Maybe not so respectful to some ignorant people out there, but it’s still the best thing I’ve seen explaining this whole thing. Everyone else just seems to be leaning towards one side with this.
Great video - balanced, thought-provoking, and evidence based. The question of race and ethnicity of Egyptians, past and present, is a complex shifting picture that shouldnt be reduced to a shouting match about Cleopatra's skin tone.
Here's something that you might also find interesring, historically / culturally speaking as a Greek: there is literally a Saint in the Greek Orthodox Christian Church (and also in the Coptic Orthodox Church and even the Catholic Church as she was a Saint before the schism) named Cleopatra and she is Venerated on 19 October. I personally directly work with 3 separate Greek women named Cleopatra and there are 8 total in this large Greek company I now work for. I checked in the internal employee digital catalogue with all of this going on and was surprised myself that there were 8 just in this one company. Greeks inherit their names from their Grandparents and Greek women, from their paternal grandmothers (mostly from their father's side and sometimes from their maternal grandmothers).
Greek are Caucasian people just like the Coptic people of Egypt. Yes, Caucasian come in many shades. Even people from the Middle East and Northern Africa are Caucasian. If you look at ancient roman and Greek mosaics they are clearly more on the whiter side. Old ancient Egyptian artifacts look more like the actual Coptic people in Egypt still living today. Dark brown hair and olive colored skin. The American negrocentric blacks are claiming every culture on this planet was black. Yet they never created a written language.
I do tend to hear them bizarrely talking about some invasion in the 600s, lol...now, maybe that makes sense to them, but I always felt that it would look more likely that an invasion (I'm not an Afrocentrist, lol, and I don't believe the ancient Egyptians were black), or a series of invasions, happened much earlier, etc, in the Middle Kingdom or something...I mean, if an invasion happened at all...I always invariably hear them say that the invasion happened in the 600s...what about all the other conquests of Egypt?...No affect on the population?...Lol...I mean, especially in light of DNA testing that seems to stretch to the late Middle Kingdom and not earlier (well, maybe they did do DNA testing for earlier and I'm just not aware of it)...why couldn't the Egyptians have been black from the predynastic period to the early Middle Kingdom, lol, and not have been majority black afterward?...It's like I don't hear any Afrocentrists arguing that...this argument would work against their usual claim, I mean, the argument about the small size of the invading Arabs of the 600s, but not against the claim that the change in ethnicity occurred much earlier...I personally feel the most swayed against a belief in the blackness of the Egyptians by the iconography, lol, I mean...they consistently drew themselves with lighter skin than they did the Nubians, etc...why would they do that if they were just as black as the Nubians?...Unless they only started doing that in later periods, I don't know, frankly...I'm fairly ignorant about this topic, but even with my level of ignorance, what the Afrocentrists are arguing seems absurd to me...
@@archangecamilien1879 dude! Who made the documentary? Was it someone's grandma or her cousin? Really! We all still exist. The Mediterranean was not created for modern day "pseudo scholars" on either side of the spectrum, to use as their battle ground. None of us disappeared. We belong where we are. The USA and the AMERICAS in the history of the world is so unique and it was made that way afternoon much planning. Planning that indeed included the erasure of peoples in the Mediterranean, but not because if their skin color and it was pit into affect AD (let's just put it that way).
7:49, lol, yeah, that's virtually impossible, but it's possible for them to be majority something, lol...I don't think even the Afrocentrist are claiming they were one thing at any point...or maybe I'm underestimating the absurdity of their arguments, lol...but, really, lol, you can exist at a crossroads and be majority-something...perhaps more black toward the south and less so toward the north, etc...that indigenous Coptic group is a good argument, at any rate, lol, that obliterates the argument about the Arab invasion in the 600s being the culprit, I would say, lol...
This is the best response I've seen in a while on this subject. My Issue is my People are stuck on Egypt when We NEED to learn about the Kingdoms and Empires in West and Central Africa before anything else because that's where Our Ancestors are from.
Western civilisation is built on a concept of race from more than 2,000 years ago by the Greeks. Even in the face of modern science, people believe (or perpetuate) the concept of a superior race in order to justify the subjugation of others. Deep down we all know and science proves our origin is African.
The story is many fled Egypt and went into central and west Africa. Today African American descendants of pharaohs are showing up in America. I think the fact that we go into museums and see people with thick lips broad noses dreadlocks and tree bark brown skin makes us think one thing. Like pharaoh mentuhotep lol how can you say he isn’t black. And if he was then everyone after him in that dynasty was as well
@@JustMe-no8el it's crazy that you step over Our West and Central African Ancestors and their Civilizations to go play pharaoh and deny these modern Egyptians their heritage because to YOU they look like Arabs when Arabs keep telling people that they aren't Arab. The closest modern people to the Ancient Egyptians from Predynastic to the Persian Conquest are the modern day EGYPTIANS. Their DNA says that they are native to Northeast Africa. We African Americans have More European DNA on average than the average Modern Egyptian has DNA outside of Africa.
@@JustMe-no8elwell Ill use the kind of phrase I would expect from someone who would say something ignorant stop appropriating other people's culture learn about your own there's plenty of great people who were African plenty of great African Americans too but they just weren't pharaohs
@@s0r03 what’s appropriation regarding stating that someone was black or not? Why are you a hater? It literally is a legend that passed down orally that people fled Egypt and many went to other places in central and west Africa. Are those legends not part of my culture 😂😂😂😂
You're gaslighting on the "they aren't trying to deny Egypt's black artifacts" If it wasn't for Pinterest, many of those images no one would know about. Egyptians have a horrendous habit of showcasing late period Greco-Roman/ Hellenistic period art and trying to make those images represent 5,000 years of Egyptian history. They get quiet when we show them the hieroglyph for face, or entire pharaonic family trees like the 18th dynasty, or the 12th dynasty. And don't get me started on the BUST of King Tut from his own tomb (Google it) and the Caucasian man that National Geographic tried to present as the reconstruction. Additionally, because East Africans don't typically have West African features, Arab Egyptians will take someone like Akhenaten and try to claim him as an Arab Egyptian, not taking 2 seconds to look up his parents. Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye - and we know what his son looked like (King Tut) along with his sister. None of them look like you. Arab Egyptians also get REAL QUIET when we showcase the BUST of Senusret II. Again - Arab Egyptians LOVE to play the "ONLY SHOW LATE PERIOD" Hellenistic period artifact game.
Afrocentric Bantus and NigeroCongolese descendants have a serious mathematic and chronological historic problem 🤦🏻♂️🤡🤣. Actually they’re suffering from a huge identity crisis. Even Horners Africans and Sudanese who are more closely related don’t claim to be Egyptians 😂🤣. The black element of Egypt came from Nubians ancestors who actually provocated the destruction of Meroe’s Kingdom it was at that time that the lower Egyptians definitively splitted from the uppers ones, nearly as similar as the Assyrians splitted from the Babylonians when they were both originally Akkadians. They Assyrians mixed more with the Hittites/Urartu, while the Babylonians mixed more with the Mittanis but also remained closer to the Sumerians. The lower Egyptians raped the raped the Kushitics and got all sorts of women, Nubians blacks, Semitics, Berbers, Canaanites. The Kushitics got naturally more toroughly admixed with the Nubians and many of their tribes even lately with the bantus expansions. Don’t try to reverse history and accept what you are. A single dna test shows that you got nearly 100% of your ancestors from nilotics hunter gatherers origins which are the Homosapians groups of humans that already developed their genetic pool at southwest af during at least the mid to low Paleolithic period and never took the Nile Valley
@@joaofarinha551 No - Egypt was not "diverse" You're talking about a 5,000 year old civilization. Egypt was rooted, and started in a Black African civilization. All other came later. The people were East and some West African types. That's what depicted until much later periods. Due to RACISM everyone wants to pretend like the Black East African phenotype doesn't exists. The entire planet gets all of their genes from Africans. The BASE CULTURE and RACE is Black African, nothing else.
The problem with calling Egyptians black is that you're imposing one culture's concept of blackness on a different one. Because there's no objective definition of where "black" stops and "white" or "brown" or "Mediterranean" or whatever begins. If all Egyptians, from Lake Nasser and Halayib to Sallum and Arish (which isn't even in Africa), are to be defined as black, so be it, but that definition would also encompass many people in southwestern Asia and southern Europe (think Antonio Banderas) who wouldn't look out of place in northern Egypt. Objectively, you cannot draw an equal sign between a visual definition of blackness and the arbitrary boundaries of the African continent. Objectively, skin color and other supposed racial characteristics each exist on a spectrum, with different areas of different spectra often being concentrated in specific regions of the world, and with genetics adding an extra layer of counter-intuitive similarities and differences. Americans taking it upon themselves to "educate" foreign peoples on what race they supposedly belong to aren't battling racism, even if racism does exist in those cultures. What they're doing is less like battling racism and more like telling a Brit with Pakistani ancestry that they can't call themselves Asian or an Argentinian with German ancestry that they don't look Latino. They are engaging in a form of cultural imperialism that passes under their own radar by painting itself in left-wing colors. If a dark-skinned person from Nouakchott or Cairo or Aden or Port Moresby tells you that they're not black... they're not black. If a mixed-ancestry person from Santo Domingo or Recife or Cape Town or Zanzibar tells you that they're not black... they're not black. Not by their own definition, which is the only one they have to give a damn about. The fact that race is a social construct means that anyone seeking to impose on others a different set of notions about what the "real" races of humankind are, and who belongs to which, should absolutely not expect a warm welcome. And yes, one's eyes should roll just as much when an Afrocentrist claims the Ethiopians, Swahilis or Zulus as part of the heritage of African-Americans as when they claim the Egyptians. It's the same mistake as when a Polish-American wears a kilt to feel closer to his European ancestors or when an Irish-American declares pizza part of the culinary legacy of all white people. None of which ever happens, because the average American knows enough about Europe to understand how ridiculous that would be, and nowhere near as much about Africa.
Exactly, Black History Month is an American thing, let it be for Black Americans not for Egyptians or Swahilis or Yoruba People. Also, what is "Black" is entirely arbitrary, like the idea of "Africa" as a continent. Races and continents are both wholly made up. Plus the idea of a "black people" from the "African" continent is mostly a Black Nationalism thing from the early 1900s in the USA, applying it to the rest of the world is repeating colonialist ideas.
Man I'm sorry you arent getting more attention. You have all the hallmarks and quality of a big youtuber. Sometimes it just takes awhile before the algorithm finally notices you. Keep your head up brother, your time is coming! 👍
I really like your videos. Keep making them. In regards to your topic, This would mean that the rest of the Mediterranean would be of mixed people as well because not only is Africa close to these other places, as you say, these other places are close to Africa as well.
Yes, mixing has been very thorough throughout the history of humans. Modern genetics is showing all kinds of relationships and migrations that are upsetting people. Mediterranean people are all definitely mixes of different peoples from other parts of the world. There's no "pure" group of people unrelated to everyone else.
You did a great job going through all this. My only issues is with Egyptians who refuse to accept that there is no universal Egyptian look, that Nubians are still Egyptian and black Egyptians exist. As an African American I have no desire to claim Egypt as black history nor my history. However, I am pro anything Africa so I will always love and uplift African peoples.
Currently Nubians are Egyptians, but in ancient Egypt the two civilizations were rivals. Nubians assert this fact, they are proud of their heritage, language, and identity. We have been living together for 5000 years and they still say they are Nubians first and Egyptians Second!!
@@emanmosharafa558 “Nubians” were not a specific group in ancient times and there were “Nubian” cultures that precede Egypt in places like Nabta playa and “nubian” groups that have always been apart of upper Egypt.
@@emanmosharafa558 that’s okay but I’m talking about current times. From the Nubians I’ve seen I laugh when I hear an Egyptian call them black because many of them are but a shade darker and have many of the same phenotypes. Why? Because mixing. That’s why. My brother in law is married to a Nubian woman. When my husband told me his brother was married to a black woman I was like oh that’s cool until I met her and yeah…..Nubian isn’t in current times synonymous with black but your fellow Egyptians will refer and treat you like you’re block and when you leave Egypt, you’ll be black. Just the reality.
I want to hilight the point where he mentioned that white looking asiatic people can speak the language and follow the practices of Egypt and be seen as Egyptians but dark skin Africans who do the same won't be seen as Egyptian. Egypt started out of Northern Sudan and their ancestral land was the Horn of Africa yet the literal people from those lands can't even be Egyptian if they tried. Yet someone literally foreign to the continent will be treated as a native. Interesting. I wonder why that is... Then he admits that's it's totally logical and very likely that the Egyptians were dark Africans who were lightened by (multiple) conquests. But must immediately counter said logic by talking about a recent study that was conducted by the ARAB government and totally has no bias in it's interpretation....
In Africa your features are distinct to your ethnic group and or your neighboring ethnic group. You know when someone doesn’t look like one of your ethnic group or familiar neighboring ethnic group. They will stick out like a sore thumb. Some phenotypes are not familiar to people of certain regions because they never had contact with
@@StopTheLiess the prevailing ethnic group are invaders. They are NOT from Africa most are from ME and Turkey. Are you claiming that Egyptians had no contact with other Africans. Nubians were literally black Africans from East Africa, Berbers were from East Africa and both North Africa and Sun Sahara were unified in the green Sahara (which is larger than the USA). We even have record of Egyptians bringing Pygmy people from the interior of Africa and giving them royal status. Explain to me how Egyptians didn’t interact with black people? You are literally delusional. Egypt is an AFRICAN civilization not an Arab civilization. Arabs were in ARABIA. Why is this so hard to understand. There was no impassible desert, y’all are unnecessarily dividing Africa when Egyptians would not have seen Africa as divided. Nubians and Egyptians both saw Arabs and Non Canaanites as strangers. Someone with white or near white skin would have definitely been a foreign being that natural selection wouldn’t have favored those traits in a D E S E R T/ Jungle region. Upper Egypt is a literal desert bruv, how on earth did white looking people beat Africans to a section of Africa when Africans had 10,000 years head start over Caucasians?
@@StopTheLiessAs I stated in my initial comment. Egypt did NOT start from the Middle East it started from East Africa. My point is that why would a white person from the Caucasus mountains be seen as Egyptian while a Sudanese or East African wouldn’t be seen as Egyptian. Those are literally the regions where Egypt originated from. That makes like 0 sense.
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I'm sure that historical Egyptian people's had intermingling contact with the other Africans to the south of the Sahara, but as is obvious by looking at the Coptic people (the descendants of the ancient egyptians) that they were essentially a Semitic people with a Semitic related language.
Coptic is not in the Semitic branch of the AfroAsiatic family. They were by and large an East African people who received gene flow over the course of their history from the Levant. Their language was restricted to Africa with no proto versions anywhere in Asia. Their culture, or the one we recognize as Egyptian, was restricted to Africa. As a matter of fact, open any history book and when they begin the origins of pharaonic culture, they go way back to the pre dynastic archeological findings in Northern Sudan and Upper Egypt. In the Delta there were cultures that had ties to the Levant, but that culture was eclipsed by that of the south, which had ties to other East African cultures as can still be observed to this day.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 it's not, but it's closely enough related, and the people themselves are closely enough related to contemplate the fact that they share an origin
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 the only black skinned Pharoes were the ones who came from Nubia/Kush to the south. There are many ancient illustrations of the ancient Egyptian peoples and they are not black skinned that's for certain. They look the same as they do today, I would even wager that there is more black African genetic admixture today than there ever was in history. There's also no linkage between the coptic and ancient Egyptian languages and any sub Saharan African language. There are many language isolates around the world. That doesn't mean they don't have continuum between their neighbors, it just means the links are missing with no record. Semitic language is considered an afro asiatic language. Egypt as a culture did. It face African it faced the Mediterranean following the Nile. They had extensive contact and overlordship over the Levant and Syria. I'm sorry to say it, but egyptian/ethiopian/kushite history is more a piece of near-eastern history and not of sub Sahara African history. The events of Egypt and kush had basically no bearing on things going on the other side of that massive continent. In Ethiopia they speak several Semitic languages haha. Those who don't are known to have moved into the area in the last few hundred years. East and west Africa are basically two different continents all together. Are you a racist? Does it matter what color their skin was? Kush was a land of dark skinned african people who heavily influences the Egyptians to the north and had a contemporary society that was more or less just as advanced as Egypts and they in fact conquered Egypt and there were black skinned pharoes at one point but that's just the fact, there were black skinned pharoes, at one point.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 east African and Middle Eastern and Egyptian culture have never been much different from one another that's one big culture zone and it doesn't matter what skin color people are. Over history people never really cared about skin color. The concept of race and giving a fuck about race is a newer concept of the last few hundred years. Historically it was localized community allegiance and language which defined people and the rulers and neighbors could give a fuck what color one was.
@@ForageGardener the only black skinned Pharoes were the ones who came from Nubia/Kush to the south. *Well, I don't know what you mean by black skinned since biological humans don't have black skin unless they've been in a really bad fire. Humans have brown skins and people in or near the tropics have brown skins in different shades because it is an adaptation to protect the body from UV radiation. Now, are there Egyptians who have dark brown skins? Yes, there are. Are there Egyptians who have the same skin tones as other tropical Africans? Yes, there are. The video you're commenting under just showed that. So then, would this have been the same in antiquity? Yes. Was there as rigid a boundary between Nubians and Egyptians as we've been led to believe? No. From the very beginning they were very much intertwined at all levels of society. The correct question therefore, would be: Was there ever a time when the rulers of Nubia controlled Egypt? The answer to that is the 25th Dynasty. But to imply that there were no dark skinned rulers in Egypt when large segments of the population IS dark skinned is a ridiculous uniformed statement to make.* ua-cam.com/video/O-cID_F2_PU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/ZTyeYgc2VyM/v-deo.html There are many ancient illustrations of the ancient Egyptian peoples and they are not black skinned that's for certain. *That's because human beings aren't actually black skinned. You can't be living and have black skin. But did they have dark brown skin tones the same shade as other Africans to the south? Yes. And you can still see that to this day* ua-cam.com/video/mD1FN44WBsg/v-deo.html They look the same as they do today, I would even wager that there is more black African genetic admixture today than there ever was in history. *There's no such thing as genes with colors. The only thing the genes tell you are the geographic locations where a person's ancestors originated. But a person can have any skin tone and have a paternal or maternal haplogroup that points to Africa or Europe. For example, R1B is the major male linage gene in Europe. However, in Cameroon there are people who have the exact same gene as high as 90% of all the males. The reason is because that branch of R1b, R-V88, originated in Mesopotamia, but one branch migrated into Europe and the other into Africa. My cousin is 90% European. She looks like a typical Scandinavian, but her MTDNA points back to Central Africa. We have the same great grand mother. DNA doesn't tell you what you think. Now what I can tell you is the Egyptians today have more West African ancestry due to the advent of Islam during the Middle ages that facilitated contact between the two regions. But Ancient Egyptians belong to a Y DNA branch that is native to North Eastern Africa, so they were and are just as African as a Nigerian. Africa is a continent made up of multiple ethnic groups, not just one. These are some more Upper Egyptians, but had you actually watched the video instead of just flapping your lips, you'd know this. ua-cam.com/video/3OsG8IoM2rI/v-deo.html There's also no linkage between the coptic and ancient Egyptian languages and any sub Saharan African language. *The Coptic language belongs to the Afro Asiatic language group. The only branch of this language family that located outside of Africa is the semitic branch. And there are more semitic languages in the Horn of Africa than there are in the Middle East. Housa is an AfroAsiatic language and is spoken in Norther Nigeria. I'll leave it up to you to look on a map and see where that is.* There are many language isolates around the world. That doesn't mean they don't have continuum between their neighbors, it just means the links are missing with no record. *Coptic is an AfroAsiatic language and it's restricted to Africa. It has no parent language in Asia.* Semitic language is considered an afro asiatic language. *No shit Sherlock. But I just told you that. Now, can you tell me which finger I'm holding up?* Egypt as a culture did. It face African it faced the Mediterranean following the Nile. They had extensive contact and overlordship over the Levant and Syria. *Yes...... And from it's earlier times it also had a great deal of interaction with the regions up river in what is now called Sudan. Egypt was never cut off from it's fellow African neighbors to the south. They could reach Wawat, Kush, Ta-Seti by foot and they traded regularly with Punt. Egypt was never isolated from any of it's neighbors.* I'm sorry to say it, but egyptian/ethiopian/kushite history is more a piece of near-eastern history and not of sub Sahara African history. *That would be because Sub-Saharan is a geographic term meaning, BELOW THE SAHARA. Egypt and Sudan are located IN the Sahara. Ethiopia is below it though. So Egyptian, Sudanese, Ethiopian history are all part of AFRICAN history. It's not West African history because..... they're not located in West Africa. As for Near Eastern history. What the hell does Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia have to do with Turkey? These are African countries. Africa is a continent of many DIFFERENT cultures. There is no such thing as one culture that's shared by all Africans. Even below the Sahara, Yoruba culture from Nigeria is completely different from Mende culture in Mali. Igbo culture is completely different than Tutsi culture and all of them are completely different from Zulu culture, sooo...... I don't know what you're trying to say.... It makes no sense.* The events of Egypt and kush had basically no bearing on things going on the other side of that massive continent. In Ethiopia they speak several Semitic languages haha. *I already told you there are more semitic languages in East Africa, HA!* Those who don't are known to have moved into the area in the last few hundred years. *That's a bold faced lie. But what more can I expect from such ignorance?* East and west Africa are basically two different continents all together. *Wow. you just said that. I guess I know who failed basic geography. Once again, Africa is a continent of MANY, DIFFERENT CULTURES. THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME! In West Africa, the Yorubas are different from the Twi, the Twi are different from the Bobie, they are different from the Dog, the Dog are different than the Bamileke, the Bamileke are different from the Bambara, the Bambara are different from the Fulani. Educate yourself please.* Are you a racist? Does it matter what color their skin was? Kush was a land of dark skinned african people who heavily influences the Egyptians to the north and had a contemporary society that was more or less just as advanced as Egypts and they in fact conquered Egypt and there were black skinned pharoes at one point but that's just the fact, there were black skinned pharoes, at one point. *I don't know why you chose me of all people to speak your shit to. Do you even know who I am? Have you even checked out the content of my channel? Did you even watch this video you're commenting under? You sound really dumb accusing people you don't know anything about of racism and all kinds of shit. Now you have here an Egyptian who made a video addressing all this race confusion business and he did a very good job. Why don't you watch the damn thing and stop talking out the crack of your ass. And when you're done, go do some research on African CULTURES and HISTORIES so you don't make yourself look like a damn fool in public!*🎤
Hey bro, just came across your videos. Pretty educational. I noticed your Greek tattoo and your Coptic cross tattoo, so my assumption is that you are a Coptic Christian. It's my understanding that there are Coptic Catholics, being in communion with the Pope and Magisterium, and the Coptic Orthodox. I would love to see an educational video on your Coptic Christian faith. It's my understanding that the Coptic cross is tattooed on very devout Coptic Christians willing to die for the faith.
