We have a guy in our campaign that had leader that had: autocannon, shield, lascarbine, all with telescopic or infrasights, bodyglove, armored undersuit, heavy carapace, industrial respirator and suspensors. So anythong but a melta wouldn't even scratch him and rest of his gang was slowly aspiring to him. Later he got angry that my butcher managed to finaly get to him and he failed his 2+ save. Real fun games against these guys when opponent is minmax king :-)
Pure dedication, thanks for making this, even when sick. Don't forget to take care of yourself. You've been putting these video's out like a madman. Love the content!
Urgh That reminds me one scirmish game on 1500 points against enforcers. My leader and two gangers got stun locked by flash granade launcher vielding enforcer Literally turn 4 I just bottlet as it was no fun eny more
I love the close combat options for these guys. Stick the shock stave on a Juve and they are auto wounding on half their successful hits. Real swingy but so fun to see my opponent's face when half my gang charges in. Once all my CC gangers are down my shooty fighters can clean up pretty well too. ;p PS: Hope you feel better soon
I also like the idea of Close Combat Van Saar. The added armor is a good start. Really liking those Power Knives as well. Woooie. Shock stave wielding Subtechs…. Interesting idea. Will have to try that out! Edit: do you run Iron Will to mitigate the losses in CC?
@@stuartbanana5083 I haven't tried iron will, but I am putting a power knife on a neotek to try for those backstabs. Using a dark Eldar wingy boy for the base model. Also, I use the CC gangers to balance my plasma cannon... it's pretty silly starting with one of those :} (no suspensor tho)
@Stuart Banana I've been thinking about CC van Saar and it looks like the flail x2 works wonders on an Archeotek with Torsonic Gamma, and Sindextrous alpha for support.
I'm playing as Van Saar in my first campaign with a bunch of friends. After years of false starts we finally have about 8 people committed. I'm 0-2 so far and I lost my 250+ point Champion in the first round of the first game, but I didn't lose his equipment because he died in recovery. So I filled the slot with a bounty hunter, gave him my champion's grav gun and mesh armor, and I don't feel like I've really lost a step. I just keep losing games cause I'm 🚮. I'm glad I opted for a starting force of 7 models, though. They're not all min-maxed, but my gang isn't devastated by an early (unlucky) loss. I made some equipment purchases and upgraded or moved some armor around, so everyone's is better. I'm hoping to turn things around...
I’m playing Van Saar for the first time in an upcoming local campaign and focusing on close combat. We shall see how that pans out. But imma try! Not a huge fan of standing and shooting all game. Thots: data scrivener for an Escher Gang with chem synths. Extra D6 on those Int checks. Suppose it only really works in Skirmish play so you can include them on the field. Bummer. I see this gang as having such a strong base that you could Fluff er up while remaining viable. I’m looking forward to experimenting with Cybertechnica and the (Goonhammer*) Tech Skills. A gang of cast out Hereteks Great content, hope you kick the plague soon!
Thanks for the full walkthrough the Van Saar. As a new comer to Necromunda, with Van Saar as my cherished army, it's interesting to see your thoughts and opinions. I realize that I missed some House Specific options which I intend to correct soon. So for, love the gang !!! about to visit the Ash Wastes with a pimp-up gang from previous campaign... and trying out the Grav-Cutter. So far, I like the concept of the cutter.. might sound strange for the VanSaar but Juves tends to be quite quite reckless... and in that sense, I gladly see my Leader handing over some Hover board to allow them go Kamikaze :) Anyway, not played with the cutter yet. but looking forward to it.
