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  • Опубліковано 13 жов 2021
  • MudMixer has reinvented the way mud is mixed. It is the fastest, easiest, multi-use mixer on the market featuring a fully adjustable water input designed to be used with concrete, mortar or stucco mix. The MudMixer was built with durability in mind with a heavy duty high strength steel body. It uses a two phase infusion system. The auger and water, when introduced to the desired dry mix, work together to provide a mixture that doesn’t stop until the job is done.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 143

  • @matt_metcalf
    @matt_metcalf Місяць тому +3

    I just rented this to pour 197 80# bags. The project would not have been possible without the Mud Mixer. I am 100% sold. Very well designed and thought-out product. I'm going to have to start saving to get my own

  • @hoffpauirconcrete.semperfidCC
    @hoffpauirconcrete.semperfidCC 11 місяців тому +1

    I do almost exclusively concrete repair work ..... I 1000% need this in my life

  • @oldnstillworkin5709
    @oldnstillworkin5709 2 роки тому +67

    Looks like a nice, well engineered product. However unless you use it often, the $3K price tag makes it out of reach for most. I’m a home repair contractor and I’ll be here waiting for the price to come down while mixing mud in my wheelbarrow.

    • @u2ooberboober
      @u2ooberboober 2 роки тому +5

      You mean the Alibaba version?

    • @guitarman_3693
      @guitarman_3693 2 роки тому +9

      i help my mason friend a lot & on some smaller jobs , we use a paint mixer wire thing & a 1/2" drive drill & 5gal. bucket

    • @oldnstillworkin5709
      @oldnstillworkin5709 2 роки тому +1

      @@guitarman_3693 I do that too for small jobs

    • @mistergarrett8175
      @mistergarrett8175 2 роки тому +2

      im sure harbor freight will have their own version soon, it will only last for 3 or 4 uses though...

    • @oldnstillworkin5709
      @oldnstillworkin5709 2 роки тому +8

      @@mistergarrett8175 I’ve had good luck with the products I’ve purchased from HF. Are products purchased other places better… absolutely! I’m a Self-Employed contractor that works alone. If it’s not something I’ll use everyday, I can’t spend that much money. Like I said, it looks like a great product but seems overpriced at $3,000 to me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @fleming1124
    @fleming1124 2 роки тому +5

    Can’t wait to rent one!

  • @jrd8782
    @jrd8782 2 роки тому +19

    I would love to see a guy with a man bun running this on a actual job site

  • @joeblow8197
    @joeblow8197 2 роки тому +22

    It’s a little too slow for what I would want. Maybe a bigger auger would allow more volume. It just dribbles out.

    • @ramblin_man23
      @ramblin_man23 2 роки тому +3

      It looks like this would be a perfect speed for a one-person setup. It'd give them enough time to spread and level out the mud while it's pouring out.

    • @joeblow8197
      @joeblow8197 2 роки тому +3

      @@ramblin_man23 For maybe a four or five bag pour. It def wouldn’t be fast enough for a sidewalk pour on a warm day.

    • @ramblin_man23
      @ramblin_man23 2 роки тому

      @@joeblow8197 no definitely not, unless you wet it up real good and you get a good system going and take zero breaks 😂

    • @Dailyupset
      @Dailyupset 2 роки тому +1

      @@joeblow8197 It actually is.

  • @Index-o1234
    @Index-o1234 2 роки тому

    👍🏼- it's about time.

  • @jaycousland9835
    @jaycousland9835 2 роки тому +20

    It's be great if there was an option to enclose the output and have a 15' flexible hose for pumping footings and such.Neat rig!

    • @jowbloe4700
      @jowbloe4700 2 роки тому +5

      Get some PVC and turn it into a Pump Truck 🤣

    • @joshlund1861
      @joshlund1861 2 роки тому +1

      If they did that the liabilities for air entering the line and causing whiplash would be insane

    • @detectoraid5985
      @detectoraid5985 2 роки тому +4

      Its slow enough for 5 gal bucket brigade. An auger cant pressure a line effectively. That takes plungers, hydraulic double-cylinder pumps that used an oil-operated ram with fast cycle time. The MudMixer is perfect for what its designed for and a scaled down version of the heart of a batch plant/mixer truck.

    • @richardmalone6805
      @richardmalone6805 Рік тому

      That would never work.