Hey! Yeah my TikTok account actually has a lot of videos in Coptic identity if your curious. As to there being “Coptic Catholics” that’s a bit confusing of a term but yes they exist (kinda). In Egypt not all Christian’s are Coptic and follow the ancient traditions, some are Protestant and and some are catholic. As to someone being ‘Coptic catholic’ you could technically call catholic egyptians ‘Coptic catholic’ because linguistically all Coptic really means is Egyptian. Some Muslims (tho this is contentious for some) identify as Coptic Muslim. As far Christian’s who are in communion with both the coptic and catholic pope - I haven’t personally seen that but I am by no means an expert and if it existed I wouldn’t be surprised. Me personally as an ethnically Coptic person am cool with other Egyptians identifying as Coptic BUT being Coptic Christian is a specific tradition that many of our family and elders fought to maintain. The ancient Egyptian language is maintained today because our monks and Coptic leaders worked hard to maintain it so I just ask people respect that and Coptic identity. Okay my dissertation is over. Hoped this helped! (I probs won’t make a video rn cause I’m in a bit of an Egypt hiatus cuz I don’t wanna be “that Egyptian guy”)
I enjoyed your video, though I disagree with you on how much we share with Africa. In the last 2000 years, we were invaded by the Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the crossaders, the Tatars (Russian-Mongol tribes), the Ottomans, the French & English. It seems we had contact with people from Europe and Asia more than we had with Africans. Except perhaps for Ethiopia and Sudan. But the influence is mostly from north to south, hence is the Coptic church in Ethiopia and north Sudan adopting Arabic and Islam. Having said that, I realize that we are located in Africa and our existance depends on cooperation with African countries, especially countries of the Nile.
But here's the thing, as he pointed out, there is no universal African culture or identity. It's always been a mosaic of different societies and cultures. Egypt's historical evolution is part of the collective African story and is just as valid African as any other. Would we say that Swahili culture is any less African because of the contacts with the Arabs and Persians? It's all part of the bigger story of Africa. So yes, Egypt in later times had more contact with the outside World because of colonialism, but there are connections with other African cultures if you know where to look and what you're looking at. I'll give you some examples. Egypt is World famous for Belly dancing, or to be culturally correct, Raks baladi, (I'm deliberately ignoring Raks Sharki and focusing of the traditions of the everyday people that the stage version we know in the media is based on). If you look at it analytically, there are Asiatic elements in the arms and hands used as a decorative frame to the body. But the root elements are in the way the body itself is used in that it focuses in articulating the hips, abdominal area, shoulders rather than a strong emphasis on the legs and feet like most dances in the World. The twisting, turning, circling, shaking and wiggling consistent with the way the body is used in most areas of Africa. Each area has their own flavor and Egyptian Baladi has it's unique flavor, but it is not a European, or Asian way of moving the body. Levantines have their own style of Baladi, but Egypt doesn't have a tradition of Debke. That shows who influenced whom. Zaghrouta. This is an expression of joy using the tongue to make a high pitched vibration sound. It is a tradition found all over the African continent. Circumcision of both sexes is practiced in all of East Africa as far as Kenya and as far West as Nigeria. Zar ceremonies. This is found from Egypt all the way down to the Swahili coast. These are just a few examples that ties Egypt firmly to the African continent culturally.
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 thank you!!!! Yet those people can’t even be labeled Egyptian even if they speak the language and follow the customs. Absolutely nonsense.
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276if we look at the art, I would say probably the people of East Africa were the originals. Like Sudanese, Somali, Ethiopia
@metta thank you for making this video bro everything that you just said is facts bro I’m Coptic Egyptian like you and my family are from Saidi as well Egyptian are both African and Middle Eastern and we are a diverse people
I am an Egyptian Muslim and I say that there is no need for us to prefer to be Arabs and evade our truth. We are teams and Arabs. We can be both. Greetings for your great effort in responding to these claims. ❤
Now do one yelling at people about the ethnicity/race of Jesus 😎 Thanks for the video. I only have 2 left of yours to watch, so I'll be waiting. You're great
needed this perspective after taking a pan-african studies class that exposed me to a lot of different opinions (some definitely wrong) about race in ancient Egypt. thanks for giving Diop his props while still maintaining your critiques!
I really like your videos and your outlook on controversial topics. Keep it up man!! An outro would be nice at times. Haha Sometimes when I'm listening to your videos while doing something else It ends and the next video starts and I think it's a commercial or something.
You'll be amazed at how many delusional wrong af Afrocentrics claim that ancient China, Japan, Aztecs and Mayan civilizations were started by black Africans.🙄
Very informative to hear about how messed the Ptolemaic era was because I feel it gets glamorized a lot (because of Cleopatra, Library of Alexandria etc)
Ever since I started dating an Egyptian woman and by chance visited Egypt last Marts, i've been very much into this subject and I have to say, this is by far the best video on the topic I have seen so far.
I love your videos. Here comes the “however “ mixing color terms such as white, black and brown tend to confuse the issue. The hard to define word “race” mixed with ethnicity and coupled to geography is hard enough. I wish we call all just use one term from the start and stick to it. I do think that while everyone is very mixed today there was a time when there was one people- the old kingdom people didn’t ‘ mix much with Kush- if we could find a gene strain that went back that far he would, likely, look like a copt
Egyptians and Nubians have been interacting with each other since before the unification of the two lands. As for Copts, they range in color from very dark to very light. They're not a race. In fact, there are no genes that can tell you what race a person is. That's not how DNA works. We have a living population in Egypt and they're diverse. Depending on what your definition for blackness is, there's a lot of Egyptians past and resent who fit the bill. Put it to you this way, they'd have been unacceptable in mainstream American society 60 or 70yrs ago, especially in the South.
@@dhunsi1340 Depends on the Italian. Let's put it this way, were Italians made to drink from a different water fountain or ride the back of the busses?
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 a us court held that in a case of forbidden intermarriage a black could not be convicted because his italian wife could not be legally defined as white.
This was really good and informative. It seems like a lot of these Afro-centric and Anti-Afro-centric arguments can really just be traced back to the Anti-Black racism which has led to some Black people haphazardly claiming inheritance to Egypt and North Africans/Egyptians segmenting themselves away from "Blackness"
No, that's not the case. Black people aren't trying to escape their "Blackness." However, I do agree that Black people's wanting to be connected to Egypt has to do with anti-Black racism in the sense that Black people across the globe, specifically African-Americans, were told they have no history nor did their ancestors make any contributions to the world. On American television, every great civilization is depicted with white people no matter the nation. Never was Egypt shown as being in anyway, melanated. The only parts of Africa shown on our TVs were those poor and suffering from malnutrition, living in broken down huts and surrounded by nothing but dirt. Now we see we were only shown and told about the poorest parts of Africa, even though Africa is so much more and very beautiful. When Black Americans take pride in Egypt, it's because Egypt is part of the African continent. It is no more different than white-Americans taking pride in ancient Greece, Italy, Spain, England, etc. And when we refer to North Africans and Mediterraneans as "Black," it is because, like Black Americans, they represent every brown hue of melanin ... not because Black people want to steal their culture. It's more of wanting the world to stop capping on Africa's contributions to the world in an effort to make Black people seem inferior or lacking. It's time to kill that white supremacy dialog once and for all.
Thanks for this. It was the funniest and most entertaining take on this question that i've seen. But it also casts a lot of light on all of the nuances. Well done.
Thank you so much for making this! It’s been so frustrating watching all the misinformation and rage-bait being spewed out. Please make more videos. I hope some people, both Egyptians and not, watch this and engage in a more culturally-competent and informed dialogue.
Most black Americans originate in ancestry from the West coast of the African continent, so it would be much more interesting to see more depictions of West-African civilizations of the past, and I've definitely heard of a few (yet not enough to be authoritative on them). All the stories that could be explored that way would be an amazing addition to our collective consciousness, to show that not only Northern Africa has a rich history.
@@clifforddurbin5168 the fact that it was an open, multi-ethnic society located at the Mediterranean sea, means it can't have been all Africans, just like Rome wasn't all Europeans. But yeah I'd assume a decent majority of the population originated from the continent. But I don't see your point, what does that have to do with black Americans identifying with ancient Egypt.
@@KarlSnarks Research it for yourself - Ancient Egyptian civilization started in the South and spread to the North - You can call Afrocentrist crazy but the more you look into the more they seem right. I’m talking about old Egypt not 2/3 or even 4 thousand years ago.
That's what AA's are told, that they are west African. So many lies have been told. I do not trust DNA testing. I remember looking up images of ancient Egyptians in college (I'm 56). The images that came up were unambiguous black people. Truth will and shall come out and must be acknowledged. Once upon a time, earth (and the cosmos) was only black. It shall go back to that according to prophecy. Everything that's not unambiguous black is a mixture of The Beast and black. Error, i.e. "The Fall". Deal.
it's kinda wierd to try and divide north and subsaharan africa into two totally different things, they have always shared and exchanged culture, religion, language and many other things.
Lol it’s not “weird”. It’s not based on your feelings, it’s just factual. To deny racist Nazi culture vultures. Just cause they shared things doesn’t mean they weren’t distinct. Indians, Syrians & the Chinese are all Asian, does that mean they’re all the same or one is the origin of the other?
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And one more thing: The Greeks of today, same as the Egyptians, same as even the Germans, Italians, same as the different people of Europe or Africa still identify with their local region. For instance, the Greeks still classify themsleves as Doric, Ionian, Macedonian, it goes on. In the present day it takes on a form of the political (the modern plague of humanity as a Whole) not just left or right but specific political parties. But come against them and they unite. The Greek motto since antiquity has always been FREEDOM OR DEATH all the way up to the 19th century and indeed the 20th century with the 2 world wars (and come to think of it, Cleopatra VII Philopater was a true Greek just for that, alone). The Italians are north and south Italians. The Germans are Bavarians, Saxons, Thuringians, etc. The Basques of Spain still want to secede from Spain. The Welsh of England still carry their mother tongue and culture. The Irish, the world knows about the Irish and "Sunday bloody Sunday". And none of these identify as a unified EUROPEAN RACE, not even today in the European Union. The Indians in India (dots not feathers, smile ☺) created cast systems, for crying out loud! And don't tell the Chinese they have anything to do with Japanese, please, it pains them. This is the world as it always has been. In Africa as a whole there are so many wonderful and different cultures and they all have their own distinct identity. Literally there are 54 different countries and 3000 different tribes and 2000 different languages. WOW! The Egyptians are no different.
For Italy it's much more complex than the North-South division. It's more like each region (there are 20) has its own unique culture and within each region there are quite a few differences from city to city. Sardinians are even genetically different from mainland Italians.
@@marty8895 thank you Marty. I'll take it one step further: I am from an island in the Aegean. In that Island (mentioned in the Odyssey by Homer and other references by Herodotus) where the permanent inhabitants are less than 5000 all year round (it gets higher when the diaspora come back for summer from wherever they reside to earn a living). Even there the north and south of the islanders (having the same culture and language / regional dialect and ancient customs whether carried on through the church or otherwise) still consider themsleves as having differences. This is humanity. This can be found in the USA as well. We are all human. We don't differ very much in our perspectives of us and them. And it's not only skin color. And it can be called self preservation. It is self preservation. In the Greek case (and as also stated in this video for the COPTIC ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS) in certain parts of our history it was vital for us to separate so that we survived as who we were and not become something else no matter the subjugation. It is what it is. It is why we are still who we were and can say we still are. I'm sure, even though I haven't looked into it, that even in Sardinian cultural society you can find these nuances. It is how traditional societies are.
And people in modern day turkey, West Anatolia (Greek name BTW) have a significant amount of Greek dna and also dna from other parts of the Balkans. You can find the DNA reveals right here on UA-cam. It is part of their history and dna.
ALL people come from Africa but we must look back millions of years not thousands, this does not mean that the Ancient Egyptians were or are black Africans. Egyptians have had their current identity for thousands of years so if we are going to talk about race we have existed a hell of a long time as the people we are.
Bruh what kind of nonsense is this? Egypt today does not have the same identity or genetics as ancient Egypt. I mean do you think ancient Egyptians were Islamic, and that the women were heavily covered? Ancient Egypt was also largely egalitarian. Now you seem to be under the very false presumption that Egyptian genetics have been consistent for over 3,000 years, that’s some bullshit. Several empires and migrations have greatly contributed to modern Egypt’s average genetic makeup. To name a few the Greeks, Romans, and most recently the Arabs and Ottomans. This is common knowledge btw.
@@marcossealey8612 it’s likely that the Homosapien portion of our DNA did come directly from Africa. However, we probably met archaic humans that had migrated out of Africa before Homo sapiens, and combined our DNA with them.
As a Greek, I have to say this because my people were subjugated for 400 years and stolen artifacts are now located everywhere but Greece and everyone else in this world is Greek except for the Greeks. The German and "you know who" thought he was Greek and the English think they are Greek and the founding fathers of the USA thought they were Greek. My great grandfather buried alive in a coal mine in Philadelphia (Greek name for brotherly love BTW, Pennsylvania) was called all sorts of racial slurs (along with the Italians and Irish). One hundred years later my family (all Greek from the same village, same village because my we are very closed traditional society), became white. I travel everywhere in the west and I see my people's culture and architecture and form of government and portrayals in movies and yet I am looked down upon because of my country's presents finances, supposedly (it's about so much more). I look to the East and see my culture everywhere, in the food, in the music, in the dances, in the ceremonies but I am considered the devil because I don't practice the same religion. I get the Bible quoted at me in every language, including Greek (as it was written) but because I am Orthodox Greek Christian, I'm somehow a heretic (even though that's how Christianity started and is continues until this day unchanged for Orthodox Christianity). The Irish kids in my neighborhood in BKLYN NY, called us "Grease Balls" and threw rocks at us coming back from church with the holy light after Saturday midnight mass on Easter (we say Pascha). Greek people weren't of African descent or black. And they aren't Nordic either. They are Mediterranean. The Mediterraneans literally exist. There are kinky haired Greeks, and blond haired blue eyed Greeks and olive skin toned Greeks and Greeks that turn red in the sun and Greeks that get really dark in the sun, and Greeks with small noses and Greeks with Cleopatra's big nose, etc. There was no black Athena and neither the Pelasgians nor the Minoans were black.GREEKS ARE GREEKS. AND CLEOPATRA was an inbred Greek because she was Pharaoh, if she was illegitimate she would not be Pharaoh (that's the way it went in Egypt that's the way it went in Royal families all over the world right up to the royal families of today all over the world). And history was well documented by the Greeks themselves. This is important to Greek people. There are many who have tried to erase us and separate us from our history and our heritage. It's nothing new under the sun, but it's hurtful. Guess what my parents did after 100 years living in the US? Moved us back to Greece. And it was hard not speaking the language as a young adult. I write all of this to give some comprehension as to what it feels like to be Greek. Greek people won't talk about this openly, not even in their family circle. They just keep going. But it's still hurtful. We are still here. WE STILL EXIST.
@@Halalbeautie they were NOT saints. They, and all of humanity, were literally Pagan back then. Pagans were not Saints. HOWEVER, the Ptolemies were called Soters (Σωτηρ), meaning saviors from the previous Persian invaders. And I'm not bashing the people of Persia (ΠΕΡΣΙΑ, in Greece we still call them Persians). They share many common traditions in music for instance and food with the Greeks. Alexander literally married Roxana, regardless of what happened in ancient history or afterwards. The Coptic Orthodox Christians are the Orthodox Christians similar to the Greek Orthodox Christians.
@@Halalbeautie one more thing, the libraries in Alexandria Egypt, one built by Cleopatra VII Philopater, actually fostered the translation of the monotheistic texts. And the ROSETA STONE then helped in the translation of the Egyptian texts.
I feel this so much. There’s no such thing as Black and White and placing us in those categories has done nothing but allowed others to appropriate and profit from our histories. Stop separating Greeks from Greece. Stop separating Egypt from Egyptians.
Alright. As a black man born in Alabama in 1960 who grew up in Ohio, you solved the race problem for me. I now have an intellectual counterpoint to my Afrocentric racist friends next time one goes off about how we blacks built the pyramids and owned Africa before colonization -LOL. That probably wasn't your intention when making this video, and I can't put all my feelings in this short text. Confession: I binge-watched your videos for the past 2 hours and will definitely subscribe to your Patreon. Great, well-researched content and excellent insight (PhD not necessary and irrelevant in your case, bro). Keep up the good work.👍🏾
Its 1qm and im binging your content. I appreciate that you give us credit for being able to think for ourselves, but then you fill it in in case we dont want to. 😂❤❤
Colin Kaperknick is half Italian half African. He is half Mediterranean to be more precise. His birth mom (to use modern day Terminology) is of Italian descent.
@@ogun9645 yes they are and they are Italians. Mediterraneans were and are white, for sure, so were and are the Greeks, but not Nordic (and this is how the Nordic explained it back then in antiquity).
