Part 2: Jennifer Crumbley testifies in her involuntary manslaughter trial
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- After the prosecution rested their case, Jennifer Crumbley takes the stand in her own defense during her involuntary manslaughter trial in the Oxford School Shooting case.
She completely lost me when she said she would do nothing differently and then has the gall to equate her loss to the loss of her murderous son’s victims.
On that day, she lost EVERYTHING! Her son, her husband, her life! Not to mention the knowledge of living with the fact that HER son did this. She may not have been a morally "good" person, but this was not her fault!
No she didn't.
@justkipp. She didn't loose everything, she has her life, her murderous son is still living. She is a definite failure
Apparently you missed the part where she said she wished he had killed them instead.
She seems completely devastated to me.
When Dad heard about the shooting, he didn't go to the school, he ran home to check for the gun, because they KNEW. She then texts her boss asking not to be fried and later complains to her boss about her horse boarder not wanting her to come by.
Exactly. To me, this series of events is the most damning exchange that shows that she knew what her son was capable of
They wanted him to take his on life 😢. Instead of saying Dont do it she wanted to say. Do it to himself
She had adequate warning to get her son help. His performance in school, symptoms of depression like poor dental hygiene and disheveled etc.
Then to top it off he was depressed about remote learning, loosing his best friend and grandmother and their solution was buying him a GUN for Christmas!
All adults are to blame
Must be republicans!
While all those warning signs were there, you are also failing to acknowledge how difficult it is to actually get mental health services for kids. If he wasn’t actively suicidal or didn’t admit to being homicidal (especially without insurance) it’s very unlikely he would have been given help immediately. He wouldn’t have met criteria for an inpatient stay based on the information presented.
Our country values second amendment rights when guns are clearly part of the problem. Our country says “it’s a mental health issue” but we don’t value humans enough to provide universal health care. People can’t actually access mental health services. These things aren’t happening in other countries, this is unique to the U.S. Until we solve what makes us different we aren’t going to get anywhere with mass shooters. She was negligent in her parental actions, but other parents of mass shooters have not been held to the same level of accountability. This situation is terrible, sad and PREVENTABLE! It’s going to take more than charging each individual to solve this issue.
Zero interest in girls at 15. Red flag
_"We did everything right!"_ - Oh, well that's ok then, case dismissed, you can toddle off home now.
Exactly. She then went on to say she wouldn't do anything differently. She can't think of even ONE thing she would do differently!?
Are you freaking serious. She wouldn't do anything differently? There is so much she could have done
but she lost so much 🥺🥺😂😂😂😂😂
I'm not even convinced she's criminally culpable, and was still floored she said that. I'm trying to remain unbiased, so right now my [hopefully] unbiased opinion is that her testimony did her no favors thus far. I don't know a ton about a lawyer's restrictions, but wondering why her lawyer didn't advise her not to say that. What was she thinking? (Edit is replacing my last sentence)
@@AliceA333Of course her lawyer is biased, just like the state is biased. The judge understands this. It's a moot point
@@JustKipp I was referring to my own bias rather than the lawyer's.
@@shindles I think the OP is aware of that, and is also referring to her actions.
So, she goes from thinking her son does not have any serious mental issues, straight over to “he’s going to kill himself”. Right.
Not believable. She knew. She couldn’t be bothered to help.
She was busy having an affair with a friend of the family.
Exactly, and she kept saying she didn't think he hurt anyone but at the same time she thought he committed suicide "because that's what school shooter do afterward...".
@@ecclairmayo4153
Good catch. 👍🏻
What?! You make zero sense. As if she would know or think that this kind of thing would happen, especially murdering people. You could tell her mind didn’t even go there so she obviously had no warning signs that Ethan would do anything like this
Already lying 6 minutes in. Her attorney put words in her mouth, thought there were" injuries"? then jc said she "could handle the injuries". Surely, jurors have picked up on this... As well as her previous testimony earlier in the day the lies. Not credible, inconsistent testimony.
Prosecutors will point out jc asked Brian the lover to delete msgs and clear cache..."cash aye" as her idiotic atty pronounced it.
Said she was never charged. Atty: never charged with anything of this magnitude? Jc: not of this magnitude... So what had she been charged with? 🤔
So she can get medical care for herself and her husband (4 Xanax each? Wow) for anxiety but not get it for her son who showed definite anxiety symptoms through his texts prior to shooting.
Ironic she and husband woke up with guns in their face
It seems that anyone having an affair, especially in circumstances where police are about to expose many things in their life, would ask the other participant to delete texts & clear the cache.
