Fallout: New Vegas' DLC Is An Absolute Nightmare - This Is Why
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I wrote this before the Fallout TV show came out on Prime, but it's funny how there's a lot of overlapping ideas. Fallout RUUUULES!
I am a bit critical in this video but I really quite like the Fallout: New DLC, quite a bit more than the Fallout 3 ones Which I also review here!:
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9:33 if you cut off Elijahs head and put all the gold bars in his corpse you can carry the head to the end.
I didn't think of that at all, that's a great idea
Game devs: "Its about letting go. its a bit on the nose but its a powerful message that we told in a rather inge..."
Player: "Decapitate corpses of your enemies for persona gain, gotcha"
Max out sneak, take the bars without E noticing, ez clap
Bro WTF just sneak beging him
Another way to get every single gold bar is if you have a stealth boy/really high sneak skill you can just slowly sneak your way past Elijah and out of the room before Elijah puts up the force field over the exit. The timing is a little tricky but you can just keep retrying if you make a save before you attempt it.
I've done this method in 4 separate playthroughs of Dead money over the years. I actually did it on my first try in my last playthrough. First time I ever tried it it took me like 12 attempts. lol
You forgot to mention that Muggy not only is programmed to be obsessed with mugs, he's also programmed to know he was programmed like that. So he's basically in constant torture.
Talk about existential crisis
Like the butter bot in Rick and morty
You forgot to mention Randall also helped a bunch of other people survive and in his final days, helped a group of children which he gave books, education and toys to, they then started worshipping him as a deity after his death known as the father, seeing the innocence of the children is what gave him comfort in the end.
This is also why it is so important to Daniel that the Sorrow don't have to become hardened warriors.
@@radiofloyd2359 But Daniel is using, albeit not intentionally, that belief in The Father to simply convert the Sorrows. Moreover, Randall Clark advocated ultimately for peace to the original Sorrows but still urged them to retaliate against aggressors. Peace and Pacifism are different things, Clark and Daniel illustrate that well.
@@username1660 yeah, they're all very much flawed and ultimately the sorrow's will be worse off for working with them.
But that's what makes it interesting as a conflict
@@radiofloyd2359 I don't think Daniel was directly aware of Randall though.
@@username1660 Very true but damn man, I really do feel the endings don't give much leeway. It's either the Sorrows stick around and basically become bloodthirsty or they leave and potentially die off. Granted its been a very long time since I've played HH so I could be wrong
I love Lonesome Road, he's a man blinded by rage and needs someone to pin it on. So he drones on and on, but it always felt like he was trying to convince us both at any given moment. I really appreciated that facet of him.
Yeah, I think people that read it as a simple "game blames you for something you didn't do" story are just not paying attention.
Ulysses is just overtaken by grief, and he wants someone else to share that grief with him, even if it is through his own revenge.
@@radiofloyd2359 Fallout NV fans 🤝 "didn't read lol"
@@radiofloyd2359Ulysses and Crimson 1 being the same person.
Ulysses was supposed to be a part of a main game as a companion, but he was cut together with a region controlled by Legion. It's a shame that it didn't happen, since Legion was definitely not flashed out enough in the game, despite being one of the three main factions, and out of your companions only Raul shows any sympathy towards them.
@@radiofloyd2359 it's easy to say that in hindsight, but this is more about the actual experience of it and the notion that ulysses is wrong to blame the courier isn't addressed very well in game as for the entire DLC every time you object to something he says he'll just respond "nuh uh, your fault" and keep going, you're never given a sign that he might not be totally convinced of his own plan
now don't come and hunt me down for saying this, but new vegas has flaws and pretending that the rough parts are just secretly really good if you think about it hard enough won't change that, there's some good elements to ulysses story, but his dialogue and disposition in lonesome road really don't show any doubt at all
Bear and Bull
Bear... ball(s)?
The WHY of it
Cock and Ball@@ihazcheese
Bull and Bear
BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BE-
“Let go,” they said as I snuck by Elijah and got right next to the elevator with all the gold bars.
Let go of your monetary issues.
*as I turned on God mode and ran off with the fucking gold* I DEFY YOU GODD HOWARD!!!!!!!
Mr. House and the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas is going to need some gold behind its money if it wants to avoid the mistakes of the NCR. Fiat currency is YUCKY.
you dont even need 100 sneak or a stealth boy you can just raw dog it lmoa
Having not played Sierra Madre, I'm wondering if you can grab all the bars, get addicted to everything as you try not to die walking to the exit?
I think the whole point of Ulysses as a character is that he is completely and utterly wrong, hypocritical to a fault, he is so desperate for purpose and being able to blame someone else for everything that has gone wrong in his life, so he blames you, because if he can't blame you for everything that went wrong in the divide and in his life, then the only person left to blame is himself, and that's the point
But you are to blame
@@ktgame2640if you weren’t the one to take the packages someone else would’ve eventually. Hell, might’ve even been Ulysses himself. The courier didn’t blow up the divide, old world people set it up and new world people took advantage. The courier is the equivalent to an envelope, and you don’t blame the envelope for the bad news a letter might carry
@@beagay963touche salesman
He also doesn't know how to pronounce it or saying it wrong on purpose
yeah he is completely wrong, just wish he showed any sign of this at literally any point throughout the DLC instead of just conceding right at the end
you spend so much time talking to him where he'll just reject everything you say, but at the very end you manage to say one thing and he just completely concedes
Ulysses isn't saying random nonsense, he thinks and talks in allegories. His whole thing is that he grew up in a culture that practiced oral history and now he's the only one left to remember any of those stories.
