@@stvrob6320 Or in ground effect, which he wasn't. And never in gusty winds which you can hear in the video. Doesn't look like there was much, if any, damage.
Why do they have to test their wings so close to the ground? I first learned to stall and spin at 4000 feet AGL. Make all the mistakes you like and get out of trouble.
Looks like a competition...No one wants to crash their aircraft, but when you are competing you are pushing the limits of yourself, the pilot, and the aircraft. Things like this are bound to happen and they are willing to take that risk. Having said that, this was one of the most gentle crashes I have seen.
A wing dips while the wing is in a stall or near-stall. The plane goes into a spin in that direction. It's the texbook description of how a plane goes into a spin. Thanks for the illustration, in slow-motion, no less.
OR.........P factor is involved from adding power without enough aileron authority. Too slow to to counteract the roll tendency, this has killed many low time pilots who advanced too early to high performance aircraft.
Look at the aileron, down on the stalling wing and up on the flying wing. Was he aware of approaching the stall and prepared to act immediately? The rudder input was absent, speaks volumes.
When in initial flight training my instructor made me set up a near stall on approach and then made me put my hands in my lap, allowing the use of the rudder only to keep the wings level. The instruction was extremely valuable and it stuck with me though I never needed it, that training was always the first response to a stalled wing rather than aileron which increases drag on the wing you don't want down. Preach this to the rafters!
@@jeependousAlso funny seeing all the comments sayinf that he's wrecked the plane. I highly doubt a STOL plane is all that bothered by what's basically a bump at 5MPH.
What? No. Any plane can stall provided it has the elevator authority or wing loading to do so. Cub type aircraft have elevator authority in droves.. the extremely long arm of the tail is what makes it so slow and allows you to get and keep the tail flying.
@@calvinnickel9995 Yes but realistically - nobody would/should ever fly this slow this close to the ground/round out this high unless they were doing this to achieve the shortest possible landing distance
More importantly, the number of good landings must equal the number of takeoffs. And to carry on: any lending you can walk away from is a good landing, but any landing that lets you use the aircraft again is a great landing.
I would say that's all he used. You would think people that do this much slow flight would have the fundamentals down. Only use rudder, especially with the amount of torque from that throttle up.
TF u mean ''pilot'? This was an STOL competition and a spin - also, technically, no it didn't - it spun, this was likely unprompted and there's no sign of the pilot attempting left wing down - yes, all pilots should know how to recover/avoid a stall/spin this close to the ground but it is a mistake many experienced pilots have made and he is lucky to be alive. He definitely should not have his license put into question by strangers on the internet. Absolutely no need for the speech marks.
@@orangegherkin3420 I gotta wonder if a gust didn't catch his starbord wing and started the plane slipping left. At that altitude, things happen very quickly. I applaud the pilot for being able to keep the rubber side down, when all was said and done.
@@orangegherkin3420if you look closely he induced a stall spin attitude, there was no indication of yaw and rudder input, not saying he’s a horrible pilot, but in this case poor input in particular conditions, look closely at the video, closely he corrects but un successful with right roll when right rudder would have saved him
That's true, doesn't help when you apply aileron to lift the dropping wing leading to a tip stall. Recovery for that at such a slow speed is lots of rudder. Seen the same happen here in New Zealand, spot landing competition.
@@11235but Your experiences with this situation? The KitFox operating instruction for such situations is to apply opposite rudder which would have authority from the propeller slipstream and leave the ailerons neutral so as not to precipitate a tip stall.
The odd thing is it maybe be saved by slight push and neutral aileron, but right hand makes it worse as inducing yaw and thereby slowing the left wing. The way is help unstall wings. Jean-François
Down aileron sent detached turbulent air forward on the left wing while any fluttering trailing edge flow on the other wing cleaned up with the angle of attack reduction from up aileron.
Consider also, that it changes the chord of the wing. It takes an airfoil right on the edge and drops it past the critical point while at the same time reducing the angle on the right wing, improving its performance.
