Youre one of the only gun tuber guys that actually lowers the volume for the shooting sequences, or at least matches it to the speaking portion of the video. It is very annoying always having to adjust my speaker system volume during these types of videos.Thank you very much for doing this. Very good reviews. I have had about 4 different 365s myself. The best shooting/looking/ergos is a 365xl slide, irons only, on an icarus ace 365 xl metal frame. Super simple, sleek, accurate, etc @21oz.
Objectively and demonstratively false claims, but at least you're happy with the video. I think too much was overlooked to sing praises about the magazines, which are really a separate product/development entirely.
Great review, but you missed my favorite: the P365X. For those who pocket carried their original P365 with the 12 round mag, and wanted the flat trigger, with a slightly larger beaver tail, the P365X was a perfect upgrade. In fact, I upgraded my P365 to the P365X for under $100 by swapping in the P365X grip and replacing the trigger (and adding a larger mag release). I also carry 14+1 with the Magguts +2 kit. And to complete the perfection, I carry it all with Underwood's 90 gr. +P Xtreme Defenders, which overcome the poor expansion even the best JHPs produce with their superior terminal performance (due to cavitation)--and with the extra benefit of a little less recoil.
I love a 90gr bullet in a 9mm. The 90gr XTP on top of 7gr of Vihtavuori 3N37 is the most powerful 9mm round I've ever loaded. Gets 1475fps out a 4" barrel, silly
I’m only 47 seconds into the video and I’m ready to offer my opinion. I went from conceal carrying a Sig P938 to conceal carrying the original P365. The difference in weight and thickness IN REALITY between those two guns is huge, even though it may not be on paper (keep in mind I carry in an OWB leather pancake holster with a twelve round magazine). The whole point of the P365 is more fire power in a small firearm. I would stick with the original if anybody is trying to decide. FYI… It’s been a great gun for me; I hope everyone else that has one feels the same.
Also a little surprised the "x" was left out. I diligently researched all the models and ended up with the 365x and couldn't be happier with it. I did however go with the Romeo elite edition with the suppressor height sights, knowing that I was going to replace the Romeo with a Holosun. The x model also has the flat trigger, which is better in my opinion than the trigger on the og. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them though. I would be happy to own one of each!!
the P365x is the best. i literally can't find anything wrong with it. perfect size grip (for my hand), the controls all fall where i need them to (for my hand), extremely comfortable to carry since it is so thin and light, the trigger is more than decent (i am a big fan of flat triggers as well), accepts a red dot...what more could you want from a cc gun?
I felt it was coming, you hosted a Sig 365 Family Reunion and we were all invited. Well done and packed with tons of useful information. Equal to if not better than the Smith&Wesson Shield 2.0 you held about a year ago. The pains you go though to put the right gun in the holsters of your viewer’s surpasses every single gun guy on UA-cam. And your in great company because there are some great presenters out there, but the effort you put into backing up your wise opinions just far exceeds them all! No one, and I repeat no one works harder on comfortable CCW than you do.
I have owned many variations of the Sig p365. I ultimately settled on the P365 XL with a Wilson combat grip and the tungsten weights. I also have a Holosun EPS carry MRS and suppressor height sights. I carry it in a tier 1 concealed axis elite holster with a spare 17 Round Mag .I love the way it carries, and I love the way it shoots.
Xmacro Tacops is a champion of carry pistols. Shoots like a dream and holds 17+1. The magwell flare and the large backstrap really allow for a good full grip. Coupled with a Holosun EPS Carry and Streamlight TLR-7A, I don’t see myself wanting for another carry gun any time soon.
Other than not having the light, that’s my set up. Having said that I’ve been considering an original P365 as a pocket/ultra concealed carry. The mag well can print at times.
I have the original P365 from 2018 and intend on keeping it but I agree with your selection of the XL as best. Longer sight radius plus longer barrel for significantly improved ballistics.
I started out with the basic, then upgraded to the P365X because I wanted the full size grip. The extended mag on the original left a wobbly gap that pinched my finger when I fired it. The straight geometry trigger and optics mounting plate were a nice bonus.
Bought the Wc grip for the xl. Love it. Purchased the macro and put a Icarus grip on it. ( Cabella points). Wow! The hump in the back of the grip "pushes) my hand high and tight under the beavertail. When I grip the Wc grip it is very comfortable , but I now realize my large hands aren't as high on the gun. To be honest, I haven't shot the macro yet, nor did I give the factory grip a chance.
Also one of the overlooked yet brilliant marketing decisions at its inception was factory tritium night sights as standard. That was an industry changer alone.
Missed one model. 365 X-macro tac ops. I fell in love with how this pistol felt in my hand, like it was meant to be in my hand. No comp, longer barrel, optic cut. 17 round magazines, magazine well flare. I’m accurate and I can conceal it well.
Just got it a month ago. Best carry gun on the market. Put Holosun EPS carry green dot 2moa, and olight mini 600 lumens with green Lazer tactical light. Sweet set up
I have the 365xl Spectre (non-compensated) as well as a 365 on which I installed a Sig flat trigger. Factory iron sights. Kinda 3 guns (actually 4) for the price of 2. The Spectre is one of my very favorite pistols. The grip with the enhanced texturing just fits my hand perfectly, and I find it noticeably more pleasant to shoot than the 365, which I use for mostly pocket carry. Just a great series of firearms from Sig, well-supported in the aftermarket.
FYI, the curved trigger has more room inside the trigger guard to fit a gloved finger. The trigger pull force at the tip of the trigger is identical between the flat and curved trigger which varies from about 3.5 lbs to 4.0 lbs depending on the tolerances of the springs. If you have a large diameter finger you will be pulling the flat trigger at nearly the same place as the curved trigger and the pull force will be between 7 and 8 lbs. If you have a thin finger you can pull the trigger closer to the tip which will increase the leverage and reduce the pull force to around 5.5 to 6 lbs. With the curved trigger, the contact area on your finger is larger so there will be less pressure per square inch on your finger when you squeeze the trigger. With the flat trigger there will be reduced contact area on your finger, thus increasing the pressure per square inch and there will be a greater range of pressure on your finger as you squeeze the trigger. Some people may interpret this as better control. Some people may perceive that the flat trigger breaks more cleanly, but that is perception and not reality.
@@Lexicologist1971 I prefer the curved trigger because my finger will contact the trigger at the same place every time, and that should theoretically make my shooting a bit more uniform.
I went with the P365X from the OG P365, as I really like the longer grip and the flat trigger! I’ve cried the P3635 from the start but really like the P365X
I’m looking for a pocket carry, and checking the P365 line. Your VLOG was super informative and enjoyable to watch. I felt like an amigo was giving me (and my wife) straight talk. Be well. Thanks!
I love my Macro, its the best compact pistol I own. The 17 round capacity combined with the thin profile is perfect for concealment. I have the Mossberg MC1 its the same size as the Macro but that Macro is way better. That middle ground texture on the grip isn't super aggressive when its pressed against your body during warmer days for CCW. Everybody has different sized hands and different training experiences. The whole which is better will depend on the person. I have learned over the years how to be able to conceal almost any handgun and use it effectively in almost any scenario. Good review though
I love the SIG x macro too! Couldn't get over the 17 rd capacity, compared to my M&PShield plus at 13 rd. The grip size and texture works perfectly for me. The trigger could be better, but I love it.
You are not required to fully fill the magazine. 😂 They’re all awesome…minor trade offs with each. Personal preference is why there are multiple versions.
The 365x should have been included in this comparison. It has all the pros of the xl in a slightly smaller package and in my opinion is the better option.
My wife just got the P365-380 kit and a FCU and she loves it for the range. It helps teach proper grip, costs a bit less to shoot and is just a great range pistol overall. And with the FCU she can get a 9mm complete upper and grip module and have exactly the firearm she wants to carry. 380 prepares you for the snappier 9mm carry, even though it is less recoil, it still teaches grip mechanics and holds. i love the modular concept...wish they'd been offering that the whole time...Imagine the possibilities!
