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@@damianmika3840 i can read the hate in your message you fleabag
@@damianmika3840 jealous? lmao 🤢
As someone who has gotten back into mountain biking in the last few years, I can say that regardless of how much value and capabilities new bikes bring, nothing is more shocking than shopping for your first "real" mountain bike. If you're not used to the idea of a bike costing more than your first car, it's a bit overwhelming.
@@truckywuckyuwu yes and no. Yes quality bikes are pricey. But remember- the latest materials being used, the components, Engineering and the quality control. You don't get any of that with a chinese wal mart bike.
@@truckywuckyuwu i feel like a lot of bike are a bit overpriced but.. the you can't compare the 300$ bike to 1000$ + bike.
I am always budget conscious on my bike and most expensive that i had was 1500$ Trekking bike . I rode it for a year and now now i have a cheap bike for the city ride . You can tell the difference and have better riding experience.
Last year i got to try Piviot Trail 429.
Oh boy . It was freaking amazing compared to 600$ MTB that i had the Piviot blew me away with its ride comfort and gives confidence to ride..
I been tearin it up on a Huffy Highlander 😁
RANCH ME BROTENDO!
@@grizzly6604 For me, only the frame matters. Rest of the parts on the bike are mass produced and you can buy them off the shelf. If you don’t like how a part performs then just swap it out. I think some of these bicycle companies are charging an arm and a leg because they can. Is a Ferrari better and faster than a Corvette? The simple answer is no. There are many brands in Taiwan westerners never heard of, and they build bikes that are just as good for much cheaper price. Some of these factories make bikes for top end brands around the world and they also have their own house brand. The same goes for some of the components (carbon handlebars, carbon seatposts, headsets, carbon pedals…etc), name brand and house brand. I am Taiwanese American and I’ve been to some of these factories, so I know what goes on in there. In my opinion, Santa Cruz bikes are nice but they are not worth the price. Not to mention, Santa Cruz is owned by a private marketing company now. Just like Diamondback bikes, they are owned by a private equity company now. They use to have Diamondback bikes at Walmart and Target, but no more. The private equity company also owns Mavic. These people don’t care about biking, they only care about how much money they can make. Pon Holding LP is in the automotive marketing and licensing business, and Regent LP is in the leverage and flipping company business. At least Giant Industries in Taiwan is still owned by the founder and his family. The same goes with Merida Industries.
@@TougeGrandTour kev central loves those walmart bikes. they totally make mtb so much fun.
I used to have a storm. an absolute beast. used to ride black trails and 30 ft jumps on it until it finally gave out lol
Lol how did it give out? There are a couple available in my area for like $600 used. Recommended or not?
@@Jackofafewtrades Nope, get a Fluid instead if your Budget is that tight.
@@Jackofafewtrades Depends. They're your best option if your'e looking for a bike you could ride pretty hard for a low cost (not saying it would feel like a dream but still you will be able to). They're not designed for trails or jumps so you might mess up a couple of things but over all they're great. If you have a bit more money then you should prob buy a higher speced bike so it will last longer. btw I broke almost anything on it by riding it very hard pretty much everyday, but still a really nice bike for beginners.
@@HeyBaumeister agreed
@@yuval1516 ay thanks for the response. I think I'm probably just gonna hold out a bit and save for something like a torrent or a Marin San Quentin. My girlfriend is actually also looking at getting a bike. She won't ride it nearly as hard as I would (I come from a long time on a BMX, so I know my way around a bike and will be jibbing it as much as possible) so I might consider a Storm for her. Thanks again.
