I work at a Kubota/New Holland dealer. We install the tracks (many different manufacturers) on both brands. Bye and large these are sold to snowmobile clubs to maintain trails. So lightness is key to keep from destroying the trails. Be warned… They are EXTREMELY HARD on the front axles if you’re actually working them. We replace several axle housings every year because of damage caused by the increased leverage on the wheel ends. We also have a couple customers that run them in softer fields for hey or corn.
The number of tractors you need has been mathematically computed and pre justified for you. N+1=the correct answer. N being the number of tractors you own…this is how I explain things to my wife, it’s all science! 😅
I've owned and farmed with a Kubota M100 for over 10 years. It's a good, but light tractor. Most days I regret that i didn't buy the comparable JD or New Holland 100 to 120 horse power tractor. The Kubota's are built light in all aspects of the manufacturing and both small and big things have been breaking or being repaired. For example the main shifter between ranges broke two winters ago, it was all plastic. The door handles are now breaking and getting those replaced is miserable. The big issue is the lighter built hydraulic hoses and connections. The main section distributor connector for the front end loader started leaking the second year. We needed to go through the entire system with new seals and such at about 5 years. I have an older New Holland 120 horse tractor that I haven't had to do anything to do with they hydraulics. However, if your main purpose is all about using a front end loader you shouldn't be buying one of these tractors to do the work. And back to the real point, I don't think this size of tractor is going to increase your web traffic.
Large equipment use tracks for less field compaction, better for the soil and growing. I’d be extremely interested to see a series on the black kubota. Sound like you’d be useing it for gardening type applications! Those tracks are mattracks I’m sure you can get the load rating from them very easily.
I enjoy seeing what machines you use how there used. What ever you get would be fun to watch and see you use them and set them up what attachments you use
Just wanted to give a little bit of insight on the john deere motors vs kubota. I work for a john deere dealer but ended up buying a new kubota m7060 due to lifting capabilities and engine reliability. I've seen a ton of issues with egr cooler failures on the deere 4.5 unfortunately. They leak coolant into the egr system and into the motor. Also a little bit smaller motor is becoming more of a trend in the deere excavators. The reason is a smaller engine works harder and keeps the emission systems running hotter to keep clean so less egr coolers plugging and sticking egr valves. On a side note I wouldn't get the tracked kubota though. I use my m7060 for logging only and it's worked great without tracks even in soft ground. Thanks for the videos.
I think it's worth considering not just what you plan do WITH the tractor, but also what you plan to do TO the tractor. If you'll be adding Summit's multiplier kit, then the number of rear remotes doesn't matter so much. Also, since you use the 3 point most, I think that's a pretty good reason to go with the higher capacity in the Kubota.
Worked on alot of diesel engines, mostly cat, but you are correct, the kubota smaller displaced engine is more efficient, it almost sounds like it's a turbo diesel. That difference in displacement makes up a large portion of the 500lb overall weight difference.
Bought the JD 5075E cab version for our airport about 5 years ago. Purchased with a 10' plow blade, HLA snow pusher with HDPW blades from Good Works tractor ❤ and 85" rear mounted Erskin snowblower and a 15' bat wing mower. Has over 1000 hrs on it plowing a 3,500' long runway, snow blowing the windrows back beyond the runway lights and mowing approximately 65 acres. Love the machine! Not a big fan of John Deere lately though as the value for what you pay for doesnt seem there. They seem to be riding on their name instead of actual quality. Just purchased a Mahindra with cab for my parents rather than a JD.
I would choose that tracked monster. In previous videos you mentioned wet areas. The kower ground pressure will be to your benefit. The larger base should allow for greater kifting capacity. As for the balast, I would consult Rim Guard. The tracks will likely lower your ground speed, but I wouldn't think that would be a huge concern. My grandpa ran bulldozers for about 40 years and we used to say one day they will be on everything. Sadly, he is not here to see it. But he is smiling from ear to ear. ❤
From what I’ve been told the tracks are best for the snow removal. I know with skid steers the track one will out push tires any day of the week. My Cat with snow pusher will move a lot of snow for sure. Out west big farms will at times use tracked tractors when the fields are wet/soft. My cousin in Ohio has one for that reason.
I don't want to sound negative here because I think that black Kubota looks sick but tracks are actually THE WORST for pushing snow on heavy equipment. These types of tracks are designed for a vehicle like an SUV or truck to traverse snowy roads that are uncleared. They work ok in soft snow (untracked) and without pushing a load like a plow or snow pusher but they are very slippery on ice and packed snow. As bad as tires without chains or worse for sure. Add an incline and you are completely SCREWED with tracks. you can get studs for tracks but they really only help some, still not great. I know this probably doesn't sound right because you see snow groomers on the ski slopes and snowmobiles but they have a very different and wider track. Also, residential driveways get packed down, freeze/thaw cycles create a layer of ice and become very slippery. Trust me, we have tried all these variants on skid steers at multiple residences in the mountains of Wyoming near Jackson Hole. Everyone always assumes tracks are the best for snow removal but they really aren't. THE best setup for winter pushing snow is wheels/tires with chains - absolutely and with no question. Wheeled machine with chains and a snowblower is even better. Tracks are all around nice and if your surface is asphalt or a melted surface it will be fine but not with packed or frozen smooth snow and ice. Tracks are best more so in wet soil conditions and to minimize tearing up the surface like a lawn, they just don't cut it for snow removal in most winter circumstances.
Sounds like a Great idea for a GWT Road Trip! Definitely Tracks! Wow Factor - Picture definitely caught my attention. But do the comparison of a tracked skid steer vs a rubber tire skid steer - tracked all the way, more versatile as far as traction and ground pressure. Track assemblies definitely should weigh more than a tire filled with fluid! A lot of farmers have gone to tracked machines due to ground pressures and were very surprised at how well they performed (caseIH example) a little more maintenance but well worth the trade off. But once again this video views will tell the tale of if it will benefit your on line business (views and clicks)…. Will be watching to see.