I'm happy with my original P365 and my XL. both shoot great and function reliably. I guess I got lucky, my XL came with the Romeo Zero red dot and it was pretty much spot on out of the box. Of course the zero will vary with different ammo but adjusting it is easy.
Thanks so much. I'm 61 yoa retired mechanic, lots of strains and hand and wrist injuries, they all healed well, now arthritis. I'm struggling with my grip strength on my original p365. I've had and have, sidearms I can grip well still, 1911 for instance, we all know the pitfalls there. p365 is only one I will actually carry, the others to are too bulky. I'm leaning toward the XL after watching but still undecided. Thanks again.
I had a 365 in my hand one time. An instructor let me use his after our class was killing it with the 320 carry. I immediately fell in love with the green dot. One day when I leave CA I will buy one. It's pretty insane.
I love my S.A.S! Took me a bit to get used to the sights, but now I'm surgical with it! I run it in my pocket with a De Santis nemesis holster, with the 12 round mag plus one in the pipe, and a 17 round mag as a backup. It's the most comfortable firearm I've ever carried. Mine is the non ported version. Been thinking about throwing a flat trigger in it.
@@ofeliaolvera1389 try compensating for that by adjusting your trigger pull. It took me a bit to get used to it, and I have to keep training with it, because I shoot other firearms as well, but how else are you supposed to get to Carnegie Hall 😂
@@8Soul88 First, I do own and shoot a SAS 365. Second, those sights are somewhat adjustable. Loosen those two screws and you can cant the sight a little to either direction, and a little go's a long ways! Don't get me wrong. I love to see those guys stand there and slowly put a whole mag on target, but in a self defense situation the first shot is the one that counts the most to me. I practice a smooth draw with all my handguns with the muzzle high, and as the front sight hits the target in pushing the gun out, while bringing that rear notch around the front sight and squeeze of the round. With the SAS I draw muzzle high, cover the target with the muzzle, then use the same push the gun out and up, and like majic there is the green dot in the pipe on target as I squeeze of a shot. Don't forget, these sights are for SELF-DEFENSE ranges, not 25 yard ringing steel!
You left the best 365 out! I started with a standard 365 and absolutely loved it until I began timed defensive drills. I discovered that the recoil with that small a gun made it uncontrollable at speed. At the recommendations of several range officers I tried bigger guns. The bigger the gun the better I got. I got rid of that 365 but I sorely missed the size and portability of the 365. Then I discovered the best 365, the 380! It’s recoil impulse is very close to a 22 lr! It fast, it’s flat, and it’s extremely accurate!! It’s nothing short of incredible! While it doesn’t have the power of a 9, a 9 in a 3” barrel is nothing to write home about. I’ve yet to have anyone shoot it that wasn’t impressed.
When I started buying pistols a few years ago, a friend of my spouse met us at a local gun shop and talked carry guns with us for an hour or two. That friend left us with a short list of what they considered good carry guns for our purposes, and the SigSauer P365XL was on the list (as was the Canik TP9SC and the CZ P10S). Over the next month or two, I bought a P10S and a P365XL, figuring my spouse would prefer one and I would use the other (I have reasons for being flexible on that that aren't relevant to the current discussion). Over the next few months, I had a chance to shoot a P365SAS, and found that I liked the P10S better than either of the SigSauer options. Since I am "of a certain age," and am dealing with age-related presbyopia, and since I saw a local gun shop with special pricing on a SigSauer Romeo Zero RDS, I decided to try one on the P365XL in the inventory. My spouse decided that she could do the administrative handling of that gun better than she could of any other gun in the safe (the collection had grown to include a CZ P10C and an M&P M2.0 sub-compact), so that one is now "her gun." It's a great piece, but I find it a bit narrow for my hands. If I try target shooting with it, I do pretty well, but I do better at rapid shooting drills with my CZ 75D PCR.
After trying out each one I say the XMacro is the best hands down. I run mine as an edc with a TLR7 light and it's flawless. It's the same size as the XDS (with extended mag) I used to carry but offers 7 extra rounds, a compensator, and tritium sights. All my friends have og 365s and XLs and my pop carries a 365x. As much as I've loved shooting them, the grip just doesn't fit my hands. The macro completely eliminates this issue as well as adding on rounds and extra bells and whistles. The spectere comp is a great one too, but honestly isn't worth the price tag at all
I was in this rabbit hole of finding the smallest 9 with max capacity. Slow got to the xMacro, then realized the Glock 19 is the better option which I have had sitting in my safe since I have gotten into guns. Revisit the G19 compare them to all these new 9s. U realize they had it right from the beginning with the G19.
@@markbenjaminh without a doubt the G19 gets the job done flawlessly. I personally prefer the ergonomics of the macro as well as the extra 2 rounds, but yea, if you already have that tool there's no real need to switch to anything else unless you just enjoy collecting
Always worth starting with interchangeability, then specifics of each. For instance: the mags are mostly all interchangeable, with specific buttplate/grip extensions accommodating each grip length; I run a 12-rd XL mag in a standard p365 module with one part swap, and gain a full finger of grip as a result + two rounds.
There are now reasonable prices for the original P365 because the demand has moved on to their newer models plus all the competition from other competitors.
Have an additional thought. I agree with you on the XL being the perfect size. My wife purchased the P365XL Rose and loves it. On the other hand, those slide comps do next to nothing. I've shot my wife's XL Rose with the slide comp against a standard P365XL and I cannot feel any difference at all. Look at that comp on your Specter Comp. The hole through that part of the slide has to be large enough for the entire barrel to fit through it without touching. There is no chamber and there are little to no baffles, so no contained expansion of gasses and nothing for the gases pressing forward to push against. I believe any benefit of the Specter Comp is in your head. One is a customer shop pistol and the other is just much larger and heavier. The porting on the SAS, though quite minimal, absolutely does work. If they come out with an SAS V2 that has tritium underneath the SAS to maintain the dot, I'll probably purchase it for a pocket holster.
I pocket carry all of the 365 variants, including my own macro designs. I put my XL slide on the macro grip and I also cut a macro module to fit my short 365 slide. All are easy to front pocket carry in my FL shorts every day. You just have to wear big and baggy cargo shorts like I do. Your clothing choices should always cater to the guns you carry. The comped slides I don’t care about, since the 365 has always been a soft shooter to me anyway.
Due to FCU modularity, I'd recommend buying the Macro, because its easier & cheaper to size down from the Macro to the XL or the original, than doing the reverse. Unless you plan for pocket carry, I'd argue all the XL / Xmacro slides are superior buys.
I have the original P365 with a Big Dot on it and love it. I always wait atleast a year and a half before I buy a new on the market gun, so I didn't have any issues with mine. It shot flawless right out of the box and now 2000k rounds later not one malfunction, of course I always clean my guns after every range time. To me these guns were invented for deep carry so to me it defeats the purpose to buy the XL models. To me the 365 original shoots as smooth as some of the full size guns. I've gotten so use to carrying micro guns now that I hardly ever carry a full size gun on my person but instead I use them as bedside guns with a light on them .
I’ve shot the standard and the xl at my local range. I think that I don’t love them because I shoot a p320c and G19 normally. And that is what I judge them against. I find the 365 to be uncomfortable to shoot, and hard to be accurate with. But as a “get off me” gun…it could be the best thing out there.
@@pcpolice7937 My son rented an X-Macro. We took turns shooting it. I want to like it. I really do. It’s what I should like in a small handgun. My issue is that I can shoot it into a dinner plate at 10-15 yards all day. I’m used to shooting tennis ball sized groups with the 320. I’m sure l could cultivate enough technique to shoot it better. And it would be comfy to carry. It’s the only pistol I’ve handled that makes me think it would be a great carry for me, in .380.😂 I feel kinda wimpy even saying that. But I’m now old enough to acknowledge my flaws and weaknesses.