Honestly that's what makes him so cool to me. I love listening to him talk, his voice actor just tickles my brain and the lines are great.
He talks like a mgs character and I love it
9:03
Fun Fact: Despite the entire message of the DLC being *letting go,* you can funnily enough- circumvent this main moral message entirely and escape with all the gold you could ever want.
To do this, simply trick Elijah into going into the vault (you need to make sure to not be spotted by him on his way down) and then lock him inside the vault. Since Elijah didn't die, you can now smugly walk to the exit with your ankles broken by 500lbs worth of solid gold and not even worry about your neck being blown off.
Alternatively, if you don't have a high enough stealth stat or just don't wanna bother, you could always stuff Elijah's corpse with all the gold inside the vault, decapitate his head, and then run with it all the way to the exit
Therefore, the end message of this DLC isn't to _let go of your greed,_ it's to _let go of your close-mindedness_ and outsmart the game with it's own (un)intended mechanics😂
Nah, the message is to Let go of poverty lol
Not to mention if you earn Max chips at the casino you get infinite stimpaks, doctor's bags, weapon repair kits, super stimpaks and some other stuff. Let go of any sort of difficulty whatsoever
this or you just use tgm because you want to be bothered by all the insta/fast death mechanics anyway
Apparently everyone knows this but the guy whose video we are watching. You know, the same guy whose good friend is many a true nerd, whose explained how to get the gold at least a dozen times. Some friend they are if they ignore the stuff their friends been saying for years
Based@@jakubnovak3009
“Tis I The Burned Man, and this here’s my Honest Heart“
~Joshua Graham
why this sounds like Faithless "God is a DJ"?
Why is bro chivalry
Josh GrahamCracker
"Please don't burn it with a flamer"
@@ACE_16_O_8 You forgot the cringe ass skull emoji after saying "bro" lol
Ulysses needing someone to blame for the loss of The Divide is pretty much the point
Needing meaning for such an utterly huge event beyond an accident is how he copes with it, so yeah, he is crazy but after you make amends you can see he is calmer and less obnoxious with the language he uses
Or maybe the courier did destroy the divide but forgot because benny shot him the head (its in the lore)
I think you missed the entire point of Lonesome Road. It doesn't matter what your intentions where with the divide. Planned or accidental, your character destroyed the Divide. It was a society that brought itself back up from nuclear war and was destined to be a big power player in the region. Your actions led to its destruction.
The important thing of note is that Ulysses saw how one man can change the course of history. If the divide was destined to be this big player in the world , and it got destroyed by accident (without a 2nd thought) that means other societies can suffer the same fate.
Ulysses doesn't trust the NCR or the Legion. He sees them as dangerous and he can alter the course of history too. He has access to nukes and can wipe out the NCR or Legion. However at a deeper level, Ulysses doesn't want to do it or he wants to have a reason to not do it. He challenges you so you can either change his mind or give him confirmation it's okay.
The whole DLC more or less puts you in a situation where your character can be a Fallout God and alter history. So when you return to the wasteland it's up to you what you decide.
My character didn't destroy the divide because that's not the backstory I came up with for my character. Chris Avellone told me my character did that because he either doesn't know or doesn't care that in an RPG the player makes their own backstory. This is part of the role playing, and why Lonesome Road is a bad expansion.
All fallout games have a loose backstory to their characters @@foxtrotalphaone
@@foxtrotalphaoneMy character wasn't a courier. But big bad Avellone told me otherwise
@@foxtrotalphaone Are you upset about the protag in Fallout 1 growing up as a vault dweller their entire life?
Are you upset about the protag of Fallout 2 growing up as a tribal their entire life?
Are you upset about the protag of Fallout 3 growing up as a vault dweller their entire life?
Are you upset about the protag of Fallout 4 growing up in a pre-war society?
"Dead Money is about letting go"
Yeah, letting go of poverty, watch this
*sneaks behind Elijah before he locks the door*
You merely relinquish poverty? Fool.
Behold, as I relieve myself of the very laws of physics! 「The World!」
(There's a time stop glitch in the game and this is one of two practical uses)
yea i always stole the gold too but with a diffrent method than most i use the undergroudn hideout teleporter device.
New mindset
I know which mod youre talking about but wouldnt that brick the dlc? I use portable cheat terminal just for storage cause im tired of having to go back home to dump all the loot i have @NightmareRex6
@@Ug-lordetheunmovableLong Haul, take it.
6 End, Level 12, Barter 70
I say this with no irony or humor. Stealth Suit MK2 is genuinely the best companion in the entire Fallout series and I would die for her.
