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Brayden Dukes You can’t have a gay Christian. You can have a blasphemous person that’s gay, but homosexuality and Christianity doesn’t mix. Scripture is quite upfront and direct about how God feels about homosexuality.
Vince well since you are here......Jesus Loves you and wants to forgive you of your sins, accept the free gift of Grace and eternal Life by accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior! Thx:)
Niall Horan I agree (and they have the right to) but there can only be one absolute truth, and thats Jesus The Truth The Way The Life, this was Jesus' claim, no other "religions" claim this.
Wow the Christian girl She like puts God before herself and not like selfish at all Even as a Christian, I find that hard when it comes to big decisions
The more you put God first, the easier it will come that you can do so. Especially, with big decisions. As humans, we tend to think we need to exert our own will on everything instead of following God's Will.
Wow. Emily (the Christian woman) has a true gift. She explains things so well in such a loving way and always brings it back to Christ. There is clear evidence of a fruitful relationship with Christ in her. This was such a tastefully made video and they were both so respectful. Loved it!
She wasn’t loving at all just because she was calm doesn’t mean she was loving she literally spewed bigotry& falsehoods the entire time In this video Emily demonstrated the exact opposite of the top command of Christ. Her exact attitude and you praising her for it just pushes people away from Christ in droves.
@@danielclingen34 I whole heartedly disagree. To me stating truth is not spewing bigotry. If there is a problem with what she is saying there is a problem with the Word of God which she clearly displays. Her calm demeanor wasn’t my source for my comment. She said everything based on her own experience and scripture, which if you are a true christian is the proper way to deliver scripture. With truth in love. (Ephesians 4:15) Speaking the truth (scripture) is speaking in love. I understand if you disagree, that was just my observation :) I appreciate your comment though.
I WAS BORN GAY BUT THAN JESUS CHRIST GAVE ME HIS SPIRIT AND NOW I AM BORN AGAIN WITH NEW DESIRES. JESUS CAN CHANGE US. THERE IS POWER IN HIS BLOOD. -My Testimony. Only Christian in my Home, Brothers and Sisters Pray for me. God Bless!
This whole comment section is filled with Christians, but praise the lgdbq queen she was as calm and was also give out the same amount the Christian woman was saying, so just saying give her pride to not just the Christian women
We are praying for the LGBT woman, that she can know that her Creator, who is also the Creator of all things, loves her very much, and made it so her relationship with Him could be reconciled. Also, that she can know who she was actually created to be.
@@anabelbarnes3524 No she wasn't. Also, I believe her Creator's words (which are in the Holy Bible) over yours, considering you didn't create her, nor did you create the universe. Those who don't want to accept the truth will finally understand it in the end, when it's far too late for salvation from sins. God is giving us the chance right now to chose eternal life. God left the choice to accept His gift of salvation up to us.
I think it's because even though the Christian woman disagrees with the other woman, she is still showing that she understands and can relate to her. It's teaching me something that if I want to reach someone's heart to share the gospel, I need to find common ground with that person and show that I can understand and relate to them and even though I do relate and understand, I still choose Jesus because it is right and He is the truth.
Christians are called to love. If we did not love you we would not preach the gospel because we want you to go to hell. We dont want that, we want God to be glorified in the salvation of sinners. We are all equally wicked and evil. That's what makes Jesus gift of grace so amazing, we don't deserve it but he gives it to us who believe.
@@juandrefourie8572 why try to stop people from going to hell if that's where you believe God is sending them. Do you disagree with your God? He is just in sending people to hell or isn't he? If your God doesn't want to send people to hell why can't he do that himself? If he does it himself what's the point of spreading the gospel? How many Chinese and Indians are going to hell compared to Americans? Is that just? You ever even consider these things.
Okay I hope I don't get backlash on this but being gay is not a choice. If you think that it is, be gay right now. Be attracted to the same gender/sex as yourself right now. See? It's not a choice. If you ARE able to be attracted to the same gender/sex like that, there's something you should know...
Just a question, can you explain how ppl choose to be Bisexual? Also, I’ll give you an example, why is it when men/women become incarcerated and have been straight all their lives then all of a sudden then become Gay when they enter jail. Is this based off of just sex/dominance or is there an actual attraction?
@@tylermasonheimer799 Thanks for responding! Like being gay, bisexuality is also not a choice. People who are bisexual have been their whole lives and always will be, even if they realize it later on in their lives. As for your example, I am by no means an expert, but I would say that people who have been incarcerated are traumatized individuals. While some may be gay, some may just need the comfort or what you said, sex/dominance of a same-sex couple. However, do not take my word for it. I am not an expert.
I don’t think its a choice. Being attracted to people is not a choice, but the choice is deciding to go along with it or reject it. Its like, as a heterosexual, being attracted to several guys but then choosing which one to be with. Or choosing none of them. As Christians I think it’s important we understand this. I hear people too often make it seem like you can just choose not to be gay. You definitely have to make choices against it if you do have that attraction but want to change it.
I love how they both respect each other. Living in a world where people would rather yell at each other then sit down and have a calm debate-makes me sad. But this conversation was nice. I enjoyed it
Wow first off these two were both so great with one another at having this discussion! It was one of these best videos i have seen on this topic. Secondly, as a Christian, this young christian girl is truly a remarkable example for how to speak to others regarding certain scriptural topics that can be tough to talk about but that must be talked about. I really loved how loving, respectful, considerate and truthful she was the entire time. God bless you both! This was amazing! 👏👏
Gordon Aufill without God you cant make sense of anything, you posted your comment knowing that it will mean the same thing later. Without God you account for these types of absolutes, like logic, uniformity of nature absolute truth. Outside of God (invisible friend) how do you justify absolute truth?
-@@eurekampangane7589 oh... Whoops. I'm just so sick of trying to bring people to Jesus when they don't want to in the first place. My energy is wearing thin. People are heartless, Jesus is not. I get what you are saying though.
Except with jubilee all the similar thinking guests just hype each other up. Because this is one-on-one it forces each person to actually think fully and articulate their own thoughts
Miss Lee yeah and that’s great but it’s the fact that they copied everything about the setup of it, from the prompts all the way to the thumbnail. it’s just weird imo
I really love this exchange. Both ladies so were respectful and emphatic towards one another, yet neither’s values or beliefs were undermined, overlooked nor ridiculed. The questions asked were also very pertinent and clear in discussing some of the key issues with regard to this topic and helping us to understand where we are all coming from.
am i the only one who feels bad for emily? i think that what she was learning from that bible study is invalidating how she feels. just talking about it she looks like she’s on the verge of tears. it’s confusing
No it seems that she does acknowledge her feelings but chooses not to act on them. When asked if the desire is still there, she says that it comes and goes and some days its hard. So she is not in denial of her feelings nor are her feelings invalidated. But she doesnt let her feelings control or define her, but rather let God take control because He knows best
What I learned from this is I’ll keep being with my girl whether people think it’s a sin or not. I’m happy, she’s happy. We try to be the best versions of ourselves and scripture doesn’t change that
@The RABBIT That's not the issue i'm adressing. Yes I understand people have their own beliefs and points of view, however the issue here is the some people have the nerve to believe that suddenly people will become straight. They are making it seem like its our choice to choose who we fall in love with. There are plenty of messed up comments underneath. @UCmptjlQy55WyBZDMy-oP3TA
@The RABBIT Ok so imagine you falling in love with your bff over time who happens to be the same gender as you. Its wasn't your choice really because you spend years knowing this person and you fell in love with them over time naturally. The choice you really have is to either act on it or not.
@The RABBIT Happy Thanksgiving🍁 i’m not sure what this argument is about. I do not understand what stand you are taking. We keep hopping from one argument to another.
The Christian planted a seed today. The gay activist will go home and this is the beginning of the change in her life, cause the truth remains the truth and what God says is the truth. I pray that God touches the gay activist.
Best conversation I ever seen on this topic. The respect, the understanding, and the will to share both side of the story without agreeing or being violent, respecting each other position not enforcing each other's opinion on the other person. Great, great, great video.
@@angie2989 Sorry, i thought this was a comment section, not a spelling contest. But as a norwegian where english is my secoundary language, i`m curious. How many norwegian words do you know?
When Adam and Eve eat the food of knowledge. The first thing the felt was shame and that Reason was because the did something that God didn’t want them to do. We feel shame or shameful every time we are doing something out of God’s will. When you give in to what the devil is telling you that’s when you start feeling a shame.
This, or ! Shame is based on what you're told and your own experience. "God" seems to have made us the same, at least, on what we feel is right or wrong? So why two people doing the exact same thing, for example, eating meat, is gonna make someone feel blessed and they other feel shameful ? Well well well...
al onytube When talking about Adam and Eve we can assume they felt shame. Not just because they ate the fruit but because they sinned. A person who ate meat and felt bad would be feeling guilty not shameful. I think Shame is connected to sin and is a natural feeling that comes afterward.
