life to save Zeus in an act of selflessness, not acting out of greed like other gods. Thor had a near insatiable bloodlust and lived to fight and when he put down the hammer and defied Odin, he let go of his blood lust and was able to ascend. As for Thoth and his presence there I can’t place a sin with him because there is not much known about him. If anyone has an idea of what his could be let me know
Thoth could be something relating to knowledge since one of his epithets in actual mythology is "master of knowledge", so i'm guessing it could be lust for knowledge and since he ascended he stopped beeing lustful at some point.
@@HitmanHimself well the thing that I believe would have allowed Thor to ascend is the fact he put down his hammer and decided to no longer fight. Plus there’s the fact that despite Thor being heavy set, he can move and react pretty fast, so he would have had a chance to block or dodge odin when he tried to stab him.
@@imperius6004that is possible, it could also be envy because he kept searching for knowledge because he was envious that there were others who knew more than he did. But I don’t know enough about Thoth to give a definitive answer
im late on the vid but theres a theory about kratos being death cuz death cant die and every where death goes there is ofc death and since kratos killed thanatos a.k.a god of death that means he isnt god of death cuz death cant die and the gravedigger said that kratos is death in that moment kratos realized it and everything soo far confirms it god monsters animals everyone around him is dying and he just wont die even in ragnarok when he was destined to die he didnt
There are some things that doesn't make sense in GOW like Cronus and Rhea. How can a normal size woman and a walking Mountain able to have a child like Zeus lol.
*spoiler alert!* Here's hoping it's Freya who helps Sindri come to forgive Kratos. If anyone can help him, it's her. If they ever make a new game that is. Freya also hated Kratos and Atreus for the death of her son. But there's a difference between the deaths. Brok was a loyal and good soul. He loved his brother. Even finding out the truth about what Sindri did, bringing him back to life, he still loved his brother very much. Baulder on the other hand, had NO love for his mother. He was cruel and unforgiving for what she did to him, even after his curse was broken he still wanted to kill her. And the moment he started choking her as she tried to tell him that she loved him, he just choked harder and interrupted her saying that, there was just no love inside him. And at this moment, at Brok's funeral, Freya finally comes to terms with what kind of a person her son really was.
In my school vr game there is a confirmed line in chapter 1001 trailer that's confusing but it's comfirmable ( kratos: so you still being alive is because your hades puppet) that was said by kratos after him and the doom slayer saw Goalius alive after the end of chapter 1000 fallen demons
I do like the theory that the rift is part of the connection between kratos past and him getting to midguard........that would be interesting and intriguing if they used the next game with Atreus and his travels alone to seek out the giants and stumbling upon the connection while also learning of everything thing Kratos did in Greece and while somewhat horrified he would also gain a new appreciation of his Father and how much love he truly has for his son and why he was the way he was.......and that could lead him back to being United in the next game after Atreus Solo game and it could be a culmination of EVERYTHING and an EPIC end to the story once and for All at least for Kratos........Atreus could continue on in other games going to Feudal Japan........ Ancient China even.........I could go on but i think i have given enough........if anyone actually connected to santa Monica studios sees this feel free to use this idea i would only want more games to fully flesh out and finish kratos story line with NO gaps or questions
. I do actually believe that a soul is shattered when the orb is destroyed. Knowing this, I wonder where the pieces go, what type of consciousness they are, and how to repair them. If Odin's soul was shattered where is he, is he in one pices, is he fragmented, can he return? He has returned from death before, for he had hung himself on the world tree in search of its secrets only to be returned to the living (the tree was so pissed that it sent him back). Lastly, speaking of soul shattering made me think about somebody that we might all just miss so much that we hope he returns. Brok's soul bits were fucked with, and when he died, it was made clear that without that, there were many side effects, being an inability to interact with soul-sensing beings(like the lady of the lake who made Draupnir). It also means you are denied an afterlife. Sooo... Odin and Brok are both characters people want to see more of. We may just end up trying to save Brok, only to free Odin as well, or that can happen in reverse, like Brok being a silver lining to Odin surviving. I think we still have a lot more to learn about Odin and Brok. Odin knows too much and Brok can teach us about dwarven magic which might be instrumental now that they arent under Odin's tyrannical rule anymore. Sindri wouldn't teach him, hes not going to talk to them unless Brok returns. I think they might both either make an appearance or a full fledged return. I think it will happen at the same time that Faye will return.
Actually the “Greek reborn” theory is true in GOW Ragnarok Valhalla dlc after getting Helios’s shield a memory shows Kratos ripping off Helios head but tyr says “in the years of rebuilding” so Greek is definitely rebuilt
personally I feel the green Athena in God of war 3 and 2018 isn't the real Athena in the higher existence we see in the comics. The one we see in the games seems filled with more hatred than guidance. She only appears when kratos is at his lowest or to berate/bother/ or remind him of his failures. Kratos constantly does that and has nightmares daily. But when we are in the self-forgiveness stage, we see Athena as one of the people he is truly guilty of killing. She always guided him where to go on an adventure, tried to give some insight, and shielded from danger when she could. One of the only allies he didn't need to question for the longest time. So my theory is she represents the hatred for himself and his regrets. They separate once he tries to die in god of war 3, removing himself from his regrets. So once he's at his lowest once more with atreus possibly dying of illness by his own mistakes Basically sentencing his family to die again, Kratos is spiraling in madness of what to do. She then appears again to mock him and remind him. Only when he's at peace with that and is off to heal atreus does she dissappear into specs. Permanently removing the tie binding them.
Gow 2018 Athena was confirmed by the devs to be a hallucination of kratos. While Gow3 Athena cannot be a hallucination of his mind because: 1. Pandora saw her aswell 2. Athena gives him new blades of exile. 3. She does take out the blade of olympus from his body.
@Hitman Himself Maybe pandora sees her because she's the heart of the flame and the embodiment of hope. Athena casted that power into the box so perhaps since she isn't living or dead being something stronger than the gods in raw power, she can see Athena? also Maybe him seeing her pull out the blade was in his mind or his power having enough strength to pull it out and his mind going crazy one last time before being temporarily cut off?
@@bizzaroblake2519 couldn't really understand all u points but regardless there are way too many dialogues present in game to suggest GoW3 Athena was there, either real Athena or someone else in disguise. Let's be clear about one thing, if I dream about someone/something I will need to have information about them right? If no body was there how come kratos knew that there is a place called higher existence? Then how would he know the information about "Flame of Olympus" "Evils releasing to the gods" "Pandora" etc etc. Everything that Athena basically tells him, something he might know when he was at olympus but not everything that she tells him.
@@fredy2041 they did, they said "for us (devs) she was never there" and they explained how she wasn't like kratos says "athena, get out of my head" and them mimir neither sees her nor hears her.
i'll be frank, my favorite part in the norse games was Kratos threat to Odin, Odin had decided to mock Kratos bringing up what he did to the greek gods implying it as some sort of threat that he'd tell Loki just for Kratos to turn it around and say "return my son to me, or you may meet the god i once was" Odin fucking pauses for a good moment there, Odin is fully aware that kratos hadn't gotten weaker in his age, he is simply calmer and holding back, Odin knows the kind of god Kratos used to be and it scares him
Look, Green is commonly used to denote 'unnatural' things Athena and the mask being green honestly reek more of 'these things are out of place' rather than 'these two things may be related'
Hear me out….Loki with the wooden mask in this game…..Jim Carrey’s “The Mask” was a wooden mask of the night god Loki and had a green shimmer to it……connected? Will Kratos make an appearance in Jim Carrey’s universe next?!