You are addicted to med-x
She always makes me so guilty when I take her off to use my normal armor.
...but slipping back in...😉
She's even better when you learn to mod an esp file to turn her from medium to light armor!
@@M.C.11Mc7 It is genuinely ridiculous that they made "stealth armor" medium instead of light.
Well that's not really what Ulysses says.
He was a scout for the Legion, finding and infiltrating communities to help Caesar conquer them. And then he found the Hopesville community - one that actually held hope for the future of the world, a community built on something better than either the Legion or the NCR. And the community was kept alive by the Courier, who braved harsh landscape and dangerous weather to bring them supplies.
This community made him question his loyalty to Caesar. He couldn't just allow Caesar to come and destroy his hope for a better world.
But the destruction of the community came - and not from the Legion or the NCR. It came from the Courier. Once he brought a package from Navarro military base. Some scavenged stuff. There was no malicious plan at play, no conspiracy, no conquering army. Just a package by a courier. And the package by accident happened to contain a detonator, which, at some point after the courier had left, activated the nuclear warheads down below.
And the community turned into the Divide, a ravaged and dead place.
This broke Ulysses. The whole DLC is him trying to make sense of this senseless string of events, and of you. How one man's actions can preserve hope, and destroy it, without them ever knowing.
This is actually very good existentialist writing. I'm sorry you were too, mmm, confused, to understand it.
I get where Ulysses is coming from, I just don't care. How many communities, full of hope, did he have a hand in destroying? Mr. Bear & Bull will bitch and moan that the Courier brought ruin to the Divide by random chance and that that made him the big mad. Meanwhile Captain Symbology played an active role in annihilating who knows how many societies.
And just because he found a place he personally liked I'm supposed to feel sorry for him or perform introspection on my part? Nah, I'm not devoting that sort of time to someone that's ultimately just a selfish thug that can't handle the fact that shit happens.
@@username1660 well, describing what Ulysses was thinking doesn't mean I agree with him :)) the question is, Ulysses found something he personally believed in, and then lost it to a stupid random catastrophe. In the end, my courier, who supported the NCR, understanding their flaws, allying them with BoS, followers of the Apocalypse and many other factions, had the choice of launching the rockets at Caesar's Legion, and he chose not to. Nukes had done enough damage already, it was a line he was unwilling to cross. The first time, it was not choice but an accident that made him an agent of nuclear destruction. When the choice presented, he said no. I said no.
It was a meaningful choice, and it did tie in with the rest of the story.
@@thebayandurpoghosyanshow Right, but giving Ulysses that story doesn't inherently make him captivating or that people who don't feel like he's interesting don't 'get' him.
I fully understand the context of Lonesome Road. I still think Ulysses is simply one step above a Freeside Thug with access to ARCHIMEDES II. At no point am I compelled to ponder actions, or their respective results, I had no way of knowing of, especially when some madman that's only concerned with his own view of the world is telling me to.
@@username1660 whether you find him captivating or interesting is up to you.
But the author of the video kinda got him wrong.
As for captivating, or interesting, of course Ulysses can never hold a candle to Joshua Graham; but still, he's more than just a rambling lunatic.
That'd be great, if that came across without having to pick the exact right dialogue options EVERY TIME YOU TALK to Ulysses. I mean, the man's dialogue is so f*cking hard to follow as it is - he talks like Tonto with a head wound, for God's sake!
glossing past joshua grahams's entire arc about forgetting his faith is criminal
A light shining in darkness.
"you can only take 2 gold bars"
Then there's me sneaking out with all of them while leaving Elijah stuck in the vault forever.........
I don't get them all but I can easily grab 5 or 6 of them.
Still had 12 of them when I took Hoover Dam forn House because no vendor could buy them off me without me buying something aswell. And I didn't need anything...
I left with about 10 bars, sold 2 or 3 and the rest are stashed in the Presidential Suite. It is just too much money that you could never spend reasonably at that point in the game.
So glad someone said it. I robbed the vault clean everytime.
@@Donnerwamp Ammo. The best thing to do when trying to offload expensive items is to buy as much ammo as you can when they don't have enough caps. It's typically weightless, so you can carry an essentially unlimited amount of it, and if you do end up having to buy something expensive and are short on caps, it trades as good as cash with only minimal loss. You can also buy random NCR Currency or Old World Currency or similar stuff if the vendor happens to have it, as those tend to retain value easily for minimal/no weight. Both options are pretty thematic to the setting, too, so it feels natural to do.
Remember when he said there were going to be five videos in this series?
He really blessed us with these dlc extras lol
I dont remember what I had for breakfast last, how can we remember something he said over two years ago. You want to call 2 years a blessing?
