I feel like it’s gonna be fine, people are gonna enjoy it, and then they will max out, get bored and start making phase 4 videos “sod dying? Problems with p4?”
@@КалоянДимитров-н2х depends. ST is the best raid thus far. The rest of the content is definitely not up to phase 1. But honestly Gnomer was also better than BFD. Guess it just depends on your preferences.
yes lol. The streamer sardaco was praising P3 saying it's the most fun he's had in a while and that there was a lot to do - few weeks later he puts out a video saying its dying and hes bored and now MOP is the "most fun hes had playing wow" it's literally the same cycle every single time
@@anttttmannnn They are all literally just following viewing formulas. They aren't making videos because they truly feel someway, and need to express themselves. They are thinking, what topic will get me a good chunk of views.
Totally agree, I feel like it has the potential to be the biggest version of wow, maybe not SoD itself but what SoD can become and morph into in the future
SOD is an awesome concept I could see them taking things they've learned from SOD at the end of the season and implementing them into a new type of season, what that will be in 2025 we do not yet know.
One thing you didn't note is the class rune overhauls. At least coming from a warrior perspective, there hasn't been any dev engagement within the class discord when there's known to be some in at least the druid and paladin discord. While they shyed from the idea of rage normalisation, assumably solely from tweets, I'm concerned they will take some of the overhauls in a less desirable direction. As of now, SoD warriors are in a degraded WotLK state and I don't trust them enough to just not make a Cata version of the classes now that they've got the code available to them. After all, it's seasonal. Why would they not drop the effort to give out the bare minimum knowing players are going to subscribe nontheless?
I feel ya, I really hope they manage to do something with warrior, where they can actually make cool runes that are usable without making warriors exceedingly overpowered. It's kinda unfair warriors do get tarred with a brush just because they scale so well that they need to be dumbed down with boring runes even if the runes are useful
I want to start playing now, could someone please help me find out what races are top for warrior, paladin and enh shaman? All roles and pvp/pve. I cannot find anything online :(
Are you exalted with wsg and ab? Are you at least revered with Argent dawn for the healing enchant recipe if you are an enchanter? Are you honored with hydraxian waterlords to be able to summon major domo and rag if they wont change it? Are you honored with thorium brother hood? Do you have enough materials to boost Thorium Bro rep up to revered or even exalted if you are the BS of the guild in day 1 if ragnaros requires FR gear to kill it? Do you have at least 2-3k gold? Do you have a proper guild to raid at p4? I didnt even mention about zandalar rep yet. Do you have already enough coins to get 250k honor in first week of p4? Got enough materials stocked for flasks? As you see there are many things to do as prep for p4 and this idle phase is a very good opportunity to be ready for next phase. I suggest everyone not to waste it.
Yeah to be honest, it could be in a quite a broad range, if cataclysm for some reason has even more major problems on it's launch in a few days, it could further push back a P4 for sod potentially? That being said I think the safest bet is probably to say around mid June
@@DeeceTV My guild and I all 45 of us are still playing we all came to an agreement to level an alt a class we never really played learn it and gear it up before phase 4 which thus far is a ton of fun and laughs I'm mainly a druid healer and decided to try a shaman so it keeps me on my feet thus far lol.
I also personally prefer the larger raids, as they quite rightly, feel like raids. I do wish there was some sort of compromise for a large portion of people who do enjoy 10 man though to keep the game as healthy as possible
Agreed. The problem is all these people have social anxiety issues and need to learn how to socialize with people again. When you wall yourself out from the rest of the world that tends to be what happens. We are all in our 30s. It’s not that hard to socialize once you do it so often lmao
Brd should have been a 50 dungeon. Incursions are great imo. You have a choice no one forced you to do them, but if you want to have alts, make a little bit of gold while leveling incursions are great.