(I hope this comment doesn't offend anyone, thats not my intention) I've always thought the final God Kratos would kill would be Jesus BUT not in his usual way. He wouldn't battle Jesus in that game, he'd actually be his friend and protector What if Kratos replaced Longingus and pierced Christ's side with the spear (Draupnir perhaps?) To end his suffering on the cross. In the very first gane they did show a mural depicting the Magi on their way to Bethlehem, they could revamp and adapt the idea to fit the new style
I feel real strongly about kratos being cursed to not take his own life that is the only way he could survive stabbing himself with the blade of olympus.
here's another athena theory. i already commented this theory on another channel. 'so when odin tried to look into the green crack with out the mask he lost his eye i think athena took his eye and used it to create the green crows(eyes of odin) so she can keep an eye on kratos and atreaus because she can't physically be there.(and we all know that Odin's magic is not green and remember odin was looking for knowledge and athena is all about wisdom) and maybe kratost still has the power of the pandora box and she still wants it back(which is unlikely cause when he killed him self it was released). and we all know that the game directors said that when kratos was talking to athena in gow 4 was an illusion because mimir didn't see her, but what if she hid her self from him because mimir is known for the smartest man alive so he wouldn't ruin any plans she had, and the fact that mimir actually knew about her says it. so what do you think.
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I think it's possible that the Mask and the tear might of been a trick by the Giants, using a similar method to how Jormungander was sent back in time to place it in certain places, hence why only "Loki" could use it, and why it had Greek writing, and why it references places in Norse Myth Odin would recognize once translated. While the tear itself not actually possessing knowledge, just having a hypnotic effect to make on think it did.
The Giants Tales always struck me as somewhat off, making the Giants too noble and perfect, with element that didn't add up or even contradicted each other, and we know Thor wasn't how they described, been far less bloodthirsty and cruel
The reason I think they did this is cause Odin likely wouldn't of been as evil or cruel without it, cause with it promise of "infinite knowledge" including life and death, then who cares what you to get it, as any harm can be undone once you do, but without its "promise", there's no way Odin could afford to be so callous or brash, and thus wouldn't make so many enemies or drive potential allies away
Not sure if it’s a theory but technically there were 2 Kratos’ in GOW2. One who went back in time and the other who saved by the future Kratos. He could still be alive
MLouieGaming has an interesting theory about Faye and her status for future games. He pieces together a few things I hadn't thought of. Basically claiming Faye is alive and in the higher plane of existence. It's a cool video at least.
around 0:54 ..... Saying no one could accuse Kratos of being the talkative type. Would be nice if the person who did this video, actually played the GoW series. Kratos being too talkative is exactly what I hated about GoW 3. He wouldn't shut up during the entire game... and dialogue was horrible.
I'm still convinced that sindri will be the antagonist for the next one. He will travel to Egypt to seek the book of the dead to reclaim/fix broks soul. I think the book will be linked to the "higher plane", acting similar to the mask and we will be looking trying to stop him.
I always assumed Kratos spoke more calmly in the 2018 game because he use to be hot headed, blinded by rage and overtime he learned to think before speaking as to not become who he was.
it was shown in written lore he'd go on trips in midgard for days to kill draugr and creatures to help harness his anger properly. Atreus mentions it lightly in saying "He always leaves." and "You've never taken me hunting with you. So why now?" So he's definitely gotten alot off his plate and a determined Father to not repeat the horrid feat he Hates himself for.
No shit sherlock
@@bizzaroblake2519 yeah plus there is that scene in the prequel comic where he's attacked by ...wolves? If I remember correctly where he didn't fight back.
@@konstantinosvlachos7057 He was too exhausted. They dragged him to faye I think? I'm sure they were her wolves or friends of hers
@@konstantinosvlachos7057 he looks for things to attack him to try not to reciprocate, when he's attacked by wolves he controls himself and lets them beat him up for so long that they just stop out of exhaustion, then a troll arrives and starts killing the wolves and attacking him, when he goes home he says that he "lost to a troll" which Atreus tells him that it's already incredible that he lived after fighting a troll, then Kratos gets angry and tells him that he doesn't understand, that he won the battle against the troll but lost the one against himself. Then the next panel reveals Kratos absolutely bodying the troll out of sheer anger
That's how I remember it anyway but it's been a while
Kratos standing up staring down Odin and calmly saying NO got me good everytime 🤣🤣
That and Kratos’ ‘WHAT?’ after retrieving Helka’s ball will always get a chuckle out of me. Chris Judge is a master of intonation.
Major Dad energy
Literally will wait and watch that whole scene every time i see it come up. Awesome writing
i was expecting a whole dialogue
He could tell Odin always made false promises and agreements
I have 2 theories
1 Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats physical or magical
2 Kratos is a calm and reasonable person
These are facts not theories
@@hishkapish4817 /whoosh
Or 3:
Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
@@BB-zy9ohactually I think Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
DID YOU KNOW: Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical.
To build on the Greece Reborn theory: I think that its going to be revealed in a God of War spinoff starring Atreus that the Greece Realm and its gods were reborn as the Roman Pantheon. It would explain why their stories were used by the romans with just different names.
What would be fun with this is because Mars was more respected than Ares in this world Mars is a redeemed/repentive Ares who wishes to break the cycle and could ally with Atreus, becoming friends with the son of the man whose life he ruined.
That would actually be pretty interesting but I gotta assume a bunch of gods are still gonna be shit heads. Either way seeing Ares reborn and helpful to Atreus would be amazing
That would actually be pretty interesting but I gotta assume a bunch of gods are still gonna be shit heads. Either way seeing Ares reborn and helpful to Atreus would be amazing
Why is it always us the gamers who come up with more interesting stories then the developers lmao
@@windmaster9 the stories they have told have been amazing, they will have some good ideas. You have to think about a lot of these theories spring from the stories they made.
@@bn-tc2tk The main antagonist I could see for something like that would honestly be Minerva, who is typically portrayed with all of Athena's very worst traits, lost Athena's status as a War God, and only holds a place on the "Olympian" council due to technically being Jupiter's First Born. It would be an interesting reversal for Mars to aid in subduing, but not killing, Minerva because, despite all her issues, She is still necessary.
My personal fan theory is that Fayes soul wasn't in her marble because its inside the leviathan axe
Who did he put into the world serpent ? I remember a story of a giant that was the son of an important one that had many kids or something
@@Dajokerboy101 he put Jormingandir( or however you spell it) in there, thats why they call the snake by that name lol. It's kinda obvious
@@Marcel16DM I remember hearing them call it something else. But I also just remember them stating how his fight with Thor seemed personal . I think it was Mimir that said it
@@Marcel16DM umm Jormungandr literally means world serpent. That's not the actual giants original name inside the snek
@@vagoslordofcinder7861yes, it means World Serpent in Norse, but in game it's also literally his name. The writers have confirmed their intention, that the soul of the giant was named Jormungandr before it was put in the snake.
I personally feel that Athena was always Athena. She was the one pulling the strings and setting Kratos on the road to being a monster.
