This is really contrary to many of the other reviews and comments regarding the QPro I have seen. Many people say it's incredibly clear and they are able to work in VR for hours on end. The main reason I am considering a QPro is for desk / monitor replacement work purposes. I really don't know what to think now because I hold Bradley's opinion pretty highly.
@Gamergeekenator No, I haven't. I was just using my Quest 2 yesterday with Virtual Desktop in one of their included 'gamer room' environments though and it felt like the virtual monitor they have set up in that environment was perfectly sized and spaced from my viewpoint. I could read everything I was doing very clearly, even with the Quest 2. If it's "almost there" with the Quest 2, surely it must be ok with the QPro? I'm gonna go to my local Best Buy to see if they have a station set up with the Quest Pro. Multiple people online have said Best Buy has a demo station set up, though I've never heard of that or seen it locally, so I'm not sure.
Same I want to upgrade. Give me an index 2 that’s wireless and I’ll give them my money. But please announce it before the quest 3 cuz I can’t wait forever.
If Valve makes a MiniPC add-on to their headsets, it might highly likely be powered by an AMD mobile GPU! That would be pretty neat if they can get their efficiency per watt way up!
The colors make a bigger impact on immersion than most people think. I didn't notice it until I went from Q2 back to Q1 and that made me really miss OLED displays.
Same, I don't miss the Q1's screendoor though. I revisited Rez Infinate recently for the first time since I played it on PSVR and it looked like shtako. I couldn't figure out why for a while, afterall I'm playing it on a higher res headset with a powerful PC so It at the very least should look just as good as the PS4 version if not better... then I remembered that the Q2 uses LCD not OLED, for this reason I havn't bothered with Tetris Effect either since it shares the same visual style
@@Clara_Page Just to be clear - Screendoor isnt a OLED issue for say - you can have that with any panel that has a wide pitch per pixel. CV1 didnt use full RGB either - it used half sub pixel design. Meaning it had 1/3 less subpixels that a full RGB OLED could've had. All to say how awesome OLED was even back then.
I for one do NOT miss the OLEDs... I'll take density over contrast any day, sorry, I don't feel like simulating the experience of standing 5 inches from a screen door. I have a Q2, Q1, Index and VIVE Pro and the Index displays are by far the best, and going to any other type is just plain jarringly low res and underwhelming.
I'm not a top beat saber player or anything, but I play do play on Expert+ and these controllers made a significant difference. Especially one specific part of a specific song where you need to cross your wrists while swinging really fast. Since there is so much exclusion going on no other controllers were able to track that accurately, but the pro controllers did it flawlessly. I beat my PR the first time using them.
I would get them but the lack of the ring which I utilise in my gripping style would mean having to hold it in the default style which I find hurts my wrist more and is uncomfortable.
@@Ballissle Are you aware that holding the controllers that way (with fingers over the rings) affects your tracking quality? The way the headset tracks the controllers is by seeing the LEDs that are spread along the ring. If you are putting fingers over the rings you are blocking some of those LEDS and making your tracking quality worse. You should consider getting straps (grips) instead of holding the controllers in ways they are not meant to be held.
@@mranon123 I never said I hold over the rings. Yes I know that lol. I hold in quest claw grip style. The ring isn't necessary for it but it helps support my hand position and avoid sliding by gripping the edge between my fingers. While my two middle fingers reach over the top, palm over the button pad area, and thumb around the side able to click the trigger button. Also the cameras would be where I currently have my thumb
@@Ballissle Clear. Some custom grips allow you to not have to grip at all and can make controllers just kind of "glued" to your hands, maybe that could work for you? Though probably need to wait for some custom grip solutions because, as you mention, they have to be designed with Qpro controller cameras in mind.
Thanks tremendously for this review Brad! You answered some of the main questions I haven't seen addressed in other Quest Pro reviews like the quality of eye tracking in PC VR and the battery life when connected through PC along with brief mentions of accessory mods. For the features I'd definitely consider this at somewhere like a $800-$1000 price, but I think I'll stick around with the Quest 2 a bit longer and probably get the Pro controllers at some point in the future. With all the comfort and accessory mods I've made with the Quest 2 I see no need to invest in a $1500 headset when a Quest 3 and potentially the Valve headset are on the horizon.
I think $800 valuation is lowballing it a tad. The controllers cost $300 and that that’ll make the headset cost $500, the same price as a quest 2. Something definitely doesn’t add up.
@@jonislow A little conflicted to be honest. I just got FBT working on the Quest 2 with HaritoraX and realized how bad the controller tracking is in VRChat which make me really consider getting Quest Pro controllers. With the added features of face and eye-tracking the current price of the Quest Pro is really tempting, but the conflicting issue is that the Quest 3 is right around the corner. I know we wont get face and eye tracking with the Quest 3, but if they end up using the same pancake lenses *and work at 120Hz* then I'm willing to wait. It's all a matter of time at this point.
@OminousD I hear ya! I've been debating that myself. I'll prob wait on the 3, it's not that far off. Thanks for answering! We have it good when these are the things we're worrying about.
I still really wish they had blended the controllers and hand tracking to work together, and added a strap. It wouldn't have to be resource-intensive tracking your whole field of view for your hands, the controllers could tell the headset where to look for a smaller tracking box, giving finer finger tracking range & subtlety than 'I can feel you touching the trigger button' being sent from the controllers Edit: It bugs me seeing my ghost hands overlaid across my real hands in Passthrough home environment, my real fingers right there, but the ghost hands only reacting to direct touches to buttons instead of following my digits.
I think of that all the time and i don't understand why nobody talk about this. I think it's the cheapest solution for finger tracking with the quality of controller tracking , maybe im unaware of technical difficulties for the software but i really hope they add this one day
You would still drain the battery life of the headset doing that - sure you will have your hands always there - but stuff like that isnt free and its a major resource hog in doing so for a already limited SOC / battery design.
They kind of did introduce a form of hand tracking on the controllers. You can curl and flex your index finger and it will sense your finger’s position.
This would be really cool, but it would unfortunately stop working in many scenarios definitely better than having no finger-tracking though, but I don't think meta would spend the time to implement something like this
@@badmoose01 Only up to about the point your finger is touching the sensors in the buttons, once they're about 1mm away, they stop picking up your finger position
Quick note regarding the eye-tracking: For some bizarre reason, if you look down in any way, the meta avatars will bring the upper eyelid down with your view. I have absolutely no idea why this is the case as my various experiments with it seem to indicate it's perfectly capable of tracking your actual eyelids and usually does, but in some weird fit of madness they've added this unwanted override behavior for the upper lids. Even if you have your eyes open as wide as possible, the minute your irises starting going even close to below center you'll see the lid come with it. Absolutely baffling and I really hope they take this 'feature' out.
Good review. But I must say as an Quest Pro owner (being an avid VR user since Oculus DK2 in 2017 and owning 9 headsets until now) that all this is true… but it is a TECHNICAL review. I mean, Quest Pro is a really weird device because of its own conception. It seems Meta itself doesn't have very clear how to sell this thing. It it really a Quest 2 Pro. A high end Quest 2 with some experimental features. And that's great… but the hardware is expensive so they can't sell it that way, hence the "productivity" part. So most reviewers, obviously, analyze that and they conclude it is not a monitor replacement. And that's true. It is not, but it is also true that you CAN use it for that if you need to. I use it for software development with my Macs when I don't have access to my 49" ultrawide monitor and, of course, it is not comparable, but using 3 big virtual displays it is undeniable better than programming with a single tiny 13" Macbook pro display. So yeah, all the technical mumbo jumbo is true, BUT… if you ignore the price (and that's a lot to ignore), and compares with other devices... it is just GREAT. The resolution is the same as Quest 2, sure, but since there are two separate displays and real IPD adjustments, there are more perceived resolution in your FOV and that is very noticiable for me, so I see more resolution than Quest 2. The color, contrast and clarity of the lens are amazing. Text looks crisp and readable even at small size (I don't agree with that part of the review). It is the most comfortable headset I've used… but ONLY if you add some headband to balance the weight, otherwise I agree is quite uncomfortable. Controllers are great, passthrough is quite better than Quest 2 and they have improved a lot in the last v47 update, PC streaming is just perfect, way better than Quest 2, and at the end of the day, you still have a Quest, so you have access to the Meta store and ecosystem… what can I say?, it is the most enjoyable headset I've had and the best buy I've done in a long time. Can I recommend it to everyone? With this price… absolutely not. But I really think it's the best headset you can buy. P.S. My first impressions were quite bad too, but I changed my mind as I used it. I've seen the same behavior in many UA-cam reviewers. Bad reviews at first… to end using it as main device and enjoying it a lot. Still, that price makes it hard to recommend unless for VR enthusiasts.
