Right? I love when he starts a new lecture series and tells us how many parts it will be so I know to expect/check every month for the next in the series
As a Canadian these lectures have been a hard pill to swallow, as I'm still living amongst the legacy of all these efforts of conversion. Especially with the ever mounting discoveries of unmarked graves of thousands of Indigenous children on the former sites of the Residential School.
Alec is always a pleasure to listen to, but I was disappointed to hear nothing about the unique experience of the Cherokee with respect to missionary reception and adoption of selected accessories of European culture without abjection submission or cultural suicide.
Glad you liked it! Fair point about the Cherokee ... my only defence is that the story didn't quite fit my time-frame, with most of the most interesting parts of it falling after US independence.
I wanted to avoid making any comments, Rev. Prof. Ryrie, but my still-invisible staff asked that I do so. So, I will give a very clipped critique here. In terms of the broad brush of the history of Christian Churches in the New (to the Settlers) World, in 45 minutes of prepared remarks, the sweep is almost breathtaking and comprehensive enough. Having said that, speaking in my role as Metacom's Heir, I must say that the characterizations of the 1638 (post Pequot "War") period through 1676 (with no doubt Metacom's head on a pike in Plymouth) are probably very incorrect. Also of some note probably should have been some further details of Roger Williams and the attempt at colonizing Providence, which some have argued should have been the center of trade in New England, because the harbor of Narragansett Bay is much better than Boston was/is. And, all of the mistreatment of the Indians in the City of Boston in John Winthrop's and Sir Henry Vane's 1630s (some of my ancestors were there) Puritan utopia created an enmity that made the "Praying Indians" the semi-disaster it became. Distrust was very high, especially when people were not allowed on the land they considered was their own. Puritan Winthrop put down the gauntlet almost instantly. And ministers who rebelled went to Cambridge and Providence -- and Salem. Or so the history has been written so far. Also, it may have been interesting to get into why it was the French got along with the Indians so much better than the British in Canada, along the St. Lawrence. You did not have enough time to get into all of this. But, there were a few nuggets that may have explained why "no doubt true New England history" still claims that Metacom's armies burned 12 towns to the ground. No such thing as colonists burning their own properties and blaming the Indians, right? I read history. And recollections of past lives is "insane" in the land of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Paganism is "crazy" not a religion.... Right?
Ninety percent of the indigenous people died and 90% of the deaths were caused by disease. "the five civilized tribes" adapted the European way of life and were dispossessed of their treaty and sent on the trail of tears. In 1648 the Haudeneesaounee almost eliminated the Wendat as the Haudensesaounee had muskets from the Dutch and the English whereas the French allies Wendat did not. This allowed a shift in the fur trade. AT the Battle of Cateauguay in the war of 1812 (an unknown war in Europe) Mohawks, Wendat and Algonquin saved Canada from the Americans. Tecumseh, a great general and diplomat led a confederacy which saved Canada in the war of 1812. Members of the six nations who stayed with the Americans had their land confiscated after the war. How do you think this influenced events? Some of the original colonies offer a bounty for .......... of the indigenous. I will add another statement later.
Chief, Red Jacket, to a missionary trying to convert the Indians: "You have got our country, but you are not satisfied; you want to force your religion upon us...Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?"
some tribes did really practice some form of cannibalism, the Aztecs for example, made some food out of human flesh, that changed with the Spanish conquest of the empire, when animal meat was added.
He's back!!!
Right? I love when he starts a new lecture series and tells us how many parts it will be so I know to expect/check every month for the next in the series
@@robotniqueee I'm totally hooked and I'm Jewish...
@@zivitzhaki1321 thank you for sharing that.
As a Canadian these lectures have been a hard pill to swallow, as I'm still living amongst the legacy of all these efforts of conversion.
Especially with the ever mounting discoveries of unmarked graves of thousands of Indigenous children on the former sites of the Residential School.
It's called a cemetery.