@@shininglightondarkness I get your point, but again I think it's safe to say it is just speculations ? While some gonna fulfilled their needs without any once of shame, other gonna feel like the world end by have just a taste of pleasure... It depends a lot on education and personal experience and can be observed quiet easily by someone who study this social behavior I personally as a child felt a lot of shame for things that never been spoked as ungodly! Like having a really bad haircut or saying a stupid joke in front of laughing kids etc, so by your logic, having and bad haircut or having a bad joke is... A sin? Because I can tell you, it wasn't guilt, it was deep shame and I think you can agree on that
@@shininglightondarkness In a more lighten touch, shame is the feeling of doing something we deeply think is wrong. But it always gonna depend on the person's personal experience, and by looking back on our education, we quicky realise we're just following what we've been told
From what I understood is basically. Christian woman: God is Love, God is the truth therefore, truth is Love LGBTQ: We define truth based on how we feel.
LGBTQ people define truth on what they feel. Hmm yeah, right. Don't you? When you feel attracted by the opposite gender isn't that a... Feeling? When you repent to God and find love, isn't that.. a feeling? Everything we do, we do it because we feel, that what makes us human in the first place, feelings
Love is a feeling. I’m also a Christian but let’s not pretend like the LGBTQ woman is simple-minded. Too many people in this comment section are making fun of her for talking about her “feelings”. The topic at hand is sexuality. Sexuality IS a feeling whether we like it or not.
@@alexism7800 We are only allowing this feeling because they are adults, you do realize that right? Because many things are feelings but we won't allow it... It can be damaging. Think about it, if a grown adult had only feelings for a child..? Would you say they are ..simple-minded? Point I am making is, feeling do not equal GOOD. I thought your bible taught you that. The bible taught us we must be truthful because being truthful is LOVE. NOT Feelings.
@@itsonytube1166 You may not like what I am about to reply to after a Year. But .. No its not. I read the bible myself and what it has taught me Truth is Love in that sense. Everything else is Flesh and Flesh can never be trusted. Flesh equal Feelings. The feeling is not Truth it is not Love. Feeling is just a biological reaction to something our flesh thinks is Good. Such as eating Sugar, eating something Greasy and it can make us feel Good.. But we all know it can lead to damaging our bodies if we don't control that feeling. So in a way I understand why the bible frowns upon same-sex attraction. It goes against what the sex of each body is meant to do. Reproduction.. So no, its not all about feeling.. a feeling is always flesh.. and flesh cannot be trusted .. we aren't suppose to trust our feelings but control it because it can lead to a sinful nature ...
the comments are so cringy, why are you guys praising the christian girl for acting how shes supposed act as a christian. this isnt crazy ,there are many like her but yall act like shes a different species of christian. that's just sad.too many stereotypes and christianophobia here smh.😐😪😒
These are the real discussions that other channels don't really express because they want confrontation and hostility, just to get more views..but thanks God for there two ladies and this channel.
the Christian lady is so well spoken, and you can tell she thinks carefully of what to say and how to say it.. to not offend , but also to speak truth. bless her !
@@blanketflunky9823 It's cool. The comment looks like it got erased anyway. Please understand God can do all things. This deception in your mind that he can't is of the devil. Once Christ helps you conquer your mind you can see clearly. I speak from experience as I had to overcome some things that were destroying my life (fetishes included) and i eventually realized i could not do it by myself, so I submitted and reached out for supernatural help. Be blessed
@@bodymore410 loving someone isn’t a fetish? Being gay isn’t a fetish, it’s a sexuality. God created us to be beings that require physical and mental companionship.
Love how this video ends with the Christian ‘giving advice’ (passing judgement) to the LGBTQ activist… but no parting words the other way around? The ‘Christian missionary’. Ooof
Not every thought we have comes from us. This is great to truly know and understand, or we would all be crazy! Thoughts can come from our flesh (ourselves), from God, or from the enemy (Satan and his demons). Learning to discern between these thoughts is crucial and is really a battlefield of the mind. We begin to become stronger in overcoming and taking any thought not from Christ captive. It doesnt mean the thoughts from our flesh and the enemy wont stop coming; we just become more equipped to handle them. When we submit to God even in our thoughts and resist the devil, the devil will flee. Also, we renew our mind with the Word of God which is life and truth to our very spirit! The Word brings peace and understanding. It brings purpose and clarity and beautifully lights our path! May I encourage those who read this, question the voices or thoughts that come to you. Who are they really from?
Heterosexual or homosexual Our sexuality should not define who we are. We are so much more, designed fully in our loving God. Very educational Ladys. Great job
Christian sister is so beautiful inside and out. Very gracefully and biblically she spoke and defended her faith. Praise GOD for what HE’S done in her life. God bless them both and may the other girl find herself wanting to know more about Christ and see how much she’s loved by HIM!
The key is being born again. When we are born, we are not born saved, or a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, etc. We are born as flawed human beings with a sinful nature that seeks its own pleasure. When we are born again through the power of the Holy Spirit, we receive the strength and power to live a new life in accordance with God's intended plan for humans to reflect his glory. Sexual orientation is a social construction that does not reflect God's glory. It reflects the human being's desire to be his/her standard for righteousness. The bible never speaks of sexual orientation; it only speaks of sexual behavior that is either inside or outside of God's plan. As a woman who has and still at times struggle with same sex attraction, I now understand that SSA may have come as part of my natural birth as a flawed human being, but it was nullified after my spiritual birth. I'm still flawed, but I no longer have to be a slave to the dictates of my body.
This was so good. I loved the both of them in this. The Christian woman gave truth and also related where she could and the gay activist was honest, not dismissive or offensive. I love how it ended with the encouragement to consider the things mentioned and the gospel.
This format reminds me of Jubilee's Middle Ground series. It was refreshing that both women didn't jump at each other antagonizingly. Also, it was really nice to see the ex-gay, Christian woman had a relatable past to the activist woman and she didn't shy away from her beliefs and kept calm and confident. Very good discussion video. Thanks, Anchored North.
Wow i love the ex-gay christian, her response was so christ like, especially at the end, just beautiful, brought me to tears. I envision christ was speaking to the other lady through her.
@@zenadiscipulo3944 don't be scared, look my suggestion is, don't get the thought about heaven or hell, God doesn't want you to be a christian and follow him only cuz you fear hell God wants you to follow him out of love and reverence, put whatever the world says is right or wrong aside, and put whatever the church says is right or wrong aside The Bible and the church are different things Take your Bible, sit down, pray, have a conversation with God, meditate on his word, seek for answers and you shall find them Call on him and he will answer you, it might be a long thoughtful process but dw you will find an answer, let this be between you and God alone and no one else, trust me I know you'll find an answer :)
Kindness is so important, especially in situations like these. You will never look into the eyes of someone God does not love. John 13 is a great one for this
SSA NEVER goes away, and getting a crush on a specific person still happens even after decades with an amazing opposite sex spouse you'd never ever cheat on. I never stop wanting to eat 3000 calories of ice cream or pizza or donuts either, but I'm mature enough to resist temptation much better now. I want better results for my life. Living by emotions produces mostly terrible results over time, often immediately. I learned that SSA usually means we admire beauty or skills or personality that we either really like or wish we had for ourself. There's no need to think SSA means we must touch that person sexually. Even happily married heterosexual people occasionally REALLY notice something admirable about others opposite sex people. Don't touch. Don't divorce to be with that other person. Just appreciate the likable things and get back to thinking what's likable about your spouse. No one is born doomed to do premarital sex either straight or gay, not supposed to divorce either. Properly done Studies have shown what's best for people to do and what's mostly problematic. God only commands what isn't easy for us. "Pray without ceasing " is one command I'm working on memorizing.
Born again atheist doesn't exist. and in your reply, "reason and critical thinking" We have critical thinking, we believe such creation has a creator. The Bible says the Earth was round, too. There is such thing as Christian scientists, infact, some scientists realize such complex things couldnt have happened because a couple molicules got to close and blew up
@@supportsniper4626 yes, born again. Born again free of superstitious mythology. I have now the beautiful freedom of contemplating things for myself; not simply embracing them because "the bible says..."
@@ringor5410 The Bible has scientific fact supporting it 9/10 times, and the rest it's ideologies like, "do not steal", "put no other god before Me" type of stuff. I have personally never used "the Bible says..." as an excuse for anything, just to show fellow Christians and others what the Bible does in fact say. And about superstitious mythology, Jesus, unlike fake gods like Zeus and Hades of the old days, has proof of actually existing before, that he DID exist, and some proof that He might have been resurrected, and the Bible reinforces that, these people are witnesses of Jesus resurrection. Most Christians, too, are against common superstitions.
Well done, I’m a ex lesbian but more than that I am a Christian. Proverbs 14:12 and 16 :25 tells us that there is a way that seems right to us but in the end that way leads to death. While living in the lesbian lifestyle I felt loving rejection from the church. But more so now that I live a lifestyle rejecting those feelings of same sex attractions within my self I have endured much more ridicule and rejection from lesbian/gay peers.
