Rogue Runs ROUGH (P0171, P0300) + Bonus: Nissan & Jeep TRANSMISSION Problems!
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2024
- We're on the road today heading to the North PA Border!
A shop has 3 vehicles that need a GUARANTEED diagnosis:
1) 2013 Nissan Rogue that runs ROUGH, setting P0171-LEAN and P0300-MISFIRE codes.
Classic Parts Cannon (coils, plugs, MAF, O2 sensors...) failed miserably.
2) 2013 Nissan Juke: CVT is slipping and making a TERRIBLE WHINING sound at 102k miles...
P0868-Low Fluid Pressure and P1778- Step Motor faults are set.
Time for a NEW transmission?
3) 2010 Jeep Liberty: Transmission goes into LIMP MODE and sets P0734-Gear Ratio ERROR code.
Some parts may be required...
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Ivan - Авто та транспорт
Drinking my morning coffee in SoCal, scratching my head along with Ivan and thankful I quit the profession in 1989.
We need you in the UK Ivan.
Brilliant spot on the wrong sensor, well done !
Imagine a Nissan CVT with problems....
Imagine any CVT with problems.
@@kenputt1750 Nah, it is mainly Nissan. Suzuki and Mitsubishi use the same CVT brand, and they don't have too many problems.
@@ronaldderooij1774 If you look up the cost of a used transmission for a 2019 Outlander, you will see them at $3,500+. Any time used engines/transmissions cost that much, it is either something like a Viper or Jaguar, or they are piles of crap. There's a 2012 Suzuki SX4 for sale locally that I want, but the CVT transmission is pooched and there is only one within 200 miles of home, and even then, it is $2,000 with 126,xxx miles. Not that the SX4 is a common vehicle, though. These are all Jatco units. The same manufacturer as the ones used in the Ford Freestyle and DaimlerChrysler used them for awhile as well.
The Subarus don't seem to have much trouble, despite being made by Jatco. The honda civic CVT transmisisons can be had for really cheap, and the Corolla ones aren't terribly expensive, either. I dunno. Mazda is seemingly the only one still using a slush box transmission. Dual-clutch and CVTs are everywhere, making a Hybrid one of the theoretically most reliable drivetrains available in the new market right now. I think Infiniti is still using slush boxes as well.
I Used Castrol red cvt fluid on my 15 Rogue Sv awd. Spill and fill twice exect amount method 50k&60k . Significantly better than oem and mobile one 75-90w axel. All oem fluid including brake was pure shit.
@@ronaldderooij1774I wonder if that’s just because Nissan sells 4Xs the number of cars as Suzuki or Mitsubishi so you hear of more problems.
I have a nissan maxima 2001 , not a CVT. trans started going at 202k miles or so, P0744. did a slow flush via 3x drain and fill with 1k miles between. old fluid was very dark but did not smell bad. after the slow flush using Valvoline Maxlife full synthetic ATF , Lucas and Seafoam transtune additives it became drivable but lost 4th gear (O/D) its been driven this way for 4 years and 41k miles and still going. about to get rid of this car as it served its purpose to give my son something to drive around while he saved up funds for another car and to ride out the higher price of used cars. it now has 243k miles
one thing to note, Nissans are like Fords when they age, their electrical systems turned to mush. almost every problem I have had since about 180k miles has been electrical related by a electrical component breaking or wearing out.
WHAT A NISSAN with CVT problems no way 😉
My Jeep Patriot with a CVT transmission (same or similar trans as the Juke)had the same whine, would go into limp mode, changed filter and fluid AND another filter element running between the transmission and cooler, whine gone, works good. See if the Nissan has the same filter, change it, will restore fluid pressure.
Newer Nissan CVT have external replaceable filter
I really like these short diags, as a full time mechanic this is what I mostly see. I'd love to see more!
Every diag is short most mechanics know within a few minutes what is wrong with your vehicle but you don’t want to guess you want accurate information so you go through the process of elimination.
@@keysautorepair6038 I disagree. "most mechanics" misdiagnose in this area of the country. If the identifix silver bullet doesn't fix it, they say "it'll have to go to the dealer, we don't have the whatever-tool you need for the job". And of course the dealers seem to be only able to fix cars half a dozen years old at most.
But the quick diags like these, that call for major component replacement, they're valuable to see. I find I can easily get too caught up in tracking every possibility.