Enjoyed listening to your thought process, it explains how you have become such a successful businessman! The black tracked Kubota is good for one thing, light loads on wet ground. It would look great sitting in front of the business with a bucket full of flowers as a lawn ornament! 😂
I quickly realized when tractor shopping that John Deere was consistently more expensive than the competition dispite having lower specs. My YT347 has the same engine as a 4044R, but 6 more PTO HP because the I-HMT is so much more efficient. FEL capabilities are a wash, but the Yanmar has better hydraulics and outlifts the JD by 256 lbs at 2'. It was within a couple hundred $ with rear remotes and 3rd function vs an unoptioned 4044R. I just didn't see the sense in paying more for less capability.
Just so you know... The Kubota M5 series can add a creeper option (as can the M4 series). The Deere 5E series do not offer a creeper option at all, but the 5M series does. Although the creeper won't be used a lot, it does give you a geared transmission pseudo equivalent to the creeping ability of a hydro.
I am in the market next year for an M5! SO I hope you get one.. The 4 is just not enough HP. Kioti seems like its a solid tractor more flow. But the dealers seem to not really be tractor people. At least in the sizes we are talking here.
I obviously don't know details but: 1) In general track assemblies are much heavier than wheels, even with heavy cast centers. 2) Your travel speeds will be about 50% (Smaller diameter wheels) (Note: I am retired from Deere).
I think in your position it’s great idea to move through different machines. Think about, we all have something different yet you sell all the attachments we would ever need regardless of brand. For me, go for it.
Love your videos and think we would be good friends... I was laughing at your JCB segment. Keep up the good work! Oh and the video editing is top notch!
I instantly recognized that tractor! I am from where they are selling it. My brother knows some of the guys that work there and I forgot the story behind it. I will have to ask him about it again.
That tall speed racking behind you in this video is a good reason your new tractor needs an loader… skids are great and lift allot, although they do not lift high. The first set of shelves great, the second it will get it up close but that’s about it.
The internet is great for spending someone else’s money. That kubota does look cool. You’d be able to answer all the questions of weight, lifting, operating, functioning. Like you said it will add content
I would say to go for it your actually gaining with the tracks and they are much heavier than tires they float better on soft ground having more contact point to the ground than tires also increaing traction im looking for a track kit for a compact kabota (30hp) for doing driveways repairs gravel and dirt work
A couple of things to think qbiut with the mattrax before purchasing. Tracks are super expensive when replacing, they don’t last long on hard surfaces. Track maintenance is a lot more such as greasing, cleaning, and debris clean out. Turning radius is reduced significantly. They hate asphalt and concrete. Tractor looses top speed and you run in 4wd full time. Experience..we run 3 tractors with mattrax for snow removal and muddy conditions as well as land clearing for stability and high puncture areas. We love them. But I’ve noticed you don’t like added maintenance and tracks are 100% more maintenance and certainly cost more to maintain
Look at case quad track, magnum trac, and cat challenger tractors to name a few. Theres good reasons to get it. Id want it as a specific use tractor tho, so if thats in the budget, absolutely get it.
In my opinion, tracks on a tractor like that is like putting low pro wide tires on a heavy duty pickup. Sure it's different but I don't see it as that beneficial. If you aren't worried about soil compaction then what's the point. Just my opinion.
I think the tracks would be awesome, if you don’t like it I’m sure you can sell it and still get some money back out of what you get from the videos. The tracks would be interesting to see how they work in different conditions and so forth
Look into the 2023 and newer John Deere emissions compared to the Kubota. John Deere stopped with regen in 2023. I have a 5067e. 2023 model. Absolutely love it. No regen. Do t get caught up on rear 3 point lift capacity. What will you have that needs 4-5k capacity? I have never seen you sell anything for tractors that weighs that much. Also look at resale of the 2 brand of tractors. I have owned both brands so I am like both. But I love my new John Deere.
Courtney, resist the temptation on the black one, it will be useless as a tractor... I grew up running Case IH, great product, but resale sucks, as it does on the Kubota, so I now run JD. I am currently selling a 2014 5075e for more than I paid for it new, so please consider that in your decision...
Also, with sub compact as your main target market, why not make your own black out deere, kubota, kioti ? That would make a nice video series start to finish!
Love the murdered out kubota. I am a die hard Deere guy but that black Kubota is pretty darn cool. Not really a track fan, but I am curious if it comes with stock tires and rims as well, or what it takes to swap it back over to tires. I recently traded both my 5Ms (one was the old barn find 5115M I had bought from you) off on a pair 5125Rs. One is a new 2022 the other was a low hour 2018. Love these 5R, by far the nicest tractors I have ever owned or even operated. The hydraulics are incredible on the 5Rs. Think skid steer like hydraulics, command quad transmissions. Note 2022 was the last year for 5Rs. Nothing I have seen on the market in this class machine comes even close to a high option 5R.
Ok I’m making a second comment after listening to what you had to say about the kubota. Here’s what I think. I can understand all the reasons it isn’t necessary but I’ll tell you right now, that’s a million view video if you get that thing, potentially. I wouldn’t worry about making your money back on it so long as you really work on marketing it and make the videos are A1. Secondly I would think those track carriages can handle more than you think. They offer a larger footprint and seem to be designed in the geometric shape they are, just to handle the loader weight you are suggesting. Thirdly, this is a new attachment opportunity for you. Most ag tractors that are two track have the option to add suitcase weights to the track carriage. I bet you could figure out how to do that since you’ll lack the rim guard ballast. If these size tractors start making tracks the norm, then that wouldn’t be a bad solution to figure out.
Just FYI you can drive a 5R with command quart transmission without ever touching the clutch. Lift capacity is over 5K, weight is around 12k with loader, hydraulics think skid steer level. A high optioned 5R with command quad 32 and the command arm is the king of the 5 series or 100-125hp class utility class, also compare turning radius the 5R can’t be be beat. Hydraulics are 25-28 gpm. Do some research on the 5R, mine have impressed me more then any other machine I have ever seen on the market. It’s how I ended up with two of them. Was originally only trading one of my 5Ms, but once I had the first 5R I knew I would never want to climb into my other 5M again. Lol So found another 5125R and traded it too.