My brother: who would spend more than $1000 on a bike
The entire bike community: *OBSERVE*
LOL, my inlaws when I told them we rented 4k bikes! They said the material doesn't cost that much 🙄.😆add a 1 in front
@@N8MRN literally my dad
They dont realize thats cheap these days😂
Im sorry but these prices are your own fault the only reason the prices are this completely out of wak is because you idiots payed it just a few times and that's all it took for the manufactures to go uuuh they paid what ....stupid is as stupid does now you're all screwed forever HAHAHAHAHA JackAsses
@@vodkasour8385manufacturing a bike is more expensive than you think, there's alot of testing which cost money, couple that with the materials needed to manufacture a bike and you got yourself a pretty good price especially in the carbon / higher end bikes, the higher price allows the company to keep running and keep manufacturing bikes and align the company to grow. The reason why people buy very expensive boxes for the luxury kind of like someone buying a Lamborghini or Ferrari, it's not because we're idiots it's because we like the craft, people like expensive stuff and we are not an exception. And since moutain biking is a very fun sport.
Q:How much should you spend on a mountain bike ?
A: how much money you got ?
3 cents, take it or leave it
@@eeeeeeeee9381 u might be able to buy a tech deck???
@@dblevins343 He's Indian
@@huckcast7175 Do they not sell tech decks there?
@@dblevins343 No idea but he's not keen to spend money like an Indian lol
I paid $1,500 for a second hand Cannodale Gemini back in 2005. Then, $2,000 for a used Santa Cruz Bronson in 2014. Still have both bikes and both still very capable with all upgraded components. Prices have gotten out of control.
here in brazil i can buy a nacional brand hardtail aluminium, deore m6100, m4100 brakes, RockShox Judy Silver 100mm and some cheap regular aluminium rims for more than 10k, the price of that last santa cruz hahahahahahahaaa. oh and if wonder, a santa cruz nomad like that costs around 50k here
used santa cruz for 2k sounds not too bad prob still pretty good if in good shape
Agreed,
This is definitely a sleeper video. At first, I thought it was going to be a quick, cursory video, but it ended up being one of the most in -depth, informative bike video I’ve seen. ♥️
VanCan: Norco Storm isn't meant to drive Whistler etc. etc.
Sam Pelgrim: "Hold my Columbian Rambler". 5 minutes later:"This bike is the dream!"
Lol Sam Pilgrim is fucken Insane
hes a crazy guy, very good rider lmao that thing held up pretty good
@@sh3ll509 The fact he can punish Walmart bikes the way he does and have a blast doing it to lol.
He’s a legend, natural born rider
"This bike isn't meant to ride Dirt Merchant" - Cut to Next video "Riding Dirt Merchant on a 900 dollar bike"
🤔
@@VanCan would be good content.
@@Jackofafewtrades Just needs a click-baity title and he'd get a million views: " I rode Dirt Merchant on a $900 bike and here's what happened!" lol
@@MorryB "Oh no, dirt merchant on a $900 bike???"
Would love to see a Trek Marlin 5 or similar ridden beyond its intended capabilities...then if the frame survives, overbuild it with the best components that are compatible and then find its limits!
The more I watch these type of videos, the more I realize how bad my hand-me-down 1996 specialized rockhopper with no front suspension is😂. I still love it on the trails though!
The best bike is the one you own!
@@VanCan and the one you use.
@@Anna_Key This. Bikes are worthless wastes of garage space when they're not being ridden. Get a bike, any bike, and ride the thing and you'll be infinitely superior in equipment performance to someone not riding.
Bought an Altitude A50 29 and I absolutely love it and I also think carbon is Not necessary
I'll never buy a carbon frame again. It made me too paranoid, and I found that carbon frame, carbon wheel and carbon handlebar made the bike too stiff. I prefer an AL frame with carbon components.
Waiting for my A50 to arrive today!
Only downside of the Alloy Altitude builds, you have to go carbon to get a RS Zeb or Fox 38 or Fox X2 shock
@@mrvwbug4423 the A70 comes with the Fox 38 Grip 2 and X2!
@@hpkiunzy what? use a carbon oneup bar. and enjoy the niceness
It really is crazy what you get for $1900. Back when I was building up my first MTB that was almost exactly the price of a Kona Stinky. Now it gets you a hardtail with similar components. Inflation is tough.
Not really, you say "back when" so a 2010 kona stinky retailed for 2100$ and doesn't hold a candle to the kona honzo now. It came with a x7 derailleur sun rims a rockshox in front and an in-house coil in the back. It's not even close to the value you get in the honzo bang for your buck has come way up you get way more for your $$
If you go to shops then just learn to get stung for the mark-ups.
