Great until the point you mentioned over-striding. The foot lands ahead of the body because you're moving forward and it's their to catch your forward momentum, absorb it and propel you forward. The over-striding comes when someone lands ahead of their centre of mass and their foot is fully planted but their hips are still behind the ankle so you start trying to absorb your weight whilst your foot is outreached. His form is actually excellent on that point. The only time our foot doesn't land ahead of the body is if we're running on the spot.
Trevelyan Harper Great insight! I actually had a discussion about this later with other running experts. First, the view of where I pointed it out was definitely not the best angle. It looks way more exaggerated than it actually appears. Second, you are correct about where foot placement should be actually be in relationship to the center of mass of the body. The faster the speed, the more the center of mass is shifted forward, which is why short distance sprinters seem to look like they are overstriding, but really are not. In the end, after looking are more views, we ended up still seeing a SLIGHT overstride, but definitely not as pronounced as it originally seemed to be. Anyway, side note, I decided to take a look at your channel. I just wanted to say I enjoyed your recent videos. I hope you continue to make more!!
Hey JP, thanks for the reply. Yea, I think the analysis in your video is very good. Your channel has some very cool vids that I've been watching for a while. Thanks for checking out my channel! I've got loads of content in the pipeline. Sub and stay tuned! It'll be great to see what you think of my form video I'm about to put out.
Thanks for all these studies,i had to run 1 km in 3.50 for a military test but last week last week when i tried the km on the track i was not able to break through 4.10. Today just by adopting proper technique i was able to run it in 3,46 and i felt like i could keep that phase much longer.
Height advantage also plays a role the way it did for King Bolt.If you are tall and happen to be fast, then you have it all.You make one stride while others make two.Its enviable.
True, height is definitely a factor. Whats interesting though is that height doesnt directly factor into increased step length. Like Michael Norman (6 ft 2) has a shorter step length than Wayde Van Niekerk (6 ft)
The next two fastest men in history were not tall. Sebastian Coe was 5ft, 9in...Wilson Kipketer was 5ft,11in. The problem with these types of analysis are that there must be something different, something they're doing right, a physiological reason for why some people excel. The truth being big or small, talented people reach their potential through hard work, and dedication. Michael Johnson ran like he had a stick up his backside.....but he was fast!
should have mentioned his great ankle dorsiflexion and forward lean during his late support phase wich doesn't lead to too much vertical bounce but more horizontal propulsion. It's called ankle rocker.
Yes form is a lot, but also it depends on strength, and how your lungs, blood system all work to get the energy to your muscles and , getting the lactic acid out. . So genetics, form, mental toughness, training , all of the above.
The forward lean doesn't look like he's leaning at all cause it's a slight lean, kinda hard to notice it if you don't look closely or know about running
Used to do some track as middle distance runner, but i learned a lot about analyzing movement from working with people as a physical therapist as well as doing tons of research
Appropriate point; everyone talks about his perfect form till someone with a completely different style breaks Rudisha's record; even though that might not happen for a long while. But like Michael Johnson in the 200m; he had that straight up, even kinda leaning back style in the 200m and he had the World Record in that distance and still one of the fastest times in History.
OHAPPYDAY If they have a proper track, you're at the track, not at the gym. The gym is most likely an addition to the track. How long is it? What distances do you run? And you can't run on a threadmill if you have a stride longer than 1.5m, aka slightly longer than a jog
Notice his heel never hits. Basically, all elites are that way, up to the marathon. It's the most efficient stride if you can maintain it, but it takes unique power to weight to do it at the long distances (smaller and lighter, but still long legs in proportion). Ex 800m guy here and Rudisha is a treat to watch: an amazing runner for the ages.
Do you think he would run an even faster time if he didn't slightly over stride? Or does this possibly help him in this particular distance but consequently cause the knee issues?
Great question! Exchanging some risk of injury for improved force production is a concept mostly seen in power lifting. However, overstriding is not like that. As for increased speed, generally its actually better to get that foot closer to the body instead. Keeping the foot out actually slows down leg turnover a bit. Looking back at this video, he he didnt overstride that much, but coincidentally, the footage I was looking at closely, caught one of those moments. I hope that makes sense!