@0:32 That's "Ruud Gullit", but there is a goalie in the Netherlands called "van der Sar", and funny enough, a friend of mine is making a "van der Saar" gang inspired by our orange lions =)
I think a neat narrative campaign to run would be this: Picture an uneasy alliance between Van Saar and a Corpse Grinder Cult. The faustian deal the Van Saar struck with the AI develops into an even darker direction. This unusual AI not only has irradiated the Van Saar but has develop a taste for human flesh. Through a developing narrative the complicit but naive Van Saar will find that the AI is a demon possesed archaetech. A son of Vashtorr with the ability to influence Khorne's subjects. The first game or two will introduce the Van Saar defending their AI from jealous gangs, but then have an occasional Corpse Grinder mission where they bag bodies to influence the Van Saar gang and territories. A game name title would be like "C0rpse Gr1nders_InitIalIze_666.exe" Initially the Leader Van Saar will discover the AI's full identity and won't be okay with the full extent of it's demands. A game may involve an enforcer or noble house coming to quell the Van Saar gang on corruption charges. The final playmap having several medium, and one large industrial fans that act as the mouths of the AI. The mechanical gantries the gangers stand on would acting as the physical body of the AI. Original models could be made of defensive/offensive based units like large industrial tentacles that act with the "infiltrate" perk. In addition the Van Saar will find wandering remnants of an older Van Saar gang in the form of hyper irradiated zombies with extreme cancer growths (think Pox Walker models) that are found staggering around cannibal and hostile. A by product of existing to deep in the construct next to the AI. Occasional roles for the player's own models will be made against their toughness or they may become a zombie. The final mission may have dedensive Dark mechanicum models that have awoken from the Van Saars deeper trek. The final scenario titled "Cntrl+Alt+Del" will have thr Van Saar leader reach the AI to shut it down.
Thanks for this, but I'd still run my Delaque against any Van Saar. On reflection though, by the end there I wasn't so anti grav cutter as I was before.
I think the Data shrivener dude would be really good for a escher gang, that extra Int dice and discard the lowest would wotk wonders for the performance of the Chem synths. love your videos, put then on during painting
Just kind of curious, what are you're rulings on Bionics from the Trading Post? Does the bionic just repair the injured stat or does it nullify the injury then enhance the limb by +1 etc? Can bionics stack with select Cyberteknika like 1 bionic arm and then 1 sindextrous alpha because the model has two arms? Then two legs?
You can't hot shot a Las sub carbine on lasgins and laspistols but if you put a focusing crystal and use gadgeteer with a Las sub carbine you get - 2 ap at unstable and rapid fire 2 but you lose plentiful on a pistol.
Use 2x Archeoteks w/ las carbines or a brace of las sub-carbines to add Gadgeteer skill and give the carbines Rapid Fire(2) then recruit a couple Ammo Jacks to combat the ammo rolls.
Our VanSaar player won the first half of our campaign. I hate this gang. They roflstomped my orlock in the ground and tbagged them after. I hate this gang.His only real competition was my wife with her escher. I hate her gang too. VanSaar are dutch? Nice. If i wouldnt hate them so much,i would like them now. By khorne, i will get my revenge. Hell, i love this game 😂 so much emotions
It's actually a scheme I'll be doing my badzone enforcers in pretty soon so I'll be making a video on that. It's pretty simple though. Just a high shine metal with red contrast paint over the top and highlights etc
@@wellywoodwargaming cool though it was it was just that I tryed it on my van Saar and it was not as shinny but it's fine I have striped them and will start again.
Too on the nose for the green goblin for me. I like the wink and nods; but that green armor on the floaty boards and all I see is distractingly, Spiderman. Imo.
@@garyjenson8262 These guys are super spidey theme-able. The spider-rig gives you Doc Oc and the Iron Spider suit, or Man Spider if you wanna go mutie. Then the grav-cutters give you Green Goblin, Hobgoblin and so on - as well as the Silver Surfer, Vulture (again with a bit of the mutie).... I love it - so silly.
In the end what matters is how pumped each of us are for our gangs. That's what makes the game so fun. I'm crazy about delaque but others might say they are too much like the strangers from dark city (and they are right down to the lore). I say that's kind of the point for me.
@@garyjenson8262 delaque are right up there with cawdor for me. I love them both honestly, but haven't had a chance to play them post book of shadows really
Lol I disagree that van saar and goliath are at the top. Especially when escher can walk around with an auto hitting weapon that negates armor and wound count, and just deletes 9 out of 10 models it touches.
Yeah but the Chem thrower is only something that gets good once Chem alchemy is involved and that takes a bit of time and money generally in a campaign etc
@@wellywoodwargaming lol I've never had a problem. I simply set aside credits for chen's from the jump, from game 1 I have liftin, blackout and acidic. I sat aside credits for at least the first 2 every game. I only use blackout against tougher gangs. I don't understand why people say that the chemthrower becomes good over the course of the campaign lol I use it from the start and ZERO problems with credits. Especially once I'm only paying 10 credits per chem usually. Lol have you fielded escher? Blows my mind everyone regurgitates the same fallacy about the thrower.