  • @State48TurtleTortoise
    @State48TurtleTortoise 2 роки тому +1

    That’s amazing. I want one lol

  • @dustup2249
    @dustup2249 9 місяців тому +3

    It's a toy with limited use because it's so small that a slab is setting while you slowly dribble in mix so the slab will never be monolithic. Great for mailbox pole holes though.

  • @josemonclus8325
    @josemonclus8325 2 роки тому +11

    A perfect tool if you charge by the hour

    • @larrywarolin7215
      @larrywarolin7215 Рік тому +4

      It's the perfect tool to avoid hiring a bunch of hacks. DIY at it's finest. Work at your own pace for better quality, much lower costs and the satisfaction of doing things with your own two hands.

    • @rayl.9917
      @rayl.9917 11 місяців тому +1

      Every job is done by the hour. Job= $3400 took 4 hrs to complete 3400/4= $850 an hour

  • @SolidStateH2O
    @SolidStateH2O 10 місяців тому +2

    Buy once, Cry once! Then giggle every chance you get to use it!!!

  • @genevelis6075
    @genevelis6075 3 місяці тому +1

    Please explain, if i order 1 cubic yard or more, it is the same or cheaper to order a concrete truck delivery and much less work. If take in consideration $3k the price of the mud mixer, it doesn't make sense.
    Am I missing anything?

  • @jackriley5974
    @jackriley5974 6 місяців тому

    Everyone's got one! Opinions that is and here's mine. I'm generalizing, but if your a DIYer they're too expensive (go rent something) If you're a contractor use ready mix (you won't have to clean the equipment after)

  • @littlehuey5679
    @littlehuey5679 2 роки тому +5

    Just so you know you have to use ready mix type products or premix your own product then add it to the mixer !

    • @FlyingGuy
      @FlyingGuy 4 місяці тому

      I didn't think about premixing my own to use in this....that actually makes this machine a better idea.

  • @soullesscat365
    @soullesscat365 2 роки тому +7

    Needs to be bigger

  • @darrellturner560
    @darrellturner560 2 роки тому +3

    Experience plasters and brickies know by sight the consistency they want. We know how much water to add even when the sand is wet it makes no difference. It is only good for pre-packed dry mix that most tradies find cost and time prohibitive.

    • @adventuress904
      @adventuress904 2 роки тому +2

      You obviously haven't been working in the trades recently. Small fixes and small jobs use premix. Masons only bring large scale mixers to large commercial or industrial jobs

    • @darrellturner560
      @darrellturner560 2 роки тому +3

      @@adventuress904 considering I have over 35 years experience from handyman to large scale commerical. Having spent 12 years specialising in herigate reconstruction. Ran operations that required small repairs to large contracts I think I know what I'm talking about. I can see how it would benefit a hanyman not skilled in concrete, mortar or plaster mixing. I've worked on plenty of repairs that didn't require a 10kg bag of premix. In pointing up repairs the mix would set in the machine before you got to use it up. Premix or not most tradies would have the job almost finished by the time someone set the machine up.
      Good luck next time!

    • @edd-ik1lw
      @edd-ik1lw 2 роки тому +4

      My labourer mixes more than that thing does in 10 minutes swivel buckets have attachments for quick mixing on most our commercials,
      and this would only be extra space in work shed.
      paving and kerbs and small ground works yes it would be ideal in that field, public and side jobs.
      but no way would it be used on sites here ud get laughed at walking on site with that thing. Premix is never used on our sites unless it's haunches kerb or monoblockers for height and depth baseline snags.

  • @Ramdodge582
    @Ramdodge582 2 роки тому +1

    can i mix a 4" slump with it?

  • @greg.montelione
    @greg.montelione Рік тому +1

    I'm sure you can make your money back quick with this by saving on labor and back ache. It would take five times as long to mix and place a yard or two of concrete. I wish I could rent it a couple of days to try it out before I'd purchase it. Definitely looks better than a standard portable drum mixer and way better than a hoe in a wheelbarrow. 👍

  • @reginaldlevins1908
    @reginaldlevins1908 10 місяців тому

    Definitely would be great if it delivered mud over longer distances. Like a mini pumper

  • @chrissaldana4519
    @chrissaldana4519 Рік тому

    That’s a nice rig! Myself and my buddy Edwin could put that bad boy use!