Great analysis apart from one thing. He does NOT over stride! If he did, he would not be the word record holder. It appears he is because he is not being filmed in proper slo-mo. If you look carefully, in the last instance, when his foot is an inch off the ground, it dives under his pelvis, exactly where it should be. Otherwise he would be break running. This happens at the last instance because he is going so fast. You can't lean forward and do this if are running slow because you will fall forward. It also appears he is over striding because his legs are so long. But he has the most perfect form of anyone I have seen. The only runners who come close are Coe and Kipchoge.
Jupiterbase13 Yeah, it doesn't matter as much!! I talked about it in a previous comment here, but yeah, since he has a nice forward lean and he is running at INCREDIBLE speeds..therefore body weight is shifted forward, the overstride is definitely not as pronounced as it looks in the video
Your arms aren’t supposed to go side to side, you’re body and legs follow your arms, if you pump your arms faster your legs will go with them, and if your arms are side to side your body sways side to side, preventing full acceleration, basically what I’m saying is, rudisha could break 1:40 if he fixes his arms
You are incorrect on the 'leaning', he is actually very upright. The spot you chose to use shows him clearly in the take-off phase if you look at his foot. Go back one second and you will see his true landing spot which is very upright. Overall his form is near perfect and his speed comes from an incredible stride (flight) length.
There are similar video's, like 'The Secret to Running Faster 800m'....it's all bollocks. The best shine, they don't necessarily conform to the perfect body shape or technique.
Your analyses are incredibly useful. Cycling technique does not receive half the attention running does. Will you please dedicating some analyses to cycling technique? Get a cycling expert friend of yours and with your strategies to analyze, cycling technique would boom. Please, help us. If you don't have the time or not so interested
#In case you are not interested in cycling, teach somebody how to use the tools you use to describe movements to a cycling fan you can find among your friends. Please, this is badly needed. Cycling technique is way too ignored.
Thank you very very much!!! I certainly appreciate it. I hadn´t seen your answer until today, so today I asked you again. It'd be great for cyclists and swimmers to have a couple of your friends doing graphic analyses of great performers the way you do it!!!
Ahh I agree with you. To be honest, looking back, I knew forward tilt was helped, but I misunderstood the reasoning. The reason is more likely due to improved positioning for the hip extensors to produce force and slight increase in forward momentum...not gravity
@@JPGloria Right!!!! What I really meant there is not such thing as GRAVITY!!!!! I know, I know, I know what you think now......what is this punk talking about......well gravity is a theory and I know it's a famous one, however does not exist, there is density differences between bodies, objects etc, so what goes up must come down, and lighter things floating upwards in the vicinity of heavier or denser ones.................. :)
To keep speed and endurance balanced is such a difficult thing to do. The 800 M is an underrated event.
It's the most tactical event of all. It's just between the short and long distance events. It requires skills for both.
@@georgewatsulu2626 800m is the toughest event in track and field. it combines speed and endurance to the fullest.
By whom ?
Its the toughest event.
Very good breakdown man! I am always fascinated with Running, it is a true test of mind over matter. Great commentary!
Great until the point you mentioned over-striding. The foot lands ahead of the body because you're moving forward and it's their to catch your forward momentum, absorb it and propel you forward. The over-striding comes when someone lands ahead of their centre of mass and their foot is fully planted but their hips are still behind the ankle so you start trying to absorb your weight whilst your foot is outreached.
His form is actually excellent on that point. The only time our foot doesn't land ahead of the body is if we're running on the spot.
Trevelyan Harper Great insight! I actually had a discussion about this later with other running experts. First, the view of where I pointed it out was definitely not the best angle. It looks way more exaggerated than it actually appears. Second, you are correct about where foot placement should be actually be in relationship to the center of mass of the body. The faster the speed, the more the center of mass is shifted forward, which is why short distance sprinters seem to look like they are overstriding, but really are not. In the end, after looking are more views, we ended up still seeing a SLIGHT overstride, but definitely not as pronounced as it originally seemed to be. Anyway, side note, I decided to take a look at your channel. I just wanted to say I enjoyed your recent videos. I hope you continue to make more!!
