Still happy I didn't listen to the hate back then and decided to play the trilogy for myself. Ended up falling in love with all 3 games and platinumed each. Miss those days.
The issue might be the Crystal Tools Engine they used back then. Pretty much like Luminous it was hard to develop for, and doing a remaster might be quite the undertaking to just get the engine compatible with modern consoles and hardware. They might be floating the idea of a remake because they're considering rebuilding the games from scratch in Unreal Engine as it might actually be easier to do that than trying to fix Crystal Tools to some extent.
Too soon for remakes but the right time for remasters. No need to port an already good looking game in a whole new engine then having to pay licensing fees for using the engine. The Xbox versions are already boosted to 60fps(XIII-2 and LR).
@@lloganm1234 Yeah with pretty bad ports that need mods to make them work properly. They're going to run into similar issues trying to get them to run on current consoles as well. I can see them opting for doing a from scratch remaster in a new engine like they did with the Kingdom Hearts HD collections due to all of the issues the crystal tools has associated with it.
It probably be easier to port it over to Unreal rather than remaking it ala the Shin Megami Tensei III HD or much worse the GTA definitive trilogy or Sonic Colors Ultimate. It depends on how much time is given and how hard the original code is to work with. I doubt Square Enix is going to go all out with remaking models or environments.
@@costby1105 Yeah that's what I'm thinking they'll do too. Though I don't know how much of the crystal tool assets will be compatible. Hopefully they won't have to remake too much of them.
Ah yes 13, my beloved. I still cannot fathom why people feel so negatively about this game when imo it has a lot less flaws than some other FF's and that music, oh man that music. Plus its visuals still hold up well today despite it being about 10 years old now.
Its because people dont buy it thinking its a team management game. Not to mention the world is written well but the story is written badly. A strong argument is you shouldnt need to read extra lore from the databank in order to understand why characters are in their situation and why they believe traveling to their destination collectively makes sense.
I like FF13, especially the battle system. My issue with FF13 is that they don't utilize the battle system to the full potential through most of it... except for a few optional battles. I think misogyny was an issue with a lot of FF13 hate also. Given how sensitive a lot of male gamers are, I don't doubt that last part.
You know, I never got the "hallway" argument. There are a lot of beloved games were this is the case. Even FF X. Just straight from point A to B. I think people just like to hate stuff. And Lightning Returns had more freedom but "Time Management" so it was apparently awful, too. Like, bro. If any of you hasn't played these games yet, do it. Make your own opinions. IF! They finally REMASTER THEM! URGH!
I think the hallway argument comes from people having issues with so much of the game that things that are passable in other games just adds to the issues in this one. I personally don't mind the hallway in games when done right. But if the pacing and story are bad then everything feels bad.
This is an old argument. you can look almost anywhere and people will explain it in detail. in 13 you're just on a road with nothing available, compared to 10 where you make stops and learn about the world and it's people. 10 also has a them of the pilgrimage and going down the road, while 13 doesn't really have that excuse. LR time management is tacked on as it is never an issue outside of forcing you to not to be able to do a mission. It's more on how the systems and world building is done rather that it just existing.
@@zeosummers3984 Ok but 13's themes is that you are fugitives in that you are literally on the run from a government that detonated a nuke doing a lot of damage before you end up essentially turning into the devil from your mythology and get hunted down even harder. It would make no sense for NPCs to talk to you much if at all because they know who you are, you can't hide and nobody is on your side that much. That being said I do agree that most of the lore being in the datalog and not outright explained in the environment is a bit of an issue. Personally I would prefer small things like you find an old datapad left by an adventurer who came through there, maybe you complete a Ceith stone mission and you get more story on the person who it used to be, I feel small stuff like that could help people wrap their brains around the jargon and lore better than just telling them read the datalog. Also maybe expanding on the exploration of Cocoon a bit allowing you to backtrack and visit different zones would be like a nice touch if they did remake it.
@iggyig420 the story being "we're running forward"? Yeah, Snow HAD some motive and even Lightning had a goal but first 7 chapters moving this very slowly, like 1-2 flashbacks per chapter so you don't fully understand what's going on let alone how is this supposed to get interesting after they get their marks. I mean, yeah, sure, you can play and hope it'll become interesting but many people give up somewhere around chapter 2 and 3, when they still don't fully understand who are these characters, why were they in the city and who exactly are l'Cie. Especially since the first 2 chapters is just spamming auto-battle and only chapter 3 introduces paradigms which themselves aren't fully unlocked until like... Chapter 10? You definitely can't use Synergist with Lightning until you can finally customize your party. You might argue that Lightning is DPS, she shouldn't be a Synergist but if the game is all about auto-battle I might as well watch it on UA-cam. It would save me around 60 hours of my life since I've spent like 80 hours on the game. You spend like half the game running from a flashback to a flashback just to see more flashbacks later that would make characters go from "oh no, I'm scared/furious" to "well, now I'm determined to fight the government". The government itself isn't even that interesting until you met Bart, lol. The plot starts to get interesting sometime when Vanille mentions the war for the first time but it's Chapter 8 if I recall correctly. I've spent like 15 hours just to get to Chapter 7 which was kinda cool but still auto-battles. Oh, yeah, people also find Hope's revenge arc really silly and comical because it's so puberty-ish it gets edgy and almost satirical. Lightning's change of heart was also really out of nowhere and amused at least me with how emotional she gets just by thinking "oh no, we're just pets to gods". Meanwhile Snow is so optimistic he's really annoying and made people call him an r-word :( Though his tearful monologue about saving people was really cool and then again Hope just ruined it with the lame murder attempt (which makes people hate him once more). I mean, he's a teenager but that's not an excuse for a writer. People supposed to like main characters not wait for them to find some brains and rational thinking along their road movie journey. Nevertheless the story is just very foggy and slow. By Chapter 10 it's still kinda hard to understand what you're supposed to be fighting: is it fate? Gods? Evil government? All three together? Why is Vanille here again? Is Miss Big Boobs still even relevant to the plot or I can forget about her like that one guy who died in Chapter 7 ig? P.S. the funniest shit in the game is some random soldier with a name. There's one guy in Chapter 14 that appears just for one single cutscene, has a generic soldier model, does literally nothing for the plot but writers still thought he deserves a name which you can only see if you turn on the names in subtitles. Like, nobody even refers to him by name nor I found his name anywhere in datalog. It's just a random expendable trooper with a name. Why? Well, how about you play 2 more games, maybe they've retconnee him to be a god? You never know with FF13 trilogy, you never know...
@@persona3rulezthe opposite, actually: back then most games were linear following the Call of Duty template, so FF13 felt like an extreme version of a trend we were already fed up with. Hence why I skipped it. When I finally played it a couple of years ago, however, I'd just finished my fifth open world sandbox in a row, so its utter linearity and focus on slow, measured character building felt refreshing instead.
@@iggyig420the issue is context. Its difficult to underdtand what is happening and why without readinf the datalogs. Its bad writing to have to read extra lore to feel invested in the character's actions. They often say stuff "we need to go over there" and "oh well I guess this is what we get for going to the fal'cie" or whatever, but WHY is that the destination and WHY is the fal'cie even kept there???? It feels like you're observing characters do what they would do, but you dont get an idea of what their world is like and god forbid you miss an implication that can be interpetted in dif ways. Thats the issue with xiii
I bought the pixel remaster, the 7+8 combo pack, crisis core reunion, 9, a Japanese import of X/X-2, 12, and world of Final Fantasy physically for my switch and I'd ABSOLUTELY buy the 13 trilogy if they made them on switch as well NGL
you made a great choice getting the japanese import of ffx/x-2. got great art cover and inner art and it came with both game in one cartridge with out the need of download.
Agreed, I have every FF title physically on the Switch, except for the pixel remasters, and I'd gladly get FF13 trilogy as well. Even though the first two are my least favorite FF titles
The gameplay is pretty solid too. It just takes a while in OG to take the training wheels off. Anyone who says it's bad probably got mad that spamming "auto battle" got them killed if they don't use their brain.
gameplay is decent.....until you make it to lightning returns and then you (me at least) want to run away from it. Changing the playstyle of the game on a sequel is insane. Imagine ff 7 rebirth being a shooter instead of an ARPG.
The biggest changes I want to see them do in a remaster. Give an option to run through the game MULTIPLE TIMES for Lightning returns don't limit it to just 2 tries per file. and give us a better way to manage the TIME. instead of just a limited amount of time freezes for 2 minutes. also give us a way to SLOW TIME DOWN like how Majora's mask did. For XIII-2 I agree the audio for dialogue should be louder then the background music.
It's kinda baffling how Final Fantasy 13 hasn't been remastered yet but Final Fantasy TYPE-0 has been remastered and ported multiple times. And they're both from the fabula crystalis universe.
Nah, it’s mostly the Crystal Tools engine situation. There’s a reason lot of PS3 games have not been remastered or even bothered to be ported because a lot of devs back in the day tried to fiddle around with their own new engines and Crystal Tools was the one Square created in that time to develop FFXIII and that made it super hard to work with.
