@@duracontractingNO garden hoe. They make a hoe specifically for mixing cement, it is much larger than a garden hoe and has two large holes in it that the cement can pass through to aid in mixing.
I rented a mud-mixer ...... it's the nuts! If you have >10 80# bags to mix, mud-mixer is the way to go. The savings in time, labor, and grief is wonderful!
I bought a Mudmixer to use here on my farm. I have several project planned or in the works. Most of the projects won't be accessible by a concrete truck. The first one was a patio, 188 60lb. bags. 94 over two days. (I'm old) It worked out and I got great results, but it was a pain in the butt. Why? Because I'm on a well, and for that reason, the water pressure/flow changes as the well cycles on and off, and I had to constantly fiddle with the flow knob. I need to look into a pressure regulator to plumb into the machine. I'll also say that it was quite a workout for an old guy working alone. I was in a location where I couldn't get my trailer with the pallets of concrete close, so I had to handle every bag twice, from pallet to tractor bucket, then tractor bucket to mixer. I put 16 bags in the bucket on each trip to the trailer. You also don't have much time to drag the concrete around with the placer, between bags. I did not splurge on the extra hopper, so two bags only. Still, I'm looking forward to the next pour this Spring! Great comparison video! 👍
I just poured a slab (133 60# bags) over the last weekend and experienced the exact same issues. It took about 2.75 hours to pour. It was very frustrating, but not really the machines fault. I didn't feel like I could turn my back on the machine because as soon as I did, the mix was either way too dry and clogging up, or it was soup. In the end it got done, but I will be looking for some kind of fix for this because the machine is a lot less useful if I have to babysit the water feed rate. Fortunately, I had help from my mother-in-law, wife, and kids so I was available to keep my attention on the machine while they moved and screeded the concrete. Even with that, consistency was pretty poor. The hopper should be bigger right from the start without having to spend another $400 to get an acceptable capacity. The machine costs way too much to have to purchase add-ons that should have been included. That would include the $185 chute extension they have. Right now I have a love-hate relationship with it.
@@throngcleaver I saw this comment on another video with the Mud Mixer used in an off-grid situation where they didn't seem to have an issue. "We used a cast iron pump that stays on all the time when powered up. It maintained excellent pressure the whole time just have to make sure you’re continuously adding mix before it runs out." That video can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/Y4u-Ms6qoCY/v-deo.html&lc=Ugy_oXE65KetW2V6pIN4AaABAg.A-I4JtOnnKpA-Jw4Kfjjh6
I actually use the odd job mixer. And I use measured water each time. The consistency is always perfect. But I don’t use bargain barn mixes. As someone that does structural concrete your mixing it wet is a disadvantage. Reducing structural strength of the finished product. Note before you comment on the strength I have a degree in civil engineering. We did compression test on the concrete to prove what I say. And on commercial jobs something called a slump test is done to make sure to much water wasn’t added. Which both methods you should have way to much.
I built a block building over 2000 blocks it was faster mixing motar in a bucket than the mixer. However for slabs a mixer is better actually buying it premixed in a cement truck is even better.
"Let's do the other ones. We don't need this mud mixer" that a boy. This kid made your whole video worth watching nice job. Young man, good hard work and a great attitude. This video got a thumbs up from me. Just cause of you.
It's application dependent. For a couple of bags the old school mixing is the way to go. If you have to mix a lot the mud mixer is the way to go as it will give you a more consistent mix. Also, the operator(s) of the mud mixer need to be using dust masks to keep from breathing the concrete dust.
I’d use it to mix one bag. Not only should the operators of the Mudmixer use a dust mask, this is applicable to the hand mixer or anyone mixing concrete
@@duracontracting if you own the mixer then sure. However, if you have to purchase or rent the equipment I'm sure you'd go back to hand mixing for a couple of bags.