And why did s/he say that? Makes no sense. I've seen this sentence on many interwebs, seems ludicrous, why do people say it? Is it a joke? LIke a make-you-laugh ha ha ha the irony? Or is it a pop culture reference? Need to know!!!!!!! Or is it not for normies? I'm a normie. Or maybe not. I correct grammar mistakes on the internet while also making them myself, what a life! What if a tire pops from side loading and the plane veers off into the grass, but everyone walks away from it? Good landing right? Nah. Gotta be an inside joke.
Nobody said you need to be smart to be a pilot, but it sure as hell helps. If he is going to practice edge of death slow flight, it helps to be a lot lower so that the gear just drop onto the runway
Pilot seemed to remember the first part of stall recovery (he put on some power, should have put on more), but completely forgot the "stick forward" part - if anything deepened the stall with slight pull back.
Establishing neutral ailerons takes brain power and thinking time, the ailerons should have been kept firmly neutral and a wing drop should have instinctive opposite rudder, no time lost. Stick forward when the mind catches up then tons of power.
@@langdons2848 Well yeah, it seems like on every aviation post you get the “Old, bold pilots” thing or “Swiss cheese model” or “Better to be on the ground…”, so I just kind of combined them.
Kept his wits about him, killed the engine right quick--between wingtip strike and wheel bounce!--in case of prop strike... but as noted elsewhere, used aileron when rudder was called for. STOL aircraft typically have good rudder authority right down to sub-stall speeds, but all high-wings lose some airflow past the vertical stab when flaps are down. Only do this with YOUR plane, never a rental, lol.
Realizes he's in the crap ... applies power ... bit not the slightest sign of any pitch-down elevator to fix the insane level of nose high. Shake my head.
slow mo, 00:34, he has been riding right rudder , up elevator, neutral aileron. Left wing droops he goes right aileron and neutral rudder, newb mistake, he also increases throttle slightly at 00:30 and when wing drops he floors throttle increasing torque and p factor. all with neutral rudder, he neutralizes elevator but never goes full forward on the elevator for recovery. he was not prepared to recover what he was about to cause.
It's literally in the video title.... Every man, woman and child that watched this video knew it was coming, that's why we clicked, so we could watch it happen.
Such a basic thing to mess up. Put your nose down and power out. He even uses right aileron as the left wing stalls which is precisely the wrong thing to do - it will just stall even more. The thing that really annoys me about these clowns is that they THINK they're great pilots.
These STOL planes can fly so slow that even a crash is no big deal! This looks like the damage is entirely repairable and the pilot is probably not at all injured.
He looked for the limit, and he found it.
That's a maneuver he should be doing at altitude.
Take it to the limit one more time-Eagles
@@stvrob6320 Or in ground effect, which he wasn't. And never in gusty winds which you can hear in the video. Doesn't look like there was much, if any, damage.
There are easier ways to park an airplane . LoL 😂
in RC aeromodelling we call “ Harrier “
Its impressive how hard he had to work to get that extremely high performance airplane to biff.
An F-15 is an extremely high performance airplane, not a cub
@@Alexius1Komnenos There is more than one type of performance. A high performance STOL airplane is a high performance airplane..
@@Alexius1Komnenos An F15 can't land on a parking lot
Why do they have to test their wings so close to the ground? I first learned to stall and spin at 4000 feet AGL. Make all the mistakes you like and get out of trouble.
@@billhamilton2366 They were probably practicing short landings
Looks like a competition...No one wants to crash their aircraft, but when you are competing you are pushing the limits of yourself, the pilot, and the aircraft. Things like this are bound to happen and they are willing to take that risk.
Having said that, this was one of the most gentle crashes I have seen.
Nah, looks like someone showing off........
To be fair, his landing roll was very short.
A wing dips while the wing is in a stall or near-stall. The plane goes into a spin in that direction. It's the texbook description of how a plane goes into a spin. Thanks for the illustration, in slow-motion, no less.
The wing dips because that wing has stalled.
Very interesting.
yeah yeah sherlock
OR.........P factor is involved from adding power without enough aileron authority. Too slow to to counteract the roll tendency, this has killed many low time pilots who advanced too early to high performance aircraft.