What is the weight comparison of a track and track assembly compared to a rim guard loaded wheel/tire? It might be enough to offset the difference. The width at least looks like an advantage. Pretty beast looking tractor.
What is your opinion on Massey Ferguson Tractors and have you ever had the opportunity to use one? They have been around a long time therefore has a decent dealership network also.
You're talking agricultural equipment and I am but a gardener (maybe 200 x 200 ft cultivated) with 20 acres to play with shagging firewood and a short paved (circular) driveway to plow, 150 ft of crusher run/gravel path to the sheds, and maybe one acre of lawn. You're on your own for this. But I do know caterpillar tracks don't sink and spread the weight over a large area and so they do not need beet juice. The whole point is lots of contact surface without the extra weight. But don't forget the rear weight box or 100 41# suitcase weights if you want to lift 4,000# at the nose.
I'd give deutz fahr a look there getting a good foot holed over and they are an excellent tractor where you were looking at them in the agricultural show you visited at the beginning of the year the Chanel farm hand Mike on UA-cam a good place to get American prospective on them and tractor Ben a dealer like your self definitely worth giving them a look😃👍
I would think the intent was for use on possible a sod farm to reduce compaction, it doesn’t look practical for farming with the reduced ground clearance. To keep from tearing up the ground you would have to make wide turns all the time.
Heck with all of those, i want to see you try out the new kioti hx1151c that thing is a beast, you should also try out the new kioti ctl750 im so impressed. Die hard kioti guy right here and i have owned alot of different tractors and different brands and ill never go back to any other brand.
Excellent point. Your attachment videos are the best. My best source for education regarding attachments, as evidenced by my barn full of your products
The only downside I would think with having tracks on a tractor, would be no ballast/rim guard in the tires as an option. There is a reason no one really does this on tractors. A hybrid solution might be neat. Tires in the rear, tracks in the front. Tires for rim guard and tracks in the front for better traction. As this tractor stands, I think it's going to be light in the rear end.
I would say NO!! You have two very good reasons which you listed right off. That is a solid no! Wants are not needs and in your business those tracks are a really big IF and they affect your advertisement and most people will not go with tracks. The Kubota wins on all the points you quoted!!
I think the black tracked tractor looks awesome and is very cool. But if your goal is to demo implements for your potential customers, you should stick to what they have. Or you would have to caveat each video with "at least on this tracked tractor". How many of your customer will have a tractor with tracks? Flip side, it will probably bring new people to watch your videos. But my vote is for a wheeled Kubota M5 series that you can use to showcase the larger tractor implements.
I think it is cool as heck and would like one too, but....I would run it before I made any kind of offer. Surely they would let you test with some implements. Good luck.
Keep the M4 and buy the M5 and try that for awhile. Then if you still want to sell the M4 you can. That way you are making a completely informed decision. You might not like the M5 and not want to keep that. By doing it this way as I said you end up making an informed decision..Personally I hope you keep the M4, I like seeing you operating in Orange.
LS has some pretty cool looking big boy tractors. The MT7101 perhaps? Maybe a future test/purchase? Unrelated question: anybody know if software adjustments to unlock power are legal if owners don't mess with the physical exhaust system? Thanks!
We use also mt7101 cps for tree worl and light logging it's a beast picked up a 60 inch pin oak log 9 ft long have a large chipper on the back plus tires of full of fluid
My M5-111 ate front axle bearings and gears with tires on I can’t imagine what the tracks would do. I’m so glad my m5 was a lease and went back it was junk compared to my M7060 that I have. There light tractors that don’t ride well for what they cost. Get a 4710 Massey Ferguson or a 5711d Massey Ferguson they kill the deer and kubota lines.
Get what you want but wait 6 months. I had a JD 5510 and got that itch and have regretted it since. That Kubota (M5) would be cool during snow season or if it can run a mulcher where the conditions are wet. Question: if you had cash, equal to the amount of what I wanted to buy, would you use it all for the purchase. If so, buy it, if not let it go.
Tractors are a bright color for a reason! Visibility!!! I think a trend of customization that makes a vehicle more dangerous is not a good one. That murdered out rig pushing snow on a dark grey day during white out (or just a heavy fog) will be much more difficult to see… Not a good idea.
Have you factored in the expected economic downturn vs your available capital? Not knowing your finances makes outside advice speculative and/or emotional. The way to get around the latter is to forget it for a month or two. New tractors won't disappear during that time but your may find you can live without a new one----or not----, but it will no longer be an impulse buy. During that time faster, better, cheaper may also pop up or not. It's not as if you want a one-of-a-kind item, so hanging onto your available cash likely won't make much difference for the next 2 - 3 months. And as you said, your selling market/customer base is attachments for smaller units. That by itself puts you in a starting position of limited utility and return even though physical size and storage space is not a concern for you. Some decisions are judgment calls and others are "because that's what I want to do." So what now? Put it in the back of your head for 60 - 90 days and let it percolate. When you least expect it you will have your answer. Perhaps 80% of the time you will find you can live without it. And who knows? During that time something may pop up that makes the decision for you. You are an intelligent man with a good brain that arrives at logical and sensible conclusions. Put your brain on auto pilot and let it figure it out for you. It took me a while to learn that and how to do it but it is an invaluable tool for close or difficult decisions.
I gotta think the turning radius on those tracks is going to be not so good, and they're going to tear up the ground when you do turn. Those seem more like straight line machines over soft ground, like tilling crop fields.
Unless you are pushing snow, those tracks seem impractical. Honestly I think you're going to regret it, the black paint looks really cool though. If you really want tracks, see if you can find a set for the winter.