I thought she appeared very open considering the circumstances, but I'll have to look at the part you say was definitely inconsistent. But I don't believe the jury will be able to see it again, or get a transcript during deliberations.
She was charged with DUI & check forgery.
Shannon was always whispering and talking throughout prosecutions questioning that listening you could hear and prosecution never whined about it. Surprised she didn't tell the judge to have everyone stop coughing and sniffling too
It's kind of crazy that ppl immediately looked up her LinkedIn on those 1st days to harass her employer, in which way is her EMPLOYER responsible?!? At that point, they didn't even know if Jennifer herself had any culpability. For all they knew the kid had stolen the gun & the mom had been following all the right things to do for Ethan's mental problems, almost no info was out.
Ppl are always looking for an excuse to be aggressive & act like animals, and they somehow think cursing out her boss makes them any better than her whatsoever.
Exactly, and very well said.
@@JustKipp Thank you
You can thank Trump for the aggressiveness and animalistic behavior in our country right now. He encouraged it for 4 years and still does.
@@Raccoon_Mama. Unfortunately, ppl have been this way long before Trump. I've always noticed that urge that many have to lash out at whoever they can, when they believe it can be excused. So since it's popular to dislike/hate the parents at the moment, ppl felt they can get away with venting out their aggression on the employer.
@@shindles They are very aggressive. Which isn't surprising, considering I see this a lot when something tragic happens to a child as well.
Her attorney has some issues, her attorney seems unprepared for court
She's the same attorney who defended Larry nassar the gymnastics pedo.
What she pay...$200 for this Defense lawyer?! She's a fuckin air head! And the Judge has no clue what's going on half the time!😂 I know the prosecution has a great time Drinkin and talkin about both!😂
Yeah this defense lawyer is terrible, she seems a little crazy herself LOL
They both have the drinkers face
The way she shrugs and casually says “I thought he was going to kill himself “ like that’s no big deal says a lot
Excuse me, it is your job as a parent to teach your child not to harm other people
What evidence have you seen that suggests she didn't teach him that? Of course she taught him that! Really?
follow your logic, if somebody did a crime, their parents also must go to prison? no parents want their children to go to prison and hurt others. However, the decision remains with the child, not the parent and is irrational and illogical and seems nonsensical to others to be responsible for other person's actions and horrible choices.
The shooter was FIFTEEN years old. Mom and Dad fascilitated the crime. Four children are dead because they facilitated the crime.
Looking at the jury on every answer is irritating and doesn't help her. She "wouldn't change anything" huh? WOW.......
I could barely make it through direct.....that attorney is irritating in every way....voice, actions lack of self-awareness.
Literally the reason we are here is because she should have changed something. She cousk have at least thought of ONE thing she couks have changed!
It makes no sense that they didn't at least reach out to the police department once they heard they were charged. If they felt unsafe showing up at the station (her only reason for not turning themselves in that night) then call the station, say where you are and that you feel unsafe. They'll come pick you up. Basically her lawyer's terrible advice turned them into fugitives when Jennifer thinks it was all innocent. Or what about a phone call from the lawyer to the police saying "They'll be there tomorrow morning" and the police saying "no, they need to come now". Any communication would have helped. What a shit show.
Nah ..attorney knew that to "turn themselves in" on a Saturday would be better and in a smaller station. Then the attorney tries to blame the commissioner for not "getting" back to her...
This is the same attorney Larry Nasser had. Good for us. Bad for her.
Odd that she doesn't recall advice given from a coworker but recalls so many other details. Especially when advice from the coworker was unique.
Her lawyer has to correct her when she tries to say she's never been in trouble with the law. She has a drunk driving conviction and was busted for passing a bad check.
Dad was in arrears for 2 other kids by 2 separate women. Also has a drunk driving conviction. Bought gun illegally for Ethan. Refused when Ethan asked to see a Dr. For mental health issues.
Pictures show a house in disarray with an empty bottle of whiskey next to Ethan's bed.
It also sounded like she was saying the bank already owned everything..the house, the cars...
You knew he was having issues so you handed him a gun. Makes perfect sense
Gave her son a weegy board. Satan and his demons are all about that. She opened the door for all negative emotions. Hence, their troubles for the whole family.
Yes! That is exactly where mom and dad went wrong..I would think demons are taking over the son's life since he has been playing with it for years.
Same
Yea don’t fuck around with a Quija board!