I love FF13 for sentimental reasons. It came out when I lived in Japan and I remember all the pomp and circumstance that came with it's release. I'd go to Den Den Town, Osaka's version of Akihabara, and almost every electronics store had demos to play on big screens, sometimes with staff dressed like the characters walking around. There were posters and adds everywhere and convenience stores even sold red and blue bottles of soda made up to look like health and mana potions. All the while I was reading about how players in the US and other western countries were still waiting on the international release. It's the first time I remember feeling like I was in video game Mecca.
I'd be so down for the trilogy remaster. I got a ps3 to try and get all the trophies for the FF13 trilogy but it broke down after completing FF13. Hoping to borrow my cousin's ps3 to complete the rest.
my biggest guess is right now most of the dev time is going into ff7 and small ff projects. but I'm not sure they'll consider doing a remake before ff17 gets into production
i never got why people hated on hope so much like he's 14 and his mother literally dies because some dude wanted to get his dk wet for a crystallized girl and wanted to play hero. yeah people shouldve hated on snow rather than hating on hope.
While I'm not a big fan of FF13 gameplay wise, one think that I really like about it is that it has that frutiger aero aesthetic. Really fitting for the time period when it came out, when every electronic device had that aesthetic aswell. So when I play this game, I can't help but get nostalgic for those days, even though I haven't played the game itself back then.
Honestly lightning returns was my favorite of the 3. I really liked the time mechanic. Reminded me a lot of Majoras Mask, which was my favorite game growing up. I wish more games used a time mechanic.
The Switch has Doom Eternal, The Witcher 3, and all 3 Xenoblade games. Is Square really that incompetent that they can't compress decade old games to fit on a cartridge?
Let's be honest here, if they just twisted the more linear levels into somewhat expansive mazes with some extra goodies hidden at the dead ends -- like, say, extra tough battles and rewards -- that would probably placate a lot of the people who initially hated it. Sure, you'd need to give players the option to return to previous maps somehow, but then you'd have a way for them to move past tougher optional challenges without permanently missing out. Heck, just hide some extra non-consequential characters and locations in off-the-beaten-path places, like small hideouts where people who don't support the purge gather to help runaways. It doesn't affect the story, but it expands the world just a little bit, all the while giving players a reprieve from the action at various points; you can even slip the coveted mini game in there. At that point, just touch up the crystarium a little and you're golden.
To be fair even open world games are linear. It just gives you a big circle or arena with a few collectibles to travel in when the most optimal path is a straight line to the next point. I think of the 2013 Tomb Raider, they have big areas, but let's be real the exit is straight ahead along with maybe a few turns and an arena for the combat or stealth. If XIII had bigger areas it would literally nothing.
@@klop4228 NO NO NO this would ruin it. I swear people don't know how to use their brain. They literally use the words over and over, and using context you can easily figure it out without even needing the datalogs like I do. I swear people want complex telling but don't have the capacity or media literacy to figure things out. People really want it to be spoonfed to them. The way it was implemented is organic. They characters live in that world and is common knowledge so they don't need to exposite to each other. Over of the first lines is "Don't worry, I'm not a l'cie". HOw the characters react to certain words and events. And it becoms more clear as it goes on. From this you can infer that a l'cie is something the people don't like or are scared of. They say the terms over and over throughout that it build upon it, feeling natural, instead of an exposition dump. Allowing the player to use their brain and figure it out with context. X legit explains everything to you three times. Once because pivotal plot twists are new to everyone in the party, twice because Tidus isn't part of the world and needs additional context, and thrice because Wakka is either unwilling to accept something or just flat out dumb. Or VII where BArret says he's going to save the world five times in the first area. People just want things explained to them straight away. It's okay to be confused at first. It all comes together if you infer a little bit. We especially see it now with the MCU-ification of information. Thinking the story only works if you read the data logs is why movies need to explain every bit of minutia repeatedly now. The emotional and thematic core of the story is 100% there without the data logs, they only add to the sci fi world building that doesn't add to the story but to the setting
@@hazelcrisp I disagree; the largest controversy XIII had upon release was its maps. Yes, there were weird spots about the story; the characters started out irritating; and a chunk of the lore was hidden in datalogs. But by far, the greatest issue people at the time had who hated the game, was the fact every map amounted to a hallway. Sure, open world games are technically linear in how they progress, but they're stuffed with so much extra content that their experiences are totally different. For example: The Elder Scrolls players tend to ignore the plot entirely in favor of living their own fantasies in the open world, which supports it, whereas Deus Ex -- the original -- let you make hidden choices to critically alter the story and ending. Final Fantasy games before had always given their players at least the option to look around, but not XIII; either go forward, or go back, and nothing else for nearly the whole game. It wouldn't fix everything, but that leeway is what worked for XIII-2 and all that did besides expanding the maps was unlock the level cap and let you swap leaders -- but those are pretty much no-brainers for any remaster or remake of XIII; literally another point of contention well documented everywhere.
As someone who has probably around 800hrs played in this trilogy, they have to do some changes if they remaster the trilogy. For the first game, they need to gut the tutorial, explain that you get a full ATB refresh every 12s when you paradigm shift and give you more Roles/Abilites early in so you aren't just spamming attack for the first 4 chapters. I hope they add the cancelled DLC as a lot of the files are still in the game and can be reached with hacks. They should rework the upgrade system to something more modern, make all items buyable in the shop endgame so some aren't misable and lastly, allow you to re-visit older chapters story missions and areas like in like in FF16. The most important change they could make in the entire trilogy is for them to remove the Time Clock in FF13 LR. Everyone said it was a bad idea back then and even 13 years later it is still probably the worst designed mechanic in any video to this date. It punishes first timers to the game, makes bad players unable to complete the game and it forces you to basically pause the game every 2 minutes and permanently looking at online guides so you don't run out of time. They need to remove it 100% and there's no reason not to unless you want the game to fail. FF13 LR is a great game that fails to meet its potential due to this mechanic, it has a newgame +, multiple quest endings that encourage you to do more than 1 playthrough. It really needs no work other than reworking this stupid mechanic to allow everyone to play through at their own pace. You want people to spend as much time in your game and enjoy the journey. FF13-2 is really solid as it tackled most of the main issue's of 13-1. The pet mechanic to min/max is pretty annoying but not the worst grind in modern day standards, it would be cool to rework it slightly but leaving it wouldn't be the worst thing. The only thing I don't like is that Noel and Serah aren't as good as the old main cast in FF13. It would be cool after you completed the game they could allow you to play as the FF13 cast to have fun endgame, this would be easy as you can use time paradox's and time travel to allow this. It would make the main cast more dynamic as you a pretty much forced to make Serah your typical Magic User and Noel your typical Strength user so playing the party can get pretty stale quickly. Also you can actually level wrong in this game and make your characters have like 10-20% weaker stats if you level randomly so this should be probably fix this too. The other really good change they could do is add a NEW GAME + to FF13-1 & FF13-2 to give the games x2 playtime like FF13 LR did. It's always a great feature for any game to have. It wouldn't need that much work as all you gotta do is allow Items to Upgrade further on New Game Plus and Rework Enemy Stats and add a few more levels for the party members. They could even go as far as adding a new mechanic or attack on every boss. I think if they are gonna do a FF13 Trilogy remaster these are things they will have to take into consideration. I think if they did these and marketed it well, it would probably be as successful or even more successful than the FF7 remake. Slightly improve the graphics + textures and basic to moderate reworks to the game systems in all 3 games and you'll have 3 games that are super high quality, got 100-200hrs playtime each and it will take less work than releasing a single AAA game by x100. I personally think they should of this route because releasing them without changes will be a bad move in my opinion. They are still semi-playable to this day and these are major flaws the games have that should be fixed for a remaster.
I've always imagined a redo of 13 where the combat was mostly the same except faster paced and with timed event presses to amplify the effects of your abilities or to continue your attack combo.
Some people like to waste their time on trash I guess. There are so many games much better than these that are actually worth the time it takes to platinum.
I thank the whole western gaming community and two of my college friends whose bashing of FFXIII circa 2010-2011 made me very curious and actually encourage me to buy a PS 3 and a copy of FF XIII. This trilogy was very fun and refreshing. The conclusion at Lightning Returns was very beautiful and satisfying.
@@NAzo. hahaha! Relax, dude! By the time I played XIII, I've already finished I through VI twice, on different consoles. Can't pass-up playing VII (which is my first FF and second JRPG ever), tasted VIII, and finished IX on PS1. I've tried X and XII on PS2 but at the time I wasn't sold much by them.
@@krisnantoprayogosantoso4033 I have a hard time believing you dude. FF13 is such a bad game don't joke about it. FF13-2 is the only decent one of the 3 and Lightning is an awful character that Square wanted to make her the new Cloud. Play Lost Odyssey, that's the real FF13 we should of all got.
The sequels get better but worse at the same time. Graphically each game got worse but the gameplay got better. I really liked 13-2’s story. With Lightning Returns though, loved the gameplay but the story was a hot mess infused with MLP infused cringe writing at some points. There’s also this weird disconnect between each game, both games seem to try to distance themselves from the first one especially. Still wanna play them again though.
Ah yes the old fav. Played all of them, fav. Of them all is lightning returns I'll definitely replay them all again if it got a remaster or remake i hope it happens
I think they're gonna release it in 2025 for it's 15th anniversary. It was released in the U.S in March 2010, but for Japan in December 2009. Announcement might drop soon!