@@kalamageo That's not P factor. That's engine torque. P factor creates yaw.
And he was doing so well, right up to the point where he wasnt
Look, We got 100 feet passed where we went down the last time
@@dontall71 And it only cost me 100,000 dollars to do it!
Gradually and then all at once
That’s kind how stalls work lol
That's usually how these things go.
Once again a perfectly serviceable aircraft takes its operator to the scene of the crash.
Lol nice
oh dear... that's funneeeee!
At least this one wasn’t blatant incompetence. He was knowingly pushing the limits and I believe this plane has already been repaired.
Nah, It’s still serviceable but will probably pull in one direction now.
It looks like they’re purposely trying to stall. Perhaps, not a crash then, but a test that was successfully executed.
That moment when gravity suddenly realises what's going on.
Like in a cartoon when they run off a cliff and then they are fine until they look down. The pilot should have never looked down.
explain GRAVITY
@@jimmyhaley727 it's something very serious
Look at the aileron, down on the stalling wing and up on the flying wing. Was he aware of approaching the stall and prepared to act immediately? The rudder input was absent, speaks volumes.
yep, they always follow instinct, lack of training on the ground engine off
you nailed it. rudder, rudder, rudder
Exactly correct...
When in initial flight training my instructor made me set up a near stall on approach and then made me put my hands in my lap, allowing the use of the rudder only to keep the wings level. The instruction was extremely valuable and it stuck with me though I never needed it, that training was always the first response to a stalled wing rather than aileron which increases drag on the wing you don't want down. Preach this to the rafters!
The added thrust would also have tended to induce a left wing drop.
I guess he found his stall speed.
It was a STOL competition. During these trials, pilots see who can land the shortest distance. This is the reason why you see cones.
How do so many people not get this? Even without the cones it’s clear he is deliberately pushing stall speed to get the shortest landing.
@@jeependousAlso funny seeing all the comments sayinf that he's wrecked the plane.
I highly doubt a STOL plane is all that bothered by what's basically a bump at 5MPH.
@@dennied7826 He bashed both wing tips . The entire wing is going to have to be torn down , inspected and repaired as necessary
@fredbugden3511 and then the plane will be back into service a week or two later.
So basically, the plane isn't wrecked.
Bear in mind, a Valujet crew landed a 737 within a 300 foot circle
Takes skill to STALL STOL
Probably trying the stol competition as a leading factor for the crash
What? No.
Any plane can stall provided it has the elevator authority or wing loading to do so.
Cub type aircraft have elevator authority in droves.. the extremely long arm of the tail is what makes it so slow and allows you to get and keep the tail flying.
@@calvinnickel9995 Yes but realistically - nobody would/should ever fly this slow this close to the ground/round out this high unless they were doing this to achieve the shortest possible landing distance
@@orangegherkin3420Welcome to a STOL competition reeeeee
@@orangegherkin3420doesn't going as slow as he is remove most of the danger though?
It must really suck to go from "everyone is watching me showing off my skill" to "everyone is watching me break my airplane" in 3 seconds.
The airplane will always find the ground - with or without your help.
Takeoffs are optional............landings are mandatory.
He landed ,BUT did he walk away to fly another day. Gravity will always cause you to land .
More importantly, the number of good landings must equal the number of takeoffs.
And to carry on: any lending you can walk away from is a good landing, but any landing that lets you use the aircraft again is a great landing.
In a similar vein: Any ship can be a submarine, once.
Dot, dot, dot...dot, dot, dot...etc.!?! Any idea what it means, or just use it to be included in the 'race for the bottom'?
@@cliffjones8809 No: not unless it can SURFACE, which is the difference between a sub and a something sunken.
He must have thought he was flying a helicopter.
Full right rudder, dude. Putting in all that right aileron just made it worse.
Non-pilots won't understand that but your comment wins the prize.
Maybe he panicked and forgot to use the rudder. Could happen to anyone. Ultra-low-speed flight requires the use of both your head and your feet :)
Exactly correct. That right aileron went full up and then the plane rolled hard left.
