The last shop did NOT build this 327 for BURNOUTS!
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2023
- Most of the engines that we see in the shop have either never been rebuilt before, or were rebuilt so long ago that there's not much evidence of the last guys work...
Unfortunately, this 327 Small Block Chevy didn't last very long, and now we know why.
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You talk about tearing down with 2 people.... the folks that complain or comment negatively has never had a piston fall out of a cylinder catching the joint of the middle finger between it and the tear down table
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Were they 202 intake heads ?
Good job I spent some time in a shop and brought back some God memories thanks
You know he's a good engine builder when he measures something and it's not right then he goes and double checks that his measuring tool is measuring correct. That impressed me.
The sign of a true professional. "This is unbelievable. Let me check my tools, they might be broken."
Well, any competent professional would do that if the reading you get does not add up, what we have here as with most of Jim's video's is the difference of a shop with the right tools and knowledge vs a "shop" that has a "engine cylinder boring machine", aka a milling machine not designed for truing cylinder walls (it can be done but you need to know what you are doing).
Yeah, my machine shop gets nervures when I come to pick up my motor and I bring MY OWN old school dial bore gauge and mics and calculator! lol, They all know I am a journeyman machinist and I check everything as I HATE rework !. There are some advantages to being 70 years old guys. Other younger Machinists fear me.
As a retired machinist of 45 years, that is common practice when doing close tolerance work.
@@hydroy1 I had one of the rip off "muffler" shops tell me my rotors were worn out and would not pass the state inspection. The mechanic got out his calipers and showed me. All seemed fishy to me, so I told them no and to put the car down. Got home and checked with my personal micrometer and they were well with the service life. That shop was using mis-calibrated tools to rip people off doing unnecessary repairs.
Wow, the hone looks like it was done with a brick!
This was the best comment. Lmao I thought the same!
I was guessing that it was done with a rat tail file.
Yes a very oversized brick!
i was thinking some one did it buy hand with sand paper
Bricks will work if you can keep em in the chuck !?!
When I was a kid in the late 60's these engines were our go-to mill for building hot rods. We were building and dropping GM V8s into literally everything. No Fords or Mopars here 😉 This was all done in a barn in Eastern Long Island. We had a reputation, for sure. We wouldn't charge anything for labor as ours was a labor of love, so whoever wanted us to do their cars paid for the materials/supplies. All machining was subleted, of course. These experiences set me on the path of automotive service. After four years as an Engineman in the Navy, I was offered a position with Porsche. I must say that rebuilding a Porsche engine with extreme tolerances was eye-opening. I attended all of the Porsche tech schools. After 10+ years with Porsche, I started my own shop... back to Eastern Long Island where I built a very successful business. I am retired now, but seeing this being done brought back some incredible memories. Thanks... thanks a lot! 💥
Hey guys that was fun! Thanks for taking the time to do the video. I'm a huge 327 fan, too bad about this one. The operation was a success but the patient died. 😢 Keep up the good work! 🏁
The comments during the teardown are educational. Yep, I liked that he puts the dial indicator on the cylinders. Watching someone who knows their trade measuring is an education by itself. Great video!
First real job I had at 16 was working after school and weekends in an old Auto Parts store that had a full machine shop in the back. It was 1970 and you were expected to learn everything. For the shop my first jobs were tear down, hot tanking, and steam cleaning. I also learned you never try to catch an engine falling off a work bench; I have a nice scar on my arm to remind me. I'm at the end of the trail health wise and this was such a pleasure watching you fellows work. Thank you for the memories...
Your comment made me grin ear to ear! It's so great to "hear" you recall the exuberance of youth! Keep those comments coming! I'm sure I'm not the only one that really enjoys them!
Me too brother...was pumping gas in 1969…in a 'full service " gas station... Even had a body shop, I ended up in the "machine shop", lots of memories !!!
Worked in a machine shop when I was young, I still remember the smell of cutting oil. It's a shame that 327 is in such condition. One possibility is to sleeve the cylinders but the cost would most likely be more than another block with some meat left on the bone. I know what you mean about health. It takes us to about 45-50 to get our heads right and then our bodies fall apart!