She was evil from the start. The way she didn’t remove the memories of his family and manipulated him throughout the series. Yeah she shielded him from Zeus but, we all protect our investments.
Sure you can have your head canon, but that's not the official dev canon.
She was corrupted after death.
And she didn't deny to remove Kratos' nightmares, that was Zeus, she tried to convince him infact to free kratos from his nightmares but Zeus wasn't having any of it.
When you know this guy has the capacity to destroy your kingdom (olympus) then either you try to kill the guy or make friendship with him so he doesn't go against your kingdom.
Athena was going with the later approach, she knew what kratos is capable of and he was going to overcome every hurdle, that's why she kept aiding him and wanted to make peace between olympus and Kratos.
But Zeus is a fucking idiot and full of pride so he tried to destroy kratos, neither he relieve kratos of his nightmares nor he asked for forgiveness for what happened to Callisto and Deimos. He failed of her pleas and plan.
If he would have done so it would have been avoided.
Anyone not having read GoW1/2 novels will not understand Her actions and why she did things that she did.
Not for some of all of her own greed and all of that nonsense. She was a loyal Olympian that's why she gave up her life for it.
And I generally have a question for something thinking otherwise that she had a mask of innocence from the start, why did she uncover that mask suddenly after death in gow3? She could still had her mask in gow3 it's not like kratos was gonna change his plans to kill zeus if Athena pretended to be still on Zeus' sides? Huh? Her original plan of keeping the mask of innocence was going very well, right before death she was shouting "save zeus" and suddenly she comes and "kill zeus"? Whole reason why kratos became skeptical of her in GoW3. If she would have kept her mask she would had a lot better chance.. This doesn't seem like Athena to me..
@@HitmanHimself Where can I read God of War the novel?
@@ohiosfinest she wasn't evil from the start the devs confirmed it so many times, she got corrupted after dying and became greedy.
there is no question about that she was good.
she wasn't evil from the start the devs confirmed it so many times, she got corrupted after dying and became greedy.
there is no question about that she was good.
I could see Greece over time being rebuilt for sure. Kratos never killed Aphrodite in 3 and he never killed any others such as Apollo, Artemis, Demeter and Hestia.
He killed many of the most famous gods, so there's other Olympians, Titans, and Primordials who can rebuild lol
@@sebastien4908 Exactly. It would have had to be at least 5 or 6 games if Kratos set out to kill every single god or titan or primordial in Greece.
I believe Atlas is still alive
@@jayraider521614 Oh yeah I completely forgot. Poor Atlas though. Still holding up the world despite Greece being destroyed.
also Roman gods
It was revealed that Kratos have spent over a 100 years in Midgard in the Lore and Legends book. But as for how much time passed when he travelled from Greece to Midgard remains unknown.
no it doesn't by the time of GoW 2018 its been around 1100 years since GoW 3
@@Akomarongg kratos is around 1,055 yrs old in GoWR. he was 51 when he took olympus down
@@strash. how do you know this ? Genuinely asking not trying to be smart or anything
@@DaTruthHurtzzzz developers confirmed it i’m pretty sure. they didn’t say his exact age but they said around 1,055
Kratos was 55 is gow3, 1055 in gow 2018 and 1058 in gowr
Kratos is technically a spirit, he lost his mortal body in the 1st game and pulled his soul out of hades. The 2nd game kind of confirms this when the hands of hades pull his soul back into hades. Every other time he fell in.
Thor kills him for a few moments as well in the intro to Ragnarok.
Literally the ghost of sparta
Athena saying "they will not know what to do with it" was always understood by me as a reference to the lost souls floating about the sky, souls who were purposeless because Kratos had killed their "keeper" Hades.
How does that make any sense? She only says that when he releases the power of hope not when he kills hades. I don’t think she even cared about hades being killed or even reacted.
We can gather from Freya's dialogue about Tyr temple being underwater for 150 winters as an estimate of how long Kratos walked the realms between the end of GOW3 & 2018. As for how he got to Midgard, that was explained in the novelization of 2018, Kratos has a nightmare in which he relives a moment where he is cornered by 3 giant wolves & under the command of a mysterious woman.
The wolves are Skol, Hati & Gram(presumably) as the woman who commanded them it’s heavily implied to be Faye.
Hati lunges at Kratos biting down on his leg & drags him from the tundra to Midgard.
What about Stanley Ipkis finding THE MASK in the river?
maybe that's where it went after it went in the rift?
I always assumed the Athena we see after her death was purely in kratos’ head and is just a manifestation of his guilt/rage which is why her personality changes to his view of it rather than her real one
How can a manifestation upgrade your weapons? Doesn't she upgrade Kratos blades of Athena to the blades of exile. I thought she was a weird spirit ghost like Zeus is when you kill him in God of War 3 and you fight him again.
GOW:R's Valhalla DLC now confirms that there were "rebuilding efforts" in Greece.
I didn't tought that "Týr is a Aesir" was a theory... like: Gna is also a Vanir god and is not Freya's family, she was an old friend of Freya. To be an Aesir or a Vanir doesn't need to be from Odin's blood or Freya's and Freyr's blood.
Sorry for the english...
It was revealed that it took Kratos a little over a century to get to Midgard & that both he and Faye spent about hundred years there together before the start of the game. Also, it was confirmed by one of the devs (and also by Cory Barlog himself, i believe) that all the pantheons exist in the same universe.
I think the fear that escaped Pandora’s box also affected Odin and the Norse pantheon. I believe this will be a common theme in the series going forward
Bro they literally said that in the game ? Lol the hope went into kratos and the fear into Zeus
@@aboveworld8209 Read his comment again, but slowly
@@Amartin-mu6oj touche.
Dude just the little beginning clip is so awesome to me. Imo the way Kratos ever so slightly moves his head in approval and grunts is almost saying “Im proud of you” and Atreus reciprocating it is saying “thank you for understanding”. Just my view on it and I love it so damn much
It would be cool if Greece was rebuilt as Rome, and the Greek gods came back as their Roman versions. This would be cool to be featured in a game seen by Atreus
"Took place of Loki in the lore and adopted by Odhinn as an infant"
In the lore Loki was never an adopted son of Odhinn, Loki was in fact his brother of blood (but not related) in some versions, and a "simple" trickster in other ones. In some versions is a primordial being, incarnation of fire and chaos, and usually he take the aesirs away from trouble with his mind when the strenght didn't work.
Yeah,the "Loki was adopted from Odin" version is the Marvel one(both comics and MCU)😂
Something I find interesting, is that alot of Characters seem to use Odin as a scapegoat, more than once throughout the game, the characters discuss some horrible thing they did or were planning to do, and their justification for it was "Odin makes us do it"
No matter the ruin and destruction they bring, no matter the harm they cause to innocents, they always pass it off as "Odin's Fault". Take Fimblewinter, or "The Desolation", throughout GOW Ragnarok, everyone tries to pin it on Odin. But what caused it was Buldar's Death, who was killed by Kratos, in response to the madness Buldar had caused by Freya, you might try to say that none of it would've happened if Odin hadn't sent him after them, but then what about Faye, who unlike Odin knew how things would play out, and intentionally arranged for it to happen
If you read Gna's Journal, you find out that Freya has always played the victim, and some of Mimir's tales about the Giants seem kinda, off...