  • @kwnsain4963
    @kwnsain4963 2 роки тому +1

    Hello sir from Greece, is your machine available to Greece or Europe working with 220volt?

  • @josemontes1289
    @josemontes1289 Рік тому

    How many yards can to do. Such as a two car parking for my garage? Small jobs is looking good however a drive way? Please inform

  • @TULARECOUNTYNsV
    @TULARECOUNTYNsV 2 роки тому +4

    I want this mud mixer for my handyman business so bad , I've seen nothing but good reviews on it and from what I have seen on videos it's a beast and built with top quality materials and made n America is a plus !!!! Is it available anywhere n California specifically in the Central Valley ????

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому +2

      Are you looking to rent or purchase? You can always purchase directly from our website. If you are looking for rental I can check to see if it is available for rent in your area.

    • @migm7428
      @migm7428 Рік тому +1

      Be sure you rent it first and use it a couple times, start to finish cleaning out. And then see if you think it's worth the money.

  • @shawndavis9276
    @shawndavis9276 2 роки тому

    mud is mixed, but how do you temper it?

  • @estimatingonediscoveringthree
    @estimatingonediscoveringthree 2 роки тому

    Looking forward to robots taking over all the skilled work

  • @mccoy-15
    @mccoy-15 Рік тому

    I wished they made it capable of pumping the concrete as well, with a hose attachment.

  • @dalecross4543
    @dalecross4543 2 роки тому

    The mud singer at a store near you!

  • @saulcruz2483
    @saulcruz2483 10 місяців тому

    ill stick with the shovel and wheel barrow thanks!!!!

  • @jamesleicher
    @jamesleicher 2 роки тому

    In Australia?

  • @francisarledge9981
    @francisarledge9981 10 місяців тому

    Needs a higher capacity. Hopefully theyll make one.

  • @jasoneverett
    @jasoneverett Рік тому

    As someone who knows nothing and works in IT for a living but needs to pour a slab for a shed, is this practical for pouring a 12x12 by 4" slab in one go? It was recommended by the local rental place and I trust them but I wouldn't mind a second opinion.

  • @ZeroCarbDaddy
    @ZeroCarbDaddy 2 роки тому

    3k is a big price. I’m sure the Chinese are advertising it on Alibaba about right now.

  • @victorgaitan7032
    @victorgaitan7032 10 місяців тому

    Might have something there . .

  • @romocon.
    @romocon. 2 роки тому

    Now I able to pour my 50x50 concrete slab

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 2 роки тому

      50 inches by 50 inches maybe........................

  • @user-yz8dv6rp1q
    @user-yz8dv6rp1q 2 роки тому

    Кнауф делает целые комплексы машин для штукатурки,где в составе есть такой миксер

  • @BigInjun05
    @BigInjun05 2 роки тому

    Yeah this is for contractors for sure. Not the average shmo. I have a mixer that has been outside longer than I've been alive and still rips. Just gotta loosen it up every once and a while.

  • @FrankEdavidson
    @FrankEdavidson Місяць тому

    Surely one would want rid of mud in a building site,

  • @Ireland-bc2gx
    @Ireland-bc2gx 2 роки тому +1

    Good product ,but what about getting into a wheelbarrow for plasterers or blocklayers

    • @ramblin_man23
      @ramblin_man23 2 роки тому

      I'm no expert but as long as you set the end of it higher than the wheelbarrow it should work

    • @chaseoes
      @chaseoes 2 роки тому +5

      Just leave it in the back of the truck with the end hanging off the edge and put the wheelbarrow below it.

  • @danymonda3185
    @danymonda3185 10 місяців тому

    Mine come with no tires 😮😢

  • @jackfarrell4727
    @jackfarrell4727 2 роки тому +1

    It is a miniature Zimmerman mixer

  • @lifepeanuts99
    @lifepeanuts99 Рік тому

    Just wondering if you could run this off a generator? and if so what size?

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  Рік тому

      Yes you can! Just a simple 110v generator will suffice. The machine only pulls 1.6 amps.

    • @larrywarolin7215
      @larrywarolin7215 Рік тому

      Your concrete will have ripples in the finish from the vibration unless you run two of them simultaneously.

    • @larrywarolin7215
      @larrywarolin7215 Рік тому

      Sorry. Couldn't help it.