What are the 5 videos?fallout new Vegas or all of fallout? When stuff happens that long ago, most the time its safe to presume we can't hold them to what they say...unless his day job is more lucrative, he should probably not tell us what to expect, years to do games thats been out for years? I gotta ask what you think a blessing is and if you been so burned by life that you still call it a blessing years after everyone else acknowledged it being the furthest thing from a blessing. When a good content creater takes years to do such a small video, its more a curse that him doing anything nice for us
Also he gets paid cash money to do these videos. The way you talk is like he did this for free, thats a blessing but he has 1,000,000+ subscribers, thats a salary of $936,000. So really its more a middle finger that hes taking so long, but leave it to kids to get peed on and believe it when they are told its rain. He makes $18,000 a week from ads alone. But you say this video which can take less than 10 days to make is a blessing even though its been 2 plus years? What jar headed consumers you all are
@@jamesmeppler6375bro it ain’t that deep quit ur yapping
@@jamesmeppler6375he has been making videos for 16+ years now. If you wanna cry about underserved fame and money then go cry to a flash in the pan channels. Go cry to slop channels like those drama channels that pump one or even 2 out everyday and get millions of views. Charlie0 comes to mind.
Also you are talking like this are low quality videos. He uses props and sets(from what it looks like).
Also how did you know this video took 10 days to make? The editing alone probably took more than that.
According to him he would only make 1 videos for each of the fallout games as the dlc(for FO4) at the time weren't interesting and just covered them in the main video.
People can be excited for anything even if the creator is filthy rich. You probably support and insanely rich man who doesn't care if you die.
@@jamesmeppler6375 Get over yourself you miserable waste of oxygen 😂
ulysees is suffering from survivors guilt and is lashing out at the only other one involved.
9:33 the best ending is absolutely using a stealth-boy to slowly and sneakily drag the gold out, letting elijah live and fall into the trap that was always meant for him. Then you get a radio broadcast of him coming to terms with everything too. 🤣 Its brilliant that its even an option.
A man so stuck in his obsession that he puts himself into the greatest prison ever devised (by accident). Imprisoned deep underground in a vault guarded by metal constructs, buried below a tower patrolled by ghosts, and located within a city occupied by immortal zombies and covered in a cloud of toxic gas, all constructed out of old world tech.
@@LordDaret The very horrors that he wanted to unleash on the wasteland, now guarding his prison. Very fitting.
His comments about how he isn't very bright are fitting considering he played Fallout 2 by running around every hub area accepting every single quest he could find before complaining that the game has too many quests to keep track of
hahah yes I've decided to start accepting blame
Kinda true honestly, the NCR only has like 2 nicknames and he also got confused by that, maybe that lobotomy was not so good for him after all
..... Fucking kek. Gotta love a fellow autist
@@jorgealbertohernandezgutie7696
I don't think he was saying it was confusing that Ulysses kept referring to the NCR by different names, just that the flowery language didn't contribute to any points trying to be made.
@@UpIsNotJump At least you're being honest, depending on what type of game u like playing normally, it may not be your cup of tea, you probably aren't use to playing old RPGs with alot for their dialogue boxes yet no voice acting huh?
I appreciate that when UpIsNotJump regenerates he still has his wedding ring, implying it has been grafted onto his finger in such a grotesque fashion that his body accepts it as part of him
That's the power of love
But does the said ring, accept him in turn? lol
@@plantainsame2049 nah it just turns soul bound during the wedding event
So...
Marriage
I think there's a holotape of his creator calling him Eddie, but I love that you call him E-De because that's what I've always called him.
If you call him "Eddy," he follows you
I actually really like dead money. It is so against the player but I think that’s why it works for me. It really feels like I’m navigating a toxic city trying to kill me. And it makes the twist at the end when Elijah reveals his plan even freakier. You’ve seen firsthand the horrors of the sire madre. Now you have to stop him.
And it makes old world blues even better when you realize that the holograms and bomb collars were their fault. Which then adds tension to OWB when you realize that they made those things, nightstalkers, cyberdogs, cazadors and other horrors which pushes you to stop the scientists from escaping their loop and wrecking havoc on the Mojave.
Even the fact that using a skill check with the wrong character will lead to a worse ending plays into this. It's a subversion of everything the Bethesda open world RPG is.
@@l0rfI did three playthroughs before I realized that was the case. It was such cool moment. Though… frankly… after all dean has done he probably deserves getting killed in the hotel…
Sometimes I feel like the only person who actually cares for the message of the dlc. I pretty much never take the gold, especially since you don’t really need the money at that point in the game.
@@l0rf yea if you use any speech checks on dean he will think you are a dick and try to murder you
@@revolosh8093I agree. But man is it just so easy to use Elijahs body like a pack mule to smuggle the gold through to the end.
I may be alone in this, but I really liked the dialogues with Christina when she can't talk. Sure they would have been better with more detailed animations, but they felt refreshingly unique to me, like no other conversations in any of the 3D fallout games
True, although sometimes I really didn't understand how the courier got what he did from her pantomime.
agreed, back to crpg roots. also our poor fella got filtered by DM
It also really feels more important once you learn that Bethesda limited Obsidian to a certain number of voice lines across alllll the DLCs, so they created a number of voiceless characters to better flesh out the world, such as Christine and 8.
How did he just skip over the entirety of Joshua Graham’s character, which was pretty much the entire plot of that DLC? I know the survivalist side story is good, but most people believe that Joshua is the best character in the series for a reason.
Cause his voice actor was the same as some random npc he didn’t like from Skyrim, so he wrote him off.