- In the tale of Hrungnir the Stone Giant, Odin brings the titular Giant to Asgard to party, and when Hrungnir gets drunk, he starts jumping about and raving about how he's going to kill everyone there, then Thor walks in and kills Hrungnir. This story is used to frame Odin and Thor as cruel and nasty, but put yourself in Thor's shoes, if you walked into a room and saw a large, drunk man spastically ranting and raving about killing everyone in said room, wouldn't you try to stop it?
- The story about Mjolnir been stolen tries to pass off the one who did it, Thrym, as been "cunning" even though all he did to get it was luck out in finding Thor asleep, and just robbed him, an act that required zero cunning, then offered to give it back in exchange for Freya's hand, which given the fact that the hammer was the greatest weapon of the greatest Giant-slayer in the 9 Realms, is a move any sane man would call "retarded"
- The account of how Asgard's Walls were built tries to pass of the Gods as double-crossing backstabbers, except they upheld the bargain they made with Hrimthur, and gave him with his audience with Freya. Now yes, they did kill him afterwards, but nothing in the bet was said about him leaving alive, however, when you stop to think about the tale, certain questions pop up, if Hrimthur expected to leave alive, why request an audience with Freya to tell her the walls weakness instead if taking that info back to the Giants? and why did Hrimthur make a bet at all, instead of asking for cheap but reasonable price for his labor so as to not arose suspicion? In the original myths, it was the Gods who made the bet at Loki's behest cause the price been asked for was so outrageously high
- The tale of Groa the Giant Sorceress portray's her collecting every scrap of magical knowledge to expand her power as a good thing, but every story of Odin doing the same is portrayed in a negative light, even though she's only doing it to find her husband while Odin is trying to prevent in the end of the world
- And everyone throughout the 2018 game agrees that Ragnarok coming to pass is a bad thing, but when telling the story of Surtur the Fire Giant, Mimir insists that the Giant's devotion to making it happen is a good and noble thing
Of course, Odin has done reprehensible things, but you have to wonder, what parts of the story are we not hearing?
This was awesome reading.
this was amazing. never looked at things this way
GNA is exactly a non biased representation of truth, even when beaten by Kratos and forgiven by Freya she still stands with the dead All Father. She would portray all of his acts in a good light no matter what because she served him 100% loyally no matter what he did. It was shown in the game time after time what a bad God Odin was. He wasn’t trying to prevent Ragnarok for anyone but himself. He did all that for the answers he wanted. Nothing mattered to him but that and even when given the chance to be better at the end he still admitted he couldn’t be like them.
Agreed. This was a very interesting read
Nah, we know from Odin's behavior that he's done shitty things, and based on what the protags did in the game, we know that Ragnarok could've been avoided, circumvented, changed or ameliorated without any of the stuff Odin did to try to "prevent it". And honestly the whole "stopping Ragnarok" thing felt more like an excuse that Odin used to continue his controlling, abusive behavior. Case in point, Loki gave him an out and he didn't take it.
If yall remember at the end of God of war 3 after the credits you'll see a blood trail leading off the cliff into the ocean but at the beginning of the blood trail he was on a engraved phoenix meaning when he died he came back like a rising Phoenix so he'll always come back
That's a cool idea; Kratos as Farbauti returning as a wise god to repair/salvage/save the hellscape of Greece, fighting against the evils he unleashed (assuming they didnt die with the gods)
Kratos is basically ironically if Aries turned to Mars,
Aries was a despised Deity in Greece who represented the Brutality of war, most depictions by Greeks depict as a vengeful deity
Mars on the Other hand is a wise and respectful Deity who is reviered by Rome and its people, Mars is also an Agrarian Deity having Scared Chickens and honored Fesitivals.
I was so waiting for Mimir to tell Odin just who Kratos is, and what he has done. Mimir had HEARD of the Ghost of Sparta, and figured out that was Kratos.
Kratos can definitely die he just can't commit suicide. He can't die of old age (due to being a God) and was cursed by the Greek God's that he can't take his own life. It's how he survived the end of God Of War 3 it was explained in the novelization of God War 4
The video mentions that. It's not on the quiz.
@@yoshidinono8095 If it was they failed
No one has cursed him, think about it, whenever he dies he goes to the underworld? In gow3 when he stabbed himself and killed himself, the underworld was destroyed, Hades wasn't there to claim his soul, and when Hades died all the souls escaped the underworld.
That's why he didn't die, death just means he goes to the underworld, it's not like our world where no body returns..
In gow1 when he committed suicide, before he was dying he was saved by athena.
And not to mention he is doomed by destiny to be alive, so many times people have tried to kill him but he gets saved by someone.
@Hitman Himself you clearly didn't pay attention to the earlier games. He's is 100% cursed and also can't die by his own hand.
@@Marcel16DM and who cursed him? you just took what idiots in the community say, when was he cursed.
I hope Egyptian mythology is where the series goes next, but id like to see Kratos see Roman stuff
I still think all the locations exist on our physical earth like Greece and Scandinavia, the nine realms just exist in like a different dimension but occupy the same physical location like Mimir said
This isn't a theory but it's a fact NO ONE (NOT EVEN Santa Monica) remembers... But when Athena appears in The Realm of Hades, she passes through Kratos' body to grab the Blades of Chaos, and she turns them into The Blades of Exile. GoW3. No joke
*Blades Of Athena
And after that, Hades starts taunting Kratos and says nothing about her
The only thing about the Norse saga I wished to see was Terrence Carson a flashback scene for a young Kratos as an Easter egg/call back. I don’t remember seeing one if it was in either game at least.
I also have a theory that Odin may not be entirely dead also. Right before their big fight, Odin releases both Huginn and Muninn. Muninn gets caught, but Huginn manages to escape, their names also translate to "thoughts" and "memories". Perhaps they also function as "holcruxes" like Lord Voldemort. It would also help explain how Odin would have the time to be both Odin and Tyr also. In Asgard we see Odin only speaking to Huginn, while Muninn is missing, perhaps it was Muninn masquerading as Tyr also.
*Horcruxes
Uhm. No.
Atreus shoots one, the other's neck breaks in Freya's hand.
Atreus also says Huginn got out after Ragnarök. @@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м
@@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м On replay, Atreus does say "Oh Huginn made it. Good for him!" when walking through the epilogue walk through the Holt. You can also see Huginn perched on a branch way at the top of the ceiling in the area he says this.
Honestly, if Kratos does kill the Demiurge in GoW 3…3, then he'll be lined up next to a certain group of Japanese teenagers, especially one who shot him in the face.
One reason for why Kratos was slower to speak in God of War (2018) could be from how Kratos changed from how he once was. After claiming his revenge and fulfilling what the oracle foresaw, he realized all he had done was wrong and upon realizing he couldn’t die at his own hands, ventured off to new lands in order to be alone. No longer looking to cause more destruction, as he did in Greece, and so he doesn’t wish to cause trouble by rushing into a blind rage as before.
Since he’s the one who created all mythical pantheons, I cannot help but imagine that *Yaldabaoth/The Demiurge* is involved.
