Goldentyre 'fatty' front tyre long term review GT216AA 90/100︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Our review of the Goldentyre 'fatty' front tyre, the GT216AA 90/100, after 20 rides. This is the wider higher version of Goldentyre's well known GT216AA and it's been a great tyre in all conditions so far and very little wear.
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There's always the risk of thinking just because some top riders are paid to use a certain tyre they must be good.
But the Goldentyres are the standard tyre for almost all the top extreme enduro riders whether they are sponsored
or not, and on the quiet some riders are even using them although sponsored by other manufacturers. I'd already
used a GT216AA front on the old KTM 250EXC with great results, and took a punt on what is called the fat or fatty
version.
It's higher and wider, and you can tell just by looking at it on the bike. It's been getting used a lot in the
extreme enduro events, but has been getting good reviews for everyday dirt riding as well.
The bigger footprint and grip sounded great, my main concern was whether it would slow down the steering of the
Beta too much, as unlike the KTM it doesn't have that twitchy front end but feels nicely planted already.
First impressions? It didn't affect the steering adversely at all. If anything the Beta simply felt more planted
and even more stable in a straight line at speed. At low speed, it was the same. It doesn't seem to need any
extra effort to steer, but that big footprint makes for great stability and the Beta is even easier to balance
at a stand still if needed.
The traction is brilliant... the stock Goldentyre front was a grippy little son of a bitch and this is just more of the same. The fat tyre has a good stiff
sidewall so this tyre can be easily run at zero PSI with the TUlbiss system, or up to 4psi for hitting hard edges at speed if needed.
While the high profile of the fatty looks a bit weird on the bike, it's great for soaking up those hard hits too - it does feel as though you've got an extra inch of front fork travel and a bit of extra plushness over rocky terrain or landing from jumps - sweet.
As with the standard GT216AA front, traction was great in all terrains... mud, dirt, wet rocks, off camber, loose rocks, downhills, grass. It opens up new possibilities for diving into corners under brakes, the front tyre flattens out and grips like mad and haven't really found the new braking limit as yet.
Riding in soft sand was brilliant - it just stays on top of the sand at ridiculously slow speeds.
A big thumbs up in all respects.
For anyone who feels their bike is skitterish in the front end, I'd strongly recommend this tyre before looking at steering dampers. I especially think KTM two stroke riders would love this tyre.
The down side? If you are obsessed about weight, it is a tad heavier than a standard tyre, although if you have a twitchy front end that extra rolling mass will be a plus.
I suspect on any bikes where the steering is already close to being a bit slow, this tyre could make the bike less inclined to drop into corners. I can't find any reports on this, but logic would suggest this may be the case for some heavier four stroke dirt bikes.
If you do a lot of sand riding, as mentioned it's brilliant at riding over the top instead of digging in. However, this may mean it's less likely to carve in if you do a lot of aggressive cornering in soft sand. Again I can't confirm this as I don't ride like that, but it could be an issue.
The extra grip is great, and it takes a fair bit of testing to find the new boundaries of how far you can push cornering and braking - a possible downside
of the extra traction is the tyre seems to let go faster when it does... not in an arse puckering way but a bit less warning than the average tyre.
Finally the cost - the Goldentyre costs more than some of the very common brands so the budget conscious will want to weigh that up. But if this has the
same wear characteristics of my original GT216AA, I figure this tyre lasts so long then it probably won't be more expensive in the long run.
good for ktms
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LONG TERM COMMENTS Zero issues, loving this knobby. However I have seen a small number of riders say it didn't suit them if they ride in a lot of ruts as occasionally the extra width caused problems. Also, while most riders find it great in sand, very aggressive riders may not like how it tends to stay on top of the sand when cornering instead of digging in.
It makes the front of the bike higher, almost everyone likes how it slows the steering down a bit on all dirt bikes. If you don't like this, you can always drop the forks through the triple clamps to get your old steering geometry back. I haven't heard of anyone doing this as yet.
Love the 'Fatty' with tubliss! and with a 333 on the back = heaven. Ran out of fuel the last ride only then did I realise the front had a puncture.. so what! Turn on reserve and keep on riding! Fixed it when I got home, tyre still perfect.