The FF9 Remake leak also said something about not being on the scale of FF7R so for a FF13 Remake they could take that route but I doubt it. I see them doing a remaster just like Crisis Core. Also with the NG+ for 13-1 and 13-2 please Square add a infinite timer to Lighting Returns as a NG+ or Endgame feature.
FFXIII is my favourite JRPG. I have it on PC. But i just want it rereleased so I can play it on my PS5. I also realised that if there is a port or whatever I have to see everyone dunking on it and complaning about things that I find to be non-issues.
There are definitely a few quality of life improvements I'd love for the first FFXIII: - Allow Wide vs Narrow instructions for your teammates when setting up Paradigms - Allow paradigms to be saved/loaded, or just don't reset them every time you change your team - Fix the material/weapon improvement system to be less opaque, or rebalance to allow for people to be able to try out more weapons for each character without screwing themselves over unless they're meticulously managing their bonus multiplier system. - Default to no minimap!! You'd be surprised how this ONE change can seriously change perspectives on the game for new players. Taking in the environment without having a constant reminder of you being in a *literal* hallway really makes a difference. - Adding small town services, NPCs, sights, and whatnot to even just a few spots in the original story would be fantastic. Palumpolum and other spots are fully fleshed out, but don't have points of interest that have any bearing on you. Even just a few more things to do here and there, when it makes sense for the story, would be great. P5R improved on P5 a lot in this way. FFXIII's pre-rendered cutscenes were phenomenal. I'd hope that if we do get a remaster they maintain that level of quality if they do end up switching to in-engine cutscenes like they did for FFXIII-2. The latter's were still good, but they always looked rougher to me on the PS3. Lighting Returns (Can we rename it to FFXIII-3 now like it should have been?) really needs some rebalancing or direction though. I was able to get through it because I was working off a strategy guide, but the time limit is just too unforgiving if you're not managing it to an absolute T, and it's a huge shift in mental requirements compared to the other two. Couldn't get parents to be able to handle that, for example. The thing with remakes instead of remasters is that it doesn't have to be a FFVII-style massive reconstruction, it can just have a lot of bonus content and continuity fixed. They infamously mentioned that they had enough cut material for FFXIII to make two other separate games, because of all the different ideas they went through during that development hell. Obviously some of that went into the sequels, and Versus XIII, but it would still be awesome to see some things reinserted, to give more foreshadowing about what happens in FFXIII-2 and LR, to give Jill more of a thing to do and rework some of the clunkiest of dialogue, and maybe to do right by Sazh this time instead of him getting the shaft. Anyway.... Hoping the rumors are true! It's been too long since playing!
I like to add that Lightning should cast magic by shooting it from her gunblade. I love that gunblade and cannot believe they removed it from the sequel. Also level redesign too. ☕
If they do a remaster I'd like them to allow respeccing in 13-2 because with the leveling system it was possible to mess up and ruin your characters and monsters. Also they should allow you to have more than one of the same type of monster because when you used monsters to transfer skills you had to use them up then catch a new one and use that one up etc.
I think that with most of the FFXIII working of FFVII Remake, they got their hands full to move on with a remaster/remake of FFXIII. But the fact that the team is active and already has the blueprint to remake FFXIII (ironically XIII is essentially the precursor/blueprint for VII Remake…down to the music too…) to remake the game. But honestly,the game is so goddam beautiful it just amazes me how it still stands the test of time 15 years later and don’t think it needs a full overhaul.
@@jclosed2516 The fact that there are folks like you who exist I wonder if you say that even unto unhealthy matters. FF13 being one of them as there's a limit to saying such things when it gets to a point of not believing what is being said especially in comparison to what else the person has played. They're either lying or have a severe case of blind nostalgia as there are no redeeming qualities in a horrible character like Lightning. Snow is a piece of garbage whom the party should of died long ago under him. The two best characters are relegated to being side shows and had potential that being Sazh and Hope. Since you want to take up the mantle for the guy why don't you explain what redeeming qualities does a shiet game like FF13 have other the other games the person has played particularly FF7R. My first FF is FF4 and I am not blinded by nostalgia to know that the game has flaws and takes away a lot of the immersion because of what happens in the story. FF4 isn't my fav game that's FF6. You don't like people like me challenging you on if you really mean what you say or not, too bad.
i just blew through the trilogy on PS3 again, we really need a Remaster. It has its issues sure, but Nostalgia is strong Maybe they have some backend issues on their side, porting or upgrading it, something might not go as well and they need to take their time. Who knows
I just hope there's some proper work done to it. If they end up just giving us the PC or One X Enhanced versions with some tweaks, I'll be the first say it's better than nothing, but I'm not sure I'd pay for that. A remake would be cool but surely take longer
Them repacking games into bundle packs is why I'm just waiting for FF VII Remake Pt3 to come out since they will most likely put it in a All-in-One Bundle. They kept doing it for Kingdom Hearts, 1.5+2.5 ReMix, The Story So Far, All in One(WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE REMIND), KH Integrum Masterpiece(DOESN'T INCLUDE Melody of Memory)
After seeing the FF7 "Remake", this is the only FF title that I welcome a remake with open arms as there's no possible way they can make the story any worse than it already is in the OG.
I like lightning return. I like the combat and dress system. Collecting those dresses was fun and I don't really mind time limit in fact it makes me finish faster.
Between a combat system that didn't want players playing it (auto-battle and stars for low fight time that the slightest use of the menu will prevent you from getting), the unnecessarily apostrophed gobbledegook of "l'Cie" and "fal'Cie" and "Cie'th" thrown around as if it's not extraordinarily confusing, the mostly uncompelling characters, the teammate AI making bad choices (I distinctly remember dying when expecting Hope to heal me as I was nearly dead, and he healed himself instead), and that awful main character death means game over mechanic, the ridiculous summon battles... This game was a train wreck that I have no desire to revisit.
Picked this game up late into the ps3s life out of a 3 dollar bin of games and was immediately captivated by the music, characters, lore and battle system. I was also a competitive gamer at the time so i did not spend a lot of time on it but every few years i get the itch to ppay ff13. It was my first final fantasy. Itll likely remain my favourite. Just picked it up again a week ago and o finally understand it all 😅. I just attained odin and im HYPE. praying for a remake or remaster ion even care 🎉
💚100% agree with all of your additions, one QoL of a remaster for the first game is the paradigm shift camera/wait time. That can ruin some fights waiting to act as everyone does their little animations. If we get a FFXIII remake...give us a Fang and Vanille prequel part showing us how Pulse before the decay and cie'th takeover or separate media like prequel game or movie.
Im surprised seeing how warm the comments here about FF13 as far as I saw, I thought its hated in general. My first 13 was Lightning Returns, I like Lightnings design alot, she's one of the best looking chara, but the story in overall is so confusing that makes me dont remember most of the story other that Lightning wants to save Serah.
I'd totall buy the games again (got all 3 for PS3 and PC), no matter if it's a remake, remaster or simple port. I just WANT it on console again (sold my ps3 v.v') But I'd also dream of a remake that has the battle system of VII Remake/Rebirth, imagine how amazing that would be
Got bored of 13 after a few hours but played again a few years later and realised why, it felt like the game played it's self and was veryone pathed. If a remaster would change that the I would give it a play.
Here is what I think: Since they are Square they want to charge 60 bucks per game. But they know they cannot sell a collection of all 3 games for 180. The most people will pay is 90 for a collection. But that's only 30 bucks per game. If they release them one by one they maybe can sell the first remastered game for 60 but the other two games will not sell. So they have to sell them as a collection. But because the price they can realistically charge is not high enough they do nothing.
It's baffling how misunderstood the Xbox ecosystem is. You can outright buy FF13, 13-2, and LR via the Xbox store, or by using your own disc via backwards compatibility. It's rare for games to be outright delisted. Games leaving the Gamepass service doesn't mean it's been delisted.
They are available on Gamepass but not exclusive to Gamepass. As part of Xbox's backward compatibility program all three FF13 games can be bought individually on Xbox's digital store and if your Xbox has a disc drive can be played directly with a Xbox 360 disc on Xbox 360, Xbox One and Xbox Series X.
I'd love if they give it the FFXII TZA treatment and update/optimize some aspects of the game, namely the weirdly punishing weapon upgrade system. upgrading the weapons felt like such a huge commitment and didn't really allow for experimentation or mistakes, but also is entirely useless before chapter 11. would be nice if hey made more systems open up and become relevant earlier in the game, rather than saving the real 'meat and potatoes' for so late in the game.