It depends on how bold they’re feeling the day they start drafting storylines. Yaldabaoth’s existence would pretty much prove the existence of God the Father and Jesus Christ, not to mention Gnosticism is a heretical sect on its own anyways
@@Ok-kk8ei Is that a bad thing? Proving the existence of God, the Father and Jesus, I mean.
@@av_8596 I don’t think it’s a problem on its own, but the fear of backlash would probably stop them from doing this whole Demiurge thing. That’s why the original ending of GoW3 (Kratos becoming one of the wise men and visiting Jesus) never made it to the big screen despite what was hinted in earlier games
The only way I can see a Demiurge storyline is if they use the Demiurge from Plato’s teachings, but Plato’s Demiurge seems to be a benevolent figure which is a contradiction to what we see with the fake Athena
@@Ok-kk8ei I see what you mean. But I think Santa Monica can work around it. They don't even have to mention Jesus; they could just focus on the Demiurge rebelling against Monad, the True God. SM is no stranger to changing characters from classic myths for the sake of the story; look at GOW2 and 3.
To fight the being who created all the pantheons of the world is so tempting, I don't see why SM not going for it. Or at the very least try.
@@Ok-kk8ei Also, Gnosticism isn't exactly excluded from video games. Look at series like SMT/Persona or the Xeno games. I mean, in the Xenosaga trilogy, we directly see both Jesus and Mary Magdalene (I don't wanna give too much away, just in case you haven't played or seen the games).
Granted, I know that those games were made in Japan and for the most part (as far as I know), references to Gnostic myth and figures are more for aesthetic purposes instead of actually including the core elements of the religion (the duality between the material body and the soul, obtaining spiritual knowledge for salvation, etc.) into the story, much like how Evangelion did with Judeo-Christianity.
Even so, the fact that Gnosticism is used in video games at all shows that it can be done. And it would be pretty interesting for a western studio to put in their games. I say go the extra step. Experiment! It's worth a try.
There was a painting in god of war Ascension if you press on that the massage comes
"of all the prophecies I have seen, this one haunts my dreams"
And after this painting becomes earth image and the massage appears
"WHEN THE EARTH STOPS, THE JOURNEY BEGINS..."
I always thought this was a tint for sequel in another mythology and this came true
I like that theory that he is more deliberate with what he says because he is trying to speak a language he is not familiar with, that would also explain why through Kratos we can understand all the Norse Aesir and Vanir as well as the Dwarven races. He can understand them, he just can't pronounce their words as easily. the theory about the final battle though, oooh this would be sweet, though makes me wonder how many other gods he would have to battle, how many other worlds he would have to travel to, how many people are going to get offended by the games in the future LOL
Also, journal entries in 2018 are written by Atreus. In Ragnarok, Kratos is the writer.
The death prophecy came true. Thor did kill Kratos and Atreus did go to Asgard. Thor just brought Kratos back from the dead, but the prophecy was fulfilled.
"Death can have me when it earns me" - Kratos
Helios in Valhalla: “I guess irony can have you when it earns you huh”
😂
My theory is that Kratos and Freya eventually made it to the North Pole thus starting the myth of Santa Claus and Mrs. Claus.
Much more talkative in the sequel
Kratos: ... No
Nobody mentions how the mask is like the Mask of Loki from the comics adapted by Jim Carrey.
Because who the hell reads comics?
Interview with Eric Williams - he stated there's no connection.
wait the same mask which comes up in that movie? (The Mask)
The concept of Demiurge is great to expand the story and universe of GoW ! And I would sure like to see Athena again as the new boss villain in a higher plain
I’m pretty sure the rift had something to do with how kraits travelled from his reality
All I know is I want more God Of War. I like Atreus and will even play a game with just him, but we better keep getting Kratos stories.
And on Atreus, the writers of the game did an excellent job with the Giants going to foreign lands. Because, Giants exist in almost all Mythologies, and they can very easily say that those Giants were Norse.
And, I would like for Kratos to peek in on Greece, I don't need an entire game set there, maybe just a giant level.
And, I personally think Kratos will be loved there. He killed the Fates, allowing everyone to not have their Fates decided, before birth. He killed a lot of awful Gods, he gave hope to the people.
The higher realm stuff, sounds like a Wuxia story, and I'm down for it.
The first stranger (Baldur) boss fight is just perfect.
It’s my favorite boss fight in my 19 years of life and 13 years of gaming.
His mysterious appearance coming out of nowhere, the worst possible timing for Kratos. His son isn’t ready, he’s still recovering from the wounds of Greece, he’s still trying to cover up his history. And Baldur, although speaking of the giants, doesn’t realize Kratos believes he’s speaking about the Greeks.
The oracle theory isn’t really a theory to me, other than the speculation on who she actually was. It seemed obvious to me that she wasn’t altruistic or good hearted, and the Omega symbol necklace seemed like a dead giveaway too. I thought that was the entire point. That he was being played by the Gods from the get go.
I always assumed the Oracle was Cassandra because she wasn't believed and ignored. Her laughter was at the fact that Kratos would not listen and now has pain.
Ares prophecy also came true. Ares used Kratos to destroy Olympus. He fulfilled Ares promise with the one exception that the first god of war was not around to see it...or was he within the blades of chaos. Something to consider.
One of the Norns in GOW:RAGNAROK sounded like Athena. That would have been a mind-blowing plot twist if it were cause I'd like to see how kratos would react to it.
After Athena said you dissapppoint me Spartan kratos was like does it lool like that I care😂😂
Kratos is truly a Man of Legend, having slaughtered an entire pantheon, is working through a second one, and given the last game's reference to other lands and their respective deities and the fact that the last God of War game was originally going to take place in Egypt, he's likely to annihilate one or two more
In that sense, Kratos is also a rather tragic person, as it seems inevitable that no matter what he does, not matter how much he wishes to avert it, he's bound to end up in conflict with another pantheon, slaughter them all and destroy yet another land through bring forth yet another apocalypse
But what if it was the case that this wasn't merely the result of bad fortune or circumstance, but rather the deliberate manipulations of another. Many a fan already suspects that Kratos's second wife Faye is using him to destroy the Norse Pantheon, but what if it goes back much further, and much deeper, than that.
For starters, let's go back to the beginning and examine the event that turned Kratos from a willing servant of the Gods to their rage-driven, vengeance-seeking killer. It all starts when Ares decides that Kratos's family is proving detrimental to his potential as warrior and servant of the current God of War, so Ares decide's to take Kratos's wife and daughter, dump them in a city Kratos is ransacking so that he unwittingly slaughters them... then immediately shows up to take credit for the whole thing. ANYTHING SEEM OFF TO YOU ABOUT THAT!?!
Sure, Ares in Classical Mythology isn't known for his tactical skills, but even by his standards, this is an insanely stupid move. Basically everything about that plan just ensures that Kratos would end up despising Ares and likely start rebelling, especially when it'd be less risky, and alot simpler, to just let some enemy soldiers and have them kill Kratos's family, or better yet, disguise himself as an enemy soldier and do it himself, then show up after the fact and tell Kratos that it happened because he was "too soft" and that the same would happen to the rest of Sparta lest he get his act together
And in the 2018 game, basically everything we hear about the Aesir either comes from murals left by the Giants, or from Mimir, but if you pay close attention to Mimir's Tales, you start to notice something off about them:
- In the tale of Hrungnir the Stone Giant, Odin brings the titular Giant to Asgard to party, and when Hrungnir gets drunk, he starts jumping about and raving about how he's going to kill everyone there, then Thor walks in and kills Hrungnir. This story is used to frame Odin and Thor as cruel and nasty, but put yourself in Thor's shoes, if you walked into a room and saw a large, drunk man spastically ranting and raving about killing everyone in said room, wouldn't you try to stop it?