The customers really like the short diags too. :)
There was the one guy who bought 6 AutoZone coils and plugs for his Pathfinder. He never mentioned the cat being stepped on sound. Just the jerking that it was doing. He had a leak at axle seal. I quoted him for replacing fluid with Nissan and replacing the fluid with Nissan. He laughed at me and said he would buy a new transmission before he did that. I laughed at him and explained he has no idea what that meant. We ended up back and forth. I told him I was only taking cash for payment. He tried really hard to get me to take his credit card. Then he started telling me he was gonna sue me and I needed to take him to the ATM so he could get cash. Back and forth he pulled 5 100 bills out of his pocket. I laughed again and said see that's why I would not take your card. He planned on canceling the charge. Don't ever take a credit card from a disgruntled customer.
Correct 💯
These people are out here just trying to beat you out of something for nothing. Doesn't matter what business you're in.
Had a guy do something similar wrote him a estimate on a head gasket job he agreed I got done he called me and asked if I put a new water pump on it while I was there no I didn’t it was a exotec 2.2 I said that is another 4 hours labor he said since I was there he called the police told them I stole his money I showed them the gasket and the bill and explained that he was trying to get one over on me the old since your their bit.
@@keysautorepair6038Don't know why some people don't just say what they want done, Instead of making everything sound Stupid at the end of a Job, My guess is this idiot person just wanted a n excuse not to pay is what it sounds like to me, Don't people realize how much actual time it takes to do a Headgasket job properly, Not just everyone can pull it off successfully in the first place.
I forgot to add that he showed up with coils and plugs and told me it was jerking. I asked if he had flashing check engine light. He said no so I told him to take the coils back because changing them with those elcheapo coils would be going backwards. Hew brought car couple days later and that aboce is what happened.
Far as I know he drove the car home pouting and parked it and it hasnt moved. It laterally only needs a axle seal and OEM fluid change.
@@eddiereichel9354 I believe You, Why don't people just allow Professional to take care of problems like this instead of being 💯% Stupid instead, Now it's probably the Car manufacturers fault if asked.
Love it when you put in the title that the show has bonus coverage. I stay awake nights worrying about all the footage I have missed BUT at 77 I don't have time to go back and check.
Nice work Ivan, thanks for taking us along.
Thanks again for everything
Thanks Ivan!
Thanks for the diagnostic exercise this morning ‼️
I really needed this thinking repair to get me going.
Have a great visit with your family.
Keep those videos coming.
Del in Ky.
Nice work Ivan. With the tools and knowledge you make it look easy....
Things were a lot simpler years ago, transmission has become too electronically involved on the newer vehicles, too many solenoids depends instead of just valve body pressure depends !
Really good 👍🏼 learning found in this particular tutorial ! Thanks mate ! 👊🏼 🔥
That whining sound from that Nissan Juke was so loud. Usually when the trans fluid pump starts whining like that, it's already too late. But the Jeep Liberty, that's a tough call. It could just be a gummed-up valve body. But if there are any signs of metal in the fluid, it's toast.
If you go to the Nissan Stealership when your CVT is acting up, it's too late. Service your CVT often with fresh fluid every 30k miles. That way chances are that you will get a much longer life out of the CVT. Fluid is cheap, Transmission are expensive.
Thanks but no thanks. NO CVT's. I'll stick to well proven tech or a Manual. At least both of those can be SERVICED.
The 'ol Marquis has a 4R70W transmission that at 470,000 miles still shifts like it did when I bought the car new. I will continue to drive it.
On that Jeep, there should be a menu to show clutch pack wear in %. For giggles, I would've done a clutch pack relearn because sometimes after a repair ( like that sol assembly or even a fluid change on a higher mileage trans) the adaptive strategy is too far biased to recalibrate on it's own. That being said, it may only work properly for a short time, which would prove excessive clutch pack wear. I've always hated the fact that Chryslers have the software immediately dump you into limp mode with the smallest glitch.
Brilliant.
Wow you are getting faster and faster with these diagnostics!😊
Ha diagnostics from the driver's seat ;)
Awesome videos
on the jeep the 4th gear servo is likely cracked, leaking fluid by instead of applying the correct pressure,, this can be changed without dropping the trans..
Bad day for transmissions. Had one go bad at work today. (yesterday) Blew the filler cap off and almost started a fire when the oil hit the exhaust . This was on a D-10.