I disagree guys, how didnt we get more content in p3 than the other phases, we mathematically got more content, than the rest phases, way more things to farm, p1 and p2 in less than a week we had bis gear farmed and were waiting for raid drops, p1 almost no spells and only rfk "farmable"
Incursions need to be changed to dailies #1, or expand on lights hope dailies Heroic dungeons should be a thing that incorporates Wild offering token but also needs to be the same currency you can from atleast one daily All raid loot needs to be usable, nothing should be straight to DE or vendor. They need to pick and stick to one raid size, even if we have 2 AQ 20s Also class balance is a must, in this version of SOD they need to pick either pve or PvP to do so and say screw the other, sorry to all you pvpers but pve is more important And that just to name a few
Incursions definitely need some sort of change for sure, It seems like they were looking into the possibility for a similar version of titan rune dungeons, or heroic dungeons for sod at 60 but we're still in the dark on more info atm, I agree they need to balance the classes a hell of a lot more atleast in some way or another
Honestly, I think the economy is probably too inflated to be fixed to the level of original classic but I think that’s expected since they had level caps and people would use the quests to make gold and ofcourse the incursions didn’t help at all
Most important for me is that blizz must make at last this pvp balance.This nonsens tries with mass DR 50% 30% is total bullshit.The right way is make individual DR for every class and spell/abiliti.Only with that way they can fix the broken classes and not affect the pve.Its so simple and fluid.After that they can start fix/change/buff all useless runes that no one use in any situation.Ofc 100% balance is imposible, but with this changes the game will be much more playable and fun.
I agree, there will never be complete balance but it can be so much better than it currently is, I'm just not sure they have any resources into SoD atm with cata launching which feels kinda bad as the balance right now desperately needs some love
Back on the good ol days of wow, if your guild couldnt field the 40 players for a raid, the guild died or found someone to merge with. Zero sympathy for 20 man being too large as there was ALWAYS someone looking to raid...yall just gotta be nice and group up. F ing babies
We need Hyjal raid, Uldum raid, Un'goro Dinosaur raid, Furbolg raid in Azshara, A new Lava raid behind Bael'Gars gate in BRD. Also we getting Kara Crypts and a SM raid probably so poggers
So tired of people playing both sides “it’s suppose to be casuwoll!!!” “It’s suppose to be classic” uhh classic was the most punishing version of WoW ever it was not meant for casuals
This whole "big raids bad because I don't have 20 friends" is such a depressing narrative. The fact this narrative has already convinced Blizz to launch MC as a 20 man instead of 40 man infuriates me. If you don't want large raids go back to retail. Stop trying to push retail raid sizes on my vanilla/classic experience.
Ima give you a pass because you have some great, unique videos on ret paladin that you can't really find anywhere else; But I saw this hit my feed and instantly wrote this, keeping it here because the 100 tiny wow youtubers need to hear this. +1 sub SoD made it in S1 where a million people enjoyed the game for what it was and moved on (like normal). Will 100 identical clickbait videos MAKE or BREAK 100 fledgling youtubers? How will the last season MAKE or BREAK a game, when the entire game has already been played out lmao? Why is my entire wow feed flooded with 0-effort copyPaste videos either stoking drama from non-issues or "HOW TO GET TO MAX LEVEL FASTEST MOP REMIX". Yall should put your faces on a camera and talk to the community or make more content like those ret pala videos. These channels won't break 5k views/video ever if they're just generic brainrot/wow news channels. Proof? See: Soulsobreezy. 8 Years and almost nothing to show for it - I was one of the first subscribers when he started off by doing talking head videos, not anymore - 20k views/vid. Bellular is hilarious too, not sure why they're popular, but you can see it in the subscriber/view count. How do you even make payroll properly in a media company that garners so little attention?
If you are playing that abomination (SOD) you aren't a classic player my friend. :D I'm playing the game from launch and I can't grasp how and why people are playing season of dog. The developers are making everything on the fly without any solid idea or concept how the game will end up in the end. They are "just testing stuff" because it's a "seasonal thing", and people are cool with it. Waste your time how you feel it's right for you, at the end of the day isn't that the point of gaming? SOD is no classic+, it's just an intern's weekend project and it was the easiest thing they could think of without doing any efforts or having a solid budget. Also, with the release of SOD Blizzard killed hardcore and classic era servers. Another big mistake.