- The story about Mjolnir been stolen tries to pass off the one who did it, Thrym, as been "cunning" even though all he did to get it was luck out in finding Thor asleep, and just robbed him, an act that required zero cunning, then offered to give it back in exchange for Freya's hand, which given the fact that the hammer was the greatest weapon of the greatest Giant-slayer in the 9 Realms, is a move any sane man would call "retarded"
- The account of how Asgard's Walls were built tries to pass of the Gods as double-crossing backstabbers, except they upheld the bargain they made with Hrimthur, and gave him with his audience with Freya. Now yes, they did kill him afterwards, but nothing in the bet was said about him leaving alive, however, when you stop to think about the tale, certain questions pop up, if Hrimthur expected to leave alive, why request an audience with Freya to tell her the walls weakness instead if taking that info back to the Giants? and why did Hrimthur make a bet at all, instead of asking for cheap but reasonable price for his labor so as to not arose suspicion? In the original myths, it was the Gods who made the bet at Loki's behest cause the price been asked for was so outrageously high
- The tale of Groa the Giant Sorceress portray's her collecting every scrap of magical knowledge to expand her power as a good thing, but every story of Odin doing the same is portrayed in a negative light, even though she's only doing it to find her husband while Odin is trying to prevent in the end of the world
- And everyone throughout the 2018 game agrees that Ragnarok coming to pass is a bad thing, but when telling the story of Surtur the Fire Giant, he insists that the Giant devotion to making it happen is a good and noble thing
As such, these stories seem carefully crafted to make the God's look as bad as possible, while giving the Giants every benefit of the doubt, to the point of making them virtually Saints. While actual Norse Mythology, which the game insists is propaganda on Odin's part, portrays the Aesir in a more noble, but still flawed, light. Now ask yourself, which account is more likely to be true?
But let's take a look at what we do know to be true, the Jotun and Aesir have been at war for Centuries, if not Millennia, the Jotun are incredibly skilled sorcerers with the power of prophecy, which is especially true for Faye, who we know for a fact spent years making preparations for the events of the 2018 game, and it's possible to bewitch someone into believing false information without them even knowing
Now Odin is too paranoid and knowledgeable in magic to ever let himself be open to bewitching, and Thor is incredibly wary of the Giants, so there's never going to be a chance to place such a spell on them, but what of others who are more eager for peace, like say, Tyr, Mimir, Freya or even the two most skilled Dwarven Blacksmiths in all the Nine Realms
But Faye wouldn't of had much influence on Kratos's actions in Greece, and now that she's dead, on his slaughtering of future pantheons, so she can be part of the scheme, but not really the main force influencing Kratos's constant God-Butchering. So the question is, who keeps putting Kratos on this path?
I love your detailed thoughts!! It does make sense. The interesting thing is though, Kratos doesnt really kill many of the Norse gods in these two games, he kills one of Thor's children ( Atreus kills the other ), Baldur, cuts off but reanimates Mimir's head, and Heimdall. Yes Sutur is stabbed and becomes Ragnarok but I dont count that one. Kratos even tells Atreus that killing gods is not what they do, that there is no point killing them. So it seems Kratos is doing everything he can to stop the slaughter. SPOILERS FOR END OF GOW Ragnarok: He even calls off the Asgard invasion when he realizes there are innocents being sent to die in order to delay them, he doesnt want anymore needless bloodshed and death.
Other then that, Your idea is phenomenal! A great question and theory!!
@@Basebrat1294 Thanks, and yes, Kratos doesn't kill as many Gods, but he still brings about the destruction of an entire realm, and ends the reign of the Aesir
@@logicmeister1821 You are right.
Honestly, I like the way they went with Ragnarok, where it was destined one way but we'll likely find out that it WAS CHANGED, where we'll get a moment in GOW3 where we find out Atreus ended up having power of time and found out he already traveled time.
*GoW6
TL;DR the Greek rebuild theory can be a perfect way to introduce Roman mythology for a one off game!
I think with the rebuilding Greece theory, it would be interesting to see that story come to life and introduce the Roman mythology. If the people of Greece are truly rebuilding the then they could be easily conquered, especially if the conquerer is the Roman Empire one of the greatest empires of all time. Athena seeing this probably inserts herself as a being or godly figure(since she is a god) to the romans,(who have no concept of a mythology till they conquered Greece) introducing herself as Minerva. The romans seeing her then learns of the history of the Greek mythology and they adopt the mythology into their own renaming the former gods, areas as mars, Poseidon as Neptune, Athena as Minerva and Zeus as Jupiter. How to resurrect the dead Greek gods idk, maybe since the Roman mythology believe in it the dead gods get reincarnated or maybe Athena does something to resurrect them idk, but can you imagine the story potiential? This can legit be a one off game where we see kratos rebuild Midgard as we see from the prophecy, no mention of atreus who is looking for other giants(which I see can be introduction to Egyptian or Japanese or many others) and freya as ur ally, but kratos is rebuilding then boom the little area you are rebuilding is being attacked by a force(the Romans) and kratos defends his town, but once he kills a lot of them their general( a familiar face)introduces himself, knowing who kratos is and it’s ares but reincarnated as Mars and they have a badass fight like baldur or Thor but Mara retreats and kratos sees a glimpse of Zeus or Jupiter and decides to go after them, knowing they will attack his town and his people, and he goes off after them, killing the Roman gods. One of the main criticisms I saw with the new Norse games is how kratos only kills literally 2 gods, baldur and hemidall, yeah he fights 5 baldur, heimdall, freya,Thor and Odin but only kills 2 of them and this little one off game can serve as a god of war 3 power trip for the fan base, idk that’s my opinion I could be wrong lol
With Mars/Ares, you have to go back to Ares' soul being tortured in Hades. When you defeat Hades in GOW 3, all of the souls on Hades roam endlessly. There's a chance one of those souls is Ares searching around.
@@Felipe2000-r6k ur rightttt the souls did get set free maybe it could be similar to the giants souls in ragnorok
I don't want them to make a roman pantheon because you won't get any new creatures or gods with new personality, greek and roman gods shared a lot of things so it won't really make any thing new honestly..
Technically he kills one more God than you thought, he kills Magni
@@Felipe2000-r6k about the soul of Ares, was not there an easter egg in GOW 2005 that a developer said that Ares's soul was locked within a chamber in the room of Mount Olympus and was tortured?
End of Ragnarok
Tyr claims he knows the name Kratos but can't remember from where, most likely due to time in captivity, leading to my assumption that his captivity had happened AFTER Kratos arrives in Midgard.