I have the imer 6 cf mixer. I load 4 bags let them mix with pre measured water. After a few minutes of standing around I dump and repeat. Pretty easy. I also use a drill/paddle mix for small pours. I don’t think I would buy the mud mixer. Looks like too many parts to wear out.
If you're only mixing for footings you've got it made, what happens if you want to add a little more Portland to the mix, the machine does not allow for that. The thing I never liked about premix as soon as you get it you have to use it. You can't save it, if it gets damp It starts to harden right away, In less than a month you'll have bricks. I didn't see three different spots on that machine so you can adjust your mix.
The Mud Mixer is designed to take hard effort out. There is a tool for everything. If you have to pour a really small concrete area with few bags like in this project the Mud Mixer is really an over kill because its price, but if you have a larger project, like few slabs or a footage for a room and slabs working with few hundred of bags this is unbeatable. I have bad shoulders and in an even small concrete job I would appreciate the easy on my body by using this machine. It makes small concrete work possible for one man alone and really good for 2 or 3. It is expensive but as with all expensive tools, cry once, enjoy forever.
This is not a fair comparison. Instead of mixing in a wheelbarrow it should be mixed in an electric open end mixer that has been used for decades. Then poured into a wheelbarrow.
I can beat both with a woven demo bag. Throw in your concrete 3/4 gallon of water. (Depending on the size concrete bag) hold the top closed and roll the bag around a few times about 30 seconds. then dump the bag. No dry spots to dig out of th e corner of a wheelbarrow. No machine to set up or clean up. And I can tuck the top of the bag into a sonotube with no spilling over. And no silica dust flying around. All stays in the bag. The bag gets chewed up then it becomes a trash bag you throw away after it's full. All around cant be beat.
The machine would prob be a little faster but the cleanup and setup I bet evens it out. But the bag method def kicks up less silica dust. I'd like to see a head to head race bags vs the machine. The demo clean up bags for brick, drywall, shingles etc... are the best I've used.
Look... I dont mean to be THAT guy.. but I will. 3/4 bucket of water will be 3 bags on average.. add the water the wheel barrel first.. that way you don't have to fiddle every batch.. use a smaller shovel, not the length, but actual spade, it cuts through the concrete mix easier. Mix one bag.. it will be really soupy, then add the second bag.. it will be very easy and soupy. The last bag will be a little work. But 30 seconds of mixing and its done. Because of the easiness of the mixing you can make batch after batch with alot less effort. But I think the mud mixer is a bad ass machine, would beat hand mixing any day.
The correct and fastest way with the wheelbarrow is to have the correct amount of water put in the barrow first, then use mortar hoe, not a shovel. This not a fair test. Interesting but.
Those mixers look great, but I'm trying to figure out how they can justify the price. $3,300 I'm sorry, but that is way too much. If maybe pay a grand for one, but I'm not too into price gouging.
Are you kidding me? $3000.00 for the Mudmixer and $340 shipping. And the guy mixing in the wheelbarrel, is not even using a mortor hoe. (much easier ) I can rent an electric concrete mixer for $45 a day from the local hardware. Then I can return it without having to store it some place as I would this $3500 mixer ! The rented mixer is high enough to pour into a wheelbarrel.
For a DIY buying on isn’t smart. But for the people who actually use it day in and day out it’s worth the money. Just this afternoon I mixed 120 80lbs bags and finished it just under 3hrs with one helper. The first time I used it we did 30 80lbs bags in 35mins. You physically can’t mix it that fast by hand. And a drum mixer you have to handle the concrete 3 times before you even touch it with a float or screed board.
Did you mud boy ride a bicycle to work too since we're comparing apples to oranges? That machine is $4000 with the added hopper and chute extension. If you fill Sono Tubes all day as a contractor on fairly even ground, definitely worth it. As a DIYer building a deck setting posts or a fence I will use a wheelbarrow and a Mortar hoe not a damn shovel. By now someone probably rents those machines.
Best way is with a rotary mixer which tends to mix better more evenly and with less mess. Hand mixing is next best then almost any other way than this device. Even an egg beater is better than a mud-mixer. You'll get better concrete with the rotary though.