@@ogun9645 Per the US Immigration Act and Eugenics movement, only Northern Europeans are considered "white"; while Southern, Eastern and Western were considered mixed mutts and were ostracized. You forced them to claim whiteness after finding antiquities in these parts of Europe, but nothing in the North.
I strongly believe your version of events and I think the same can be said about the Carthage discussion being had as well, North Africa was also most likely highly mixed.
This man eats his own tail, he refers to the Coptics as natives, then he says herodotus didn't see the original Egyptians because they had already been conquered by several different people, was arguing that Arabs made very little change to the native gene pool in Egypt!
Huh….. go back and rewatched you flipped it. I literally say Herodotus DID see the natives. My entire point is that conquering does not equate to population displacement and he is evidence of that. And maybe I’m confused on your Arab point but Arabs weren’t even a thing yet in his time.
@@Mettabeshay 11:23 you say its not a good example because there were conquered by many people, 4:40 so you saying the that your country was more mixed in 500bc then then 650 ad?
I've just watched almost all of your videos, I appreciate your style and how thorough and direct you are. Sorry if this is a sensitive / ignorant question, but at 17:05 you mentioned not being able to show a photo of your aunt for "cultural reasons." Could you elaborate on this? I'm just a curious white lady with little background knowledge on Egyptian culture. Thank you for your work!
Good video, my only ONLY disagreement would be that Egyptians IS rather African history but not black history. Considering not all black people are from Africa for example, native Australians “Aboriginals” are black but they aren’t African and many Caribbeans nation are also black but that doesn’t mean they are Africans is absolutely an African native but as you said we are diverse in look it’s just rather an African history. If you think about it If and African black dude tried to claim an Aboriginal culture just because they are black it would be offensive and vise versa. My conclusion is Africa =/= Black and Black =/= Africa. Africa should definitely celebrate Egyptian as African culture but not a black culture because they are a lot also beautiful black culture that is outside Africa. A Coptic viewer.
There's no such thing as black or white history, black and white are social terms and only exist to divide on a superficial basis, anyone can arbitrarily assign such terms to whomever they want and make whatever claim they want, for example I could argue since the ancient Greeks and Romans were distinct population from western and northern Europeans and looked different on average the ancient Greek and Roman a were not white and therefore don't count as “white” history.
Please consider you are getting your information from Metta who is a self described "flaming leftie" who is only half Egyptian and actually grew up in the USA
@@markwinner274 So that means his father and uncles only half exist? What do his politics have to do with the historical and cultural realities that he's sharing? Can you illustrate the things he's getting wrong?
If you look at all the Egyptian representations of Egyptian people over those thousands of years, it's very, very obvious that Egyptians included people of all skin colors. Why would you believe one Greek writer is right, but thousands of Egyptian artists are wrong?
@@nycbearff FYi There are at least 11 other ancient Greek scribes who made the same observation as Aristotle about the physical appearance of the Egyptians.This group includes such notables as Homer,Plato, Herodotus,Diodorus Siculus and also a host of Romans.In the 5th Century B.C. in his voluminous work entitled "History Book 2" Herodotus described the ancient Egyptians as being 'Blackskinned and woolly-haired". Herodotus also noted that the people who inhabited Israel and Arabia were "Ethiopians"i.e.BLACK! As late as the 4th Century A.D. when Classical Egyptian Civilization had long since been dead,buried and deposited upon the Ash Heap of History the Roman soldier and historian Ammianus Marcellinas writes that "The men of Egypt are mostly brown and black with a skinny dessicated look".Hence the evidence extolling the BLACKNESS of the ancient Egyptians is UBIQUITOUS! All you're doing is regurgitating the rudderless ramblings of racist Egyptologists aka white supremacists aka SUPREME IDIOTS! G'DAY!
God Bless the Coptic Church! The constant persecution which often gets subsumed by other socio-pol issues is heartbreaking. Praying for an end to the persecution! +PAX+
Why are people still arguing our looks when faiyum portraits exist. Majority looking mediterranean/middle eastern while some being considered black. We are not apart of any other culture but our own.
Because those portraits are from after the Greek invasion and those people in the pictures were either Greek or mixed race....stop being lazy and actually do research
@@bigsalamimommy9346 they weren't ancient Egyptians either because the period those portraits come from is after the Greeks invaded and the DNA of the people in the caskets had Greek admixture....I'm sorry Timmy but the Faiyum portraits aren't of the dynastic Egyptians and that has been proven.
@@Ace-sb4il yet their supposed partial ancestry has been proven? Especially since Greeks were against mixing and if they were they were probably higher class, who burned their dead.
@@bigsalamimommy9346 you're just saying a bunch of stuff you think sounds cool ..how were the Greeks against mixing when Alexander the great pretty much made all of his generals which he made governor's in his newly conquered lands, take wives from those same countries...that's why it's thought that Cleopatra had at least some African ancestry because her great great grand father would've had to take an Egyptian wife....lol stop embarrassing yourself please. And a simple Google search disproves your little cremation claim.
5:40 Egyptian muslim guy here. Actually, Egypt was still a Christian majority country until the mamluks were defeated by the ottomans in the 16th century. Ottomans had a policy of islamization.
Good talk. One thing I would say re: Herodotus' description of Egyptians -- he was describing them in comparison to his own ethnic group, the Greeks, who were (and are) lighter skinned and less "kinky-haired." It is stretching his observations to assume that they imply that Egyptians were black in the modern-day Afro-centric sense of the term .
Just because someone is darker than you you would not describe them as black you describe them as black because that is the color you compare them to because that is the closest color to them
@@zur2016 Not necessarily -- color can be used in a figurative or relative sense too. For example, even in modern Greek, the term for getting tanned (i.e. suntanned) is "blackening." There is no derogatory sense in the term, and of course it doesn't mean suntanned people are literally turning black -- it just means that their skin color has darkened through tanning. Are East Asians really "yellow" or Native Americans really "red"? Are all people we now label as black really black in skin color? No. So, my point was that we have to take many such descriptions with a grain of salt, and certainly not take Herodotus' description of Egyptians as implying they were black by our modern day racialized definition of the term.
@@galanis38 everything you say is irrelevant and does not matter because for the simple fact they have never been black and the term the Greeks used did not mean black The terms the Greeks use meant dark and black is not the same thing so you are just unknowledgeable and do not know what you were talking about So everything I said is still correct Black is not It has never been a good proper or correct analogy to call those people And what what Herodotus Said about the Egyptians were correct The Greeks in Herodotus time period Even Drew pictures of Egyptians and they were very dark so what he said was correct people just wants to pick and choose what Herodotus said is true or not true
Perhaps some of us are unaware that so-called white people are literally incapable of telling the truth. They are literally demonic savages pretending to be human according to science and their own history. They have never built a civilization or invented a culture. How could Kmt be mixed five thousand years ago when nonBlack people have only been on the planet for six to ten thousand years? Stop lying.
No where does Herodotus describe ancient Egyptians as "black" he, in fact, compares them to the Colchians, a people who inhabited Georgia in the Caucasus, not burnt faced Ethiopians. "For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians...I myself guessed it partly because they are dark-skinned and curly haired though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are too." Had Herodotus wanted to designate the Colchians as "blacks" (and by extension, designate Egyptians as "blacks"), he would have named the Colchians by the standard Greek term Aithiops "scorched faces" , i.e.: "Ethiopians". Not only did he not name the Colchians as "Aithiops, in the same sentence he once again distinguished between Egyptians and Ethiopians. Where did Herodotus say Ethiopians lived? "The Ethiopians who border upon Egypt" (Herodotus, 3.97) "The country above Elephantine now begins to be inhabited by Ethiopians..." (Herodotus, 2.29.4) "You take the boat again and so travel for twelve days until you come to a great city called Meroe, which is said to be the capital of all Ethiopia." (Herodotus, 2.29.6) "Ethiopians say that their gods are snub-nosed and black" (Xenophanes of Colophon, fragment 16) Ethiopians "skin is black and blacker than that of others" (Aristotle, Problemata 66:898b) I have many many more, but you will scoff and deny. Ancient Greeks and Romans made clear contrast between Egyptians and Ethiopians. Likewise, the contrast between Egyptian and Nubian is quite obvious in their artwork. Afrocentrics never take these hard tangible facts into account, or their mummies.
They’re are a brown skinned people of Afro asiatic descent. They are related to Ethiopian Eritreans and Somalis. Even the Bible says that. Get in the bin with your anti Africnsness
Herodotus used the word μελαχρινός, which comes from 'μέλας', meaning black, and 'κουρά', meaning 'hair': it means black-haired. It doesn't refer to skin colour and the Greeks often used the term to refer to themselves.
I believe Lower Egypt has always been different from Upper Egypt. If you read about Narmer/Menes' conquest of Lower Egypt it comes off more like a foreign nation being subdued rather than a "unification" of two similar peoples. We don't even know 100% if later Egyptians call "Lower Egypt" is what the Lower Egyptians of Pre-Dynastic Egypt called the land because they become "Egyptianized". Or if Lower Egypt was a unified Kingdom like Upper Egypt was. Lower Egypt may have been a patchwork of Petty Kingdoms and states like Upper Egypt was prior to it's formation. In the time preceding Dynasty 1 all the action was taking place in the South around the city-states of Thinis, Abydos, Naqada, and Hierakonpolis. Many thought the figure known as the "Scorpion King" and Narmer/Menes were all the same person, but now we are beginning to suspect the Scorpion King(His name was literally "Scorpion") wasn't Narmer, or a nickname for Narmer, but rather was the first man to unite Upper Egypt and become the first king of that Kingdom. Narmer was likely his descendant who is the famous one from Egyptian literature that United Upper and Lower Egypt. But there does seem to have been a sort of rivalry between the "Two Lands" throughout Egypts long history, and I guess it persists today. Many ancient writers do credit the Ethiopians and Nubians as the founders of Egypt, Diodorus Siculus wrote “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris”. Upper Egypt does seem to have been populated from the South, whereas Lower Egypt seems to have been populated from the North East according to ancient genetic study. Upper Egypts Culture is just the one that won out, and we will just never know what Lower Egypt would have looked like if left separate from Upper Egypt.
excellent vid. as a major history geek who's obsessed with human evolution i have always believed that the ancient egyptians were precisely the same racially and genetically as they are now. a mix of "arab" and "negroid" as you find all throughout north africa even today. i'm totally convinced if you got in a time machine and went back to one of the periods of ancient egypt aside from modern clothing the population would look exactly the same as they do now.
I think that you did a really good job of addressing the question of the racial identity of the ancient Egyptians. However, you are wrong about the Old Kingdom not being necessarily "black." I will concede that Afrocentrists often over emphasize the impact that the 7th century Arab invasion had on the modern Egyptian population. The fact is that not only the Old Kingdom was black, the Badarian culture that preceded it and other various Nile Valley cultures were what we would today call "black." They were "black" in terms of phenotype. The statue of Narmer or Menes that you showed literally looks like Mike Tyson with a broad nose. The Nile Valley was the earliest population hearth in the African continent and served as a major corridor of the movement of peoples that we would today recognize as "black" from the south to places in the north like the Nile delta, Sinai, the Levant, and Mesopotamia. I will also acknowledge that race mixing went on in the Nile valley as early as befor 3100 BCE, when mixed peoples from the Asiatic Levant and Mesopotamia settled in the delta region. Darker skinned peoples from what became Thebes, Aswan, and Abydos mingled with the Asiatic populations of the delta, especially after the unification around 3100 BCE by Menes/Narmer. Modern population does descend from the ancient population, but they are much more diverse in phenotype than the ancient population. This diversity came from the invasion of the Hyksos, Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and lastly, the Arabs, all Eurasian populations, while the migrations from farther south in African slowed to almost nothing. This explains the great variation. We Afrocentrists and Black Nationalists just want to set the record straight when it comes to classical civilization. The rest of humanity claims that we had no contributions at all! What we are doing is not stealing, but are simply putting blacks as collective, it their proper place in he onward procession of human progress.
'he statue of Narmer or Menes that you showed literally looks like Mike Tyson with a broad nose.' - I bet there are many non Black Egyptians who look that way also. Phneotype of North Africans is ambigous and we should be carful to label them. It's the same with Olmecs who appears to be Black or Asian on some statues - yet they aren't any of those things.
@@StopTheLiessWho says that’s a real Egyptian? He doesn’t look like the foundational Egyptians who have East African origins. They certainly didn’t look like this.
Identity based on skin color at best are hilarious and at worst are racist. Faulty concept that would bring little to nothing to the peoples who believe it, colorism always exist in any human society as one of the aspect to differentiate, but only in western leaning socio cultural would make it as the one aspect to identify.
16:48 dude the guy was kemetyu (Egyptian). See this is the thing. When a guy's African features are so obvious you call him Nubian like you're trying to separate him from something. No...the guy was Egyptian😩 for goodness sake. Those same racist behavior you're complaining about you're doing them and you're not even aware you're doing them
It’s very problematic that they make a constant effort to separate Nubians from Egyptians even though they’ve been on those lands for thousands of years
The Nubians are separate and distinct nationality and race. The temple histories depict the Egyptians raiding the Nubian for gold and yes the Kingdom of Kush invaded and conquered Egypt ending theMiddle Kingdom before being defeated and evicted and beginning the New Kingdom
Hey Metta, I love your videos man. Very cool. I was just wondering about your videos on Egypt. Are your descendants from there? Keep making great content my friend. 👌
Egypt is also Mediterranean same as the Greeks and the Romans and the Jewish and the PALESTINIANS and all of Northern Africans. And there are still do this day all over the Mediterranean, people who are Orthodox Christians, including the COPTIC ORTHODOX Egyptians and the Ethiopians and even the Eritreans and the Palestinian Orthodox Christians, which is imperative to mention. It goes on. People might change religion for various reasons and WE ALL STILL EXIST REGARDLESS.
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 this is in fact about your feelings. It's called gaslighting and projection what you are doing. Don't hide behind a fake avatar image.
When so called Afro centrics say the native Egyptians were black, they are saying that the ancient Egyptians are indigenous black Africans. No one is saying African Americans are descended from that ancient civilization. At best some people may claim gene flow due to migration etc, because many common words are found amongst each groups, which means there was clearly a relation on some level. But no scholar said African Americans are descended from ancient Egypt / Kemet. It's clear the natives were indigenous black Africans from the Nile. And these Africans migrated up the Nile, trading, warring and intermingling with the Levantine Migrants in the delta. Ancient Egypt is a Nile civilization. Its oriented to the South on the borders of Nubia. That's where the first cities and kings were founded. The first Nome is Ta Seti, Land of the Bow. Smack dab in Nubia. These people were ethnically indistinguishable from nubians in the pre-dynastic and early dynastic eras. I also find it odd how every time you people do a video on the race of the ancient Egyptians, basic things like this are never ever included. Its like the origin of the civilization doesn't matter when determining who and what the people are lol. But then y'all wonder why there's so many afro centrics.😂 Maybe if y'all didn't conveniently remove black people from history all the time, we wouldn't have to have these conversations.
All humans came from drak skinned Africans so argument is null and void. People of Pharaonic Egypt were North Africans of various phenotypes and classify them as Black is nonsens. While there were no doubt many Black people in Upper Egypt, you keep ignoring North, that certainly didn't look the same even in early dynastic times.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518except it's not null and void....North Africans were black Africans.... according to theories put forth by mainstream science pale skin developed in central Asia...how can North Africans not be black?
@@Ace-sb4il Where did I said anything about 'pale skin'??? Race is not about skin, it's about phenotype. Egyptians were not Black Africans. Also, by the tie of Pharaohnci Egypt, Egyptians already had Asian admixture.
You guys are imposing modern ideas, like the current meaning of "race", on people who existed thousands of years before race was invented. Race is a philosophical thing, it has no physical reality - geneticists haven't found any traces of the racial profiles that were invented in the 18th century. And skin color varies widely all over Africa, and many different groups settled in the Nile Valley in the distant past - so no, the people of ancient Egypt and pre-Egypt didn't all have identical skin, either.
But ...... We're just 1 species, human beings. Maybe an alien invasion will bring us all together as the human RACE. I personally live to immerse myself in other cultures, their beliefs, and rituals. I don't think any culture is superior to any other culture, I think it all has value. Peace humans!
I know you mean well, but the "we're all one race, the human race" thing is a meme at this point, because it is rather tone deaf. Race is a social construct, but so are laws, money, time, borders, and all these things have consequences, just like how some people have been racialized. I also believe you mean well when you say all cultures have value, but it doesn't help to be blindly uncritical. Some cultures believe it is their god-given right to own people, for example.
A comprehensive answer from a "local". This video is great. I'm really happy that you decided to get into this question and give it such a rounded explanation. Perhaps you could do a future video just on the history of the region. The fact that Egypt is such an ancient civilization is rare, and the fact that they are still around is almost unicorn. Good job.
First To say that Africa as the origin of civilization is oversimplified and wrong. Mesopotamia civ older than egyptian and it is in Asia. Second Africa is region, not a race. So, if the Egyptian said that they are not African, thats probably mean they are not Black, because Egyptian are not that 'Black' and they want to differ themselves. Because when people hear Africa it's always meant the people like 'Black America'. Meanwhile there are many region in Africa with 'Not Black' people like Morocco, Algeria, Egypt etc. So, i think the Egyptian just want to said that they have their own civilization and race. They are not the people of Senegal, not the people of Morocco, but they are Egyptian. It's not about black or white.. Thats just the european racism product. Just like us in Asian Continent. Most people muat think Asian is Chinese or maybe Japan. While Asian has so many culture and rice from Arab, Indian, people in south east asia, some even look european ( people from caucassus). I think most people just mix up region with race vice versa.
Just because its in Africa it doesnt mean everybody is black. Thats like making a movie where a Persian king is chinese guy arguing that Persia is in Asia
No one is questioning that Persia wasn’t cultured and created by Persians. But they do it to Egypt because it’s one of the oldest and mysterious civilizations where the world has gotten much of its gifts from. However they try to make a distinction with Egypt because people don’t want to believe African people didn’t contribute anything to the world stage.
Ancient civilizations of Africa were all black. They didn't begin to lighten until the eras of colonization and redistribution of land began to happen.
You can simple look up a video 1925 Egypt and you will see what those people looked like before wyte people became infatuated with it those Arabs invaded! And to the dude who made this I respect you saying that Egypt is African but the reality is those ancient Egyptians were Black Africans!
What is being missed is simply that the culture came from Nubia and Ethiopia (DMT) *including current Somalia. I would argue that we need to look closer at the connection between the Fula, Kalenjin, Kunama, Tutsi, Somali and Ethiopian contributions opposed to Arabs. For some reason the DNA evidence that shows Africans with E1B1a/E1b1b paternal have a distinct connection to Nubian and Egyptian rulers (including mayors and military personnel). Remember that African history is much lengthier than our current understanding. PHD professors have proven the contrary to much of the information presented. We need to have a genuine at length symposium on this matter and settle it as it is clear the propaganda is confusing so many people.
Nubia is another name for Upper Egypt. The ancient Egyptian still lives in the area. No need to look after in Somalia or Ethiopia or other parts of African countries while Sudan and Eritrea were part of Upper Egypt.
Are you sure that Egypt is completely African? What about 35% of Egypt's area that is located in the Asian continent? What about the fact that Egypt is a Mediterranean country? Man, the distance from Cairo Airport in Egypt to Khartoum Airport in Sudan, the closest African country to Egypt, is about three and a half hours, while the distance from Cairo Airport to Athens Airport in Greece is only about two hours. A large part of Egypt is closer to Europe than to Africa. My dear, three cultures meet in Egypt: Africa, the Mediterranean, and Asia, and this is what makes it different, and this is something that does not exist in any other African or non-African country. Cultures are what make civilizations, not a tone skin .. There are many black Egyptians, but not all Egyptians are black
Why are you treating the Nubian dynasty as a foreign invasion when they as a matter of fact reconnected Egypt to it's old ways and established what even racist western scholars all agree was a renaissance. Where have you seen foreigners establishing a renaissance in someone else's land? Look I actually agree so far with a lot of what you've said but I don't agree with this one view which I've noticed in your older videos. Are you even aware that the precursor civilization for Egypt was the Nubian civilization?