Nicole Llih I think that there’s just who you are before Christ and who you become after, it doesn’t matter who you were before so long as you’re ready to lay it all down for him to take care of. God’s design is awesome. It’s the best possible thing for us and any deviations (sin) fall short of the perfection he has planned for us.
Nicole Llih I believe in a God that has no problem doing impossible things if he wants to. It’s impossible for one human to convert someone but I believe when God truly reveals himself to someone anything is possible.
This was so wonderful and so respectful. This is how we, the body of Christ, should discuss Gods definition of right and wrong. With love, gentleness and respect, while still standing up for God’s truth. Bravo!
I think that both these people did something that was very hard. They both had opposite views and discussed them with respect and understanding this was a really cool video and I'm glad people can still have civil conversation about contreversal things
Emily Thome, what an incredible and grace-filled way to discuss this topic. It was honest and filled with truth, yet you listened to everything that your peer had to say. Truly listening to listen and not to react, this conversation gave me a sense of hope to have open conversations with others about our truth and what that means when stating our faith.
@@Who_can_save_you_from_hell its a spiritual enlightenment not an offensive language or fundamentally disgraceful in any way towards any "human beings".
I LOVE these two ladies!! I wish all discussions could be like this!!! Please pray for both these young ladies!!! Of course I agree more w/ the lady on my left BUT I Love and will pray for the other young lady as well!! This is just proof of how the word HATE has been cheapened by the media (and rap culture) to mean disagree!!! No person who loves Christ could EVER hate the lady on the right hand side but to disagree and tell her so is LOVE!!!
As an ex-gay Christian myself, this hit hard. During the period of time that I was having those thoughts and followed through with them, I still felt incomplete, and progressively more disconnected with spirituality, which is my connection to God, the most important thing to me. When I look back at myself, I was in such a dark place even aside from just thinking I was gay and having anxiety about it. It wasn’t worth it to me to have so much change over something flesh-driven. Even though Ive began to rid myself of those thoughts and the whole lifestyle in general, I still have felt the battle of temptation and lust since, which I absolutely refuse to lose to. I now focus so much more on my soul than I ever did before. Regarding the activist woman, God did create us and rules our souls, BUT there is an evil force that creates negative feelings, which is why people have these battles followed with self hate, lust, and confusion that make them want to run to the people going through the same battles and stay there. She said herself she’s glad she has that community to run into the cave with them. That’s not a feeling from God.
I was raised in a Christian home. I was NEVER taught to hate others. No matter what. I was taught to “love the sinner and hate the sin”... I was taught to love the PERSON whether I agreed with the decision that person made or not. I was taught to LOVE... point blank period.
I respect religious freedom and i respect all people who aren’t hurtful to others. However, you cannot be an “ex-gay”. You cannot change your own sexuality. Conversion therapy is dangerous and hurtful and should be banned, especially if it’s not consentual. Just as you can’t make a straight person gay you can’t make a gay person straight.
Just because you dont believe in her testimony does not mean that it invalidates it. It's her life and her experience. You don't know her personally and you were never a part of her life to know what her life was really like to come to the conclusion that she's not ex gay and that she's still a lesbian. Plus you don't believe in God or his word but she does qnd experienced it herself. She willingly chose to follow God and was not forced. She went to that Bible study because she chose to. There are plenty of gay people who were forced to go to some therapy and they did not change. They said it themselves. It was hell for them qnd traumatized them. But she did not go to therapy. She only went to a Bible study. She wasn't forced. And she changed for God herself not because someone else forced and told her to.
@@maddienicole7405 Oh my god... I'm cringing for you. Hitler was a Christian who openly criticized atheism. I'm not sure why you're bringing up Hitler in the first place, since unlike you, I'm not cowardly enough to try to equate Hitler being a Christian as the reason for doing what he did. Because that would be completely dishonest.... right...? This is all searchable information that you can verify yourself, but *more importantly* , how were you not already educated on this? Literally everyone learns this in school. What school did you get your high school diploma from? Because 😳
@@joethehobo89 I hate when people bring up Hitler too because it's such a non-sequitur every time but he was strongly against the Christian faith although he "praised" it in public. He was against any kind of religion or mysticism and in private he would constantly rail against the church calling it "absurdity", nonsense founded on lies and planned on eliminating the the Christian faith from German culture for good. In fact many Catholic and Protestant Clergymen from Germany, Poland, Austria and Slovenia were either killed or sent to concentration camps.
@@julianpombo328I can't tell if you're being serious or not if this is a joke. You're saying Hitler, the man who radicalized an entire population to commit mass genocide against their own people and cause a world war, only "praised religion in public" because he waned to be politically correct? There's no way you really fell for this... right...?
I know men that were gay, and are now born again and seeking with all their hearts to have a wife and kids. God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble and will deliver any gay person from the spirit of homosexuality. Because all it is is a corrupted spirit of lust that comes out when a person repents and is delivered. But the hard part is being humble and accepting you need help and repenting. But anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! And His word does not come back void. What He said will be fulfilled. Those who tolerated this are now embracing it today, and tomorrow they will fight against us until we are silenced. With what authority do I say all this? Since I was born again I don’t practice sin anymore and I’ve cast out many demons out of people that comes out screaming and kicking with power of the Holy Spirit. Believe the Word, it’s true. This life is temporary, eternity is forever, put your pride aside and come to Jesus, He is God who became flesh so that His creation will know Him and be saved through Him. God bless.
I was born in a Christian family and latley I've been questioning my sexuality, and I came out to myslef as bi, and I was really conflicted beacuse I feel ashamed, but this video really helped clarify things for me and the converstion and perspectives are really good, and now I know how to look at the situation. Thank you for this video !
This seems cultish :( she’s smart though. Meeting a similar guy who was smart turned his life around when he was in jail. If people need this guidance I have no qualms. But this is such a selective take on Christian books.
Even though the name of this is 'vs' I really don't feel that's how the conversation went. It seemed like a really safe space to speak openly. Well done to both these women for putting themselves out there and talking about what they believe in. It's so inspiring to hear what both of them have to say.
Guys guys guys I put my hair in a ponytail and put my hood on and fixed my hair to look like a boy and people called me they them all day I was at school
not all christian’s are homophobic, i know for fact although i’m not christian but have many christian friends who vibe with me and tell me to go get a girlfriend finally 💀
“As a Christian I think.... , as a Christian I feel...... , as a Christian I believe.....” What about as a human? Not until you put down your prayer book and start feeling as a human, you’ll never see her point of view.
There is a lot of discussion here centered around the Christian girl, who was very well spoken for sure. But I can relate with a lot of what the LGBT individual was saying. But something that wasn't really dug into in this conversation was the how members of the LGBT community has been treated by the church. Countless individuals today have been shunned from their families or exhiled from their Church for the mere mention that they could be gay. Often left to their own devices and abandoned in a world where their only "help" or "guidance" they receive from the church is to suppress your feelings, while their hetero counterparts have their sexuality and marriages celebrated in front of them, while they are "blessed" by being alone, and dealing with these extremely confusing feelings on their own. Picture for a moment about what that feels like. It's not just a trial that they have to work through, but something they'll have to endure for their entire life.. The LGBTQ girl says she still believes in God. Which is fantastic. But if the church really wants to make a difference and save souls they need to find a better way to reach out and relate to gay individuals. Acknowledge possible out of context interpretations of the Bible, and stop trying to convince LGBT members that God will change your sexual desires because He won't. It can be argued that He's the one that. Put them there in the first place. Anyway. That was pretty drawn out. Both girls did a great job in this video.
Of course one cannot defend how every church and Christian has responded to homosexuality in their families and friends. However, balance and clear distinctions need to be made. As the Christian in the video said, she believes those who practice homosexuality "will not enter the kingdom of God." The view of homosexuality in the bible is universally negative and husband-wife marriage celebrated, affirmed and honoured far more than American secular society does (the bible teaches God himself puts husband and wife together in marriages). The New Testament teaches the local church to bring discipline to members who profess to be Christians and yet refuse to recognise biblical sexual ethics. So that means disfellowship etc. Yet, the bible also teaches "such were some of you. But you were washed, sanctified, justified..." (paraphrase of what the Christian quoted). The bible also talks about the forgiveness of sins through Jesus, and that is what all people need. Point being, we need to be fair to Christians who are trying to do what the bible teaches and draw lines where they need to be drawn. Indeed the church always needs to show love to fellow sinners at the same time.
@@SamOwenI the Bible also teaches in the same passage that eating shrimp, and pork and wearing two different types of fabric is a sin. Yet people today pay no attention to those verses. It's probably because they paid attention to the context I in which those verses took place. Eating pork and shrimp for example back then was an extremely dangerous thing to do because their flesh can cause a human to get sick. In the context of homosexuality, being gay wasn't uncommon it was a normal thing to do, some scholars read it in terms of of the context of what was happening at the time which was a population shortage, and them needing people to pro create for the survival of their society. Straight biblical literalists have no reason to look into the context of what was happening surrounding that passage, and believe that fallable translation of the Bible over millennia is some how perfect because their lives aren't the ones that are affected by the passage. The church today does need to set moral boundaries but they also need to stop cherry picking the Bible and teach the word in context of when it was written instead of blindly reading every word without thought and spitting it out to the public..