Three and a half grand is a lot of money for something I could weld together in an afternoon. And I could probably build it better than what they've got. Joe homeowner is not going to purchase one of those not for $3,000. Can you say rip off boys and girls?
But is it worth the $3000 ? I really like the concept, but dang! the price.... If Mudmixer would bring that price down to something more reasonable, then yes. There are so many "how to make your own" videos, of course that means you would need to have the means to fabricate etc.
OK here's the real deal. I'm 55 years old and I poured stairs this past fall using and mixing in a wheelbarrow. I used (80) 80 pound bags and it was a pain in the ass! Between moving the bags / cutting them open, mixing and then moving the heavy effin wheelbarrow more times than I can remember it's thoroughly exhausting. I don't care what you mix it with, shovel, rake, pixie dust spreader....doesn't matter it's still a hell of a job. If you have a bigger job do yourself and your back a favor and rent one of these, you'll see why. I don't know about you but my time is valuable, I can make more money but I can't make up time lost I could have been doing another project. Stop being such a cheap ass!!
Concrete is heavy and hard work. For a 1 man operation its worth it. I went from a kushlan barrel mixer to mud mixer and while yes its a large upfront cost to me its worth it. I get it though it was a tough pill to swallow.
Not a good comparison at all you don’t mix concrete in a wheelbarrow with a shovel. You have to use a two hole perforated hoe to mix concrete in a wheelbarrow. 🙄
The entire point of this video was to mix concrete in a wheelbarrow w/ a shovel. Not w/ a hoe. As mentioned in the video “people online think they can out mix the mixer with a shovel”. Maybe if enough people say they can do it fast with a hoe we can do another comparison view.
@@duracontracting just saying that the shovel is not the correct tool to mix concrete a hoe and there’s two 2 inch holes on left and right side of it is the correct tool for that particular job.
It’s definitely a big upfront investment. However, if you have the work for the MudMixer it will pay for itself. Once the machine becomes profitable you won’t regret your investment.
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Pathetic. Your attempt to make hand-mix look bad is a joke. There is no situation where this machine is significantly better to justify the price tag. Another case of selling to the gullible.
Here is a tip to make hand mixing ten times easier. use a garden hoe, not a shovel.
Thanks you!
We will invest in one
@@duracontractingNO garden hoe. They make a hoe specifically for mixing cement, it is much larger than a garden hoe and has two large holes in it that the cement can pass through to aid in mixing.
Yo! you need a mortar hoe!
@@frederickshipp8013 definitely want the two holes I was use a shovel for the longest time until someone mentioned that and I’ve never gone back since
I worked with guys who’ve been doing it for 60 years and when all you’ve got is a shovel it works just fine and puts some hair on your chest
I rented a mud-mixer ...... it's the nuts!
If you have >10 80# bags to mix, mud-mixer is the way to go.
The savings in time, labor, and grief is wonderful!
If you pour deck footings all the time, this is a no brainer, it probably saves you a guy on the crew and gets rid of a lot of the back breaking work.
why dont you have the large mud hoe to mix it in the wheel borrow inside of the shovel
Next video?
You have to do something to slow down the progress of using the wheel barrow.
I bought a Mudmixer to use here on my farm. I have several project planned or in the works. Most of the projects won't be accessible by a concrete truck.
The first one was a patio, 188 60lb. bags. 94 over two days. (I'm old) It worked out and I got great results, but it was a pain in the butt.
Why? Because I'm on a well, and for that reason, the water pressure/flow changes as the well cycles on and off, and I had to constantly fiddle with the flow knob.
I need to look into a pressure regulator to plumb into the machine.
I'll also say that it was quite a workout for an old guy working alone. I was in a location where I couldn't get my trailer with the pallets of concrete close, so I had to handle every bag twice, from pallet to tractor bucket, then tractor bucket to mixer. I put 16 bags in the bucket on each trip to the trailer. You also don't have much time to drag the concrete around with the placer, between bags. I did not splurge on the extra hopper, so two bags only.