I also own it and don't find many of his complaints to reflect my experience -- even if not fully wrong. The price drop ($500 off permanently!) should make this a very promising headset for the enthusiast crowd. I've been in VR since DK1 and this is my favorite headset so far.
This was an outstanding video Brad, your ability to articulate so much in a kind of almost unbroken stream of consciousness without any script or notes is truly Carmack like. I've had this headset since launch and absolutely love it but have to say your analysis is spot on. Whilst there are lots of UA-cam influencers out there, as well as VR and other tech media sites reviewing the Pro, you covered it to a level of depth and technical expertise that goes well beyond everybody else. Seriously some of these companies should hire you for some consultancy work! BTW, what are you going to do with your Reverb G2?
Thanks a ton. I’m beyond relieved to read all this haha. I’m gonna keep the G2. I probably won’t use it much, but I feel It might be a shelf relic soon.
I noticed a strange subpixel pattern and more obvious SDE on some of the through the lens footage, first person I've seen who knew about the rotated displays, this may be the cause of it. I thought it was just from the new QLED
@@SadlyItsBradley About the G2 - as a longtime WMR user i'm very curious if you've given the platform a more serious look because it's something almost everyone ignores and heads straight for SteamVR. For a product that came out around the same time as the original Vive it features some concepts that are closer to the "monitor replacement" the Quest Pro tries to sell itself as. All the native Windows 2D applications are accessible not just in the Cliffhouse home but in-game too, and regular mouse input works surprisingly well with the way the pointer is projected from your view in 3D, something SteamVR still lacks. Microsoft had worked with Logitech on a special WMR-enabled keyboard with tracking LEDs on it that would've allowed you to have passthrough hands overlayed ontop of a virtual 1:1 tracked copy of the physical keyboard as you type on it. In typical Microsoft fashion WMR was abandoned before realizing it's true potential as a VR productivity tool and was simply ignored in favor of their dead-end hololens project.
@@SadlyItsBradley that seems oddly uncharacteristic of you because you went out of your way to save $300 on the quest pro buying used but will keep around a $600 useless headset for no reason.
I am using the quest pro as a PC VR headset with the original link cable and the battery drains like 1 percent per 2 hours. Need to say that the default link settings are kind of crap and you need to change quit much manually via the diagnostics tool
This got funnier the longer I watched, thanks for the information and brutal testing period Bradley. I've noticed that almost everyone who does reviews whether it's on Amazon or UA-cam, the people have only owned it for maybe two days, maybe a week and haven't really put it through the ringer to test it's durability, true usefullness, etc. I appreciate the dedication, awesome video.
It is everyone's favorite sport (beating up on Meta). While I do understand a great deal of what you're saying, out of my 9 VR headsets, the Quest Pro is my go to for both stand alone and PCVR.
Great review - confirmed all my suspicions - -I feel VR should always be dedicated to gaming and should be separate from AR - - VR Gaming seems to be on the back pedal and all the recent releases and announcements show the lack in interest in games as we still aren't getting AAA content - hoping PSVR2 can save VR from itself..
I got one because cheap trade in of oculus. I’m liking it… compared to the 2. Only use it for pcvr but have been playing on airlink with little to no issues, which really surprised me. A bit heavy and uncomfortable. I’m embarrassed to say that I actually like the workspace functions. I use the Immerse program and run all my stat apps in multiple monitors. A big bummer with that is the limited amount of keyboards for the integrated system. Leaps and bounds better than my quest two but can’t really compare to anything else.
At the new $999.99 price it has made the Quest Pro far more worth it IMO. Software updates in the future should unlock all of the unique features for wired/wireless PCVR.
someone on UA-cam that is honest and doesn't just say everything is great so they get free product or money from the company . thank you for that we need more of that
Channels like this are the rare gems that feel like going to the old internet when the biggest content creators were independent and not sponsored by corporations (or at least having close, friendly "relations").
Thanks for the review. Cemented my views about the headset and fully convinced me to upgrade to Pro Controllers (I was already somewhat convinced). I really hope those things are as great as people describe them. I really, really don't want to install base stations on my walls while at the same time would love to be able to have higher swing range and do some shenenigans with the controllers. The fact that they seem to track even better is a cherry on top. Can't wait to get those and use them with Q2. I was beginning to think that Qpro and Pico 4 releases brought more fake hype than actual improvement but those controllers just seem to actually be that big upgrade in VR experience. I would be shocked if those werent supported by Q3 as well, so it's also a great investment, despite them being "a little" pricy. Late edit, I forgot to ask... (Brad): Can you say a bit more how the controllers work with Q2. Does the tracking have same quality as QPro?
This guy doesn't reply to any comments. What makes you think he is going to answer your question? It always cracks me up when people do this. Talk about naive.
@@roadcyclist1 He replied to my last question in a different video. So, no, I am not being naive. You are just being overly pesimistic - he literally answered multiple questions in comments under this video. I don't expect him to answer to every comment, especially since the question was added later with edit. Part of the reason I write the comment is that someone else might give feedback as well (someone with pro controllers).
Great review! and agree with all of the points you made. I use mine exclusively for pc vr and find comfort to be a big issue. If you tighten the strap to keep the headset stable, it's too easy to overtighten and it feels like your head is in a vice that you really don't notice until the headache kicks in. Another let down is the d-link/air-link thingy and wi-fi, it's almost impossible to get it to work and the stand alone rendering/processing sucks. Screen door effect is just as noticeable as the index, maybe amplified because of the better lenses? This should have been the quest 3 pro and the high-end business version should have had some more time in the oven. Valve where are you????
This is the video I was waiting for. Yeah, the AR is just a first stab, clearly they need to develop it more, so they have to get it out into the wild to find out what their problems are so far. Looks like they won't have face or eye tracking in the Q3, so they will likely lean even more into the AR if that's still in the cards. Pass through works well enough for me, the AR stuff is an all right novelty. But for me the thing that makes it worth while is the optics. Everything I loved about the Quest 2, in crystal clear, wide angled clarity. They should have included a top strap, once I added one side to side off the side straps, all the front pain on my forehead went away. The multi-monitor thing isn't intended to replace actual monitors, but to augment someone's laptop with better monitors. It's certainly better than a small 1080p laptop screen.
How long do you think the Quest 2 will be viable? I stopped using the DK2 about 3 years ago, mostly because my brother gave it to me ages ago. Worked OK for VR with keyboard like VRchat and DCS, but it has been unsupported for ages but still works in Oculus app. Got my Quest 2 this summer and I hope I can keep it for a good few years as well.
I bought Quest Pro for PCVR. On stock render settings, I agree with your analysis regarding aliasing. Now I have a 4090, and cranking the render res up to 1.7x, ODT 3616 render width, Fixed 500Mbps bit rate. The clarity is insane. I have a video through the lenses on my channel.
I’m glad you addressed the comfort issue For me it’s just god awful. Even Quest 2 with the default strap felt better, let alone with custom accessories. With Quest Pro I still have red stains on my forehead 30 minutes after the session, and it really hurts. I heard some people say Quest Pro may not be a comfort king, but I didn’t expect the comfort to be that bad
I totally agree. Was my first WTF moment when I tried. Luckily, I was balanced with the OMG moment when I tried it with the studioform deluxe strap that I was using on my Quest 2 some days later. Definitely, Quest Pro should have been released with a top strap.
thats been oculus's strat release a beta product then once you iron out the kinks make a new product that does everything that one was meant to do but better rift CV1 -> rift S (tho tracking here was a downgrade) quest 1 -> quest 2 quest pro -> maybe quest 3, more likely a quest pro 2/quest 3 pro
@@flamingscar5263 Rift S was a downgrade over the original CV1 imo, the tracking was worse, no headphones, and only 72hz. Only improvement was a higher resolution but nothing game-changing
that's interesting what you say about the rotated displays causing strange antialiasing, I noticed on some of the through the lens close up footage the subpixel pattern looked strange and the SDE looked more obvious, this must be why. I thought it may be due to the different QLED displays. In some through the lens the SDE looked really bad and distracting
I'm on such an edge right now. I got brand new Quest Pro for $1000, right after price drop. Still have a week to return, and I'm tempted. As we getting closer to Quest 3 especially. I don't mind comfort issues, but battery life, plus no real light blocking plate, especially with glasses just makes me sad, any time in a game I look around and want too look up I see my room pretty much and kicked out of immersion in a split second. Can't seem to find a good cable that would work great, right length, and charge or prolong charge of the set while wired. And yet I just feel like I don't want to give up those controllers that no other set has. Then also giving up playing in a dark room, when my family might be sleeping and I can't just move my whole gaming PC setup anywhere else =) Still trying to justify keep or return and I'm lost still lol =))
Without adding my own top-strap, I wasn't able to use my Quest Pro for more than a few minutes without it leaving a huge red mark on forehead. If I was using this purely as a personal device and not as a dev device, I would definitely have sent it straight back. That being said, while I'd agree that the resolution is still too low for text-heavy work, the overall visual clarity is head and shoulders above what's come before, so if a similar optical stack is in the Quest 3, I think people will be pretty happy about that upgrade.