To be honest I want square to make a single player version of ff11 like I'm not the only one who wants that game to be preserved that game and the story even knows they'll have to do different gameplay
I dust off my 360 and replay these games every couple of years- to this day they are still some of my favorite games of all time. People that sleep on the XIII trilogy are seriously missing out 👍
I'm sure they'll do, if nothing else, a full re-release of the XIII trilogy at some point, so that it can be played on modern hardware. It's probably just "too soon"; the games aren't ~that~ old yet and still look pretty great in my opinion, and Squeenix has had other projects on its plate. The XIII trilogy sold pretty well too, but it cost a lot to develop and market, so re-releases are a way to extract extra value from it without putting in too much extra cost. I'm of the opinion that the XIII trilogy is super underrated. It kind of suffers from the Star Wars prequel trilogy syndrome: It came along at just the wrong time, where Final Fantasy fans had grown up and their nostalgia for the series had begun to crystallize, and XIII wasn't what they wanted, and they got angry about it. The original Final Fantasy XIII was like playing a movie. It was meant to be that way on purpose: It puts you there in the story yourself. It's grueling and exhausting, and you feel like you're there suffering with the protagonists-but in a good way, because you empathize with them. You feel what they feel. And the chase never lets up (till Chapter 11), so there's no rest for the weary. But this artistic intention went over a lot of people's heads and they just saw it as a giant railroad with no options. "Final Hallway" they called it. They wanted a more traditional JRPG, with lots of unguided exploration, which in XIII is limited just to Chapter 11. And separately we can't ignore the fact that there's a certain type of male out there who just can't deal with angry female protagonists. Lightning got a lot of hate that doesn't make any sense, because she was basically modeled off of the character style of the beloved Cloud. It's sort of like how people dump on Rey in the new Star Wars films for all the same qualities that they love in Luke. Anyway, the angry old FF fans gave this game a lot of hate (and never even played the rest of the trilogy), which is fine to do as someone's personal opinion but doesn't really offer a good objective analysis of the games. But at the same time, their hate was drowning out the fact that a lot of younger players and franchise newcomers loved the XIII trilogy. These people's praise never got heard until many years later, when the angry old fans largely cycled out and the young fans who'd grown up loving these games began to have more of a voice. Nowadays you'll see talking about the XIII trilogy a lot more positively, and rightly so, because it has so much going for it. That's why I think that, at minimum, a re-release is inevitable. There's still plenty of appetite for these games, and they're still super accessible to newcomers to the series. As for a remaster...I dunno. Does it really need one yet? You make a good point about some specific complaints, like the audio mixing in XIII-2, but do these little shortcomings amount to enough in the collective to warrant the expense of a remaster? I'm not sure that I see it yet. The XIII trilogy as it stands right now is still a higher-quality game in terms of production values and graphical fidelity than a lot of indie games that are coming out even in 2024. I don't know if I see the financial argument for doing a remaster, at least not yet. And when it comes to a full remake...I doubt it. I don't think it's going to happen. Certainly not anytime soon. I wouldn't put too much stock into the social media comment; that's probably just the social media person at Squeenix doing their job properly and getting fans to engage and divulge useful information. If there is a secret XIII remake project underway, the social media person is not going to know about it. And in any case, the XIII trilogy development team inside Squeenix is actually the same one that's been in charge of the VII remake project, so they're busy until further notice. And XIII took a lot of money to develop in the first place, and didn't quite hit the blockbuster sales figures they were hoping for, even though sales were strong (I think only FFs VII and VIII sold more copies, and that's just XIII itself and doesn't include the rest of the trilogy), so Squeenix will likely be loath to invest the huge budget of a full remake, especially considering that the VII remake isn't quite hitting Squeenix's sales goals. But if they did do a remake of XIII, I'd love for the characters to all get fleshed out more. The main six, the villains, the side characters. And a little more worldbuilding, as places like the Tower of Taejin felt like there was more exploring left to do. That would actually be my main request for an XIII-2 remake as well. We never got to see enough of characters like Alyssa, for instance, who have really interesting story premises, and the whole Historia Crux system had a lot of potential for timeline shenanigans that was never fully realized. Lightning Returns is another ball of wax: I love the intensely personal focus on Lightning herself to the exclusion of other characters, and I actually think it was really well-done. If that game were to be remade, I'd just want them to bring in Ali Hillis again and have her record a bunch of extra dialogue fleshing out Lightning herself even more! Lightning is easily my favorite Final Fantasy main protagonist of all time, assuming we don't count Celes from way back in Final Fantasy VI as the main protagonist of that game.
I seriously love the FF13 trilogy , they are amazing imo ! And my most absolute favorite character is certainly Lightning farron !💖😍💕 she's badass and gorgeous ! And as for what you have said . I would like either a remaster, remake , DLC outfits, EXTREMELY hard difficultly, and stuff like those. It all sound FIRE !🔥🤩
I started a playthrough of 13 on steam deck last week (runs great btw). First time touching have since original launch. At chapter 8. I corridors don't bother me as much as i thought. Main complaint, and not sure how to fix, is that it takes forever for combat to get interesting.
Unfortunately, that's the combat for the rest of this game and the next. It doesn't change until FF13-3 which is more or the less the model that FF7R now uses
I'm confused and must have been very lucky. I went through 13 and 13-2 last year and 13-2 gave me no problems at all playing it to completion on steam.
The minimum they got to do is up the textures, up to 4k resolution, unlocked fps, and make is freaking work on modern hardware. Ultrawide screen support would be nice, but we all know SE can't bother with that.
I have to be honest, I briefly played this when it first released and judged it rather harshly. Something about that first 2 hours just grinded with me bad. I do agree that most of the series is linear, but many of the games give you some level of open space to roam in freely early on. The battle system is also quite different, so that is offputting too.
Crazy how most of the classic mainline FF are remastered and available on newer PS and even the switch now except for 13 and the only explanation I have is that it was in the awkward ps3 era. I notice a lot of ps3 games (at least the ones I’ve played) haven’t been remastered or ported. Another is Drakengard 3 which never got ported despite being somewhat popular but other older drakengard and nier games got ported or remade. The difference was drakengard 3 was on ps3, same as ff13.
Still happy I didn't listen to the hate back then and decided to play the trilogy for myself. Ended up falling in love with all 3 games and platinumed each. Miss those days.
The issue might be the Crystal Tools Engine they used back then. Pretty much like Luminous it was hard to develop for, and doing a remaster might be quite the undertaking to just get the engine compatible with modern consoles and hardware. They might be floating the idea of a remake because they're considering rebuilding the games from scratch in Unreal Engine as it might actually be easier to do that than trying to fix Crystal Tools to some extent.
Too soon for remakes but the right time for remasters. No need to port an already good looking game in a whole new engine then having to pay licensing fees for using the engine. The Xbox versions are already boosted to 60fps(XIII-2 and LR).
@SacrificAbominat it already runs (ish) on PC though?
@@lloganm1234 Yeah with pretty bad ports that need mods to make them work properly. They're going to run into similar issues trying to get them to run on current consoles as well. I can see them opting for doing a from scratch remaster in a new engine like they did with the Kingdom Hearts HD collections due to all of the issues the crystal tools has associated with it.
It probably be easier to port it over to Unreal rather than remaking it ala the Shin Megami Tensei III HD or much worse the GTA definitive trilogy or Sonic Colors Ultimate. It depends on how much time is given and how hard the original code is to work with. I doubt Square Enix is going to go all out with remaking models or environments.
@@costby1105 Yeah that's what I'm thinking they'll do too. Though I don't know how much of the crystal tool assets will be compatible. Hopefully they won't have to remake too much of them.
Xiii-2 is absolutely delicious to play. That game is amazing, fun gameplay, and Noel’s arch is such a nice story
Lol it's confusing as hell 😂
Ah yes 13, my beloved. I still cannot fathom why people feel so negatively about this game when imo it has a lot less flaws than some other FF's and that music, oh man that music.
Plus its visuals still hold up well today despite it being about 10 years old now.
If you cant fathom it then youre blatantly ignore the reasons many people have give
@base21 I am not ignoring them, its just the reasons people have here can be explained away with a short sentence.
I love it too, like if SE make a remaster I'd would buy it
Its because people dont buy it thinking its a team management game.
Not to mention the world is written well but the story is written badly. A strong argument is you shouldnt need to read extra lore from the databank in order to understand why characters are in their situation and why they believe traveling to their destination collectively makes sense.
I like FF13, especially the battle system. My issue with FF13 is that they don't utilize the battle system to the full potential through most of it... except for a few optional battles. I think misogyny was an issue with a lot of FF13 hate also. Given how sensitive a lot of male gamers are, I don't doubt that last part.
I'd really love to have the costumes from each game be compatible with each other
I just want to play the ff 13 trilogy again this time on switch so I can play it while lying down due to my bad back
That’s exactly why I don’t like playing on my PS5 I want all my games on Nintendo Switch.
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This comment is basically how I would resume my video gamer life.
@@RobertWWDthen play your PS5 on the Portal
@@Psychefluxxyup, got tired of waiting for Nintendo to remaster wind waker and twilight princess, now I’m enjoying them both on the steam deck
13 could still hold a candle to many ps4 RPGs visually, so imagine how much more crazy it would look with a shiny makeover
You know, I never got the "hallway" argument. There are a lot of beloved games were this is the case. Even FF X. Just straight from point A to B. I think people just like to hate stuff. And Lightning Returns had more freedom but "Time Management" so it was apparently awful, too. Like, bro. If any of you hasn't played these games yet, do it. Make your own opinions. IF! They finally REMASTER THEM! URGH!
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I think the hallway argument comes from people having issues with so much of the game that things that are passable in other games just adds to the issues in this one.
I personally don't mind the hallway in games when done right. But if the pacing and story are bad then everything feels bad.