To be honest, if you comment about sod like you are, you havent give it a chance at all, SOD is in my opinion the best out of all of wow since 2006 vanilla wow. Runes are really givning it a nice touch in my opinion.
@@Ajustlolyou are right mate. I haven't give SOD a chance and I won't do so. Let's say a friend of yours tells you it's good for you and also fun to eat your shit. Will you eat it because he told you it's good for you, or you will pass. That's the entire situation with SOD in my opinion right now. There will be always the people that are eating (playing) everything the others are. It's up for everyone to decide if you are the pig or the person. :) Edit: the runes are shit. They are mostly ripoff of more recent versions of the game. They are basically giving you wotlk/cata/wod mix calling it Classic+. :D The only reason they got the idea of "discovering runes" is because that was the laziest and most quick way to "introduce" new spells in the game.
@@VaskoNikolaev you're crying a river there Blizzard didn't gave you classic+ so you're hating on everything. I understand, you feel betrayed by the community. You're not the first dude, full of hate treating people playing SoD of " dogs " i cross path with. You're shameless and immature for that. There is very good and very bad things in Season of Discovery, like in wow classic, tbc, wotlk, cata etc... Each iteration of the game have good and bad in it You don't like it ? Fine, but you're there, saying to people who genuinely like it " you're wrong to like it " , it doesn't make sense. Nobody care about your argument, people like or dislike something is up to them and you're no one to explain others if their taste is leggit / genuine or not
@@VaskoNikolaev You sound very miserable. Maybe try changing something in your real life instead of being negative and unfriendly in a comment section of a game mode you hate without even trying.
@@VaskoNikolaev Correction, the laziest way to add in new spell is just add them to the trainer. why spend effort making a mini quest line/new world npcs/modifications/items, when you can just add them to the trainers and call it a day? Hell, just making a skill book and having trainers sell them would be easier.
I feel like it’s gonna be fine, people are gonna enjoy it, and then they will max out, get bored and start making phase 4 videos “sod dying? Problems with p4?”
sounds about accurate
Im not sure that will be fine.Every phase is worst than previos.Blizzard team is supper lazy and low iq at all so its 90% to come worst phase ever.
@@КалоянДимитров-н2х depends. ST is the best raid thus far. The rest of the content is definitely not up to phase 1. But honestly Gnomer was also better than BFD. Guess it just depends on your preferences.
yes lol. The streamer sardaco was praising P3 saying it's the most fun he's had in a while and that there was a lot to do - few weeks later he puts out a video saying its dying and hes bored and now MOP is the "most fun hes had playing wow" it's literally the same cycle every single time
@@anttttmannnn They are all literally just following viewing formulas.
They aren't making videos because they truly feel someway, and need to express themselves.
They are thinking, what topic will get me a good chunk of views.
Taking classic and minimizing it to a mini version of retails endless power creep was not what people wanted from classic+. We got a mini retail lol.
I think SoD (still) has the potential of becoming a perfect wow version and be massive
Perfect? No. Good? Absolutely because perfect isn't achievable which isn't a bad thing.
Totally agree, I feel like it has the potential to be the biggest version of wow, maybe not SoD itself but what SoD can become and morph into in the future
No wow is perfect
its just todays trend to complain like small children
SOD is an awesome concept I could see them taking things they've learned from SOD at the end of the season and implementing them into a new type of season, what that will be in 2025 we do not yet know.
any chance you can link WA for swing timer and that seal active icon
It should be in the description of some of my other videos like the seal twisting vid
One thing you didn't note is the class rune overhauls. At least coming from a warrior perspective, there hasn't been any dev engagement within the class discord when there's known to be some in at least the druid and paladin discord. While they shyed from the idea of rage normalisation, assumably solely from tweets, I'm concerned they will take some of the overhauls in a less desirable direction. As of now, SoD warriors are in a degraded WotLK state and I don't trust them enough to just not make a Cata version of the classes now that they've got the code available to them. After all, it's seasonal. Why would they not drop the effort to give out the bare minimum knowing players are going to subscribe nontheless?