@@michaelrscott8969 - Ha! I was pumping fully leaded gas in 1958 !!!! When it was in the 20-30cent range per gallon, and gas wars took Regular down to 17 cents a gallon... :)
@@stoveboltlvr3798ant that the truth . If we all could go back we be millionaires. But then we wouldn’t be who we are . The best thing is to always pass on knowledge. Bless you
A 1965 8-cone engine with a VVT. Amazing!
Way ahead of it's time with that sort of technology 🤣
327 V-Tech
Cone? Never heard that one. Thanks for the new lingo
And wireless (blew-tooth?) piston skirt.
@@3xeplodng_3agle_studios 10 over on the top, 2 under at the bottom: cones!
I am 57 years old , Mechanic and engine builder.This brings back so many memories from High school automotive shop early 80s searching junkyards for older engines to tear down and rebuild to put in our Camaros ,Chevelles ,Novas etc. as they always had better internals than the stuff that was brand new in the 80s at the time. We used to ponder what it must’ve been like to have bought new cars with all that power in the late 60s and early 70s. We were all coming up in the trade. Now we work on LS and LT engines all roller some all forged internals straight from the factory With triple the reliable power.How times have changed.But nothing beats a GEN one small block There’s one in my Camaro in the garage and the video reminds me of working with my teacher so many years ago when I was 16 thank you guys
Man... the nice quality chatter you two have and the feeling of, no rush, just do a good job like we always do and it will be fine. Relaxed, professional, efficient. I love it
Sure is a pleasure to watch two people who enjoy each other’s company, working and documenting an engine build.
No drama, an engine tear down.
its not an engine anymore someone destroyed it
Meanwhile at the shop where I work everyone is talking sh*t nonstop 😭
Thank you both for your time on this video. It is clear that quality and consistency in specifications were a foreign language to the previous machinist(s) back in 2019. We really appreciate you both showing the community what quality machine work is all about. It's too bad a 327 block is scrap, but that's all part of it. Enjoy the weekend!
Agreed, glad they have the engine at a place that will give them their $'s worth this time.
It was a bummer to find it in this condition. I was looking forward to a 327 build series! Thanks for watching!
I got a 327 over here in Severance you can rebuild
It could just be that the 30 year olds at the shop that rebuilt that 327 had never actually seen a pushrod V8 in their life, because they would have been 10 years old when modular overheads became the norm -- they did that 327 liked I'd do a flathead V8
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Nope, you'd NEVER do even a flat-head that badly, unless you actually tried to do it. Even then, anyone with the smallest degree of mechanical sympathy wouldn't be able to.
I absolutely love how he walked around the engine and looked over it as he thought and spoke. Shows the he knows what he looking at and knows what he talking a out. A true, everyday professional. If he told me something, I’d listen
the cleaning guy reminds me of my father. the depth of knowledge and down to earth attitude
Man, this cleaning guy is something else. Just yesterday he was in flywheel mode...now deep into a teardown and failure analysis...amazing! I hope he gets a raise soon 👍
It's fantastic to see and hear the two of you working together AND on an engine from the glory days. It's sad that the previous person doomed the block to it's demise.
There's always the chance that, knowing there were already issues with the block (which may eell have been well loved, and regularly gone through - possibly bored twice before going a full 0.060 over.
So, there's a real good possibility the decision was made to give a younger fella coming up in the trade do the entire build because, we learn what doesn't work by rolling up our sleeves and making our own mistakes.
Having a really experienced builder look at the aftermath takes guts! :)
Indeed these were some nostalgic glory days. My first car was a small block 69 Chevy.
@@sharedknowledge6640 As hard as it can be, I'm always doing my best to look forward, too - thinking "What cars are the kids of today going to talk about 40 and 50 years from now? To me, what we as a people leave the generations to come is what's most important. Everything else DOES in fact come after that.
While the days of "Keep it simple" may SEEM to be gone - they are not. Many of us KEEP that in focus because we choose to.
@sharedknowlwdge5540 - Great nick-name. The above, I believe, states why I think it's an awesome handle.
1.) Go faster than the other guy
2.) Don't fk up!