This is an old argument. you can look almost anywhere and people will explain it in detail. in 13 you're just on a road with nothing available, compared to 10 where you make stops and learn about the world and it's people. 10 also has a them of the pilgrimage and going down the road, while 13 doesn't really have that excuse. LR time management is tacked on as it is never an issue outside of forcing you to not to be able to do a mission.
It's more on how the systems and world building is done rather that it just existing.
Ff7 remake was the exact same way. The only difference is everyone gives anything 7 related a pass.
@@zeosummers3984 Ok but 13's themes is that you are fugitives in that you are literally on the run from a government that detonated a nuke doing a lot of damage before you end up essentially turning into the devil from your mythology and get hunted down even harder. It would make no sense for NPCs to talk to you much if at all because they know who you are, you can't hide and nobody is on your side that much.
That being said I do agree that most of the lore being in the datalog and not outright explained in the environment is a bit of an issue. Personally I would prefer small things like you find an old datapad left by an adventurer who came through there, maybe you complete a Ceith stone mission and you get more story on the person who it used to be, I feel small stuff like that could help people wrap their brains around the jargon and lore better than just telling them read the datalog.
Also maybe expanding on the exploration of Cocoon a bit allowing you to backtrack and visit different zones would be like a nice touch if they did remake it.
XIII is so misunderstood, I'd love for people to be able to give it another shot
Nah, it's not like people NOW love hallways with neverending fighting. Especially when there's not much story going on in the first half.
@@persona3rulez I just started chapter 11 and there is plenty of story what are you talking about about?
@iggyig420 the story being "we're running forward"? Yeah, Snow HAD some motive and even Lightning had a goal but first 7 chapters moving this very slowly, like 1-2 flashbacks per chapter so you don't fully understand what's going on let alone how is this supposed to get interesting after they get their marks. I mean, yeah, sure, you can play and hope it'll become interesting but many people give up somewhere around chapter 2 and 3, when they still don't fully understand who are these characters, why were they in the city and who exactly are l'Cie. Especially since the first 2 chapters is just spamming auto-battle and only chapter 3 introduces paradigms which themselves aren't fully unlocked until like... Chapter 10? You definitely can't use Synergist with Lightning until you can finally customize your party. You might argue that Lightning is DPS, she shouldn't be a Synergist but if the game is all about auto-battle I might as well watch it on UA-cam. It would save me around 60 hours of my life since I've spent like 80 hours on the game. You spend like half the game running from a flashback to a flashback just to see more flashbacks later that would make characters go from "oh no, I'm scared/furious" to "well, now I'm determined to fight the government". The government itself isn't even that interesting until you met Bart, lol. The plot starts to get interesting sometime when Vanille mentions the war for the first time but it's Chapter 8 if I recall correctly. I've spent like 15 hours just to get to Chapter 7 which was kinda cool but still auto-battles. Oh, yeah, people also find Hope's revenge arc really silly and comical because it's so puberty-ish it gets edgy and almost satirical. Lightning's change of heart was also really out of nowhere and amused at least me with how emotional she gets just by thinking "oh no, we're just pets to gods". Meanwhile Snow is so optimistic he's really annoying and made people call him an r-word :(
Though his tearful monologue about saving people was really cool and then again Hope just ruined it with the lame murder attempt (which makes people hate him once more). I mean, he's a teenager but that's not an excuse for a writer. People supposed to like main characters not wait for them to find some brains and rational thinking along their road movie journey. Nevertheless the story is just very foggy and slow. By Chapter 10 it's still kinda hard to understand what you're supposed to be fighting: is it fate? Gods? Evil government? All three together? Why is Vanille here again? Is Miss Big Boobs still even relevant to the plot or I can forget about her like that one guy who died in Chapter 7 ig?
P.S. the funniest shit in the game is some random soldier with a name. There's one guy in Chapter 14 that appears just for one single cutscene, has a generic soldier model, does literally nothing for the plot but writers still thought he deserves a name which you can only see if you turn on the names in subtitles. Like, nobody even refers to him by name nor I found his name anywhere in datalog. It's just a random expendable trooper with a name. Why? Well, how about you play 2 more games, maybe they've retconnee him to be a god? You never know with FF13 trilogy, you never know...
@@persona3rulezthe opposite, actually: back then most games were linear following the Call of Duty template, so FF13 felt like an extreme version of a trend we were already fed up with. Hence why I skipped it.
When I finally played it a couple of years ago, however, I'd just finished my fifth open world sandbox in a row, so its utter linearity and focus on slow, measured character building felt refreshing instead.
@@iggyig420the issue is context. Its difficult to underdtand what is happening and why without readinf the datalogs.
Its bad writing to have to read extra lore to feel invested in the character's actions.
They often say stuff "we need to go over there" and "oh well I guess this is what we get for going to the fal'cie" or whatever, but WHY is that the destination and WHY is the fal'cie even kept there????
It feels like you're observing characters do what they would do, but you dont get an idea of what their world is like and god forbid you miss an implication that can be interpetted in dif ways.
Thats the issue with xiii
I'd really love something in between a remaster and remake. Keeping the core of things like battle system but just enhanced
Agreed, something of a similar scope to Crisis Core Reunion would be awesome.
Final fantasy 13-2 was so peak I’d honestly be happy to play it again sometime so if they remaster or remake it in any way I’d be happy as :))
I bought the pixel remaster, the 7+8 combo pack, crisis core reunion, 9, a Japanese import of X/X-2, 12, and world of Final Fantasy physically for my switch and I'd ABSOLUTELY buy the 13 trilogy if they made them on switch as well NGL
you made a great choice getting the japanese import of ffx/x-2. got great art cover and inner art and it came with both game in one cartridge with out the need of download.
Agreed, I have every FF title physically on the Switch, except for the pixel remasters, and I'd gladly get FF13 trilogy as well. Even though the first two are my least favorite FF titles
@Finalfazone exactly why I did and I'm so happy 😊
I would love a remaster of the 13 trilogy because I never got to play that and it seems very interesting story-wise
No no no, honey, it's interesting as a story but you _don't_ want to play it. That's where you get to suffer. ewe"
@@dawk7The gameplay is very fun, actually.
The gameplay is pretty solid too. It just takes a while in OG to take the training wheels off. Anyone who says it's bad probably got mad that spamming "auto battle" got them killed if they don't use their brain.
@@dawk7 imagine giving advice Asif your opinión is fact
gameplay is decent.....until you make it to lightning returns and then you (me at least) want to run away from it.
Changing the playstyle of the game on a sequel is insane.
Imagine ff 7 rebirth being a shooter instead of an ARPG.
The biggest changes I want to see them do in a remaster. Give an option to run through the game MULTIPLE TIMES for Lightning returns don't limit it to just 2 tries per file. and give us a better way to manage the TIME. instead of just a limited amount of time freezes for 2 minutes. also give us a way to SLOW TIME DOWN like how Majora's mask did. For XIII-2 I agree the audio for dialogue should be louder then the background music.
It's kinda baffling how Final Fantasy 13 hasn't been remastered yet but Final Fantasy TYPE-0 has been remastered and ported multiple times. And they're both from the fabula crystalis universe.
Because Final Fantasy TYPE-0 is actually good and the better of the two.
@@NAzo. Fair enough
Nah, it’s mostly the Crystal Tools engine situation. There’s a reason lot of PS3 games have not been remastered or even bothered to be ported because a lot of devs back in the day tried to fiddle around with their own new engines and Crystal Tools was the one Square created in that time to develop FFXIII and that made it super hard to work with.
Type 0 of got a remaster because it was a psp exclusive and only released in Japan. So for many it was the first time playing it on the ps4/ Xbox.
I love FF13 for sentimental reasons. It came out when I lived in Japan and I remember all the pomp and circumstance that came with it's release. I'd go to Den Den Town, Osaka's version of Akihabara, and almost every electronics store had demos to play on big screens, sometimes with staff dressed like the characters walking around. There were posters and adds everywhere and convenience stores even sold red and blue bottles of soda made up to look like health and mana potions. All the while I was reading about how players in the US and other western countries were still waiting on the international release. It's the first time I remember feeling like I was in video game Mecca.
Must've been cool seeing employees dressing as the characters
I'd be so down for the trilogy remaster.
I got a ps3 to try and get all the trophies for the FF13 trilogy but it broke down after completing FF13. Hoping to borrow my cousin's ps3 to complete the rest.
My PS3 quit on me when I had 159 out of 160 fragments in FFXIII-2 back in 2014. I currently have my backup copy on the Xbox 360.
@@starman9458 that's really unfortunate.
@@madrianorita It turned out that the HDMI port in the PS3 broke
my biggest guess is right now most of the dev time is going into ff7 and small ff projects. but I'm not sure they'll consider doing a remake before ff17 gets into production
FFV only has 1 official remaster and it is the pixel remaster. It deserves a full scale remake more than any other in the franchise.
This is true! It's my favorite out of the SNES era games
The Final Fantasy with the best Art direction to this day, this game is breathtaking
Bros on his grind rn
i never got why people hated on hope so much like he's 14 and his mother literally dies because some dude wanted to get his dk wet for a crystallized girl and wanted to play hero. yeah people shouldve hated on snow rather than hating on hope.