Can get a polygon D7 that has things we didn’t even dream of back then, air forks, dropper post, amazing frame, 1X11, etc. the best bike in the world 10 years ago isn’t worth anything now.
I went with a specialized fuse for $1100. It has a dropper post, hydrolic brakes, deore clutch one by system. It's a steal for the price. Not the best front suspension but can't complain at all.
In my day though we had 10 speed bikes that only one gear worked. You would be surprised at what we put them through.
I had a $500 budget and the day I went to go buy it from the shop I ended up spending $1000+
That’s how it always goes 😂
What bike did you end up getting?
it is how it is...
Oh I got a 2021 trek roscoe 7
@@ellesnyder942 it has a 1 x 12 drivetrain meaning it has 12
Vancan: Mostly Greens
Me: Riding blacks on a used 2017 Raleigh tokul
Keep in mind that a British Columbia 'Green' is like a tough/techy Blue anywhere else! :D
Skill>too much bike any day
I have the exact same bike. Got it used for $220 and it holds up pretty well. For me, the biggest downside is its weight cause that thing is heavy.
I only started mountain biking last year, even though I was interested before.... And my current bike is the Norco Storm 3 2018 version (I plan on upgrading to a better bike soon)... I have changed out the stem for a shorter one, put on some flat pedals and more agressive tires but I have too say this bike is absolutely worth the money you spend if your new to the sport and don't plan on sending big jumps - think more XC and a bit of road. I even ride my local enduro tracks - it isn't the smoothest, the preetiest or the fastest, but it works.
Years ago, my first mountain bike was a Specialized Hard Rock Hardtail that was pretty cheap. Took it down some green trails and hated it. Did not inspire any confidence at all. Almost gave up on mountain biking right then and there. Tried a couple more times, still hated it. In a last ditch effort, I tried again, on a much better bike, I felt 1000x better and proceeded to fall in love with the sport. My son tried MTB'ing on that same Specialized, hates mountain biking to this day. Even as a beginner, I would not totally cheap out. Rent something or buy a decent used bike or splurge on a decent hard tail to start. One that has good geo and kit that while not needing to be the best, will perform well. Specifically brakes, forks, tires, 1x drivetrain and a dropper. There are some great options in the $1200-1600 range like a Nukeproof Scout, Whyte 905 and the Vitus Sentier that will not hold the rider back and will not break the bank too bad.
this video is gonna blow up just watch
Wow, I’m a cyclist but I just started working at a bike shop and this video just answered all my questions about different tiers of parts, hell yeah
Half of people you ask in the Mountain bike community consider a $600 bike a decent beginner bike and the other half consider a $2500 an ok beginner bike. Thats like me saying a McLaren 720s is a ok starter sports car.....
Walmart:$428.00 aluminum frame, full suspension,1× 9 speed, 29" wheels, non-hydrolic discs (can't have everything), powder coated frame. I like mine.
Good to see that my almost 20 year old aluminum full suspension MTB has the same as what's new.
My girlfriend has shredded her kona fire mtn (essentially similar to the norco storm 3), at whistler, revvy, and sun peaks ( plus local trails) for 2 years, definitely rough but the bikes held up.
This is super helpful to understand what components make the bike more suited for what you want to do. As someone new to the sport, I am interested in learning all I can. This video rocks!
I bought a Polygon D7 earlier this year. It's an off brand but my bike snob friends are extremely impressed. It is priced extremely reasonably. I've been riding all my life but nothing too crazy. Read the reviews they are a great bike company and I love my bike.
I bought the same. A whole lot of bike for what a normal rider would do. Still kicking and no failed parts. I changed the tires to Maxxis Assagai and DHR2 and the bike behavior totally changed to more agile.
Whatever you can afford and like the spec/look of is the best option for you. I've seen plenty good riders absolutely shred on bikes worth $300-$500.
Thanks for sharing hope. LOL.