@@GoodWorksTractors yea I could see that helping, wouldn't a skid steer meet your needs? Not sure what your trying to achieve in muddy fields, my assumption would be brush hogging some muddy spots. Maybe that should have been brought up in the video, I just feel like with that kind of money being spent there's got to be a better purpose built piece of equipment.
IMO keep your M4. We run all older international on our farm and have been interested in newer attachments and how they work on larger older tractors. Id say an older 706-1086 their cheap and provide plenty of HP and weight and are cost effective. I know a lot of people that have them for smaller to mid sized acreages.
While that tractor looks super cool, it is a pure pulling machine on soft ground where the farmer does not want soil compaction. It is not a lifting machine. To safely lift the kind a weight that loader is capable, I think you would need a more robust set of tracks., say something along the size of an armored personnel carriers tracks. Then there is the counterbalance you mentioned. Will those rear tracks support a down load of a few of extra tons? Bottom line, I do not think those tracks will take a lifting load nor will the tractor safely lift anything close to it's limit.
The jcb skid steer is probably the mother bord that is broken they are famous for that. The M5 is a cool looking tractor, but probably not very practical for you in what, u do and the ride would be terrible and probably regret buying it for sure. u would want to physically go and drive the tractor, and try some work with it especially with that $50k up charge
John Deere is at 4600lbs on the 3pt on the 5100E. The data on tractor data is the old model, not the current model tractor. This switched on the newest (2024) model.
I'm staring at it right now. John Deere 5100e, 2018-2024 lists 3,213 lbs. www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/010/3/4/10346-john-deere-5100e.html I see 4,600 lbs on Deere's site at the base of the 3 point arms which is not 24" away from the ends. Huge difference. www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/5-family-utility-tractors/5100e-utility-tractor/
I've watched your vids the last couple years because they seemed to give good practical advice for average users looking at or already using various compact tractors, and all the things you can do with them. Keywords there being "practical", "average user", and "compact". That machine just looks like clickbait to me, and since I'm not remotely in the market for a 5-series or larger Ag-tractor, moving in this direction will send me in the opposite direction. But that's just me and my own personal situation. Also, the clickbait worked because it baited me into clicking on this. LOL
Forget the tractor with tracks. It's used mostly for snow trail maintenance or cranberries harvest, which is why its made to be lighter. If you use it to move stuff around with the loader, you'll find yourself in a lot or repairs that are costly. And when you'll get the hitch the sell it because you can't use it as often as you thought, you'll have a hard time selling it because the market for this kind of equipment is limited. Just my 2 cent. Good day!
The problem i see with your new m5 isnt weight... Tracks are sorta heavy and can be made heavier. Problem is, they require more maintenance and the belts themselves are not exactly intuitive to change on your own and expensive. Also, tracks prefer to run in straight lines, so probably wont turn as well as your M4. Those tracks need grease in at least 2 spots more likely 5 or 6.
I understand your attraction to JD and Kubota. They are the movers! I can tell by some of your remarks that your not a FARM BOY or a KNUCKLE BUSTER. ( mechanic ) As I'm a little of both; my advise to you is walk away from that SMALL QAUDTRAC! Why do you think it's used and for sale !? It's a TOY like most of the pickup trucks today!!! You can't lay a eight foot piece of lumber flat in the bed in most pickups today.
Here's my suggestion. Hear me out. All of my tractors have been John Deere, and I don't think I've ever compared outside of Deere. Listening to the specs for the M5, I think you get more for your money. That being said, and I hate to say it, but I would go with Kubota. Can't believe I suggested that.
I work at a Kubota/New Holland dealer. We install the tracks (many different manufacturers) on both brands. Bye and large these are sold to snowmobile clubs to maintain trails. So lightness is key to keep from destroying the trails.
Be warned… They are EXTREMELY HARD on the front axles if you’re actually working them. We replace several axle housings every year because of damage caused by the increased leverage on the wheel ends. We also have a couple customers that run them in softer fields for hey or corn.
Yeah I would expect high maintenance for sure
i think thats why deeres 8rx has a super heavy front axle compared to the standard r series
The number of tractors you need has been mathematically computed and pre justified for you. N+1=the correct answer. N being the number of tractors you own…this is how I explain things to my wife, it’s all science! 😅
🤣🤣🤣I’m takin that!!!😂😂😂
That same formula also works for guitars, motorcycles, dogs and cigars.
This is great logic.
Absolute fact
Beware of the turnabout-fair-play re: shoes, purses…
I've owned and farmed with a Kubota M100 for over 10 years. It's a good, but light tractor. Most days I regret that i didn't buy the comparable JD or New Holland 100 to 120 horse power tractor. The Kubota's are built light in all aspects of the manufacturing and both small and big things have been breaking or being repaired. For example the main shifter between ranges broke two winters ago, it was all plastic. The door handles are now breaking and getting those replaced is miserable. The big issue is the lighter built hydraulic hoses and connections. The main section distributor connector for the front end loader started leaking the second year. We needed to go through the entire system with new seals and such at about 5 years. I have an older New Holland 120 horse tractor that I haven't had to do anything to do with they hydraulics.
However, if your main purpose is all about using a front end loader you shouldn't be buying one of these tractors to do the work. And back to the real point, I don't think this size of tractor is going to increase your web traffic.
Not here to talk you off, here to talk you on! That thing is SICK!!!!!
Get the new Kioti HX while you’re at it! That things a beast
Large equipment use tracks for less field compaction, better for the soil and growing. I’d be extremely interested to see a series on the black kubota. Sound like you’d be useing it for gardening type applications! Those tracks are mattracks I’m sure you can get the load rating from them very easily.
Dont see these in a field with a LOADER. The front axle, and NO suspension = Major wear
I enjoy seeing what machines you use how there used. What ever you get would be fun to watch and see you use them and set them up what attachments you use
Just wanted to give a little bit of insight on the john deere motors vs kubota. I work for a john deere dealer but ended up buying a new kubota m7060 due to lifting capabilities and engine reliability. I've seen a ton of issues with egr cooler failures on the deere 4.5 unfortunately. They leak coolant into the egr system and into the motor. Also a little bit smaller motor is becoming more of a trend in the deere excavators. The reason is a smaller engine works harder and keeps the emission systems running hotter to keep clean so less egr coolers plugging and sticking egr valves. On a side note I wouldn't get the tracked kubota though. I use my m7060 for logging only and it's worked great without tracks even in soft ground. Thanks for the videos.