I made that same mistake during my check ride. Of course, I was at 3500 feet. The very nice FAA examiner gave me a second try and I nailed that one.
He nailed the parking spot.
and with the left over nails ,he can repair the wing.
Probably used ductape though because that fixes everything @@enoz.j3506
Blues Brothers parking job in an airplane.
He meant to do that.
Like a glove!
Bit too heavy on the ailerons, causing the "down aileron" to stall the left wing.
Yes exactly, well spotted
I would say that's all he used. You would think people that do this much slow flight would have the fundamentals down. Only use rudder, especially with the amount of torque from that throttle up.
That airplane did EXACTLY what the “pilot” told it to do
TF u mean ''pilot'? This was an STOL competition and a spin - also, technically, no it didn't - it spun, this was likely unprompted and there's no sign of the pilot attempting left wing down - yes, all pilots should know how to recover/avoid a stall/spin this close to the ground but it is a mistake many experienced pilots have made and he is lucky to be alive. He definitely should not have his license put into question by strangers on the internet. Absolutely no need for the speech marks.
Yup….stall
@@orangegherkin3420 I gotta wonder if a gust didn't catch his starbord wing and started the plane slipping left.
At that altitude, things happen very quickly.
I applaud the pilot for being able to keep the rubber side down, when all was said and done.
@@orangegherkin3420if you look closely he induced a stall spin attitude, there was no indication of yaw and rudder input, not saying he’s a horrible pilot, but in this case poor input in particular conditions, look closely at the video, closely he corrects but un successful with right roll when right rudder would have saved him
The plane reacted to inputs.@@orangegherkin3420
Applying power at that attitude, torque reaction will eat you
thats what did for him
That's true, doesn't help when you apply aileron to lift the dropping wing leading to a tip stall. Recovery for that at such a slow speed is lots of rudder.
Seen the same happen here in New Zealand, spot landing competition.
That was just stupid
Cutting power is no good either
@@11235but Your experiences with this situation? The KitFox operating instruction for such situations is to apply opposite rudder which would have authority from the propeller slipstream and leave the ailerons neutral so as not to precipitate a tip stall.
Keep pitching up too high and nearing a stall and then the headwind gives out and there ya go!
Once he pulled power the AOA looked like it increased because the pitch didn't change.
Didn't seem to anticipate that.
As my "old man" used to say when I broke something, "now you got yourself a bunch of junk."
The odd thing is it maybe be saved by slight push and neutral aileron, but right hand makes it worse as inducing yaw and thereby slowing the left wing.
The way is help unstall wings.
Jean-François
Yes. At that high alpha the left aileron became his anchor. But he was doing very well up to that moment.
Down aileron sent detached turbulent air forward on the left wing while any fluttering trailing edge flow on the other wing cleaned up with the angle of attack reduction from up aileron.
Consider also, that it changes the chord of the wing.
It takes an airfoil right on the edge and drops it past the critical point while at the same time reducing the angle on the right wing, improving its performance.
bragger
Crash?? I see that as a plane doing an impression of a helicopter making a (slightly awkward) landing. Well done!
“Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing”. Said someone somewhere. 😂
"And if you can use the plane the next day it was perfect"
-Chuck Yeager, first man flying faster than the sound.
And why did s/he say that? Makes no sense. I've seen this sentence on many interwebs, seems ludicrous, why do people say it? Is it a joke? LIke a make-you-laugh ha ha ha the irony? Or is it a pop culture reference? Need to know!!!!!!! Or is it not for normies? I'm a normie. Or maybe not. I correct grammar mistakes on the internet while also making them myself, what a life! What if a tire pops from side loading and the plane veers off into the grass, but everyone walks away from it? Good landing right? Nah. Gotta be an inside joke.
@@PassionForGrammar men/women who are test pilots understand exactly what this meant when Chuck Yeager said it.
@@mray8519 Oh okay, yeah, so.. inside joke
Did he walk or CRAWL away in shame ?
No one said you needed to be smart to be a pilot.
He needed money for the high lift devices and tundra kit though.
Nobody said you need to be smart to be a pilot, but it sure as hell helps.