@@MLeoM Dude, there's a kid that rides at my local...He can go bigger than anyone and he has half a pedal haha.
Yep... The fella with the best tennis racket is usually a 💩💩💩 player.
I’ve seen rich dads cautiously hitting the greens on $10k bikes and young shredders bombing the blacks on 10 year old beaters
It ain’t cheap, but what you can get these days for a range of $2-3.5k is actually an incredible value for dedicated enthusiasts.
3000 is an incredible value for dedicated idiots
@@Blox117 idiots how? I payed 2700 for my giant trance 2 and I haven't had to replace a single part in 3 years of riding blacks and double blacks and riding HARD. Compare that to my old cheaper specialized hardtail which broke weekly. With bikes you get what you pay. I've gotten a ton of enjoyment and use out of my bike, and it's been more than worth it for me.
Call me an idiot, but I'm the one having fun.
@@RainytheNB uhhhh, 2700 can get you a bike that easily goes over 100mph. obviously you have no concept of value.
@@Blox117 I’m not sure how old you are my dude; but you can’t really put a price tag on the enjoyment of a hobby. People who ride as much as some of these guys; see the worth in spending that much because of how much strain they put on the bike. They go cheap; they have the potential of hurting themselves out there, or find themselves putting more money into the bike
@@TheJuggaloVenom there are people who buy 10,000 dollar audio cables because they "think" it makes a difference. it does not
Small correction: The Honzo has the 11spd Deore groupset, not the 12spd as mentioned in the video. Same shortest and longest ratio, just missing a gear in the middle. And HyperGlide+ tech (which apparently helps the 12spd shift easier under load)
Small correction to you as well. It’s not a gear in the middle it’s a gear at the top end. Shimano 11 speed is 11-51 and the 12 speed is 10-51.
Fantastic in-depth on why they cost what they cost and how to appropriate the funds when moving up the chain. Brilliant.
And always remember that direct to consumer is wayyy more value and aslong as you havent got a good bikeshop for your brand around the corner its better than shop bought in all aspects 😁
very true, having a rockshox 35 on a 3k bike is horrible value. should be at least a yari/revelation
I feel like most D2C brands have a bad rep as far as frame quality. I've heard some bad stuff about YT and Polygons frames. Brands like Canyon apparently have some sort of lame factor similar to Trek. Not really sure why. It's all just hearsay though.
I've heard that there building from warranty fram up with what parts they have in stock. All shops around me are empty. Was told next year for a bmx for my 4 year old. So the family ended up with box store bikes just to ride. Not what i wanted 😕
being a bike mechanic, I am a little biased of course but trying to be an unbiased as I can and from what I hear customers say to me... having that bike shop that you can always goto if you need help vs having to call a direct to consumer brand for warranty support is SOOO much more convenient because nobody wants to be out a bike for potentially a month at time just to get a derailleur fixed under warranty. if you have an issue that you don't know how to fix, bringing it to a bike shop that u normally do business thru means that bike shop is probably gonna go out of their way to make you happy an just fix that issue for free for you so you can get riding again. that's what we do at my shop. if someone spends their hard earned money with us, we always will take time out of our day to fix an issue for someone if they ask nicely. it's really that simple. but even the, I do sometimes tell customers to buy D2C brands if they're looking for price to performance.
@@dash0173 you can still take a direct to consumer bike to a shop if you have issues lol.
also bike shops are really slow with warranties in my experience. some of my friends have ended up leaving their bikes in the shop for 4-5 months, even over simple stuff like a buckled rim.
I paid $1100 for a brand new 2013 Devinci in 2015 that originally retailed for $3500.
Bargains are out there.
Still riding it and it rips to boot😂
you reminded me of my uncle who drive all the from Vancouver Canada to California cuz he got a 40% off on a Trek Remedy 2016. Now its 2021 and its still looks brand spankin new. Bike shampoo every after ride. LOL
And if you waited until 2017 you could have that some bike second hand in nearly mint condition for $300.
