One of The Most Challenging Parts We Make | Saga Saturdays Ep 29

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 55

  • @doodysdaggers
    @doodysdaggers 11 місяців тому +1

    I really wish more knifemakers would take the time to do videos like this. It really makes people want your product that much more once they see the level of precision and skill it takes to make a knife of this quality! I know nothing about machining but I find it so interesting, keep ‘em coming! 🤘🤠

    • @Tortman18
      @Tortman18 11 місяців тому

      I wish all types of manufacturers, machinists and creators produced videos the way John does. I've been a Swiss machinist long before John even had a Swiss and I always walk away with something new from his channel.

  • @BerndFelsche
    @BerndFelsche 11 місяців тому +1

    "Second" time around from a blank sheet avoids legacy compromises in machining.
    And opens the door to new challenges. 😊. If you're not pushing to produce, then you can make better choices... perhaps backing off a number of steps to take a better path.

  • @chishgre
    @chishgre 11 місяців тому +1

    I'd look at machining your ID collet back more and putting a spring-loaded ring behind the clip to help your eject. Also, if you've got any open external mcodes on that machine, you could farmer-rig a tool-breakage detect switch on the side of your subspindle. You should be able to run all of that from a macro.
    Or put a star probe stylus on and probe in the X to see if your cutoff happened.

  • @davidwilliams-xc6kt
    @davidwilliams-xc6kt 11 місяців тому +7

    these are so cool to watch.

  • @fredwu8613
    @fredwu8613 10 місяців тому

    Just want to point out that you shouldn't be using dead length collet chuck with this type of expanding collet. The clamping area will thrust forward while actuating.

  • @tighttanium2692
    @tighttanium2692 11 місяців тому +1

    Your signature clips are awesome!

  • @GlassImpressions
    @GlassImpressions 11 місяців тому

    Keep the content coming John! Love it!

  • @poetac15
    @poetac15 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for posting

  • @eformance
    @eformance 11 місяців тому +1

    You have some very good employees! Do you turn the sub collet with a ring gauge clamped on the OD of the unmachined area?

  • @JDesignSwe
    @JDesignSwe 11 місяців тому

    Looks good, not sure how the lathe works with the driven tools and sub spindle, but would it be possible to make two clips back to back ( allowing the clip part overlap each other with 180 deg) that would reduce the wasted material but increase the bar length slightly.

  • @jonahmatanky9380
    @jonahmatanky9380 10 місяців тому

    Hey John, cool video. I bet you could make those on a Brother M200, and with some creativity (maybe a spindle gripper?) could even automate it as well.

  • @flikflak24
    @flikflak24 11 місяців тому +1

    Question
    Do you really need a ball end mill with that long flutes? Or could you use a necked ball end mill instead?

  • @Panzax1
    @Panzax1 11 місяців тому

    Lathing ? What I do on a lathe is turning ;)

  • @RossiDeakin0406
    @RossiDeakin0406 11 місяців тому

    New product alert ⚠️
    Saga flash light pen combo 🤔👍🇬🇧👌👏

  • @95dodgev10
    @95dodgev10 11 місяців тому +2

    Man that crash was quite the.. saga...
    I'll see myself out

  • @stephens4951
    @stephens4951 11 місяців тому

    Does your ball end mill need such long flute? If not shorter flutes would increase the rigidity of the tool. Which brand of endmill do you use for that?

  • @zviper
    @zviper 11 місяців тому +1

    clip looks fine John, dunno why you think something went wrong.... LOL

  • @aoverhage5181764
    @aoverhage5181764 11 місяців тому +1

    John: You might look into Keyence vision sensors. Super simple interface and you can check presence absence and it "learns" so you can tune it. I think they were like 10K, but you could easily prevent that much damage I would think. We had a demo from a sales person at work. Interesting capabilities.

    • @HudsonLighting
      @HudsonLighting 11 місяців тому

      Do you know which product in particular, I'm going to take a look at this, we have an issue with aluminium swarf and it could be worth looking at for night runs

    • @aoverhage5181764
      @aoverhage5181764 11 місяців тому

      @@HudsonLighting I think it was the iv2.

  • @Razzing87
    @Razzing87 11 місяців тому

    Have you though about looking at 3d printing for the clips?

  • @168mfg_ShawnNelson
    @168mfg_ShawnNelson 11 місяців тому

    Would love to show you something cool we make on our MT508. Super cool part

  • @davekeyes9660
    @davekeyes9660 11 місяців тому +1

    John does your Nakamura have Cut Off Detection?
    Our NTY3-150 has it.
    You command a G??? Just after parting off and before the sub-spindle retracts. The sub-spindle does a 1 or 2mm slow low torque retract and alarms out if there is any resistance.
    I cant remember the exact G code. I can check at work on Monday.
    I think there is also the ability to reduce the torque setting of the b-axis which is also useful for feeding on to the part during pick offs.
    I havent programmed the Nakamura in a while so im a bit rusty.
    Saying all that i suppose the Clip is a flimsy part so you might not be able to get your torque settings low enough before it alarms out.

    • @HudsonLighting
      @HudsonLighting 11 місяців тому +1

      It definitely does G3XX something I believe. Occasionally I forget to turn it off on single spindle parts and it errors the control 😂

    • @HudsonLighting
      @HudsonLighting 11 місяців тому +1

      Okay it's G300 B[#5026+1.0] this basically pulls the sub back 1mm and if there is tension alarms out.
      Also with the clip ejecting, if you drill a hole through the ID expand collet, you could use M48 to blast the chips and even the clip from the collet.