@@corydetukas3307 no I'm talking about Nubia. Even today untouched areas in the nuba mountains still have practices that are exact replica from the ancient walls in Egypt
Egypt/kemet was connected to nubia. They were sister tribes, why there art is similar. Egypt is african/black, over time it was taken over again and again. Why it's light today like he said it's+ it's all carved on the walls.
When it came to Greek population in Egypt. They had to recruit Egyptian natives at one point to fill out their phalanx, and after the Egyptian Army got destroyed at Panion, the Ptolemaic army basically dissapeared from the historical narrative. Suggesting the Greeks were not to numerous.
Lmao your funny you mention Diop but then just say he's wrong who are you compared to the genius book writer and famous historian your sources are legit trust me bro what i say is true when you're just a guy on youtube smh.
We owe a lot to Diop because he forced us to look at things from a different perspective. But his theories had creation flaws due to the fact there there were certain types of information that weren't available at that time. Had he been alive today, he'd be the first to admit that.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Wrong again mate i appreciate you taking the time respond tho this debate jas been going on long before Netflix's Cleopatra everyone and their mom knows she was Greek that aside there's other channels that's been covering this topic Kuelimika and he comes with his receipts, references and actual greek historic facts you did none of that just gave your opinion on why you thought a famous historian is wrong so again i ask who are you how far have you studied and under who, Greeks thought they were black the French thought they were black and all these people wasn't afrocentric back then they probably were still racist you modern day Egyptians are hiding a lie and you're only fooling stupid people, explain to me why there's laws against saying ancient Egypt is of any other race we know why explain to me why after first two dna test they stopped releasing the rest to the public, we know why they found a lot of Africans can't release that crazy you wont get away with the lie.
The part about the Copts being the original Egyptians is grossly false. Copts were a convergence of the Greeks and the already heavily mixed people in Northern Egypt. Copts represent the LAST stage of Egypt before the Arab invasion in the 600s. Egypt is rooted in a black African civilization that is at least 5,000 years old. The script went through several phases Hieroglyphs to Hieratic to Demotic to Coptic (which uses the Greek Alphabet with some Demotic characters) Aside from the fact that the Copts look nothing like any of the numerous Ancient Egyptian depictions of how they portrayed themselves. (East Africans with East African hairstyles). Additionally, you will NOT see Coptic Egyptians walking about with NO SHIRT ON. They lack melanin. Mind you, most of the Ancient Egyptian Gods like Ammit and Twaret are based on Sub-Saharan African animals. When you add everything up, Egypt is not a multi-ethnic civilization. It is based in a Black African civilization that was conquered many time by many different groups several times. Mamluks, Persians, Assyrians, Greek, Romans, British, French, Hyksos. 5,000 years, and call the Copts the original Egyptians from 1 AD. (Side eye) Foreigners (Canaanites) have been in Egypt since the days of the Hyksos (15th dynasty) Copts and the introduction of Christianity are closer to us in 2024, than they were to the pyramid of Djoser or the Great Pyramid of Giza. 3,000 BC is actually 5,000 years ago. A lot of people miss this - and how OLD Egypt was even at 1 AD when the Copts adopted Christianity. Finishing listening - I'll let you cook, before I decide whether I want to leave this comment or none. SMDH @ 5,000 years old points to the people of 1 AD.
@@CrimsonSp33d Absolutely not. Cleopatra (who was Greek) is closer to us in 2024 than the building of the first Pyramid of Djoser. (2670 BCE) Africans: ~300,000 years old Arabs (Middle Eastern populations): ~60,000-70,000 years ago Europeans and Asians: ~40,000-50,000 years ago Blue eyes: ~6,000-10,000 years ago By 1AD - Hyksos, Assyrians, Persians, Mumluks (Turks), Arabs, Greeks, and Romans had all been there. And with that argument of 1AD - I could easily point to Saint Maurice and his depictions from the 3rd Century. He was from Thebes - right where the Ancient Egyptians held their Capital for Centuries. Even looking at the written language - it goes from Hieroglyphs to Hieratic to Demotic to Coptic. The later two were writing systems influenced by those outside the region. So why would I start with the later writing styles rather than the oldest ones when discussing the origins of an ancient civilization. We want to know what the base culture was, not the most recent. Saying otherwise would be like going into a cemetery in Brooklyn NY and today, and claiming that North America had always been Italian American. We know how dumb that would be.
U started out strong, but ar just taking up on side of the debate. Ur position is that ancient Egypt was phenotypically diverse without any evidence. Ur argument is essentially of an unchanging demographic and egypt has always been a 'cross-road'. But u spend no time arguing why this is better than a theory of demographic change. U don't actually address the strongest argument that the Egyptians themselves came from the south. That Egypt was unified south to north. That cultural continuities exist through the nile Valley and discontinuities to the Levant. U discount herodotus claim by not even addressing it or its implications. What observer today would describe modern Egyptians in this way, with wooly hair and black skin like the eithiopians? Who would describe the Egyptians and eithiopians as looking similar? Yes, some Egyptians look eithiopian and so do some Americans. But the generalized view of Americans is not that they look eithiopian. Herodotus statement in comparison to today's population points to demographic change. U then bring up invasions and how his statement somehow contradicts the demographic change hypothesis. How? He observed Egyptians as black and modern observers don't. Demographic change attempts to explain this, but u wave that away with what I describe as "melting pot" theory. That Egypt has been a melting pot since the dawn of time or at least the dawn of its recorded existence. But that can't be true theoretically and is not true in reality. Theoretically, human groups have to have some measure of separation, eons, for phenotypical variation where white and black are even conceptually possible. And one group had to enter Egypt first. Reality wise, this is why the southern origin is important because it shows that the first group to enter came from the south. Also, Egypt's early interaction with outside regions is to the south. Interaction with the north occurs much later. Put another way, Egypt was a nile valley civilization and then a Mediterranean civilization, in that order. First capital, Thebes, then Memphis, not the other way around. The crossroads didn't exist in the beginning. Ur projecting the situation from today, 1000, or even 500 bce to 3000 bce. But u really have no evidence for this theory.
Heroduts did not compared Egyptians to Ethiopians. He compared them to Colchians - who are West Asians. He observed Egyptians as darker in comparison to Greeks, but phenotypically he said outwardly they look similar to Georgians.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518that's not what he said....he said the colchains were thought to be descendants of the Egyptian because of their dark skin and wooly hair....lol stop trying twist things with your lies
@@Ace-sb4il You are twisting wrods. He said they are 'thought to be'. He himself stated he doesn't believe it. And he was right - there is no evidence there was any Egyptian population in Colchis. Were it would go? Also, dark skin doesn't mean phneotype we call Black. Modren Egyptiand have dark skin and they are mostly not Black.
Dude did you just say nilo Saharan is not related to Egypt? Nilo Saharan is the language family of...you know what maybe I'm making a mistake here. Kemet! Nilo Saharan is the family Kemet belonged to. The Medu neter is nilo Saharan. Bro I get what you're trying to do here. And I fully support it. Everyone is Egyptian. Even the French Egyptians are Egyptians. True. But please respect the true origins of the ancient civilization Kemet. Those you call Nubians in Aswan are not the 25th dynasty Nubians. Those guys were pushed back into Sudan by the Assyrians. These people are only called Nubians today to make them seem like foreigners to Egypt and I even hear there's a racial connotation to it. The so called Nubians in Egypt are descendants of the oldest people that established kemet. Give them that respect. It won't make them more or less Egyptian than that other Egyptians. Kemet is long gone. The natives in america are recognized as the oldest population and the first inhabitants of the land. This isn't giving them any edge over anybody in america. It's just a fact that is known.
"Kemeti nilo Saharan.." Look at this supremacist is tryin to rewtite history. The ra cist supremacist does not want to acknowledge the fact that neither Ancient Egypt or amcient Kush were "Nilo Saharan" speakers but instead both Afro Asiatic speakers. The ra cist doesnt want to acknowledge that ancient Kush or the 25 th dynasty were not "Nilo Saharan" peoples but genetically, culturally and linguistically much closer to the Middke East than they were to "Nilo Saharan" people or ssAfrica as a whole. The r acist desperately tries to change history to feel better about his sad reality. Keep tryin ..r afist.
I don’t understand your claim that Egyptian language is Nilo-Saharan. It is spoken and understood by Coptic monks, linguists, egyptologists (I know they don’t mean much) Everyone who knows the language agrees it’s afroasiatic. And it would geographically make no sense for them to speak Nilo-Saharan languages as most around them in north/east Africa speak afroasiatic languages.
@@weskerwillie9044 Afroasiatic is a language family that has 6 smaller branches; berber, semitic, cushitic, chadic, omotic, and egyptian. These langauges share syntax, grammer, and vocab. saying the ancient egyptian language is nilo-saharan would be similar to saying Chinese is indo-european (English, French, Hindi). No one who Studies and Speaks these languages would make a claim like that.
I was pleasantly surprised when one of my sisters took a DNA test and it showed Egyptian heritage from my German born mother. My mom and two of her brothers are olive skinned with dark hair and eyes. I can only guess when Napoleon conquered Egypt he had German regiments in his army-and perhaps one of them brought an Egyptian wife home with him.
22:12 dude when people say Cleopatra was black they mean in the typical sense that she had African ancestry kinda like you. If you went to america today walking down the street you'd be black. It's that simple. When they say Cleopatra was black their not saying she came from west Africa or central Africa in fact that actor playing Cleopatra that made modern Egyptians so mad is a British woman and mixed! The woman is as European as she is African but because of a stupid social label called black you're all upset. Dude go look at the twin statues of Cleopatra selene and Alexander Helio. The twin children of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony. Those children have hair like yours. They are mixed! Who pops out mixed children without doing it with an afro descended partner?
I have hair like his. And I'm Greek (and inbred from a very closed society). So? Greeks had curly hair. Look at the Greek statues, from the Minoan to the Archaic to the classical age. CLEOPATRA named her kids after her Greek ancestors and Cleopatra Selene and and Alexander Helios (GREEK NAMES) and DIETIES. She had coins made of herself. She did that. The Romans who abhorred her and killed her children had sculptures made of her and Frescoes. They called her out on her sh*t (to use modern linguistics), and hunted her down and she killed herself and they then killed her children (including Cesarion named after his father). Don't you think they wouldve pointed everything out? From the above, Greek names and all the artifacts, Cleopatra herself identified as the GREEK inbred tragic figure that she was.
Dear Wesker, you agree with me that race is a social construct. American's perception of who is black is very different from Egyptian perception of who is black. Perhaps Egyptians use the term black to refer to Negro. Please respect that we perceive things differently, and don't impose your definitions on us.
@@emanmosharafa558 it's clear you are not even aware that negro simply means black. There is not a single soul enforcing anything on you. Just you causing fire where there is non. Black Americans are fighting their own battle against white supremacy and racism. You that nothing concerns you. You're putting yourself in the center. When black Americans say black they simply mean African. Because as an African if I go to america white people won't create a distinction between me and a black american. They will call me black. Your own problem is that you don't see yourselves as black. It is not our business how you want to see yourselves. But don't make it our business by trying to erase the true nature of ancient Egyptian history. Then, you will have a problem with us. If you claim you are descended from the ancient Egyptians but your ancient Egyptian ancestors were not black then clearly you are not descended from ancient Egyptian ancestors. It's that simple. I recognize the fact that many modern Egyptians today both black and non black have ancestral ties to ancient Egypt be it matrilineal or patrilineal. This does not give you the right to re imagine history
@@emanmosharafa558 Except that there are no negros in Africa. This is an idea created by Europeans and they can't even decide what the hell that is. One day they tell you Somalis are negros, next day they change them into caucasians. They tell you East Africans are caucasians because they have ancient eurasian mixture, but they call an African American with over 50% European ancestry black. None of this makes any sense.
why are you so obsessed with Cleopatra she was Greek and white if your going to worry about that mysterious 25% then you can't for sure say anyone is anything. Even the possible egyptian grand mother from the north would probably be light skin and middle eastern looking.
"Never a time when Egypt looked like one thing" Let's start with, you began the video with OUT OF AFRICA. All people came from Africans. The Nile flows North - from the interior of Africa to the Mediterranean, not the other way around. The Egyptians Gods are Sub-Saharan African Animals (that can still be found there today.) Afro-Asiatic languages originated IN AFRICA The Hieroglyph for face is CLEARLY a Black African. Ancient Egyptians walked around shirtless Ancient Egyptians hairstyles, headrest, collars, combs, all have cultural continuity with the interior of Africa where the Black Africans reside. Understand the the Afrocentrist argument is NOT whether Egypt today is BLACK OR WHITE. The argument is that Ancient Egypt was rooted in a Black African Civilizations. Africans 300,000 years old. Near Easterners 70,000 years old. Europeans 45,000 years old. Blue eyes 6,000 years old. The fact that the ORIGIN of one of the oldest civilizations on the planet does not reside with the oldest people on the planet.... Bruh... it's just RACISM!
Egypt is not african .... thats like saying mexico is american. Africa is a continent and barley 400 years old. Africa did not exsist in ancient egypt.
You are very confused. Africa is a continent - it is millions of years old. It has physical boundaries. America is a continent - it is millions of years old. It has physical boundaries. Mexico and Egypt are nations - defined by humans. They are artificial government entities, whose borders have changed repeatedly over their history. And they sit on chunks of continents - Mexico is part of America, Egypt is part of Africa. When the countries are long gone, replaced by different governmental arrangements, the continents will remain.
The closest to the Ancient Egyptians are the Copts, Fellaheen of the Nile Delta, and Sa'idis of Luxor, I have more than proved this! They are to be respected and acknowledge as the true heirs of Egypt!
@@The_Truth- well how do you know this and all of North Africa is in the middle east and Africa is a continent not race go search modren egyptian genom and dna and the only descendants of anicent egyptains are modren egyptians the black and brown of us
@@gamalnassertv They’re not the closest to the foundational Egyptians that came from within the continent. As I said before Copts have middle eastern origins. Since when have middle easterners ever had origins in Africa?
Just for the record I don't consider non black Egyptians to be less Egyptians because of their non African phenotype but that doesn't change the facts that modern Egyptian phenotype is the way it is today because of foreign admixture beginning well from the Greco roman period till date. Many modern Egyptians are insecure about this and try to run this silly argument that Egypt has always looked like this. Na. You don't need to change the past to look like you to exert your ancestral claims anymore than a Japanese Nigerian needs to look less Japanese to claim her African birth right in Nigeria. Africans are the most accepting people in the world. Just don't try to write us out of history because of your modern looks
And just one more problem I, a Far East Asian Man is more related genectically to an Ethiopian or Eritrean Man than they are related to a Ghanaian Man.
@@sonnymak6707 I doubt that but it's possible. You fail to realize there are Ethiopians in Ethiopia that are phenotypically indistinguishable from Ghanaians today and you also fail to realize you do not know how many Eritreans carry the same genes. While we are almost certain African population dispersion most likely occurred from east Africa to other parts of Africa, we know for an absolute fact that much of you originate from outside Africa🤷🏿. So how would you with your out of African genes have more genetic correlation to inside African genetics whether eritrean or Ghanian
@@sonnymak6707 yes I am. I've heard multiple non black Africans say, "we are not Africans" but never heard the same from black Africans. It's something many of u have already admitted to🤷🏿. So yes. When I speak of Africa I mean black Africa. And in a sense of truth non black Africans are a part of us. But if you try to separate yourself from us that's like a child saying he doesn't belong to the family but still lives under his father's roof. The foreign label is created by non black Africans in north Africa when they make these silly claims but still try to root their origins in African antiquity. You simply cannot claim to originate from Africa and say your ancestors were not black.
@@elliottbrown1329 she might be part black. She is white like her mom but her dad was a dark skinned Mexican, probably a descendant of the original inhabitants of the Mexico region. My uncles were darker like their dad and the daughters were more brown/tan.
This is (in my humble opinion) the best video on this topic, and there are a lot of videos. You were knowledgeable, nuanced, and respectful. Love it
Agreed
@@Hottiehoes Ditto...👍
No, watch Mr.imhoetp and The king's Monologue videos.
Maybe not so respectful to some ignorant people out there, but it’s still the best thing I’ve seen explaining this whole thing. Everyone else just seems to be leaning towards one side with this.
Dude you have great UA-cam content I can't wait to see your channel grow
found this channel from your legal drugs vid and your vids are so good! subbed!
Great video - balanced, thought-provoking, and evidence based. The question of race and ethnicity of Egyptians, past and present, is a complex shifting picture that shouldnt be reduced to a shouting match about Cleopatra's skin tone.
Lol so calling out blackwashing, revisionism and literal false info is a shouting match?
I know it’s hard to believe but Egyptian people are Egyptian 😮
They figured out how to pronounce ancient Egyptian because they listened to modern Coptic. Nevermind, just hit that part of the video lol
Ikr. Like Egyptian people exist today and they are as diverse as the whole Mediterranean, lol. Europe and North Africa and a bit of the middle east.
Yeah in Africa…
Mind blowing
And even more hard to believe Egypt is part of Africa! 😮
Here's something that you might also find interesring, historically / culturally speaking as a Greek: there is literally a Saint in the Greek Orthodox Christian Church (and also in the Coptic Orthodox Church and even the Catholic Church as she was a Saint before the schism) named Cleopatra and she is Venerated on 19 October. I personally directly work with 3 separate Greek women named Cleopatra and there are 8 total in this large Greek company I now work for. I checked in the internal employee digital catalogue with all of this going on and was surprised myself that there were 8 just in this one company. Greeks inherit their names from their Grandparents and Greek women, from their paternal grandmothers (mostly from their father's side and sometimes from their maternal grandmothers).
Greek are Caucasian people just like the Coptic people of Egypt. Yes, Caucasian come in many shades. Even people from the Middle East and Northern Africa are Caucasian. If you look at ancient roman and Greek mosaics they are clearly more on the whiter side. Old ancient Egyptian artifacts look more like the actual Coptic people in Egypt still living today. Dark brown hair and olive colored skin. The American negrocentric blacks are claiming every culture on this planet was black. Yet they never created a written language.
I do tend to hear them bizarrely talking about some invasion in the 600s, lol...now, maybe that makes sense to them, but I always felt that it would look more likely that an invasion (I'm not an Afrocentrist, lol, and I don't believe the ancient Egyptians were black), or a series of invasions, happened much earlier, etc, in the Middle Kingdom or something...I mean, if an invasion happened at all...I always invariably hear them say that the invasion happened in the 600s...what about all the other conquests of Egypt?...No affect on the population?...Lol...I mean, especially in light of DNA testing that seems to stretch to the late Middle Kingdom and not earlier (well, maybe they did do DNA testing for earlier and I'm just not aware of it)...why couldn't the Egyptians have been black from the predynastic period to the early Middle Kingdom, lol, and not have been majority black afterward?...It's like I don't hear any Afrocentrists arguing that...this argument would work against their usual claim, I mean, the argument about the small size of the invading Arabs of the 600s, but not against the claim that the change in ethnicity occurred much earlier...I personally feel the most swayed against a belief in the blackness of the Egyptians by the iconography, lol, I mean...they consistently drew themselves with lighter skin than they did the Nubians, etc...why would they do that if they were just as black as the Nubians?...Unless they only started doing that in later periods, I don't know, frankly...I'm fairly ignorant about this topic, but even with my level of ignorance, what the Afrocentrists are arguing seems absurd to me...
Those cave paintings in Algeria, lol, I saw the other day in a documentary, look way "blacker", lol, than the Egyptians paintings of themselves...
@@archangecamilien1879 dude! Who made the documentary? Was it someone's grandma or her cousin? Really! We all still exist. The Mediterranean was not created for modern day "pseudo scholars" on either side of the spectrum, to use as their battle ground. None of us disappeared. We belong where we are. The USA and the AMERICAS in the history of the world is so unique and it was made that way afternoon much planning. Planning that indeed included the erasure of peoples in the Mediterranean, but not because if their skin color and it was pit into affect AD (let's just put it that way).