Simple - and keeps it FUN! 😁
The tapered cylinders is a feature. It helps the pistons slow down at the bottom, and then on the way back up, the action of the rings expanding as the cylinder widens out helps slingshot them. Good for an extra 50HP at least!
Ha. Ha. Ha
Easy mod by honing while pistons in block . 😂
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I used to watch my dad and uncles work on motors, so I find it fascinating to watch you guys wade into this job and identify the problems. Amazing knowledge! Thanks!
I just love hearing this older gentleman talk. he is so wise and has so many decades of experience. he is irreplaceable.
I think it's pretty cool that family works together like you two do. I'm blessed, I work with my 2 sons 6 days a week.
So cool to see another father son duo. I work for my pops at his machine shop also. Cool to see someone else keeping it alive
I really like the dad explaining and talking about this engine. Thanks!
Honestly, I think it's awesome that you're taking an interest in your dad's passion. My dad is a master tool and die machinist, I love the work he does. Spending those quality moments in the shop with your dad will make wonderful and fond memories as you get older and grow a family of your own. You can then pass on all those precious moments, learning experiences, and so on. Mad respect for you guys. Love the shorts as well.
Not only do I love watching both of your commentary and machine work… but I envy your relationship with your father and the skills he is passing down to you.
What a mess at the bottoms of the cylinders. If this block was special for whatever reason,would you ever consider sleeving the cylinders? That I would love to see. I saw one cylinder sleeved on a 396 or a 402 because it was a numbers matching build. Great video.
Went thru this with the 327 engine in my brother in law’s 68 Camaro. Block was .060 over & crank was wiped. We found a four bolt main 350 in a Chevy pickup at a local junkyard. Purchased & rebuilt that engine for his Camaro. That was 22 years ago and he still has that same car & same engine. Still runs like a top.
This is going to sound really sad but I kind of wish the engine in my pickup truck was failing, so I could send it up to you guys to have it torn down and rebuilt. I used to know a guy that would do engines like you do it but he's long since past so anyway it's one of the best teardowns I've ever seen in I can only imagine how well you put them back together. Thanks for your channel!
Agree with you, I have a friend in the repair business that has been doing it for over 40 years. He retired, and its hard to find the same level of skills that compare to his.
Jim is the best! Since 1980!
I am addicted to this channel there attention to detail is phenomenal and just from watching I have learned quite and bit of do’s and don’ts I’m glad I came across those FB short videos of the machining
Thank you 2 for taking the time to video and explaining and voice what you see and sharing your knowledge and experience!!!
Wow! Watching the cleaning guys expert analysis of engine failure. Thanks for sharing your dad with us.
I am always impressed with how much knowledge the cleaning guy has amassed over the years. You should think about giving him a promotion.
Isn't that his son? Sure sounded like it
Enjoyed this video. Watching you work together reminds me of working with my dad. Unfortunately he has been gone for little over ten years now. So take all these moments you can while you can.
Thank you Gentlemen
May your memories always make you smile.
it is not pathetic to have 2 people tear down an engine. it is smart and Great to have someone to talk to
I thought a guy on each side tearing down was pretty slick.
Love the teardown tray built into the engine stand.
The other channel that you saw the teardown on. Was more than likely "I do cars."
Between him tearing down engines in your building a backup I truly get my fix.
I watch I do cars too. He has a great knowledge of engines and how they go bad
My uncle taught me engine rebuilding. He was a tool and die maker for Buick in Flint. He was a perfectionist. RIP uncle Larry.
This has always been a dream of mine to rebuild motors with my dad. I would love doing this
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Dad the Cleaning Guy is a fan of the "I Do Cars" channel engine teardowns. Can confirm that the speeding up of the audio while using the impact gun does make it sound like a laser gun.
Watching you both working together on one engine teardown has been quite the show. You have the knowledge and humor to make entertaining videos while also educating on what it takes to put back an engine together.
My first thought was the “I Do Cars” channel 😂
Yup Me too 😂
I really enjoy hearing your dad talk about this engine! His experience and knowledge is wonderful!! Thank you!
Your Dad is a gem, the knowledge he has is amazing!. It's nice to see people who care about their work..