I own a 26" Montague folding Paratrooper mountain bike, and it is the best bike I ever had. This bike is so good that the US Army and the Marines use it for clandestine operations in remote areas because of its complete silence when under way, and that it can go on forever without the need for fuel. Although we don't ordinarily realize it, when it comes to transportation, bikes happen to be one of the world's greatest inventions, one which even surpasses the much-touted EV power.
Something else that is makes full suspension bikes more expensive are the linkage designs. The Ibis’ DW-link linkage will feel much better to most people than on cheaper (especially sub 2000USD) FS bikes.
I’ve got roughly 3600 Canadian dollars (£2100) and I think this point is perfect. If your in the Uk or Australia, the Merida 140 offers great value. If you want to smash 9ft drops, send massive jumps and plough through rock gardens I do that on my £600 hardtail. But it has caved in. The more you spend, the less it breaks.
Cube bikes are almost never reviewed. They offer awesome value. I built a bike, but if i was going to buy a stock one, it'd be a cube. Problem is that they are not available everywhere
for around 4500$ go for the lower end Rocky Mountain slayer or altitude there really solid great options
Stellar review!!!!! I will now go and take a ride on my upgraded Mongoose!
I ride a modern slack long travel hardtail, these things are seriously under rated and extremely capable. They handle the rough really well, but come into their own when on flow trails the acceleration you get pumping out of corners and dips is really good, they build speed really well. I do bike swaps with friends that have decent full suspension bikes, and I am not tempted to go away from my hardtail. If you have not ridden a modern slack long travel hard tail give one a go you will be surprised, and it will put a smile on your face !!!
Which bike do you ride.
@@theatomic430 I Ride Bird Zero AM Boost, 27.5 + tyres 160mm travel fork, HA is 64 deg.
When the Norco Fluid came up, I was thinking oh no, if you just spend a couple hundred more you could get a Ripmo AF. Next bike that comes up: Ripmo AF. 🙌 Spend that money people. There's no comparison. That cheap fork on the Fluid will hold you back. For slightly more money, the Ripmo is and absolute shredder that will allow you to advance without ever outgrowing the bikes capabilities. The bike has great geometry, and your getting premium suspension at a great price.
a 2014 storm 7.3 (800 cdn) after sitting for 7 years, was used hard on jumps rocks and the works and had 0 problems all year until my derailer hanger snapped riding down the street right after winter ended (had strong winter use aswell) no complaints at all for a cheaper bike :)
It’s like Moore’s law applied to bikes. My first real bike was $1000 in 1992. That’s a huge amount for a bike back then. Next, $2000 in 2004, $3500 in 2010 and I just dropped $7000 last week for a full carbon rig.
I got a 2017 giant reign with xx1 build and Lyrik/monarch for $2600. pretty happy with the deal and it's been good for me as I progress to harder and bigger features.
Honestly, my used trek hardtail never could’ve stopped me from taking it to spider mountain bike park
Had my 2017 trek x caliber 7 for a month or so and took it to Burke mountain in Vermont. After going there the following years with a proper full suspension I realized why my hands were so cramped and numb by the time I made it down on my trek
I started off with a decent $300 Amazon Mtb then bought a $700 cannondale 7 then I got $1500 polygon d7 and man it’s a night and day difference between all of them. Especially the quality and components they are incomparable.
Good to know. I am thinking about getting my first MTN bike soon. I was originally looking at the xtrada 6 because the price was kind of in my "sweet spot", but then thought I should maybe go to the xtrada 7 due to the air fork and better drivetrain on the 7. But then I thought, "well if I'm spending that much I might as well go to the d6" because of dual sus and dropper post for only a few hundred more than the xtrada 7. I'm still torn, but I think the d6 is what I'm going to go with, but curious to know what you think? I guess I should also add that I live in Denver, so it won't just be used on flat dirt trails, I plan on working my way up to some pretty rugged stuff
@@andrewscasualmtb you're right, it just sucks because then I'd be spending about double what I was initially planning on spending. But I guess I might as well just bite the bullet and get something that's going to do what I want, can grow into, etc.