She almost had me fooled. Almost. When she hesitated when asked if she was the victim that was the nail in the coffin. Her answer should have been a firm 100% "I'm not a victim, my husband's not a victim, and my son is not a victim. The victims are the people my son killed and injured, and every single student, staff member and community member that was terrorized that day. Not my family." The jury is going to rake her over the coals for that.
Exactly. I'm not sure of counsel was telling her that or not...but its certainly the nail in the coffin if that's the last few things the jury heard from the day
Can’t believe how she has no problem lying about staying at the art studio and thinking about turning themselves in. It’s literally laughable!
WE SHOULD BE PRAYING FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED .
Thank you, agree.
I am heartbroken for ALL
@@kathylynn7705100 percent amen yes!!! My heart is so broken for everybody, including this woman AND her husband. 😓🙏
That’s biblical but responsibility is also biblical
I absolutely agree with you.
Amen
If she thought he'd kill himself bc he said "i love you" why not lock up gun
by then 4 people were dead, too late. What were they thinking buying him a gun in the first place.
"On my burner phone". So sketchy.
I'd hate to be a juror and having her look at me, constantly.
I know they tell her to look at the jury when she talks, but they dont know that there a lot of us who would be turned off by that.
Standard protocol to look and talk to the people that are going to decide your fate because they need to try to read your facial expressions when telling a story or giving testimony to determine if what your saying is factual. In the Melly trial the judge actually made a witness move their hair out of their face when testifying for this reason.
That profile isn't much better.
Perhaps Ms. Crumbley received a discounted rate for this attorney's retainer fee.
Lol hopefully she did cause if I hear um, okay,and then correct any more I am going crazy... what a sad sad story. So many lives ruined and lost!!!
That "lawyer" is horrible.
@@kristirudolph7504OMG, right! She's just the most grating woman!!!
You mean she's paying for this nit wit to represent her?!...🙄😲
Thankfully, this is the same lawyer Larry Nasser had
Just irresponsible parents and missing isdues with their son. Who the hell buys their child, a teenager a GUN??? So stupid and just horrible.
UBELIEVABLE!!! She was more worried about her son killing himself and, there lives being threatened. Nevermind the 4 innocent children who were executed by her son. Plus, the ones he injured wow! Not surprised they filed charges on these parents. 😊
jennifer you are not a victim !!!!
She certainly isn't the only one, but yes she absolutely is a victim. 100! This wasn't her fault or negligence.
Decent hotel? They’re not the kind of people that stay or look for decent hotels. Also.. I don’t think her husband has to worry about her having any affairs on him anymore lol.
She was his third baby mama.
Her attorney is horrible.😳
And did she seriously say that she wouldn't have done anything different? Like maybe you would have not bought your child a gun and left it for him to grab?
Her demeanor is so weird the way she looks at the prosecutors with hate, the way she talks this woman is weird and a really bad mother
She isn't doing herself any favors. Jurors' don't like that smart ass shit.
I don't think she's looking at them with hate, I think she's afraid. I'd be scared, too.
She is so full of bulshit, she bought the gun, she saw the drawing on the math test, it was her job to check the kids backpack!
she should known Ethan drawn that pics on math worksheet thats something immediate reaction that had guns at home. She will have alot of explain when prosecutors cross examination tomorrow
Have you watched 30 minutes of the trial? No! She didn't buy the gun, and just because her husband did doesn't even make him culpable. You don't understand the law.
@@marlons4122Please watch the entire trial. That is just ridiculous.
He husband bought gun and illegally gave it to a minor per previous testimony. This is how poor parenting, lack of discernment, and parental emotional abuse can get you dragged into court. Plus they fled...for obvious reasons but yet they never addressed his fears, paranoia, depression which she was aware of according to her testimony. They gas lighted the kid surrounding the "ghost". Didn't answer his multiple texts begging she come home as she was out drunk on the horse...as she testified.
The school should have searched the back pack!!
That would have prevented this entire sad situation!!!
Yes we as parents have a role but so does the school!!
Parents bought the gun they should have locked it up not allowed a teen access to it unless going to shooting range with them!
But I don’t believe they should be accountable for what the son did!
How many other parents have we seen up here after the kids shoot a school!?
How is she going to try to tell the jury NOT to listen to the coworker with sense?! The coworker didn’t want to deal with you and she gave you sound advice jerk… the same advice that anyone would! Have a day with your kid, take him home! Duhhhh! Bihh
Enough from her and her Defense Atty. Plz. find her Guilty. She didn't pull the trigger on that gun but the blame is 100% hers and her husband...tell ur sob story to your inmates.
Her explanation is full of holes.