Joshua is a legion dog
Honestly, compared to characters like Dog from Dead Money, I feel like he's overrated. He isn't a bad character at all, I just never saw what was everyone's deal with him.
Walking through the wasteland with 37 gold bars almost makes you wish for a fast travel while overencumbered perk
Summary of every DLC
Dead Money: You want money? Too bad, now die.
Honest Hearts: Find Jesus, degenerate.
Old World Blues: LOBOTOMITE
Lonesome Road: Bull....Bear.....Bull........Bear............Bull...............B E A R
"Bear bull.. Bear bull... Bear Bear! Bull Bull Bear?"
Very insightful dialogue.
"I can't Bear your Bull shit anymore, Ulysses."
Dead money: it doesn't matter if its near impossible i will take everything with me
Recommended play order: HH, OWB, LR, and DM last.
If you kill Rawr, but wait to make the Fist of Rawr, it will stay in your inventory as a quest item when you go to Dead Money, and you can craft it there.
Summary of your comment: not funny! please make a better one or delete your comment. thank you.
In OWB, so much of the dialouge cracks me up, especially when asking Klein if Mobius Scorpions "intelligence drain" is related to chems
Klein:
IF IT IS CHEMS, THEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. SINCE WE ARE AFRAID, IT MUST NOT BE CHEMS AND YOU NEED NOT FEAR, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN TEST IT. LOGICAL
Philosophy class be like
mmmmmm, mentats!
Fucking mobius is one if my favorite characters...except for muggy because muggy is the BEST...just because mobius is so damn strung out and fried that he doesn't even remember doing ANYTHING...and he says "i do so love mustard...or was it custard"
@@spec_opsgaming To this day I say "raisins" instead of "reasons" because of Mobius
Lonesome Road is my favorite DLC because it’s the most post-apocalyptic setting. For the most part, the Mojave isn’t too post-apocalyptic because of Vegas and the presence of the NCR Bear Two-headed Bear and the Legion Bull Yellow Bull That Doesn’t Give You Wings. Dead Money is really just the Villa and the Casino, Honest Hearts is basically just the Grand Canyon, and Big MT is just a technology center. Lonesome Road basically lives up to its name and is an insanely foreboding and cool setting to look at and walk through.
Elijah wasn't after the gold though, he was after the cloud and the holograms. With them, he would be unstoppable.
You forgot that Muggy was created out of spite to mock RobCo's Securitrons by one of the Think Tank members by making one but tiny.
"Do you know how many coffee cups giant robot brains in jars use on a daily basis?
Not fucking many!"
Gets me every time.
Imagine not liking Dead Money
I hated it on my first play through, and didn’t try it again for months. Then, when I did, I saw the error in my ways
@@StationroadRatrods I'm glad
@@lukescrew1981 I’ve played it through 5 or 6 times since and it’s my favourite DLC
@@StationroadRatrods Based
I can understand why people didn't like Dead Money but for me it was my favorite DLC by far. The rest are fantastic too but Dead Money really was something special for me to play through for some reason.
I connected to the Courier taking the detonator to the Divide because Ulysses talks about how you do things just because you want to, because you want to see what happens.
Which is exactly what all players do anyway, so you even if you had control the player would have done it anyway.
14:20 Definitely true within that DLC, however I will point out that the White Legs do get more fleshed out in Lonesome Road with one of Ulysse's tapes explaining how he was the one who trained them to be killers.
ah yes, the ol' "potentially find a holotape that contains vital backstory to fill in plot holes" story telling trick. Works every time
Except that actually contradicts Honest Hearts; we're told that every tribe in the area has a signature weapon that is the backbone of the tribe, and for the White Legs, it's their Storm Drums. But they only got those in the last few years, as best we can tell. Maybe 10 years on the outside.
@@billjacobs521Is that really that much of a contradiction? I'd say it's fully feasible that honest hearts was referring to barely a few decades ago. That's a long time in fallout.
@@billjacobs521 well you see tribes in this context refers to fallout tribes, which are not long standing generatons of natives but basically jsut groups of surviving humans that, rather than cling to the renants of old world society went off to form their own tribes and such. SO they're a recent thing, really.
For example, Benny and his gang used to be a tribe until mr house 'uplifted' them.
@@ithebinman Cry about it
_"I don't enjoy killing, but when done righteously, it's just a chore like any other."_- Joshua Graham
This feels like the most surface level exposé of the dlcs. I feel like you never read a single terminal but rather watched a bunch of videos on fallouts dlc after speeding through each one of these dlcs
How do people hate Dead money just take it slow and dont rush into a building like a moron then you wont die to radios
Because it requires a change in playstyle and most people think they can treat the sierra madre like any other location
@@spacemarine3482 its the same as the normal game + extra steps its just walking and shooting easy to find radios
@@smallgyro4932 Na most people from what I've seen and read try and brute force their way through the madre and get mad when they keep on dieing to the cloud or radios (especially the shielded ones)
@@spacemarine3482 how do you die to the cloud? unless ur blind and cant see ur health just dropping
Honestly. I never knew people had such an issue with the DLC before, just fucking read/take it a tiny bit slower.