Hey JP, thanks for the reply. Yea, I think the analysis in your video is very good. Your channel has some very cool vids that I've been watching for a while.
Thanks for checking out my channel! I've got loads of content in the pipeline. Sub and stay tuned! It'll be great to see what you think of my form video I'm about to put out.
His life style from a young age allowes his running form
@@eriksteenkamp3621 and his long ass legs and speed and strength training?
@@stayontrack kuh-B@@M!!! T A L E N T 1st
thank you so much, this will help in my 800 meter run...
Your welcome! I hope it helps as well!!
800 metres the real running race to know the strength in men's.
It is such a tough race
bro i accidentally clicked on your profile and those women were indeed beautiful
400m aswell
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@@flackosammy1931 LMFAO
Thank you for the analysis
Thanks for all these studies,i had to run 1 km in 3.50 for a military test but last week last week when i tried the km on the track i was not able to break through 4.10.
Today just by adopting proper technique i was able to run it in 3,46 and i felt like i could keep that phase much longer.
I did not know that running can also be analysed like that. Thank you
Youre welcome! Thanks for the support :)
Height advantage also plays a role the way it did for King Bolt.If you are tall and happen to be fast, then you have it all.You make one stride while others make two.Its enviable.
True, height is definitely a factor. Whats interesting though is that height doesnt directly factor into increased step length. Like Michael Norman (6 ft 2) has a shorter step length than Wayde Van Niekerk (6 ft)
The next two fastest men in history were not tall. Sebastian Coe was 5ft, 9in...Wilson Kipketer was 5ft,11in. The problem with these types of analysis are that there must be something different, something they're doing right, a physiological reason for why some people excel. The truth being big or small, talented people reach their potential through hard work, and dedication. Michael Johnson ran like he had a stick up his backside.....but he was fast!
12.61375 per 100 = 140.91
If 12.0 seconds per 100m = 1.36 BIG difference. Two laps of 48
Nice calculation. Yeah thats definitely a big difference!
This made me feel better knowing that I am at least faster for the first 200m.
To break it down he was the only one in different shoes 1:40
ooo, nice observation!
Lol just noticed everyone had neon green shoes on them.
Johnlik27 so in order to be fast, wear different shoes?😂
@@andrewcochran9943 Lol but really some shoes have different grip than others and more or less friction
Anyone noticed that this guy was the only one wearing red shoes.
Main character
His speed secret
K A N Z Ass
Addidas.
Haha definitely all in the shoes
should have mentioned his great ankle dorsiflexion and forward lean during his late support phase wich doesn't lead to too much vertical bounce but more horizontal propulsion. It's called ankle rocker.
I have my 800m race in a little over a week for intermediate girls (I’m 12) and hopefully these tips will help!
:)
Yes form is a lot, but also it depends on strength, and how your lungs, blood system all work to get the energy to your muscles and , getting the lactic acid out. . So genetics, form, mental toughness, training , all of the above.
Interesting, I have never thought of any of this before. Nice to see it broken down like this.
Thank you!!! I appreciate you watching my content!!
The greatest middle distance runner of all-time.
The forward lean doesn't look like he's leaning at all cause it's a slight lean, kinda hard to notice it if you don't look closely or know about running
clips theonly yeah, I agree!
do you run track, if you do then what events?
Used to do some track as middle distance runner, but i learned a lot about analyzing movement from working with people as a physical therapist as well as doing tons of research
JP Gloria that's really impressive. Do you mind if I message you on UA-cam or do you have an instagram ?
clips theonly I dont mind at all! You can definitely message me on Instagram @jp_gl0ria
800m is my main race who else?
What do you make of Nijel Amos' form in this race? He's running like a madman!
I think of his form exactly as you put it..he runs like a madman haha!