  • @niney1683
    @niney1683 Місяць тому

    Esto es para regalarselo a mi hijo de 8 años en navidad !!!
    Eso nisiquiera los principiantes lo usarian . Ledoy del 1 al 10 un -50 . Basura completa , lento , pequeño. Frajil .

  • @robingamel9788
    @robingamel9788 2 роки тому

    Never had to mix mud.

  • @gregjones8882
    @gregjones8882 2 роки тому

    It's a modified pugmill!

  • @lilrudylp
    @lilrudylp Рік тому

    3,000 lmao I’ll wait for Harbor Freight to come out with one

  • @smallnuts2
    @smallnuts2 2 роки тому +2

    Only thing is, your limited in height. Unless you build a little platform if you need to do 2-3 ft high project.

  • @chrishoward6674
    @chrishoward6674 2 роки тому +1

    Neat idea, but not 3k neat

  • @nathanaelkramer6494
    @nathanaelkramer6494 24 дні тому

    I like this but if it takes an hour to mix a yard (about 40 80 lb bags. Uts too slow. I’m 50 and I can beat that time in a wheelbarrow. Have done it many times.

  • @voice_crack_gamer6937
    @voice_crack_gamer6937 5 місяців тому

    In theory yes but most houses only have 50 ft hoses

  • @matthewmiller4747
    @matthewmiller4747 2 роки тому

    Cost to benefit ratio.

  • @Z-Ack
    @Z-Ack 2 роки тому +2

    But does it do pancakes?? I bet you could churn out a few couple hundred flap jacks an hour with that there automatic butter maker..

  • @jackjenkins7980
    @jackjenkins7980 2 роки тому +1

    This would actually slow me down, it’s to slow and to small, I wouldn’t even rent it out for a small patio

  • @sparkybadger3594
    @sparkybadger3594 2 роки тому

    I like this…..but I’m thinking a Honda motor for my jobs with no electricity….

  • @wburhans
    @wburhans 2 роки тому

    I'm surprised there isn't a screen/lid

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому

      There is a grate in the hopper preventing any clumps from going into the auger!

  • @Dom.777_
    @Dom.777_ 2 роки тому

    All day I lift them concretes at work I hate it lol

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому +1

      This will make your life easier!

  • @scor440
    @scor440 7 місяців тому

    It should be larger

  • @steelervette
    @steelervette 2 роки тому

    $3000 🥵

  • @johnsutcliffe9965
    @johnsutcliffe9965 2 роки тому +2

    What’s the life expectancy of the auger and mixing shoot? Concrete is very abrasive I would imagine the metal would wear pretty fast.

    • @rearspeaker6364
      @rearspeaker6364 2 роки тому

      fist time someone don't THOROUGHLY clean it after use, its trash.

  • @AdamWoods-lr6gy
    @AdamWoods-lr6gy Місяць тому

    Well, we just bought one of these for work. So, I sincerely doubt it will make things any more efficient. And now we need electrical access and a water pump? So, dont think it will be any better than hand mixi ng. And more setup and more crap to carry around.

  • @Funnyboy2402
    @Funnyboy2402 2 роки тому +4

    Yep. Way to slow. I have a pan mixer that can mix 8x20kg in 5-10 min. This wil give maybe 1-2 bags in that time. And my pan mixer was only 1200usd. So way to expensive here in the EU. You can almost mix the same amount in a wheelbarrow at this rate. The idea is great thou. Just to prizy.🤗

    • @sambeltram8711
      @sambeltram8711 2 роки тому

      Good perspective, tyvm .

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому +2

      The Mud Mixer will mix a bag of dry mix in 1 minute! 1 yard an hour..

    • @sambeltram8711
      @sambeltram8711 2 роки тому +1

      @@mudmixer seems a bit slow as I'm mixing and finishing pan set within 30 to 45 minutes depending on the size

    • @jeffanhorn
      @jeffanhorn 2 роки тому

      A 5 gallon bucket, a good drill and a mixer whip for mud and in 1 minute I can mix the same for about 1/10 the price of this.

    • @gustavcrossbow2805
      @gustavcrossbow2805 2 роки тому

      i can do 1 yard an hour alone in a wheelbarrow

  • @ajs96350
    @ajs96350 2 роки тому +1

    Saw the price, I don't want one that bad.

