One of The Most Challenging Parts We Make | Saga Saturdays Ep 29
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2023
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I really wish more knifemakers would take the time to do videos like this. It really makes people want your product that much more once they see the level of precision and skill it takes to make a knife of this quality! I know nothing about machining but I find it so interesting, keep ‘em coming! 🤘🤠
I wish all types of manufacturers, machinists and creators produced videos the way John does. I've been a Swiss machinist long before John even had a Swiss and I always walk away with something new from his channel.
"Second" time around from a blank sheet avoids legacy compromises in machining.
And opens the door to new challenges. 😊. If you're not pushing to produce, then you can make better choices... perhaps backing off a number of steps to take a better path.
I'd look at machining your ID collet back more and putting a spring-loaded ring behind the clip to help your eject. Also, if you've got any open external mcodes on that machine, you could farmer-rig a tool-breakage detect switch on the side of your subspindle. You should be able to run all of that from a macro.
Or put a star probe stylus on and probe in the X to see if your cutoff happened.
these are so cool to watch.
Just want to point out that you shouldn't be using dead length collet chuck with this type of expanding collet. The clamping area will thrust forward while actuating.
Your signature clips are awesome!
Keep the content coming John! Love it!
Thanks for posting
You have some very good employees! Do you turn the sub collet with a ring gauge clamped on the OD of the unmachined area?
Looks good, not sure how the lathe works with the driven tools and sub spindle, but would it be possible to make two clips back to back ( allowing the clip part overlap each other with 180 deg) that would reduce the wasted material but increase the bar length slightly.
Hey John, cool video. I bet you could make those on a Brother M200, and with some creativity (maybe a spindle gripper?) could even automate it as well.
Question
Do you really need a ball end mill with that long flutes? Or could you use a necked ball end mill instead?
Lathing ? What I do on a lathe is turning ;)
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Man that crash was quite the.. saga...
I'll see myself out
Does your ball end mill need such long flute? If not shorter flutes would increase the rigidity of the tool. Which brand of endmill do you use for that?
clip looks fine John, dunno why you think something went wrong.... LOL
John: You might look into Keyence vision sensors. Super simple interface and you can check presence absence and it "learns" so you can tune it. I think they were like 10K, but you could easily prevent that much damage I would think. We had a demo from a sales person at work. Interesting capabilities.
Do you know which product in particular, I'm going to take a look at this, we have an issue with aluminium swarf and it could be worth looking at for night runs
@@HudsonLighting I think it was the iv2.
Have you though about looking at 3d printing for the clips?
Would love to show you something cool we make on our MT508. Super cool part
John does your Nakamura have Cut Off Detection?
Our NTY3-150 has it.
You command a G??? Just after parting off and before the sub-spindle retracts. The sub-spindle does a 1 or 2mm slow low torque retract and alarms out if there is any resistance.
I cant remember the exact G code. I can check at work on Monday.
I think there is also the ability to reduce the torque setting of the b-axis which is also useful for feeding on to the part during pick offs.
I havent programmed the Nakamura in a while so im a bit rusty.
Saying all that i suppose the Clip is a flimsy part so you might not be able to get your torque settings low enough before it alarms out.
It definitely does G3XX something I believe. Occasionally I forget to turn it off on single spindle parts and it errors the control 😂
Okay it's G300 B[#5026+1.0] this basically pulls the sub back 1mm and if there is tension alarms out.
Also with the clip ejecting, if you drill a hole through the ID expand collet, you could use M48 to blast the chips and even the clip from the collet.
Why don’t you make a keyway in the collet and use a 2mm (or smaller) pin to push the clip of the collet and afterwards you can check if the pin ist still there with your tooleye?
And sry für english 😅
Would this work better on the Tornos? Or even the WM?
Nakamura ❤❤❤
John have you managed to do anything in particular to ensure you catch a part every single time?
What are those racks listed as on Amazon?
Every time you talk about the pen clip on BoM or here I can't help but think there must be a better way to make it that doesn't turn 85% of your stock into chips
Cheap pens make them out of stamped and bent sheet metal which is highly efficient and keeps waste to a minimum, but on a high end pen I don't think efficiency is the point.
He could mill and thread mill that bore off center and would be able to use a much smaller bar stock.
Maybe waterjet L shaped pieces out of flat stock and fixture them. That's what I'd consider if there was any substantial savings overall.
I thinks John’s version of “be a surgeon” and yours are vastly different… 😂
your website is down!
Not paying 900 dollars in a pen
Did you think about laser 3d printing for that part i mean must be quite expensive too loose that much material.
You could certainly print them, but then the $300 pen becomes a $600 pen.
lmao
not easy to copy for china
make it bigger
So, you don't run breakage detection on your tools for production...? That's not wise.
“Lathing” 🤦♂️
Why not mill it? Looks loads easier with a neat fixture and possibly mounting wax
I’m always disappointed by milling done on a lathe. Lots of problems and dog slow
they bought a Willemin mill turn to do this
I sorta see the point on a willamin but it just looks to me like spending a lot of time and energy on forcing a mill part to work on a lathe just to get a round hole which is easy to do on both genre. If it was reliable to leave barfed 24/7 sure but it appears it’s not.
That said always interested in different ways to do something. Stretching the brain cells.
Was recently picked for a Rask spot after years of waiting, but decided to pass on it. $990 for a very basic configuration. I love your work, but double the price of a Magnacut Sebenza for RWL34 just doesn’t make sense in today’s knife scene.
You want the Ferrari you gotta pay Ferrari money.
@@MrMaxymoo22 I own two Norseman and a Saga. While they’re certainly top notch, this is not a Ferrari vs Ford discussion when compared with CRK. One could argue that CRK and Grimsmo have similar quality and fit and finish, but you cannot argue that RWL34 is somehow better than Magnacut. There is simply no justification for the 2x disparity in price.
@@EldenLord84 my point was more about the brand than the quality. The Sebenza is the Porsche, it's just as good as the Ferrari, but it's not a Ferrari. I can't justify a Grimsmo knife, but I have a Benchmade. It's like a Lexus.
if you complain abaut the price on a grimsmo product ..... you shouldnt buy one😂
there is no value here, its art (thats still usefull)
and the cist is explained by the tolerances and the machining time of the grimsmo knives, it easily is 8x the amount of a crk, as well as the amount it takes to get a picture of every single knive online..... grimso is a custom semi-knive
crk's are high quality production knives
there is a difference, even if you don't see it or value it
Car comparisons aside, when you have a product that sells out almost instantly every time it's usually not a good business decision to lower prices. If people buy it, the price is right. That does suck for those of us who can't really justify it compared to lower-priced competition, but thankfully there are plenty of good options across the spectrum of price, style, and quality.