While I'm not a big fan of FF13 gameplay wise, one think that I really like about it is that it has that frutiger aero aesthetic. Really fitting for the time period when it came out, when every electronic device had that aesthetic aswell. So when I play this game, I can't help but get nostalgic for those days, even though I haven't played the game itself back then.
Honestly lightning returns was my favorite of the 3. I really liked the time mechanic. Reminded me a lot of Majoras Mask, which was my favorite game growing up. I wish more games used a time mechanic.
I love a remaster of the FF13 series! ^.^
I beat FF13 for the first time this year. I'd HAPPILY do it again for a remaster, and then again for a NG+.
A Switch port might not be in the cards due to the size of the game. But they could definitely get things on PS4-5
You'd think it would be on since games that have come out after 13 like skyrim and the witcher work just fine on it
nah, they could definitely compress(?) it and/or make it download only
Switch 2?
The Switch has Doom Eternal, The Witcher 3, and all 3 Xenoblade games. Is Square really that incompetent that they can't compress decade old games to fit on a cartridge?
That bs because the Doom games are much larger and are on switch
Let's be honest here, if they just twisted the more linear levels into somewhat expansive mazes with some extra goodies hidden at the dead ends -- like, say, extra tough battles and rewards -- that would probably placate a lot of the people who initially hated it. Sure, you'd need to give players the option to return to previous maps somehow, but then you'd have a way for them to move past tougher optional challenges without permanently missing out.
Heck, just hide some extra non-consequential characters and locations in off-the-beaten-path places, like small hideouts where people who don't support the purge gather to help runaways. It doesn't affect the story, but it expands the world just a little bit, all the while giving players a reprieve from the action at various points; you can even slip the coveted mini game in there.
At that point, just touch up the crystarium a little and you're golden.
And actually explaining what L'Cie and Fal'Cie are within the plot of the game rather than just in datalogs.
To be fair even open world games are linear. It just gives you a big circle or arena with a few collectibles to travel in when the most optimal path is a straight line to the next point. I think of the 2013 Tomb Raider, they have big areas, but let's be real the exit is straight ahead along with maybe a few turns and an arena for the combat or stealth. If XIII had bigger areas it would literally nothing.
@@klop4228 NO NO NO this would ruin it. I swear people don't know how to use their brain. They literally use the words over and over, and using context you can easily figure it out without even needing the datalogs like I do. I swear people want complex telling but don't have the capacity or media literacy to figure things out. People really want it to be spoonfed to them.
The way it was implemented is organic. They characters live in that world and is common knowledge so they don't need to exposite to each other. Over of the first lines is "Don't worry, I'm not a l'cie". HOw the characters react to certain words and events. And it becoms more clear as it goes on. From this you can infer that a l'cie is something the people don't like or are scared of. They say the terms over and over throughout that it build upon it, feeling natural, instead of an exposition dump. Allowing the player to use their brain and figure it out with context.
X legit explains everything to you three times. Once because pivotal plot twists are new to everyone in the party, twice because Tidus isn't part of the world and needs additional context, and thrice because Wakka is either unwilling to accept something or just flat out dumb. Or VII where BArret says he's going to save the world five times in the first area.
People just want things explained to them straight away. It's okay to be confused at first. It all comes together if you infer a little bit. We especially see it now with the MCU-ification of information. Thinking the story only works if you read the data logs is why movies need to explain every bit of minutia repeatedly now. The emotional and thematic core of the story is 100% there without the data logs, they only add to the sci fi world building that doesn't add to the story but to the setting
@@hazelcrisp I disagree; the largest controversy XIII had upon release was its maps. Yes, there were weird spots about the story; the characters started out irritating; and a chunk of the lore was hidden in datalogs. But by far, the greatest issue people at the time had who hated the game, was the fact every map amounted to a hallway.
Sure, open world games are technically linear in how they progress, but they're stuffed with so much extra content that their experiences are totally different. For example: The Elder Scrolls players tend to ignore the plot entirely in favor of living their own fantasies in the open world, which supports it, whereas Deus Ex -- the original -- let you make hidden choices to critically alter the story and ending.
Final Fantasy games before had always given their players at least the option to look around, but not XIII; either go forward, or go back, and nothing else for nearly the whole game. It wouldn't fix everything, but that leeway is what worked for XIII-2 and all that did besides expanding the maps was unlock the level cap and let you swap leaders -- but those are pretty much no-brainers for any remaster or remake of XIII; literally another point of contention well documented everywhere.
As someone who has probably around 800hrs played in this trilogy, they have to do some changes if they remaster the trilogy. For the first game, they need to gut the tutorial, explain that you get a full ATB refresh every 12s when you paradigm shift and give you more Roles/Abilites early in so you aren't just spamming attack for the first 4 chapters. I hope they add the cancelled DLC as a lot of the files are still in the game and can be reached with hacks. They should rework the upgrade system to something more modern, make all items buyable in the shop endgame so some aren't misable and lastly, allow you to re-visit older chapters story missions and areas like in like in FF16.
The most important change they could make in the entire trilogy is for them to remove the Time Clock in FF13 LR. Everyone said it was a bad idea back then and even 13 years later it is still probably the worst designed mechanic in any video to this date. It punishes first timers to the game, makes bad players unable to complete the game and it forces you to basically pause the game every 2 minutes and permanently looking at online guides so you don't run out of time. They need to remove it 100% and there's no reason not to unless you want the game to fail. FF13 LR is a great game that fails to meet its potential due to this mechanic, it has a newgame +, multiple quest endings that encourage you to do more than 1 playthrough. It really needs no work other than reworking this stupid mechanic to allow everyone to play through at their own pace. You want people to spend as much time in your game and enjoy the journey.
FF13-2 is really solid as it tackled most of the main issue's of 13-1. The pet mechanic to min/max is pretty annoying but not the worst grind in modern day standards, it would be cool to rework it slightly but leaving it wouldn't be the worst thing. The only thing I don't like is that Noel and Serah aren't as good as the old main cast in FF13. It would be cool after you completed the game they could allow you to play as the FF13 cast to have fun endgame, this would be easy as you can use time paradox's and time travel to allow this. It would make the main cast more dynamic as you a pretty much forced to make Serah your typical Magic User and Noel your typical Strength user so playing the party can get pretty stale quickly. Also you can actually level wrong in this game and make your characters have like 10-20% weaker stats if you level randomly so this should be probably fix this too.
The other really good change they could do is add a NEW GAME + to FF13-1 & FF13-2 to give the games x2 playtime like FF13 LR did. It's always a great feature for any game to have. It wouldn't need that much work as all you gotta do is allow Items to Upgrade further on New Game Plus and Rework Enemy Stats and add a few more levels for the party members. They could even go as far as adding a new mechanic or attack on every boss.
I think if they are gonna do a FF13 Trilogy remaster these are things they will have to take into consideration. I think if they did these and marketed it well, it would probably be as successful or even more successful than the FF7 remake. Slightly improve the graphics + textures and basic to moderate reworks to the game systems in all 3 games and you'll have 3 games that are super high quality, got 100-200hrs playtime each and it will take less work than releasing a single AAA game by x100. I personally think they should of this route because releasing them without changes will be a bad move in my opinion. They are still semi-playable to this day and these are major flaws the games have that should be fixed for a remaster.
I've always imagined a redo of 13 where the combat was mostly the same except faster paced and with timed event presses to amplify the effects of your abilities or to continue your attack combo.
Smh i need this. I love the 13 trilogy i got all platinums on all the games
Daaaang! Platinum on all 3 of them. Most impressive
Some people like to waste their time on trash I guess. There are so many games much better than these that are actually worth the time it takes to platinum.
@@alecaquino4306 and who you are to tell him what he should play?
I thank the whole western gaming community and two of my college friends whose bashing of FFXIII circa 2010-2011 made me very curious and actually encourage me to buy a PS 3 and a copy of FF XIII. This trilogy was very fun and refreshing. The conclusion at Lightning Returns was very beautiful and satisfying.
Oh such a rebel. To have played one of the worst Final Fantasy titles over gems like FF4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10.
@@NAzo. And they enjoyed it. Is it not allowed to have fun with the game?
@@jclosed2516 Do you have a reading comprehension issue?
@@NAzo. hahaha! Relax, dude! By the time I played XIII, I've already finished I through VI twice, on different consoles. Can't pass-up playing VII (which is my first FF and second JRPG ever), tasted VIII, and finished IX on PS1.
I've tried X and XII on PS2 but at the time I wasn't sold much by them.
@@krisnantoprayogosantoso4033 I have a hard time believing you dude. FF13 is such a bad game don't joke about it. FF13-2 is the only decent one of the 3 and Lightning is an awful character that Square wanted to make her the new Cloud. Play Lost Odyssey, that's the real FF13 we should of all got.
Really sucks how certain costumes and music can't be used in remasters or remakes thanks to expired licenses.
i'm definitely one of those that never tried the sequels so if SE ever does a remaster or remake i'll probably jump back into it then.
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@@kidrobot. i played through the first one, i just genuinely didn't like it.
@@pforgottonsoul the sequel is more of the same but slightly more open and they included a monster catching mechanic. would that change your mind?
The sequels get better but worse at the same time. Graphically each game got worse but the gameplay got better. I really liked 13-2’s story. With Lightning Returns though, loved the gameplay but the story was a hot mess infused with MLP infused cringe writing at some points.