102,000 miles on a Nissan CVT...with that noise...It's toast!!! 2010s Nissan CVTs were not known for their reliability or endurance.
Ivan you did give a fast diag, they know where they stand :-D
Not knowing can be frustrating.
It be nice and I wonder if any scan tools provide this. The ability to set up several different preconfigured groups of PIDs to view and plot. This way you could pull up a particular group for particular troubleshooting scenarios.
No one changes fluid until a problem. I've done a few of these cvt. They are like 1800 from a junk yard and like 2300 from the dealer for a reman. I've done them both ways. Customers don't always have the sense to understand 500 is nothing compared to having to redo a job.
Ivan, hope you come do a California special some day.
Whoop whoop, new PHAD video whoop whoop👌👍🤘
On those Moparwothout dipstick that are front wheel drive you can use oil dipstick. You just use metric ruler to measure fluid level. On that one ya can use a long piece of wire and measure fluid level on wire. All the fancy pants dipstick is just a metric ruler on the end of a cable.
I've had approved CVT fluid go bad after 25k and aerate causing whining pump, new CVT fluid fixed. Always change every 30k on Jatco CVT. Altima CVT does have external filter change every 100k.
Gee, a 42RLE. You’ll probably find the direct clutch snap ring in the bottom of the pan.
Great job, imagine a Nissan w/ a CVT problem: I never hard that before
I did get that 5.3 with the oil above the intake valve fixed. I did find that the exhuast valve had some lateral movenent in its guide. So i ended up just getting a reman head for it, i didnt want to chance waiting on the local machine shop for months. I actually bought it off my customer cos it was gonna cost more than he wanted to spend.
Look at you, all grown up!... You're almost a regular De Facio, all we had to do is wait around 10 years.... Guys , it takes at least 10 years to aproach the skills for a professional mechanic....
Great diagnostic on the Rogue, Ivan! Not so obvious at first glance. The Juke makes you clench something - brown transmission fluid, eew... Good decision by the Jeep owner!
Trifecta! Nice.
I am really glad during the test drive that you weren't returning home and that Rogue didn't give a big "buck;" a big shudder. You could have thought about that and then the dashboard could have lit up like a Christmas tree and it could have powered down and been done with just enough time to coast to the side of the road due to unfortunate rodents. Please tell me that your wife no longer owns that car that always breaks down when you are away; like you are now. I know you have treated her to a new Toyota Grand Highlander because you care very deeply for her. I think on that Juke you need to offer to change the transmission. (Don't shoot yourself.) That owner of the Jeep did the right thing. GREAT VIDEO!
I'm not sure but I think you can go back into your selected PIDs but not in the same session. Look under thinkfile, diagnostic record, quick access.
My wife has a 2010 dodge grand caravan 62TE trans that needed a new solenoid so i purchased the body/solenoid unit from amazon and it made the shifting worst, I contacted the seller but no response. The problem started out as being an intermittent one as on occasion the trans would not shift out of second, pull off the road and restart the car and the problem would go away for 3 or 4 days and then reappear, replaced the valve body/solenoid pack and now when it goes to shift out of second it does a hard down to first every time. I know that you always warn us about buying these types of parts from some online stores, I have learned my lessen. .
Newer cars are so expensive to repair, that as a used vehicle, it's almost, if not usually, more cost effective to replace the whole vehicle
As a temporary workaround for the 4th gear ratio fault clear his DTC and just drive the car in the lower gear range. Do t select Drive.
That would be terrible on the highway 😂
But no parts required!
Good morning yall
okay, that's what you call timing. I have an '11 Juke with the CVT, and I've been keeping an ear out because they have a reputation. now I know where to look for my tranny dipstick. I was actually consideing coming to you for a diagnostic, 'cause the car wouldn't lock, and even the dealership (i drove all the way to Indiana) couldn't figure it out. then a few months ago, ONE door actually DID start to lock, which confirmed it's not the BCM, the Fob (which I thought it was because of the condition) or the door lock switch (which is worn smooth!) but probably a bad case of Green Crusties or bent pins
Sounds like the Rogue has a blown indicator bulb aswell 😊
On the JEEP you need to take approx half of the fluid out & replace it with the correct fluid if it still has a long shift the clutches are just about worn out.(It is best done on a lift & take the pan off if it able to be done & replace the filter.If all the fluid was changed out at the last service it is probably a goner.)