@@-VOR well I mean I'm basing this off my own experience of multiple campaigns with many escher gangs and overall despite the obvious power play tricks with the Chem alchemy as far as we see they generally don't perform as well as some of the other gangs, so although I agree with you. My own firsthand experience is telling me that they aren't the top dogs against some of the other gangs overall
@@wellywoodwargaming lol then idk how your dudes are playing their escher. But I have zero problems. It may seem like im a power gamer, assure you I'm not, hit into necromunda to get away from the mentality, but ever since House of blades came out, lol I've never had trouble. Even without blackout. And I meaning credits wise too. See escher players saying chems and such are way too expensive and they can't make it work blah blah. Don't get how they can't see how to. Anyway, interested to see how your friends play escher, why they dont utilize something that no gang has an answer to.
@@wellywoodwargaming oh! And I don't mean to come across as I'm coming at you or anything brother, love your channel! That's why I put "lol", to convey lightheartedness ya know?
We have a guy in our campaign that had leader that had: autocannon, shield, lascarbine, all with telescopic or infrasights, bodyglove, armored undersuit, heavy carapace, industrial respirator and suspensors. So anythong but a melta wouldn't even scratch him and rest of his gang was slowly aspiring to him.
Later he got angry that my butcher managed to finaly get to him and he failed his 2+ save.
Real fun games against these guys when opponent is minmax king :-)
Woah
Pure dedication, thanks for making this, even when sick. Don't forget to take care of yourself. You've been putting these video's out like a madman. Love the content!
Thank you! Tested positive for covid straight after 😪
@@wellywoodwargaming oh man that sucks. hope you feel better soon! take your time man. We'll be here for the last house guides when you get back.
@@wellywoodwargaming Oh no! Here's hoping for a speedy recovery.
The bane of van Saar, smoke grenades and flash grenades
Urgh That reminds me one scirmish game on 1500 points against enforcers.
My leader and two gangers got stun locked by flash granade launcher vielding enforcer Literally turn 4 I just bottlet as it was no fun eny more
I love the close combat options for these guys. Stick the shock stave on a Juve and they are auto wounding on half their successful hits. Real swingy but so fun to see my opponent's face when half my gang charges in. Once all my CC gangers are down my shooty fighters can clean up pretty well too. ;p
PS: Hope you feel better soon
I also like the idea of Close Combat Van Saar.
The added armor is a good start. Really liking those Power Knives as well. Woooie.
Shock stave wielding Subtechs…. Interesting idea. Will have to try that out!
Edit: do you run Iron Will to mitigate the losses in CC?
@@stuartbanana5083 I haven't tried iron will, but I am putting a power knife on a neotek to try for those backstabs. Using a dark Eldar wingy boy for the base model. Also, I use the CC gangers to balance my plasma cannon... it's pretty silly starting with one of those :} (no suspensor tho)
@Stuart Banana I've been thinking about CC van Saar and it looks like the flail x2 works wonders on an Archeotek with Torsonic Gamma, and Sindextrous alpha for support.
Good stuff. Fight off burgles blessing.
I'm playing as Van Saar in my first campaign with a bunch of friends. After years of false starts we finally have about 8 people committed.
I'm 0-2 so far and I lost my 250+ point Champion in the first round of the first game, but I didn't lose his equipment because he died in recovery. So I filled the slot with a bounty hunter, gave him my champion's grav gun and mesh armor, and I don't feel like I've really lost a step. I just keep losing games cause I'm 🚮.
I'm glad I opted for a starting force of 7 models, though. They're not all min-maxed, but my gang isn't devastated by an early (unlucky) loss. I made some equipment purchases and upgraded or moved some armor around, so everyone's is better. I'm hoping to turn things around...
Mate these are solid really good work, I'm happy to do some terrain for you
I’m playing Van Saar for the first time in an upcoming local campaign and focusing on close combat. We shall see how that pans out. But imma try! Not a huge fan of standing and shooting all game.