@@pancak355 I pulled the trigger and I’m so happy I did, I recently got the 2022 d7 full squish it’s a lil over my budget but It’s definitely worth the extra cash for the components. I really enjoy going thru hard terrain and hitting decent jumps and drops smoothly, just remember to dial in the suspension according to your weight to get the most out of it. If you love the sport I’d say go for it.
@@jcabron5381 here I go again with the "well, for just a few hundred dollars more" routine. I was about to buy the d7 thinking it was on sale for $1700. Turns out my size isn't on sale and is actually $1900. Now I'm wondering, since I'm already so far above what I wanted to spend, do I now go for the t7 instead at $2200? Really appreciate the feedback so far
@@andrewscasualmtb thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it
I had a storm for ages until upgrading, rode it on some black diamonds and even some downhill trails - great bike for the money
It's the little things too, on a 'budget' bike like a Voodoo Canzo you'll bottom-out your bottom bracket and pedals on some things that a LaPierre Spicy will sail over with no contact, etc..
2:55 & 3:08: Look no further than the Giant Talon 2. Great bike for the money!
OMFG I needed this video yesterday! New bike day coming soon!
A lot of people underestimate the cheap mtb bike and what they can do. That bike can easily do some jumps
Still riding my 1998 Trek 7000, upgraded over the years but still handles anything you throw at it. I've even taken it down the mountains when the ski resorts are closed.
I ride an alu hardtail (2019 Diamondback Sync'r), but I've been looking at getting a full suspension for traveling and taking friends out. This was useful, but since I'm more interested in metal, I've been looking at steel full-suspensions.
Still can’t get over how much of a steal my 2019 Hawk Hill 1 was. Just under $1900 stock, add in a dropper and bam, full sus trail bike for less than $2200. It’s amazing for me.
Slightly better spec this year on the Hawk Hills but they’re also $400 more expensive lol.
I like buying used bikes, I can’t afford the decent entry full suspension bikes but managed to save some money and got a canyon spectral Al 6 used from someone, best purchase ever made to my experience so far. The bike was almost new since the owner almost never used it but needed gone since he was moving
For anyone looking at buying the $900 storm:
I’d take the Rocky Mountain soul 20 over the storm. $90 more, but you get 120mm travel, deore groupset with clutch derailleur, 1x system, slacker, hydraulic brakes, thru axle in the front, tubeless ready, etc
I just bought one after selling my marlin 7 and I can’t believe for roughly the same price after tax I it such a better bike. Fork could be better but the tapered head tube means I can upgrade later on
Thank you for being so specific on uses… I bought a bike with a similar setup like that, just getting into the sport and the salesman tells me it would be great for mountain bike trails..as that’s where I wanted to ride. IT WAS TERRIBLE. I’m a natural at riding so right from the start on green trails my chain kept popping off. One use and I knew I was lied to.
If it’s not “made” to ride it doesn’t mean it can’t!!
I have a canyon torque cf8 which I bought from the manufacturer which basically came with all the same add ons as the Santa Cruz Fox 38 front and x2 in the back shimano breaks it came to about 7000 Canadian, point being don’t buy from a store if you want top of the range go with manufacturers.
I remember I started on a used bontrager privateer 3x8 with a marzocchi z1 and rim brakes. Rode it for a season and then splurged on a 2-3 year old rocky mountain element 70 for 2800. Awesome bike I still ride now, and for 3k usd I could see getting a fluid or the torrent. Torrent reminds me of my ns surge which did awesome on the dh trails. Smart people look used now. Tons of great deals out there on older bikes.
Take note Norco... I think he's trying to tell you something...😉
Here I am, someone who doesn't even ride mountain bikes, watching this video in it's entirety... I'm now considering it
First time going up a ski lift and doing real downhill mountain biking…..my first thought was, “oh that’s what full suspension and disc brakes are for, thank god I have a nice bike”
I think that spending too much on a bike negates a big advantage of mountain biking: it's an affordable sport. (Atleast compared to motorsports.) A lot of times it's simply not necessary, and you could have more fun with that money by spending it on trips and lift tickets. The gas gets to everybody though :/
My homie had a Santa Cruz, It was an absolute MONSTER of a bike
Better be the price is insane
@@Phantom096 Definitely worth it tho
@@Duckiez3 It has Fox shocks like a Ford Raptor. Interesting.