Please keep hitting ThinkCar people to fix their software and save the selections. On modern car with 100 points to select, at least, it's total pain in the butt to go back on purpose or by mistake and re-select the 10 the ones again.
The nissan does have a filter on the line where the cooler is.
well sorted ivan 3 in one go
Looks like motor oil in that transmission. Wouldn't be surprising having a o2 in place of a afr.
I worked for a dealer, they would have replaced the front brakes as well as rebuilt the differential and see if that cured the problem.
Which vehicle are you referring to?
Ivan showcased 3 vehicles 😅
@@ricebikeALL of them 😂
I predicted that catalytic converter,, I'm very proud of that !!! lol
Rogue... Rough. I see what you did there.
I think that you missed the overdrive (4th gear) clutch function test option on your first scanner menu, before the special functions option.
Hmm don't think so... What was the exact label of the test that you saw? 🤔
It's a PHAD Triple-play 😊
There’s us Honda/Acura 1999-2004 V6 auto owners who changed trans fluid, hoping to postpone the trans failure.
Yeah every 3rd Gen Acura TL owner, too. I do a drain and fill every oil change on my 05 TL (every 6 months basically, since I don't put a lot of miles on it).
Wise move on the jeep ! Traded in while it still ran ! Now its someone elses problem ! 😛
Bill is very lucky to have you swing by during the commute to your parents house 😅
Helps cover the commute costs and you get content for your channel 👍
Why couldn't you get a fluid sample by opening the fill plug temporarily with the engine off? Would be messy for sure.
No dip stick? Is it possible to remove the upper fill plug and rub the splashed trans oil on a white paper towel to check color of fluid? Or suck some fluid out with a suction ball and hose?
Turkey baster works like magic
These Jatco CVT transmissions usually have 2 filters first one like a strand usually does not need to be changed just cleaned but the second is on the oil cooling line needs attention and should be replaced every 100K
Do you notice excessive engine revving going downhill on the older Nissan CVTs? I know it’s programmed that way as a brake assist feature but seems higher now over the past couple months. Is there a way to clear the TCM without a 2 way scanner? Does removing the battery cable really reset the TCM like some suggest?
My 2013 Nissan rouge show fuel trim levels on negative no lights what can i do to fix help
I seen a very intresting video on a honda with plugged internal filter on transmission tranny would just slightly grab going foreward it also had pump noise he removed one transmission coolant lines looked for flow very little it had he used shop air blew back into tranny he said he could hear bubbling noise then drained fluid filled with diesel feul operated it for awhile then drained tht replaced tranny fluid what he had about his garage drove car worked find then drained tht then replaced oem fluid. if tht worked on transmissions make me think if it would work on volkwagons plugged up pick up screens in oil pans drain oil and fill and let sit for a day or so ?
I liked the Nissan Rouge when I had it as a loaner vehicle while my timing belt was being replaced on a 2002 quest/mercury villager a while ago. (Found out Ford made sure it is non-interference engine for that shared platform, yay!)
Smooth ride from my short 3 day drive with it until I found out that it had the dreaded jatco CVT 😢(back then, it wasn't a known issue)
People always wait until they have transmission issues then change the fluid.
Isn't the solenoid pack external? replacement doesn't always mean a fluid replacement like a internal solenoid pack
I will try lucas transmission fix I had lot of luck with my customer including 2010 land cruiser 500 km never changed the fluid and the transmission was slipping so bad I told him change the fluid and filter and put two lucas transmission fix and it fix it
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When the local Nissan dealer stocked SEVENTEEN transmissions for a 2015 Altima, that is something to be said about the unreliability of Nissan/Jatco CVT transmissions. Combine this with the absurd cost on the used market, and... yeah. It's well-known for these to be problematic. They are a great vehicle otherwise.
Agreed
They are quiet, handle well, etc. Unfortunately, if the transmission doesn't work it really isn't much good.
I find it unusual that I have a '13 Altima with no transmission dipstick., but this 13 Juke does in fact have one. Can anyone explain that?
Ivan what the avg life of a air fuel ratio sensor for Toyota vehicles
Usually the heater element burns up before the sensing element goes bad... They can last well beyond 200k miles. 👍
RIP (Rust in Peace) CVT.
Looks like it's running cold 186 degrees??
Is that air/fuel sensor unique to Nissan instead of an upstream O2 sensor?
I'm not sure what the difference is, but the tech on it would probably go right over my head. 😂😅😂😅
Wideband O2 sensor = Air/Fuel Ratio sensor...very common on Asian and Euro cars.