Dead Money: Let go.
Courier 6 with Hoarder, 10 Str, and Strong Back: *Nope.*
Don't forget Long Haul!
Let go (of poverty)
@@Shakochu I don't need Long Haul, I got the Teleport Beacon for the Sink.
You still cannot take it all. Not unless you cheat.
Which is ok!
Its fun to cheat. :D.
@@meganwynn372r u dumb ? Also girl?
The fact he skipped the slides explaining how he became overlord because ed-e was in the slides sent me
I remember when I played Lonesome Road for the first time Ulysses criticize me for supporting Mr. House. The problem was I had already killed House and there was no dialogue to correct Ulysses so I ended up installing a mod that made him actually understand where I stood with each faction.
About the bit on Lonesome Road, I just had some tips to put forward:
I don't know what happened to your ED-E, but in my two thousand hours of playing the game I've never seen that happen. It sucks that you had to deal with that, but ED--E is crucial for the plot of this DLC.
Basically, Ulysses is waiting in the Divide to do the same thing you did to him to you. You destroyed his home (and also yours if Ulysses is to be believed) by delivering an object you don't understand the nature of. He's waiting in the Divide and letting you deliver ED-E to him to make a point, the point being that you're delivering a weapon you don't understand that will destroy lives with no mercy, but now you're the one that pays the price instead of him via the NCR or Legion's nuking. I think it's implied that the detonator the Courier delivered activated after he left, and he lost his memory of the whole place when taking two bullets to the dome. Either way, Ulysses is putting blame on you while knowing you didn't intentionally do what you did because he's driving a point that accidents have consequences.
If you disagree I'd like to hash it out.
“There’s nothing here but worthless gold!”
I understood that reference 👂🖖
no one mourns for morn right?
no wonder your hair fell out.
Morn was a prince...?
I've beaten the Dead Money DLC 3 times and escaped with the gold and never realized you can shoot the frickin radios. I always rushed towards them and turned them off. Thanks! I learned something. And I'm 5 minutes in.
Dude how do you play DM 3 TIMES and not hear/read the line where Elijah literally TELLS YOU TO SHOOT THEM
@@froggystyle9068 i play games drunk
@@froggystyle9068 To be fair, as someone who played on Very Hard and built my character as a guy who did everything except fight, ammo was literally a luxury for me in this DLC because the enemies would be literal sponge bullets.
I just completed a playthrough, and i interpreted Ulysses story as the courier had helped to establish the city that became the divide, a region that showed promise beyond the ncr, leigon, or vegas and he blames the courier for being 'careless' with his delivery job choice the one time it mattered most and effected the most people. That even if the courier didn't know and had no way of knowing, they are still technically the last hand to touch the package, and in his mind need to answer for it. The idea being one person can make a nation, and in a moment, without their knowledge, they can break it to. Ulysses said those words at some point and then later it is echoed by general oliver at the dam if you choose the yes man ending, at some point he asks you "do you really think you can make a nation? Set up trade routes?etc etc" which goes full circle to the idea that before the game the courier had done so before, and if they do it again but with vegas this time, they must be sure not to repeat what happened at the divide. It also establishes that the courier is already someone who has done noteworthy things even before the player takes control, justifying the courier being someone who does noteworthy things
Ngl i really expected Dead money to get the last laugh even if you did walk out with all 31 gold bars, you find out gold is completely worthless in the post apocalypse.
What is a toaster if not a miniature DEATH RAY!!
collectively shoving him into the bathtub was one of those moments that prevents a certain timeline.
@@CrocogatorHe can't be that ba- oh wait yeah, yeah he is.
Toasters toast toast. Just change the definition of toast.
And this dear children is why the Mechanicum loves Toasters so much.
and he was played by the absolute legend Jace Hall
Muggy must be the most tragic character in the entire Fallout franchise.
I'd say the toaster, but he's having too much fun (and he hooked me up...)
I feel like ceasar could not kill his friend so he made an elaborate story about joshua and told joshua that this must be the way and they parted ways and joshua is just playing the part to help ceasar
I swear I must be the only one who absolutely loves the sudden shift to survival horror in Dead Money. I guess it helps that I always take the Light Step perk. Also gold bars are hella valuable because NCR money is backed by the gold standard and they lost access to all of their supply thanks to their war with the Brotherhood.
I think the fact that Ulysses blames you for something that was barely your fault is kind of the point. You're a courier; you delivered hundreds of packages. The one to the Divide was just yet another mundane delivery job, and quickly forgotten amid all the others. The central theme of Lonesome Road is whether or not it's fair to hold someone responsible for setting in motion a chain of events that lead to a bad outcome they had no way of anticipating, or even were aware they indirectly caused. If Ulysses were mad at you for some major choice you made in the game itself, that premise would fall apart -- it _has_ to be something that was so trivial at the time you don't even remember doing it.
That said, the execution of Lonesome Road's storyline could've been done a lot better, for sure. The base idea of it is cool, but it definitely could've used a bit more polish.