I founded a used 2009 or something Diamondback mission 3 for $500. Put Maxxis tires on it and it’s a beast. Full suspension and everything and it’s my first real mountain bike
Yesterday I just bought a used 2017 Knolly Endorphin for 2900$ in good condition. Lightly used is the way to go imo.
the amount of money you have + some of course!
on a more serious note usually the top specced alloy version of a bike is the better value than the base carbon of the same model.. look at the Trek slash lineup as an example
Really like the look of the Ibis....I'd personally rather have better components and a aluminum frame vs. Carbon frame and "lesser" components
Great bike, I have it in a custom build.
After 17 years of mtbiking i went back to where it all started and got myself the 2022 Fluid hardtail. Put in a few upgrades and i love it. Perfect for what i intended to do with it. Today's hardtails are so versatile and fun.
Im happy you are giving cheaper bikes a chance because i just took my norco fluid hard tail to whistler and had so much fun riding trails like d1 dirt merch pro pulp fiction and tatiana. Full suspension would be nice on some harder tech trails but it's not necessary
I put my fluid through the ringer and its held up nicely. As you stated I bought the FS3 and ended up having to upgrade alot of the parts but I bought it knowing that was going to happen because I knew I was going to do it anyway. Suspension upgrade next and then it should be bulletproof for my more aggressive riding style
i bought i canyon torque, with fox and i think it is a amazing bike with good value
I recently got back into mountain biking and started with the 2011 Intense Tracer, it seems to be all the bike I’ll ever need for what I ride.
Back when I bought my first mtb in '95, you paid more to step-up to the aluminum frame from the less expensive chromoly steel frame. I'm just getting back into riding after a very long time so I'm surprised to see chromoly hardtails being sold at a higher price point due to the more "premium" material. I also wonder why I haven't seen more modern trail/downhill geo with lower spec availabile at an entry-level sub $800 US price point...would also like to see tapered head tubes and thru-axles at that price point. Perhaps it is because those lower spec components wouldn't be durable enough on a more agressive bike? It would be nice if someone who bought at the Norco Storm entry price point would have an upgrade path for more agressive riding...without having to step up to a whole new bike like the Norco Fluid HT or the Kona Honzo.
giant talon 29 2
@@JacksonPhipps-uo8wp ? what are you trying to say :D
I could see in your face how much you wanted that norco torrent. Buy it and make some hardtail videos, that would be sick!
I went from Trek marlin 5 new - Giant reign 2015 used - Giant trance new.
In my experience thinking that your saving money on a used bike can really backfire if you don't know how to inspect the bike completely. I would have saved money over the three years i rode a Giant reign if I had bought a new one.
I got a Giant Talon 2 for $650 US, so far pretty good. It also came with a 1x9 clutch setup
I got a cannondale trail 8 for £480. Bog standard parts but a spring fork and hydraulic brakes and you’re off and running your local trails. Upgrade as you go. My mate got a trek something or other for £500 and it’s even better. Mines is straight steerer (didn’t know about tapered), his is tapered so he can stick decent forks in if he gets into it 🤷🏻♂️
i have the norco storm 4 i got it for 815 cad and it drives really well on the road and light offroading
It's funny how they say to ride it on dirt paths and stuff like that. I had a specialized hardrock with 26" wheels and I took it off jumps and black diamond trails and stuff and it survived fairly well after I replaced the rear axle cuz it broke
Hard rock is the best kept secret in the bike world. Ahead of it's time. 68 Degree HA on an an old bike (2011) Super huge tire clearance and bullet proof. I'm running 26 x 2.8. I'll never sell this bike.
@@MarkVanWey awesome, mine was stolen this winter but I had 2.2 wide tires. Looking to get another bike this fall. Probably just looking for a nice hardtail around $1500
I had a bike like the storm and I completely used it to everything it wasn't made for like big jumps black tech trails and other crazy stuff
That norco is badass! Looks just like my Sunday scout but as a mountain bike. I could see a lot of bmx people going with that one.