Great video. it's everything i suspected it was, but it's good to have it confirmed by you by actually using the thing. This Gen 1 device is just not ready for what it aims to be. Can't wait for your honest take on the Pico 4. I went with that one, and with the current available options in the market, I'm quite happy with what it offers.
When I first tried VR at home with a Quest 2 last year I was hugely disappointed by the low resolution of the so called "4K" display. It looks worse than 1080p on a 27" monitor and I'm used to 4K. It's not a big issue for Gaming because good (PC)VR games are such a great experience but I can't imagine using it as a monitor replacement. Pimax Crystal has 35/42 PPD on 2x 2880x2880 displays. If the Deckard really has 2x 4Kx4K OLEDs VR could finally come close to 60 PPD.
Swapping out the forehead cushion as well as getting a top strap makes a HUGE difference for comfort and being able to wear it for long periods of time.
Forget those stupid Meta avatars! Embrace the Taidum in VRChat! ;D Also, thank you for the comprehensive review of the Quest Pro. Hoping the Quest 3 is a worthy upgrade over the Quest 2. Wish the Quest 3 would include eye tracking though.
Selling point for me is flat gaming normal PC games. Could you output SBS 3D for playing games or movies? Thousands of 3D fixed PC games including modern games available
Lawd! But I might spend a whole hour watching this. The depth sensor isn't existent, is it? Nope. That was the pro mixed reality feature. Do we have a part number for the module that was supposed to go into it, some way to identify it ourselves? Weren't they working with Microsoft to utilize real sense technology? Based on the videos I've seen, the color passthrough doesn't look much better than the 960p the current Foxus camera delivers and without that depth sensor I don't think there's any way you can get a solid mixed reality experience from this. Using software workarounds to provide the mixed reality experience is a bad bad idea. I've been looking for synchronous dual lens cameras to plug into the Quest 2. The highest resolution I've been able to dig up is 1080p 30fps at best. The alternative is to purchase two individual single lens modules and build a board that synchronizes them and delivers via USB 3. I've been experimenting heavily with the use of 2D Android applications in the passthrough environment. Since v44, I've experienced the passthrough view becoming a frame-dropping, barf-worthy hellscape. It still happens on my headsets after the v47 update, although 2D applications seem to run a little more stably. It all worked a lot better before v44 though. I've also been experimenting with connecting peripherals, like cameras, to the Quest 2. Color, high resolution passthrough is possible for the Quest 2, but it would have to be an app unto itself. As a compromise, a web browser and app launcher could probably be built into the camera app. I also foresee a potential here to build devices that could provide a completely different VR operating system and environment right through the USB-C port. Imagine mounting a couple of cameras to the front of a headset and a strap with an Android or Pi device built-in which delivers a completely different VR/AR/MR/XR experience using your original headset as a screen and set of controllers. Actually, the add-on could even have its own controllers and probably provide a better experience. Why would Meta choose to use a lower quality display on their Pro than it's predecessors? I've rambled. Have a great morning! Lol The Quest 2 is also incapable of displayport output, but it can handle wired video input just fine. The Quest 2 also at least has its one port on a side.
It's kind of neat going into a brightly lit scene in Alyx and keeping your head stationary while standing still, without any sideblockers, etc. You can trick yourself to believe you are in that world with natural eye FOV.
Everything in this review was very well explained. The only thing in this video that I was like oh man that sucks was when you told me someone got motion sick. But like you said when you don’t have the full blockers, it makes it even worse.
For me, was just the opposite. I had a lot of eyestrain with Q2 but these lens and IPD adjustments makes me forget I'm wearing a headset. Also, to my own surprise, I ended using it without side blockers. It is surprisingly great using that way. For a more immerse experience, side blockers make its job perfectly as long as you wear the headset as sunglasses, resting on your nose (which you should do, anyway because of comfort and FOV gain)
@@ButtorsGaming Well, Quest Pro is indeed my 9th headset. My previous one was Quest 2 but, please, understand me, I'm not saying that side blockers are good at block light. They aren't. I mean I was surprised to realize that I don't NEED to block the light most of the time.Yes, there are experiences where you want total light blocking for full immersion but I mostly enjoy more having the "full open" setup for using this headset. And I think side blockers, although not ideal, does the job FOR ME when I need more blocking.
watching this video on my quest pro right now I dont regret buying it. for all the problems you listed, it's still the best headset I have ever used, and I have used dozens.
I bought a quest pro yesterday and am disappointed to find that the screen is very washed out and dull looking in games. I have the brightness all the way up and playing games like propagation a dark title, it is very hard to see even with a flashlight and brighter menus. Is this due to local dimming not being on? I’ve tried with some other games the same brown haze effect is on the edges of the pancake lenses screen. It is very distracting and if I can’t find a solution then I’ll have to return it.
I don't know if you've had a chance to use the Magic Leap 2 yet but I will say that it's the first headset to really be able to do proper AR. It blows the HoloLens and the first Magic Leap out of the water with the new tech they added to make the images actually look opaque. Plus the field of view has been expanded enough to be much more usable. The form factor is much smaller and the device is much lighter this time around though they do have the compute separate from the headset unlike the Quest Pro. Its obviously not a consumer device at like $3.3k but its definitely a lot further ahead than I was expecting.
Honestly wish we weren’t moving towards stand-alone, I love the valve index so much, and I’m not really excited to hear about the next valve headset due to it having standalone features, I’d prefer a much better pc headset with better features like oled, better controllers or hand tracking, and facial tracking
12:56 Yes, Horizon workrooms on windows does not support virtual monitors. BUT I found if I plug 3 dummy-display port connectors to my pc They'll show up in horizon workrooms. So workrooms will show all your connected monitors atleast(limited to 3). I have actually tried to work a couple hours in VR with my quest 2. Turns out running after effects and Blender and other demanding apps is too low fidelity, and LATENCY is what is worst. I can work basic photshop and graphic design. But whenever I animate it's not "fast enough" for me.
The reason it doesn't have a top strap is because if it's used in the workplace, you're going to mess up your hair. There should've been a top strap accessory. It would've been awkward to give a reason why ofc. Also, it sucks that these devices have to look cool for mass market adoption. Having the front glass replaced with a mesh panel with quiet fans blowing air out seems like the best way for heat management. The problem is we gotta have this Ready Player One vibe at the expense of function. Hopefully the Quest 3 on the 4nm TSMC node brings significantly better performance.
After close to two months of daily use as a complete monitor replacement for about 12 hours a day i absolutely love this thing! I use it for work, watching videos and movies, playing games, flat-screen and VR and it's just been amazing all around. My biggest complaints would be that meta are working on the software a lot and breaking stuff in the process wich is annoying but get's resolved fast usually and the power consumption of this thing is making my power pack that lasted 4 hours with the Q2 last only 1 extra hour on top of the 2 hour on internal battery and it's not enough for me to be perfectly happy. Face and eye tracking are pulling even more power when they are turned on.
The monitor replacement needs articulated headset that maintains focus and lens positioning with the eye tracking… I’d also say shift as much hardware OFF the headset as possible and have a companion belt/lanyard/clip… keep the headset super super light, as a pair of glasses is essentially the goal here. This might allow more powerful hardware, which leads to the next big ticket item: resolution. We know the screens are not the bottleneck but the silicon, that’s fine. The last thing I’d say it needs to be pragmatic in what it’s competition is: opening a laptop. It takes a few seconds to open my laptop and start typing in a browser… my quest pro requires probably waking up (if it’s charged) maybe redrawing the guardian, and if it’s a software update or login that’s required then we are talking minutes for something that should take seconds. There is some great stuff however… Gravity sketch has become our go-to collaborative tool for designing games… so much easier to literally sketch things out, especially as our team is scattered around the world, but theres something about special memory etc that gravity sketch collabs really gets right
What do you think other companies can take advantage of seeing Meta goof? Excluding SteamVR making most of it sales from Quest users, because Meta ignores its PC store.
I'm using full-sized planar headphones with the Quest Pro, so I can definitely see your complaint about the speakers. Running them on 100% volumes you're really thinning out the soup. However, I think they sound very good at medium to low volume. That's where the bass frequencues get through, very well. And listening to voices on this, watching videos with a lot of commenting they truly start to shine. I could see myself taking discord calls (or phone calls in general for the business-ish use case) very comfortably.