That isn't really an explanation; how is that the point, and how is it a theme? It's just Ulysses being a moron and the Courier not being allowed to call him out on it. This is like saying "Him being irrational is the rational point being made!" but that comparison would only work if it was established as irrational in the narrative and was discussed.
@@billjacobs521but you can talk him out of his revenge by showing him that there is a point to the struggle to rebuild. Even if everything can be completely destroyed at the flick of a switch, because of something as trivial as a package delivery, the symbols remain and they represent hope and the will to rebuild a world, one better than the last.
I agree that the story probably should have given the player the chance to be a total asshole to Ulysses.
But if you view the story as expecting you to empathize with a man who lost everything and feels like there's so little point to rebuilding, that all he can see is destruction (destruction that he's nonetheless incapable of pinning on himself, hence his need to blame the courier for just delivering a package), the story works.
Ulysses be like «I was consciously a war criminal, but you're the worst because you accidentally detonated some bombs»
I think the part that sucks about Ulysses is that the majority of players wont interact with him and his dialogue with an open mind because the first time most players will get to interact with him will be when he gets insanely petty over a thing the player character did in the past that they don’t remember, breaking the illusion of the fully role-playable courier.
Ulysses IS wrong and he absolutely is stupid for holding this grudge against the Courier, but thats kind of the point of his character. He is a deeply traumatized man. He comes from a tribe of people who place symbolic importance on lots of things in their society, such as their hairstyles. Then in comes the Legion who uses his tribe for their own goals and then turns around and enslaves his people and crucifies anyone that goes against the Legion. Caesar then uses Ulysses to do the same thing that was done to his tribe to the White Legs and he has to watch this tribe take his hairstyle, the last connection he has to his people and its being used to glorify the eradication of a different tribe. THEN once he leaves the Legion and he finds a thriving community of people who take care of each other, he has to watch the courier stroll in and drop off a package that just so happens to have the ability to activate the warheads under the divide.
After all this, Ulysses finally cracks like anyone would. He blames the Courier because hes been through so much trauma and destruction throughout the wasteland that he can’t possibly believe things just happen for no reason, that everything must have a reason/cause. He takes the importance of symbolism from his tribe’s culture and has it twisted by his trauma into being the ridiculous person that he is.
There is no such thing as a "war criminal" in the wasteland.
Not mentioning stealth suit from Bit MT is a crime :( Shes so god damn cute
Maybe bro's afraid Veronica will get jealous
Same with the light switches in the sink
You are now addicted to Med-X
Imagine her in an Assaultron body.
Imagine...
@@ulus- Jokes on you, I've been addicted to Med-X from the start.
The genius of lonesome road is the divide happened because you were given a package (that had the detonator) in it, and you delivered it without thinking, you just did as you told and kept going forward, and you can leave the lonesome road at any point, nothing is keeping you in it besides your motivation as a player/courier to see it to the end, so by reaching the end of the dlc you kinda proved it right, and you delivering the platinum chip also shows you are just following orders cause you could have decided to destroy it along the way when you figure out what it for...
counterpoint: delivering things is the courier's job, why on earth would there be much of a reason to think about any specific delivery? also side note, i blasted the legate into little tiny pieces with the platinum chip still sitting around in my pockets
I’m gonna say a controversial thing: Dead Money was my favorite DLC… for all of the reasons people who hate it, hate it. All of its elements come together to create an oppressive, confusing, and dark experience. At times it’s down right depressing. It was frustrating as hell, and I loved every minute of it!
I’m apparently the only person in the world that actually likes Ulysses. How connected he is to everything is awesome, and learning about our character’s past yet still having so much more to make up our own is really cool imo. And honestly, I like how cryptic and convoluted he talks, it’s very much a part of his character, and piecing together what he’s actually saying is almost a game of its own, which I personally enjoyed playing. Idk, I guess I’m the one single person Ulysses was made to make happy lol
Ulysses is actually kinda cool. I think its simply that people dont really like how he talks, but him being connected to a ton of things and you getting few snipets of him as you wander around the mojave and its DLCs makes him very memorable.
Agreed, Lonesome Road and Dead Money are definitely my two favorite DLCs thanks to the characters and set pieces, which is kind of funny since they both seem to be a lot of people's LEAST favorite DLCs.
@@user-xh8df9oz4y bro same, I love Dead Money. Like don’t get me wrong, the sheer power trip that is Old World Blues is a blast, but Dead Money makes you actually take a step back and plan out your moves, regardless of your level. I’m currently level 48 and just started Dead Money and it’s still a challenge to kill more than one Ghost.
@@Aerowarrier thank god i found another Ulysses fan 😭 i honestly think lonesome road is my favourite dlc ever and its the only time in fallout where i dont skip dialogue due to how intriguing Ulysses is and how connected courier 6 is to him
Lonesome Road is fantastic DLC. Ulysses doesn't just speak cryptically to sound cool either. He wants to be vague. He wants to be confusing. He wants you to press on through The Divide with no good reason. He is withholding information from you to prove to himself that you will just keep walking forward without a cause. That's why you are dangerous in his mind. The Player is this unstoppable force. It's a meta story on how an RPG player must act to complete quests. IT works so well for me and I'm glad it worked for you too,
Great video :)
The Dead Money's main problem is that it was the first one released when it narratively should the 3rd one. The main game and the Old World Blues all build up the story for it and when you finally meet Christine and Father Elijah it makes more sense.