My latest P365 is the AXG Legion. To me it is a shade flatter shooting than the XMacro due to heavier frame but not a huge difference. The AXG grip is fantastic. Feels as natural as anything I own with the exception of my P226 X5 Legion, but carry friendlier due to the major size and weight difference.
For 2 years I've carried my XL with Wilson Combat Grip module with my original P365 upper. In relaxed fit jeans even with 12 round mags it is easily concealed and no problem to draw with a pocket holster. Just got my P365 AXG Legion which wasn't available at the time this video posted and haven't shot yet but it feels the best in the hand of all the 365's I've had, which is all (except Specter Comp).
I hear ya on the Iron Sights. Not a fan of red dots myself. Heard they really are better when you practice with them. In the end though, many people lose their ability to use iron sights quickly and accurately, because they get sloppy with the red dot. Have a friend who always used irons (never wanted a red dot).... but then he got one (for free) and used it exclusively for a couple years and now he can't hit anything with iron sights (not quickly or at regular speed). He also has trouble switching targets with iron sights now too. I actually always wanted a red dot, but never tried one, because of this (because of cost mostly, but that's what moved an optic down lower on the list of things I want to try/buy to being a lower priority).
I have the base, the X and the XL. I find that the XL lives in my nightstand, the base is mostly in my safe only coming out when specifically needed and the X is my daily.
My hands are too big for the 365XL. Had one and loved it, but always had an issue with getting good support hand purchase. So, for me, the Macro is the one, been carrying it ever since they came out.
I took my OG 365 slide and fire control and put it in an XL frame. Little more grip and more rounds with the shorter barrel. Best option I found so far for me.
My 365x came with red dot, have yet to get it dialed in. What a pain. Glad to know it’s not just me. Thanks for taking the time time to put this together. Happy new year
I'd like to just take a moment to appreciate the fact that anyone could pick a new EDC every month and it would take years to run out of great options. As Sootch00 always says, we are living in the Golden Age of guns
I went with the P365x. Way better than my first gun Springfield XD Mod2. Smaller, great 12 round mags, 14+1 with the magguts. Now I have to order 10 round mags since Oregon decided to limit our carry rights.......that aside and the Terrible Romeo Zero red dot, it's been a great gun!!
I agree, more capacity> better concealment. I think a lot of people that concealed carry don't realize the stress they will undoubtably be under in a situation where the have to use their gun. Unless you have taken hours upon hours of force on force training where the stress levels are high and you've been able to train yourself to that level of stress, its better to have a backup plan for when SHTF. That back up ultimately needs to be more rounds. One thing i will say to oppose my previous point though, if the difference between someone actually carrying their gun vs leaving it at home is 2-5 extra rounds in a slightly larger mag/gun, then ultimately, carrying the smaller gun with less capacity is the way to go. But if either is comfortable enough to carry every day, i'll always choose more capacity.
In my opinion, the P365 and the "XL" aren't even the same gun; they're completely different in every way except the fire control module. Sig should have called the XL the P265 to properly indicate that it's not really a P365. This analysis isn't unique the P365 lineup, but that is our current example. The "best" P365 for some people is the .380 version. I enjoy shooting larger, heavier pistols and revolvers in everything from 9mm to 44 Magnum, but in a lot of my life circumstances I can't carry a large firearm. With a gun this small and light -- the sort of gun I'm usually carrying -- follow-up shots are far easier to get on target with a "lighter" round. There are two key things for an effective EDC firearm: actually carrying the gun, and getting rounds on target. All the penetration and expansion in the world does you no good if you miss the target, and if you left your big, heavy, hard to carry gun at home...well, at least you won't have to worry about getting rounds on target. Some will argue otherwise, but proper, modern .380 rounds on target are going to do the job.
And I was going to say also forgot the 380 that they made as well. Very similar to regular 365 as far as feel and grip. Going back to the 365 I moved away from them to jump into the 43X, 48, and 43………..but those Sig’s………I miss em. I should have never jumped out of them to start with, but I already made some custom jobs on the Glocks that I have invested a lot. 🤦♂️ These pistols got me like cell phones…….I want the new stuff all the time 😅. Great information today partner 🤘 thanks for what you do.
I bought the 365xl w/ Romeo and a 43x, planned to spend time shooting both then sell the one I didn't shoot as well. Ended up keeping both, I get trigger bite (pinch) with the glock but I feel that I can shoot both well.
I love my XL! I bought mine like a month before the Comp came out and swapped grips for the pic rail and the +2 more capacity, but I carry it every day and its a lot lighter than the P320 Xcarry that I swapped from.
I'm joining all the comments here...I wish the 365x was included. I think it gets overlooked as most people just compare the original to the XL. I had to drive almost 2 hours to find a gun store that had one and I'm glad I did! Couldn't be happier with it, although I bought it with the plan of swapping out the Romeo zero elite for a holosun.
My go to carry configuration is the 365XL with a Wilson Combat 10 round 365 grip with a 12 round mag, For summer time concealability I carry with a 10 round mag with a pinky extender. The Wilson Combat grip feels much better in my hand than the Sig 10 round grip. With the 12 round mag the grip height is the same as the Sig XL grip My home defense choice is an 3.7 inch barrel version of the XMacro with a light and a Holosun 507K green dot. The slides and FCUs are interchangeable between between the models so I can choice to carry with or without the Holosun green dot. Great flexibility which was not touched upon in this video.
I ended up buying the original P365 version earlier this month. I’d fired an X and handled the XL and the Macro, but also wanted max concealment. Will probably pick up an X grip module and mags for those times I want a bit more grip when not carrying in my pocket. For the money, Sig offers better sights and better trigger. I will eventually get a Macro or XL. I concur with your opinion with red dots over sights. I have one gun with a red dot but the jury’s still out for me. Anyway, great video!
I bought a original P365 not long after they came out. I had my name on my dealers list. My EDC is a P238 .380 now days, as it slips in my front pocket in a DeSantis holster. I live in small town rural Texas. If I need to go to a large city I will carry my P226. I own other guns besides Sig Sauer. Depending on my clothes and where I am going. I carry at work, grocery store, Walmart and Church. Shorts my S&W Airweight is my choice. Carry what works for you. I am always armed.
If its a Sig, mine are metal framed models I think Sig's shortcoming is the lack of grip side contours, not enough palm swell. My Lg/ ExLg glove size hands need more width to fill my palms. That why I love my H-K VP9 SK and Walther PDP Gull Size, and my Steyr M9 C2MF, AND my Walther P99 Final Edition. come on Sig, get some fuller, side palm filling grips. Your P226 and other P22X family are mechanical winners👍 This was a great presentation ✌️✌️
I started out with the 365 Macro - became my main carry weapon 90% of the time. Just started to upgrade it with the modular options Sig now offers. At first I bought an SAS slide - I was sold on the videos and talk about the ring and dot .... biggest regret in a purchase from Sig - aligning the ring and dot out of the holster just did not work for me - I could pick up the HD X-ray front sight on the original slide without issue on every draw, and the SAS slide is now in a sealed bag waiting for a trade/barter option down the road if I can find a sucker. I just bought the XL Comp slide and put it on the 365 Macro ... I immediately saw a difference - no so much with recoil reduction, but with follow through recovery and able to get back on target quicker. However; the longer slide on the compact 365 Macro frame was off balance with the 10 round magazine - but worked well with the 12 round magazine, other than the occasional pinch on my finger because of the gap between the grip and the magazine extension. But with the 12 round magazine, the balance and performance were amazing. So, another upgrade - I bought the XL laser etched grip and swapped out the fire control assembly, essentially turning the 365 Macro into a 365 Specter Comp for half the price. I don't regret the expense, I still have the Macro grip and 365 Macro slide, and can go back to the compact configuration if needed, but probably never will - and having the 365 Macro for over 4 years now, the expense of the upgrades is absorbed. Now looking at a flat trigger option, but looking more at after market triggers rather than the Sig molded trigger ... am also running a Romeo-X on the new set up which has the circle and dot configuration which has been working well with my prescription glasses so far - and the after market slide option has the high profile X-ray sights - so I can co-witness. All in all, the P365 is one of the best pistols I have ever used, and this is coming from a 1911 guy ... which is what I carry the other 10% of the time when I don't have the 365 - either a 4" barrel Springfield, or my STI Duty One with a 3" barrel - which is amazing - I guess you always seem to favor the first one you ever trained with and became good with, but the 365 has changed my carry game forever! Awesome video ... Keep them coming!