@Newromantic999 very useful comment... Stfu
Appropriate point; everyone talks about his perfect form till someone with a completely different style breaks Rudisha's record; even though that might not happen for a long while. But like Michael Johnson in the 200m; he had that straight up, even kinda leaning back style in the 200m and he had the World Record in that distance and still one of the fastest times in History.
He floats
Good point with the arms
Analyze Nigel Amos next
Thank you so much! I'll definitely look into him as he has an interesting running form
awesome video
I felt like I needed this. I actually don't know how to run lol when I try to run in the gym I constantly trip. Its a serious problem.
Oh noooo haha!!!!! I hope this helps a little :P! Also, I appreciate you stopping by!!!
If you're at the gym, you're most likely jogging in which case this won't help at all.
You run at the gym??? They have a track and a treadmill
OHAPPYDAY If they have a proper track, you're at the track, not at the gym. The gym is most likely an addition to the track. How long is it? What distances do you run? And you can't run on a threadmill if you have a stride longer than 1.5m, aka slightly longer than a jog
physical specimen, if the race was to be sculptured, he did it!....
Notice his heel never hits. Basically, all elites are that way, up to the marathon. It's the most efficient stride if you can maintain it, but it takes unique power to weight to do it at the long distances (smaller and lighter, but still long legs in proportion).
Ex 800m guy here and Rudisha is a treat to watch: an amazing runner for the ages.
Do you think he would run an even faster time if he didn't slightly over stride? Or does this possibly help him in this particular distance but consequently cause the knee issues?
Great question! Exchanging some risk of injury for improved force production is a concept mostly seen in power lifting. However, overstriding is not like that. As for increased speed, generally its actually better to get that foot closer to the body instead. Keeping the foot out actually slows down leg turnover a bit. Looking back at this video, he he didnt overstride that much, but coincidentally, the footage I was looking at closely, caught one of those moments. I hope that makes sense!
he does not overstride you just have to look at the angle of his foot exactly at the landing time and you will see
Damn can we please get one of Bekele, I mean he’s the man. Please make one of him I need to mimic his form
Of course! I'll look into him!! Thanks for the feedback
JP Gloria make sure you talk in it and describe it also thanks
Great analysis apart from one thing. He does NOT over stride! If he did, he would not be the word record holder. It appears he is because he is not being filmed in proper slo-mo. If you look carefully, in the last instance, when his foot is an inch off the ground, it dives under his pelvis, exactly where it should be. Otherwise he would be break running. This happens at the last instance because he is going so fast. You can't lean forward and do this if are running slow because you will fall forward. It also appears he is over striding because his legs are so long. But he has the most perfect form of anyone I have seen. The only runners who come close are Coe and Kipchoge.
Sir plzz make a video on Usain bolt and analysis him
interesting but PLEASE turn that music off or down.
Haha yeah I realized that as well! Thanks for the feedback :)
i do 800 meters
great
I like radisha
yeah hes amazing
Thrusting leg extension? Height of foot as it brushes backside?- improving cyclic action efficiency? (compare to other runners)
I'm so happy you didn't call this a dash
I saw u had 599 likes i added one more👍
Oh thank you so much!
But since at front he took all the wind resistance
An 800 is the perfect race for me because I’m not a sprinter and I’m not a long distance runner
His toes are pointing up a lot too, that can cause issues in the shin area
I dont think that slight overstride matters with that foreward momentum
Jupiterbase13 Yeah, it doesn't matter as much!! I talked about it in a previous comment here, but yeah, since he has a nice forward lean and he is running at INCREDIBLE speeds..therefore body weight is shifted forward, the overstride is definitely not as pronounced as it looks in the video
0:35 it’s about 12.6 the difference between 12 and 12.6 is tremendous you’re going from 1:40 to 1:36. I don’t mean to be that guy I’m just saying
Yeah you're right about the specifics! Those last seconds really do mean alot, especially with this kind of race!
He runs with a stride rate of 205 spm, a bit slow. Probably the reason why he has to overstride. Works for him though
Height variable-inseam etc
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Did you happen to look at stride rate jp?