I feel ya, I really hope they manage to do something with warrior, where they can actually make cool runes that are usable without making warriors exceedingly overpowered. It's kinda unfair warriors do get tarred with a brush just because they scale so well that they need to be dumbed down with boring runes even if the runes are useful
not level 50? not ready yet?
Before watching. Yes.
I want to start playing now, could someone please help me find out what races are top for warrior, paladin and enh shaman? All roles and pvp/pve. I cannot find anything online :(
SOD is great for the dads that want to play the game they grew up with. It's what classic wow is for in my opinion.
I don’t mind if they take their take to bring something of quality out honestly
P2 / P3 already tanked the numbers, sure I guess its a chance at redemption.
How long should SoD last?
Just long enough to make all the players who need to be told how to enjoy the game, to go back to retail.
Hey! Can you link your tiny plates profile? Is it tiny plates, right?
Are you exalted with wsg and ab? Are you at least revered with Argent dawn for the healing enchant recipe if you are an enchanter? Are you honored with hydraxian waterlords to be able to summon major domo and rag if they wont change it? Are you honored with thorium brother hood? Do you have enough materials to boost Thorium Bro rep up to revered or even exalted if you are the BS of the guild in day 1 if ragnaros requires FR gear to kill it? Do you have at least 2-3k gold? Do you have a proper guild to raid at p4? I didnt even mention about zandalar rep yet. Do you have already enough coins to get 250k honor in first week of p4? Got enough materials stocked for flasks? As you see there are many things to do as prep for p4 and this idle phase is a very good opportunity to be ready for next phase. I suggest everyone not to waste it.
Those grinds sound absolutely terrible lol
Too busy enjoying being an adult to invest all my free time into a beta test, it's really not that serious.
Lmao those are for 0.01% of the population who have no commitments, employment, families, or responsibilities.
I think if they ever do this again or make a wow 2 don’t do the phase thing , release it all in 1 go but have a PTR and make sure it’s ready first …
The phase system works. Just made the phases far too long honestly. 4- 6 weeks would probably be ideal
Really well made video, I agree and have said a lot of the points you mentioned.
If it wasn’t for nightmare incursions I wouldn’t be 50
I think P4 will release around end of july if you look at their road map for 2024
Possibly! It would feel quite late though, but we can only speculate atm!
Honestly I think Phase 4 is going to release late June early July.
Yeah to be honest, it could be in a quite a broad range, if cataclysm for some reason has even more major problems on it's launch in a few days, it could further push back a P4 for sod potentially? That being said I think the safest bet is probably to say around mid June
@@DeeceTV My guild and I all 45 of us are still playing we all came to an agreement to level an alt a class we never really played learn it and gear it up before phase 4 which thus far is a ton of fun and laughs I'm mainly a druid healer and decided to try a shaman so it keeps me on my feet thus far lol.
Great idea to keep yourselves busy until the big phase!
If phase 4 is July sod is dead.
Yeah dead till launch of 4
20 man raids need to stay, 10 man are just a bigger dungeon, it feels sad
I also personally prefer the larger raids, as they quite rightly, feel like raids. I do wish there was some sort of compromise for a large portion of people who do enjoy 10 man though to keep the game as healthy as possible
Agreed. The problem is all these people have social anxiety issues and need to learn how to socialize with people again. When you wall yourself out from the rest of the world that tends to be what happens. We are all in our 30s. It’s not that hard to socialize once you do it so often lmao
@@DeeceTVthere is, it’s flexible raid size. They won’t do it because the game is still linked to era servers.
Yeah that's also one of the reasons why they haven't touched the Talent trees as well
20 man raids made all my friends quit... if there is more of that crap it is gonna be the end of it
Brd should have been a 50 dungeon. Incursions are great imo. You have a choice no one forced you to do them, but if you want to have alts, make a little bit of gold while leveling incursions are great.
i think even if p4 was good, people wouldnt come back. restarting the guild search is not worth the effort
10m raids is the perfect number imo
Its beyond redemption but hey cya in s4 cause we like to be humiliated by blizz just like over the years. We clearly have Stockholm syndrome
3 raids atleast at release, if not its dead. if they arent releasing p4 at the end of may, its gonne be dead on arrival
The horizon holds way too much, if blizzard sees the potential then surely they cant mess this up
Incursions were such a big L. It literally felt like retail mindless leveling. Besides that I've really enjoyed SoD overall.