Great review mate. I love how comprehensive you are.
Im a motocross rider from the us but I have noticed the improvement with your all around bike skills
+Shane Turner thanks shane, we all definitely suck on an mx track though lol. did a few laps the other weekend and we all looked like fish out of water. :)
Anyone know if they are DOT? Can they survive road at 60 mph? I got a dual sport and have to ride to our off road sites
Great vid again. Suggestion for an upcoming vid - a 250 vs 300 review. I'm in the "what to buy" dilemma. I decide on a 300 and then read some comments about the 250 then change my mind again. The both seem awesome bikes, but I have now recently been wondering if the 250 is a better bike for me. I'm 50, 6ft, 155 lbs and a relatively fit intermediate rider. I do like being on the pipe, but I'm also a tad afraid of the beastliness of a 300 and hear the 250 is a little tamer and less tiring on the trails. Again, all mixed reviews. And yes, I have seen your review between the 200, 250 and 300, but that was for pumpkins, so it doesn't count...
Thanks for the reply Barry.
I've tried the standard size and loved it so might try the fatty and slide the forks (good suggestion thanks). Think I'll try the Shinko also. Will let you know if I like them. Cheers!
On the fence of trying a front for my KTM 690 Rally , KTM 950 Super Enduro & later my 1290 Super Enduro
At present using on my V2's Cheng Chin C755HT 3.25/3.50 x 21 excellent wear , wide print for sand as well < Now Cheng Chin closed doors this next tire i plan to try & test for a wide print in sand just hope its good on hard terrain as well get my 8,000Km use
Try a set of Dunlop MX32s in due time. I know they're motocross tyres but I think you'll be positively surprised.
I've had a front all year. I've put ~60hrs on it in all sorts of conditions. Bloody amazing. some knobs have torn up and looks slightly worn but still keeps gripping.
Just tried the rear. wow. lean angles and braking distances possible are amazing. maybe not the best on roots/rocks but after ~5hrs on inter/dry terrain the edges are only slightly worn. no tears yet.
downsides are that Ive been used to being able to spin up the rear on command with my RM250. The mx32 makes my bike feel like I've no bottom end. also, the rear tyre was a bitch to fit.
Just got a set of these and I tore them up pretty quickly already. Not too bad and it is really dry and hardpacked here but still too much wear for my liking.
Awesome thank you. I am onto one of these cheers
+Bigbarrahunter hope you like it, i've ready nothing but rave reviews on the fatty :D
Hey buddy, I would like to point one that you have the front tire mounted incorrectly. If you pay close attention to the side where it specs the tire size.. there is an arrow showing you the direction of the spin. I have the same tire I made the mistake of installing it like you did and it was horrible compared to the proper way. The v shaped knopes need to be backwards for braking that's what I got from golden tyre them selves. Those tires are directional so pay attention buddy.
yup, sold that bike over a year ago but did realise it was on backwards
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS what bike did you replace it with?
Barry, it would be awesome to see this video in pouring rain, mud. Is the weather ALWAYS nice down there??? Great product review, I just made a video about this tire, current version and the 333 rear. Here in the NW, not as nice weather...downright nasty you might say...
we dream of mud lol. too much heat and dust but the moment it's rained we are ringing around organising rides.... 😁
You are getting too skilled! Anyway I'm gonna try this tyre when mine wears out :) have you ever tried to add weight on the flywheel? That is a mod that I am really interested into! Ciao ragazzi, bellissimo video come sempre :)
+Enduro Depravation mille grazie ED! i've thought about the flywheel weights but the beta is so tractable already i'm not sure if it would help much.
This front tire review is all well and good but how are the aerodynamics in a wheelie? Seems very important to your riding style.
+J Sem the increased profile and resulting air resistance makes it easier to keep the front up, while the V-notched tread pattern allows the wheel to spin longer in the breeze and stay balanced through increased gyroscopic force.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES touching yourself
Accidental broadcast sent me here ++
normally i would feel violated when I unknowingly get my mind read by someone else, but in this case, i'll forgive you. I've been searching all brands, trying to find a suitable replacement for my front d606 for weeks now, wanting something fatter, stiffer, grippier, and Zero psi-able, and here you go, reading my mind, making a video with exactly what i'm looking for. Thanks!