7:49, lol, yeah, that's virtually impossible, but it's possible for them to be majority something, lol...I don't think even the Afrocentrist are claiming they were one thing at any point...or maybe I'm underestimating the absurdity of their arguments, lol...but, really, lol, you can exist at a crossroads and be majority-something...perhaps more black toward the south and less so toward the north, etc...that indigenous Coptic group is a good argument, at any rate, lol, that obliterates the argument about the Arab invasion in the 600s being the culprit, I would say, lol...
This is the best response I've seen in a while on this subject. My Issue is my People are stuck on Egypt when We NEED to learn about the Kingdoms and Empires in West and Central Africa before anything else because that's where Our Ancestors are from.
Western civilisation is built on a concept of race from more than 2,000 years ago by the Greeks. Even in the face of modern science, people believe (or perpetuate) the concept of a superior race in order to justify the subjugation of others. Deep down we all know and science proves our origin is African.
The story is many fled Egypt and went into central and west Africa. Today African American descendants of pharaohs are showing up in America. I think the fact that we go into museums and see people with thick lips broad noses dreadlocks and tree bark brown skin makes us think one thing. Like pharaoh mentuhotep lol how can you say he isn’t black. And if he was then everyone after him in that dynasty was as well
@@JustMe-no8el it's crazy that you step over Our West and Central African Ancestors and their Civilizations to go play pharaoh and deny these modern Egyptians their heritage because to YOU they look like Arabs when Arabs keep telling people that they aren't Arab. The closest modern people to the Ancient Egyptians from Predynastic to the Persian Conquest are the modern day EGYPTIANS. Their DNA says that they are native to Northeast Africa. We African Americans have More European DNA on average than the average Modern Egyptian has DNA outside of Africa.
@@JustMe-no8elwell Ill use the kind of phrase I would expect from someone who would say something ignorant stop appropriating other people's culture learn about your own there's plenty of great people who were African plenty of great African Americans too but they just weren't pharaohs
@@s0r03 what’s appropriation regarding stating that someone was black or not? Why are you a hater? It literally is a legend that passed down orally that people fled Egypt and many went to other places in central and west Africa. Are those legends not part of my culture 😂😂😂😂
You're gaslighting on the "they aren't trying to deny Egypt's black artifacts"
If it wasn't for Pinterest, many of those images no one would know about. Egyptians have a horrendous habit of showcasing late period Greco-Roman/ Hellenistic period art and trying to make those images represent 5,000 years of Egyptian history.
They get quiet when we show them the hieroglyph for face, or entire pharaonic family trees like the 18th dynasty, or the 12th dynasty.
And don't get me started on the BUST of King Tut from his own tomb (Google it) and the Caucasian man that National Geographic tried to present as the reconstruction.
Additionally, because East Africans don't typically have West African features, Arab Egyptians will take someone like Akhenaten and try to claim him as an Arab Egyptian, not taking 2 seconds to look up his parents. Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye - and we know what his son looked like (King Tut) along with his sister.
None of them look like you.
Arab Egyptians also get REAL QUIET when we showcase the BUST of Senusret II.
Again - Arab Egyptians LOVE to play the "ONLY SHOW LATE PERIOD" Hellenistic period artifact game.
GET EM PETE
What is your point? Both sides are to blame for this and most people that know history do not deny Egypt was diverse in their skin color
Afrocentric Bantus and NigeroCongolese descendants have a serious mathematic and chronological historic problem 🤦🏻♂️🤡🤣. Actually they’re suffering from a huge identity crisis.
Even Horners Africans and Sudanese who are more closely related don’t claim to be Egyptians 😂🤣.
The black element of Egypt came from Nubians ancestors who actually provocated the destruction of Meroe’s Kingdom it was at that time that the lower Egyptians definitively splitted from the uppers ones, nearly as similar as the Assyrians splitted from the Babylonians when they were both originally Akkadians.
They Assyrians mixed more with the Hittites/Urartu, while the Babylonians mixed more with the Mittanis but also remained closer to the Sumerians.
The lower Egyptians raped the raped the Kushitics and got all sorts of women, Nubians blacks, Semitics, Berbers, Canaanites.
The Kushitics got naturally more toroughly admixed with the Nubians and many of their tribes even lately with the bantus expansions.
Don’t try to reverse history and accept what you are. A single dna test shows that you got nearly 100% of your ancestors from nilotics hunter gatherers origins which are the Homosapians groups of humans that already developed their genetic pool at southwest af during at least the mid to low Paleolithic period and never took the Nile Valley
@@joaofarinha551 No - Egypt was not "diverse"
You're talking about a 5,000 year old civilization. Egypt was rooted, and started in a Black African civilization. All other came later. The people were East and some West African types. That's what depicted until much later periods.
Due to RACISM everyone wants to pretend like the Black East African phenotype doesn't exists. The entire planet gets all of their genes from Africans. The BASE CULTURE and RACE is Black African, nothing else.
@@sargewilliepete2174 please provide evidence to show Egypt was started as a black African civilization
I randomly found your videos yesterday and I subscribed after the first one. You are doing brilliant work man.
The problem with calling Egyptians black is that you're imposing one culture's concept of blackness on a different one. Because there's no objective definition of where "black" stops and "white" or "brown" or "Mediterranean" or whatever begins. If all Egyptians, from Lake Nasser and Halayib to Sallum and Arish (which isn't even in Africa), are to be defined as black, so be it, but that definition would also encompass many people in southwestern Asia and southern Europe (think Antonio Banderas) who wouldn't look out of place in northern Egypt. Objectively, you cannot draw an equal sign between a visual definition of blackness and the arbitrary boundaries of the African continent. Objectively, skin color and other supposed racial characteristics each exist on a spectrum, with different areas of different spectra often being concentrated in specific regions of the world, and with genetics adding an extra layer of counter-intuitive similarities and differences.
Americans taking it upon themselves to "educate" foreign peoples on what race they supposedly belong to aren't battling racism, even if racism does exist in those cultures. What they're doing is less like battling racism and more like telling a Brit with Pakistani ancestry that they can't call themselves Asian or an Argentinian with German ancestry that they don't look Latino. They are engaging in a form of cultural imperialism that passes under their own radar by painting itself in left-wing colors. If a dark-skinned person from Nouakchott or Cairo or Aden or Port Moresby tells you that they're not black... they're not black. If a mixed-ancestry person from Santo Domingo or Recife or Cape Town or Zanzibar tells you that they're not black... they're not black. Not by their own definition, which is the only one they have to give a damn about. The fact that race is a social construct means that anyone seeking to impose on others a different set of notions about what the "real" races of humankind are, and who belongs to which, should absolutely not expect a warm welcome.
And yes, one's eyes should roll just as much when an Afrocentrist claims the Ethiopians, Swahilis or Zulus as part of the heritage of African-Americans as when they claim the Egyptians. It's the same mistake as when a Polish-American wears a kilt to feel closer to his European ancestors or when an Irish-American declares pizza part of the culinary legacy of all white people. None of which ever happens, because the average American knows enough about Europe to understand how ridiculous that would be, and nowhere near as much about Africa.
Exactly, Black History Month is an American thing, let it be for Black Americans not for Egyptians or Swahilis or Yoruba People. Also, what is "Black" is entirely arbitrary, like the idea of "Africa" as a continent. Races and continents are both wholly made up. Plus the idea of a "black people" from the "African" continent is mostly a Black Nationalism thing from the early 1900s in the USA, applying it to the rest of the world is repeating colonialist ideas.
@Stamboul Are you white, american ?
@@ngutumpuennutu2836 I'm not American.
@@Stamboul from your previous (and great analysis!) comment, the fact that you're not american was so obvious :)
That's why ethnicity should be the focus not race. Race is a recent things
Man I'm sorry you arent getting more attention. You have all the hallmarks and quality of a big youtuber. Sometimes it just takes awhile before the algorithm finally notices you. Keep your head up brother, your time is coming! 👍
I really like your videos. Keep making them. In regards to your topic, This would mean that the rest of the Mediterranean would be of mixed people as well because not only is Africa close to these other places, as you say, these other places are close to Africa as well.
Well of course, the Arab region has alot of black African contributions also always has...
Yes, mixing has been very thorough throughout the history of humans. Modern genetics is showing all kinds of relationships and migrations that are upsetting people. Mediterranean people are all definitely mixes of different peoples from other parts of the world. There's no "pure" group of people unrelated to everyone else.
@@nycbearffdon’t tell that to the Afrocentric or Eurocentric Nazis
You did a great job going through all this.
My only issues is with Egyptians who refuse to accept that there is no universal Egyptian look, that Nubians are still Egyptian and black Egyptians exist.
As an African American I have no desire to claim Egypt as black history nor my history. However, I am pro anything Africa so I will always love and uplift African peoples.
Actually we accept to be called of different races and colors, we just don’t like to be identified as blacks or whites cause we are neither.
Currently Nubians are Egyptians, but in ancient Egypt the two civilizations were rivals. Nubians assert this fact, they are proud of their heritage, language, and identity. We have been living together for 5000 years and they still say they are Nubians first and Egyptians Second!!
@@emanmosharafa558 “Nubians” were not a specific group in ancient times and there were “Nubian” cultures that precede Egypt in places like Nabta playa and “nubian” groups that have always been apart of upper Egypt.
@@emanmosharafa558 that’s okay but I’m talking about current times. From the Nubians I’ve seen I laugh when I hear an Egyptian call them black because many of them are but a shade darker and have many of the same phenotypes. Why? Because mixing. That’s why.
My brother in law is married to a Nubian woman. When my husband told me his brother was married to a black woman I was like oh that’s cool until I met her and yeah…..Nubian isn’t in current times synonymous with black but your fellow Egyptians will refer and treat you like you’re block and when you leave Egypt, you’ll be black. Just the reality.
If you are black and don't know what country your ancestors are from and you don't speak any African languages then you are a black American.
This guy is so charismatic and entertaining...why has this channel not blown up !!
I want to hilight the point where he mentioned that white looking asiatic people can speak the language and follow the practices of Egypt and be seen as Egyptians but dark skin Africans who do the same won't be seen as Egyptian. Egypt started out of Northern Sudan and their ancestral land was the Horn of Africa yet the literal people from those lands can't even be Egyptian if they tried. Yet someone literally foreign to the continent will be treated as a native. Interesting. I wonder why that is...
Then he admits that's it's totally logical and very likely that the Egyptians were dark Africans who were lightened by (multiple) conquests. But must immediately counter said logic by talking about a recent study that was conducted by the ARAB government and totally has no bias in it's interpretation....
In Africa your features are distinct to your ethnic group and or your neighboring ethnic group. You know when someone doesn’t look like one of your ethnic group or familiar neighboring ethnic group. They will stick out like a sore thumb. Some phenotypes are not familiar to people of certain regions because they never had contact with
@@StopTheLiess the prevailing ethnic group are invaders. They are NOT from Africa most are from ME and Turkey. Are you claiming that Egyptians had no contact with other Africans. Nubians were literally black Africans from East Africa, Berbers were from East Africa and both North Africa and Sun Sahara were unified in the green Sahara (which is larger than the USA). We even have record of Egyptians bringing Pygmy people from the interior of Africa and giving them royal status. Explain to me how Egyptians didn’t interact with black people? You are literally delusional. Egypt is an AFRICAN civilization not an Arab civilization. Arabs were in ARABIA. Why is this so hard to understand. There was no impassible desert, y’all are unnecessarily dividing Africa when Egyptians would not have seen Africa as divided. Nubians and Egyptians both saw Arabs and Non Canaanites as strangers. Someone with white or near white skin would have definitely been a foreign being that natural selection wouldn’t have favored those traits in a D E S E R T/ Jungle region. Upper Egypt is a literal desert bruv, how on earth did white looking people beat Africans to a section of Africa when Africans had 10,000 years head start over Caucasians?
@@StopTheLiessAs I stated in my initial comment. Egypt did NOT start from the Middle East it started from East Africa. My point is that why would a white person from the Caucasus mountains be seen as Egyptian while a Sudanese or East African wouldn’t be seen as Egyptian. Those are literally the regions where Egypt originated from. That makes like 0 sense.
@@studiometaart1974 Preach!
Quickly becoming a new favorite youtuber :)
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Sincerely the one of like few online trans Palestinians lol
I'm sure that historical Egyptian people's had intermingling contact with the other Africans to the south of the Sahara, but as is obvious by looking at the Coptic people (the descendants of the ancient egyptians) that they were essentially a Semitic people with a Semitic related language.
Coptic is not in the Semitic branch of the AfroAsiatic family. They were by and large an East African people who received gene flow over the course of their history from the Levant. Their language was restricted to Africa with no proto versions anywhere in Asia. Their culture, or the one we recognize as Egyptian, was restricted to Africa. As a matter of fact, open any history book and when they begin the origins of pharaonic culture, they go way back to the pre dynastic archeological findings in Northern Sudan and Upper Egypt. In the Delta there were cultures that had ties to the Levant, but that culture was eclipsed by that of the south, which had ties to other East African cultures as can still be observed to this day.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 it's not, but it's closely enough related, and the people themselves are closely enough related to contemplate the fact that they share an origin
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 the only black skinned Pharoes were the ones who came from Nubia/Kush to the south.
There are many ancient illustrations of the ancient Egyptian peoples and they are not black skinned that's for certain. They look the same as they do today, I would even wager that there is more black African genetic admixture today than there ever was in history.
There's also no linkage between the coptic and ancient Egyptian languages and any sub Saharan African language.
There are many language isolates around the world. That doesn't mean they don't have continuum between their neighbors, it just means the links are missing with no record.
Semitic language is considered an afro asiatic language.
Egypt as a culture did. It face African it faced the Mediterranean following the Nile. They had extensive contact and overlordship over the Levant and Syria.
I'm sorry to say it, but egyptian/ethiopian/kushite history is more a piece of near-eastern history and not of sub Sahara African history.
The events of Egypt and kush had basically no bearing on things going on the other side of that massive continent.
In Ethiopia they speak several Semitic languages haha. Those who don't are known to have moved into the area in the last few hundred years.
East and west Africa are basically two different continents all together.
Are you a racist? Does it matter what color their skin was? Kush was a land of dark skinned african people who heavily influences the Egyptians to the north and had a contemporary society that was more or less just as advanced as Egypts and they in fact conquered Egypt and there were black skinned pharoes at one point but that's just the fact, there were black skinned pharoes, at one point.
@TRUTHTEACHER2007 east African and Middle Eastern and Egyptian culture have never been much different from one another that's one big culture zone and it doesn't matter what skin color people are.
Over history people never really cared about skin color. The concept of race and giving a fuck about race is a newer concept of the last few hundred years.
Historically it was localized community allegiance and language which defined people and the rulers and neighbors could give a fuck what color one was.
@@ForageGardener the only black skinned Pharoes were the ones who came from Nubia/Kush to the south.
*Well, I don't know what you mean by black skinned since biological humans don't have black skin unless they've been in a really bad fire. Humans have brown skins and people in or near the tropics have brown skins in different shades because it is an adaptation to protect the body from UV radiation. Now, are there Egyptians who have dark brown skins? Yes, there are. Are there Egyptians who have the same skin tones as other tropical Africans? Yes, there are. The video you're commenting under just showed that. So then, would this have been the same in antiquity? Yes. Was there as rigid a boundary between Nubians and Egyptians as we've been led to believe? No. From the very beginning they were very much intertwined at all levels of society. The correct question therefore, would be: Was there ever a time when the rulers of Nubia controlled Egypt? The answer to that is the 25th Dynasty. But to imply that there were no dark skinned rulers in Egypt when large segments of the population IS dark skinned is a ridiculous uniformed statement to make.*
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There are many ancient illustrations of the ancient Egyptian peoples and they are not black skinned that's for certain.
*That's because human beings aren't actually black skinned. You can't be living and have black skin. But did they have dark brown skin tones the same shade as other Africans to the south? Yes. And you can still see that to this day*
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They look the same as they do today, I would even wager that there is more black African genetic admixture today than there ever was in history.
*There's no such thing as genes with colors. The only thing the genes tell you are the geographic locations where a person's ancestors originated. But a person can have any skin tone and have a paternal or maternal haplogroup that points to Africa or Europe. For example, R1B is the major male linage gene in Europe. However, in Cameroon there are people who have the exact same gene as high as 90% of all the males. The reason is because that branch of R1b, R-V88, originated in Mesopotamia, but one branch migrated into Europe and the other into Africa. My cousin is 90% European. She looks like a typical Scandinavian, but her MTDNA points back to Central Africa. We have the same great grand mother. DNA doesn't tell you what you think. Now what I can tell you is the Egyptians today have more West African ancestry due to the advent of Islam during the Middle ages that facilitated contact between the two regions. But Ancient Egyptians belong to a Y DNA branch that is native to North Eastern Africa, so they were and are just as African as a Nigerian. Africa is a continent made up of multiple ethnic groups, not just one. These are some more Upper Egyptians, but had you actually watched the video instead of just flapping your lips, you'd know this.
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There's also no linkage between the coptic and ancient Egyptian languages and any sub Saharan African language.
*The Coptic language belongs to the Afro Asiatic language group. The only branch of this language family that located outside of Africa is the semitic branch. And there are more semitic languages in the Horn of Africa than there are in the Middle East. Housa is an AfroAsiatic language and is spoken in Norther Nigeria. I'll leave it up to you to look on a map and see where that is.*
There are many language isolates around the world. That doesn't mean they don't have continuum between their neighbors, it just means the links are missing with no record.
*Coptic is an AfroAsiatic language and it's restricted to Africa. It has no parent language in Asia.*
Semitic language is considered an afro asiatic language.
*No shit Sherlock. But I just told you that. Now, can you tell me which finger I'm holding up?*
Egypt as a culture did. It face African it faced the Mediterranean following the Nile. They had extensive contact and overlordship over the Levant and Syria.
*Yes...... And from it's earlier times it also had a great deal of interaction with the regions up river in what is now called Sudan. Egypt was never cut off from it's fellow African neighbors to the south. They could reach Wawat, Kush, Ta-Seti by foot and they traded regularly with Punt. Egypt was never isolated from any of it's neighbors.*
I'm sorry to say it, but egyptian/ethiopian/kushite history is more a piece of near-eastern history and not of sub Sahara African history.
*That would be because Sub-Saharan is a geographic term meaning, BELOW THE SAHARA. Egypt and Sudan are located IN the Sahara. Ethiopia is below it though. So Egyptian, Sudanese, Ethiopian history are all part of AFRICAN history. It's not West African history because..... they're not located in West Africa. As for Near Eastern history. What the hell does Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia have to do with Turkey? These are African countries. Africa is a continent of many DIFFERENT cultures. There is no such thing as one culture that's shared by all Africans. Even below the Sahara, Yoruba culture from Nigeria is completely different from Mende culture in Mali. Igbo culture is completely different than Tutsi culture and all of them are completely different from Zulu culture, sooo...... I don't know what you're trying to say.... It makes no sense.*
The events of Egypt and kush had basically no bearing on things going on the other side of that massive continent.
In Ethiopia they speak several Semitic languages haha.
*I already told you there are more semitic languages in East Africa, HA!*
Those who don't are known to have moved into the area in the last few hundred years.
*That's a bold faced lie. But what more can I expect from such ignorance?*
East and west Africa are basically two different continents all together.
*Wow. you just said that. I guess I know who failed basic geography. Once again, Africa is a continent of MANY, DIFFERENT CULTURES. THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME! In West Africa, the Yorubas are different from the Twi, the Twi are different from the Bobie, they are different from the Dog, the Dog are different than the Bamileke, the Bamileke are different from the Bambara, the Bambara are different from the Fulani. Educate yourself please.*
Are you a racist? Does it matter what color their skin was? Kush was a land of dark skinned african people who heavily influences the Egyptians to the north and had a contemporary society that was more or less just as advanced as Egypts and they in fact conquered Egypt and there were black skinned pharoes at one point but that's just the fact, there were black skinned pharoes, at one point.