Definitely agree
I disagree guys, how didnt we get more content in p3 than the other phases, we mathematically got more content, than the rest phases, way more things to farm, p1 and p2 in less than a week we had bis gear farmed and were waiting for raid drops, p1 almost no spells and only rfk "farmable"
It’s really no different than spamming dungeons would’ve been.
Solid, Solid Video.
as what we've seen from cata launch, i think there fk up big time xD
I've not played cata personally, I stopped at the end of ICC but I have heard there's been some hiccups xD
Cata is booming lol
I'm sure it will be an unmitigated disaster
So after P4 will they continue to BWL and later content or is P4 the last phase ?
As far as we know we will get at minimum all of the normal classic raids so yes there will be further content past phase 4 :)
Incursions need to be changed to dailies #1, or expand on lights hope dailies
Heroic dungeons should be a thing that incorporates Wild offering token but also needs to be the same currency you can from atleast one daily
All raid loot needs to be usable, nothing should be straight to DE or vendor.
They need to pick and stick to one raid size, even if we have 2 AQ 20s
Also class balance is a must, in this version of SOD they need to pick either pve or PvP to do so and say screw the other, sorry to all you pvpers but pve is more important
And that just to name a few
Incursions definitely need some sort of change for sure,
It seems like they were looking into the possibility for a similar version of titan rune dungeons, or heroic dungeons for sod at 60 but we're still in the dark on more info atm,
I agree they need to balance the classes a hell of a lot more atleast in some way or another
@@DeeceTV you think there is any solution to fix the economy?? Or is SOD economy just busted til the end?
Honestly, I think the economy is probably too inflated to be fixed to the level of original classic but I think that’s expected since they had level caps and people would use the quests to make gold and ofcourse the incursions didn’t help at all
I wish Incursions could just get erased from the game. I know that's not happening, but I think they are that bad.
Most important for me is that blizz must make at last this pvp balance.This nonsens tries with mass DR 50% 30% is total bullshit.The right way is make individual DR for every class and spell/abiliti.Only with that way they can fix the broken classes and not affect the pve.Its so simple and fluid.After that they can start fix/change/buff all useless runes that no one use in any situation.Ofc 100% balance is imposible, but with this changes the game will be much more playable and fun.
I agree, there will never be complete balance but it can be so much better than it currently is, I'm just not sure they have any resources into SoD atm with cata launching which feels kinda bad as the balance right now desperately needs some love
Should have just made it 3 phases. 40 to 60 and not have incursions like they did
Back on the good ol days of wow, if your guild couldnt field the 40 players for a raid, the guild died or found someone to merge with. Zero sympathy for 20 man being too large as there was ALWAYS someone looking to raid...yall just gotta be nice and group up. F ing babies
can you please not play pvp with 2.0 speed weapon
make or break it"s the finish line more or less it's not making anything sod been out for a while
We need Hyjal raid, Uldum raid, Un'goro Dinosaur raid, Furbolg raid in Azshara, A new Lava raid behind Bael'Gars gate in BRD. Also we getting Kara Crypts and a SM raid probably so poggers
So tired of people playing both sides “it’s suppose to be casuwoll!!!” “It’s suppose to be classic” uhh classic was the most punishing version of WoW ever it was not meant for casuals
Send aggrend to d4 team hire some ppl who knows about the game as devs
ya no shit
There’s no way in hell phase 4 is coming out in 3 days…
CATA HYPE!
SEASON OF NO CONTENT
Deece nuts will not break
Oh god not you xD
@@DeeceTV hahaha
P3 SUCKS SO MUCH
blizzard: *constantly releases shit*
playerbase: 'maybe this time it won't be shit?'
delusional.