I am an old-school machinist 37 years experience I am not an engine guy but this is definitely a very interesting video your bore gauge with the yellow tinted glass definitely has a lot of experience
nice to see you guys working together. love the cleaning guy talking us through his thoughts. that motor is the worst mess i've ever seen.
one thing i would say is i'd rather that cleaning guy rebuild my engine any day
That motor isn't that bad....where have you been Hal?.... Apparently not near engines
@@brianglade848 - He reminds me a little bit of Eric on I Do Cars. Of course this engine was a jewel compared to some of the engines Eric tears down.
That block was bored with a fence post auger 😂
Bah haha ha haha
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The video that brought me here. All the way from Australia, and I'm enjoying seeing old school pride in your work.
two good engine guys taking it apart is excellent ...the back and forth adds a dimension to this work that adds understanding.. a great video
That is a great candidate for a coffee table build for home decor!
Nah! You make a nice table out of a Ferrari scrap block, not that piece of orange junk!
@@samrodian919 im not interested in italian crap.
Your Dad is a gem, the knowledge he has is amazing!
It's nice to see people who care about their work.
I love the teamwork between you 2 guys
Please continue with this build. Would love to know what the customer decides with regards to the block, and want to watch you either recondition this one (sleeves perhaps?) or the replacement block.
454 or decent proper built LS.. chev small blocks are a waste of space.. ford guy.. 350, built, designed wrong from get go.. cheap nasty sht..
Since this isn't going into a collector car or truck, it's easier and more cost-effective for the customer to just get a Target Master 350 and drop it in.
That particular block I wouldn't even consider resleeving, the meat's way too thin even for that.
Drop a long block 350 crate in it, remill and rebuild the heads, done. =)
They are better off just finding a decent 350 core and building that up.
That cam and intake are a great combination. Looks like they floated the valves which caused the broken spring damper. I agree that starting over with a 350 would be a better option. Large journal four inch bore blocks are still plentiful.
@@mikec9112 completely different block and crank. 400 is a 4.125 bore and I was talking about a 4 inch bore block for example an 010 block. They were talking about 327/350. Nobody said 400.
I have never once in my 40 years have seen and catalog reference a 350 crankshaft as medium journal. 2.30 = small journal pre 1967 and 68 up 4.00 bore and 2.45 which = large journal. Nobody ever mentioned a 400 sbc in this video and it was only made with one main bearing size not two. So good luck with your nonsense that your sourced from some false internet article.
@@mikemaccracken3112 Absolutely correct! That 327 is a "small journal" crank. I ran NHRA Super Street with a 327 block, 283 small journal crank, 4.030 bore which is actually considered a 302 (like the Z-28 motor configuration). There is no medium journal in 283 or 327. Not only are small journal crankshafts hard to find, a decent 327 small journal block is even harder to find. There really is no reason not to switch to a 350 block configuration. Plenty of reasonably priced parts available and plenty of configurations possible!
@@mikec9112 Yea, the later Ford 302 blocks just split in half when you put some power in them. Garbage 🗑
Thanks for sharing your experience
Man I wish so badly that I still had my father here to do this stuff with, you are truly a lucky man bro
I'm glad that you mentioned four corner scuffing. 20 years ago, a guy talked about it, but I have never heard the reference since.
I like when the dad narrates and the son operates the camera. Good team and good video.
This is awesome. Engines, machining, and doin it all with dad. This is just too cool
Love the show! Thank you for sharing.
Looks like someone found the joy of a three stone spring honer. And for $30 you too can build a hotrod😂
I’ve done plenty of bores with a three stone and I’d be ashamed if they looked like that.
@@stevenhobbs709me too lol it looks as if a 40 grit bit of paper was wrapped around a 4" dowel rod somehow and run in a drill for half an hour only going to the bottom of the bore once in a while!
I think you guys are being generous! Looks to me like they just used 60 grit sandpaper and honed, literally, by hand! Yikes!
@@samrodian919Bubba. “Ya wanna see how to hone a cylinder. Hold my beer and watch this!”
I used a cheap 3 spring spring honer on an Ford V6 engine when I was young and foolish. It took 1000 miles to break the engine in. Had no power and ever so slowly the rings seated. Then it was okay. It was in a daily driver. I was surprised that it never burnt any oil.