I think it's worth considering not just what you plan do WITH the tractor, but also what you plan to do TO the tractor. If you'll be adding Summit's multiplier kit, then the number of rear remotes doesn't matter so much.
Also, since you use the 3 point most, I think that's a pretty good reason to go with the higher capacity in the Kubota.
if your using 3 point implements, when you get above so many ponies a lot of that equipment goes to the drawbar on a hammerstrap
Better you than me. I have no need for something that big. Will make some cool videos for us to watch!
Worked on alot of diesel engines, mostly cat, but you are correct, the kubota smaller displaced engine is more efficient, it almost sounds like it's a turbo diesel. That difference in displacement makes up a large portion of the 500lb overall weight difference.
Bought the JD 5075E cab version for our airport about 5 years ago. Purchased with a 10' plow blade, HLA snow pusher with HDPW blades from Good Works tractor ❤ and 85" rear mounted Erskin snowblower and a 15' bat wing mower. Has over 1000 hrs on it plowing a 3,500' long runway, snow blowing the windrows back beyond the runway lights and mowing approximately 65 acres. Love the machine! Not a big fan of John Deere lately though as the value for what you pay for doesnt seem there. They seem to be riding on their name instead of actual quality. Just purchased a Mahindra with cab for my parents rather than a JD.
I would choose that tracked monster. In previous videos you mentioned wet areas. The kower ground pressure will be to your benefit. The larger base should allow for greater kifting capacity. As for the balast, I would consult Rim Guard. The tracks will likely lower your ground speed, but I wouldn't think that would be a huge concern. My grandpa ran bulldozers for about 40 years and we used to say one day they will be on everything. Sadly, he is not here to see it. But he is smiling from ear to ear. ❤
From what I’ve been told the tracks are best for the snow removal. I know with skid steers the track one will out push tires any day of the week. My Cat with snow pusher will move a lot of snow for sure. Out west big farms will at times use tracked tractors when the fields are wet/soft. My cousin in Ohio has one for that reason.
I don't want to sound negative here because I think that black Kubota looks sick but tracks are actually THE WORST for pushing snow on heavy equipment. These types of tracks are designed for a vehicle like an SUV or truck to traverse snowy roads that are uncleared. They work ok in soft snow (untracked) and without pushing a load like a plow or snow pusher but they are very slippery on ice and packed snow. As bad as tires without chains or worse for sure. Add an incline and you are completely SCREWED with tracks. you can get studs for tracks but they really only help some, still not great. I know this probably doesn't sound right because you see snow groomers on the ski slopes and snowmobiles but they have a very different and wider track. Also, residential driveways get packed down, freeze/thaw cycles create a layer of ice and become very slippery. Trust me, we have tried all these variants on skid steers at multiple residences in the mountains of Wyoming near Jackson Hole. Everyone always assumes tracks are the best for snow removal but they really aren't. THE best setup for winter pushing snow is wheels/tires with chains - absolutely and with no question. Wheeled machine with chains and a snowblower is even better. Tracks are all around nice and if your surface is asphalt or a melted surface it will be fine but not with packed or frozen smooth snow and ice. Tracks are best more so in wet soil conditions and to minimize tearing up the surface like a lawn, they just don't cut it for snow removal in most winter circumstances.
Sounds like a Great idea for a GWT Road Trip!
Definitely Tracks! Wow Factor - Picture definitely caught my attention. But do the comparison of a tracked skid steer vs a rubber tire skid steer - tracked all the way, more versatile as far as traction and ground pressure. Track assemblies definitely should weigh more than a tire filled with fluid! A lot of farmers have gone to tracked machines due to ground pressures and were very surprised at how well they performed (caseIH example) a little more maintenance but well worth the trade off. But once again this video views will tell the tale of if it will benefit your on line business (views and clicks)…. Will be watching to see.
Enjoyed listening to your thought process, it explains how you have become such a successful businessman! The black tracked Kubota is good for one thing, light loads on wet ground. It would look great sitting in front of the business with a bucket full of flowers as a lawn ornament! 😂
Keep the one you have and get that sweet machine! It’s super cool!
Courtney, this reminds when you had JD E series with rear and front duals. That was one coolest looking tractors
I quickly realized when tractor shopping that John Deere was consistently more expensive than the competition dispite having lower specs. My YT347 has the same engine as a 4044R, but 6 more PTO HP because the I-HMT is so much more efficient. FEL capabilities are a wash, but the Yanmar has better hydraulics and outlifts the JD by 256 lbs at 2'. It was within a couple hundred $ with rear remotes and 3rd function vs an unoptioned 4044R. I just didn't see the sense in paying more for less capability.
Just so you know... The Kubota M5 series can add a creeper option (as can the M4 series). The Deere 5E series do not offer a creeper option at all, but the 5M series does. Although the creeper won't be used a lot, it does give you a geared transmission pseudo equivalent to the creeping ability of a hydro.
Nice comets sweatshirt…will be there today for a cross country race.
I am in the market next year for an M5! SO I hope you get one.. The 4 is just not enough HP. Kioti seems like its a solid tractor more flow. But the dealers seem to not really be tractor people. At least in the sizes we are talking here.
I obviously don't know details but:
1) In general track assemblies are much heavier than wheels, even with heavy cast centers.
2) Your travel speeds will be about 50% (Smaller diameter wheels)
(Note: I am retired from Deere).
I think in your position it’s great idea to move through different machines. Think about, we all have something different yet you sell all the attachments we would ever need regardless of brand. For me, go for it.
Love your videos and think we would be good friends... I was laughing at your JCB segment. Keep up the good work! Oh and the video editing is top notch!