I see they sent the car in with an empty gas tank. Range 37 miles.
Was 4th gear overdrive? I thought I saw an overdrive clutch test.
Transmission problems and Nissan and Jeep go together like biscuits and gravy
Driving for Uber in a Jeep takes balls of steel. That thing is a fuel wasting time bomb. Even if he's breaking even on maintenance and fuel, the high mileage repair costs will kill he's profit overtime.
Ivan I thought Amanda's 2010 red Rogue had the transmission replaced at 180K (correct me if wrong). If you still have it what kind of mileage does it have now? Do you change the fluid in it every 30K (is my memory wrong)?
It's at 262k now, fluid change every 60k miles 👍
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thanks. So no problems with the cvt transmission?
@@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176only if you change that CVT fluid frequently it seems... Still a crapshoot with the jatco 😢
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics How do you get your wife to drive a car with that many miles?🤣😂
Cheaper easier fix on the Jeep tranny? I've sometimes been lucky with adding a little Lucas TransFix or some of the Lubegard stop shudder/seal fixx additives.
Leaving idle to hear it is just destroying the pump
11:45 anyone who owns a Nissan CVT should be thinking about their transmission 24/7 😆
What you should have said was "anyone who owns a Nissan should be thinking about a Toyota 24/7"
Not surprised about the Liberty, those Chrysler products from 2007 through the mid-2010s were some of the worst cars ever made.
Unlikely but possible they filled the nissan with regular ATF.
Didn't look like it on the dipstick...
Goody, a Japanese Chrysler.
As soon as I saw Rogue, I thought it was your wife's car again!
To bad more auto makers would choose AISIN transmissions. Seems like most of them are bullet proof
Which is why I bought a 2020 Toyota RAV4 with the 8 speed automatic. I know the cvt transmissions have been updated and are better, but I don't trust them.
Two good ones Ivan.
I have same vehicle and I'm not big fan that transmission, sound like CVT and wants to be CVT, then I drove Corolla with CVT that wants to be 6 or 8 speed auto 🤔 go figure 😅
@Jonathan-mp32x When I drove trough Smokies in Tennessee, up and down hills sounded like CVT, reving, holding and hunting trough the gears, I preferred 6spd auto from previous generation it was more refined.
@Jonathan-mp32x I'm aware and understand all technical aspects of everything you say and state, I service all our vehicles myself in my garage, oil, coolant, brakes, transmission fluids, belts, etc, I didn't have intention to educate masses about technicalities of certain machines or their physics , it is only my opinion, that's all, We are all different and we see things differently 😉.
@Jonathan-mp32x Well you get little bit "technical", belts, chains, gear ratios, sounded like MIT professor, so I appreciate all the education 👍 👏, but what is the purpose when we just share opinions only, it is irrelevant 😉
I just watched some TV show about nature's and wolf's, how they bring back balance in to environments that needs balance, cool documentary, Good night.
I'd never own a Jeep, but I damn sure wouldn't be an Uber driver if I had one.
That juke sounded like a large mouse was in the transmission playing a giant kazoo. CVT’s…..the automotive version of most political ideas….sounds good enough to put 8n to practice until the whole thing fails.
NEVER FLUSH,,,, only drain and refill... when the clutches wear, they put out almost microscopic particles thet embed in the casting inside the transmission, and tend to remain there if they arent caught in the filter,,, when you flush you dislodge all of that clutch material, and it clogs up oil circuits, shift valves, ect, then you start having problems,,, this is why so many have issues after a FLUSH...
Yup I only drain and fill 👍
You might find this video from ATS relevant to the Jeep transmission issue.
ua-cam.com/video/xpTRkgX9eDE/v-deo.html
Rule no, 1 Never buy a car with a CVT.
At least not a Nissan or Jeep CVT haha
CVT....CANNOT VECTOR TORQUE
Unless you get it dirt cheap and plan on manual swapping it.
Except Toyota they seem to be ok
@@neilmurphy845 AISIN
Wow a Heep owner with some common sense that is very uncommon glad he made the right decision
I think those pinkos in NY State have electronic jammers to trigger your check engine light as soon as you cross the border 😂
I had.my nissan Murano experience had one it went 160,000 miles .Then the transmission went into limp mode.And was slipping. I sold it Never buy a Nissan that's the fix.
What a mistake this car purchase was.