*I don't know why you chose me of all people to speak your shit to. Do you even know who I am? Have you even checked out the content of my channel? Did you even watch this video you're commenting under? You sound really dumb accusing people you don't know anything about of racism and all kinds of shit. Now you have here an Egyptian who made a video addressing all this race confusion business and he did a very good job. Why don't you watch the damn thing and stop talking out the crack of your ass. And when you're done, go do some research on African CULTURES and HISTORIES so you don't make yourself look like a damn fool in public!*🎤
Hey bro, just came across your videos. Pretty educational. I noticed your Greek tattoo and your Coptic cross tattoo, so my assumption is that you are a Coptic Christian. It's my understanding that there are Coptic Catholics, being in communion with the Pope and Magisterium, and the Coptic Orthodox. I would love to see an educational video on your Coptic Christian faith. It's my understanding that the Coptic cross is tattooed on very devout Coptic Christians willing to die for the faith.
Hey! Yeah my TikTok account actually has a lot of videos in Coptic identity if your curious. As to there being “Coptic Catholics” that’s a bit confusing of a term but yes they exist (kinda).
In Egypt not all Christian’s are Coptic and follow the ancient traditions, some are Protestant and and some are catholic. As to someone being ‘Coptic catholic’ you could technically call catholic egyptians ‘Coptic catholic’ because linguistically all Coptic really means is Egyptian. Some Muslims (tho this is contentious for some) identify as Coptic Muslim. As far Christian’s who are in communion with both the coptic and catholic pope - I haven’t personally seen that but I am by no means an expert and if it existed I wouldn’t be surprised.
Me personally as an ethnically Coptic person am cool with other Egyptians identifying as Coptic BUT being Coptic Christian is a specific tradition that many of our family and elders fought to maintain. The ancient Egyptian language is maintained today because our monks and Coptic leaders worked hard to maintain it so I just ask people respect that and Coptic identity.
Okay my dissertation is over. Hoped this helped! (I probs won’t make a video rn cause I’m in a bit of an Egypt hiatus cuz I don’t wanna be “that Egyptian guy”)
I enjoyed your video, though I disagree with you on how much we share with Africa. In the last 2000 years, we were invaded by the Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the crossaders, the Tatars (Russian-Mongol tribes), the Ottomans, the French & English. It seems we had contact with people from Europe and Asia more than we had with Africans. Except perhaps for Ethiopia and Sudan. But the influence is mostly from north to south, hence is the Coptic church in Ethiopia and north Sudan adopting Arabic and Islam. Having said that, I realize that we are located in Africa and our existance depends on cooperation with African countries, especially countries of the Nile.
But here's the thing, as he pointed out, there is no universal African culture or identity. It's always been a mosaic of different societies and cultures. Egypt's historical evolution is part of the collective African story and is just as valid African as any other. Would we say that Swahili culture is any less African because of the contacts with the Arabs and Persians? It's all part of the bigger story of Africa. So yes, Egypt in later times had more contact with the outside World because of colonialism, but there are connections with other African cultures if you know where to look and what you're looking at. I'll give you some examples.
Egypt is World famous for Belly dancing, or to be culturally correct, Raks baladi, (I'm deliberately ignoring Raks Sharki and focusing of the traditions of the everyday people that the stage version we know in the media is based on). If you look at it analytically, there are Asiatic elements in the arms and hands used as a decorative frame to the body. But the root elements are in the way the body itself is used in that it focuses in articulating the hips, abdominal area, shoulders rather than a strong emphasis on the legs and feet like most dances in the World. The twisting, turning, circling, shaking and wiggling consistent with the way the body is used in most areas of Africa. Each area has their own flavor and Egyptian Baladi has it's unique flavor, but it is not a European, or Asian way of moving the body. Levantines have their own style of Baladi, but Egypt doesn't have a tradition of Debke. That shows who influenced whom.
Zaghrouta. This is an expression of joy using the tongue to make a high pitched vibration sound. It is a tradition found all over the African continent.
Circumcision of both sexes is practiced in all of East Africa as far as Kenya and as far West as Nigeria.
Zar ceremonies. This is found from Egypt all the way down to the Swahili coast.
These are just a few examples that ties Egypt firmly to the African continent culturally.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 the ancient Egyptians were somalis from the land of punt current day somali
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 thank you!!!! Yet those people can’t even be labeled Egyptian even if they speak the language and follow the customs. Absolutely nonsense.
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276if we look at the art, I would say probably the people of East Africa were the originals. Like Sudanese, Somali, Ethiopia
So are you a descendant of invaders or a descendant of ancient Egyptians?
@metta thank you for making this video bro everything that you just said is facts bro I’m Coptic Egyptian like you and my family are from Saidi as well Egyptian are both African and Middle Eastern and we are a diverse people
Except middle easterners are foreigners to African lands.
I am an Egyptian Muslim and I say that there is no need for us to prefer to be Arabs and evade our truth. We are teams and Arabs. We can be both. Greetings for your great effort in responding to these claims. ❤
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Now do one yelling at people about the ethnicity/race of Jesus 😎
Thanks for the video. I only have 2 left of yours to watch, so I'll be waiting. You're great
needed this perspective after taking a pan-african studies class that exposed me to a lot of different opinions (some definitely wrong) about race in ancient Egypt. thanks for giving Diop his props while still maintaining your critiques!
I really like your videos and your outlook on controversial topics. Keep it up man!! An outro would be nice at times. Haha Sometimes when I'm listening to your videos while doing something else It ends and the next video starts and I think it's a commercial or something.
African =/= black
Black =/= African
Why are we still talking about the amount of melanin in peoples skin?
It's kemet
You'll be amazed at how many delusional wrong af Afrocentrics claim that ancient China, Japan, Aztecs and Mayan civilizations were started by black Africans.🙄
Very informative to hear about how messed the Ptolemaic era was because I feel it gets glamorized a lot (because of Cleopatra, Library of Alexandria etc)
Some africans still wear the collar beads the ancient egyptians wore. I dont see any other race wearing collar beads.
Ever since I started dating an Egyptian woman and by chance visited Egypt last Marts, i've been very much into this subject and I have to say, this is by far the best video on the topic I have seen so far.
I love your videos. Here comes the “however “ mixing color terms such as white, black and brown tend to confuse the issue. The hard to define word “race” mixed with ethnicity and coupled to geography is hard enough.
I wish we call all just use one term from the start and stick to it.
I do think that while everyone is very mixed today there was a time when there was one people- the old kingdom people didn’t ‘ mix much with Kush- if we could find a gene strain that went back that far he would, likely, look like a copt
Egyptians and Nubians have been interacting with each other since before the unification of the two lands. As for Copts, they range in color from very dark to very light. They're not a race. In fact, there are no genes that can tell you what race a person is. That's not how DNA works. We have a living population in Egypt and they're diverse. Depending on what your definition for blackness is, there's a lot of Egyptians past and resent who fit the bill. Put it to you this way, they'd have been unacceptable in mainstream American society 60 or 70yrs ago, especially in the South.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 my friend Italians would have been just as unacceptable 70 years ago in the south. We need a better descriptor than color-
@@dhunsi1340 Depends on the Italian. Let's put it this way, were Italians made to drink from a different water fountain or ride the back of the busses?
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 a us court held that in a case of forbidden intermarriage a black could not be convicted because his italian wife could not be legally defined as white.
@@dhunsi1340 What was the year?
This was really good and informative. It seems like a lot of these Afro-centric and Anti-Afro-centric arguments can really just be traced back to the Anti-Black racism which has led to some Black people haphazardly claiming inheritance to Egypt and North Africans/Egyptians segmenting themselves away from "Blackness"
Any anti black racism is directed AGAINST ALL PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT NOT JUST CERTAIN ONES.
agree with you
No, that's not the case. Black people aren't trying to escape their "Blackness." However, I do agree that Black people's wanting to be connected to Egypt has to do with anti-Black racism in the sense that Black people across the globe, specifically African-Americans, were told they have no history nor did their ancestors make any contributions to the world. On American television, every great civilization is depicted with white people no matter the nation. Never was Egypt shown as being in anyway, melanated. The only parts of Africa shown on our TVs were those poor and suffering from malnutrition, living in broken down huts and surrounded by nothing but dirt.
Now we see we were only shown and told about the poorest parts of Africa, even though Africa is so much more and very beautiful.
When Black Americans take pride in Egypt, it's because Egypt is part of the African continent. It is no more different than white-Americans taking pride in ancient Greece, Italy, Spain, England, etc. And when we refer to North Africans and Mediterraneans as "Black," it is because, like Black Americans, they represent every brown hue of melanin ... not because Black people want to steal their culture. It's more of wanting the world to stop capping on Africa's contributions to the world in an effort to make Black people seem inferior or lacking. It's time to kill that white supremacy dialog once and for all.
Thanks for this. It was the funniest and most entertaining take on this question that i've seen. But it also casts a lot of light on all of the nuances. Well done.
This is really informative and educated me on a topic that I really knew nothing about. NGL, you’re also really nice to look at.
Thank you so much for making this! It’s been so frustrating watching all the misinformation and rage-bait being spewed out. Please make more videos. I hope some people, both Egyptians and not, watch this and engage in a more culturally-competent and informed dialogue.
Okay Metta, thank you for this video you awesome African man you! You clarified the whole argument perfectly!! Thank you. Good show mate
Most black Americans originate in ancestry from the West coast of the African continent, so it would be much more interesting to see more depictions of West-African civilizations of the past, and I've definitely heard of a few (yet not enough to be authoritative on them). All the stories that could be explored that way would be an amazing addition to our collective consciousness, to show that not only Northern Africa has a rich history.
Ancient Egypt was an open society the first of the world - Before Romans and the Americans - It was all Africans.
@@clifforddurbin5168 the fact that it was an open, multi-ethnic society located at the Mediterranean sea, means it can't have been all Africans, just like Rome wasn't all Europeans. But yeah I'd assume a decent majority of the population originated from the continent. But I don't see your point, what does that have to do with black Americans identifying with ancient Egypt.
@@KarlSnarks Research it for yourself - Ancient Egyptian civilization started in the South and spread to the North - You can call Afrocentrist crazy but the more you look into the more they seem right. I’m talking about old Egypt not 2/3 or even 4 thousand years ago.
@@KarlSnarksthe problem is you believe that the Mediterranean was first populated by people that you see today...which scientifically makes no sense
That's what AA's are told, that they are west African. So many lies have been told. I do not trust DNA testing.
I remember looking up images of ancient Egyptians in college (I'm 56). The images that came up were unambiguous black people.
Truth will and shall come out and must be acknowledged.
Once upon a time, earth (and the cosmos) was only black. It shall go back to that according to prophecy.
Everything that's not unambiguous black is a mixture of The Beast and black. Error, i.e. "The Fall".
Deal.
the cut clip of u saying “damn i gotta pick another ppl” killed me 😭
it's kinda wierd to try and divide north and subsaharan africa into two totally different things, they have always shared and exchanged culture, religion, language and many other things.
Lol it’s not “weird”. It’s not based on your feelings, it’s just factual. To deny racist Nazi culture vultures. Just cause they shared things doesn’t mean they weren’t distinct. Indians, Syrians & the Chinese are all Asian, does that mean they’re all the same or one is the origin of the other?
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And one more thing: The Greeks of today, same as the Egyptians, same as even the Germans, Italians, same as the different people of Europe or Africa still identify with their local region. For instance, the Greeks still classify themsleves as Doric, Ionian, Macedonian, it goes on. In the present day it takes on a form of the political (the modern plague of humanity as a Whole) not just left or right but specific political parties. But come against them and they unite. The Greek motto since antiquity has always been FREEDOM OR DEATH all the way up to the 19th century and indeed the 20th century with the 2 world wars (and come to think of it, Cleopatra VII Philopater was a true Greek just for that, alone). The Italians are north and south Italians. The Germans are Bavarians, Saxons, Thuringians, etc. The Basques of Spain still want to secede from Spain. The Welsh of England still carry their mother tongue and culture. The Irish, the world knows about the Irish and "Sunday bloody Sunday". And none of these identify as a unified EUROPEAN RACE, not even today in the European Union. The Indians in India (dots not feathers, smile ☺) created cast systems, for crying out loud! And don't tell the Chinese they have anything to do with Japanese, please, it pains them. This is the world as it always has been. In Africa as a whole there are so many wonderful and different cultures and they all have their own distinct identity. Literally there are 54 different countries and 3000 different tribes and 2000 different languages. WOW! The Egyptians are no different.
For Italy it's much more complex than the North-South division. It's more like each region (there are 20) has its own unique culture and within each region there are quite a few differences from city to city. Sardinians are even genetically different from mainland Italians.
@@marty8895 thank you Marty. I'll take it one step further: I am from an island in the Aegean. In that Island (mentioned in the Odyssey by Homer and other references by Herodotus) where the permanent inhabitants are less than 5000 all year round (it gets higher when the diaspora come back for summer from wherever they reside to earn a living). Even there the north and south of the islanders (having the same culture and language / regional dialect and ancient customs whether carried on through the church or otherwise) still consider themsleves as having differences. This is humanity. This can be found in the USA as well. We are all human. We don't differ very much in our perspectives of us and them. And it's not only skin color. And it can be called self preservation. It is self preservation. In the Greek case (and as also stated in this video for the COPTIC ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS) in certain parts of our history it was vital for us to separate so that we survived as who we were and not become something else no matter the subjugation. It is what it is. It is why we are still who we were and can say we still are. I'm sure, even though I haven't looked into it, that even in Sardinian cultural society you can find these nuances. It is how traditional societies are.
And people in modern day turkey, West Anatolia (Greek name BTW) have a significant amount of Greek dna and also dna from other parts of the Balkans. You can find the DNA reveals right here on UA-cam. It is part of their history and dna.
ALL people come from Africa but we must look back millions of years not thousands, this does not mean that the Ancient Egyptians were or are black Africans. Egyptians have had their current identity for thousands of years so if we are going to talk about race we have existed a hell of a long time as the people we are.
There's no proof of that. That's just a story they tell.
Bruh what kind of nonsense is this? Egypt today does not have the same identity or genetics as ancient Egypt. I mean do you think ancient Egyptians were Islamic, and that the women were heavily covered? Ancient Egypt was also largely egalitarian. Now you seem to be under the very false presumption that Egyptian genetics have been consistent for over 3,000 years, that’s some bullshit. Several empires and migrations have greatly contributed to modern Egypt’s average genetic makeup.
To name a few the Greeks, Romans, and most recently the Arabs and Ottomans. This is common knowledge btw.
BULSHT EVERYBODY DID NOT COME OUT OF AFRICA 😮
@@marcossealey8612 it’s likely that the Homosapien portion of our DNA did come directly from Africa. However, we probably met archaic humans that had migrated out of Africa before Homo sapiens, and combined our DNA with them.
@@marcossealey8612💯
found your channel recently and love it. def bingeing ur videos love the content
As a Greek, I have to say this because my people were subjugated for 400 years and stolen artifacts are now located everywhere but Greece and everyone else in this world is Greek except for the Greeks. The German and "you know who" thought he was Greek and the English think they are Greek and the founding fathers of the USA thought they were Greek. My great grandfather buried alive in a coal mine in Philadelphia (Greek name for brotherly love BTW, Pennsylvania) was called all sorts of racial slurs (along with the Italians and Irish). One hundred years later my family (all Greek from the same village, same village because my we are very closed traditional society), became white. I travel everywhere in the west and I see my people's culture and architecture and form of government and portrayals in movies and yet I am looked down upon because of my country's presents finances, supposedly (it's about so much more). I look to the East and see my culture everywhere, in the food, in the music, in the dances, in the ceremonies but I am considered the devil because I don't practice the same religion. I get the Bible quoted at me in every language, including Greek (as it was written) but because I am Orthodox Greek Christian, I'm somehow a heretic (even though that's how Christianity started and is continues until this day unchanged for Orthodox Christianity). The Irish kids in my neighborhood in BKLYN NY, called us "Grease Balls" and threw rocks at us coming back from church with the holy light after Saturday midnight mass on Easter (we say Pascha). Greek people weren't of African descent or black. And they aren't Nordic either. They are Mediterranean. The Mediterraneans literally exist. There are kinky haired Greeks, and blond haired blue eyed Greeks and olive skin toned Greeks and Greeks that turn red in the sun and Greeks that get really dark in the sun, and Greeks with small noses and Greeks with Cleopatra's big nose, etc. There was no black Athena and neither the Pelasgians nor the Minoans were black.GREEKS ARE GREEKS. AND CLEOPATRA was an inbred Greek because she was Pharaoh, if she was illegitimate she would not be Pharaoh (that's the way it went in Egypt that's the way it went in Royal families all over the world right up to the royal families of today all over the world). And history was well documented by the Greeks themselves. This is important to Greek people. There are many who have tried to erase us and separate us from our history and our heritage. It's nothing new under the sun, but it's hurtful. Guess what my parents did after 100 years living in the US? Moved us back to Greece. And it was hard not speaking the language as a young adult. I write all of this to give some comprehension as to what it feels like to be Greek. Greek people won't talk about this openly, not even in their family circle. They just keep going. But it's still hurtful. We are still here. WE STILL EXIST.
Why didn’t you touch on how the Greeks persecuted the Egyptians ?
@@Halalbeautie they were NOT saints. They, and all of humanity, were literally Pagan back then. Pagans were not Saints. HOWEVER, the Ptolemies were called Soters (Σωτηρ), meaning saviors from the previous Persian invaders. And I'm not bashing the people of Persia (ΠΕΡΣΙΑ, in Greece we still call them Persians). They share many common traditions in music for instance and food with the Greeks. Alexander literally married Roxana, regardless of what happened in ancient history or afterwards. The Coptic Orthodox Christians are the Orthodox Christians similar to the Greek Orthodox Christians.
@@Halalbeautie one more thing, the libraries in Alexandria Egypt, one built by Cleopatra VII Philopater, actually fostered the translation of the monotheistic texts. And the ROSETA STONE then helped in the translation of the Egyptian texts.
I feel this so much. There’s no such thing as Black and White and placing us in those categories has done nothing but allowed others to appropriate and profit from our histories. Stop separating Greeks from Greece. Stop separating Egypt from Egyptians.
@@mirbear72 thank you.
I'm Muslim Egyptian I 100% agree with everything you said
Alright. As a black man born in Alabama in 1960 who grew up in Ohio, you solved the race problem for me. I now have an intellectual counterpoint to my Afrocentric racist friends next time one goes off about how we blacks built the pyramids and owned Africa before colonization -LOL. That probably wasn't your intention when making this video, and I can't put all my feelings in this short text. Confession: I binge-watched your videos for the past 2 hours and will definitely subscribe to your Patreon. Great, well-researched content and excellent insight (PhD not necessary and irrelevant in your case, bro). Keep up the good work.👍🏾
You're not black 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who "owned" Africa before colonisation, then?
Its 1qm and im binging your content. I appreciate that you give us credit for being able to think for ourselves, but then you fill it in in case we dont want to. 😂❤❤
Colin Kaperknick is half Italian half African. He is half Mediterranean to be more precise. His birth mom (to use modern day Terminology) is of Italian descent.
Italians are white
@@ogun9645 yes they are and they are Italians. Mediterraneans were and are white, for sure, so were and are the Greeks, but not Nordic (and this is how the Nordic explained it back then in antiquity).
@@miastupid7911 there was once a time when only western Europeans and Northern Europeans were considered white.
@@ogun9645 and BTW, Colin Kaperknick married an Egyptian woman, Nessa Diab.
@@ogun9645 Per the US Immigration Act and Eugenics movement, only Northern Europeans are considered "white"; while Southern, Eastern and Western were considered mixed mutts and were ostracized. You forced them to claim whiteness after finding antiquities in these parts of Europe, but nothing in the North.
I strongly believe your version of events and I think the same can be said about the Carthage discussion being had as well, North Africa was also most likely highly mixed.