I instantly recognized that tractor! I am from where they are selling it. My brother knows some of the guys that work there and I forgot the story behind it. I will have to ask him about it again.
That tall speed racking behind you in this video is a good reason your new tractor needs an loader… skids are great and lift allot, although they do not lift high. The first set of shelves great, the second it will get it up close but that’s about it.
The internet is great for spending someone else’s money. That kubota does look cool. You’d be able to answer all the questions of weight, lifting, operating, functioning. Like you said it will add content
I would say to go for it your actually gaining with the tracks and they are much heavier than tires they float better on soft ground having more contact point to the ground than tires also increaing traction im looking for a track kit for a compact kabota (30hp) for doing driveways repairs gravel and dirt work
A couple of things to think qbiut with the mattrax before purchasing. Tracks are super expensive when replacing, they don’t last long on hard surfaces. Track maintenance is a lot more such as greasing, cleaning, and debris clean out. Turning radius is reduced significantly. They hate asphalt and concrete. Tractor looses top speed and you run in 4wd full time.
Experience..we run 3 tractors with mattrax for snow removal and muddy conditions as well as land clearing for stability and high puncture areas. We love them. But I’ve noticed you don’t like added maintenance and tracks are 100% more maintenance and certainly cost more to maintain
Look at case quad track, magnum trac, and cat challenger tractors to name a few. Theres good reasons to get it.
Id want it as a specific use tractor tho, so if thats in the budget, absolutely get it.
In my opinion, tracks on a tractor like that is like putting low pro wide tires on a heavy duty pickup. Sure it's different but I don't see it as that beneficial. If you aren't worried about soil compaction then what's the point. Just my opinion.
Love my tracks on my side by side. Night and day difference. The only people who don't like tracks are the ones who have never owned/used them.
I think the tracks would be awesome, if you don’t like it I’m sure you can sell it and still get some money back out of what you get from the videos. The tracks would be interesting to see how they work in different conditions and so forth
Look into the 2023 and newer John Deere emissions compared to the Kubota. John Deere stopped with regen in 2023. I have a 5067e. 2023 model. Absolutely love it. No regen. Do t get caught up on rear 3 point lift capacity. What will you have that needs 4-5k capacity? I have never seen you sell anything for tractors that weighs that much. Also look at resale of the 2 brand of tractors. I have owned both brands so I am like both. But I love my new John Deere.
Courtney, resist the temptation on the black one, it will be useless as a tractor... I grew up running Case IH, great product, but resale sucks, as it does on the Kubota, so I now run JD. I am currently selling a 2014 5075e for more than I paid for it new, so please consider that in your decision...
Also, with sub compact as your main target market, why not make your own black out deere, kubota, kioti ? That would make a nice video series start to finish!
Love the murdered out kubota. I am a die hard Deere guy but that black Kubota is pretty darn cool.
Not really a track fan, but I am curious if it comes with stock tires and rims as well, or what it takes to swap it back over to tires.
I recently traded both my 5Ms (one was the old barn find 5115M I had bought from you) off on a pair 5125Rs.
One is a new 2022 the other was a low hour 2018. Love these 5R, by far the nicest tractors I have ever owned or even operated.
The hydraulics are incredible on the 5Rs. Think skid steer like hydraulics, command quad transmissions.
Note 2022 was the last year for 5Rs. Nothing I have seen on the market in this class machine comes even close to a high option 5R.
Yeah full set of wheels and tires included
Tractors have wheels snowmobile’s have tracks. Get yourself a snowmobile with a loader!
I always love watching your videos so much new stuff out there keep up the great videos😊👍🏻💃I have always been a John Deere girl
Ok I’m making a second comment after listening to what you had to say about the kubota. Here’s what I think. I can understand all the reasons it isn’t necessary but I’ll tell you right now, that’s a million view video if you get that thing, potentially. I wouldn’t worry about making your money back on it so long as you really work on marketing it and make the videos are A1. Secondly I would think those track carriages can handle more than you think. They offer a larger footprint and seem to be designed in the geometric shape they are, just to handle the loader weight you are suggesting. Thirdly, this is a new attachment opportunity for you. Most ag tractors that are two track have the option to add suitcase weights to the track carriage. I bet you could figure out how to do that since you’ll lack the rim guard ballast. If these size tractors start making tracks the norm, then that wouldn’t be a bad solution to figure out.
The Massey Ferguson 5S has a nicer interior, excellent control distribution.
Their dyna transmission is also a plus
Just FYI you can drive a 5R with command quart transmission without ever touching the clutch. Lift capacity is over 5K, weight is around 12k with loader, hydraulics think skid steer level.
A high optioned 5R with command quad 32 and the command arm is the king of the 5 series or 100-125hp class utility class, also compare turning radius the 5R can’t be be beat.
Hydraulics are 25-28 gpm. Do some research on the 5R, mine have impressed me more then any other machine I have ever seen on the market. It’s how I ended up with two of them.
Was originally only trading one of my 5Ms, but once I had the first 5R I knew I would never want to climb into my other 5M again. Lol So found another 5125R and traded it too.
What is the weight comparison of a track and track assembly compared to a rim guard loaded wheel/tire? It might be enough to offset the difference. The width at least looks like an advantage. Pretty beast looking tractor.
That’s my question too
What is your opinion on Massey Ferguson Tractors and have you ever had the opportunity to use one? They have been around a long time therefore has a decent dealership network also.
Less talking more buying 😂😂 the tracks are the new video series!!! Even TTWT will be jealous. Tracks are my vote !!
I would be concerned with the tracks coming off while lifting and turning at the same time.
Have fun.
GOD bless 😊
Would like to see you get a 3 point boom arm mower for your rig. To mow ditches and trees/brush. Get one with 20' reach. It will fit best on a M6!
What biggest selling attachment are sold. Or if you are doing more land to work. Or start snow grooming. Hard to say. Good luck.
Even though I will never be in the market for a tractor of that size, it IS extremely good-looking, LOL
I'm guessing if you go with Blackie, you'll be provided with content of its many issues. It does look cool though.