Sometimes life seems so distant and it's like the real world is just another simulation on someones computer and doesn't make sense. Does it have to. What is this all about. And then I come to this channel, and realize that's Brad! And everything makes sense again.
No surprises here, and let me say i love the fact that you gave it a good test, before reviewing it. An honest opinion is what we are looking for! Keep it up!
It seemed a bit shallow opinion on Immersed app. Working as a Software Dev in Immersed full day for a couple of weeks in Quest Pro. Feels pretty great, especially with huge ultra wide display setup. Immersed app requires some time to set everything properly for great experience, but when it is done, you’re gold.
In order to release eye strain you need to put your virtual monitor 3 meters away from your eyes. I worked that way in Quest 2 for 6 hours without a break doing programming with no issues at all. Though resolution is quite not enough obviously for any text related job comfortably.
I feel the Quest Pro brought a lot of new things to this space - MR, eye tracking, face tracking, better controllers, way better display just to name a few. It is a massive step up from Quest 2! I feel your opinion is too negative. It will be a while before the developers catch up to the platform as evident by the quest 2 journey. A year from now your perspective on this device might change drastically. But yes one thing I agree with is that its an unfinished product now. I feel more optimistic about Quest 3 now however !
I think really it's the uncomfortable design and the fact that it doesn't fulfill what it's sold to be - ie a pro headset for business/work/monitor replacement, at a very premium price. In terms of upgrades from a Quest 2, it's clearly in most ways a direct upgrade adding some brand new features. But just not worth the price and poorly designed with too many drawbacks for its intended use case. I think that's his perspective and its definitely fair.
Design is subjective. I found it to be very comfortable. A significant improvement over Quest 2 which is very front heavy. I use it 2+ hours everyday. Horizon workrooms is a gateway into future it’s amazing. I just wish they streamline the flow for getting into meetings ! Horizon world on the other hand is bad !
@@RRxyz I have the quest pro but gotta say, it gives me major headaches after an hour or two of using it, the design is not good for what they were going for, can't even customize it to make it more comfortable. It does have some really cool stuff but the headset design itself is just bad in my opinion. The controllers however exceeded my expectations, they are and will be the best around for quite a long time.
Comfort wise... you should not need a topstrap. I used to have the comfort issue you have, but problem was it was too tight. The weight is not supposed to be on your forehead. Make sure its less tight and have the weight spread out over both pads as much as possible. That way I went from it being painful within the 20-30 minutes to being able to use it for several hours without discomfort. Same as with my Quest 2 with the Elite Battery Strap, at first it was very uncomfortable until I figured out how to adjust it correctly.
I like playing with no side light blockers in room scale casual games because it allows a lot of ventilation for my eyes. The side blockers also put pressure on the sides of my glasses frame which is a little uncomfortable. I’m getting prescription lenses from vr optician though. I’m waiting on those to arrive thru international mail.
I was looking forward to this review and I appreciate so much you did not rush to upload a review and took the time to give us a genuine review of how it feels like to use it for a month. Keep up the great work!
I'm a gamer who had a Rift S for 2 years. Through most of that time, it sat gathering dust on my desk, as it was too uncomfortable to wear and the visuals were terrible. On top of my abandoned Rift S, the $1,500 release of the Meta Quest Pro was the last straw that made me not rely on Meta for VR anymore. This year I sold my Rift S and bought a Pico 4. It was one of the best choices I made in my life. For under $500 I got a headset that makes 8K VR videos feel like reality, and not looking through foggy binoculars anymore. I enter and leave VR on my Pico 4 like I turn on and off my desktop PC. Seamlessly. And VR became a new and very important source of entertainment and productivity in my life. If you are watching this video and wondering if you should buy a Pico 4, I say do it. It changed my life. For less than 1/3 of what this Meta Quest Pro costs.
It should have only been marketed as a dev kit only, for future tech/software. A tool for related parties to build software and experiences for that next gen device, that would have the much need updated sensors/processor and a mass market ready price.
Bradley, have you heard anything in the grapevine about jailbreaking the Quest pro controllers to be used with other headsets? Speaking for myself, if I could just buy them and use them with my HP Reverb G2, I would do that in a heartbeat.
Got my pro about a week and a few days ago and all the updates have made it worth what I paid I got mine for 700 and totally worth it. I have the original quest tried the 2 and the upgrade was great but the lenses in the two kills my brain. The pro doesn’t hurt my eyes at all. I honestly think this is a device you have to try before deciding. Definitely would like an updated review.
One of my big gribes with the Quest Pro is the fact that they have eye-tracking and even added eye-tracking to Link... but then decided to make Meta specific OpenXR extensions. Which means they do NOT support the OpenXR standards, which is possible even in standalone. I think it might actually be because they still fear competition. But practically it just means the Quest Pro has less features because already more than 15 games support dynamic foveated rendering, but they rely on OpenXR standards for eye-tracking... obviously. But Meta seems to hope to keep apps and games Meta specific by making Meta specific OpenXR extensions.
I want a comfortable headset, with diopters and eye tracking. A passthrough mode would be appreciated. And I don’t have the space for basestations. I hate headsets that cannot keep playing for hours when plugged into a pc. I have no problems with cables. I think the vive xr elite is going in the right direction.
Hi Brad, does the Pro controller have any issues when it's used for PCVR gaming? Have you noticed any differences when using it on the Quest 2 versus the Pro headset?
Honestly it doesn't have any issues using it with PC VR. I have not tried using them with Quest 2 yet. But early reports say it works same as with Quest Pro
@@SadlyItsBradley That sounds great. My main concern now is rather or not it'll be compatible for the Quest 3. I guess it won't hurt to wait to find out.
The eye-squint is super common with the face tracking. Just in general, the headset often has people squint. Hopefully one of those things that will get ironed out in updates/future headsets. I'm just glad the tech is getting pushed in general.
"I forced myself every day for month ... to use this thing as a monitor replacement"
We appreciate your sacrifice.
Haha
This is really contrary to many of the other reviews and comments regarding the QPro I have seen. Many people say it's incredibly clear and they are able to work in VR for hours on end.
The main reason I am considering a QPro is for desk / monitor replacement work purposes.
I really don't know what to think now because I hold Bradley's opinion pretty highly.
@Gamergeekenator No, I haven't.
I was just using my Quest 2 yesterday with Virtual Desktop in one of their included 'gamer room' environments though and it felt like the virtual monitor they have set up in that environment was perfectly sized and spaced from my viewpoint. I could read everything I was doing very clearly, even with the Quest 2. If it's "almost there" with the Quest 2, surely it must be ok with the QPro?
I'm gonna go to my local Best Buy to see if they have a station set up with the Quest Pro. Multiple people online have said Best Buy has a demo station set up, though I've never heard of that or seen it locally, so I'm not sure.
@@angrygreek1985 try and you can always return right?
@@Zeieraoh Can't return it here, Best Buy doesn't allow it and I didn't want to buy from Meta.
I just want valve index 2 that doesn't break and a 4080 laptop that doesn't overheat and cost two livers
thats a big ask brother 😂😂😂😂
Best we can do is one liver and month of scheduled blood transfusions
Same I want to upgrade. Give me an index 2 that’s wireless and I’ll give them my money. But please announce it before the quest 3 cuz I can’t wait forever.
If Valve makes a MiniPC add-on to their headsets, it might highly likely be powered by an AMD mobile GPU!
That would be pretty neat if they can get their efficiency per watt way up!
Then don't get a laptop ,😂
The colors make a bigger impact on immersion than most people think. I didn't notice it until I went from Q2 back to Q1 and that made me really miss OLED displays.
Same here. People who have never tried OLED in VR will not understand.
Same, I don't miss the Q1's screendoor though. I revisited Rez Infinate recently for the first time since I played it on PSVR and it looked like shtako. I couldn't figure out why for a while, afterall I'm playing it on a higher res headset with a powerful PC so It at the very least should look just as good as the PS4 version if not better... then I remembered that the Q2 uses LCD not OLED, for this reason I havn't bothered with Tetris Effect either since it shares the same visual style
@@Clara_Page Just to be clear - Screendoor isnt a OLED issue for say - you can have that with any panel that has a wide pitch per pixel. CV1 didnt use full RGB either - it used half sub pixel design. Meaning it had 1/3 less subpixels that a full RGB OLED could've had. All to say how awesome OLED was even back then.