@@metroidhalo2 actually you are mistaken. That was a quote of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Take a look and then respond. What was Paul trying to communicate when he said, "Do not be deceived."? Take a look. Do you think there's any possibility you may have been deceived over this issue?
@@SamOwenI that's actuality a perfect example. In the new king James version the word homosexuals have been used, in the king James version the word effeminate was used which leaves an open ended translation in mind. Effeminate has also been interpreted as soft or women like. Which could also be describing the man's character vs his sexual nature. The translation after is the only one that uses the word homosexual. Even the direct Hebrew translation doesn't use the word or is referring to homosexuality
@@metroidhalo2 it means men who have sex with men. Paul uses words from the Septuagint to describe the act. He is very clear. You must recognise the bible is very clear on what marriage is. Husband and wife, bound together by God (Matthew 19). Every form of sexual activity outside of that is condemned in the bible.
So proud of the dialogue between both of them. I believe a seed has been planted and it will germinate and grow fruitfully. As Christians, we can bring others to our maker by lovingly dividing the truth before them. This calmness is divine ❤❤
I’m a Christian ✝️ and I have love for the lgbqt whatever bc the church pushes them away but we need to show true agape love so they can truly see the love of God in us. Yes it’s wrong and most of the time done of them were sexually abused as a child or it’s just a spirit of confusion. God is not the author of confusion he does things decent and in order. It’s a confused spirit. Think about it. A man gets molested by a another man as a child... now he wears a purse. 🤷🏽♀️ confusion
@@antcross8623 No, Jesus didn't die for us so that people could keep on living sinful lifestyles, he died so that they could receive forgiveness for their sins and repent, it was never a licence to sin. Furthermore here's what the Bible says: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 _Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, _*_both participants in same-sex intercourse,_*_ thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom. That is what some of you used to be! But you were washed clean, you were made holy to God, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God._
@@awakenedone7577 great points guys, I would encourage you to look at the context of Paul's letter to the church in corinth. There is always context, culture and history involved. I've been reflecting on how Jesus approaches the woman (and man) caught in adultry in John 8. I think he encompasses this entire debate in how he handles this situation. May the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus ✌
I really admire this Christian girl. Her responses are full of understanding and grace, and she seems very grounded in her beliefs so much so that she can say exactly what she believes without looking embarrassed for it or having to beat around the bush. That's where I would like to be in my faith..
You can reach that point, we all can if we pray and ask Jesus, and grow in Him. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7
Roman Rendon How is she talking about it like it is a cult? I am new in my walk and relationship with Jesus Christ, as well as our Heavenly Father. I have been to a church where I’ve felt as if they were a cult, but churches don’t even teach the Bible fully anymore so I can’t really base anything about Christianity off of that. I thought that the Christian woman in this video was speaking pure scripture and backing it up with valid points. I am wondering why you believe she’s speaking about it like she’s from a cult because I feel I may be missing something
Thank you for watching Honest Discourse. We are so thankful to bring people with differing perspectives together for meaningful conversations. As the discussions continue in the comments, we encourage you to engage kindly. The spirit of this format is “discuss, don’t demonize.”
Thank you for getting a Christian who was also gay, it would have been so lopsided had she not been gay. I really liked the respect for each other
Brayden Dukes
You can’t have a gay Christian.
You can have a blasphemous person that’s gay, but homosexuality and Christianity doesn’t mix.
Scripture is quite upfront and direct about how God feels about homosexuality.
Long Tall totally agree
Long Tall WAS
Brayden Dukes this Christian used to be gay,as in changed.
@@olglory4648 they said "was gay" as in past tense.
I was wondering why there were only christians in the comments. Just realised this was a christian channel, not Jubilee. 💀
Vince well since you are here......Jesus Loves you and wants to forgive you of your sins, accept the free gift of Grace and eternal Life by accepting Jesus as Lord & Savior! Thx:)
Ahaha aha same didn’t notice that until i read your comment lol
@@jesussaves2131 You do know some people have different religions!
Niall Horan I agree (and they have the right to) but there can only be one absolute truth, and thats Jesus The Truth The Way The Life, this was Jesus' claim, no other "religions" claim this.
Lmbo! Didn't notice either guess they got the competition coming
Wow the Christian girl
She like puts God before herself and not like selfish at all
Even as a Christian, I find that hard when it comes to big decisions
Lareze DB humility is key
The more you put God first, the easier it will come that you can do so. Especially, with big decisions. As humans, we tend to think we need to exert our own will on everything instead of following God's Will.
Lareze DB I agree hun
@@chelelinda6062 REALLY?! I never knew that😳
Imagine putting your imaginary friend before yourself...
Wow. Emily (the Christian woman) has a true gift. She explains things so well in such a loving way and always brings it back to Christ. There is clear evidence of a fruitful relationship with Christ in her. This was such a tastefully made video and they were both so respectful. Loved it!
And we should go and do likewise.
No
@@shoe479 shut up
She wasn’t loving at all just because she was calm doesn’t mean she was loving she literally spewed bigotry& falsehoods the entire time In this video Emily demonstrated the exact opposite of the top command of Christ. Her exact attitude and you praising her for it just pushes people away from Christ in droves.
@@danielclingen34 I whole heartedly disagree. To me stating truth is not spewing bigotry. If there is a problem with what she is saying there is a problem with the Word of God which she clearly displays. Her calm demeanor wasn’t my source for my comment. She said everything based on her own experience and scripture, which if you are a true christian is the proper way to deliver scripture. With truth in love. (Ephesians 4:15) Speaking the truth (scripture) is speaking in love. I understand if you disagree, that was just my observation :) I appreciate your comment though.
Thank you for getting a true believer, really showed the love of the God wow
pff the "love" of "God". Glad you had the sense, in spite of yourself, to state that she is MERELY a believer
I'm sorry but honestly listening to the LGBTQ activist really confused me. The Christian really seems to have a solid point of belief
Mark Howell-PaulAgain cause its pure truth! Truth has no lies and plot holes; all objective.
I agree. I feel like she was very hard to follow and she seemed to have a very fluid foundation.
They just speak and act based on feelings rather than sound logic and doctrine
Her “argument” was all over the place. Seemed like unorganized thoughts; a ramble.
Mark Howell-PaulAgain I felt the same way! 🤷🏻♀️
I WAS BORN GAY BUT THAN JESUS CHRIST GAVE ME HIS SPIRIT AND NOW I AM BORN AGAIN WITH NEW DESIRES. JESUS CAN CHANGE US. THERE IS POWER IN HIS BLOOD.
-My Testimony.
Only Christian in my Home, Brothers and Sisters Pray for me. God Bless!
Praying
Amen! 🙏🏾
God is good!
Its the enemy planting thoughts in your head saying ‘you’re gay’,when your really not.
PuraSepaSaved thank God u are born again!
This is such a brilliant concept to communicate truth. No judgments. Amazing idea
"truth"
i'm a christian and i'm not looking on whose better but i love how they had a good conversation.
This whole comment section is filled with Christians, but praise the lgdbq queen she was as calm and was also give out the same amount the Christian woman was saying, so just saying give her pride to not just the Christian women
We are praying for the LGBT woman, that she can know that her Creator, who is also the Creator of all things, loves her very much, and made it so her relationship with Him could be reconciled. Also, that she can know who she was actually created to be.
@@Keesha_Hardy she was created to be gay. Period.
@@anabelbarnes3524 No she wasn't. Also, I believe her Creator's words (which are in the Holy Bible) over yours, considering you didn't create her, nor did you create the universe.
Those who don't want to accept the truth will finally understand it in the end, when it's far too late for salvation from sins.
God is giving us the chance right now to chose eternal life. God left the choice to accept His gift of salvation up to us.
@@anabelbarnes3524 no
@@Keesha_Hardy if she was created to be straight then why is she gay. And don’t say it’s a choice cause it really isn’t.
Thank you both for participating in such an honest talk - this is a good example of listening well.
I was expecting a lot more hate to the Christian woman. I’m glad there isn’t, and I’m glad it wasn’t just me who respects them both.
I think it's because even though the Christian woman disagrees with the other woman, she is still showing that she understands and can relate to her. It's teaching me something that if I want to reach someone's heart to share the gospel, I need to find common ground with that person and show that I can understand and relate to them and even though I do relate and understand, I still choose Jesus because it is right and He is the truth.
You could not have said that better man.
Christians are called to love. If we did not love you we would not preach the gospel because we want you to go to hell. We dont want that, we want God to be glorified in the salvation of sinners. We are all equally wicked and evil. That's what makes Jesus gift of grace so amazing, we don't deserve it but he gives it to us who believe.