Yea bring back gdkp
Its already dead sod hope classic + will be better then this crap
Sod sucks so much
This whole "big raids bad because I don't have 20 friends" is such a depressing narrative. The fact this narrative has already convinced Blizz to launch MC as a 20 man instead of 40 man infuriates me.
If you don't want large raids go back to retail. Stop trying to push retail raid sizes on my vanilla/classic experience.
Isn't the issue with SoD dying that people took your advice and went back to Retail/Cata you muppet?!
Ima give you a pass because you have some great, unique videos on ret paladin that you can't really find anywhere else; But I saw this hit my feed and instantly wrote this, keeping it here because the 100 tiny wow youtubers need to hear this. +1 sub
SoD made it in S1 where a million people enjoyed the game for what it was and moved on (like normal). Will 100 identical clickbait videos MAKE or BREAK 100 fledgling youtubers? How will the last season MAKE or BREAK a game, when the entire game has already been played out lmao? Why is my entire wow feed flooded with 0-effort copyPaste videos either stoking drama from non-issues or "HOW TO GET TO MAX LEVEL FASTEST MOP REMIX".
Yall should put your faces on a camera and talk to the community or make more content like those ret pala videos. These channels won't break 5k views/video ever if they're just generic brainrot/wow news channels. Proof? See: Soulsobreezy. 8 Years and almost nothing to show for it - I was one of the first subscribers when he started off by doing talking head videos, not anymore - 20k views/vid. Bellular is hilarious too, not sure why they're popular, but you can see it in the subscriber/view count. How do you even make payroll properly in a media company that garners so little attention?
If you are playing that abomination (SOD) you aren't a classic player my friend. :D
I'm playing the game from launch and I can't grasp how and why people are playing season of dog.
The developers are making everything on the fly without any solid idea or concept how the game will end up in the end.
They are "just testing stuff" because it's a "seasonal thing", and people are cool with it. Waste your time how you feel it's right for you, at the end of the day isn't that the point of gaming?
SOD is no classic+, it's just an intern's weekend project and it was the easiest thing they could think of without doing any efforts or having a solid budget.
Also, with the release of SOD Blizzard killed hardcore and classic era servers. Another big mistake.
To be honest, if you comment about sod like you are, you havent give it a chance at all, SOD is in my opinion the best out of all of wow since 2006 vanilla wow.
Runes are really givning it a nice touch in my opinion.
@@Ajustlolyou are right mate. I haven't give SOD a chance and I won't do so. Let's say a friend of yours tells you it's good for you and also fun to eat your shit. Will you eat it because he told you it's good for you, or you will pass. That's the entire situation with SOD in my opinion right now. There will be always the people that are eating (playing) everything the others are. It's up for everyone to decide if you are the pig or the person. :)
Edit: the runes are shit. They are mostly ripoff of more recent versions of the game. They are basically giving you wotlk/cata/wod mix calling it Classic+. :D The only reason they got the idea of "discovering runes" is because that was the laziest and most quick way to "introduce" new spells in the game.
@@VaskoNikolaev you're crying a river there
Blizzard didn't gave you classic+ so you're hating on everything. I understand, you feel betrayed by the community. You're not the first dude, full of hate treating people playing SoD of " dogs " i cross path with. You're shameless and immature for that.
There is very good and very bad things in Season of Discovery, like in wow classic, tbc, wotlk, cata etc... Each iteration of the game have good and bad in it
You don't like it ? Fine, but you're there, saying to people who genuinely like it " you're wrong to like it " , it doesn't make sense. Nobody care about your argument, people like or dislike something is up to them and you're no one to explain others if their taste is leggit / genuine or not
@@VaskoNikolaev You sound very miserable. Maybe try changing something in your real life instead of being negative and unfriendly in a comment section of a game mode you hate without even trying.
@@VaskoNikolaev Correction, the laziest way to add in new spell is just add them to the trainer. why spend effort making a mini quest line/new world npcs/modifications/items, when you can just add them to the trainers and call it a day? Hell, just making a skill book and having trainers sell them would be easier.
they need to tune sh amans in pvp pleaseeee