There’s also this weird disconnect between each game, both games seem to try to distance themselves from the first one especially.
Still wanna play them again though.
I would play this again on any platform
It's on Xbox
A few months ago I bought the whole trilogy for nostalgic reasons but playing it on steam was so miserable I haven’t even finished my play through
Ah yes the old fav. Played all of them, fav. Of them all is lightning returns I'll definitely replay them all again if it got a remaster or remake i hope it happens
Well i hope they release a trilogy fixed and with ALL dlcs... i have a L'cie tattoo sooo im waiting for it lol
Loved all 3 so much that I got the collectors edition.
I think they're gonna release it in 2025 for it's 15th anniversary. It was released in the U.S in March 2010, but for Japan in December 2009. Announcement might drop soon!
Playing 13 right now. On my PS3 AS IT SHOULD!
I would buy a box set trilogy remaster/remake in a heartbeat. Square take my money!
You don't need game pass to play the games, if you have the discs you can just pop them in.
The FF9 Remake leak also said something about not being on the scale of FF7R so for a FF13 Remake they could take that route but I doubt it. I see them doing a remaster just like Crisis Core. Also with the NG+ for 13-1 and 13-2 please Square add a infinite timer to Lighting Returns as a NG+ or Endgame feature.
Fun fact an old leak was that final fantasy X was getting a 3rd game and 13 was getting a remake where all 3 games were now the main game
FF13 was all COMBAT. Once the game opened up near endgame, I wished it hadn't.
Don't forget that to save room on your computer for FFXIII, you can go into the files and delete all the alternate language options.
FFXIII is my favourite JRPG. I have it on PC. But i just want it rereleased so I can play it on my PS5.
I also realised that if there is a port or whatever I have to see everyone dunking on it and complaning about things that I find to be non-issues.
I would love a 13 remake, if they could nake it not an on rails experience. I actually love 13, but all the hallway simulation is my one complaint.
I need this triolgy on modern consoles! Great video!
There are definitely a few quality of life improvements I'd love for the first FFXIII:
- Allow Wide vs Narrow instructions for your teammates when setting up Paradigms
- Allow paradigms to be saved/loaded, or just don't reset them every time you change your team
- Fix the material/weapon improvement system to be less opaque, or rebalance to allow for people to be able to try out more weapons for each character without screwing themselves over unless they're meticulously managing their bonus multiplier system.
- Default to no minimap!! You'd be surprised how this ONE change can seriously change perspectives on the game for new players. Taking in the environment without having a constant reminder of you being in a *literal* hallway really makes a difference.
- Adding small town services, NPCs, sights, and whatnot to even just a few spots in the original story would be fantastic. Palumpolum and other spots are fully fleshed out, but don't have points of interest that have any bearing on you. Even just a few more things to do here and there, when it makes sense for the story, would be great. P5R improved on P5 a lot in this way.
FFXIII's pre-rendered cutscenes were phenomenal. I'd hope that if we do get a remaster they maintain that level of quality if they do end up switching to in-engine cutscenes like they did for FFXIII-2. The latter's were still good, but they always looked rougher to me on the PS3.
Lighting Returns (Can we rename it to FFXIII-3 now like it should have been?) really needs some rebalancing or direction though. I was able to get through it because I was working off a strategy guide, but the time limit is just too unforgiving if you're not managing it to an absolute T, and it's a huge shift in mental requirements compared to the other two. Couldn't get parents to be able to handle that, for example.
The thing with remakes instead of remasters is that it doesn't have to be a FFVII-style massive reconstruction, it can just have a lot of bonus content and continuity fixed. They infamously mentioned that they had enough cut material for FFXIII to make two other separate games, because of all the different ideas they went through during that development hell. Obviously some of that went into the sequels, and Versus XIII, but it would still be awesome to see some things reinserted, to give more foreshadowing about what happens in FFXIII-2 and LR, to give Jill more of a thing to do and rework some of the clunkiest of dialogue, and maybe to do right by Sazh this time instead of him getting the shaft.
Anyway.... Hoping the rumors are true! It's been too long since playing!
I like to add that Lightning should cast magic by shooting it from her gunblade. I love that gunblade and cannot believe they removed it from the sequel. Also level redesign too. ☕
I really want to play XII. I don't care if people hate or it's bad. I want to play and I want it now
Can't tell if you missed the third "I" in XIII or not, as XII is playable on basically everything. I would now, I bought it on basically everything.
If they do a remaster I'd like them to allow respeccing in 13-2 because with the leveling system it was possible to mess up and ruin your characters and monsters. Also they should allow you to have more than one of the same type of monster because when you used monsters to transfer skills you had to use them up then catch a new one and use that one up etc.
I think that with most of the FFXIII working of FFVII Remake, they got their hands full to move on with a remaster/remake of FFXIII. But the fact that the team is active and already has the blueprint to remake FFXIII (ironically XIII is essentially the precursor/blueprint for VII Remake…down to the music too…) to remake the game.
But honestly,the game is so goddam beautiful it just amazes me how it still stands the test of time 15 years later and don’t think it needs a full overhaul.
Ff13 was my first FF. And tho I've played 15, 16, 7R, 12. My favourite still is OG 13.
Yet you still haven’t played OG ff7, ff9, ff8 or ff10
Holy yikes. That is such a sad thing to know.
@@NAzo. For you, not for him...
@@jclosed2516 The fact that there are folks like you who exist I wonder if you say that even unto unhealthy matters. FF13 being one of them as there's a limit to saying such things when it gets to a point of not believing what is being said especially in comparison to what else the person has played. They're either lying or have a severe case of blind nostalgia as there are no redeeming qualities in a horrible character like Lightning. Snow is a piece of garbage whom the party should of died long ago under him. The two best characters are relegated to being side shows and had potential that being Sazh and Hope. Since you want to take up the mantle for the guy why don't you explain what redeeming qualities does a shiet game like FF13 have other the other games the person has played particularly FF7R.
My first FF is FF4 and I am not blinded by nostalgia to know that the game has flaws and takes away a lot of the immersion because of what happens in the story. FF4 isn't my fav game that's FF6. You don't like people like me challenging you on if you really mean what you say or not, too bad.
So you've only played the worst of the franchise, as if that makes your opinion any more valid, lol
I hope someday all the Final Fantasy games comes to Nintendo Switch.
With how Bandai Namco has treated the Tales series until recently, be thankful you only have these three games missing from modern consoles.
I'm currently playing the FF13 trilogy for the first time. And I have quite a lot of fun with it.
I loved 13 and lightning returns and even though I got clock master in 13-2 I will never do that or play that game for the rest of my life.
i just blew through the trilogy on PS3 again, we really need a Remaster. It has its issues sure, but Nostalgia is strong
Maybe they have some backend issues on their side, porting or upgrading it, something might not go as well and they need to take their time. Who knows
I just hope there's some proper work done to it. If they end up just giving us the PC or One X Enhanced versions with some tweaks, I'll be the first say it's better than nothing, but I'm not sure I'd pay for that. A remake would be cool but surely take longer
the game pass versions are there forever. if it leaves game pass you can still purchase those versions
13-2 was my favourite. The combo and having monsters fighting for you was so fun.
Them repacking games into bundle packs is why I'm just waiting for FF VII Remake Pt3 to come out since they will most likely put it in a All-in-One Bundle. They kept doing it for Kingdom Hearts, 1.5+2.5 ReMix, The Story So Far, All in One(WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE REMIND), KH Integrum Masterpiece(DOESN'T INCLUDE Melody of Memory)
After seeing the FF7 "Remake", this is the only FF title that I welcome a remake with open arms as there's no possible way they can make the story any worse than it already is in the OG.
Fav ff games and trilogy idc ❤🎉
I like lightning return. I like the combat and dress system. Collecting those dresses was fun and I don't really mind time limit in fact it makes me finish faster.
I wish more people got a chance to actually play the games. I personally love the first one(and will get to the sequels eventually)
Between a combat system that didn't want players playing it (auto-battle and stars for low fight time that the slightest use of the menu will prevent you from getting), the unnecessarily apostrophed gobbledegook of "l'Cie" and "fal'Cie" and "Cie'th" thrown around as if it's not extraordinarily confusing, the mostly uncompelling characters, the teammate AI making bad choices (I distinctly remember dying when expecting Hope to heal me as I was nearly dead, and he healed himself instead), and that awful main character death means game over mechanic, the ridiculous summon battles... This game was a train wreck that I have no desire to revisit.
Picked this game up late into the ps3s life out of a 3 dollar bin of games and was immediately captivated by the music, characters, lore and battle system. I was also a competitive gamer at the time so i did not spend a lot of time on it but every few years i get the itch to ppay ff13. It was my first final fantasy. Itll likely remain my favourite. Just picked it up again a week ago and o finally understand it all 😅. I just attained odin and im HYPE. praying for a remake or remaster ion even care 🎉
💚100% agree with all of your additions, one QoL of a remaster for the first game is the paradigm shift camera/wait time. That can ruin some fights waiting to act as everyone does their little animations. If we get a FFXIII remake...give us a Fang and Vanille prequel part showing us how Pulse before the decay and cie'th takeover or separate media like prequel game or movie.