@@juandrefourie8572 why try to stop people from going to hell if that's where you believe God is sending them. Do you disagree with your God? He is just in sending people to hell or isn't he? If your God doesn't want to send people to hell why can't he do that himself? If he does it himself what's the point of spreading the gospel? How many Chinese and Indians are going to hell compared to Americans? Is that just? You ever even consider these things.
Okay I hope I don't get backlash on this but being gay is not a choice. If you think that it is, be gay right now. Be attracted to the same gender/sex as yourself right now. See? It's not a choice. If you ARE able to be attracted to the same gender/sex like that, there's something you should know...
Just a question, can you explain how ppl choose to be Bisexual? Also, I’ll give you an example, why is it when men/women become incarcerated and have been straight all their lives then all of a sudden then become Gay when they enter jail. Is this based off of just sex/dominance or is there an actual attraction?
@@tylermasonheimer799 Thanks for responding! Like being gay, bisexuality is also not a choice. People who are bisexual have been their whole lives and always will be, even if they realize it later on in their lives. As for your example, I am by no means an expert, but I would say that people who have been incarcerated are traumatized individuals. While some may be gay, some may just need the comfort or what you said, sex/dominance of a same-sex couple. However, do not take my word for it. I am not an expert.
I don’t think its a choice. Being attracted to people is not a choice, but the choice is deciding to go along with it or reject it. Its like, as a heterosexual, being attracted to several guys but then choosing which one to be with. Or choosing none of them. As Christians I think it’s important we understand this. I hear people too often make it seem like you can just choose not to be gay. You definitely have to make choices against it if you do have that attraction but want to change it.
@@toraokami5178 Thank you for at least understanding that it cannot be a choice.
I love Conversations like this!
TFK ray what?
@pablo suarez there are jewish Christians
Why tf are all the comments praising the Christian girl
because this is a christian channel and everyone who is praising her is trying to spread Christianity lol so obvious
@@JK-mq8ji oh I didn't know this was a Christian channel 💀💀
because she came from a believing 100% that gay is okay and can confidently stand up for why she realizes it was wrong
@@Katiabulks it's wrong to christians due to your beliefs but not to us so let's just respect each other's beliefs
@@Katiabulks realizes!??? You need to REAL-EYES !
Glad to see a young woman so strong in her faith. Well done.
Quiet Curious not really lmao. she’s a sad human being who obviously is having an identity crisis.
maybe. I saw a brainwashed adult-child
I love how they both respect each other. Living in a world where people would rather yell at each other then sit down and have a calm debate-makes me sad. But this conversation was nice. I enjoyed it
the difference between them is the one have found peace and contentment the other seems still be confused and longing for something. 🙂
Who is who acording to you?
yea , who and SO What anyway?
Jubilee rip off?
I’m joking do whatever.
Joecool158 I thought this was jubilee! What the heck! Lol
@@z.a.f3844 Me too, then I saw all the homophobes in the comments and I was like wait💀
Nah. It isn't cool. I don't recommend being a rip off of another channel/company/whatever.
@@samanthaweeb114 I knew it wasn’t jubilee when the Christian conservative wasn’t made to look stupid or dumb and was properly portrayed.
What a brave Christian girl!
Tala Habern wow😕
Tala Habern troll
Tala Habern Still a troll
Tala Habern Kk
Tala Habern Than leave. God bless you bye!❤️🙏🏾
Wow first off these two were both so great with one another at having this discussion! It was one of these best videos i have seen on this topic. Secondly, as a Christian, this young christian girl is truly a remarkable example for how to speak to others regarding certain scriptural topics that can be tough to talk about but that must be talked about. I really loved how loving, respectful, considerate and truthful she was the entire time. God bless you both! This was amazing! 👏👏
my opinion Amen, this should conversation should be put in every Christians witness tool bag. It was that well done.
Must be talked about!? It's a non-issue! But, hey, I'm not in a cult
I can’t imagine having to sit there listening to some religious person tell me how their invisible friend thinks there’s something wrong with me.
Praying 4U2.
Gordon Aufill without God you cant make sense of anything, you posted your comment knowing that it will mean the same thing later. Without God you account for these types of absolutes, like logic, uniformity of nature absolute truth.
Outside of God (invisible friend) how do you justify absolute truth?
@@jesussaves2131 There is no truth. Truth is dead... And you killed them.
Samuel Foresta you said, "there is no truth", is that true??? If yes then you just refuted yourself.
Do what you will. I'm going to follow Jesus. He led me to God and I've never been happier.
that's a Satan doctrine..." Do what thy wilt"....try not to associate it with yeshua...😊
But the culture needs Christianity and morals
-@@eurekampangane7589
oh... Whoops. I'm just so sick of trying to bring people to Jesus when they don't want to in the first place. My energy is wearing thin. People are heartless, Jesus is not. I get what you are saying though.
@@Melbot103 I feel that way sometimes 😂I thought I was the only one
Jesus is God.
this is literally an exact copy of jubilee’s middle ground
Except with jubilee all the similar thinking guests just hype each other up. Because this is one-on-one it forces each person to actually think fully and articulate their own thoughts
Miss Lee yeah and that’s great but it’s the fact that they copied everything about the setup of it, from the prompts all the way to the thumbnail. it’s just weird imo
I like this format than middle ground.
But everyone watching is Christian apparently
I disagree.
I really love this exchange. Both ladies so were respectful and emphatic towards one another, yet neither’s values or beliefs were undermined, overlooked nor ridiculed. The questions asked were also very pertinent and clear in discussing some of the key issues with regard to this topic and helping us to understand where we are all coming from.
am i the only one who feels bad for emily? i think that what she was learning from that bible study is invalidating how she feels. just talking about it she looks like she’s on the verge of tears. it’s confusing
Yeah I think she’s in denial
No it seems that she does acknowledge her feelings but chooses not to act on them. When asked if the desire is still there, she says that it comes and goes and some days its hard. So she is not in denial of her feelings nor are her feelings invalidated. But she doesnt let her feelings control or define her, but rather let God take control because He knows best
@@liyaaa101 "God" ya quack
What I learned from this is I’ll keep being with my girl whether people think it’s a sin or not. I’m happy, she’s happy. We try to be the best versions of ourselves and scripture doesn’t change that
@Tala Habern I completely agree.
Awww same here💜 thanks for commenting that! The homophobic comments were really upsetting me.
@The RABBIT That's not the issue i'm adressing. Yes I understand people have their own beliefs and points of view, however the issue here is the some people have the nerve to believe that suddenly people will become straight. They are making it seem like its our choice to choose who we fall in love with.
There are plenty of messed up comments underneath.
@UCmptjlQy55WyBZDMy-oP3TA
@The RABBIT Ok so imagine you falling in love with your bff over time who happens to be the same gender as you. Its wasn't your choice really because you spend years knowing this person and you fell in love with them over time naturally. The choice you really have is to either act on it or not.
@The RABBIT Happy Thanksgiving🍁 i’m not sure what this argument is about. I do not understand what stand you are taking. We keep hopping from one argument to another.
The Christian planted a seed today. The gay activist will go home and this is the beginning of the change in her life, cause the truth remains the truth and what God says is the truth.
I pray that God touches the gay activist.
She got it...I let my feelings dictate my life.
oh, what, so you just let a children's, "Christian" story run your adult daily life ??
Best conversation I ever seen on this topic.
The respect, the understanding, and the will to share both side of the story without agreeing or being violent, respecting each other position not enforcing each other's opinion on the other person.
Great, great, great video.
umm, I always get violent when I speak generally about what other adults do in their beds... NOT
“I’d rather much look to a Creator, perfect God than myself for truth.”
The core of the tradegy called religion.
*tragedy
@@angie2989 Sorry, i thought this was a comment section, not a spelling contest.
But as a norwegian where english is my secoundary language, i`m curious. How many norwegian words do you know?
Where do you get truth from ?
@@sveinunglidsheim5828 *secondary
So, your saying its a tragedy someone belives a perfect God and not am imperfect selfish person that they are?
When Adam and Eve eat the food of knowledge. The first thing the felt was shame and that Reason was because the did something that God didn’t want them to do. We feel shame or shameful every time we are doing something out of God’s will. When you give in to what the devil is telling you that’s when you start feeling a shame.
This, or ! Shame is based on what you're told and your own experience.
"God" seems to have made us the same, at least, on what we feel is right or wrong?
So why two people doing the exact same thing, for example, eating meat, is gonna make someone feel blessed and they other feel shameful ?
Well well well...
al onytube When talking about Adam and Eve we can assume they felt shame. Not just because they ate the fruit but because they sinned. A person who ate meat and felt bad would be feeling guilty not shameful. I think Shame is connected to sin and is a natural feeling that comes afterward.
@@shininglightondarkness I get your point, but again I think it's safe to say it is just speculations ?