Thots: data scrivener for an Escher Gang with chem synths. Extra D6 on those Int checks. Suppose it only really works in Skirmish play so you can include them on the field. Bummer.
I see this gang as having such a strong base that you could Fluff er up while remaining viable. I’m looking forward to experimenting with Cybertechnica and the (Goonhammer*) Tech Skills. A gang of cast out Hereteks
Great content, hope you kick the plague soon!
Any luck with your CC gang?
Thanks for the full walkthrough the Van Saar. As a new comer to Necromunda, with Van Saar as my cherished army, it's interesting to see your thoughts and opinions. I realize that I missed some House Specific options which I intend to correct soon.
So for, love the gang !!! about to visit the Ash Wastes with a pimp-up gang from previous campaign... and trying out the Grav-Cutter. So far, I like the concept of the cutter.. might sound strange for the VanSaar but Juves tends to be quite quite reckless... and in that sense, I gladly see my Leader handing over some Hover board to allow them go Kamikaze :)
Anyway, not played with the cutter yet. but looking forward to it.
Hope you feel better. Love the guides and the way you break everything down.
Already spent 2 days in bed now but on the mend it seems. Thank you
Thanks for the guide series. Please do escher next
@0:32 That's "Ruud Gullit", but there is a goalie in the Netherlands called "van der Sar", and funny enough, a friend of mine is making a "van der Saar" gang inspired by our orange lions =)
😆
I am SO painting mine orange when I get them!
STC is not AI, its more like a advance 3d printer and data usb.
First! And wooo can't wait for delaque soon hopefully
I think a neat narrative campaign to run would be this:
Picture an uneasy alliance between Van Saar and a Corpse Grinder Cult. The faustian deal the Van Saar struck with the AI develops into an even darker direction.
This unusual AI not only has irradiated the Van Saar but has develop a taste for human flesh. Through a developing narrative the complicit but naive Van Saar will find that the AI is a demon possesed archaetech. A son of Vashtorr with the ability to influence Khorne's subjects.
The first game or two will introduce the Van Saar defending their AI from jealous gangs, but then have an occasional Corpse Grinder mission where they bag bodies to influence the Van Saar gang and territories. A game name title would be like "C0rpse Gr1nders_InitIalIze_666.exe"
Initially the Leader Van Saar will discover the AI's full identity and won't be okay with the full extent of it's demands. A game may involve an enforcer or noble house coming to quell the Van Saar gang on corruption charges.
The final playmap having several medium, and one large industrial fans that act as the mouths of the AI. The mechanical gantries the gangers stand on would acting as the physical body of the AI. Original models could be made of defensive/offensive based units like large industrial tentacles that act with the "infiltrate" perk.
In addition the Van Saar will find wandering remnants of an older Van Saar gang in the form of hyper irradiated zombies with extreme cancer growths (think Pox Walker models) that are found staggering around cannibal and hostile. A by product of existing to deep in the construct next to the AI. Occasional roles for the player's own models will be made against their toughness or they may become a zombie.
The final mission may have dedensive Dark mechanicum models that have awoken from the Van Saars deeper trek.
The final scenario titled "Cntrl+Alt+Del" will have thr Van Saar leader reach the AI to shut it down.
Good grief you have a great imagination for these things
Thanks for this, but I'd still run my Delaque against any Van Saar. On reflection though, by the end there I wasn't so anti grav cutter as I was before.
I think the Data shrivener dude would be really good for a escher gang, that extra Int dice and discard the lowest would wotk wonders for the performance of the Chem synths. love your videos, put then on during painting
Excellent insight there 👏
I think I like the Forge aracni-rig
Just kind of curious, what are you're rulings on Bionics from the Trading Post? Does the bionic just repair the injured stat or does it nullify the injury then enhance the limb by +1 etc? Can bionics stack with select Cyberteknika like 1 bionic arm and then 1 sindextrous alpha because the model has two arms? Then two legs?
Give the archeotek gadeteer, and two las sub carbines, make one rapid fire 2... gives him utpo 9 hits, mines melted most things early campaign
Hail all
Hail!
S5 ap-2 unstable hot shot las sub carbines with eye cyberteknika
Hot shot las carbines? That is not possible.