  • @590Basti
    @590Basti 10 місяців тому

    Why don’t you make a keyway in the collet and use a 2mm (or smaller) pin to push the clip of the collet and afterwards you can check if the pin ist still there with your tooleye?
    And sry für english 😅

  • @troyhetherington6744
    @troyhetherington6744 11 місяців тому

    Would this work better on the Tornos? Or even the WM?

  • @HudsonLighting
    @HudsonLighting 11 місяців тому

    Nakamura ❤❤❤
    John have you managed to do anything in particular to ensure you catch a part every single time?

  • @andrewnichols1470
    @andrewnichols1470 11 місяців тому

    What are those racks listed as on Amazon?

  • @Dakakeisalie
    @Dakakeisalie 11 місяців тому +5

    Every time you talk about the pen clip on BoM or here I can't help but think there must be a better way to make it that doesn't turn 85% of your stock into chips

    • @AlMg1SiCu
      @AlMg1SiCu 11 місяців тому

      Cheap pens make them out of stamped and bent sheet metal which is highly efficient and keeps waste to a minimum, but on a high end pen I don't think efficiency is the point.

    • @dustinwalden7091
      @dustinwalden7091 11 місяців тому +1

      He could mill and thread mill that bore off center and would be able to use a much smaller bar stock.

    • @seanparker3662
      @seanparker3662 9 місяців тому

      Maybe waterjet L shaped pieces out of flat stock and fixture them. That's what I'd consider if there was any substantial savings overall.

  • @snowgoer540
    @snowgoer540 11 місяців тому

    I thinks John’s version of “be a surgeon” and yours are vastly different… 😂

  • @goober-ll1wx
    @goober-ll1wx 11 місяців тому

    your website is down!

  • @importanttingwei7747
    @importanttingwei7747 11 місяців тому

    Not paying 900 dollars in a pen

  • @platin2148
    @platin2148 11 місяців тому

    Did you think about laser 3d printing for that part i mean must be quite expensive too loose that much material.

    • @MrMaxymoo22
      @MrMaxymoo22 11 місяців тому +1

      You could certainly print them, but then the $300 pen becomes a $600 pen.

    • @spikeypineapple552
      @spikeypineapple552 11 місяців тому

      lmao

  • @gertkristensen6451
    @gertkristensen6451 11 місяців тому +1

    not easy to copy for china

  • @gertkristensen6451
    @gertkristensen6451 11 місяців тому

    make it bigger

  • @muddasarakram419
    @muddasarakram419 11 місяців тому

    So, you don't run breakage detection on your tools for production...? That's not wise.

  • @MrOmarchingon
    @MrOmarchingon 9 місяців тому

    “Lathing” 🤦‍♂️

  • @SuperstarComponentsLTD
    @SuperstarComponentsLTD 11 місяців тому

    Why not mill it? Looks loads easier with a neat fixture and possibly mounting wax
    I’m always disappointed by milling done on a lathe. Lots of problems and dog slow

    • @stefanstahl617
      @stefanstahl617 11 місяців тому

      they bought a Willemin mill turn to do this

    • @SuperstarComponentsLTD
      @SuperstarComponentsLTD 11 місяців тому

      I sorta see the point on a willamin but it just looks to me like spending a lot of time and energy on forcing a mill part to work on a lathe just to get a round hole which is easy to do on both genre. If it was reliable to leave barfed 24/7 sure but it appears it’s not.
      That said always interested in different ways to do something. Stretching the brain cells.

  • @EldenLord84
    @EldenLord84 11 місяців тому +1

    Was recently picked for a Rask spot after years of waiting, but decided to pass on it. $990 for a very basic configuration. I love your work, but double the price of a Magnacut Sebenza for RWL34 just doesn’t make sense in today’s knife scene.

    • @MrMaxymoo22
      @MrMaxymoo22 11 місяців тому +1

      You want the Ferrari you gotta pay Ferrari money.

    • @EldenLord84
      @EldenLord84 11 місяців тому +2

      @@MrMaxymoo22 I own two Norseman and a Saga. While they’re certainly top notch, this is not a Ferrari vs Ford discussion when compared with CRK. One could argue that CRK and Grimsmo have similar quality and fit and finish, but you cannot argue that RWL34 is somehow better than Magnacut. There is simply no justification for the 2x disparity in price.

    • @MrMaxymoo22
      @MrMaxymoo22 11 місяців тому

      @@EldenLord84 my point was more about the brand than the quality. The Sebenza is the Porsche, it's just as good as the Ferrari, but it's not a Ferrari. I can't justify a Grimsmo knife, but I have a Benchmade. It's like a Lexus.

    • @Basement_CNC
      @Basement_CNC 11 місяців тому

      if you complain abaut the price on a grimsmo product ..... you shouldnt buy one😂
      there is no value here, its art (thats still usefull)
      and the cist is explained by the tolerances and the machining time of the grimsmo knives, it easily is 8x the amount of a crk, as well as the amount it takes to get a picture of every single knive online..... grimso is a custom semi-knive
      crk's are high quality production knives
      there is a difference, even if you don't see it or value it

    • @AlMg1SiCu
      @AlMg1SiCu 11 місяців тому

      Car comparisons aside, when you have a product that sells out almost instantly every time it's usually not a good business decision to lower prices. If people buy it, the price is right. That does suck for those of us who can't really justify it compared to lower-priced competition, but thankfully there are plenty of good options across the spectrum of price, style, and quality.