While some gonna fulfilled their needs without any once of shame, other gonna feel like the world end by have just a taste of pleasure... It depends a lot on education and personal experience and can be observed quiet easily by someone who study this social behavior
I personally as a child felt a lot of shame for things that never been spoked as ungodly! Like having a really bad haircut or saying a stupid joke in front of laughing kids etc, so by your logic, having and bad haircut or having a bad joke is... A sin? Because I can tell you, it wasn't guilt, it was deep shame and I think you can agree on that
@@shininglightondarkness I guess, the more we grow up, the more difficult it is to make the difference between what's "true" and what's "us"
@@shininglightondarkness In a more lighten touch, shame is the feeling of doing something we deeply think is wrong. But it always gonna depend on the person's personal experience, and by looking back on our education, we quicky realise we're just following what we've been told
From what I understood is basically.
Christian woman: God is Love, God is the truth therefore, truth is Love
LGBTQ: We define truth based on how we feel.
Using that logic, Apple is fruit, apple is red, therefore all red is fruit.
LGBTQ people define truth on what they feel. Hmm yeah, right. Don't you?
When you feel attracted by the opposite gender isn't that a... Feeling?
When you repent to God and find love, isn't that.. a feeling?
Everything we do, we do it because we feel, that what makes us human in the first place, feelings
Love is a feeling. I’m also a Christian but let’s not pretend like the LGBTQ woman is simple-minded. Too many people in this comment section are making fun of her for talking about her “feelings”. The topic at hand is sexuality. Sexuality IS a feeling whether we like it or not.
@@alexism7800 We are only allowing this feeling because they are adults, you do realize that right?
Because many things are feelings but we won't allow it... It can be damaging.
Think about it, if a grown adult had only feelings for a child..? Would you say they are ..simple-minded?
Point I am making is, feeling do not equal GOOD. I thought your bible taught you that. The bible taught us we must be truthful because being truthful is LOVE.
NOT Feelings.
@@itsonytube1166 You may not like what I am about to reply to after a Year.
But .. No its not.
I read the bible myself and what it has taught me Truth is Love in that sense.
Everything else is Flesh and Flesh can never be trusted. Flesh equal Feelings. The feeling is not Truth it is not Love. Feeling is just a biological reaction to something our flesh thinks is Good.
Such as eating Sugar, eating something Greasy and it can make us feel Good..
But we all know it can lead to damaging our bodies if we don't control that feeling.
So in a way I understand why the bible frowns upon same-sex attraction. It goes against what the sex of each body is meant to do. Reproduction..
So no, its not all about feeling.. a feeling is always flesh.. and flesh cannot be trusted .. we aren't suppose to trust our feelings but control it because it can lead to a sinful nature ...
I was wondering why there were so many boomers comments on this video and then I realize it’s a Christian channel lmao.
👏thank you for this honest and open conversation!
the comments are so cringy, why are you guys praising the christian girl for acting how shes supposed act as a christian. this isnt crazy ,there are many like her but yall act like shes a different species of christian. that's just sad.too many stereotypes and christianophobia here smh.😐😪😒
RIGHTTTT!!!!! 💯💯💯
You better preach that gospel girllllll!! So refreshed to see a tasteful conversation!!
what gospel has anything to do with it?
Wow, this was amazing. Good on the Christian woman for the courage to speak the truth.
"truth" ya "Christian" cultist
"Ex-gay" I CACKLED
If u care about someone, the best thing is to give God's words.
These are the real discussions that other channels don't really express because they want confrontation and hostility, just to get more views..but thanks God for there two ladies and this channel.
the Christian lady is so well spoken, and you can tell she thinks carefully of what to say and how to say it.. to not offend , but also to speak truth.
bless her !
"truth". Where can I sign up for your cult?
Sin blinds. Sin will deceive you and hold you captive and you dont even realize it.
my love is not and will never be a sin, thank you.
I really appreciate this Christian Woman. She’s very grounded in her beliefs and her approach is very humble yet strong. I strive to be like her
I’ve got a question, if god is truly love, why does he hate two people in a wholesome loving relationship?
By who's standard is it wholesome? Or even love for that matter? God is love. Can't separate the two. Be blessed with his wisdom and understanding
Pardon my language
@@blanketflunky9823 It's cool. The comment looks like it got erased anyway. Please understand God can do all things. This deception in your mind that he can't is of the devil. Once Christ helps you conquer your mind you can see clearly. I speak from experience as I had to overcome some things that were destroying my life (fetishes included) and i eventually realized i could not do it by myself, so I submitted and reached out for supernatural help. Be blessed
@@bodymore410 I completely agree with you
@@bodymore410 loving someone isn’t a fetish?
Being gay isn’t a fetish, it’s a sexuality. God created us to be beings that require physical and mental companionship.
Love how this video ends with the Christian ‘giving advice’ (passing judgement) to the LGBTQ activist… but no parting words the other way around? The ‘Christian missionary’. Ooof
Dam! That close was deep, simple, concise and compelling!
ok
Not every thought we have comes from us. This is great to truly know and understand, or we would all be crazy! Thoughts can come from our flesh (ourselves), from God, or from the enemy (Satan and his demons). Learning to discern between these thoughts is crucial and is really a battlefield of the mind. We begin to become stronger in overcoming and taking any thought not from Christ captive. It doesnt mean the thoughts from our flesh and the enemy wont stop coming; we just become more equipped to handle them. When we submit to God even in our thoughts and resist the devil, the devil will flee. Also, we renew our mind with the Word of God which is life and truth to our very spirit! The Word brings peace and understanding. It brings purpose and clarity and beautifully lights our path! May I encourage those who read this, question the voices or thoughts that come to you. Who are they really from?
NOTHING quite like editorialising your way out of reality. Pathetic
Heterosexual or homosexual Our sexuality should not define who we are. We are so much more, designed fully in our loving God. Very educational Ladys. Great job
Sexuality is activity. Those are DECISIONS. Matthew 12:46-50
Christian sister is so beautiful inside and out. Very gracefully and biblically she spoke and defended her faith.
Praise GOD for what HE’S done in her life. God bless them both and may the other girl find herself wanting to know more about Christ and see how much she’s loved by HIM!
The key is being born again. When we are born, we are not born saved, or a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, a Hindu, etc. We are born as flawed human beings with a sinful nature that seeks its own pleasure. When we are born again through the power of the Holy Spirit, we receive the strength and power to live a new life in accordance with God's intended plan for humans to reflect his glory. Sexual orientation is a social construction that does not reflect God's glory. It reflects the human being's desire to be his/her standard for righteousness. The bible never speaks of sexual orientation; it only speaks of sexual behavior that is either inside or outside of God's plan. As a woman who has and still at times struggle with same sex attraction, I now understand that SSA may have come as part of my natural birth as a flawed human being, but it was nullified after my spiritual birth. I'm still flawed, but I no longer have to be a slave to the dictates of my body.
This was so good. I loved the both of them in this. The Christian woman gave truth and also related where she could and the gay activist was honest, not dismissive or offensive. I love how it ended with the encouragement to consider the things mentioned and the gospel.
This format reminds me of Jubilee's Middle Ground series.
It was refreshing that both women didn't jump at each other antagonizingly. Also, it was really nice to see the ex-gay, Christian woman had a relatable past to the activist woman and she didn't shy away from her beliefs and kept calm and confident. Very good discussion video. Thanks, Anchored North.
Wow i love the ex-gay christian, her response was so christ like, especially at the end, just beautiful, brought me to tears. I envision christ was speaking to the other lady through her.
yup! although you cannot be “ex-gay”
Im bi and Christian ✝️
Same. I'm scared I'll probably not make it to heaven tho :(
@@zenadiscipulo3944 don't be scared, look my suggestion is, don't get the thought about heaven or hell, God doesn't want you to be a christian and follow him only cuz you fear hell God wants you to follow him out of love and reverence, put whatever the world says is right or wrong aside, and put whatever the church says is right or wrong aside
The Bible and the church are different things
Take your Bible, sit down, pray, have a conversation with God, meditate on his word, seek for answers and you shall find them
Call on him and he will answer you, it might be a long thoughtful process but dw you will find an answer, let this be between you and God alone and no one else, trust me I know you'll find an answer
:)
@@samueljonathan5668 wow thank u! Christians like u are so rare.
@@zenadiscipulo3944 yup, well we're out there
you just gotta be at the right place at the right time :)
Kindness is so important, especially in situations like these. You will never look into the eyes of someone God does not love. John 13 is a great one for this
SSA NEVER goes away, and getting a crush on a specific person still happens even after decades with an amazing opposite sex spouse you'd never ever cheat on. I never stop wanting to eat 3000 calories of ice cream or pizza or donuts either, but I'm mature enough to resist temptation much better now. I want better results for my life. Living by emotions produces mostly terrible results over time, often immediately. I learned that SSA usually means we admire beauty or skills or personality that we either really like or wish we had for ourself. There's no need to think SSA means we must touch that person sexually. Even happily married heterosexual people occasionally REALLY notice something admirable about others opposite sex people. Don't touch. Don't divorce to be with that other person. Just appreciate the likable things and get back to thinking what's likable about your spouse. No one is born doomed to do premarital sex either straight or gay, not supposed to divorce either. Properly done Studies have shown what's best for people to do and what's mostly problematic. God only commands what isn't easy for us. "Pray without ceasing " is one command I'm working on memorizing.