This man eats his own tail, he refers to the Coptics as natives, then he says herodotus didn't see the original Egyptians because they had already been conquered by several different people, was arguing that Arabs made very little change to the native gene pool in Egypt!
Huh….. go back and rewatched you flipped it.
I literally say Herodotus DID see the natives. My entire point is that conquering does not equate to population displacement and he is evidence of that.
And maybe I’m confused on your Arab point but Arabs weren’t even a thing yet in his time.
@@Mettabeshay 11:23 you say its not a good example because there were conquered by many people, 4:40 so you saying the that your country was more mixed in 500bc then then 650 ad?
@@Mettabeshay no hate i do like your video
Their are many African countries where Arabs made little change dna wise only culturally were they making changes
As a Sudanese this is so interesting to watch (sending love to my egyptian cousins)
I've just watched almost all of your videos, I appreciate your style and how thorough and direct you are. Sorry if this is a sensitive / ignorant question, but at 17:05 you mentioned not being able to show a photo of your aunt for "cultural reasons." Could you elaborate on this? I'm just a curious white lady with little background knowledge on Egyptian culture. Thank you for your work!
Good video, my only ONLY disagreement would be that Egyptians IS rather African history but not black history.
Considering not all black people are from Africa for example, native Australians “Aboriginals” are black but they aren’t African and many Caribbeans nation are also black but that doesn’t mean they are Africans is absolutely an African native but as you said we are diverse in look it’s just rather an African history.
If you think about it If and African black dude tried to claim an Aboriginal culture just because they are black it would be offensive and vise versa.
My conclusion is Africa =/= Black and Black =/= Africa.
Africa should definitely celebrate Egyptian as African culture but not a black culture because they are a lot also beautiful black culture that is outside Africa.
A Coptic viewer.
There's no such thing as black or white history, black and white are social terms and only exist to divide on a superficial basis, anyone can arbitrarily assign such terms to whomever they want and make whatever claim they want, for example I could argue since the ancient Greeks and Romans were distinct population from western and northern Europeans and looked different on average the ancient Greek and Roman a were not white and therefore don't count as “white” history.
@@corydetukas3307 yeah, I do speak in general terms
Please consider you are getting your information from Metta who is a self described "flaming leftie" who is only half Egyptian and actually grew up in the USA
@@markwinner274 ok?
@@markwinner274 So that means his father and uncles only half exist? What do his politics have to do with the historical and cultural realities that he's sharing? Can you illustrate the things he's getting wrong?
As a black american, "She probably looked like me." warmed my heart. Thank you, sir.
In his book Physiognomonica Aristotle described the ancient Egyptians as being "very Black".CASE CLOSED!😎
Ah yes, quoting a famous child molester and pervert
If you look at all the Egyptian representations of Egyptian people over those thousands of years, it's very, very obvious that Egyptians included people of all skin colors. Why would you believe one Greek writer is right, but thousands of Egyptian artists are wrong?
@@nycbearff FYi There are at least 11 other ancient Greek scribes who made the same observation as Aristotle about the physical appearance of the Egyptians.This group includes such notables as Homer,Plato, Herodotus,Diodorus Siculus and also a host of Romans.In the 5th Century B.C. in his voluminous work entitled "History Book 2" Herodotus described the ancient Egyptians as being 'Blackskinned and woolly-haired". Herodotus also noted that the people who inhabited Israel and Arabia were "Ethiopians"i.e.BLACK! As late as the 4th Century A.D. when Classical Egyptian Civilization had long since been dead,buried and deposited upon the Ash Heap of History the Roman soldier and historian Ammianus Marcellinas writes that "The men of Egypt are mostly brown and black with a skinny dessicated look".Hence the evidence extolling the BLACKNESS of the ancient Egyptians is UBIQUITOUS! All you're doing is regurgitating the rudderless ramblings of racist Egyptologists aka white supremacists aka SUPREME IDIOTS! G'DAY!
God Bless the Coptic Church! The constant persecution which often gets subsumed by other socio-pol issues is heartbreaking.
Praying for an end to the persecution!
+PAX+
Why are people still arguing our looks when faiyum portraits exist. Majority looking mediterranean/middle eastern while some being considered black. We are not apart of any other culture but our own.
Because those portraits are from after the Greek invasion and those people in the pictures were either Greek or mixed race....stop being lazy and actually do research
@@Ace-sb4il the portraits aren't greek or roman because within their culture tgey burned their dead.
@@bigsalamimommy9346 they weren't ancient Egyptians either because the period those portraits come from is after the Greeks invaded and the DNA of the people in the caskets had Greek admixture....I'm sorry Timmy but the Faiyum portraits aren't of the dynastic Egyptians and that has been proven.
@@Ace-sb4il yet their supposed partial ancestry has been proven? Especially since Greeks were against mixing and if they were they were probably higher class, who burned their dead.
@@bigsalamimommy9346 you're just saying a bunch of stuff you think sounds cool ..how were the Greeks against mixing when Alexander the great pretty much made all of his generals which he made governor's in his newly conquered lands, take wives from those same countries...that's why it's thought that Cleopatra had at least some African ancestry because her great great grand father would've had to take an Egyptian wife....lol stop embarrassing yourself please. And a simple Google search disproves your little cremation claim.
lmfao i was just about to comment about how many time you're bringing up the khoisan but you beat me to it
@15:26 I’m sorry but hard disagree. Walk around the Cairo museum and you’ll see a million depictions his exact same color and lighter
5:40 Egyptian muslim guy here. Actually, Egypt was still a Christian majority country until the mamluks were defeated by the ottomans in the 16th century.
Ottomans had a policy of islamization.
Good talk. One thing I would say re: Herodotus' description of Egyptians -- he was describing them in comparison to his own ethnic group, the Greeks, who were (and are) lighter skinned and less "kinky-haired." It is stretching his observations to assume that they imply that Egyptians were black in the modern-day Afro-centric sense of the term .
Omg your one of those guys🤦🏽♂️
Just because someone is darker than you you would not describe them as black you describe them as black because that is the color you compare them to because that is the closest color to them
@@zur2016 Not necessarily -- color can be used in a figurative or relative sense too. For example, even in modern Greek, the term for getting tanned (i.e. suntanned) is "blackening." There is no derogatory sense in the term, and of course it doesn't mean suntanned people are literally turning black -- it just means that their skin color has darkened through tanning. Are East Asians really "yellow" or Native Americans really "red"? Are all people we now label as black really black in skin color? No. So, my point was that we have to take many such descriptions with a grain of salt, and certainly not take Herodotus' description of Egyptians as implying they were black by our modern day racialized definition of the term.
@@galanis38 everything you say is irrelevant and does not matter because for the simple fact they have never been black and the term the Greeks used did not mean black The terms the Greeks use meant dark and black is not the same thing so you are just unknowledgeable and do not know what you were talking about
So everything I said is still correct Black is not It has never been a good proper or correct analogy to call those people
And what what Herodotus Said about the Egyptians were correct The Greeks in Herodotus time period Even Drew pictures of Egyptians and they were very dark so what he said was correct people just wants to pick and choose what Herodotus said is true or not true
Perhaps some of us are unaware that so-called white people are literally incapable of telling the truth. They are literally demonic savages pretending to be human according to science and their own history. They have never built a civilization or invented a culture. How could Kmt be mixed five thousand years ago when nonBlack people have only been on the planet for six to ten thousand years? Stop lying.
Thanks for your thought-producing presentation. The critics here seem stimulated by your views.
No where does Herodotus describe ancient Egyptians as "black" he, in fact, compares them to the Colchians, a people who inhabited Georgia in the Caucasus, not burnt faced Ethiopians. "For it is plain to see that the Colchians are Egyptians...I myself guessed it partly because they are dark-skinned and curly haired though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are too."
Had Herodotus wanted to designate the Colchians as "blacks" (and by extension, designate Egyptians as "blacks"), he would have named the Colchians by the standard Greek term Aithiops "scorched faces" , i.e.:
"Ethiopians". Not only did he not name the Colchians as "Aithiops, in the same sentence he once again distinguished between Egyptians and Ethiopians.
Where did Herodotus say Ethiopians lived? "The Ethiopians who border upon Egypt" (Herodotus, 3.97)
"The country above Elephantine now begins to be inhabited by Ethiopians..." (Herodotus, 2.29.4)
"You take the boat again and so travel for twelve days until you come to a great city called Meroe, which is said to be the capital of all Ethiopia." (Herodotus, 2.29.6)
"Ethiopians say that their gods are snub-nosed and black" (Xenophanes of Colophon, fragment
16)
Ethiopians "skin is black and blacker than that of others" (Aristotle, Problemata 66:898b)
I have many many more, but you will scoff and deny. Ancient Greeks and Romans made clear contrast between Egyptians and Ethiopians.
Likewise, the contrast between Egyptian and Nubian is quite obvious in their artwork. Afrocentrics never take these hard tangible facts into account, or their mummies.
So explain
Userkaf of the 5th dynasty
Userkare Khendjer of the 13th dynasty
and
Tantamani of the 25th dynasty
They’re are a brown skinned people of Afro asiatic descent. They are related to Ethiopian Eritreans and Somalis. Even the Bible says that. Get in the bin with your anti Africnsness
The Ethiopians are Sudan it means land in the south referring to south of Egypt. Are you from Egypt? If so which ethnic group are your from?
Are colchians black with wooly hair?
@@backatit4757they were according to Herodotus
Herodotus used the word μελαχρινός, which comes from 'μέλας', meaning black, and 'κουρά', meaning 'hair': it means black-haired. It doesn't refer to skin colour and the Greeks often used the term to refer to themselves.
I believe Lower Egypt has always been different from Upper Egypt. If you read about Narmer/Menes' conquest of Lower Egypt it comes off more like a foreign nation being subdued rather than a "unification" of two similar peoples. We don't even know 100% if later Egyptians call "Lower Egypt" is what the Lower Egyptians of Pre-Dynastic Egypt called the land because they become "Egyptianized". Or if Lower Egypt was a unified Kingdom like Upper Egypt was. Lower Egypt may have been a patchwork of Petty Kingdoms and states like Upper Egypt was prior to it's formation.
In the time preceding Dynasty 1 all the action was taking place in the South around the city-states of Thinis, Abydos, Naqada, and Hierakonpolis. Many thought the figure known as the "Scorpion King" and Narmer/Menes were all the same person, but now we are beginning to suspect the Scorpion King(His name was literally "Scorpion") wasn't Narmer, or a nickname for Narmer, but rather was the first man to unite Upper Egypt and become the first king of that Kingdom. Narmer was likely his descendant who is the famous one from Egyptian literature that United Upper and Lower Egypt.
But there does seem to have been a sort of rivalry between the "Two Lands" throughout Egypts long history, and I guess it persists today. Many ancient writers do credit the Ethiopians and Nubians as the founders of Egypt, Diodorus Siculus wrote “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris”. Upper Egypt does seem to have been populated from the South, whereas Lower Egypt seems to have been populated from the North East according to ancient genetic study. Upper Egypts Culture is just the one that won out, and we will just never know what Lower Egypt would have looked like if left separate from Upper Egypt.
excellent vid. as a major history geek who's obsessed with human evolution i have always believed that the ancient egyptians were precisely the same racially and genetically as they are now. a mix of "arab" and "negroid" as you find all throughout north africa even today.
i'm totally convinced if you got in a time machine and went back to one of the periods of ancient egypt aside from modern clothing the population would look exactly the same as they do now.
What in the eugenics kind of term is "negroid"
I think that you did a really good job of addressing the question of the racial identity of the ancient Egyptians. However, you are wrong about the Old Kingdom not being necessarily "black." I will concede that Afrocentrists often over emphasize the impact that the 7th century Arab invasion had on the modern Egyptian population. The fact is that not only the Old Kingdom was black, the Badarian culture that preceded it and other various Nile Valley cultures were what we would today call "black." They were "black" in terms of phenotype. The statue of Narmer or Menes that you showed literally looks like Mike Tyson with a broad nose. The Nile Valley was the earliest population hearth in the African continent and served as a major corridor of the movement of peoples that we would today recognize as "black" from the south to places in the north like the Nile delta, Sinai, the Levant, and Mesopotamia. I will also acknowledge that race mixing went on in the Nile valley as early as befor 3100 BCE, when mixed peoples from the Asiatic Levant and Mesopotamia settled in the delta region. Darker skinned peoples from what became Thebes, Aswan, and Abydos mingled with the Asiatic populations of the delta, especially after the unification around 3100 BCE by Menes/Narmer. Modern population does descend from the ancient population, but they are much more diverse in phenotype than the ancient population. This diversity came from the invasion of the Hyksos, Hittites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and lastly, the Arabs, all Eurasian populations, while the migrations from farther south in African slowed to almost nothing. This explains the great variation. We Afrocentrists and Black Nationalists just want to set the record straight when it comes to classical civilization. The rest of humanity claims that we had no contributions at all! What we are doing is not stealing, but are simply putting blacks as collective, it their proper place in he onward procession of human progress.
Are you trying to tell a real Egyptian their history?
'he statue of Narmer or Menes that you showed literally looks like Mike Tyson with a broad nose.' - I bet there are many non Black Egyptians who look that way also. Phneotype of North Africans is ambigous and we should be carful to label them. It's the same with Olmecs who appears to be Black or Asian on some statues - yet they aren't any of those things.
This is excellent what he's talking about.....
@@StopTheLiessWho says that’s a real Egyptian? He doesn’t look like the foundational Egyptians who have East African origins. They certainly didn’t look like this.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518Except we are talking about indigenous Africans. The original Egyptians clearly didn’t look like him.
hidden banger fr, appreciate this take being grounded
Identity based on skin color at best are hilarious and at worst are racist. Faulty concept that would bring little to nothing to the peoples who believe it, colorism always exist in any human society as one of the aspect to differentiate, but only in western leaning socio cultural would make it as the one aspect to identify.
Welcome to reality
Anyone else notice that Egyptians seem to have a really specific look? Like I looked at this dude and immediately noticed he looked "egyptian" to me.
16:48 dude the guy was kemetyu (Egyptian). See this is the thing. When a guy's African features are so obvious you call him Nubian like you're trying to separate him from something. No...the guy was Egyptian😩 for goodness sake. Those same racist behavior you're complaining about you're doing them and you're not even aware you're doing them
Lmao.."kemetyu"🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep trying..r aci stm
It’s very problematic that they make a constant effort to separate Nubians from Egyptians even though they’ve been on those lands for thousands of years
The Nubians are separate and distinct nationality and race. The temple histories depict the Egyptians raiding the Nubian for gold and yes the Kingdom of Kush invaded and conquered Egypt ending theMiddle Kingdom before being defeated and evicted and beginning the New Kingdom
@@ariszafiriou2501 share me a link of the raid
Hey Metta, I love your videos man. Very cool. I was just wondering about your videos on Egypt. Are your descendants from there? Keep making great content my friend. 👌
I guess I should’ve watched to the end before asking that question. Hahaha sorry.
Egypt is also Mediterranean same as the Greeks and the Romans and the Jewish and the PALESTINIANS and all of Northern Africans. And there are still do this day all over the Mediterranean, people who are Orthodox Christians, including the COPTIC ORTHODOX Egyptians and the Ethiopians and even the Eritreans and the Palestinian Orthodox Christians, which is imperative to mention. It goes on. People might change religion for various reasons and WE ALL STILL EXIST REGARDLESS.
But the ancient Pharoahs were somalis from the land of punt current day somali
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 yeah you keep telling yourself that.
@@miastupid7911 why would I have to tell that to myself when the reality is that. Hello this is history and history doesn't care about your feelings
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 whose history? Where in recorded history? When did this become part of the Narrative? Source. Give us your source!
@@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 this is in fact about your feelings. It's called gaslighting and projection what you are doing. Don't hide behind a fake avatar image.
I had no idea how much I had to learn about this. 😮
When so called Afro centrics say the native Egyptians were black, they are saying that the ancient Egyptians are indigenous black Africans. No one is saying African Americans are descended from that ancient civilization. At best some people may claim gene flow due to migration etc, because many common words are found amongst each groups, which means there was clearly a relation on some level. But no scholar said African Americans are descended from ancient Egypt / Kemet. It's clear the natives were indigenous black Africans from the Nile. And these Africans migrated up the Nile, trading, warring and intermingling with the Levantine Migrants in the delta. Ancient Egypt is a Nile civilization. Its oriented to the South on the borders of Nubia. That's where the first cities and kings were founded. The first Nome is Ta Seti, Land of the Bow. Smack dab in Nubia. These people were ethnically indistinguishable from nubians in the pre-dynastic and early dynastic eras.
I also find it odd how every time you people do a video on the race of the ancient Egyptians, basic things like this are never ever included. Its like the origin of the civilization doesn't matter when determining who and what the people are lol. But then y'all wonder why there's so many afro centrics.😂 Maybe if y'all didn't conveniently remove black people from history all the time, we wouldn't have to have these conversations.
All humans came from drak skinned Africans so argument is null and void. People of Pharaonic Egypt were North Africans of various phenotypes and classify them as Black is nonsens. While there were no doubt many Black people in Upper Egypt, you keep ignoring North, that certainly didn't look the same even in early dynastic times.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518except it's not null and void....North Africans were black Africans.... according to theories put forth by mainstream science pale skin developed in central Asia...how can North Africans not be black?
@@Ace-sb4il Where did I said anything about 'pale skin'??? Race is not about skin, it's about phenotype. Egyptians were not Black Africans. Also, by the tie of Pharaohnci Egypt, Egyptians already had Asian admixture.
You guys are imposing modern ideas, like the current meaning of "race", on people who existed thousands of years before race was invented. Race is a philosophical thing, it has no physical reality - geneticists haven't found any traces of the racial profiles that were invented in the 18th century.
And skin color varies widely all over Africa, and many different groups settled in the Nile Valley in the distant past - so no, the people of ancient Egypt and pre-Egypt didn't all have identical skin, either.
@@nycbearff they would all be classified as black tho... because we all know that black people have many different skin tones
I would love to listen to a discussion between you and Mr. Imhotep .
But ...... We're just 1 species, human beings. Maybe an alien invasion will bring us all together as the human RACE. I personally live to immerse myself in other cultures, their beliefs, and rituals. I don't think any culture is superior to any other culture, I think it all has value. Peace humans!
I know you mean well, but the "we're all one race, the human race" thing is a meme at this point, because it is rather tone deaf. Race is a social construct, but so are laws, money, time, borders, and all these things have consequences, just like how some people have been racialized.
I also believe you mean well when you say all cultures have value, but it doesn't help to be blindly uncritical. Some cultures believe it is their god-given right to own people, for example.
A comprehensive answer from a "local". This video is great. I'm really happy that you decided to get into this question and give it such a rounded explanation. Perhaps you could do a future video just on the history of the region. The fact that Egypt is such an ancient civilization is rare, and the fact that they are still around is almost unicorn. Good job.
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To say that Africa as the origin of civilization is oversimplified and wrong. Mesopotamia civ older than egyptian and it is in Asia.
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Africa is region, not a race. So, if the Egyptian said that they are not African, thats probably mean they are not Black, because Egyptian are not that 'Black' and they want to differ themselves. Because when people hear Africa it's always meant the people like 'Black America'. Meanwhile there are many region in Africa with 'Not Black' people like Morocco, Algeria, Egypt etc.
So, i think the Egyptian just want to said that they have their own civilization and race. They are not the people of Senegal, not the people of Morocco, but they are Egyptian.
It's not about black or white.. Thats just the european racism product.
Just like us in Asian Continent. Most people muat think Asian is Chinese or maybe Japan. While Asian has so many culture and rice from Arab, Indian, people in south east asia, some even look european ( people from caucassus).
I think most people just mix up region with race vice versa.
As a fellow Egyptian just wanna say that's fabulous
Just because its in Africa it doesnt mean everybody is black. Thats like making a movie where a Persian king is chinese guy arguing that Persia is in Asia
No one is questioning that Persia wasn’t cultured and created by Persians. But they do it to Egypt because it’s one of the oldest and mysterious civilizations where the world has gotten much of its gifts from. However they try to make a distinction with Egypt because people don’t want to believe African people didn’t contribute anything to the world stage.