If he is going to practice edge of death slow flight, it helps to be a lot lower so that the gear just drop onto the runway
Award winner 🎊🏆🏆🏆🎊🏆. 😂😂😂
Yeah. Do you have any idea how much knowledge that a certified pilot is required to have? Didn’t think so.
This video kind of proves you do
Should have been steering with rudder and not aileron. In that configuration, all you do is use rudder and power.
Gravity was strong that day
Then why did it take so long for it to pull the plane down?
0:30 *START HERE. Nothing happens before.*
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
So original.
@@slay8467like yours! PRICELESS!
@@_DB.COOPER Very original.
@@youtubehandlesux have you ever had an original thought of your own?
@_DB.COOPER Über original
Can't believe that level of skills not using the rudder
But he added full right aileron. 😱😱🙄🙄🙄
That IS his level of skill.... 🙄🙄🙄
would that help at 2 mph? You need air moving over the surface to effect a force
He’s lucky the prop didn’t strike the ground. That would have added around $50-$75 thousand depending on engine/prop combination
Pilot seemed to remember the first part of stall recovery (he put on some power, should have put on more), but completely forgot the "stick forward" part - if anything deepened the stall with slight pull back.
Toooo late at 30 ft agl
@@hotrodray6802 At least it could have resulted in a wings level heavy landing on the mains rather than a wing tip landing.
Establishing neutral ailerons takes brain power and thinking time, the ailerons should have been kept firmly neutral and a wing drop should have instinctive opposite rudder, no time lost. Stick forward when the mind catches up then tons of power.
Looks like he stalled the left wing and then tried to corrrect it with an aileron command that made it worse.
Ouch. That got expensive really quick.
Something about Bold Pilots...
They wish they were on the ground eating a Swiss cheese sandwich…..
@@tomcoryell I see what you did there - rather than flying through its holes to their fate...
@@langdons2848 Well yeah, it seems like on every aviation post you get the “Old, bold pilots” thing or “Swiss cheese model” or “Better to be on the ground…”, so I just kind of combined them.
@@tomcoryell two facts about flying that we should absolutely be keeping front of mind.
"That was intensional! That was intensional!" Gimli, from the Lord of the Rings.
Damn you gravity! You win again!
I'm sure the pilot had some landing plan in mind that wasn't "Slow down, nose up, stall, crash", but I i can't imagine what it might have been.
I'm not sure if that one should be called a crash.
Sorry, buddy, you can’t park there
Kept his wits about him, killed the engine right quick--between wingtip strike and wheel bounce!--in case of prop strike... but as noted elsewhere, used aileron when rudder was called for. STOL aircraft typically have good rudder authority right down to sub-stall speeds, but all high-wings lose some airflow past the vertical stab when flaps are down. Only do this with YOUR plane, never a rental, lol.
Oh stop, he was flying on he edge and went over it. End of story. Only god knows the exact aerodynamics that happened.
Only do this on a rental. Never your own plane. :)
If he’s wondering how far? That’s how far.
That's nothing a hammer, a hot iron and a pair of scissors can't fix.
Your A&P has entered the chat.
He was demonstrating what it would look like if a dog was PIC…. Excellent
What on earth was he trying to do? That aircraft was willing to forgive almost everything he did behind the power curve, but he kept pushing it.
It was a STOL competition. He was trying to spot land in the shortest possible distance. The people on the runway are the judges.
@@nocalsteve OK, I guess that makes sense. Sort of....
@@nocalsteve Like the highest shallow diving competition, it can only end in tears.
He wanted to test the envelope and the envelope won.
Missed it by that much!
It’s so refreshing to know that everyone in the comments is an accomplished aviator. Clearly, the future of manned flight is in good hands
After repairing the airplane, he should enter it into “The How Close Can You Fly to a Tornado“ competition.
Realizes he's in the crap ... applies power ... bit not the slightest sign of any pitch-down elevator to fix the insane level of nose high. Shake my head.
he had enough horsepower until he realized he didnt
At first I thought the guy had a good headwind, then saw he had about a 30 degree alpha and was about thirty feet up, with no plan...