Omg shes cold as ice.
I bet the prosecutors are rubbing their hand together. Cos all this thing dod was blame everyone else amd shes a liar liar pants on fire
She is definitely a liar. She consistently lies throughout her testimony. Evident to the most casual observer
Ok, so at 06:19, this so called defence lawyer, 🙄 is LITERALLY testifying!, & all with no objection from the prosecution! 😖 A trial this important, being tried by these people! Yikes! Who else would be at least, uncomfortable, leaving the jury, pondering the fact that in ANY WAY, these parents consider themselves "victims?" I know I wouldn't ! Tomorrow should be interesting! See y'all then!...
Open and shut case against the parents. They were called to the school, saw the disturbing drawings and writings and still withheld the fact they had bought him s gun the week before. What's more, they REFUSED to take him home and get him mental health.
Her testimony did her no favors. I actually think worse of her now. I didn't think that's possible. Her attorney seems to be making it worse for her as well. Her initial string of questions sounded like what would've come from the prosecution rather than the defense. It sounded as if the attorney was getting it on the record that her client has no case for "ineffectual counsel" because she knew all the dangers of testifying.
It's open and shut. They were negligent when they hid from the school that he had a gun and refused to take him as requested. Parents are the main problem with schools today. They view teachers and principals as the enemy
She’s such a god awful liar omg😂😂😂😂
I do the same thing with my texts. I keep the main people I text on the screen.!! Her personality makes it hard to like her.
Very snotty and off putting she is…
The defense is building the prosecutions case.😅
She is very well spoken and appears to being honest.
She testified already that her son was on Dad’s insurance and that after he lost his job in October she planned to add him to her insurance during open enrollment in November and at which point they’d have pursued other medical options. Obviously without insurance the cost of a shrink alone ($300-$800 per hour) is prohibitive let alone insurance rejecting her son’s preexisting condition if they’d tried to see doctors before enrolling. And who’s to say that seeing a shrink would have changed the outcome.. people in care don’t all go on to heal and besides, shootings don’t happen everyday, it’s like 1 in 300million and so unless she was psychic, how was this unfortunate mom supposed to foresee her son being a shooter and especially if it’s never even happened in the entire state of Michigan? Let’s be very weary of passing judgement because this could just well be anyone dealing with a tough teenager and faced with only so many options. And shrinks aren’t a magic bullet either, many people have gotten worse and so it doesn’t guarantee anything or that it would somehow reverse the incidents.. we see vets commit suicide everyday even during medical care and so again I insist, it’s a classic hypothetical that if they’d gone to see a shrink that day that it would have somehow lifted all their problems and cured the boy. Unless you haven’t dealt with a tough indignant teenager, it’s always easier said than done and not to forgot, hindsight is always 20/20!
If they are charging the parents , They need to charge the school as well . They should charge everyone who knew and didn’t stop him . If that’s the case.
The first part of your name clearly is fitting for you sir!
The school didn't buy him a gun. I understand your point though
@@thomasprisco1880 why send a kid back to class who is drawing such violent pictures. Should’ve just kept him in detention for the remainder of the day. Or the school should’ve called the police.
@@Breezy-o1w i understand but why send a kid who just drew him shooting up the school back to class . Keep in detention or call the police . No one took it seriously sadly .
@@thomasprisco1880 I’m not saying she shouldn’t be charged but a lot more people could have stopped it as well . Parents or school officials didn’t take it seriously .
Is this woman defending her😮
I wonder if she picked the Barbe Doll Lawyer on purpose so she can claim poor council.
Just watched the x exam. She looked really bad. She may very well be found guilty. Nice job prosecution
Where did they find the Barby Doll Lawyer? So histrionics ...what law school did she go too?😵💫
My heart breaks for this mom. Any parent would think where they went wrong. She is like so many parents that can't.believe that their children are capable of anything so heinous. I truly think that she is enduring much suffering. Ethan is paying for his actions. Believe me that I Also feel sad for the victims and their families, but in reality five families have lost children. I beg for mercy on the Crumbley's behalf, they have suffered
enough.
Hard to feel sorry for someone who still says she can't think of even ONE thing she could have done differently. She would do it all the same.
@@ecclairmayo4153she’s charged with involuntary manslaughter which requires evidence of foreseeability. If she admits she should have or would done something differently she admits guilt. The lawyer should have asked that in a better way but she sucks so she made her look horrible
why did she buy him the gun in the first place?