I for one do NOT miss the OLEDs... I'll take density over contrast any day, sorry, I don't feel like simulating the experience of standing 5 inches from a screen door. I have a Q2, Q1, Index and VIVE Pro and the Index displays are by far the best, and going to any other type is just plain jarringly low res and underwhelming.
By colors do you mean contrast?
I'm not a top beat saber player or anything, but I play do play on Expert+ and these controllers made a significant difference.
Especially one specific part of a specific song where you need to cross your wrists while swinging really fast. Since there is so much exclusion going on no other controllers were able to track that accurately, but the pro controllers did it flawlessly. I beat my PR the first time using them.
I appreciate this comment a lot. Thanks
I would get them but the lack of the ring which I utilise in my gripping style would mean having to hold it in the default style which I find hurts my wrist more and is uncomfortable.
@@Ballissle Are you aware that holding the controllers that way (with fingers over the rings) affects your tracking quality? The way the headset tracks the controllers is by seeing the LEDs that are spread along the ring. If you are putting fingers over the rings you are blocking some of those LEDS and making your tracking quality worse. You should consider getting straps (grips) instead of holding the controllers in ways they are not meant to be held.
@@mranon123 I never said I hold over the rings. Yes I know that lol.
I hold in quest claw grip style. The ring isn't necessary for it but it helps support my hand position and avoid sliding by gripping the edge between my fingers. While my two middle fingers reach over the top, palm over the button pad area, and thumb around the side able to click the trigger button.
Also the cameras would be where I currently have my thumb
@@Ballissle Clear. Some custom grips allow you to not have to grip at all and can make controllers just kind of "glued" to your hands, maybe that could work for you? Though probably need to wait for some custom grip solutions because, as you mention, they have to be designed with Qpro controller cameras in mind.
Thanks tremendously for this review Brad! You answered some of the main questions I haven't seen addressed in other Quest Pro reviews like the quality of eye tracking in PC VR and the battery life when connected through PC along with brief mentions of accessory mods. For the features I'd definitely consider this at somewhere like a $800-$1000 price, but I think I'll stick around with the Quest 2 a bit longer and probably get the Pro controllers at some point in the future. With all the comfort and accessory mods I've made with the Quest 2 I see no need to invest in a $1500 headset when a Quest 3 and potentially the Valve headset are on the horizon.
I think $800 valuation is lowballing it a tad. The controllers cost $300 and that that’ll make the headset cost $500, the same price as a quest 2. Something definitely doesn’t add up.
How do u feel now that Quest Pro is 1k?
@@jonislow A little conflicted to be honest. I just got FBT working on the Quest 2 with HaritoraX and realized how bad the controller tracking is in VRChat which make me really consider getting Quest Pro controllers. With the added features of face and eye-tracking the current price of the Quest Pro is really tempting, but the conflicting issue is that the Quest 3 is right around the corner. I know we wont get face and eye tracking with the Quest 3, but if they end up using the same pancake lenses *and work at 120Hz* then I'm willing to wait. It's all a matter of time at this point.
@OminousD I hear ya! I've been debating that myself. I'll prob wait on the 3, it's not that far off. Thanks for answering! We have it good when these are the things we're worrying about.
I still really wish they had blended the controllers and hand tracking to work together, and added a strap. It wouldn't have to be resource-intensive tracking your whole field of view for your hands, the controllers could tell the headset where to look for a smaller tracking box, giving finer finger tracking range & subtlety than 'I can feel you touching the trigger button' being sent from the controllers
Edit: It bugs me seeing my ghost hands overlaid across my real hands in Passthrough home environment, my real fingers right there, but the ghost hands only reacting to direct touches to buttons instead of following my digits.
I think of that all the time and i don't understand why nobody talk about this. I think it's the cheapest solution for finger tracking with the quality of controller tracking , maybe im unaware of technical difficulties for the software but i really hope they add this one day
You would still drain the battery life of the headset doing that - sure you will have your hands always there - but stuff like that isnt free and its a major resource hog in doing so for a already limited SOC / battery design.
They kind of did introduce a form of hand tracking on the controllers. You can curl and flex your index finger and it will sense your finger’s position.
This would be really cool, but it would unfortunately stop working in many scenarios
definitely better than having no finger-tracking though, but I don't think meta would spend the time to implement something like this
@@badmoose01 Only up to about the point your finger is touching the sensors in the buttons, once they're about 1mm away, they stop picking up your finger position
Quick note regarding the eye-tracking: For some bizarre reason, if you look down in any way, the meta avatars will bring the upper eyelid down with your view. I have absolutely no idea why this is the case as my various experiments with it seem to indicate it's perfectly capable of tracking your actual eyelids and usually does, but in some weird fit of madness they've added this unwanted override behavior for the upper lids. Even if you have your eyes open as wide as possible, the minute your irises starting going even close to below center you'll see the lid come with it.
Absolutely baffling and I really hope they take this 'feature' out.
The primary purpose of the eye tracking is to collect data on ad engagement and build a better profile on you. Anything else is secondary.
I wonder if they have fixed that yet?
Conspiracy theories aside, I thought your eyelids naturally lower a bit when you look down
Good review. But I must say as an Quest Pro owner (being an avid VR user since Oculus DK2 in 2017 and owning 9 headsets until now) that all this is true… but it is a TECHNICAL review.
I mean, Quest Pro is a really weird device because of its own conception. It seems Meta itself doesn't have very clear how to sell this thing. It it really a Quest 2 Pro. A high end Quest 2 with some experimental features. And that's great… but the hardware is expensive so they can't sell it that way, hence the "productivity" part. So most reviewers, obviously, analyze that and they conclude it is not a monitor replacement. And that's true. It is not, but it is also true that you CAN use it for that if you need to. I use it for software development with my Macs when I don't have access to my 49" ultrawide monitor and, of course, it is not comparable, but using 3 big virtual displays it is undeniable better than programming with a single tiny 13" Macbook pro display.
So yeah, all the technical mumbo jumbo is true, BUT…
if you ignore the price (and that's a lot to ignore), and compares with other devices... it is just GREAT. The resolution is the same as Quest 2, sure, but since there are two separate displays and real IPD adjustments, there are more perceived resolution in your FOV and that is very noticiable for me, so I see more resolution than Quest 2. The color, contrast and clarity of the lens are amazing. Text looks crisp and readable even at small size (I don't agree with that part of the review). It is the most comfortable headset I've used… but ONLY if you add some headband to balance the weight, otherwise I agree is quite uncomfortable. Controllers are great, passthrough is quite better than Quest 2 and they have improved a lot in the last v47 update, PC streaming is just perfect, way better than Quest 2, and at the end of the day, you still have a Quest, so you have access to the Meta store and ecosystem… what can I say?, it is the most enjoyable headset I've had and the best buy I've done in a long time.
Can I recommend it to everyone? With this price… absolutely not. But I really think it's the best headset you can buy.
P.S. My first impressions were quite bad too, but I changed my mind as I used it. I've seen the same behavior in many UA-cam reviewers. Bad reviews at first… to end using it as main device and enjoying it a lot. Still, that price makes it hard to recommend unless for VR enthusiasts.
I also own it and don't find many of his complaints to reflect my experience -- even if not fully wrong. The price drop ($500 off permanently!) should make this a very promising headset for the enthusiast crowd.
I've been in VR since DK1 and this is my favorite headset so far.
Brad made this his daily driver for a whole month. He had an index right there but he consciously said “no”.We salute you, you absolute madman.
I feel the quest 3 is going to much better than this, but for much less money
That's kinda the silver lining in a lot of ways
This was an outstanding video Brad, your ability to articulate so much in a kind of almost unbroken stream of consciousness without any script or notes is truly Carmack like. I've had this headset since launch and absolutely love it but have to say your analysis is spot on.
Whilst there are lots of UA-cam influencers out there, as well as VR and other tech media sites reviewing the Pro, you covered it to a level of depth and technical expertise that goes well beyond everybody else.
Seriously some of these companies should hire you for some consultancy work!
BTW, what are you going to do with your Reverb G2?
Thanks a ton. I’m beyond relieved to read all this haha. I’m gonna keep the G2. I probably won’t use it much, but I feel It might be a shelf relic soon.
I noticed a strange subpixel pattern and more obvious SDE on some of the through the lens footage, first person I've seen who knew about the rotated displays, this may be the cause of it. I thought it was just from the new QLED
@@SadlyItsBradley About the G2 - as a longtime WMR user i'm very curious if you've given the platform a more serious look because it's something almost everyone ignores and heads straight for SteamVR. For a product that came out around the same time as the original Vive it features some concepts that are closer to the "monitor replacement" the Quest Pro tries to sell itself as. All the native Windows 2D applications are accessible not just in the Cliffhouse home but in-game too, and regular mouse input works surprisingly well with the way the pointer is projected from your view in 3D, something SteamVR still lacks. Microsoft had worked with Logitech on a special WMR-enabled keyboard with tracking LEDs on it that would've allowed you to have passthrough hands overlayed ontop of a virtual 1:1 tracked copy of the physical keyboard as you type on it. In typical Microsoft fashion WMR was abandoned before realizing it's true potential as a VR productivity tool and was simply ignored in favor of their dead-end hololens project.