You can't hot shot a Las sub carbine on lasgins and laspistols but if you put a focusing crystal and use gadgeteer with a Las sub carbine you get - 2 ap at unstable and rapid fire 2 but you lose plentiful on a pistol.
Use 2x Archeoteks w/ las carbines or a brace of las sub-carbines to add Gadgeteer skill and give the carbines Rapid Fire(2) then recruit a couple Ammo Jacks to combat the ammo rolls.
Our VanSaar player won the first half of our campaign. I hate this gang. They roflstomped my orlock in the ground and tbagged them after. I hate this gang.His only real competition was my wife with her escher. I hate her gang too.
VanSaar are dutch? Nice. If i wouldnt hate them so much,i would like them now.
By khorne, i will get my revenge.
Hell, i love this game 😂 so much emotions
How did you paint your Van Saar really like the red.
It's actually a scheme I'll be doing my badzone enforcers in pretty soon so I'll be making a video on that. It's pretty simple though. Just a high shine metal with red contrast paint over the top and highlights etc
@@wellywoodwargaming cool though it was it was just that I tryed it on my van Saar and it was not as shinny but it's fine I have striped them and will start again.
I made a six man elite strike team and somehow they routinely win games when outnumbered 2:1
What list? :)
nice video. you'll want to work on the lip smacking
Thanks...?
Ruud Gullit was the black guy with dreads ex soccer player from the Netherlands 😂
I do not understand your vitriolic hatred of sky cutters. It's weird.
Haha I can't put my finger on it 100% but I just cannot like them. I'm sorry, it's just the way I was made 😔
Too on the nose for the green goblin for me. I like the wink and nods; but that green armor on the floaty boards and all I see is distractingly, Spiderman. Imo.
@@garyjenson8262 These guys are super spidey theme-able. The spider-rig gives you Doc Oc and the Iron Spider suit, or Man Spider if you wanna go mutie. Then the grav-cutters give you Green Goblin, Hobgoblin and so on - as well as the Silver Surfer, Vulture (again with a bit of the mutie).... I love it - so silly.
In the end what matters is how pumped each of us are for our gangs. That's what makes the game so fun. I'm crazy about delaque but others might say they are too much like the strangers from dark city (and they are right down to the lore). I say that's kind of the point for me.
@@garyjenson8262 delaque are right up there with cawdor for me. I love them both honestly, but haven't had a chance to play them post book of shadows really
Lol I disagree that van saar and goliath are at the top. Especially when escher can walk around with an auto hitting weapon that negates armor and wound count, and just deletes 9 out of 10 models it touches.
Yeah but the Chem thrower is only something that gets good once Chem alchemy is involved and that takes a bit of time and money generally in a campaign etc
@@wellywoodwargaming lol I've never had a problem. I simply set aside credits for chen's from the jump, from game 1 I have liftin, blackout and acidic. I sat aside credits for at least the first 2 every game. I only use blackout against tougher gangs. I don't understand why people say that the chemthrower becomes good over the course of the campaign lol I use it from the start and ZERO problems with credits. Especially once I'm only paying 10 credits per chem usually. Lol have you fielded escher? Blows my mind everyone regurgitates the same fallacy about the thrower.
@@-VOR well I mean I'm basing this off my own experience of multiple campaigns with many escher gangs and overall despite the obvious power play tricks with the Chem alchemy as far as we see they generally don't perform as well as some of the other gangs, so although I agree with you. My own firsthand experience is telling me that they aren't the top dogs against some of the other gangs overall
@@wellywoodwargaming lol then idk how your dudes are playing their escher. But I have zero problems. It may seem like im a power gamer, assure you I'm not, hit into necromunda to get away from the mentality, but ever since House of blades came out, lol I've never had trouble. Even without blackout. And I meaning credits wise too. See escher players saying chems and such are way too expensive and they can't make it work blah blah. Don't get how they can't see how to. Anyway, interested to see how your friends play escher, why they dont utilize something that no gang has an answer to.
@@wellywoodwargaming oh! And I don't mean to come across as I'm coming at you or anything brother, love your channel! That's why I put "lol", to convey lightheartedness ya know?