She never thought her son was going shot anyone
the defense attorney has caused me to talk to my computer saying WTF ??? many times during the testimonies I have been watching. Now saying the word "object" is very distracting. Such a strange word "OBJECT" to be used in a court room.
OMG it's crazy to me that some parents expect schools to parent their child while washing their hands...It's her son they are talking about...how many times in messages did he reach out to his mother and father...he was a nuisance to them. They are disgusting people. Rot in jail. She lacks any real emotion...she is weird...
They fact ..They still tried to flee with no concerns of their child and the victims , only themselves. Ridiculous. Even with the Casey Anthony case the grandparents didn’t try to flee .
@alice
Î feel for her. She clearly has emotional issues HERSELF.
Why would the parents get charged when their son pulled the trigger
The dad bought the guns I know
But the son took the gun
Because as a parent who sends their child out into the world with others, YOU, are responsible for the damage they do, when you fail to see the warning signs. This child needed intervention, & anyone with the IQ of a watermellon, can see the from the testimony this far. It's like if you own a dog. If you allow that dog out off leash into the community, & it rips someone's face off, guess what?, you're responsible! It's no different. Ask yourself this; why are they called children? Why don't we call them, small adults? Why do we have children's hospitals? Because they are not small versions of adults. Their brains are not fully developed. They require the assistance/ caaretaking, of adults, to survive to an age where they can live on their own. Until then, a parent is assigned to them, & is "responsible" FOR them. If & when you neglect that responsibility, then that makes YOU, the responsible person. It's all part of the social contract...hope that helped!..take care!...💁🏻♀️
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Nobody should be punished for the actions of others. This poor woman is not responsible for her son's actions.
I understand. There is a "felony murder law" that also does this. So for example; 4 teens rob a store & agree not to hurt anyone, but something goes wrong & only 1 teen decides to shoot, all 4 are charged with murder. We should have murderers locked up for murder, and burglars locked up for burglary. If they feel she was negligent, charge her with negligence. Manslaughter is unintentionally killing somebody, but killing somebody nonetheless.
Except they bought him the gun. Did not secure it properly or supervise their child appropriately. Further, they deliberately overlooked his mental crisis.
Their outright negligence directly led to this travesty.
That said, I do see why many think they should not be charged.
@@jenmdawg @jenmdawg Dad bought him the gun, legally. The parents claim it was secured & Ethan discovered where/how to access it, and the State hasn't proven otherwise that I've seen. They also say they weren't aware he was having a mental health crisis, which may also be true. I think they were paying less attention to Ethan than they should have, which is unfortunately common.
Shes not a poor woman!!! she doesnt care about her son and ignored all the signs! shes a bullshit artist!
@@AliceA333You cannot legally buy a gun for a juvenile. The gun wasn’t locked up, which was proven when police served the warrant and found that the lock on the case had not even been taken out of its original packaging. She KNEW Ethan had mental problems and even texted a friend that he was “depressed.” This lady’s text messages alone are enough to convict her. She even sent a picture of that scary drawing to a friend and said she thought Ethan was going to do something stupid.
Ironic that a Trumper is getting death threats. I'm sure her and hubby have sent out a few.
What does Trumper have to do with anything
Grow up
I just don’t understand and I don’t get it how these parents are responsible for what their kid did. I was raised with guns. There was guns all around me and I was a typical teenager. I don’t think today should get this punishment. I just don’t and I know I’m gonna get a bunch of replies, saying that they neglected him and all this crap, if that’s the case that every school shooter, their parents should go through the same exact thing I’m sure they were in complete and utter shock. She loves her son look what happened. Everybody is hurt in the situation everybody nothing good comes out of this he admitted what he did was wrong he took responsibility for it. How many people do you need to put in prison for one person’s actionand bringing up the whole her having an affair. What does that have to do with anything?
I don't agree with you, but I have a question. Do you believe, there was nothing the parent could have, or should have done, that would have kept this from happening? Also, can you think of things your parents did, that perhaps, if these people would have done, could have kept this from happening? You ask a fair question, rd now many people need to go to prison? I honestly think, that very possibly, the authorities in this area, are frustrated, & fed up, & figure, let's prosecute the parents, & see if we can't frighten people into being better parents, & sadly, the answer is no. No you cant! So, that's what I think anyway! Take care! 💁🏻♀️
All of this testimony shows how neglectful they were of their son, and then they buy him a gun KNOWING he had serious mental and spiritual issues.
Yes, she is guilty of being an unattentive paerent, but she shouldnt be charged for manslaughter. When we allow a jury to decide about the evfectivness of parenting we are treading too deeply into our personal lives.