Both great tractors. I look at the dealer and closet has best service/mechanics
You're talking agricultural equipment and I am but a gardener (maybe 200 x 200 ft cultivated) with 20 acres to play with shagging firewood and a short paved (circular) driveway to plow, 150 ft of crusher run/gravel path to the sheds, and maybe one acre of lawn. You're on your own for this. But I do know caterpillar tracks don't sink and spread the weight over a large area and so they do not need beet juice. The whole point is lots of contact surface without the extra weight. But don't forget the rear weight box or 100 41# suitcase weights if you want to lift 4,000# at the nose.
I'd give deutz fahr a look there getting a good foot holed over and they are an excellent tractor where you were looking at them in the agricultural show you visited at the beginning of the year the Chanel farm hand Mike on UA-cam a good place to get American prospective on them and tractor Ben a dealer like your self definitely worth giving them a look😃👍
I would think the intent was for use on possible a sod farm to reduce compaction, it doesn’t look practical for farming with the reduced ground clearance. To keep from tearing up the ground you would have to make wide turns all the time.
There are more and more, tractors, combines, and grain carts going to tracks every year. The technology is much better now that it was 10 years ago.
It would be interesting to actually test that lift capacity vs what the specs say.
Heck with all of those, i want to see you try out the new kioti hx1151c that thing is a beast, you should also try out the new kioti ctl750 im so impressed. Die hard kioti guy right here and i have owned alot of different tractors and different brands and ill never go back to any other brand.
The new kioti 120 hp is on my list
Courtney. If you’re wanting to upgrade to increase your marketability, how many of your customers could relate to the black Kubota with tracks?
It’s a tractor, I use tractors to showcase attachments
Excellent point. Your attachment videos are the best. My best source for education regarding attachments, as evidenced by my barn full of your products
Very interesting comparisons. Thanks
My guess is the 5100 3pt capacity is due to construction of the rear-end. Is the transmission case aluminum like the smaller tractors?
The only downside I would think with having tracks on a tractor, would be no ballast/rim guard in the tires as an option. There is a reason no one really does this on tractors. A hybrid solution might be neat. Tires in the rear, tracks in the front. Tires for rim guard and tracks in the front for better traction.
As this tractor stands, I think it's going to be light in the rear end.
I would say NO!! You have two very good reasons which you listed right off. That is a solid no! Wants are not needs and in your business those tracks are a really big IF and they affect your advertisement and most people will not go with tracks. The Kubota wins on all the points you quoted!!
Not buying it to sell tracked machines though…showing attachments that work in the tractor
Another equipment that will be interesting to see in your channel is a construction backhoe, like a Case 580 or a JD 310, but a side shift machine
Jcb is the only company doing side shift backhoes from what I have looked and seen he will not buy jcb again
@@VroomNBoom Cat and Case both have side shift
@@nrosario ah ok I never new that I only new that jcb did because I was wanting a 1cxt compact backhoe till I seen how the treated goodworkstractors
I think the black tracked tractor looks awesome and is very cool. But if your goal is to demo implements for your potential customers, you should stick to what they have. Or you would have to caveat each video with "at least on this tracked tractor". How many of your customer will have a tractor with tracks? Flip side, it will probably bring new people to watch your videos. But my vote is for a wheeled Kubota M5 series that you can use to showcase the larger tractor implements.
People i know that have or had a 5E series Deere had issues with them. They were less than 75 hp tractors though.....
I think it is cool as heck and would like one too, but....I would run it before I made any kind of offer. Surely they would let you test with some implements. Good luck.
Keep the M4 and buy the M5 and try that for awhile. Then if you still want to sell the M4 you can. That way you are making a completely informed decision. You might not like the M5 and not want to keep that. By doing it this way as I said you end up making an informed decision..Personally I hope you keep the M4, I like seeing you operating in Orange.
Get Nokian Hakkapeliittas TRI tires for the best winter traction. Or go with Nokian TRI 2 for good snow and good summer traction.
LS has some pretty cool looking big boy tractors. The MT7101 perhaps? Maybe a future test/purchase? Unrelated question: anybody know if software adjustments to unlock power are legal if owners don't mess with the physical exhaust system? Thanks!
We use also mt7101 cps for tree worl and light logging it's a beast picked up a 60 inch pin oak log 9 ft long have a large chipper on the back plus tires of full of fluid
My M5-111 ate front axle bearings and gears with tires on I can’t imagine what the tracks would do. I’m so glad my m5 was a lease and went back it was junk compared to my M7060 that I have. There light tractors that don’t ride well for what they cost. Get a 4710 Massey Ferguson or a 5711d Massey Ferguson they kill the deer and kubota lines.
What would you sell for?? Would you take trade ? I have a 2010 JD 5055E. Open station
Not looking to downsize
Get what you want but wait 6 months. I had a JD 5510 and got that itch and have regretted it since. That Kubota (M5) would be cool during snow season or if it can run a mulcher where the conditions are wet. Question: if you had cash, equal to the amount of what I wanted to buy, would you use it all for the purchase. If so, buy it, if not let it go.
Tractors are a bright color for a reason! Visibility!!!
I think a trend of customization that makes a vehicle more dangerous is not a good one.
That murdered out rig pushing snow on a dark grey day during white out (or just a heavy fog) will be much more difficult to see… Not a good idea.
Have you factored in the expected economic downturn vs your available capital? Not knowing your finances makes outside advice speculative and/or emotional. The way to get around the latter is to forget it for a month or two. New tractors won't disappear during that time but your may find you can live without a new one----or not----, but it will no longer be an impulse buy. During that time faster, better, cheaper may also pop up or not. It's not as if you want a one-of-a-kind item, so hanging onto your available cash likely won't make much difference for the next 2 - 3 months. And as you said, your selling market/customer base is attachments for smaller units. That by itself puts you in a starting position of limited utility and return even though physical size and storage space is not a concern for you.