    • @Dailyupset
      @Dailyupset 2 роки тому +1

      It’s worth the price

    • @timmummert63
      @timmummert63 2 роки тому +2

      Too rich for small jobs. Anything over a yard and a half I call in a truck.

  • @on5samsung72
    @on5samsung72 2 роки тому

    Not for the price of $2000 up. Under $800 and I might get one.

  • @onlyscience7120
    @onlyscience7120 Рік тому

    Outdoor chairs not included.

  • @eddiegomez5555
    @eddiegomez5555 2 роки тому

    Can you rent it and if yes who rents it

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому +1

      Yes you can! We have units in hundreds of rental locations around the US and Canada! Check out our dealer page on our website to find one near you. mudmixer.com/dealers/

  • @akbychoice
    @akbychoice 2 роки тому +1

    Mud not gravel bearing concrete.

  • @sambeltram8711
    @sambeltram8711 2 роки тому

    Wondering How well it could expediate my shower pan installs . I usually pour them all

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому +1

      We have footage of shower pan install that will be posted soon! Great application for the Mud Mixer.

  • @ChuckyANDchuckels
    @ChuckyANDchuckels 2 роки тому

    It's kinda slow tho I could mix 5 bags in 10 mins and dump it at once maybe a bigger hopper and ogger would be better with more output I gotta get jobs done as easy and fast as possible time is money maybe good for around the house jobs

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому

      This will do 5 bags in 5 minutes!

    • @ChuckyANDchuckels
      @ChuckyANDchuckels 2 роки тому

      It's an example 5 bags in 5 minutes ain't much when your doing commercial jobs and need to crank them out as fast as possible I'll have 3 mixers going and get 25 bags done in 10 minutes this just couldn't keep up with my needs my opinion that's all

  • @Ticonderoga12
    @Ticonderoga12 2 роки тому

    Hopefully I can rent it from home depot, cuz not worth buying this for 3k

  • @jjjustin17favs
    @jjjustin17favs 2 роки тому +1

    Need to make it go about 2foot high for a wheel barrow

    • @mudmixer
      @mudmixer  2 роки тому

      A lot of our customers will put the mixer in the bed of the pick up and dump it in the wheel barrow that way.

  • @technoidtype
    @technoidtype 2 роки тому

    I don't see 3,000$ of components, I don't see 1000$ I see 750$ machine maybe

  • @relitzcc6049
    @relitzcc6049 Рік тому

    I'm not impressed by the machine... but explain to me why a flat worker is using a FLOOR SCRAPER to move concrete around??? @1:30

  • @carlh4212
    @carlh4212 2 роки тому

    Omg how slow is that

  • @M.Lynchian
    @M.Lynchian 7 місяців тому

    Its called cement not mud.

  • @jamesford9039
    @jamesford9039 2 роки тому

    $3K for it.

  • @emanuelvasquez1897
    @emanuelvasquez1897 Рік тому

    It look ti slow for me

  • @crushed1126
    @crushed1126 Рік тому

    Very dramatic music for a mixer

  • @marks6663
    @marks6663 8 місяців тому +1

    thank god the video doesn't show us how it actually works. That would be more information than I could handle. And the horrible background music was a nice touch, too.

  • @martrome7449
    @martrome7449 Рік тому

    Its to expensive

  • @rainmaker3700
    @rainmaker3700 2 роки тому

    The price is a non starter, sorry.

  • @doctorwu1303
    @doctorwu1303 2 місяці тому

    Cue stupid background music…..

  • @merph1s
    @merph1s 2 роки тому

    Not a practical machine. Good idea though.

  • @genehasenbuhler2594
    @genehasenbuhler2594 2 роки тому +2

    I can do it faster by hand in a wheelbarrow!

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    Romans 3:10 & 23
    10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
    Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
    31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
    32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
    1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
    For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
    Romans 10:9
    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    Acts 4:12
    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.

  • @waytospergtherebro
    @waytospergtherebro 2 роки тому +1

    Do they call concrete "mud" in your hillbilly part of the world?

  • @LiveFromLondon2
    @LiveFromLondon2 Місяць тому

    I can see it being useful for where a normal mixer isnt practical, other than that its pointless. Only amateurs would consider this - of course, amateurs = gullible.