(please disregard any coveting/lustful/naughty/diabolical thoughts of mine you might have read regarding your Italian Princess. I cannot control what i think of when i sleep, or when i'm awake)
+65elcamino283 i'm struggling to only use these mindreading powers for good, and not for nefarious plans of world domination.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES well, then, in that case, i'm sure that we will all be speaking with an Australian accent someday... but hey! at least the whole world would then be one giant riding park per your first mandate as Supreme Ruler of the world. All hail His Most Highest Riding Highness; Supreme World Emperor Barry!!!
please remember us mere gumbys after your rise to power. (and please relax the C.A.R.B. laws on dirtbikes as your second mandate?) thanks!
+65elcamino283 lol i promise to be a most benevolent dictator, at least when i'm in a good mood....
Get the Shinko Fatty instead. Same exact tire (Shinko originally made these for GT before GT moved manufacturing to china) same tire if not better rubber for half the price
Shinko fatty is 4 ply which GT used to market as the desert race edition. It’s stiff as hell. If you want the fatty get the Goldentyre.
Thanks for the review! And for all your videos for that matter! How was it fitting this tire with the tubliss system? You mentioned the MotoZ was easier, is that the case with this tire also? Does wider and taller mean easier or does the stiffer sidewall make it more difficult? Thanks again from an okay at best rider with a short memory and limited brain cells.
+Tory Wilson i thought it might be tricky to fit tory, so i left it in the sun fora while first so it softened up. it was certainly no harder to fit than other tires, and i have found the TUbliss is actually easier than the old way with tubes for some reason.
I just out this on my bike;
pros: plows and hooks like a champ
cons: makes my bike look like something ridden by a goon with it's 19" rear wheel.
Hi, what make the trials tyre you're using on the rear , as going to get both for my KTM 250 exc 2 stroke as front end never feels planted even with the front and rear suspension bothe re sprung and valved , I wish we had more places like where you ride in the uk, also thanks for taking the time to make these videos as I have watched them all and there so very helpful in learning new bike skills,cheers
+deanozx10r motoz hybrid on the rear, deanoz: ua-cam.com/video/k7UdxWD1XLY/v-deo.html
a lot of guys are fitting the goldentyre fatty on their katos to settle down the front end: dhondo.com/watch/fIxfprRkNWM
Good morning. We can't get hybrid in the UK. You did sent link to the Web site and I did contact Germany and they said they couldn't get hold of one for me and to try some other country that wouldn't have been cost affected with the price of postage. Love the videos and if you get chance could you do a review on these semi auto clutch kits.do they really give you any games if you know how to fether your standard clutch. Cheers.
+deanozx10r these hybrid tyres are getting quite popular deanozx, i think goldentyre in italy have a hybrid tyre too for 2016. i talked about the rekluse in this vid... i prefer not to use one but i probably will when the arthritis gets too bad to use the clutch constantly: ua-cam.com/video/XOMaH5kIZPs/v-deo.html
Sorry must of missed that one thanks. I don't no what your view is on this, as well as the front end on this KTM exc 250 2 stroke 2010 being very skittish and has a mind of its own even with a full suspension spring and revalve to suit my weight, I have really notice that I can never feel the rear tyre digging in and pushing you along compared to all my other motocross bikes I have owned over my 50 years of riding ,it just seems spin along the top of the mud even with brand new FIM enduro tyres fitted and 8 psi , I tried out my mates CR 250 with same tyre and same pressure and same hill and his bike road straight up this muddy hill over tree routes and didn't spin up once compared to mine with lots more feeling from the rear end , I have come to think the problem with the KTM is there's no dog leg linkage on the rear suspension and monoshock just bolts straight on top of swinging arm pushing load onto the middle part of the tyre rim not the bottom part forcing the tyre into the ground,I'm going to buy a 2016 300 beta mid year when price goes down, also do you think you could you borrow a 2016 300 beta and do a test compared to your one and see if this new 2 stroke oil injection pump really dose give more cleaner usable power at low end as no pre mix damping the spark down, sorry for long message ,cheers.