Still, I'm looking forward to the next pour this Spring!
Great comparison video! 👍
I just poured a slab (133 60# bags) over the last weekend and experienced the exact same issues. It took about 2.75 hours to pour. It was very frustrating, but not really the machines fault. I didn't feel like I could turn my back on the machine because as soon as I did, the mix was either way too dry and clogging up, or it was soup. In the end it got done, but I will be looking for some kind of fix for this because the machine is a lot less useful if I have to babysit the water feed rate. Fortunately, I had help from my mother-in-law, wife, and kids so I was available to keep my attention on the machine while they moved and screeded the concrete. Even with that, consistency was pretty poor.
The hopper should be bigger right from the start without having to spend another $400 to get an acceptable capacity. The machine costs way too much to have to purchase add-ons that should have been included. That would include the $185 chute extension they have. Right now I have a love-hate relationship with it.
@@jt5747 I couldn't agree more! 👍
@@throngcleaver I saw this comment on another video with the Mud Mixer used in an off-grid situation where they didn't seem to have an issue.
"We used a cast iron pump that stays on all the time when powered up. It maintained excellent pressure the whole time just have to make sure you’re continuously adding mix before it runs out."
That video can be found here:
ua-cam.com/video/Y4u-Ms6qoCY/v-deo.html&lc=Ugy_oXE65KetW2V6pIN4AaABAg.A-I4JtOnnKpA-Jw4Kfjjh6
@jt5747 Hey JT, I just watched that video, read all the comments, and found yours, plus their response. Subbed to their channel, too.
Thanks, man! 😁
W@jt5747 what brand well pump do you have??
I actually use the odd job mixer. And I use measured water each time. The consistency is always perfect. But I don’t use bargain barn mixes. As someone that does structural concrete your mixing it wet is a disadvantage. Reducing structural strength of the finished product.
Note before you comment on the strength I have a degree in civil engineering. We did compression test on the concrete to prove what I say. And on commercial jobs something called a slump test is done to make sure to much water wasn’t added. Which both methods you should have way to much.
On commercial jobs they'll probably truck the concrete in 😮
This is a commercial. It is not a test
Regardless it's accurate I love mine
yeah even has his mud shirt on LOL
I built a block building over 2000 blocks it was faster mixing motar in a bucket than the mixer. However for slabs a mixer is better actually buying it premixed in a cement truck is even better.
Mixing with a shovel 🤣🤣🤣
Good Vid. Mudmixer sure takes the work out of Cement Mixing
Yes it does!
Definitely could use that
It’s a game changer!
If you want to know more DM me!
I’ve been using the MudMixer most of the summer.
why wheelbarrow mix with built in time sink...4'x4' flat panel ca mix 3 - 80# bags in 3 minutes. I did 5 yards in an otherwise inaccessible basement
He says, "How long can you go at that pace?"😂 That a boy, "he says all day, my man"👍
"Let's do the other ones. We don't need this mud mixer" that a boy. This kid made your whole video worth watching nice job. Young man, good hard work and a great attitude. This video got a thumbs up from me. Just cause of you.
It's application dependent. For a couple of bags the old school mixing is the way to go. If you have to mix a lot the mud mixer is the way to go as it will give you a more consistent mix.
Also, the operator(s) of the mud mixer need to be using dust masks to keep from breathing the concrete dust.
I’d use it to mix one bag.
Not only should the operators of the Mudmixer use a dust mask, this is applicable to the hand mixer or anyone mixing concrete
@@duracontracting if you own the mixer then sure. However, if you have to purchase or rent the equipment I'm sure you'd go back to hand mixing for a couple of bags.
True
Definitely a big upfront investment.
Doesn’t make sense if you don’t mix a lot.