Curios. Is that airframe toast? Asking as an avid arm chair aviator…
A new wing spar probably, which isn't cheap but fixable.
@@LarsLarsen77 Thanks for following up🤜🤛🛩
Nah, it will all buff out!😅
@@paulorchard7960 Always a buff out comment, congrads on being that guy, never heard that before!
slow mo, 00:34, he has been riding right rudder , up elevator, neutral aileron. Left wing droops he goes right aileron and neutral rudder, newb mistake, he also increases throttle slightly at 00:30 and when wing drops he floors throttle increasing torque and p factor. all with neutral rudder, he neutralizes elevator but never goes full forward on the elevator for recovery. he was not prepared to recover what he was about to cause.
That might be one of the stall competitions
The idea of flying so slow, is a competition on how to land in a short a space as possible. It’s a challenge on the pilots skill!
Or lack thereof.
I knew that was coming.
It's literally in the video title.... Every man, woman and child that watched this video knew it was coming, that's why we clicked, so we could watch it happen.
Hello! Can we share the winning numbers please?
Hell of a crosswind skipper!
I was waiting for the stall to happen. He did probably regret that.
He stalled the wing because when he added power he also needed to lower the nose slightly.
He got lucky. He didn't f*** it up too good.
As long as his prop didn’t strike the ground, he can happily take right back off.
Took "Slow but safe" to another level 💀
That wings tweaked unnecessarily.
Pirouette landing. It's an advanced skill.
And he thought high speed cameras were expensive! Might have been cheaper to rent one than try to crash it in slow motion.
If you notice the wing tips are flexible, I think the pilot did this on purpose, he's probably did this a lot.
"There's yer problem", he said...
Ironically...He exceeded the speed limits.
Welp…must be a test pilot….🤣.
Was that a Super Stall?😂
No that is with T tails, Piper Tomahawk, Piper Arrow IV, DC 9, C-17.
You could hear that little crosswind gust on the video just before
When you haven’t decided whether you want an airplane or helicopter
MORE RIGHT RUDDER!!!
More cowbell!
😂 beat me to it!@@carlnordstrom7533
Another winner of the how slow/low can you go contest.
I don't understand why they didn't bail out. No chutes were seen, were they?
That ain't no crash, just an average landing.
Yep! Ya STALLED it, ya genius... 😂
The pilot could walk away from it, so it was a good landing.
That is a perfect textbook example of getting behind the power curve
Ok, but slamming aileron causes a stall.
He must be a helicopter pilot who is trying to fly a plane. Good job. 😂😂
Such a basic thing to mess up. Put your nose down and power out. He even uses right aileron as the left wing stalls which is precisely the wrong thing to do - it will just stall even more. The thing that really annoys me about these clowns is that they THINK they're great pilots.
Put the power in just as the left-wing dropped. Right rudder might have stopped the left wing dropping.....but no rudder effect without power. ...?..
What was he trying to do? Is flying on back of the power curve 5 feet above the ground a thing in STOL competitions?
If you want to fly in just one spot get a balloon.
He was trying for a back flip, then changed the plan & settled on a pirouette - neat 😊😊
Were the wings actually damaged, other than cosmetically scuffed? 🤔
Looks like the right wing crinkled up a couple of ribs in.
That was during a slow flight competition
Slow flight at the edge of the envelope became no flight!
He lost
How slow can you put in lots of aileron and no rudder demonstration.
Clearly sudden increase in AOA just prior to asymmetric stall.
Had he just been a few feet of the runway, he could have done a stall landing.
He's ok. Terra Firma broke his fall.
The well-defined laws of aerodynamics always win.
this is why we use rudder and not aileron to stop the wing dropping when in a stall.
These STOL planes can fly so slow that even a crash is no big deal! This looks like the damage is entirely repairable and the pilot is probably not at all injured.
Nice flying buddy.
Someone else playing the test pilot …they found the aircraft’s limit
Damage report would be interesting.
Warped wings and bent tubes in the fuselage?
Or just in elastic limit and snapped right back?
Exceeding the Critical Angle of Attack does it every time!
Too much pressure, in the tires.