good review mate , im still on the stock beta tyres, they are quite good considering their dot approved, i gotta tell you i love this bike, its everything they say it is, other than aftermarket bolt on protection bits im leaving the bike stock for now as i think its an absolute hoot and the stock pipes allow you to do the sneaky sneak when your riding where you shouldnt, i still find it hard to believe the power of this thing and still be quiet, imagine putting the pro circuit fatty and shorty silencer on with your jb jetting kit, might throw the linear out the window, i think you shoul ring pro circuit and review that shit , ass pucker all day,
+mad benny lol i don't think i'll be reviewing anything that makes the princess faster! the entire commentary on the vid would just be puckering. :)
I spent the last 4 hours trying to get the darn brand
new front tire on and its impossible! The new gen tubliss has such a much
thicker red carcass, the tire wont budge it. I get the tire bead on one side
easy, then the last 6-8 inches of the final side the tire just wont stretch
without damaging the tire. I have done the install exactly to the letter per the
instructions and video. Everybody only shows a rear tire which is easier since
the drop center part is wider than on a front tire. I can put the tire on with
just a tube fine, but the red inner liner is just taking up too much room. The
tire is a Golden Tyre GT216AA 90/100 .
I never had this much trouble doing the rear tire, went right one, but I had the original tubliss.
Anyone actually installed this with the tubliss that can offer pointers?
+dieselworld bummer, dieselworld. i'm possibly one of the world's worst tyre changers and even i managed to get the same GT tyre on to my beta with the TUbliss. i left the tyre in the sun for a while to soften it up. sorry i can't help but hopefully someone can.
dieselworld leave the tire in the sun or near a heater, lube the bead with Vaseline, slides right on... I thought this tire was relatively easy to mount... you don't have to get the bead all the way into the center of the rim, you just have to wedge an iron between the bead and the rim and it should slide down enough if you do it all the way around as your finishing pulling the bead over
Baja No Pinch Mounting Tool - works great getting all tires mounted up on Tubliss without damaging the liner system.
What rear would you recommend to match with this on the rear I do half beach and half Rocky soily type tracks
there's a chart on the goldentyre website that makes recommendations like that. not sure how reliable it is but it looks the part. 😊
best DOT tire for my 300 xc-w. .....total even mix of terrain? heading out for USA tour. ..will see all terrain.
+DaveKublersVideos i'm not sure if it's DOT dave, it's very much a european tyre so far so they are only concerned with meeting FIM regs to date. be interested to see what you think of it after trying it in all sorts of conditions.
According to Goldentyre's website, the GT216 AA is DOT rated. That's not a priority for me. My EXC sees little pavement and the authorities aren't checking here in AK.
But I realize that is important to a lot of riders.
+gncc1race thanks. I have mine plated , and will bop around on it locally and prefer to ride it to local trails. I also am in Montana now , where it wouldn't matter, but I am heading out on a US tour and will be in most states , on the road at times. I am still thinking the motoz hybrid though.
+DaveKublersVideos Good luck, have fun and ride safe on your trip. Sounds like quite an adventure. I just got the Motoz Mtn Hybrid I ordered. Looks awesome. You probably know it's a DOT tire. As soon as the GT gets here I'll slap 'em on and find out firsthand if they were worth the cost. BTW, more than one review of the GT216 fatty said it's decent on the road with good wear. So that should be good news for you.
+gncc1race Barry misread a bit. havent purchased yet...still got sum life on the non dot knobs that came on it. u will prob put a few miles.... thinking a set of the hybrids, but let me know what u think re the 216 fatty up front maybe ? check out my channel. :)
Three rides and this tire was done. Less than 300 miles...work's great, wears out extremely fast.
Afternoon, quick question sir? My clutch bite is ridiculous, bites pretty much from the bars out, any suggestions how to mellow this? finding it hard work.
+Rhys Moreton one may find the midwest clutch lever most efficacious in this regard e.g. if the clutch is taking up over only 1cm then the increased leverage with the midwest might take this to 2cm or even further... ua-cam.com/video/U_wxlOLAm3g/v-deo.html
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES I was looking at one earlier, I think I may have to, it's such a savage bite. Lovely tyre also! I see the fatty is pretty much the go to tyre in hard enduro!