@@SadlyItsBradley that seems oddly uncharacteristic of you because you went out of your way to save $300 on the quest pro buying used but will keep around a $600 useless headset for no reason.
@@badmoose01 I bought the G2 for 300 on a flash sale. I never bought the device until it got that cheap
I am using the quest pro as a PC VR headset with the original link cable and the battery drains like 1 percent per 2 hours. Need to say that the default link settings are kind of crap and you need to change quit much manually via the diagnostics tool
This got funnier the longer I watched, thanks for the information and brutal testing period Bradley.
I've noticed that almost everyone who does reviews whether it's on Amazon or UA-cam, the people have only owned it for maybe two days, maybe a week and haven't really put it through the ringer to test it's durability, true usefullness, etc. I appreciate the dedication, awesome video.
It is everyone's favorite sport (beating up on Meta). While I do understand a great deal of what you're saying, out of my 9 VR headsets, the Quest Pro is my go to for both stand alone and PCVR.
Great review - confirmed all my suspicions - -I feel VR should always be dedicated to gaming and should be separate from AR - - VR Gaming seems to be on the back pedal and all the recent releases and announcements show the lack in interest in games as we still aren't getting AAA content - hoping PSVR2 can save VR from itself..
Thank you for this brad. I always find your opinions very helpful and informative. Keep doing what you are doing. I appreciate it
Thanks, will do!
@@SadlyItsBradley plz make some new leaks of quest 3 we are eagerly waiting for quest 3 pretty plz
I'm praying the deckard is well received. I will definitely ditch meta for anything outside of development to get that.
I got one because cheap trade in of oculus. I’m liking it… compared to the 2. Only use it for pcvr but have been playing on airlink with little to no issues, which really surprised me. A bit heavy and uncomfortable. I’m embarrassed to say that I actually like the workspace functions. I use the Immerse program and run all my stat apps in multiple monitors. A big bummer with that is the limited amount of keyboards for the integrated system. Leaps and bounds better than my quest two but can’t really compare to anything else.
At the new $999.99 price it has made the Quest Pro far more worth it IMO. Software updates in the future should unlock all of the unique features for wired/wireless PCVR.
Biggest life hack: Unclip and flip the back head pad upside down. It makes it so much more comfortable it’s insane…
someone on UA-cam that is honest and doesn't just say everything is great so they get free product or money from the company . thank you for that we need more of that
Channels like this are the rare gems that feel like going to the old internet when the biggest content creators were independent and not sponsored by corporations (or at least having close, friendly "relations").
All the early reviews said this headset was comfortable because they are all grifters.
Thanks for the review. Cemented my views about the headset and fully convinced me to upgrade to Pro Controllers (I was already somewhat convinced). I really hope those things are as great as people describe them. I really, really don't want to install base stations on my walls while at the same time would love to be able to have higher swing range and do some shenenigans with the controllers. The fact that they seem to track even better is a cherry on top. Can't wait to get those and use them with Q2. I was beginning to think that Qpro and Pico 4 releases brought more fake hype than actual improvement but those controllers just seem to actually be that big upgrade in VR experience. I would be shocked if those werent supported by Q3 as well, so it's also a great investment, despite them being "a little" pricy.
Late edit, I forgot to ask... (Brad): Can you say a bit more how the controllers work with Q2. Does the tracking have same quality as QPro?
This guy doesn't reply to any comments. What makes you think he is going to answer your question? It always cracks me up when people do this. Talk about naive.
@@roadcyclist1 He replied to my last question in a different video. So, no, I am not being naive. You are just being overly pesimistic - he literally answered multiple questions in comments under this video. I don't expect him to answer to every comment, especially since the question was added later with edit. Part of the reason I write the comment is that someone else might give feedback as well (someone with pro controllers).
Great review! and agree with all of the points you made. I use mine exclusively for pc vr and find comfort to be a big issue. If you tighten the strap to keep the headset stable, it's too easy to overtighten and it feels like your head is in a vice that you really don't notice until the headache kicks in. Another let down is the d-link/air-link thingy and wi-fi, it's almost impossible to get it to work and the stand alone rendering/processing sucks. Screen door effect is just as noticeable as the index, maybe amplified because of the better lenses?
This should have been the quest 3 pro and the high-end business version should have had some more time in the oven.
Valve where are you????
Yeah... I bought the Quest Pro controllers for my Quest 2 and am quite happy with them
This is the video I was waiting for. Yeah, the AR is just a first stab, clearly they need to develop it more, so they have to get it out into the wild to find out what their problems are so far. Looks like they won't have face or eye tracking in the Q3, so they will likely lean even more into the AR if that's still in the cards.
Pass through works well enough for me, the AR stuff is an all right novelty.
But for me the thing that makes it worth while is the optics. Everything I loved about the Quest 2, in crystal clear, wide angled clarity.
They should have included a top strap, once I added one side to side off the side straps, all the front pain on my forehead went away.
The multi-monitor thing isn't intended to replace actual monitors, but to augment someone's laptop with better monitors. It's certainly better than a small 1080p laptop screen.
How long do you think the Quest 2 will be viable? I stopped using the DK2 about 3 years ago, mostly because my brother gave it to me ages ago. Worked OK for VR with keyboard like VRchat and DCS, but it has been unsupported for ages but still works in Oculus app. Got my Quest 2 this summer and I hope I can keep it for a good few years as well.
I think Quest 2 will be supported for a year or two after Quest 3 releases next year tbh
I bought Quest Pro for PCVR. On stock render settings, I agree with your analysis regarding aliasing.
Now I have a 4090, and cranking the render res up to 1.7x, ODT 3616 render width, Fixed 500Mbps bit rate. The clarity is insane.
I have a video through the lenses on my channel.
This is the only Quest Pro review I've seen so far which is real.
You help to ruin VR, especially PC VR. Complain more, to turn more people off VR to flat displays.
I’m glad you addressed the comfort issue
For me it’s just god awful. Even Quest 2 with the default strap felt better, let alone with custom accessories. With Quest Pro I still have red stains on my forehead 30 minutes after the session, and it really hurts. I heard some people say Quest Pro may not be a comfort king, but I didn’t expect the comfort to be that bad
I totally agree. Was my first WTF moment when I tried. Luckily, I was balanced with the OMG moment when I tried it with the studioform deluxe strap that I was using on my Quest 2 some days later. Definitely, Quest Pro should have been released with a top strap.
this feels a lot like they were scrambling to get any kind of premium headset out before apple released theirs
Seems like a beta test product. Glad to get a quest 2 for 299. Set for VR for years until it advances and gets great
Ya. Quest 2 was kinda detrimental to this product's existence due to how good/cheap it was.
thats been oculus's strat
release a beta product then once you iron out the kinks make a new product that does everything that one was meant to do but better
rift CV1 -> rift S (tho tracking here was a downgrade)
quest 1 -> quest 2
quest pro -> maybe quest 3, more likely a quest pro 2/quest 3 pro
@@flamingscar5263 Rift S was a downgrade over the original CV1 imo, the tracking was worse, no headphones, and only 72hz. Only improvement was a higher resolution but nothing game-changing
@@Game_Crunch Rift S is 80hz
Appreciate the thoroughness and honesty.
Thoughts now that we have local dimming for PCVR and a price reduction?
that's interesting what you say about the rotated displays causing strange antialiasing, I noticed on some of the through the lens close up footage the subpixel pattern looked strange and the SDE looked more obvious, this must be why. I thought it may be due to the different QLED displays. In some through the lens the SDE looked really bad and distracting
I'm on such an edge right now. I got brand new Quest Pro for $1000, right after price drop. Still have a week to return, and I'm tempted. As we getting closer to Quest 3 especially.
I don't mind comfort issues, but battery life, plus no real light blocking plate, especially with glasses just makes me sad, any time in a game I look around and want too look up I see my room pretty much and kicked out of immersion in a split second. Can't seem to find a good cable that would work great, right length, and charge or prolong charge of the set while wired. And yet I just feel like I don't want to give up those controllers that no other set has. Then also giving up playing in a dark room, when my family might be sleeping and I can't just move my whole gaming PC setup anywhere else =)
Still trying to justify keep or return and I'm lost still lol =))
8:45 "This would be ideal for lotion based experiences".