I went after a edc a year or so and decided on the Sig P365xl. Then I got the offer for the red dot Romeo. I never used a red dot but free to me, ok! I installed it even though I saw so many negative post on the Romeo. Today I’ve carried it for over a year on my 365xl and over 2k rounds, 200rds a month for a year. Not one issue.
Because of the modularity, I kept changing grips and slides as new things came out. Then I realized I had enough extra parts to build a new p365 model with just a new FCU purchase. My current EDC is the X Macro grip on an X slide with a Herrington Arms Comp.
I have every Single Sig P365 from the Very First Edition to the X Macro personally my favorite is the Macro only because of the 17 Round Capacity but the Shooting prowess of the XL because of how straight it shoots
The FCUs are all the same. If you want to compare triggers you need to do it with the SAME P365. The differences in trigger pull between the various versions of the P365 is due to tolerances in the trigger return spring, the sear spring, the striker safety spring, and internal resistance. Polish the rough trigger linkage bar where it contacts the sear and you eliminate most of the grittiness and much of the variation between the different P365 versions that you tested.
I've got an Xmacro, I love it. Don't care for the Romeo zero that's on it but the pistol itself is great. It's one of my two carry choices. My other is my 43x with shield and flush fit 15rd mags and holosun 507k red dot.
Mommy's top was just too darn close- fitting for any kind of concealed carry. Really well done video! I'm a fan of how you actually speak like a normal person, instead of the phony "sophisticated" every vowel pronounced 'long' of the others.
I have that as my EDC. I put on a custom pic-rail and have an OLight BALDR green-laser and light on it. It has 600lums. Perfect for home defense and night or low-light. I sleep well at night. Peace and Freedom for All Americans. Stay safe out there.
The best 365, in my opinion, is the 365XL/Macro tacops slide with the original 365 grip module. You get to have the longer slide but have the flexibility to minimize your grip module with a 10rd mag or go up with a 12rd+ mags if you want the XL grip module experience
Great video and explanations, and I would like to add one point...Expelled gasses from the ported barrel or compensated X-Macro Slide. I fired P365X and X-Macro on a recent trip to a free state and I would not be comfortable at all carrying a ported barrel or the X-Macro Slide. I've had all sorts of duress firearms training and shooting a firearm with a ported or compensated barrel is not ideal. My answer was to build myself an XL-Macro, so a frankensig with a bigger Grip module for my Hulk sized hands, more capacity, longer barrel, less recoil and no comp. I also bought the DPM system for recoil reduction, so I still get the minimized recoil from a "compensated slide", but without the gasses and other stuff that comes out of the compensated slide or a ported barrel. Overall, for me, it's the best solution for an EDC. I love the P365 for the modularity and customization that can occur by using a FCU and grip modules/slide combos. My favorite carry pistol by far are the Sig Sauer P365 series, though I also have every small Glock, a few Taurus Micro's and a Hellcat Pro, but Sig P365XL-macro beat them all for reliability, fit and finish.
I just purchased the X Macro (non compensated version). I will say my opinions are somewhat biased because I conceal carried G19s and later the p320 for work. So because I have grown so accustomed to concealing larger pistols, I already had established work arounds for carrying them. The macro offered me duty capacity, long sight radius, and the added weight has a small benifit with recoil management for follow on shots. The downsides to carrying it are spot on, but like I said I have a biased outlook because i am so used to carrying larger pistols already. This video is a great starting point for people to make informed decisions on what works best for their situation.
XL is the best 🤦🏽♂️ It can take the smaller 365 frame or the larger xmacro without giving up the 3.7 inch barrel. I don't understand how people like the X more. Why would you want a shorter barrel? The difference isn't noticeable for ccw but it is noticeable with accuracy, velocity and recoil.
As a gun shopper I am deciding on the model 365 I want , not to be critical but for me (dummy) , it would have been great if the guns displayed on the table could have been marked with their model style # .,I do appreciate your proficiency with all the pistols .
All links to the original reviews are in the description. LMK your favorite P365 in the lineup. Happy New Year Y'all
The Sig X Macro and Happy New Year
I think the 365 X is the best option optic ready plus your one grip module away from a regular 365 with optics.
Stock 365XL in leather. Adding grip wraps & + zero pinky extension.1 thing!make a non optic ready option on all guns for at least $50 savings!
365x. Which you weirdly left out
@@rvroutdoors2131 it’s basically the XL with a shorter barrel.
Almost every P365 "dude"...you forgot the P365X (short P365 barrel/slide, longer P365XL grip).
that's my gun also
🙋lol
Love my P365x Born and Raised Outdoors-- 12rd mag-- great grip!
EDC 365XL. works for me.
The p365x is the best!
Youre one of the only gun tuber guys that actually lowers the volume for the shooting sequences, or at least matches it to the speaking portion of the video. It is very annoying always having to adjust my speaker system volume during these types of videos.Thank you very much for doing this. Very good reviews. I have had about 4 different 365s myself. The best shooting/looking/ergos is a 365xl slide, irons only, on an icarus ace 365 xl metal frame. Super simple, sleek, accurate, etc @21oz.
Objectively and demonstratively false claims, but at least you're happy with the video. I think too much was overlooked to sing praises about the magazines, which are really a separate product/development entirely.
Great review, but you missed my favorite: the P365X. For those who pocket carried their original P365 with the 12 round mag, and wanted the flat trigger, with a slightly larger beaver tail, the P365X was a perfect upgrade. In fact, I upgraded my P365 to the P365X for under $100 by swapping in the P365X grip and replacing the trigger (and adding a larger mag release). I also carry 14+1 with the Magguts +2 kit. And to complete the perfection, I carry it all with Underwood's 90 gr. +P Xtreme Defenders, which overcome the poor expansion even the best JHPs produce with their superior terminal performance (due to cavitation)--and with the extra benefit of a little less recoil.
You did forget my favorite ; P365X.
Free state reviews are great...Wish i could afford to live in your state!
I love a 90gr bullet in a 9mm. The 90gr XTP on top of 7gr of Vihtavuori 3N37 is the most powerful 9mm round I've ever loaded. Gets 1475fps out a 4" barrel, silly
X is the best
I agree , that’s my favorite P365, P365X
I’m only 47 seconds into the video and I’m ready to offer my opinion. I went from conceal carrying a Sig P938 to conceal carrying the original P365. The difference in weight and thickness IN REALITY between those two guns is huge, even though it may not be on paper (keep in mind I carry in an OWB leather pancake holster with a twelve round magazine). The whole point of the P365 is more fire power in a small firearm. I would stick with the original if anybody is trying to decide. FYI… It’s been a great gun for me; I hope everyone else that has one feels the same.
I concur. I may eventually get an XL but I doubt it will replace the original P365 for carry.
100% agree, thank you.
Same experience here.
Me too! Great edc
Also a little surprised the "x" was left out. I diligently researched all the models and ended up with the 365x and couldn't be happier with it. I did however go with the Romeo elite edition with the suppressor height sights, knowing that I was going to replace the Romeo with a Holosun. The x model also has the flat trigger, which is better in my opinion than the trigger on the og. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them though. I would be happy to own one of each!!
Agreed sir! Is the only difference in the X model the flat trigger?
I keep on searching for videos comparing the X and its like everyone just skips it
@@booger_brain the x model has the "xl" grip module and is optic ready!
Thats what i got!