I have the imer 6 cf mixer. I load 4 bags let them mix with pre measured water. After a few minutes of standing around I dump and repeat. Pretty easy. I also use a drill/paddle mix for small pours. I don’t think I would buy the mud mixer. Looks like too many parts to wear out.
We picked up our unit... getting beyond freezing overnight in Northern Nevada and looking forward to getting footings in.
If you're only mixing for footings you've got it made, what happens if you want to add a little more Portland to the mix, the machine does not allow for that. The thing I never liked about premix as soon as you get it you have to use it. You can't save it, if it gets damp It starts to harden right away, In less than a month you'll have bricks. I didn't see three different spots on that machine so you can adjust your mix.
The Mud Mixer is designed to take hard effort out. There is a tool for everything. If you have to pour a really small concrete area with few bags like in this project the Mud Mixer is really an over kill because its price, but if you have a larger project, like few slabs or a footage for a room and slabs working with few hundred of bags this is unbeatable. I have bad shoulders and in an even small concrete job I would appreciate the easy on my body by using this machine. It makes small concrete work possible for one man alone and really good for 2 or 3. It is expensive but as with all expensive tools, cry once, enjoy forever.
This is not a fair comparison. Instead of mixing in a wheelbarrow it should be mixed in an electric open end mixer that has been used for decades. Then poured into a wheelbarrow.
Then wheel the barrow over the construction terrain to the hole. Sounds like unnecessary work.
I can beat both with a woven demo bag. Throw in your concrete 3/4 gallon of water. (Depending on the size concrete bag) hold the top closed and roll the bag around a few times about 30 seconds. then dump the bag. No dry spots to dig out of th e corner of a wheelbarrow. No machine to set up or clean up. And I can tuck the top of the bag into a sonotube with no spilling over. And no silica dust flying around. All stays in the bag. The bag gets chewed up then it becomes a trash bag you throw away after it's full. All around cant be beat.
You’re the BEST 🤜🏻💥🤛🏻
The machine would prob be a little faster but the cleanup and setup I bet evens it out. But the bag method def kicks up less silica dust. I'd like to see a head to head race bags vs the machine. The demo clean up bags for brick, drywall, shingles etc... are the best I've used.
Look... I dont mean to be THAT guy.. but I will. 3/4 bucket of water will be 3 bags on average.. add the water the wheel barrel first.. that way you don't have to fiddle every batch.. use a smaller shovel, not the length, but actual spade, it cuts through the concrete mix easier. Mix one bag.. it will be really soupy, then add the second bag.. it will be very easy and soupy. The last bag will be a little work. But 30 seconds of mixing and its done. Because of the easiness of the mixing you can make batch after batch with alot less effort. But I think the mud mixer is a bad ass machine, would beat hand mixing any day.
The correct and fastest way with the wheelbarrow is to have the correct amount of water put in the barrow first, then use mortar hoe, not a shovel. This not a fair test. Interesting but.
We will try this for a future video
Those mixers look great, but I'm trying to figure out how they can justify the price. $3,300 I'm sorry, but that is way too much. If maybe pay a grand for one, but I'm not too into price gouging.
concrete on the old hands..... LOL
Are you kidding me? $3000.00 for the Mudmixer and $340 shipping. And the guy mixing in the wheelbarrel, is not even using a mortor hoe. (much easier ) I can rent an electric concrete mixer for $45 a day from the local hardware. Then I can return it without having to store it some place as I would this $3500 mixer ! The rented mixer is high enough to pour into a wheelbarrel.
Or just rent Mud Mixer from sunlight
For a DIY buying on isn’t smart. But for the people who actually use it day in and day out it’s worth the money. Just this afternoon I mixed 120 80lbs bags and finished it just under 3hrs with one helper. The first time I used it we did 30 80lbs bags in 35mins.
You physically can’t mix it that fast by hand. And a drum mixer you have to handle the concrete 3 times before you even touch it with a float or screed board.
I Bought two in case one brakes
I'm with you it was a half ass attempt at a comparison
Alibaba sells them for 750.. cut out the middle man and get them direct...