I think Tyr had something to do with his arrival but Kratos doesn't remember in his own right, likely due to his time with Faye, accepting his role in these new lands
yeah in that one scene where they're visiting scenes from past or future in the temple, they show that moving tapestry-art like thing that shows the two wolves, and a female, and a man. They're unchaining the two wolves from the story of how Kratos got to Midgard. I saw in another video that people are believing that the lady is Faye and the guy is Tyr - Tyr knowing how to move between realms besides odin's 9, assisted first in Faye freeing the two wolves, and then in Faye using the wolves to bring Kratos to Midgard to help the giants.
its also possible that Faye might have mentioned something about Kratos to Tyr while they were possibly working together
I thought it was pretty clear that his terse demeanor in GOW4 was the only manifestation of outward grief Kratos allowed himself to show after (Lau)Fey's death. He's grieving the loss of his wife and mother of his son, there's no secret theory needed here.
One Theory is wrong. Kratos literaly travel from Greece to Midgard as that simple. There is a Multiverse. Cory Barlog said it himself. All Phatheons sharing the same world, like territories
There's clearly some higher being at the center of all creation. The fact that multiple realms and deities exist, and also the mask that doesn't seem to have any known origin. Something ties them all together.
Humans belief in them?
I mean… I haven’t heard anybody talk about how atreus’ eyes glow when he talks to Jormungandr lol but idk maybe it’s nothin.
Tyr was given the ability to travel between realms by the gaints. It's explained in GoW 2018 by Mimir
i like the Tyr theory yeah the Norse Games has reshuffled the Eddas a bit making Fárbauti' and Loki aka Kratos and Atreus the Making central characters
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Spartans are trained to speak little.
Utilising a style of speaking called laconic phrase.
Some of the best lines in spartan history.
My pitch for the next Game: Egyptian gods start attacking Midgard because Kratos is there. RA has a big grudge against him. Big Twist. RA IS Apollo wanting revenge.
Loki wasn’t adopted by Odin in proper Norse mythology, that’s a Marvel thing. Loki was a blood brother of Odin, forming an alliance as an adult. This was of course until his binding
Loki is only found as a baby and adopted by Odin in the Marvel universe. In Norse mythology Odin and Loki are oath brothers.
A good lore explanation for why one pantheon's doom didn't impact another could be oceans themselves. When a sail sails out at night or your boat has special properties, the line between the stars and water blurs and a God could literally sail between realms. In a sense each realm is a world among the stars and you literally wash up along their shores. The trick is to know how to navigate once you're out there else you could end up anywhere or lost, the cosmos being what it is, time moves erratically once out there. Just one of many ways to navigate between realms or dimensions. Each one while a part of the greater cosmos, has it's own people, Gods, and history. The cosmos has a shared origin but the realms within do not. So what made one or created multiple like Asgard and Midgard, didn't create Greece. They might not have birthed at the same time because time is erratic.
The climb up the ice tower where Ares was dead I was so sure on New Game + he would spring to life and would be a new boss fight
"Good thing you learned the runes eh brother"
I don't think the one about Kratos speaking Norse is true, because you can actually hear enemies talk Norse in some sections of the game. Even Atreus when he uses his different arrow types speaks Norse while shooting them. So does Freya when she casts spells. And he talks more in Ragnarok because they made the story more wholesome concerning Kratos and his son.
That's literally just gow it works, it's not like they're actually speaking english. Everyone in 4 and ragnarok is speaking norse, but obviously we have to be able to understand them and reading subtitles the entire time wouldn't be great. It would also be weird to never actually hear norse words, hence why we do hear them in some cases
The problem with the Multiverse theory is 1. They confirmed the Greek realm is flat 2. Kratos and Mimir when they talk about their travels heavily imply they physically traveled through ordinary means (Mimir actually saying "A time when a man goes north to make a name for himself" so I see it as each country/pantheon has its own realm but when you cross the borders you effectively go to other natural laws. Tyr using the unity stone to travel was likely a "fast travel" means to get around this. Given Greece itself is implied to be a flat world (thus ruling out it being a whole earth) its likely each realm is like a puzzle and each has about the same bounderies as the country itself does
3:10 Thank you.
Maybe the higher plain that Athena talked about has something to do with the 7 deadly sins.
Athena sacrificed her life to save Zeus in an act of selflessness, not acting out of greed like other gods.
Thor had a near insatiable bloodlust and lived to fight and when he put down the hammer and defied Odin, he let go of his blood lust and was able to ascend.
As for Thoth and his presence there I can’t place a sin with him because there is not much known about him. If anyone has an idea of what his could be let me know
Thoth could be something relating to knowledge since one of his epithets in actual mythology is "master of knowledge", so i'm guessing it could be lust for knowledge and since he ascended he stopped beeing lustful at some point.
thor didn't ascend the devs said he was consumed by his own lightning after he die, he didn't 'sacrifice' himself and he wasn't worthy either.
@@HitmanHimself well the thing that I believe would have allowed Thor to ascend is the fact he put down his hammer and decided to no longer fight. Plus there’s the fact that despite Thor being heavy set, he can move and react pretty fast, so he would have had a chance to block or dodge odin when he tried to stab him.
@@imperius6004that is possible, it could also be envy because he kept searching for knowledge because he was envious that there were others who knew more than he did. But I don’t know enough about Thoth to give a definitive answer
@@snakethejake97 putting down hammer doesn't mean a sacrifice.
And Odin was fast he killed him.
Imagine if atreus goes to greece finds the blade of olympus and meets athena in a spin off game of sorts
im late on the vid but theres a theory about kratos being death cuz death cant die and every where death goes there is ofc death and since kratos killed thanatos a.k.a god of death that means he isnt god of death cuz death cant die and the gravedigger said that kratos is death in that moment kratos realized it and everything soo far confirms it god monsters animals everyone around him is dying and he just wont die even in ragnarok when he was destined to die he didnt
The cut 😂 "so what do you say" "no" 😂
There are some things that doesn't make sense in GOW like Cronus and Rhea. How can a normal size woman and a walking Mountain able to have a child like Zeus lol.
That is mythology
The titans can change their size, they could become the size of humans, this is mentioned in gow Ascension
*spoiler alert!*
Here's hoping it's Freya who helps Sindri come to forgive Kratos. If anyone can help him, it's her. If they ever make a new game that is.
Freya also hated Kratos and Atreus for the death of her son. But there's a difference between the deaths. Brok was a loyal and good soul. He loved his brother. Even finding out the truth about what Sindri did, bringing him back to life, he still loved his brother very much. Baulder on the other hand, had NO love for his mother. He was cruel and unforgiving for what she did to him, even after his curse was broken he still wanted to kill her. And the moment he started choking her as she tried to tell him that she loved him, he just choked harder and interrupted her saying that, there was just no love inside him. And at this moment, at Brok's funeral, Freya finally comes to terms with what kind of a person her son really was.
Sindri has a grudge against Atreus not Kratos. The quest to find Tyr was Atreus' idea that he kept from Kratos
@@thembanitheone True. But he shunned Kratos just as much, at Brok's funeral especially.
7:41 the pantheons don't exist on different Earths. Cory Barlog already explained this at a developer conference.
Persephone cursed kratos as punishment for stopping her from destroying greece and to prevent him from seeing his family.