I'm born again atheist 🙂
@Gaz Roberts Here I am; baptized in reason and critical thinking.
@Gaz Roberts Ok, I'll take one of each!
Born again atheist doesn't exist.
and in your reply, "reason and critical thinking"
We have critical thinking, we believe such creation has a creator. The Bible says the Earth was round, too. There is such thing as Christian scientists, infact, some scientists realize such complex things couldnt have happened because a couple molicules got to close and blew up
@@supportsniper4626 yes, born again. Born again free of superstitious mythology. I have now the beautiful freedom of contemplating things for myself; not simply embracing them because "the bible says..."
@@ringor5410 The Bible has scientific fact supporting it 9/10 times, and the rest it's ideologies like, "do not steal", "put no other god before Me" type of stuff. I have personally never used "the Bible says..." as an excuse for anything, just to show fellow Christians and others what the Bible does in fact say.
And about superstitious mythology, Jesus, unlike fake gods like Zeus and Hades of the old days, has proof of actually existing before, that he DID exist, and some proof that He might have been resurrected, and the Bible reinforces that, these people are witnesses of Jesus resurrection. Most Christians, too, are against common superstitions.
Well done, I’m a ex lesbian but more than that I am a Christian. Proverbs 14:12 and 16 :25 tells us that there is a way that seems right to us but in the end that way leads to death. While living in the lesbian lifestyle I felt loving rejection from the church. But more so now that I live a lifestyle rejecting those feelings of same sex attractions within my self I have endured much more ridicule and rejection from lesbian/gay peers.
Be strong! Stay in the faith! A crown is waiting for you! And the biggest reward is that you'll be with the Lord in perfect harmony.
Not.enough to.go.around thanks for the encouragement
You did well, Emily. Proud of you!
Nicole Llih
I think that there’s just who you are before Christ and who you become after, it doesn’t matter who you were before so long as you’re ready to lay it all down for him to take care of. God’s design is awesome. It’s the best possible thing for us and any deviations (sin) fall short of the perfection he has planned for us.
@Nicole Llih where's the science that gay people can't go straight?
@@Mindyobusiness89 amen
Nicole Llih I believe in a God that has no problem doing impossible things if he wants to. It’s impossible for one human to convert someone but I believe when God truly reveals himself to someone anything is possible.
This was so wonderful and so respectful. This is how we, the body of Christ, should discuss Gods definition of right and wrong. With love, gentleness and respect, while still standing up for God’s truth.
Bravo!
oh and what has your Christ got to say on the matter??
Christian girls got it down 👍
I think that both these people did something that was very hard. They both had opposite views and discussed them with respect and understanding this was a really cool video and I'm glad people can still have civil conversation about contreversal things
Emily Thome, what an incredible and grace-filled way to discuss this topic. It was honest and filled with truth, yet you listened to everything that your peer had to say. Truly listening to listen and not to react, this conversation gave me a sense of hope to have open conversations with others about our truth and what that means when stating our faith.
"truth" ya cult-banger
Live with so much more JOY! And be born again.
What mean born again?
@@Who_can_save_you_from_hell its a spiritual enlightenment not an offensive language or fundamentally disgraceful in any way towards any "human beings".
@@Mrod0306 You get born again trough spiritual enlightenment?
@@Who_can_save_you_from_hell if that's what you relate to to born again means. .
@@Mrod0306 What? I only wanted a confirmation, what you said in your comment,
So, for claritiy, please tell me last time: What means born again?
The way this "Ex-Christian" woman was smiling when she was talking about her relationship with a woman... mhmmmm definitely an *EX- gay*
I feel sorry for some Christians. I hope they will find happiness at some point.
We get our happiness through God
@@jaredfleming9967 mm, that spectacled, Cluster B mess don't look happy bruz
I LOVE these two ladies!! I wish all discussions could be like this!!! Please pray for both these young ladies!!!
Of course I agree more w/ the lady on my left BUT I Love and will pray for the other young lady as well!! This is just proof of how the word HATE has been cheapened by the media (and rap culture) to mean disagree!!!
No person who loves Christ could EVER hate the lady on the right hand side but to disagree and tell her so is LOVE!!!
First biast OPINION
Second to not hate her would mean to say gay rights are equal rights and not to make it seem "converting" her to be str8 is loving and nice
so bull 💩
Your Cluster B shumbles with specs looks mighty depressed
As an ex-gay Christian myself, this hit hard. During the period of time that I was having those thoughts and followed through with them, I still felt incomplete, and progressively more disconnected with spirituality, which is my connection to God, the most important thing to me. When I look back at myself, I was in such a dark place even aside from just thinking I was gay and having anxiety about it. It wasn’t worth it to me to have so much change over something flesh-driven. Even though Ive began to rid myself of those thoughts and the whole lifestyle in general, I still have felt the battle of temptation and lust since, which I absolutely refuse to lose to. I now focus so much more on my soul than I ever did before. Regarding the activist woman, God did create us and rules our souls, BUT there is an evil force that creates negative feelings, which is why people have these battles followed with self hate, lust, and confusion that make them want to run to the people going through the same battles and stay there. She said herself she’s glad she has that community to run into the cave with them. That’s not a feeling from God.
I was raised in a Christian home. I was NEVER taught to hate others. No matter what.
I was taught to “love the sinner and hate the sin”...
I was taught to love the PERSON whether I agreed with the decision that person made or not. I was taught to LOVE... point blank period.
Therefore you are taught to tell the Truth.
I hope you tell the Sinner that he is Wrong
Love is Truth
love her testimony
which one?
@@camerong5513 the Christian one
This was the most civil discussion i have ever seen between these 2 communities.
I was getting so pissed by many of the comments in this and other videos and then I realized it is a Christian channel...
They had such a calm conversation. That is how it is done!
I respect religious freedom and i respect all people who aren’t hurtful to others. However, you cannot be an “ex-gay”. You cannot change your own sexuality. Conversion therapy is dangerous and hurtful and should be banned, especially if it’s not consentual. Just as you can’t make a straight person gay you can’t make a gay person straight.
FAXX
Just because you dont believe in her testimony does not mean that it invalidates it.
It's her life and her experience. You don't know her personally and you were never a part of her life to know what her life was really like to come to the conclusion that she's not ex gay and that she's still a lesbian.
Plus you don't believe in God or his word but she does qnd experienced it herself.
She willingly chose to follow God and was not forced. She went to that Bible study because she chose to.
There are plenty of gay people who were forced to go to some therapy and they did not change. They said it themselves. It was hell for them qnd traumatized them.
But she did not go to therapy. She only went to a Bible study. She wasn't forced. And she changed for God herself not because someone else forced and told her to.
Did I read that right? Ex-Gay? Or are my eyeballs broken?
Yes, they actually used "gay" as a conviction, a belief.. whatever..
Wow congrats that made my day God bless you
"“I’d rather much look to a Creator, perfect God than myself for truth.” If this quote doesn't disturb you, then congratulations: you're in a cult. 😳
Hitler looked to himself..Look where he is. We ourselves aren’t capable to go about life in truth when we can hardly figure it out.
@@maddienicole7405 Oh my god... I'm cringing for you.
Hitler was a Christian who openly criticized atheism.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up Hitler in the first place, since unlike you, I'm not cowardly enough to try to equate Hitler being a Christian as the reason for doing what he did. Because that would be completely dishonest.... right...?
This is all searchable information that you can verify yourself, but *more importantly* , how were you not already educated on this? Literally everyone learns this in school. What school did you get your high school diploma from? Because 😳
@@joethehobo89 I hate when people bring up Hitler too because it's such a non-sequitur every time but he was strongly against the Christian faith although he "praised" it in public. He was against any kind of religion or mysticism and in private he would constantly rail against the church calling it "absurdity", nonsense founded on lies and planned on eliminating the the Christian faith from German culture for good. In fact many Catholic and Protestant Clergymen from Germany, Poland, Austria and Slovenia were either killed or sent to concentration camps.
@@julianpombo328I can't tell if you're being serious or not if this is a joke. You're saying Hitler, the man who radicalized an entire population to commit mass genocide against their own people and cause a world war, only "praised religion in public" because he waned to be politically correct?
There's no way you really fell for this... right...?
@@joethehobo89 Woah. False Prophet Here! I Pray To Shrek. That’s Truth! Ok. You’re Russian propaganda. And That Is Invalid. It did not work!
I hear a lot of confusion in the gay woman she seems lost but I do hope she sees the light after talking to the Christian woman ❤️
I love that this conversation is being had. ❤️
What!? Why should you or anyone care what any1 else does under the sheets?