Im surprised seeing how warm the comments here about FF13 as far as I saw, I thought its hated in general. My first 13 was Lightning Returns, I like Lightnings design alot, she's one of the best looking chara, but the story in overall is so confusing that makes me dont remember most of the story other that Lightning wants to save Serah.
I'd totall buy the games again (got all 3 for PS3 and PC), no matter if it's a remake, remaster or simple port. I just WANT it on console again (sold my ps3 v.v')
But I'd also dream of a remake that has the battle system of VII Remake/Rebirth, imagine how amazing that would be
If they put ffxiii trilogy on tge switch would give them a new home and new generations to play it was a great trilogy it would make alot of money
Got bored of 13 after a few hours but played again a few years later and realised why, it felt like the game played it's self and was veryone pathed. If a remaster would change that the I would give it a play.
I love 13 and 13-2. LR was a disaster and a huge disappointment though.
Here is what I think: Since they are Square they want to charge 60 bucks per game. But they know they cannot sell a collection of all 3 games for 180. The most people will pay is 90 for a collection. But that's only 30 bucks per game. If they release them one by one they maybe can sell the first remastered game for 60 but the other two games will not sell. So they have to sell them as a collection. But because the price they can realistically charge is not high enough they do nothing.
Fun fact: On XIII-2, you just have to flip one bit to bypass the anti-piracy code
The thing I hate it about the first 13 was in combat if your Party leader died it was game over. And that is literally my only hate of the first game
Versus 13 is in the whispers of nemuras work in kh4… maybe … maybe they’re granting him his final wish with making noctis full dark story.. 😪
It's baffling how misunderstood the Xbox ecosystem is. You can outright buy FF13, 13-2, and LR via the Xbox store, or by using your own disc via backwards compatibility. It's rare for games to be outright delisted. Games leaving the Gamepass service doesn't mean it's been delisted.
They are available on Gamepass but not exclusive to Gamepass. As part of Xbox's backward compatibility program all three FF13 games can be bought individually on Xbox's digital store and if your Xbox has a disc drive can be played directly with a Xbox 360 disc on Xbox 360, Xbox One and Xbox Series X.
i'd rather they remaster the games over take years to create a remake of the first one that we then have to wait years for the next 2 for
I'd love if they give it the FFXII TZA treatment and update/optimize some aspects of the game, namely the weirdly punishing weapon upgrade system. upgrading the weapons felt like such a huge commitment and didn't really allow for experimentation or mistakes, but also is entirely useless before chapter 11. would be nice if hey made more systems open up and become relevant earlier in the game, rather than saving the real 'meat and potatoes' for so late in the game.
You would not believe how rampant the hate for these games were back in the 2010s. It was pathological.
To be honest I want square to make a single player version of ff11 like I'm not the only one who wants that game to be preserved that game and the story even knows they'll have to do different gameplay
I love to buy a REMAKE :) adding the data logs to the whole story
I dust off my 360 and replay these games every couple of years- to this day they are still some of my favorite games of all time. People that sleep on the XIII trilogy are seriously missing out 👍
I'm sure they'll do, if nothing else, a full re-release of the XIII trilogy at some point, so that it can be played on modern hardware. It's probably just "too soon"; the games aren't ~that~ old yet and still look pretty great in my opinion, and Squeenix has had other projects on its plate. The XIII trilogy sold pretty well too, but it cost a lot to develop and market, so re-releases are a way to extract extra value from it without putting in too much extra cost.
I'm of the opinion that the XIII trilogy is super underrated. It kind of suffers from the Star Wars prequel trilogy syndrome: It came along at just the wrong time, where Final Fantasy fans had grown up and their nostalgia for the series had begun to crystallize, and XIII wasn't what they wanted, and they got angry about it. The original Final Fantasy XIII was like playing a movie. It was meant to be that way on purpose: It puts you there in the story yourself. It's grueling and exhausting, and you feel like you're there suffering with the protagonists-but in a good way, because you empathize with them. You feel what they feel. And the chase never lets up (till Chapter 11), so there's no rest for the weary. But this artistic intention went over a lot of people's heads and they just saw it as a giant railroad with no options. "Final Hallway" they called it. They wanted a more traditional JRPG, with lots of unguided exploration, which in XIII is limited just to Chapter 11. And separately we can't ignore the fact that there's a certain type of male out there who just can't deal with angry female protagonists. Lightning got a lot of hate that doesn't make any sense, because she was basically modeled off of the character style of the beloved Cloud. It's sort of like how people dump on Rey in the new Star Wars films for all the same qualities that they love in Luke.
Anyway, the angry old FF fans gave this game a lot of hate (and never even played the rest of the trilogy), which is fine to do as someone's personal opinion but doesn't really offer a good objective analysis of the games. But at the same time, their hate was drowning out the fact that a lot of younger players and franchise newcomers loved the XIII trilogy. These people's praise never got heard until many years later, when the angry old fans largely cycled out and the young fans who'd grown up loving these games began to have more of a voice. Nowadays you'll see talking about the XIII trilogy a lot more positively, and rightly so, because it has so much going for it. That's why I think that, at minimum, a re-release is inevitable. There's still plenty of appetite for these games, and they're still super accessible to newcomers to the series.
As for a remaster...I dunno. Does it really need one yet? You make a good point about some specific complaints, like the audio mixing in XIII-2, but do these little shortcomings amount to enough in the collective to warrant the expense of a remaster? I'm not sure that I see it yet. The XIII trilogy as it stands right now is still a higher-quality game in terms of production values and graphical fidelity than a lot of indie games that are coming out even in 2024. I don't know if I see the financial argument for doing a remaster, at least not yet.
And when it comes to a full remake...I doubt it. I don't think it's going to happen. Certainly not anytime soon. I wouldn't put too much stock into the social media comment; that's probably just the social media person at Squeenix doing their job properly and getting fans to engage and divulge useful information. If there is a secret XIII remake project underway, the social media person is not going to know about it. And in any case, the XIII trilogy development team inside Squeenix is actually the same one that's been in charge of the VII remake project, so they're busy until further notice. And XIII took a lot of money to develop in the first place, and didn't quite hit the blockbuster sales figures they were hoping for, even though sales were strong (I think only FFs VII and VIII sold more copies, and that's just XIII itself and doesn't include the rest of the trilogy), so Squeenix will likely be loath to invest the huge budget of a full remake, especially considering that the VII remake isn't quite hitting Squeenix's sales goals.
But if they did do a remake of XIII, I'd love for the characters to all get fleshed out more. The main six, the villains, the side characters. And a little more worldbuilding, as places like the Tower of Taejin felt like there was more exploring left to do.
That would actually be my main request for an XIII-2 remake as well. We never got to see enough of characters like Alyssa, for instance, who have really interesting story premises, and the whole Historia Crux system had a lot of potential for timeline shenanigans that was never fully realized.
Lightning Returns is another ball of wax: I love the intensely personal focus on Lightning herself to the exclusion of other characters, and I actually think it was really well-done. If that game were to be remade, I'd just want them to bring in Ali Hillis again and have her record a bunch of extra dialogue fleshing out Lightning herself even more! Lightning is easily my favorite Final Fantasy main protagonist of all time, assuming we don't count Celes from way back in Final Fantasy VI as the main protagonist of that game.
I seriously love the FF13 trilogy , they are amazing imo ! And my most absolute favorite character is certainly Lightning farron !💖😍💕 she's badass and gorgeous ! And as for what you have said . I would like either a remaster, remake , DLC outfits, EXTREMELY hard difficultly, and stuff like those. It all sound FIRE !🔥🤩
I started a playthrough of 13 on steam deck last week (runs great btw). First time touching have since original launch. At chapter 8. I corridors don't bother me as much as i thought. Main complaint, and not sure how to fix, is that it takes forever for combat to get interesting.
Unfortunately, that's the combat for the rest of this game and the next. It doesn't change until FF13-3 which is more or the less the model that FF7R now uses
FF13-2 is a gem! Top 5 of all FF’s!
I'm confused and must have been very lucky. I went through 13 and 13-2 last year and 13-2 gave me no problems at all playing it to completion on steam.
The minimum they got to do is up the textures, up to 4k resolution, unlocked fps, and make is freaking work on modern hardware. Ultrawide screen support would be nice, but we all know SE can't bother with that.
13-2 Pokemon and final fantasy mashup never stood out to me.
I clicked on this for the nintendo packaging.
if they remake or remaster it, fine, but they'd better not censor any costumes or dialog. square has been known to do that a lot recently.
I have to be honest, I briefly played this when it first released and judged it rather harshly. Something about that first 2 hours just grinded with me bad. I do agree that most of the series is linear, but many of the games give you some level of open space to roam in freely early on. The battle system is also quite different, so that is offputting too.
Crazy how most of the classic mainline FF are remastered and available on newer PS and even the switch now except for 13 and the only explanation I have is that it was in the awkward ps3 era. I notice a lot of ps3 games (at least the ones I’ve played) haven’t been remastered or ported. Another is Drakengard 3 which never got ported despite being somewhat popular but other older drakengard and nier games got ported or remade. The difference was drakengard 3 was on ps3, same as ff13.
13 so beautiful that I still play it