3/4 in. Drill with a paddle mixer and 5 gallon bucket works fine for small jobs as well
Great to know!
We are usually mixing at least 10+ bags.
Our smallest pours are usually the slab under the stairs.
What if its raining out ? i imagine you have to keep the hopper dry or it will clog.
You can rent the machine for like $100 per day.
Did you mud boy ride a bicycle to work too since we're comparing apples to oranges? That machine is $4000 with the added hopper and chute extension. If you fill Sono Tubes all day as a contractor on fairly even ground, definitely worth it. As a DIYer building a deck setting posts or a fence I will use a wheelbarrow and a Mortar hoe not a damn shovel. By now someone probably rents those machines.
Best way is with a rotary mixer which tends to mix better more evenly and with less mess. Hand mixing is next best then almost any other way than this device. Even an egg beater is better than a mud-mixer. You'll get better concrete with the rotary though.
Three and a half grand is a lot of money for something I could weld together in an afternoon. And I could probably build it better than what they've got. Joe homeowner is not going to purchase one of those not for $3,000. Can you say rip off boys and girls?
But is it worth the $3000 ? I really like the concept, but dang! the price.... If Mudmixer would bring that price down to something more reasonable, then yes. There are so many "how to make your own" videos, of course that means you would need to have the means to fabricate etc.
They are made in china and you can buy them direct for 750..
@@FJB2020 wow, thanks. do you have a link for that? or how would I locate? just web-search? thanks again for that
@@wisdomfromthewoods3638 I found them on alibaba
@@wisdomfromthewoods3638 Looks like my comment was deleted.. It can be found online at a chinese website...
super good comparison video!
Thank you!
Work smarter not harder grasshopper🤔
OK here's the real deal. I'm 55 years old and I poured stairs this past fall using and mixing in a wheelbarrow. I used (80) 80 pound bags and it was a pain in the ass! Between moving the bags / cutting them open, mixing and then moving the heavy effin wheelbarrow more times than I can remember it's thoroughly exhausting. I don't care what you mix it with, shovel, rake, pixie dust spreader....doesn't matter it's still a hell of a job. If you have a bigger job do yourself and your back a favor and rent one of these, you'll see why. I don't know about you but my time is valuable, I can make more money but I can't make up time lost I could have been doing another project. Stop being such a cheap ass!!
A cheap ass? Yet there you are pouring stair yourself instead of hiring a contractor to do it. Clearly your time isnt as valuable as you claim.
You can get a decent rotary mixer for under $200, while this thing costs $3000. ?????????????????
Concrete is heavy and hard work. For a 1 man operation its worth it. I went from a kushlan barrel mixer to mud mixer and while yes its a large upfront cost to me its worth it. I get it though it was a tough pill to swallow.
Seemed to me running the mixer was a two person operation.
Not a good comparison at all you don’t mix concrete in a wheelbarrow with a shovel. You have to use a two hole perforated hoe to mix concrete in a wheelbarrow. 🙄
The entire point of this video was to mix concrete in a wheelbarrow w/ a shovel.
Not w/ a hoe.
As mentioned in the video “people online think they can out mix the mixer with a shovel”.
Maybe if enough people say they can do it fast with a hoe we can do another comparison view.
@@duracontracting just saying that the shovel is not the correct tool to mix concrete a hoe and there’s two 2 inch holes on left and right side of it is the correct tool for that particular job.
Just wish they'd lower the price.
It’s definitely a big upfront investment. However, if you have the work for the MudMixer it will pay for itself. Once the machine becomes profitable you won’t regret your investment.
what a crock ... compare to mixing with an upright concrete mixer ... not even an idiot is going to mix more than a pancake in his barrow .... sheesh
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Pathetic. Your attempt to make hand-mix look bad is a joke. There is no situation where this machine is significantly better to justify the price tag. Another case of selling to the gullible.
Humpty Dumpty