Man that red dot is off... shoots all head shots but 2
the P365x is the best. i literally can't find anything wrong with it. perfect size grip (for my hand), the controls all fall where i need them to (for my hand), extremely comfortable to carry since it is so thin and light, the trigger is more than decent (i am a big fan of flat triggers as well), accepts a red dot...what more could you want from a cc gun?
That’s my carry gun too
@@PastaMakerCordy-qy4uz Mine as well
P365XL with Holosun 507K and magguts 14 round mag spring is as close to carry perfection as I have found. Super comfortable, super capable.
Well said! I whole heartedly agree with this!
Same set up, love it and wouldn’t change a thing
+ Wilson combat grip module
Imagine calling yourself a patriot and then supporting a Chinese company.
YES!!!!!!
I felt it was coming, you hosted a Sig 365 Family Reunion and we were all invited. Well done and packed with tons of useful information. Equal to if not better than the Smith&Wesson Shield 2.0 you held about a year ago. The pains you go though to put the right gun in the holsters of your viewer’s surpasses every single gun guy on UA-cam. And your in great company because there are some great presenters out there, but the effort you put into backing up your wise opinions just far exceeds them all! No one, and I repeat no one works harder on comfortable CCW than you do.
I’ve got a regular P365 and with the 12 round mag it’s pretty easy to control if you train with it. Headshots from 20 yards on iron sights
I have owned many variations of the Sig p365. I ultimately settled on the P365 XL with a Wilson combat grip and the tungsten weights. I also have a Holosun EPS carry MRS and suppressor height sights. I carry it in a tier 1 concealed axis elite holster with a spare 17 Round Mag .I love the way it carries, and I love the way it shoots.
A Redditors gun if there ever was one 🙄
Currently EDC the original P365, perfect CCW size for me, very easy to wear without "printing", etc.
Does the the job
100% agree. Concealed carry is the goal.
I have the 365, 365xl and the Macro. People can say what they want about Sig. They got the 365 line right !
Xmacro Tacops is a champion of carry pistols. Shoots like a dream and holds 17+1. The magwell flare and the large backstrap really allow for a good full grip. Coupled with a Holosun EPS Carry and Streamlight TLR-7A, I don’t see myself wanting for another carry gun any time soon.
I agree, I have one with a green dot and a large grip on! Shoots consistently close to bulls eye 👁 Love it!
Other than not having the light, that’s my set up. Having said that I’ve been considering an original P365 as a pocket/ultra concealed carry. The mag well can print at times.
I have the original P365 from 2018 and intend on keeping it but I agree with your selection of the XL as best. Longer sight radius plus longer barrel for significantly improved ballistics.
I started out with the basic, then upgraded to the P365X because I wanted the full size grip. The extended mag on the original left a wobbly gap that pinched my finger when I fired it. The straight geometry trigger and optics mounting plate were a nice bonus.
P365X with Holosun 507K is the cats meow for concealed carry
Holosun? No sir, thats for cheap carrying civies
Added Wilson combat grip modules to my 365 and 365xl holosun. Big improvement in grip and comfort, love these guns even more now!
Bought the Wc grip for the xl. Love it. Purchased the macro and put a Icarus grip on it. ( Cabella points). Wow! The hump in the back of the grip "pushes) my hand high and tight under the beavertail. When I grip the Wc grip it is very comfortable , but I now realize my large hands aren't as high on the gun. To be honest, I haven't shot the macro yet, nor did I give the factory grip a chance.
Also one of the overlooked yet brilliant marketing decisions at its inception was factory tritium night sights as standard. That was an industry changer alone.
Missed one model.
365 X-macro tac ops.
I fell in love with how this pistol felt in my hand, like it was meant to be in my hand.
No comp, longer barrel, optic cut.
17 round magazines, magazine well flare.
I’m accurate and I can conceal it well.
Just got it a month ago. Best carry gun on the market. Put Holosun EPS carry green dot 2moa, and olight mini 600 lumens with green Lazer tactical light. Sweet set up
Yes!!!!
The best gun ever for conceal
I have the 365xl Spectre (non-compensated) as well as a 365 on which I installed a Sig flat trigger. Factory iron sights. Kinda 3 guns (actually 4) for the price of 2. The Spectre is one of my very favorite pistols. The grip with the enhanced texturing just fits my hand perfectly, and I find it noticeably more pleasant to shoot than the 365, which I use for mostly pocket carry. Just a great series of firearms from Sig, well-supported in the aftermarket.
My regular old p365 serves me just fine. I carry with a 12 round mag and an extra flush fit 10 round mag. That is plenty of firepower for me.
I do the opposite with the mags but I agree, the original with no modifications is perfect for concealed carry
FYI, the curved trigger has more room inside the trigger guard to fit a gloved finger. The trigger pull force at the tip of the trigger is identical between the flat and curved trigger which varies from about 3.5 lbs to 4.0 lbs depending on the tolerances of the springs. If you have a large diameter finger you will be pulling the flat trigger at nearly the same place as the curved trigger and the pull force will be between 7 and 8 lbs. If you have a thin finger you can pull the trigger closer to the tip which will increase the leverage and reduce the pull force to around 5.5 to 6 lbs.
With the curved trigger, the contact area on your finger is larger so there will be less pressure per square inch on your finger when you squeeze the trigger. With the flat trigger there will be reduced contact area on your finger, thus increasing the pressure per square inch and there will be a greater range of pressure on your finger as you squeeze the trigger. Some people may interpret this as better control. Some people may perceive that the flat trigger breaks more cleanly, but that is perception and not reality.
I really dislike the feel of flat triggers. I like having more contact with the trigger.
@@Lexicologist1971 I prefer the curved trigger because my finger will contact the trigger at the same place every time, and that should theoretically make my shooting a bit more uniform.
@@PierceThirlen2 , we agree again.
Well said. The flat triggers have the same type of sales job as “Glock Perfection”
@@pcpolice7937 LOL, yes, they do!
I went with the P365X from the OG P365, as I really like the longer grip and the flat trigger! I’ve cried the P3635 from the start but really like the P365X
I’m looking for a pocket carry, and checking the P365 line. Your VLOG was super informative and enjoyable to watch. I felt like an amigo was giving me (and my wife) straight talk. Be well. Thanks!
What did you wind up buying? If anything at this point
Please choose Glock, these sigs are not the same
Bought the original p365 and I'm happy with it. Got 2 10rders some 12rders & 15rders good to go.
Same 🙌 but I also got a Spectre Comp in the family.
I love my Macro, its the best compact pistol I own. The 17 round capacity combined with the thin profile is perfect for concealment. I have the Mossberg MC1 its the same size as the Macro but that Macro is way better. That middle ground texture on the grip isn't super aggressive when its pressed against your body during warmer days for CCW. Everybody has different sized hands and different training experiences. The whole which is better will depend on the person. I have learned over the years how to be able to conceal almost any handgun and use it effectively in almost any scenario. Good review though
I love the SIG x macro too! Couldn't get over the 17 rd capacity, compared to my M&PShield plus at 13 rd. The grip size and texture works perfectly for me. The trigger could be better, but I love it.
Carrying every day I’m learning that no matter how big the gun the weight of 8-12 rounds of 9mm vs 15-17 is noticeable.
Especially since the average gun fight goes 4 ROUNDS OR LESS (or you're probably dead anyway); and there's a LAWYER attached to every round.
I agree. I think the xl and macro shouldn't be designated as micro 9's.
You are not required to fully fill the magazine. 😂
They’re all awesome…minor trade offs with each. Personal preference is why there are multiple versions.
@@jcb86-a Thank you JCB86-a haha
The 365x should have been included in this comparison. It has all the pros of the xl in a slightly smaller package and in my opinion is the better option.