In my school vr game there is a confirmed line in chapter 1001 trailer that's confusing but it's comfirmable ( kratos: so you still being alive is because your hades puppet) that was said by kratos after him and the doom slayer saw Goalius alive after the end of chapter 1000 fallen demons
I do like the theory that the rift is part of the connection between kratos past and him getting to midguard........that would be interesting and intriguing if they used the next game with Atreus and his travels alone to seek out the giants and stumbling upon the connection while also learning of everything thing Kratos did in Greece and while somewhat horrified he would also gain a new appreciation of his Father and how much love he truly has for his son and why he was the way he was.......and that could lead him back to being United in the next game after Atreus Solo game and it could be a culmination of EVERYTHING and an EPIC end to the story once and for All at least for Kratos........Atreus could continue on in other games going to Feudal Japan........ Ancient China even.........I could go on but i think i have given enough........if anyone actually connected to santa Monica studios sees this feel free to use this idea i would only want more games to fully flesh out and finish kratos story line with NO gaps or questions
As for the Athena theory it does make sense for her to not be real Athena but a fake.
We all forgetting Kratos has the power of all the gods he slayed . I think it’s essential that we are reminded in newer releases .
the way this could be called a video about Athena
I always thaught that ratatoskr from sindris house, is actually odin in disguise since they both have nearly the same outfit pieces
A god of war game where it takes place in the higher realm would be dope and unique since it's not Egypt based or Greek based or Norse based etc
. I do actually believe that a soul is shattered when the orb is destroyed.
Knowing this, I wonder where the pieces go, what type of consciousness they are, and how to repair them. If Odin's soul was shattered where is he, is he in one pices, is he fragmented, can he return?
He has returned from death before, for he had hung himself on the world tree in search of its secrets only to be returned to the living (the tree was so pissed that it sent him back).
Lastly, speaking of soul shattering made me think about somebody that we might all just miss so much that we hope he returns. Brok's soul bits were fucked with, and when he died, it was made clear that without that, there were many side effects, being an inability to interact with soul-sensing beings(like the lady of the lake who made Draupnir). It also means you are denied an afterlife. Sooo...
Odin and Brok are both characters people want to see more of. We may just end up trying to save Brok, only to free Odin as well, or that can happen in reverse, like Brok being a silver lining to Odin surviving. I think we still have a lot more to learn about Odin and Brok.
Odin knows too much and Brok can teach us about dwarven magic which might be instrumental now that they arent under Odin's tyrannical rule anymore. Sindri wouldn't teach him, hes not going to talk to them unless Brok returns.
I think they might both either make an appearance or a full fledged return. I think it will happen at the same time that Faye will return.
Actually the “Greek reborn” theory is true in GOW Ragnarok Valhalla dlc after getting Helios’s shield a memory shows Kratos ripping off Helios head but tyr says “in the years of rebuilding” so Greek is definitely rebuilt
Haha love that they shared that little Hmmph together at the start after the “if it was necessary not because it was written”
personally I feel the green Athena in God of war 3 and 2018 isn't the real Athena in the higher existence we see in the comics. The one we see in the games seems filled with more hatred than guidance. She only appears when kratos is at his lowest or to berate/bother/ or remind him of his failures. Kratos constantly does that and has nightmares daily. But when we are in the self-forgiveness stage, we see Athena as one of the people he is truly guilty of killing. She always guided him where to go on an adventure, tried to give some insight, and shielded from danger when she could. One of the only allies he didn't need to question for the longest time. So my theory is she represents the hatred for himself and his regrets. They separate once he tries to die in god of war 3, removing himself from his regrets. So once he's at his lowest once more with atreus possibly dying of illness by his own mistakes Basically sentencing his family to die again, Kratos is spiraling in madness of what to do. She then appears again to mock him and remind him. Only when he's at peace with that and is off to heal atreus does she dissappear into specs. Permanently removing the tie binding them.
Gow 2018 Athena was confirmed by the devs to be a hallucination of kratos.
While Gow3 Athena cannot be a hallucination of his mind because:
1. Pandora saw her aswell
2. Athena gives him new blades of exile.
3. She does take out the blade of olympus from his body.
@Hitman Himself Maybe pandora sees her because she's the heart of the flame and the embodiment of hope. Athena casted that power into the box so perhaps since she isn't living or dead being something stronger than the gods in raw power, she can see Athena? also Maybe him seeing her pull out the blade was in his mind or his power having enough strength to pull it out and his mind going crazy one last time before being temporarily cut off?
@@bizzaroblake2519 couldn't really understand all u points but regardless there are way too many dialogues present in game to suggest GoW3 Athena was there, either real Athena or someone else in disguise.
Let's be clear about one thing, if I dream about someone/something I will need to have information about them right?
If no body was there how come kratos knew that there is a place called higher existence?
Then how would he know the information about "Flame of Olympus" "Evils releasing to the gods" "Pandora" etc etc. Everything that Athena basically tells him, something he might know when he was at olympus but not everything that she tells him.
@@HitmanHimself The Devs did not confirm anything. They stated that maybe was on his mind, maybe not.
@@fredy2041 they did, they said "for us (devs) she was never there" and they explained how she wasn't like kratos says "athena, get out of my head" and them mimir neither sees her nor hears her.
i'll be frank, my favorite part in the norse games was Kratos threat to Odin, Odin had decided to mock Kratos bringing up what he did to the greek gods implying it as some sort of threat that he'd tell Loki
just for Kratos to turn it around and say "return my son to me, or you may meet the god i once was"
Odin fucking pauses for a good moment there, Odin is fully aware that kratos hadn't gotten weaker in his age, he is simply calmer and holding back, Odin knows the kind of god Kratos used to be and it scares him
Look, Green is commonly used to denote 'unnatural' things
Athena and the mask being green honestly reek more of 'these things are out of place' rather than 'these two things may be related'
fun fact: a fan theory was "odin is tyr" and poof
Hear me out….Loki with the wooden mask in this game…..Jim Carrey’s “The Mask” was a wooden mask of the night god Loki and had a green shimmer to it……connected? Will Kratos make an appearance in Jim Carrey’s universe next?!
In Norse mythology, Loki was never adopted by Odin. They were both adults when they met and were actually blood brothers.
(I hope this comment doesn't offend anyone, thats not my intention)
I've always thought the final God Kratos would kill would be Jesus BUT not in his usual way. He wouldn't battle Jesus in that game, he'd actually be his friend and protector
What if Kratos replaced Longingus and pierced Christ's side with the spear (Draupnir perhaps?) To end his suffering on the cross.
In the very first gane they did show a mural depicting the Magi on their way to Bethlehem, they could revamp and adapt the idea to fit the new style
I feel real strongly about kratos being cursed to not take his own life that is the only way he could survive stabbing himself with the blade of olympus.
here's another athena theory.
i already commented this theory on another channel.
'so when odin tried to look into the green crack with out the mask he lost his eye
i think athena took his eye and used it to create the green crows(eyes of odin) so she can keep an eye on kratos and atreaus because she can't physically be there.(and we all know that Odin's magic is not green
and remember odin was looking for knowledge and athena is all about wisdom)
and maybe kratost still has the power of the pandora box and she still wants it back(which is unlikely cause when he killed him self it was released).
and we all know that the game directors said that when kratos was talking to athena in gow 4 was an illusion because mimir didn't see her, but what if she hid her self from him because mimir is known for the smartest man alive so he wouldn't ruin any plans she had, and the fact that mimir actually knew about her says it.
so what do you think.
I just noticed that odin voice is played by the dorctor glassman in good doctor
Kratos' daughter is alive and is looking for him , hestia is pissed and also looking for him