@@markthomas6703 hey guys, we found the white supremacist.
practicing gratitude helps
What a great presentation.
Great, been waiting for this one! Can’t wait to watch!
Very informative, a window into the past
Thanks for another excellent lecture. I learned from that.
Could anyone point out some of the books that prof Alec Ryrie may have read ?
Thanks !
A very interesting lecture indeed !!
Alec is always a pleasure to listen to, but I was disappointed to hear nothing about the unique experience of the Cherokee with respect to missionary reception and adoption of selected accessories of European culture without abjection submission or cultural suicide.
Glad you liked it! Fair point about the Cherokee ... my only defence is that the story didn't quite fit my time-frame, with most of the most interesting parts of it falling after US independence.
Thanks
How did he find the interpreted resources to put this presentation together?
Children of colonists who were taken by the indigenous people when rescued usually did not want to go to their colonists parents ! Why?
I wanted to avoid making any comments, Rev. Prof. Ryrie, but my still-invisible staff asked that I do so. So, I will give a very clipped critique here. In terms of the broad brush of the history of Christian Churches in the New (to the Settlers) World, in 45 minutes of prepared remarks, the sweep is almost breathtaking and comprehensive enough. Having said that, speaking in my role as Metacom's Heir, I must say that the characterizations of the 1638 (post Pequot "War") period through 1676 (with no doubt Metacom's head on a pike in Plymouth) are probably very incorrect. Also of some note probably should have been some further details of Roger Williams and the attempt at colonizing Providence, which some have argued should have been the center of trade in New England, because the harbor of Narragansett Bay is much better than Boston was/is. And, all of the mistreatment of the Indians in the City of Boston in John Winthrop's and Sir Henry Vane's 1630s (some of my ancestors were there) Puritan utopia created an enmity that made the "Praying Indians" the semi-disaster it became. Distrust was very high, especially when people were not allowed on the land they considered was their own. Puritan Winthrop put down the gauntlet almost instantly. And ministers who rebelled went to Cambridge and Providence -- and Salem. Or so the history has been written so far. Also, it may have been interesting to get into why it was the French got along with the Indians so much better than the British in Canada, along the St. Lawrence. You did not have enough time to get into all of this. But, there were a few nuggets that may have explained why "no doubt true New England history" still claims that Metacom's armies burned 12 towns to the ground. No such thing as colonists burning their own properties and blaming the Indians, right? I read history. And recollections of past lives is "insane" in the land of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. Paganism is "crazy" not a religion.... Right?
Why did the thumbnail style change mid series??
Ninety percent of the indigenous people died and 90% of the deaths were caused by disease. "the five civilized tribes" adapted the European way of life and were dispossessed of their treaty and sent on the trail of tears. In 1648 the Haudeneesaounee almost eliminated the Wendat as the Haudensesaounee had muskets from the Dutch and the English whereas the French allies Wendat did not. This allowed a shift in the fur trade. AT the Battle of Cateauguay in the war of 1812 (an unknown war in Europe) Mohawks, Wendat and Algonquin saved Canada from the Americans. Tecumseh, a great general and diplomat led a confederacy which saved Canada in the war of 1812. Members of the six nations who stayed with the Americans had their land confiscated after the war. How do you think this influenced events? Some of the original colonies offer a bounty for .......... of the indigenous. I will add another statement later.
Engagement
Engagement is engagement.
Chief, Red Jacket, to a missionary trying to convert the Indians: "You have got our country, but you are not satisfied; you want to force your religion upon us...Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?"
I don't believe Indians were eating each other.
some tribes did really practice some form of cannibalism, the Aztecs for example, made some food out of human flesh, that changed with the Spanish conquest of the empire, when animal meat was added.
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 that is a lie made by white people to justify their genocide
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002Tiss tiss stop spreading things you aren't warranted to produce truth just rhetoric of spanish anglo-saxons bs gibberish
INVASIONS, not "missions"