Yup
Love it. I have the original P365. One of my favorite concealed carry
My wife just got the P365-380 kit and a FCU and she loves it for the range. It helps teach proper grip, costs a bit less to shoot and is just a great range pistol overall. And with the FCU she can get a 9mm complete upper and grip module and have exactly the firearm she wants to carry. 380 prepares you for the snappier 9mm carry, even though it is less recoil, it still teaches grip mechanics and holds. i love the modular concept...wish they'd been offering that the whole time...Imagine the possibilities!
I'm happy with my original P365 and my XL. both shoot great and function reliably. I guess I got lucky, my XL came with the Romeo Zero red dot and it was pretty much spot on out of the box. Of course the zero will vary with different ammo but adjusting it is easy.
Thanks so much. I'm 61 yoa retired mechanic, lots of strains and hand and wrist injuries, they all healed well, now arthritis. I'm struggling with my grip strength on my original p365. I've had and have, sidearms I can grip well still, 1911 for instance, we all know the pitfalls there. p365 is only one I will actually carry, the others to are too bulky. I'm leaning toward the XL after watching but still undecided. Thanks again.
I had a 365 in my hand one time. An instructor let me use his after our class was killing it with the 320 carry. I immediately fell in love with the green dot. One day when I leave CA I will buy one. It's pretty insane.
I guess you can try one now without leaving ca
I love my S.A.S! Took me a bit to get used to the sights, but now I'm surgical with it! I run it in my pocket with a De Santis nemesis holster, with the 12 round mag plus one in the pipe, and a 17 round mag as a backup. It's the most comfortable firearm I've ever carried. Mine is the non ported version. Been thinking about throwing a flat trigger in it.
Do those SAS sights work in the dark at all?
@@BeSatori they do! I can see the sights clearly in the dark
I want to like my SAS, but having difficulty hitting my target . Still shooting to the left .
@@ofeliaolvera1389 try compensating for that by adjusting your trigger pull. It took me a bit to get used to it, and I have to keep training with it, because I shoot other firearms as well, but how else are you supposed to get to Carnegie Hall 😂
@@8Soul88 First, I do own and shoot a SAS 365. Second, those sights are somewhat adjustable. Loosen those two screws and you can cant the sight a little to either direction, and a little go's a long ways!
Don't get me wrong. I love to see those guys stand there and slowly put a whole mag on target, but in a self defense situation the first shot is the one that counts the most to me. I practice a smooth draw with all my handguns with the muzzle high, and as the front sight hits the target in pushing the gun out, while bringing that rear notch around the front sight and squeeze of the round. With the SAS I draw muzzle high, cover the target with the muzzle, then use the same push the gun out and up, and like majic there is the green dot in the pipe on target as I squeeze of a shot. Don't forget, these sights are for SELF-DEFENSE ranges, not 25 yard ringing steel!
You left the best 365 out! I started with a standard 365 and absolutely loved it until I began timed defensive drills. I discovered that the recoil with that small a gun made it uncontrollable at speed. At the recommendations of several range officers I tried bigger guns. The bigger the gun the better I got. I got rid of that 365 but I sorely missed the size and portability of the 365. Then I discovered the best 365, the 380! It’s recoil impulse is very close to a 22 lr! It fast, it’s flat, and it’s extremely accurate!! It’s nothing short of incredible! While it doesn’t have the power of a 9, a 9 in a 3” barrel is nothing to write home about. I’ve yet to have anyone shoot it that wasn’t impressed.
When I started buying pistols a few years ago, a friend of my spouse met us at a local gun shop and talked carry guns with us for an hour or two. That friend left us with a short list of what they considered good carry guns for our purposes, and the SigSauer P365XL was on the list (as was the Canik TP9SC and the CZ P10S).
Over the next month or two, I bought a P10S and a P365XL, figuring my spouse would prefer one and I would use the other (I have reasons for being flexible on that that aren't relevant to the current discussion). Over the next few months, I had a chance to shoot a P365SAS, and found that I liked the P10S better than either of the SigSauer options.
Since I am "of a certain age," and am dealing with age-related presbyopia, and since I saw a local gun shop with special pricing on a SigSauer Romeo Zero RDS, I decided to try one on the P365XL in the inventory. My spouse decided that she could do the administrative handling of that gun better than she could of any other gun in the safe (the collection had grown to include a CZ P10C and an M&P M2.0 sub-compact), so that one is now "her gun." It's a great piece, but I find it a bit narrow for my hands. If I try target shooting with it, I do pretty well, but I do better at rapid shooting drills with my CZ 75D PCR.
not really the "Full P365 Lineup" like the video suggests. you didn't show/present the P365X.
@John Thomas but he didn’t, so what’s your point
After trying out each one I say the XMacro is the best hands down. I run mine as an edc with a TLR7 light and it's flawless. It's the same size as the XDS (with extended mag) I used to carry but offers 7 extra rounds, a compensator, and tritium sights. All my friends have og 365s and XLs and my pop carries a 365x. As much as I've loved shooting them, the grip just doesn't fit my hands. The macro completely eliminates this issue as well as adding on rounds and extra bells and whistles. The spectere comp is a great one too, but honestly isn't worth the price tag at all
I was in this rabbit hole of finding the smallest 9 with max capacity. Slow got to the xMacro, then realized the Glock 19 is the better option which I have had sitting in my safe since I have gotten into guns. Revisit the G19 compare them to all these new 9s. U realize they had it right from the beginning with the G19.
@@markbenjaminh without a doubt the G19 gets the job done flawlessly. I personally prefer the ergonomics of the macro as well as the extra 2 rounds, but yea, if you already have that tool there's no real need to switch to anything else unless you just enjoy collecting
Always worth starting with interchangeability, then specifics of each. For instance: the mags are mostly all interchangeable, with specific buttplate/grip extensions accommodating each grip length; I run a 12-rd XL mag in a standard p365 module with one part swap, and gain a full finger of grip as a result + two rounds.
There are now reasonable prices for the original P365 because the demand has moved on to their newer models plus all the competition from other competitors.
Have an additional thought. I agree with you on the XL being the perfect size. My wife purchased the P365XL Rose and loves it. On the other hand, those slide comps do next to nothing. I've shot my wife's XL Rose with the slide comp against a standard P365XL and I cannot feel any difference at all. Look at that comp on your Specter Comp. The hole through that part of the slide has to be large enough for the entire barrel to fit through it without touching. There is no chamber and there are little to no baffles, so no contained expansion of gasses and nothing for the gases pressing forward to push against. I believe any benefit of the Specter Comp is in your head. One is a customer shop pistol and the other is just much larger and heavier. The porting on the SAS, though quite minimal, absolutely does work. If they come out with an SAS V2 that has tritium underneath the SAS to maintain the dot, I'll probably purchase it for a pocket holster.
I pocket carry all of the 365 variants, including my own macro designs. I put my XL slide on the macro grip and I also cut a macro module to fit my short 365 slide. All are easy to front pocket carry in my FL shorts every day. You just have to wear big and baggy cargo shorts like I do. Your clothing choices should always cater to the guns you carry.
The comped slides I don’t care about, since the 365 has always been a soft shooter to me anyway.
Due to FCU modularity, I'd recommend buying the Macro, because its easier & cheaper to size down from the Macro to the XL or the original, than doing the reverse.
Unless you plan for pocket carry, I'd argue all the XL / Xmacro slides are superior buys.
I'd probably get the p365 xmacro and a Wilson combat p365xl grip module. Best of all worlds.
Ditto unless you get a Hellcat pro
@@Asidebar still rather have the sig because of the modularity.
You didn't have the 365x
I have the original P365 with a Big Dot on it and love it. I always wait atleast a year and a half before I buy a new on the market gun, so I didn't have any issues with mine. It shot flawless right out of the box and now 2000k rounds later not one malfunction, of course I always clean my guns after every range time. To me these guns were invented for deep carry so to me it defeats the purpose to buy the XL models. To me the 365 original shoots as smooth as some of the full size guns. I've gotten so use to carrying micro guns now that I hardly ever carry a full size gun on my person but instead I use them as bedside guns with a light on them .
I’ve shot the standard and the xl at my local range.