Totally disagree. It's a banger for pros, AND gamers
Removal of the depth sensor was a mistake if they were aiming it at MR.
Without adding my own top-strap, I wasn't able to use my Quest Pro for more than a few minutes without it leaving a huge red mark on forehead. If I was using this purely as a personal device and not as a dev device, I would definitely have sent it straight back. That being said, while I'd agree that the resolution is still too low for text-heavy work, the overall visual clarity is head and shoulders above what's come before, so if a similar optical stack is in the Quest 3, I think people will be pretty happy about that upgrade.
Great video. it's everything i suspected it was, but it's good to have it confirmed by you by actually using the thing. This Gen 1 device is just not ready for what it aims to be.
Can't wait for your honest take on the Pico 4. I went with that one, and with the current available options in the market, I'm quite happy with what it offers.
When I first tried VR at home with a Quest 2 last year I was hugely disappointed by the low resolution of the so called "4K" display. It looks worse than 1080p on a 27" monitor and I'm used to 4K. It's not a big issue for Gaming because good (PC)VR games are such a great experience but I can't imagine using it as a monitor replacement. Pimax Crystal has 35/42 PPD on 2x 2880x2880 displays. If the Deckard really has 2x 4Kx4K OLEDs VR could finally come close to 60 PPD.
Swapping out the forehead cushion as well as getting a top strap makes a HUGE difference for comfort and being able to wear it for long periods of time.
I hope those controllers don't end up with drift issues like the Quest 2 ones do, that's been a huge pain for me.
Forget those stupid Meta avatars! Embrace the Taidum in VRChat! ;D
Also, thank you for the comprehensive review of the Quest Pro. Hoping the Quest 3 is a worthy upgrade over the Quest 2. Wish the Quest 3 would include eye tracking though.
Selling point for me is flat gaming normal PC games. Could you output SBS 3D for playing games or movies? Thousands of 3D fixed PC games including modern games available
Lawd! But I might spend a whole hour watching this.
The depth sensor isn't existent, is it? Nope. That was the pro mixed reality feature. Do we have a part number for the module that was supposed to go into it, some way to identify it ourselves? Weren't they working with Microsoft to utilize real sense technology?
Based on the videos I've seen, the color passthrough doesn't look much better than the 960p the current Foxus camera delivers and without that depth sensor I don't think there's any way you can get a solid mixed reality experience from this.
Using software workarounds to provide the mixed reality experience is a bad bad idea.
I've been looking for synchronous dual lens cameras to plug into the Quest 2. The highest resolution I've been able to dig up is 1080p 30fps at best. The alternative is to purchase two individual single lens modules and build a board that synchronizes them and delivers via USB 3.
I've been experimenting heavily with the use of 2D Android applications in the passthrough environment. Since v44, I've experienced the passthrough view becoming a frame-dropping, barf-worthy hellscape. It still happens on my headsets after the v47 update, although 2D applications seem to run a little more stably. It all worked a lot better before v44 though.
I've also been experimenting with connecting peripherals, like cameras, to the Quest 2. Color, high resolution passthrough is possible for the Quest 2, but it would have to be an app unto itself. As a compromise, a web browser and app launcher could probably be built into the camera app.
I also foresee a potential here to build devices that could provide a completely different VR operating system and environment right through the USB-C port. Imagine mounting a couple of cameras to the front of a headset and a strap with an Android or Pi device built-in which delivers a completely different VR/AR/MR/XR experience using your original headset as a screen and set of controllers. Actually, the add-on could even have its own controllers and probably provide a better experience.
Why would Meta choose to use a lower quality display on their Pro than it's predecessors?
I've rambled. Have a great morning! Lol
The Quest 2 is also incapable of displayport output, but it can handle wired video input just fine. The Quest 2 also at least has its one port on a side.
It's kind of neat going into a brightly lit scene in Alyx and keeping your head stationary while standing still, without any sideblockers, etc. You can trick yourself to believe you are in that world with natural eye FOV.
Any updates for The Oculus Quest 3? 😃
Everything in this review was very well explained. The only thing in this video that I was like oh man that sucks was when you told me someone got motion sick. But like you said when you don’t have the full blockers, it makes it even worse.
For me, was just the opposite. I had a lot of eyestrain with Q2 but these lens and IPD adjustments makes me forget I'm wearing a headset. Also, to my own surprise, I ended using it without side blockers. It is surprisingly great using that way. For a more immerse experience, side blockers make its job perfectly as long as you wear the headset as sunglasses, resting on your nose (which you should do, anyway because of comfort and FOV gain)
@@richie_01 first person out of like 30 reviews I have watched saying eye blockers are fine. What was your previous HMD?
@@ButtorsGaming Well, Quest Pro is indeed my 9th headset. My previous one was Quest 2 but, please, understand me, I'm not saying that side blockers are good at block light. They aren't. I mean I was surprised to realize that I don't NEED to block the light most of the time.Yes, there are experiences where you want total light blocking for full immersion but I mostly enjoy more having the "full open" setup for using this headset. And I think side blockers, although not ideal, does the job FOR ME when I need more blocking.
watching this video on my quest pro right now
I dont regret buying it. for all the problems you listed, it's still the best headset I have ever used, and I have used dozens.
I bought a quest pro yesterday and am disappointed to find that the screen is very washed out and dull looking in games. I have the brightness all the way up and playing games like propagation a dark title, it is very hard to see even with a flashlight and brighter menus. Is this due to local dimming not being on? I’ve tried with some other games the same brown haze effect is on the edges of the pancake lenses screen. It is very distracting and if I can’t find a solution then I’ll have to return it.
I would pay money to sit in a room with Zuck and heads of the VR departments while they watch this.
I can't help but to notice, that after how long, 3 years?, Index is still a king in many areas. I only wish Linux was supported better.
now $999.99 so getting it open box or used should be cheaper. This review is more relevant today. Seems like they updated it and its getting better.
Best, most detailed review I have seen of this headset by far.
I don't know if you've had a chance to use the Magic Leap 2 yet but I will say that it's the first headset to really be able to do proper AR. It blows the HoloLens and the first Magic Leap out of the water with the new tech they added to make the images actually look opaque. Plus the field of view has been expanded enough to be much more usable. The form factor is much smaller and the device is much lighter this time around though they do have the compute separate from the headset unlike the Quest Pro. Its obviously not a consumer device at like $3.3k but its definitely a lot further ahead than I was expecting.
If you watch Zuck walking around the office on the showcase thing not one person in the Meta office is using it. What does that tell you.
"It's basically the Quest 2 Pro"
Yes... that was literally the marketing.
Thank you for these details, definitely not buying. A depth sensor is important and that is a shit compromise
Honestly wish we weren’t moving towards stand-alone, I love the valve index so much, and I’m not really excited to hear about the next valve headset due to it having standalone features, I’d prefer a much better pc headset with better features like oled, better controllers or hand tracking, and facial tracking
I have strong feelings about this as well. But I do see ways a built-in SoC can improve PC VR focused HMDs
100% agree. Let's hope the standalone aspect of Deckard doesn't detract from the quality.
Lotion based experiences - mmmmmm
12:56 Yes, Horizon workrooms on windows does not support virtual monitors. BUT I found if I plug 3 dummy-display port connectors to my pc They'll show up in horizon workrooms. So workrooms will show all your connected monitors atleast(limited to 3). I have actually tried to work a couple hours in VR with my quest 2. Turns out running after effects and Blender and other demanding apps is too low fidelity, and LATENCY is what is worst. I can work basic photshop and graphic design. But whenever I animate it's not "fast enough" for me.
It should be way better than Quest 2 for that price! This is a Scam to get that Corporate Money!
It would be great if you could test it again now. After all the updates, a lot has happened.
The reason it doesn't have a top strap is because if it's used in the workplace, you're going to mess up your hair. There should've been a top strap accessory. It would've been awkward to give a reason why ofc.
Also, it sucks that these devices have to look cool for mass market adoption. Having the front glass replaced with a mesh panel with quiet fans blowing air out seems like the best way for heat management.
The problem is we gotta have this Ready Player One vibe at the expense of function. Hopefully the Quest 3 on the 4nm TSMC node brings significantly better performance.
I'm picking one up brand new for $750. I'm very interested to see how it compares to the quest 2.
After close to two months of daily use as a complete monitor replacement for about 12 hours a day i absolutely love this thing! I use it for work, watching videos and movies, playing games, flat-screen and VR and it's just been amazing all around.
My biggest complaints would be that meta are working on the software a lot and breaking stuff in the process wich is annoying but get's resolved fast usually and the power consumption of this thing is making my power pack that lasted 4 hours with the Q2 last only 1 extra hour on top of the 2 hour on internal battery and it's not enough for me to be perfectly happy. Face and eye tracking are pulling even more power when they are turned on.