Longtime licensed aircraft mechanic here.
Totally impressed with the work you folks do.
Forbidden glitter and missing piston nuggets-truly well destructed!
I’m new to this channel. After reading what everyone has to say sealed the deal for me . I love family real life channels. Things that you may really need to know and family stuff.
Watching these guys makes me smile. I remember air tools was the rule. Lol
Tear down is always a pleasure. I love a mystery.
Gentlemen, thanks for sharing
If it were a numbers matching car/block I'd pay to fix it, but she's a boat anchor now.
What's the point of numbers matching?
Says a guy who thinks he knows what his talking about
@@dreadnoughtprime6301 cars used to have have the last part of the vin stamped into the block. Just a way to check if a old car is original. I had a 65 cheny impala ss that was numbers matching, made it worth a couple of 1000 more.
@@raynyhus2026 So it's useful for people who want to sell a vehicle to others who are obsessed with things being "all original"?
@@dreadnoughtprime6301 The value of a 'numbers matching' engine is dependent on the desirability of the car. For example, in Australia a very sought after car is the Ford Falcon GT HO Phase 3 that is fitted with a Cleveland 351 engine. In an original state, the said Falcon is worth between AUS $750,000 to 1,000,000 (equivalent to US 500,000 to $670,000) - depending on overall condition. If the same car is fitted with a non-matching numbers engine then its value would be less than 40% of that $750-1,000k. However, if you have no interest in money, or never have the need to sell a valuable car, then a numbers matching engine would be of no interest to you.
202 heads, eh? Very nice. With that much taper in the bores, it's amazing the thing even ran.
I really appreciate how straightforward and knowledge packed this channel is.. Nothing but the facts mama 🔥
The level of knowledge/attention to detail is truly immaculate. 😳🤯 Subscribing now.
Back in the '70s I worked in a m/c shop that did a lot of machining work. The Kiwk Way boring bar was designed for a 3.5" max diameter. I had to bore a new style short stroke engine one time and the bore was in excess of the 3.5". I worried about what would happen and I saw the same 'chatter' on the bottom of the cylinder as you saw on the 327. Maybe that's what happened on this particular engine. What the real problem was the cutting tool had to be extended out too far and I think that is where the damage occurred.
I am not at all familiar with a dedicated boring machine, but as a retired machinist who has bored thousands of bores in 45 years I can tell you that if you have a long bar that starts to chatter, switching to a HSS tool and slowing it way down in SFM may be the only way to get the chatter out. Not the productive way, ($$$) when time is money, but you have to work with what you have available.
I'm an engineer in Missouri and I could learn SO MUCH from you guys! Love your videos!
Great detail for us beginners. Thank you
My first sbc back in 1986 was a 67 327 out of an impala someone " rebuilt" it ran goodi drove it for 6or 7 months. The guides were shot and the oil pressure would drop pretty low at idle . Then flywheel started rubbing the starter so i took it apart crank had been turned .20 and the thurst flange was worn
When you let us see the bore gage fluctuation from bottom to top that really shows us how far out it was....Thanks for that!
Thanks that was an awesome video and explanation with the teardown and diagnosis well done!
Fun watching you guys work!
As a proud owner of my own expanding midsection I must compliment your Dad on his sveltness - while at the same time welcoming the young fella to the club. Great video, live the work, presentation and the spotless shop. Perfect. Thanks b
The amount of knowledge this man has is unbelievable
I would like say, I very much lIke you both to be be breaking down an engine together, it nice to see a father and son work well together, not to mention the humour! Thanks
I certainly miss working on engine's like this. Mind therapy!! Something I really enjoyed
Reminds me a lot of watching UTG (uncle tony's garage) and Kiwi's Customs showing flips that went seriously wrong. This could have been a bad flip engine. Thanks guys and keep on smiling.
First engine teardown I've seen y'all do. Love the attention to detail and knowledge. Hope business keeps going strong for y'all!
I usually watch I Do Cars for his weekly teardowns, however watching an actual machinist with 40 years experience sure is cool. Looks like someone really got ripped off.
Subbed.