I think that I don’t love them because I shoot a p320c and G19 normally.
And that is what I judge them against.
I find the 365 to be uncomfortable to shoot, and hard to be accurate with.
But as a “get off me” gun…it could be the best thing out there.
Apples to oranges comparison.
Yea I like shooting my P226 Legion SAO too... but I don't carry that thing everyday like my 365...
I think you would like the XMacro feel
@@pcpolice7937
My son rented an X-Macro. We took turns shooting it.
I want to like it. I really do. It’s what I should like in a small handgun.
My issue is that I can shoot it into a dinner plate at 10-15 yards all day.
I’m used to shooting tennis ball sized groups with the 320.
I’m sure l could cultivate enough technique to shoot it better.
And it would be comfy to carry.
It’s the only pistol I’ve handled that makes me think it would be a great carry for me, in .380.😂
I feel kinda wimpy even saying that. But I’m now old enough to acknowledge my flaws and weaknesses.
Great review, but my edc is a P365 with an xl slide and Holoson red dot. The 10, 12, 15, and now 17 rd mags gives the perfect carry for any occasion.
My latest P365 is the AXG Legion. To me it is a shade flatter shooting than the XMacro due to heavier frame but not a huge difference. The AXG grip is fantastic. Feels as natural as anything I own with the exception of my P226 X5 Legion, but carry friendlier due to the major size and weight difference.
The 365 Spectre Comp is the best of them all.
Yes, I’m justifying my purchase. Thank you.
365 X Macro non compensated TACOPS is the best. End
For 2 years I've carried my XL with Wilson Combat Grip module with my original P365 upper. In relaxed fit jeans even with 12 round mags it is easily concealed and no problem to draw with a pocket holster. Just got my P365 AXG Legion which wasn't available at the time this video posted and haven't shot yet but it feels the best in the hand of all the 365's I've had, which is all (except Specter Comp).
I hear ya on the Iron Sights. Not a fan of red dots myself. Heard they really are better when you practice with them. In the end though, many people lose their ability to use iron sights quickly and accurately, because they get sloppy with the red dot. Have a friend who always used irons (never wanted a red dot).... but then he got one (for free) and used it exclusively for a couple years and now he can't hit anything with iron sights (not quickly or at regular speed). He also has trouble switching targets with iron sights now too. I actually always wanted a red dot, but never tried one, because of this (because of cost mostly, but that's what moved an optic down lower on the list of things I want to try/buy to being a lower priority).
I have the base, the X and the XL. I find that the XL lives in my nightstand, the base is mostly in my safe only coming out when specifically needed and the X is my daily.
My hands are too big for the 365XL. Had one and loved it, but always had an issue with getting good support hand purchase. So, for me, the Macro is the one, been carrying it ever since they came out.
I took my OG 365 slide and fire control and put it in an XL frame. Little more grip and more rounds with the shorter barrel. Best option I found so far for me.
My 365x came with red dot, have yet to get it dialed in. What a pain. Glad to know it’s not just me. Thanks for taking the time time to put this together. Happy new year
It really bothers me that they still don't offer the original 365 with an optics cut... What are they waiting for?
I'd like to just take a moment to appreciate the fact that anyone could pick a new EDC every month and it would take years to run out of great options. As Sootch00 always says, we are living in the Golden Age of guns
Sad to see the SAS on this list instead of the 365X. I carry a 365X every day and all day.
I don't think I'd ever hear someone say, I wish I didn't have all this extra ammo in that gun fight.
You’ve never talked to anyone who’s been in a gunfight. Let’s be real.
@@thejaytea24 I believe that was a Clint Smith line!
I went with the P365x. Way better than my first gun Springfield XD Mod2. Smaller, great 12 round mags, 14+1 with the magguts.
Now I have to order 10 round mags since Oregon decided to limit our carry rights.......that aside and the Terrible Romeo Zero red dot, it's been a great gun!!
I agree, more capacity> better concealment. I think a lot of people that concealed carry don't realize the stress they will undoubtably be under in a situation where the have to use their gun. Unless you have taken hours upon hours of force on force training where the stress levels are high and you've been able to train yourself to that level of stress, its better to have a backup plan for when SHTF. That back up ultimately needs to be more rounds. One thing i will say to oppose my previous point though, if the difference between someone actually carrying their gun vs leaving it at home is 2-5 extra rounds in a slightly larger mag/gun, then ultimately, carrying the smaller gun with less capacity is the way to go. But if either is comfortable enough to carry every day, i'll always choose more capacity.
In my opinion, the P365 and the "XL" aren't even the same gun; they're completely different in every way except the fire control module. Sig should have called the XL the P265 to properly indicate that it's not really a P365. This analysis isn't unique the P365 lineup, but that is our current example.
The "best" P365 for some people is the .380 version. I enjoy shooting larger, heavier pistols and revolvers in everything from 9mm to 44 Magnum, but in a lot of my life circumstances I can't carry a large firearm. With a gun this small and light -- the sort of gun I'm usually carrying -- follow-up shots are far easier to get on target with a "lighter" round. There are two key things for an effective EDC firearm: actually carrying the gun, and getting rounds on target. All the penetration and expansion in the world does you no good if you miss the target, and if you left your big, heavy, hard to carry gun at home...well, at least you won't have to worry about getting rounds on target. Some will argue otherwise, but proper, modern .380 rounds on target are going to do the job.
I believe the SAS is designed primarily for a pocket carry, so, to be fair it shouldn’t really be compared to the rest of the 365 lineup per say.
My favorite is the one Not on your list: X model 😂
And I was going to say also forgot the 380 that they made as well. Very similar to regular 365 as far as feel and grip. Going back to the 365 I moved away from them to jump into the 43X, 48, and 43………..but those Sig’s………I miss em. I should have never jumped out of them to start with, but I already made some custom jobs on the Glocks that I have invested a lot. 🤦♂️ These pistols got me like cell phones…….I want the new stuff all the time 😅. Great information today partner 🤘 thanks for what you do.
I love modifications but not on a self-defense carry gun. If it doesn't work I will sell it and get a model that does.
I bought the 365xl w/ Romeo and a 43x, planned to spend time shooting both then sell the one I didn't shoot as well. Ended up keeping both, I get trigger bite (pinch) with the glock but I feel that I can shoot both well.
I love my XL! I bought mine like a month before the Comp came out and swapped grips for the pic rail and the +2 more capacity, but I carry it every day and its a lot lighter than the P320 Xcarry that I swapped from.
I'm joining all the comments here...I wish the 365x was included. I think it gets overlooked as most people just compare the original to the XL. I had to drive almost 2 hours to find a gun store that had one and I'm glad I did! Couldn't be happier with it, although I bought it with the plan of swapping out the Romeo zero elite for a holosun.
my gun store had the carry package with the 365X, 3 magazines, and a nice bag.
My go to carry configuration is the 365XL with a Wilson Combat 10 round 365 grip with a 12 round mag, For summer time concealability I carry with a 10 round mag with a pinky extender. The Wilson Combat grip feels much better in my hand than the Sig 10 round grip. With the 12 round mag the grip height is the same as the Sig XL grip
My home defense choice is an 3.7 inch barrel version of the XMacro with a light and a Holosun 507K green dot.
The slides and FCUs are interchangeable between between the models so I can choice to carry with or without the Holosun green dot. Great flexibility which was not touched upon in this video.
I think the sas sights are a lot better then I thought they would be once you get used to it they don’t shoot bad
I love the 380!
P365xl with Holosun 507k is amazing. My favorite carry ever.
I ended up buying the original P365 version earlier this month. I’d fired an X and handled the XL and the Macro, but also wanted max concealment. Will probably pick up an X grip module and mags for those times I want a bit more grip when not carrying in my pocket. For the money, Sig offers better sights and better trigger. I will eventually get a Macro or XL. I concur with your opinion with red dots over sights. I have one gun with a red dot but the jury’s still out for me. Anyway, great video!