I'm just gonna say it, when Bradley pointed out that the face tracking algorithm thinks he's squinting all the time, I kind of can't unsee it now.
The monitor replacement needs articulated headset that maintains focus and lens positioning with the eye tracking…
I’d also say shift as much hardware OFF the headset as possible and have a companion belt/lanyard/clip… keep the headset super super light, as a pair of glasses is essentially the goal here. This might allow more powerful hardware, which leads to the next big ticket item: resolution. We know the screens are not the bottleneck but the silicon, that’s fine.
The last thing I’d say it needs to be pragmatic in what it’s competition is: opening a laptop. It takes a few seconds to open my laptop and start typing in a browser… my quest pro requires probably waking up (if it’s charged) maybe redrawing the guardian, and if it’s a software update or login that’s required then we are talking minutes for something that should take seconds.
There is some great stuff however… Gravity sketch has become our go-to collaborative tool for designing games… so much easier to literally sketch things out, especially as our team is scattered around the world, but theres something about special memory etc that gravity sketch collabs really gets right
"LOTION BASED EXPERIENCE"
The true future of AR! XD
What do you think other companies can take advantage of seeing Meta goof?
Excluding SteamVR making most of it sales from Quest users, because Meta ignores its PC store.
I'm using full-sized planar headphones with the Quest Pro, so I can definitely see your complaint about the speakers. Running them on 100% volumes you're really thinning out the soup. However, I think they sound very good at medium to low volume. That's where the bass frequencues get through, very well. And listening to voices on this, watching videos with a lot of commenting they truly start to shine. I could see myself taking discord calls (or phone calls in general for the business-ish use case) very comfortably.
Sometimes life seems so distant and it's like the real world is just another simulation on someones computer and doesn't make sense. Does it have to. What is this all about.
And then I come to this channel, and realize that's Brad! And everything makes sense again.
No surprises here, and let me say i love the fact that you gave it a good test, before reviewing it. An honest opinion is what we are looking for! Keep it up!
It seemed a bit shallow opinion on Immersed app. Working as a Software Dev in Immersed full day for a couple of weeks in Quest Pro. Feels pretty great, especially with huge ultra wide display setup. Immersed app requires some time to set everything properly for great experience, but when it is done, you’re gold.
In order to release eye strain you need to put your virtual monitor 3 meters away from your eyes. I worked that way in Quest 2 for 6 hours without a break doing programming with no issues at all. Though resolution is quite not enough obviously for any text related job comfortably.
Brad, no offence but you are squinting. So I think the face tracking is accurate in that sense.
I feel the Quest Pro brought a lot of new things to this space - MR, eye tracking, face tracking, better controllers, way better display just to name a few. It is a massive step up from Quest 2! I feel your opinion is too negative. It will be a while before the developers catch up to the platform as evident by the quest 2 journey. A year from now your perspective on this device might change drastically. But yes one thing I agree with is that its an unfinished product now. I feel more optimistic about Quest 3 now however !
I think really it's the uncomfortable design and the fact that it doesn't fulfill what it's sold to be - ie a pro headset for business/work/monitor replacement, at a very premium price.
In terms of upgrades from a Quest 2, it's clearly in most ways a direct upgrade adding some brand new features. But just not worth the price and poorly designed with too many drawbacks for its intended use case.
I think that's his perspective and its definitely fair.
Design is subjective. I found it to be very comfortable. A significant improvement over Quest 2 which is very front heavy. I use it 2+ hours everyday. Horizon workrooms is a gateway into future it’s amazing. I just wish they streamline the flow for getting into meetings ! Horizon world on the other hand is bad !
@@RRxyz I have the quest pro but gotta say, it gives me major headaches after an hour or two of using it, the design is not good for what they were going for, can't even customize it to make it more comfortable. It does have some really cool stuff but the headset design itself is just bad in my opinion. The controllers however exceeded my expectations, they are and will be the best around for quite a long time.
pro is best VR headset for work..... using it for 3 month
Comfort wise... you should not need a topstrap. I used to have the comfort issue you have, but problem was it was too tight. The weight is not supposed to be on your forehead. Make sure its less tight and have the weight spread out over both pads as much as possible. That way I went from it being painful within the 20-30 minutes to being able to use it for several hours without discomfort. Same as with my Quest 2 with the Elite Battery Strap, at first it was very uncomfortable until I figured out how to adjust it correctly.
“Lotion-based experiences”? I’m ready!
I like playing with no side light blockers in room scale casual games because it allows a lot of ventilation for my eyes. The side blockers also put pressure on the sides of my glasses frame which is a little uncomfortable. I’m getting prescription lenses from vr optician though. I’m waiting on those to arrive thru international mail.
This is the most glasses friendly headset probably ever. The only other headset that could comfortably accommodate my glasses was the OG psvr.
Brad may need glasses
i wish every review was as in depth as this one
I was looking forward to this review and I appreciate so much you did not rush to upload a review and took the time to give us a genuine review of how it feels like to use it for a month. Keep up the great work!
I'm a gamer who had a Rift S for 2 years. Through most of that time, it sat gathering dust on my desk, as it was too uncomfortable to wear and the visuals were terrible. On top of my abandoned Rift S, the $1,500 release of the Meta Quest Pro was the last straw that made me not rely on Meta for VR anymore.
This year I sold my Rift S and bought a Pico 4. It was one of the best choices I made in my life. For under $500 I got a headset that makes 8K VR videos feel like reality, and not looking through foggy binoculars anymore. I enter and leave VR on my Pico 4 like I turn on and off my desktop PC. Seamlessly. And VR became a new and very important source of entertainment and productivity in my life.
If you are watching this video and wondering if you should buy a Pico 4, I say do it. It changed my life. For less than 1/3 of what this Meta Quest Pro costs.
I want to wait until Lynx R1 to say video passthrough is just not viable, at a consumer price point, lower than Varjo XR3.
It should have only been marketed as a dev kit only, for future tech/software. A tool for related parties to build software and experiences for that next gen device, that would have the much need updated sensors/processor and a mass market ready price.
Bradley, have you heard anything in the grapevine about jailbreaking the Quest pro controllers to be used with other headsets? Speaking for myself, if I could just buy them and use them with my HP Reverb G2, I would do that in a heartbeat.
100%. That would be a dream.
I think it would be quite hard tbh. It relies on syncing with the hmds SLAM. So that would have to be copied too
Got my pro about a week and a few days ago and all the updates have made it worth what I paid I got mine for 700 and totally worth it. I have the original quest tried the 2 and the upgrade was great but the lenses in the two kills my brain. The pro doesn’t hurt my eyes at all. I honestly think this is a device you have to try before deciding. Definitely would like an updated review.
"It's an early adopter trap" - SadlyItsBradley
Well said!!!
One of my big gribes with the Quest Pro is the fact that they have eye-tracking and even added eye-tracking to Link... but then decided to make Meta specific OpenXR extensions. Which means they do NOT support the OpenXR standards, which is possible even in standalone. I think it might actually be because they still fear competition. But practically it just means the Quest Pro has less features because already more than 15 games support dynamic foveated rendering, but they rely on OpenXR standards for eye-tracking... obviously.
But Meta seems to hope to keep apps and games Meta specific by making Meta specific OpenXR extensions.
I absolutely love this guy!! Always great content!
I want a comfortable headset, with diopters and eye tracking. A passthrough mode would be appreciated. And I don’t have the space for basestations. I hate headsets that cannot keep playing for hours when plugged into a pc. I have no problems with cables. I think the vive xr elite is going in the right direction.
lotion based experiences should be good LOL
If I was Meta I would market it only for Beat Saber 30 min sessions.. Call it BS Pro KEKW-30, and include the cat ears.
lol
That hair, omg. No local barber in your area?
Hi Brad, does the Pro controller have any issues when it's used for PCVR gaming? Have you noticed any differences when using it on the Quest 2 versus the Pro headset?
Honestly it doesn't have any issues using it with PC VR. I have not tried using them with Quest 2 yet. But early reports say it works same as with Quest Pro
@@SadlyItsBradley That sounds great. My main concern now is rather or not it'll be compatible for the Quest 3. I guess it won't hurt to wait to find out.
@@freestyler7117 I am very confident they will be supported on Quest 3
@@SadlyItsBradley Thank you so much for your replies :)
The quest 3 is an apology for the pro.
The eye-squint is super common with the face tracking. Just in general, the headset often has people squint. Hopefully one of those things that will get ironed out in updates/future headsets. I'm just glad the tech is getting pushed in general.