Your Dad is a gem, the knowledge he has is amazing!. A 1965 8-cone engine with a VVT. Amazing!.
I once had a cracked Dodge 318 block of that era (in the water jacket). I took it to 3 different welders, and they all refused to weld to because it was cast. I ended up using water glass to seal it. I ran it for another 8 years before trading it.
A very good and detailed description of everything that happened to this old 327. Unless time and money are no issue, most customers would be better off just buying an entire new replacement 350 engine and just start over.
Hey, hey it's great to see father son working together I miss my dad they he passed about 15 years ago and we work together all I can tell you is cherish these moments
I learned a few things watching this video , thanks for posting this video .
Would love to watch the assembly as well .
I think it's awesome that you guys tear down an engine together! That is something I never got to do with my Dad. Good times and good memories in the making. You are both lucky guys! Maybe he should step up to a 3.75 stroke crank since he has to buy one anyway? Thanks for doing these videos.
This video takes me back to my HS days. We had a full automotive machine shop in the Vo-tech I attended near Philadelphia. First SBC engine I ever built was a large journal 327 for my brother's Studebaker pick up.
I wish your shop was closer. It’s hard to find good machine shops that actually care about their work. Thanks for the disassembly discussion video. Thanks.
Some people are not meant to be Machinist, it has already been said. Great tear down guys, love it!
This is one of the most interesting tear-downs I've seen. Sad to see a small-journal 327 get scrapped. Just as well it ended without wrecking the 461 heads, as it wasn't going to last much longer anyway. I appreciate the time you spent, carefully showing us what you could already see. Hope the owner has you build a proper "burn-out 350!"
Fuck that.... put a big block in it.. 👍
for a cleaning guy and a camera guy, you guys sure are learning your way around an engine. someday you guys will be ready to work on engines!
Great vid. Lots of good info and experience in there. Good explanations.
Just subscribed. Love your videos. Keep them coming. Excellent.
I've never seen guides that worn out! That taper bore just is wild!
If I could make a suggest regarding your videos: I think you should put a soft limiter/compressor on your audio when editing as the clangs and bangs can be a little high. Great video and teardown. Your Dad, sorry, the cleaning guy is getting much more comfortable and professional in front of the camera now; you could even say he is liking the new presenter role :)
Glad you explained about the crank key and the fact it's press on I've had ppl recommend me tapping a bolt instead of press but I prefer original
Now that I am retired, I enjoyed the video as it taught me much of the background of my brother's knowledge.
Forty-two years ago, I assisted my youngest brother rebuild my 350 cubic inch Chevy engine for my 1970 1/2 - 1971 full size van where the bearings went bad at 47,000 miles. My, six years younger, brother learned his skill in high school auto shop. I made sawdust in high school wood shop and was in a college business program. I learned much about engines being his helper and go-fer.
In preparation for the van engine rebuild, we had rebuilt my 65 Chevelle six banger twice as I was too cheap to spend an additional $20 for a new cam shaft. The $10 remanufactured cam shaft broke one week after reassembly. We didn't have more than basic tools and had to make use of loaners and machine shop services.
Needless to say, we had more energy than knowledge. To pull the van engine, we removed the passenger seat and door to pull the engine out the passenger door utilizing an engine hoist. Twelve hours to remove and twelve hours to replace the engine on subsequent weekends. During the intervening week, R&R the internal parts and have machining done.
It was several years later that I learned the proper way was to disconnect the front wheel assembly, lift the front bumper up and to roll the engine out on the front wheel assembly.
Great video. I myself have never understood the obsession with burnouts. To me, it's senseless destruction of good equipment unless your goal is to destroy your engine and driveline.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Absolutely agree with you, @dougnorton5143 ! Only a real Burnout will participate in such foolishness... Doing this breaks everything and shreds tires to nothing for what????? Show us what you can do in the quarter mile, if you can count that far... :)
I had to work too hard for what I had, and I certainly wasn't going to intentionally destroy it.
It's nice to see the cleaning guy stepping away from the solvent tank and using his years of experience to teach us how and why a motor failed.
REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK TO SHOW EVERY STEP AND DETAIL,,,THNX,,,[[A 91 YR OLD MECHANIC ]] CANADA
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