I know men that were gay, and are now born again and seeking with all their hearts to have a wife and kids. God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble and will deliver any gay person from the spirit of homosexuality. Because all it is is a corrupted spirit of lust that comes out when a person repents and is delivered. But the hard part is being humble and accepting you need help and repenting. But anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! And His word does not come back void. What He said will be fulfilled. Those who tolerated this are now embracing it today, and tomorrow they will fight against us until we are silenced. With what authority do I say all this? Since I was born again I don’t practice sin anymore and I’ve cast out many demons out of people that comes out screaming and kicking with power of the Holy Spirit. Believe the Word, it’s true. This life is temporary, eternity is forever, put your pride aside and come to Jesus, He is God who became flesh so that His creation will know Him and be saved through Him. God bless.
Damn though this was jubilee channel then noticed the comments
I was born in a Christian family and latley I've been questioning my sexuality, and I came out to myslef as bi, and I was really conflicted beacuse I feel ashamed, but this video really helped clarify things for me and the converstion and perspectives are really good, and now I know how to look at the situation. Thank you for this video !
I was questioning my sexuality too, but I'm very thankful for this video because I was confused and prayed to God about it.
Don’t let them indoctrinate you. Loving someone of the same gender is not the same as any other sin. It harms no one.
Christian you are an amazing woman. Im proud to be christian.
She keeps saying it’s not a feeling but also keeps saying she feels.. so which is it??
It's also a spirit. A demonic spirit.
This seems cultish :( she’s smart though. Meeting a similar guy who was smart turned his life around when he was in jail. If people need this guidance I have no qualms. But this is such a selective take on Christian books.
bruh literally so confused how a random Google search led me to like a gazillion different websites and dropped me off here
Even though the name of this is 'vs' I really don't feel that's how the conversation went. It seemed like a really safe space to speak openly. Well done to both these women for putting themselves out there and talking about what they believe in. It's so inspiring to hear what both of them have to say.
Guys guys guys I put my hair in a ponytail and put my hood on and fixed my hair to look like a boy and people called me they them all day
I was at school
I take it that was your intention? Because if so, that's awesome!
@@LukaAlligood I wasn't my intention but I'm proud of them😂
I'm really disappointed in my generation. If this wasn't for jokes and memes boi.
What happened in your childhood sent you in that direction?
Just here to say that I admire the Christian woman here. What a beautiful example of a chosen and redeemed child of God speaking His truth!
not all christian’s are homophobic, i know for fact although i’m not christian but have many christian friends who vibe with me and tell me to go get a girlfriend finally 💀
You a boy or girl?
God will meet you where you are. My prayers go out to the both of them.
“As a Christian I think.... , as a Christian I feel...... , as a Christian I believe.....”
What about as a human? Not until you put down your prayer book and start feeling as a human, you’ll never see her point of view.
There is a lot of discussion here centered around the Christian girl, who was very well spoken for sure. But I can relate with a lot of what the LGBT individual was saying.
But something that wasn't really dug into in this conversation was the how members of the LGBT community has been treated by the church. Countless individuals today have been shunned from their families or exhiled from their Church for the mere mention that they could be gay.
Often left to their own devices and abandoned in a world where their only "help" or "guidance" they receive from the church is to suppress your feelings, while their hetero counterparts have their sexuality and marriages celebrated in front of them, while they are "blessed" by being alone, and dealing with these extremely confusing feelings on their own. Picture for a moment about what that feels like. It's not just a trial that they have to work through, but something they'll have to endure for their entire life..
The LGBTQ girl says she still believes in God. Which is fantastic. But if the church really wants to make a difference and save souls they need to find a better way to reach out and relate to gay individuals. Acknowledge possible out of context interpretations of the Bible, and stop trying to convince LGBT members that God will change your sexual desires because He won't. It can be argued that He's the one that. Put them there in the first place.
Anyway. That was pretty drawn out. Both girls did a great job in this video.
Of course one cannot defend how every church and Christian has responded to homosexuality in their families and friends. However, balance and clear distinctions need to be made. As the Christian in the video said, she believes those who practice homosexuality "will not enter the
kingdom of God." The view of homosexuality in the bible is universally negative and husband-wife marriage celebrated, affirmed and honoured far more than American secular society does (the bible teaches God himself puts husband and wife together in marriages). The New Testament teaches the local church to bring discipline to members who profess to be Christians and yet refuse to recognise biblical sexual ethics. So that means disfellowship etc.
Yet, the bible also teaches "such were some of you. But you were washed, sanctified, justified..." (paraphrase of what the Christian quoted). The bible also talks about the forgiveness of sins through Jesus, and that is what all people need.
Point being, we need to be fair to Christians who are trying to do what the bible teaches and draw lines where they need to be drawn. Indeed the church always needs to show love to fellow sinners at the same time.
@@SamOwenI the Bible also teaches in the same passage that eating shrimp, and pork and wearing two different types of fabric is a sin.
Yet people today pay no attention to those verses. It's probably because they paid attention to the context I in which those verses took place. Eating pork and shrimp for example back then was an extremely dangerous thing to do because their flesh can cause a human to get sick.
In the context of homosexuality, being gay wasn't uncommon it was a normal thing to do, some scholars read it in terms of of the context of what was happening at the time which was a population shortage, and them needing people to pro create for the survival of their society.
Straight biblical literalists have no reason to look into the context of what was happening surrounding that passage, and believe that fallable translation of the Bible over millennia is some how perfect because their lives aren't the ones that are affected by the passage.
The church today does need to set moral boundaries but they also need to stop cherry picking the Bible and teach the word in context of when it was written instead of blindly reading every word without thought and spitting it out to the public..
@@metroidhalo2 actually you are mistaken. That was a quote of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Take a look and then respond. What was Paul trying to communicate when he said, "Do not be deceived."? Take a look. Do you think there's any possibility you may have been deceived over this issue?
@@SamOwenI that's actuality a perfect example. In the new king James version the word homosexuals have been used, in the king James version the word effeminate was used which leaves an open ended translation in mind. Effeminate has also been interpreted as soft or women like. Which could also be describing the man's character vs his sexual nature.
The translation after is the only one that uses the word homosexual.
Even the direct Hebrew translation doesn't use the word or is referring to homosexuality
@@metroidhalo2 it means men who have sex with men. Paul uses words from the Septuagint to describe the act. He is very clear. You must recognise the bible is very clear on what marriage is. Husband and wife, bound together by God (Matthew 19). Every form of sexual activity outside of that is condemned in the bible.
So proud of the dialogue between both of them. I believe a seed has been planted and it will germinate and grow fruitfully. As Christians, we can bring others to our maker by lovingly dividing the truth before them. This calmness is divine ❤❤
"truth". Where's that cult o' yours based??
I’m a Christian ✝️ and I have love for the lgbqt whatever bc the church pushes them away but we need to show true agape love so they can truly see the love of God in us. Yes it’s wrong and most of the time done of them were sexually abused as a child or it’s just a spirit of confusion. God is not the author of confusion he does things decent and in order. It’s a confused spirit. Think about it. A man gets molested by a another man as a child... now he wears a purse. 🤷🏽♀️ confusion
He can love them but not accept their sin.
I commend these two for being very respectful towards each other. They are also both very intelligent and beautiful
Except the elephant in the room is one delights in her sin and opens a portal for all sorts of demons to cause chaos in this world.
@@awakenedone7577 you talking about the gay ik my man
@@awakenedone7577 And these are the people christ died for.He died for people like me and you.He died for people,all of them.
@@antcross8623 No, Jesus didn't die for us so that people could keep on living sinful lifestyles, he died so that they could receive forgiveness for their sins and repent, it was never a licence to sin. Furthermore here's what the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
_Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, _*_both participants in same-sex intercourse,_*_ thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom. That is what some of you used to be! But you were washed clean, you were made holy to God, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God._
@@awakenedone7577 great points guys, I would encourage you to look at the context of Paul's letter to the church in corinth. There is always context, culture and history involved. I've been reflecting on how Jesus approaches the woman (and man) caught in adultry in John 8. I think he encompasses this entire debate in how he handles this situation. May the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus ✌
I really admire this Christian girl. Her responses are full of understanding and grace, and she seems very grounded in her beliefs so much so that she can say exactly what she believes without looking embarrassed for it or having to beat around the bush. That's where I would like to be in my faith..
You can reach that point, we all can if we pray and ask Jesus, and grow in Him. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7
@@raquelsimoes7369 thank you, you're absolutely right!
shes talking about it like its a cult though
Roman Rendon How is she talking about it like it is a cult? I am new in my walk and relationship with Jesus Christ, as well as our Heavenly Father. I have been to a church where I’ve felt as if they were a cult, but churches don’t even teach the Bible fully anymore so I can’t really base anything about Christianity off of that. I thought that the Christian woman in this video was speaking pure scripture and backing it up with valid points. I am wondering why you believe she’s speaking about it like she’s from a cult because I feel I may be missing something
@@romanrendon6059 hahaha i feel like you are being petty