I bought a original P365 not long after they came out. I had my name on my dealers list. My EDC is a P238 .380 now days, as it slips in my front pocket in a DeSantis holster. I live in small town rural Texas. If I need to go to a large city I will carry my P226. I own other guns besides Sig Sauer. Depending on my clothes and where I am going. I carry at work, grocery store, Walmart and Church. Shorts my S&W Airweight is my choice. Carry what works for you. I am always armed.
If its a Sig, mine are metal framed models
I think Sig's shortcoming is the lack of grip side contours, not enough palm swell. My Lg/ ExLg glove size hands need more width to fill my palms. That why I love my H-K VP9 SK and Walther PDP Gull Size, and my Steyr M9 C2MF, AND my Walther P99 Final Edition. come on Sig, get some fuller, side palm filling grips. Your P226 and other P22X family are mechanical winners👍
This was a great presentation ✌️✌️
SIG needs to put an optic cut on the original P365, its the only thing left behind on that design compared to the newer models.
I started out with the 365 Macro - became my main carry weapon 90% of the time. Just started to upgrade it with the modular options Sig now offers. At first I bought an SAS slide - I was sold on the videos and talk about the ring and dot .... biggest regret in a purchase from Sig - aligning the ring and dot out of the holster just did not work for me - I could pick up the HD X-ray front sight on the original slide without issue on every draw, and the SAS slide is now in a sealed bag waiting for a trade/barter option down the road if I can find a sucker.
I just bought the XL Comp slide and put it on the 365 Macro ... I immediately saw a difference - no so much with recoil reduction, but with follow through recovery and able to get back on target quicker. However; the longer slide on the compact 365 Macro frame was off balance with the 10 round magazine - but worked well with the 12 round magazine, other than the occasional pinch on my finger because of the gap between the grip and the magazine extension. But with the 12 round magazine, the balance and performance were amazing. So, another upgrade - I bought the XL laser etched grip and swapped out the fire control assembly, essentially turning the 365 Macro into a 365 Specter Comp for half the price.
I don't regret the expense, I still have the Macro grip and 365 Macro slide, and can go back to the compact configuration if needed, but probably never will - and having the 365 Macro for over 4 years now, the expense of the upgrades is absorbed. Now looking at a flat trigger option, but looking more at after market triggers rather than the Sig molded trigger ... am also running a Romeo-X on the new set up which has the circle and dot configuration which has been working well with my prescription glasses so far - and the after market slide option has the high profile X-ray sights - so I can co-witness.
All in all, the P365 is one of the best pistols I have ever used, and this is coming from a 1911 guy ... which is what I carry the other 10% of the time when I don't have the 365 - either a 4" barrel Springfield, or my STI Duty One with a 3" barrel - which is amazing - I guess you always seem to favor the first one you ever trained with and became good with, but the 365 has changed my carry game forever! Awesome video ... Keep them coming!
They are all phenomenal EDC options. All great shooters. It mostly comes down to personal preference.
I went after a edc a year or so and decided on the Sig P365xl. Then I got the offer for the red dot Romeo. I never used a red dot but free to me, ok! I installed it even though I saw so many negative post on the Romeo. Today I’ve carried it for over a year on my 365xl and over 2k rounds, 200rds a month for a year. Not one issue.
Just what the internet needed....another P365 video.
My X Macro came with the Romeo Elite AND suppressor height sights.
where's the 380?
Because of the modularity, I kept changing grips and slides as new things came out. Then I realized I had enough extra parts to build a new p365 model with just a new FCU purchase. My current EDC is the X Macro grip on an X slide with a Herrington Arms Comp.
I just bought a New 365 XL with Romeo that has suppressor height front and rear night sites. So you can use either or sites
I can see that not including the P365X is not important, but I was hoping that maybe you were going to include the Sig P380.
I have every Single Sig P365 from the Very First Edition to the X Macro personally my favorite is the Macro only because of the 17 Round Capacity but the Shooting prowess of the XL because of how straight it shoots
The FCUs are all the same. If you want to compare triggers you need to do it with the SAME P365. The differences in trigger pull between the various versions of the P365 is due to tolerances in the trigger return spring, the sear spring, the striker safety spring, and internal resistance. Polish the rough trigger linkage bar where it contacts the sear and you eliminate most of the grittiness and much of the variation between the different P365 versions that you tested.
Well said
The best P365 comparison video, you’ve helped me make my decision and you’ve also gained a big fan. Thank you very much, H Hirsch
The best P365 is the one that doesn't fail over and over and its name is??? The Shield Plus or M&P 2.0 Compact
I've got an Xmacro, I love it. Don't care for the Romeo zero that's on it but the pistol itself is great. It's one of my two carry choices. My other is my 43x with shield and flush fit 15rd mags and holosun 507k red dot.
Mommy's top was just too darn close- fitting for any kind of concealed carry. Really well done video! I'm a fan of how you actually speak like a normal person, instead of the phony "sophisticated" every vowel pronounced 'long' of the others.
i got the OG and for a big dude its quite comfortable to wear all day
365 XL along with a 15 round extra mag is the best solution I have ever found.
I have that as my EDC. I put on a custom pic-rail and have an OLight BALDR green-laser and light on it. It has 600lums. Perfect for home defense and night or low-light. I sleep well at night. Peace and Freedom for All Americans. Stay safe out there.
@@amanhasnoname3447 I think it holds its own against any pistol especially a G19
15rd is a good mag, but the 17 is not much bigger and gives full size capacity
Also I went ahead and sprung for the Wilson Combat grip module and the pistol is basically perfect now.
The best 365, in my opinion, is the 365XL/Macro tacops slide with the original 365 grip module. You get to have the longer slide but have the flexibility to minimize your grip module with a 10rd mag or go up with a 12rd+ mags if you want the XL grip module experience
Great video and explanations, and I would like to add one point...Expelled gasses from the ported barrel or compensated X-Macro Slide. I fired P365X and X-Macro on a recent trip to a free state and I would not be comfortable at all carrying a ported barrel or the X-Macro Slide. I've had all sorts of duress firearms training and shooting a firearm with a ported or compensated barrel is not ideal. My answer was to build myself an XL-Macro, so a frankensig with a bigger Grip module for my Hulk sized hands, more capacity, longer barrel, less recoil and no comp. I also bought the DPM system for recoil reduction, so I still get the minimized recoil from a "compensated slide", but without the gasses and other stuff that comes out of the compensated slide or a ported barrel. Overall, for me, it's the best solution for an EDC. I love the P365 for the modularity and customization that can occur by using a FCU and grip modules/slide combos. My favorite carry pistol by far are the Sig Sauer P365 series, though I also have every small Glock, a few Taurus Micro's and a Hellcat Pro, but Sig P365XL-macro beat them all for reliability, fit and finish.
I love the OG, it's the perfect ankle gun for me 😅
I just purchased the X Macro (non compensated version). I will say my opinions are somewhat biased because I conceal carried G19s and later the p320 for work. So because I have grown so accustomed to concealing larger pistols, I already had established work arounds for carrying them. The macro offered me duty capacity, long sight radius, and the added weight has a small benifit with recoil management for follow on shots. The downsides to carrying it are spot on, but like I said I have a biased outlook because i am so used to carrying larger pistols already. This video is a great starting point for people to make informed decisions on what works best for their situation.
You can buy 17 round sig mag for the XL also. Expensive, but available. I have them in my XL at home & 12 rounders for carry.
XL is the best 🤦🏽♂️ It can take the smaller 365 frame or the larger xmacro without giving up the 3.7 inch barrel. I don't understand how people like the X more. Why would you want a shorter barrel? The difference isn't noticeable for ccw but it is noticeable with accuracy, velocity and recoil.
As a gun shopper I am deciding on the model 365 I want , not to be critical but for me (dummy) , it would have been great if the guns displayed on the table could have been marked with their model style # .,I do appreciate your proficiency with all the pistols .