Hey I used to have a Kona honzo! It is a damn good bike for the money!
I would take the Dvo Onyx and Dvo Topaz over a Rockshox Lyrik/Rockshox super deluxe or A Fox 36/Dpx2 all day. Please don't be deceived by big name brands. The ott settings of the Onyx and the small bump sensitivity of the Topaz beats those two other big name suspension brands and wait did I mention about customer service? Dvo customer service is second to none! But again to each their own I would say 😃👍
I was really excited to see Ibis using them on the Ripmo AF. I’d be happy to have their suspension on any bike.
Trickstuff brakes and ext suspension and you are way above. It's absolutely nuts how much you can spend on parts if you want something really specific.
There will always be the difference between quality of a product giving some that edge and providing forgiveness. From a personal lesson I can say that it will always fall back on the person, their skills and their abilities. I know this from early on trying to make up from my lack of skill by throwing money at something trying to gain that edge. But flip the coin and see it from someone skilled and they can thrash on anything!! My personal and non important but mostly true opinion.but gotta love that high end stuff tho!!!
My fam when they hear how much my canyon sender costs with parts- “10,000?!?! ARE YOU STUPID?!?! WHYYYYY?!?!?”
Damn I love that Evil Offering, surprised you can even find one in the shop, there's none online whats so ever, well in Australia at least.
I just got my first real dual suspension bike after dabbling in bmx and hard tail stuff when I was younger.
I got a $1500 polygon d6 with a shimano deore 1x10 and a trans X dropper. The bike is amazing compared to what I’m used to and was on sale for $1350. It’s MORE than enough bike for anyone in my opinion. Unless you’re a pro biker there’s nothing else you could want unless you want a lighter bike, which again, unless you’re a pro, why?
I think you might want to point out that there are some trail bikes that can handle rowdy stuff. Especially now with the new trail bikes.
Totally. It’s hard to cover every use case for everyone’s riding style. But if you’re a hard rider you can definitely still ride a trail bike.
Great video. Hopefully it can provide some perspective to those who may not understand the bike industry, and what goes into the price points.
You should take a look at the Canyon Torque 5 it retails at $3500 I think and comes with Rockshock Zeb 180mm with a Rockshock Super Deluxe 180mm it has some good components for the price
great video. Guy looks like Edward Norton. I recall back in the day, it was 'better' to have a bike with an aluminum frame (since it was newer and lighter). Everyone wanted to get rid of their steel frames. Just an observation in watching the video that things have come full circle (at least at the entry level, anyway)
I rode Dupont and Pisgah on my 2020 Esker Hayduke hardtail. $2000. Should I have had full squish? Yes. Did I have fun on my hardtail, yes. The trails I normally ride at home are perfect with the Hayduke. Next Pisgah trip will have full squish.
I really like staying in shape and having strong legs , i think if i go to carbon my legs will loose out on a good workout.
I love my Norco storm 3. Though I am definitely in need for a better bike and am hitting black level trails on it. I have so much fun on it. It does really well on steep chutes.
I did a single black jump line at a bike park near my house on my giant talon 3 which is similar to the storm and cracked my rim and that was when I realised I needed to get a better bike, I was out riding that bike so bad and I now have a giant reign 2020 that I got dirt cheap of my uncles friend
@@oskifv sick!
This is why I love dirt jumpers
I bought a 2021 honzo last August when the shops were able to order them and i absolutely love it, cant beat the bang for buck. Also howdy from New Brunswick 💪
I’d like that Santa Cruz please 🙏
This was a great video! Informative and honest. I am strongly considering subscribing.😉
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I have a 2021 Ripmo AF and it’s probably the best bang for the buck at it’s price point.
I ride a 2021 Norco Sight A1 - $6500 AUD. My wife rides a 2021 Norco Storm 1 - $1150 AUD. Both serve their purpose perfectly and are used within their abilities.