Ancient civilizations of Africa were all black. They didn't begin to lighten until the eras of colonization and redistribution of land began to happen.
No white man or Arab is indigenous in africa
You can simple look up a video 1925 Egypt and you will see what those people looked like before wyte people became infatuated with it those Arabs invaded! And to the dude who made this I respect you saying that Egypt is African but the reality is those ancient Egyptians were Black Africans!
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This is a very well made video.
What is being missed is simply that the culture came from Nubia and Ethiopia (DMT) *including current Somalia. I would argue that we need to look closer at the connection between the Fula, Kalenjin, Kunama, Tutsi, Somali and Ethiopian contributions opposed to Arabs. For some reason the DNA evidence that shows Africans with E1B1a/E1b1b paternal have a distinct connection to Nubian and Egyptian rulers (including mayors and military personnel). Remember that African history is much lengthier than our current understanding. PHD professors have proven the contrary to much of the information presented. We need to have a genuine at length symposium on this matter and settle it as it is clear the propaganda is confusing so many people.
Nubia is another name for Upper Egypt. The ancient Egyptian still lives in the area. No need to look after in Somalia or Ethiopia or other parts of African countries while Sudan and Eritrea were part of Upper Egypt.
Are you sure that Egypt is completely African? What about 35% of Egypt's area that is located in the Asian continent? What about the fact that Egypt is a Mediterranean country? Man, the distance from Cairo Airport in Egypt to Khartoum Airport in Sudan, the closest African country to Egypt, is about three and a half hours, while the distance from Cairo Airport to Athens Airport in Greece is only about two hours. A large part of Egypt is closer to Europe than to Africa. My dear, three cultures meet in Egypt: Africa, the Mediterranean, and Asia, and this is what makes it different, and this is something that does not exist in any other African or non-African country. Cultures are what make civilizations, not a tone skin .. There are many black Egyptians, but not all Egyptians are black
Why are you treating the Nubian dynasty as a foreign invasion when they as a matter of fact reconnected Egypt to it's old ways and established what even racist western scholars all agree was a renaissance. Where have you seen foreigners establishing a renaissance in someone else's land? Look I actually agree so far with a lot of what you've said but I don't agree with this one view which I've noticed in your older videos. Are you even aware that the precursor civilization for Egypt was the Nubian civilization?
"Are you even aware.."
Lmao. No it wuznt "be aware"..keep trying..r aci st. Further amcient Kush had notin to do with ya sorry @ $$ either.
Precursor Nubian? You must be talking about Nabta Playa. The Nubian desert has some of the oldest settlements in the world.
@@corydetukas3307 no I'm talking about Nubia. Even today untouched areas in the nuba mountains still have practices that are exact replica from the ancient walls in Egypt
Egypt/kemet was connected to nubia. They were sister tribes, why there art is similar. Egypt is african/black, over time it was taken over again and again. Why it's light today like he said it's+ it's all carved on the walls.
@@larrytrum8388Egyptians were Western Eurasians, not congoids
Cope and seethe
When it came to Greek population in Egypt. They had to recruit Egyptian natives at one point to fill out their phalanx, and after the Egyptian Army got destroyed at Panion, the Ptolemaic army basically dissapeared from the historical narrative. Suggesting the Greeks were not to numerous.
Lmao your funny you mention Diop but then just say he's wrong who are you compared to the genius book writer and famous historian your sources are legit trust me bro what i say is true when you're just a guy on youtube smh.
We owe a lot to Diop because he forced us to look at things from a different perspective. But his theories had creation flaws due to the fact there there were certain types of information that weren't available at that time. Had he been alive today, he'd be the first to admit that.
@@TRUTHTEACHER2007 Wrong again mate i appreciate you taking the time respond tho this debate jas been going on long before Netflix's Cleopatra everyone and their mom knows she was Greek that aside there's other channels that's been covering this topic Kuelimika and he comes with his receipts, references and actual greek historic facts you did none of that just gave your opinion on why you thought a famous historian is wrong so again i ask who are you how far have you studied and under who, Greeks thought they were black the French thought they were black and all these people wasn't afrocentric back then they probably were still racist you modern day Egyptians are hiding a lie and you're only fooling stupid people, explain to me why there's laws against saying ancient Egypt is of any other race we know why explain to me why after first two dna test they stopped releasing the rest to the public, we know why they found a lot of Africans can't release that crazy you wont get away with the lie.
The part about the Copts being the original Egyptians is grossly false. Copts were a convergence of the Greeks and the already heavily mixed people in Northern Egypt.
Copts represent the LAST stage of Egypt before the Arab invasion in the 600s.
Egypt is rooted in a black African civilization that is at least 5,000 years old.
The script went through several phases
Hieroglyphs to Hieratic to Demotic to Coptic (which uses the Greek Alphabet with some Demotic characters)
Aside from the fact that the Copts look nothing like any of the numerous Ancient Egyptian depictions of how they portrayed themselves. (East Africans with East African hairstyles). Additionally, you will NOT see Coptic Egyptians walking about with NO SHIRT ON. They lack melanin.
Mind you, most of the Ancient Egyptian Gods like Ammit and Twaret are based on Sub-Saharan African animals.
When you add everything up, Egypt is not a multi-ethnic civilization. It is based in a Black African civilization that was conquered many time by many different groups several times.
Mamluks, Persians, Assyrians, Greek, Romans, British, French, Hyksos. 5,000 years, and call the Copts the original Egyptians from 1 AD. (Side eye)
Foreigners (Canaanites) have been in Egypt since the days of the Hyksos (15th dynasty)
Copts and the introduction of Christianity are closer to us in 2024, than they were to the pyramid of Djoser or the Great Pyramid of Giza.
3,000 BC is actually 5,000 years ago. A lot of people miss this - and how OLD Egypt was even at 1 AD when the Copts adopted Christianity.
Finishing listening - I'll let you cook, before I decide whether I want to leave this comment or none.
SMDH @ 5,000 years old points to the people of 1 AD.
1ad would be a pretty good middle ground in a 5k old civilization would it not? Gets pretty difficult to pin anything down beyond there
@@CrimsonSp33d Absolutely not. Cleopatra (who was Greek) is closer to us in 2024 than the building of the first Pyramid of Djoser. (2670 BCE)
Africans: ~300,000 years old
Arabs (Middle Eastern populations): ~60,000-70,000 years ago
Europeans and Asians: ~40,000-50,000 years ago
Blue eyes: ~6,000-10,000 years ago
By 1AD - Hyksos, Assyrians, Persians, Mumluks (Turks), Arabs, Greeks, and Romans had all been there.
And with that argument of 1AD - I could easily point to Saint Maurice and his depictions from the 3rd Century. He was from Thebes - right where the Ancient Egyptians held their Capital for Centuries.
Even looking at the written language - it goes from Hieroglyphs to Hieratic to Demotic to Coptic. The later two were writing systems influenced by those outside the region. So why would I start with the later writing styles rather than the oldest ones when discussing the origins of an ancient civilization. We want to know what the base culture was, not the most recent.
Saying otherwise would be like going into a cemetery in Brooklyn NY and today, and claiming that North America had always been Italian American. We know how dumb that would be.
U started out strong, but ar just taking up on side of the debate. Ur position is that ancient Egypt was phenotypically diverse without any evidence. Ur argument is essentially of an unchanging demographic and egypt has always been a 'cross-road'.
But u spend no time arguing why this is better than a theory of demographic change. U don't actually address the strongest argument that the Egyptians themselves came from the south. That Egypt was unified south to north. That cultural continuities exist through the nile Valley and discontinuities to the Levant.
U discount herodotus claim by not even addressing it or its implications. What observer today would describe modern Egyptians in this way, with wooly hair and black skin like the eithiopians? Who would describe the Egyptians and eithiopians as looking similar? Yes, some Egyptians look eithiopian and so do some Americans. But the generalized view of Americans is not that they look eithiopian.
Herodotus statement in comparison to today's population points to demographic change. U then bring up invasions and how his statement somehow contradicts the demographic change hypothesis. How? He observed Egyptians as black and modern observers don't. Demographic change attempts to explain this, but u wave that away with what I describe as "melting pot" theory. That Egypt has been a melting pot since the dawn of time or at least the dawn of its recorded existence.
But that can't be true theoretically and is not true in reality. Theoretically, human groups have to have some measure of separation, eons, for phenotypical variation where white and black are even conceptually possible. And one group had to enter Egypt first. Reality wise, this is why the southern origin is important because it shows that the first group to enter came from the south. Also, Egypt's early interaction with outside regions is to the south. Interaction with the north occurs much later. Put another way, Egypt was a nile valley civilization and then a Mediterranean civilization, in that order. First capital, Thebes, then Memphis, not the other way around.
The crossroads didn't exist in the beginning. Ur projecting the situation from today, 1000, or even 500 bce to 3000 bce. But u really have no evidence for this theory.
Heroduts did not compared Egyptians to Ethiopians. He compared them to Colchians - who are West Asians. He observed Egyptians as darker in comparison to Greeks, but phenotypically he said outwardly they look similar to Georgians.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518that's not what he said....he said the colchains were thought to be descendants of the Egyptian because of their dark skin and wooly hair....lol stop trying twist things with your lies
@@Ace-sb4il You are twisting wrods. He said they are 'thought to be'. He himself stated he doesn't believe it. And he was right - there is no evidence there was any Egyptian population in Colchis. Were it would go? Also, dark skin doesn't mean phneotype we call Black. Modren Egyptiand have dark skin and they are mostly not Black.
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@@kuzeysirinka4265 Post your appalud to in nonsens. Egypt was diversified. Always. Those are facts.
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Dude did you just say nilo Saharan is not related to Egypt? Nilo Saharan is the language family of...you know what maybe I'm making a mistake here. Kemet! Nilo Saharan is the family Kemet belonged to. The Medu neter is nilo Saharan. Bro I get what you're trying to do here. And I fully support it. Everyone is Egyptian. Even the French Egyptians are Egyptians. True. But please respect the true origins of the ancient civilization Kemet. Those you call Nubians in Aswan are not the 25th dynasty Nubians. Those guys were pushed back into Sudan by the Assyrians. These people are only called Nubians today to make them seem like foreigners to Egypt and I even hear there's a racial connotation to it. The so called Nubians in Egypt are descendants of the oldest people that established kemet. Give them that respect. It won't make them more or less Egyptian than that other Egyptians. Kemet is long gone. The natives in america are recognized as the oldest population and the first inhabitants of the land. This isn't giving them any edge over anybody in america. It's just a fact that is known.
"Kemeti nilo Saharan.."
Look at this supremacist is tryin to rewtite history. The ra cist supremacist does not want to acknowledge the fact that neither Ancient Egypt or amcient Kush were "Nilo Saharan" speakers but instead both Afro Asiatic speakers. The ra cist doesnt want to acknowledge that ancient Kush or the 25 th dynasty were not "Nilo Saharan" peoples but genetically, culturally and linguistically much closer to the Middke East than they were to "Nilo Saharan" people or ssAfrica as a whole. The r acist desperately tries to change history to feel better about his sad reality. Keep tryin ..r afist.
I don’t understand your claim that Egyptian language is Nilo-Saharan. It is spoken and understood by Coptic monks, linguists, egyptologists (I know they don’t mean much)
Everyone who knows the language agrees it’s afroasiatic. And it would geographically make no sense for them to speak Nilo-Saharan languages as most around them in north/east Africa speak afroasiatic languages.
@@Mettabeshay explain what you mean by afro Asiatic
@@weskerwillie9044 Afroasiatic is a language family that has 6 smaller branches; berber, semitic, cushitic, chadic, omotic, and egyptian. These langauges share syntax, grammer, and vocab. saying the ancient egyptian language is nilo-saharan would be similar to saying Chinese is indo-european (English, French, Hindi). No one who Studies and Speaks these languages would make a claim like that.
@@Mettabeshay watch the damn video and stop regurgitating unnecessary info.
I was pleasantly surprised when one of my sisters took a DNA test and it showed Egyptian heritage from my German born mother. My mom and two of her brothers are olive skinned with dark hair and eyes. I can only guess when Napoleon conquered Egypt he had German regiments in his army-and perhaps one of them brought an Egyptian wife home with him.
22:12 dude when people say Cleopatra was black they mean in the typical sense that she had African ancestry kinda like you. If you went to america today walking down the street you'd be black. It's that simple. When they say Cleopatra was black their not saying she came from west Africa or central Africa in fact that actor playing Cleopatra that made modern Egyptians so mad is a British woman and mixed! The woman is as European as she is African but because of a stupid social label called black you're all upset. Dude go look at the twin statues of Cleopatra selene and Alexander Helio. The twin children of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony. Those children have hair like yours. They are mixed! Who pops out mixed children without doing it with an afro descended partner?
I have hair like his. And I'm Greek (and inbred from a very closed society). So? Greeks had curly hair. Look at the Greek statues, from the Minoan to the Archaic to the classical age. CLEOPATRA named her kids after her Greek ancestors and Cleopatra Selene and and Alexander Helios (GREEK NAMES) and DIETIES. She had coins made of herself. She did that. The Romans who abhorred her and killed her children had sculptures made of her and Frescoes. They called her out on her sh*t (to use modern linguistics), and hunted her down and she killed herself and they then killed her children (including Cesarion named after his father). Don't you think they wouldve pointed everything out? From the above, Greek names and all the artifacts, Cleopatra herself identified as the GREEK inbred tragic figure that she was.
Dear Wesker, you agree with me that race is a social construct. American's perception of who is black is very different from Egyptian perception of who is black. Perhaps Egyptians use the term black to refer to Negro. Please respect that we perceive things differently, and don't impose your definitions on us.
@@emanmosharafa558 it's clear you are not even aware that negro simply means black. There is not a single soul enforcing anything on you. Just you causing fire where there is non. Black Americans are fighting their own battle against white supremacy and racism. You that nothing concerns you. You're putting yourself in the center. When black Americans say black they simply mean African. Because as an African if I go to america white people won't create a distinction between me and a black american. They will call me black. Your own problem is that you don't see yourselves as black. It is not our business how you want to see yourselves. But don't make it our business by trying to erase the true nature of ancient Egyptian history. Then, you will have a problem with us. If you claim you are descended from the ancient Egyptians but your ancient Egyptian ancestors were not black then clearly you are not descended from ancient Egyptian ancestors. It's that simple. I recognize the fact that many modern Egyptians today both black and non black have ancestral ties to ancient Egypt be it matrilineal or patrilineal. This does not give you the right to re imagine history
@@emanmosharafa558 Except that there are no negros in Africa. This is an idea created by Europeans and they can't even decide what the hell that is. One day they tell you Somalis are negros, next day they change them into caucasians. They tell you East Africans are caucasians because they have ancient eurasian mixture, but they call an African American with over 50% European ancestry black. None of this makes any sense.
why are you so obsessed with Cleopatra she was Greek and white if your going to worry about that mysterious 25% then you can't for sure say anyone is anything. Even the possible egyptian grand mother from the north would probably be light skin and middle eastern looking.
"Never a time when Egypt looked like one thing"
Let's start with, you began the video with OUT OF AFRICA. All people came from Africans.
The Nile flows North - from the interior of Africa to the Mediterranean, not the other way around.
The Egyptians Gods are Sub-Saharan African Animals (that can still be found there today.)
Afro-Asiatic languages originated IN AFRICA
The Hieroglyph for face is CLEARLY a Black African.
Ancient Egyptians walked around shirtless
Ancient Egyptians hairstyles, headrest, collars, combs, all have cultural continuity with the interior of Africa where the Black Africans reside.
Understand the the Afrocentrist argument is NOT whether Egypt today is BLACK OR WHITE. The argument is that Ancient Egypt was rooted in a Black African Civilizations.
Africans 300,000 years old.
Near Easterners 70,000 years old.
Europeans 45,000 years old.
Blue eyes 6,000 years old.
The fact that the ORIGIN of one of the oldest civilizations on the planet does not reside with the oldest people on the planet....
Bruh... it's just RACISM!
Racist for saying Egyptians are Egyptian? You’re wild my dude
So… Egypt is like the Texas of Africa
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A lot of people forget that Sudan was the upper Nile River all upper Egypt when the ancient people talk about Egypt Egypt and Sudan
Egypt is not african .... thats like saying mexico is american. Africa is a continent and barley 400 years old. Africa did not exsist in ancient egypt.
...mexico is american. youre exactly right
You are very confused. Africa is a continent - it is millions of years old. It has physical boundaries. America is a continent - it is millions of years old. It has physical boundaries. Mexico and Egypt are nations - defined by humans. They are artificial government entities, whose borders have changed repeatedly over their history. And they sit on chunks of continents - Mexico is part of America, Egypt is part of Africa. When the countries are long gone, replaced by different governmental arrangements, the continents will remain.
TIL Africa was invented in the 1600s
The closest to the Ancient Egyptians are the Copts, Fellaheen of the Nile Delta, and Sa'idis of Luxor, I have more than proved this! They are to be respected and acknowledge as the true heirs of Egypt!
All egyptains are true egyptian and any one is not egyptian can not steal egyptian history
Copts are not the closest thing to Egyptians. They have middle eastern origins which clearly is not indigenous to African lands.
@@The_Truth- well how do you know this and all of North Africa is in the middle east and Africa is a continent not race go search modren egyptian genom and dna and the only descendants of anicent egyptains are modren egyptians the black and brown of us
@@The_Truth- They are the closest to the OK, MK and NK samples.
@@gamalnassertv They’re not the closest to the foundational Egyptians that came from within the continent. As I said before Copts have middle eastern origins. Since when have middle easterners ever had origins in Africa?
Just for the record I don't consider non black Egyptians to be less Egyptians because of their non African phenotype but that doesn't change the facts that modern Egyptian phenotype is the way it is today because of foreign admixture beginning well from the Greco roman period till date. Many modern Egyptians are insecure about this and try to run this silly argument that Egypt has always looked like this. Na. You don't need to change the past to look like you to exert your ancestral claims anymore than a Japanese Nigerian needs to look less Japanese to claim her African birth right in Nigeria. Africans are the most accepting people in the world. Just don't try to write us out of history because of your modern looks
"Just for the record.. from the Greco Roman.."
No it wuz not. Lmao The raci st tries to siund leas r acis t 🤣🤣🤣 keep tryin r avcist
You are equating Black as Africa.
And just one more problem I, a Far East Asian Man is more related genectically to an Ethiopian or Eritrean Man than they are related to a Ghanaian Man.
@@sonnymak6707 I doubt that but it's possible. You fail to realize there are Ethiopians in Ethiopia that are phenotypically indistinguishable from Ghanaians today and you also fail to realize you do not know how many Eritreans carry the same genes. While we are almost certain African population dispersion most likely occurred from east Africa to other parts of Africa, we know for an absolute fact that much of you originate from outside Africa🤷🏿. So how would you with your out of African genes have more genetic correlation to inside African genetics whether eritrean or Ghanian
@@sonnymak6707 yes I am. I've heard multiple non black Africans say, "we are not Africans" but never heard the same from black Africans. It's something many of u have already admitted to🤷🏿. So yes. When I speak of Africa I mean black Africa. And in a sense of truth non black Africans are a part of us. But if you try to separate yourself from us that's like a child saying he doesn't belong to the family but still lives under his father's roof. The foreign label is created by non black Africans in north Africa when they make these silly claims but still try to root their origins in African antiquity. You simply cannot claim to originate from Africa and say your ancestors were not black.
Black Americans: Lincoln was black, Julius Caesar was black, Shakespeare was black, Issac Newton was black, JFK was black….
Yo mama was....
@@elliottbrown1329 she might be part black. She is white like her mom but her dad was a dark skinned Mexican, probably a descendant of the original inhabitants of the Mexico region. My uncles were darker like their dad and the daughters were more brown/tan.
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I teach you the history and the gentics.