Some decisions are judgment calls and others are "because that's what I want to do."
So what now? Put it in the back of your head for 60 - 90 days and let it percolate. When you least expect it you will have your answer. Perhaps 80% of the time you will find you can live without it.
And who knows? During that time something may pop up that makes the decision for you.
You are an intelligent man with a good brain that arrives at logical and sensible conclusions. Put your brain on auto pilot and let it figure it out for you. It took me a while to learn that and how to do it but it is an invaluable tool for close or difficult decisions.
I gotta think the turning radius on those tracks is going to be not so good, and they're going to tear up the ground when you do turn. Those seem more like straight line machines over soft ground, like tilling crop fields.
Check out the MF 5710. I love my Massey. I have the 1835m.
Unless you are pushing snow, those tracks seem impractical. Honestly I think you're going to regret it, the black paint looks really cool though. If you really want tracks, see if you can find a set for the winter.
I’ve got really wet areas that they might help in.
@@GoodWorksTractors yea I could see that helping, wouldn't a skid steer meet your needs? Not sure what your trying to achieve in muddy fields, my assumption would be brush hogging some muddy spots. Maybe that should have been brought up in the video, I just feel like with that kind of money being spent there's got to be a better purpose built piece of equipment.
@@justin6409 Yeah, I've got a tracksteer. I don't do things just because they are practical though...I'm crazy like that :)
@@GoodWorksTractors lmao, hey sounds like you just love having fun, nothing wrong with that! :)
Can you get certified by John deere and do your own warranty work? It sounds like there is a need. At least the smaller tractors.
buy it have fun assuming you can write off any loss regardless... still cash but can not hurt ;-)
IMO keep your M4. We run all older international on our farm and have been interested in newer attachments and how they work on larger older tractors. Id say an older 706-1086 their cheap and provide plenty of HP and weight and are cost effective. I know a lot of people that have them for smaller to mid sized acreages.
is there a tractor model out there with a high flow hydraulic option so that you can run high flow skid steer attachments?
I want you to get it because it's freakin awesome and I want to see a demo.
While that tractor looks super cool, it is a pure pulling machine on soft ground where the farmer does not want soil compaction. It is not a lifting machine. To safely lift the kind a weight that loader is capable, I think you would need a more robust set of tracks., say something along the size of an armored personnel carriers tracks. Then there is the counterbalance you mentioned. Will those rear tracks support a down load of a few of extra tons? Bottom line, I do not think those tracks will take a lifting load nor will the tractor safely lift anything close to it's limit.
ua-cam.com/video/ISwnmXIfxYI/v-deo.html This is what a Working Tractor Tracks look like, not these toys designed for UTVs in the snow.
I like the rear tracks, but rather have tires on the front.
Black is sweet.
Comes with a full set of wheels and tires too
Please consider and check the Massey Ferguson 5S
Check the hood and how they engineered the Dpf system on the side
At least try it
The jcb skid steer is probably the mother bord that is broken they are famous for that. The M5 is a cool looking tractor, but probably not very practical for you in what, u do and the ride would be terrible and probably regret buying it for sure. u would want to physically go and drive the tractor, and try some work with it especially with that $50k up charge
John Deere is at 4600lbs on the 3pt on the 5100E. The data on tractor data is the old model, not the current model tractor. This switched on the newest (2024) model.
I'm staring at it right now. John Deere 5100e, 2018-2024 lists 3,213 lbs. www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/010/3/4/10346-john-deere-5100e.html
I see 4,600 lbs on Deere's site at the base of the 3 point arms which is not 24" away from the ends. Huge difference. www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/5-family-utility-tractors/5100e-utility-tractor/
I've watched your vids the last couple years because they seemed to give good practical advice for average users looking at or already using various compact tractors, and all the things you can do with them. Keywords there being "practical", "average user", and "compact". That machine just looks like clickbait to me, and since I'm not remotely in the market for a 5-series or larger Ag-tractor, moving in this direction will send me in the opposite direction. But that's just me and my own personal situation. Also, the clickbait worked because it baited me into clicking on this. LOL
Do it... because I'll never own one, so I'll watch you, lol. Love my 1025r but if I had the extra cash to go bigger I'd get a 3033r with a cab.
Forget the tractor with tracks. It's used mostly for snow trail maintenance or cranberries harvest, which is why its made to be lighter. If you use it to move stuff around with the loader, you'll find yourself in a lot or repairs that are costly. And when you'll get the hitch the sell it because you can't use it as often as you thought, you'll have a hard time selling it because the market for this kind of equipment is limited. Just my 2 cent. Good day!
Yesss buy that tractor that thing is beautiful!!!!!
Make a movie of you and your brother road trippin down to see this machine (maybe purchase). Bring the gooseneck so you can bring it home. 👍
The problem i see with your new m5 isnt weight... Tracks are sorta heavy and can be made heavier. Problem is, they require more maintenance and the belts themselves are not exactly intuitive to change on your own and expensive. Also, tracks prefer to run in straight lines, so probably wont turn as well as your M4.
Those tracks need grease in at least 2 spots more likely 5 or 6.
Yes get it. I'll be watching
I understand your attraction to JD and Kubota. They are the movers!
I can tell by some of your remarks that your not a FARM BOY or a KNUCKLE BUSTER. ( mechanic )
As I'm a little of both; my advise to you is walk away from that SMALL QAUDTRAC! Why do you think it's used and for sale !?
It's a TOY like most of the pickup trucks today!!! You can't lay a eight foot piece of lumber flat in the bed in most pickups today.
Other tractors have Deere smoked to , Kioti and Tym for example
Here's my suggestion. Hear me out. All of my tractors have been John Deere, and I don't think I've ever compared outside of Deere. Listening to the specs for the M5, I think you get more for your money. That being said, and I hate to say it, but I would go with Kubota. Can't believe I suggested that.
I know what you mean
Down side to the tracks is when it's time to replace them they cost alot
You said there weren't any used Kioti s on the market but a Kioti new is proble in the same price range!