+Rhys Moreton actually not sure if it's completely the 'go to' tyre yet, rhys. anyone using them does rave about them, but someone quite rightly pointed out they hadn't seen jarvis or walker using them yet, apparently they are sticking with the stock GT216AA. graham's out this way in nov so i might ask him about that....
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Progress takes time young man, if everybody jumped up and down on a sinking ship it wouldn't sink that much faster!! Another Q, bark busters, what do you use? I can't find anything decent, I bought some cheapies, won't even bastard fit!
a few of us quite like the fastway ones which we've reviewed - they have three different types. if you were after the strongest, i have had quite a few comments from guys saying the cycras are the toughest but haven't tried them yet.
Is the tire road legal in Australia for the mighty DRZ?
+LoneTurtle it should be, the DOT thing is only for the usa and the law is a bit unclear here... the tyre doesn't say "offroad use only" so it should be fine.
not DOT is it ?
has anyone run this tyre on a adventure bike e.g. Tenere XT660z for central australia work to cope better with that deep sand and bulldust?
most dirt bike knobbies are terrible on big bikes chad, the knobs just bend instead of gripping unless it's something like the D606.
Cheers for the reply, so back to a m21 front, and a D606 rear, would the TUBliss be overkill for the tenere , a lot fit rim locks but i figure why not get two benefits from the TUBliss, a rim lock and the tubeless system?
no idea chad, only every used TUbliss for dirt bikes.
Ahh.....I See.. :-)
Oh, I am so tyred of hearing about tires! Not really, just wanted to drop that little comedic gem. LOL!!
Last week that I pulled the trigger on a GT216 fatty and a Mountain Hybrid, and they are expensive here in the states. I could only find the GT at ZipTy racing; It was a whopping $120 plus $75 freight! Oofdah. ...I must want that tire bad! The Motoz I was able to find at Rocky Mountain ATV MC, one of my favorite suppliers. It was a more reasonable $99, freight another $60. All told front & rear cost $355 US delivered. ...The Bridgestone ED11 & Pirelli MT43 they replace cost $211 delivered! That's a $144 premium.
Here's hoping they're worth it! What was that other video about Barry? Oh yes, mindless consumerism... LOL!!
I sound like I'm complaining, and I am a little bit. I do of course blame you Mr. Morris. If it weren't for your glowing reviews, I could have saved $144!
In truth though I'm grateful sir. I've become irritated with the (admittedly few, yet glaring...) shortcomings in the MT43's I've been running these last six years. I want to have a rear brake again! And with our fall rain (deluge) the leaf covered mud has not been an optimum condition for the MT43 either. I do know a conventional knobbie is not what I want.
So I thank you Mr. Morris for subjecting your person and the Principessa as test subjects, and utilizing your considerable media skills to enlighten us once again.
+gncc1race lol yes i definitely feel guilty now. :) i'm shocked at how much goldentyre are charging over there, the fronts are only AUD$130 here and we regularly pay $100 for most fronts so it's not much more. but knowing the crazy low prices you guys are spoilt with it sounds like goldentyre is price gouging in the US? i'm wondering if i should put an annotation in the vid to that effect....
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES I don't know if I'd use that term exactly. It might be appropriate to warn of the high prices.
We get most brand name tires so cheap because of the great volume here. North America is obviously the biggest single market in the world for dirt bike tires. The volume and the competition in that market delivers low prices.
Goldentyre is new to this marketplace and has a tiny market share. They probably have only the most rudimentary distribution right now. ZipTy Racing is the only one carrying Goldentyre here as far as I could find.
Until Goldentyre picks up in popularity and demand, prices are likely to remain high.
Why 60 freight from Rocky Mountain atv? I thought over 99$ free shipping?
I'm in Alaska... That's why. No free freight here. Or Hawaii. Or Puerto Rico! Freight can be brutal, and the shipping estimate (which is what they charge you) can be way off for some suppliers. ZipTy racing dinged me $75 freight for the Goldentyre I ordered. But they're the only ones in the US I could find who sell it. Online anyhow...