Looks like 205 strides per min, a bit slow. This is probably the reason why he has to overstride. Works for him though
Your arms aren’t supposed to go side to side, you’re body and legs follow your arms, if you pump your arms faster your legs will go with them, and if your arms are side to side your body sways side to side, preventing full acceleration, basically what I’m saying is, rudisha could break 1:40 if he fixes his arms
Bolt body type. I S H. Cannot FAKE a longest stride. Bolt Mu Warholm
He stride is by definition not overstriding. It’s the model for what is most effective. The proof is in the result, not some half baked theory.
You are incorrect on the 'leaning', he is actually very upright. The spot you chose to use shows him clearly in the take-off phase if you look at his foot. Go back one second and you will see his true landing spot which is very upright. Overall his form is near perfect and his speed comes from an incredible stride (flight) length.
When fatiguing he was over striding a little
Yeahhh, youre right!
There are similar video's, like 'The Secret to Running Faster 800m'....it's all bollocks. The best shine, they don't necessarily conform to the perfect body shape or technique.
What is his cadence though??
I 2nd this request. Did you calculate stride rate?
Either lower or drop the music and we have a Grade A athletics video.
Your analyses are incredibly useful. Cycling technique does not receive half the attention running does. Will you please dedicating some analyses to cycling technique? Get a cycling expert friend of yours and with your strategies to analyze, cycling technique would boom. Please, help us. If you don't have the time or not so interested
#In case you are not interested in cycling, teach somebody how to use the tools you use to describe movements to a cycling fan you can find among your friends. Please, this is badly needed. Cycling technique is way too ignored.
I'm glad you enjoy these videos! I do have a few friends that are experts in this. I'll see what I can do to make this happen!
Thank you very very much!!! I certainly appreciate it. I hadn´t seen your answer until today, so today I asked you again. It'd be great for cyclists and swimmers to have a couple of your friends doing graphic analyses of great performers the way you do it!!!
Im 15 now its 2019/07/11 when im writing im 2003/12/?? and i run 800
meters in 2.02 and 1500 meters 4.17
Am i fast ?
So ?
@@Evanflow69 yes i am
@@Mar-hr5ov NO YOUR NOT IM A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL I CAN RUN A SUB 2 800M AND A SUB 4 1500M
@@Evanflow69 what?
i dont know how either but thats what i run
analyze mike Norman running the 4
Ooo nice suggestion! I'll definitely add him to the list of runners. Thank you!!
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I am going to break the 800m record... remember the name David O...
kim collins, please please please and million thank you´s
For 800m weight training is essential?????
Not necessarily essential, but its a very good supplement to add to your training for the 800m
Yes obviously
Ok
Sebastian Coe in this modern era would break 1.40
It would be amazing to see what he can do with what we have now!
Coe ain't even in the same conversation with rudisha....rudisha is the goat in 800m
How did you edit?
I use Adobe animation and premiere
Bruh i run kinda like this and the coach keeps telling me it’s wrong
I run the 800 and my best my time is 2:35
Nice!
If your best is 144 in 800 you can't win 4 positions . The knowledge is the matter
Kinda runs like Shane tominaga
While explaining y this fucking bgm .is it necessary
Yeah sorry about that man! I realized that after the upload...I'm more aware about toning down the bgm since that video
He is leaning foeword
Seems like the same level of eapm science, interesting and slick, but half wrong
You know your stuff, lose the music tho
Dude gravity???? Really??????..........................
Ahh I agree with you. To be honest, looking back, I knew forward tilt was helped, but I misunderstood the reasoning. The reason is more likely due to improved positioning for the hip extensors to produce force and slight increase in forward momentum...not gravity
@@JPGloria Right!!!! What I really meant there is not such thing as GRAVITY!!!!! I know, I know, I know what you think now......what is this punk talking about......well gravity is a theory and I know it's a famous one, however does not exist, there is density differences between bodies, objects etc, so what goes up must come down, and lighter things floating upwards in the vicinity of heavier or denser ones.................. :)
no
YES
Can't u shut that background music while speaking? Or at least make it less? It's hard to hear a damn thing u r saying
My time 1:56