I always play them in the following order: Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, Dead Money and then finally Lonesome Road.
thats definitely not the main problem with dead money
the main problem is it SUCKS and isnt fun. Ive never seen anyone complain that it should have been the 3rd DLC. to be fair I think most people play it dead last because its so terrible.
Yeah, that's the order I play the DLCs in (since I played them all YEARS after they were released) since narratively it made the most sense. I always wished there was a way to tell Veronica about Christine, but at least there's a mod for it.
@@selectionn I do that order but i never do lonesome road again. the one time i completed it is actually the worst time i have spent in FNV. I also love dead money.
Funny thing, if you order the DLCs by their recommended player level, you end up with that exact order.
Honest Hearts: 15
Old World Blues: 20
Dead Money: 25
Lonesome Road: 25 (may as well be 30 though)
@@selenagamya1612 actually honest hearts has no reccomended level, OWB is 15, DM is 20 though 25 is plenty enough for LR, even if my order is skipping honest hearts since it's a racist mess. and often am too high level for each because of quests and mods.
I love Ulysses dialogue, but found out recently I'm in the minority on that
Did a good job matching the cadence of the New Vegas ending slides for the intro.
Thanks for the vid, always excited to see UpIsNotJump in my feed
Amazing vid but I'm starting to worry about how often you set yourself on fire
Edit: Also there is more depth to the White Legs but it's obtuse to figure out because it relates to Ulysses and the over arching connections between all four dlcs that a lot of people miss.
Additional fun fact: The White Legs all have their hair braided in honour of Ulysses who led and trained them for a time.
thought he’d mention this. the white legs are pretty one note in Honest Hearts but when you get to Lonesome Road they actually put in a lot of work to humanize and put depth and history behind the white legs choices
Ulysses also mentions something about how the white legs increase the number of braids increases to show how many each whiteleg has r*ped...
He said they twisted the meaning of the braids aswell as other things I can't quite remember
@@crunchysalmons It's kinda neat, but it wouldve been better if they added that depth IN honest hearts
Additional fact: the braids the white legs wove in their hair, actually insulted Ulysses bc they didn't understand the language behind the beads and weaves placement.
I gotta defend Lonesome Road. Firstly, I could listen to Ulysses read a phone book, he and Joshua Graham are my favourite voices, bassy men make my boxers moist and my palms clammy. Second, of course being blamed for an event you had no control over doesn't make sense, that's the response you're supposed to have - but you think living here, in the Divide of all places, alone, driven by an unchecked need for revenge, does a sane man make? Don't take it out on the DLC, take it out on Ulysses - which is exactly what you do; either reason with and try to put to rest the damaged mind of this unbalanced man, or pop a cap in his dome. And then nuke everyone for the hell of it lol
And in the Obsidian writers' defense your character is explicitly stated to have amnesia literally right from the very beginning of the game so the fact the player doesn't "remember" doing any of this is right on theme. I thought it was actually really interesting to see that the player's character had some seriously fucked up baggage in their past.
In addition, Ulysses' reasoning for hating the player isn't completely off either. If I bring a gun to a killer and he kills someone, I am indirectly to blame. And it's pretty fitting that Ulysses gives you a nuke detonator when you did exactly the same to some other figure.
It does seem a bit vague whether you actually were responsible or in Ulysses' mental state, he may of accidentally accused u instead of someone else who actually did it but for whatever hes going through, hes accepted that it may be the truth.
Also, Ulysses is an Ex-Tribal and not a native English speaker, which is why he talks like that. He isn't trying to 'sound smart,' he was just raised to speak figuratively
At this point I can only wish about some things in the game, like doc Mitchell stating that we have some sort of amnesia and also transcripts of dialogue for Ulysses, bc at the finale of lonesome road due to Ulysses speaking in circles you kinda forgot what he said during lore dumps.
me when i play as an endurance build with radboy perk: mm, sierra madre go boom
Great, another one that hates Ulysses
“And hey one of those! A foot”
Poetic
This dude found a title that worked and stuck with it. Gotta respect that.
I did the dead money dlc the other day and understood what the message was meant to be, and also how funny it was that I didn’t actually take it into account due to having a mod that gives me a hundred thousand carry weight, so I left with all the gold and laughed at the irony of understanding the message but not taking it into account
Even unmodded it’s not hard to escape with all the gold. You just need to be stealthy, or use Elijah’s body as an intermediary.
The funniest way to get all the gold is to sneak out once Elijah enters. The collar doesn't go off and he dies a slow death trapped in the vault.
1- Dead Money is absolute perfection. I LOVE it. Christine is one of my favourite characters in the entire game, and she can't SPEAK for most of the DLC. That's how well written she is. I disagree with the notion that the DLC is too complicated or convoluted for people to understand the mechanics and the story. As long as you pay attention to what the game told and showed you. In the DLC AND in the main game.
2- Lonesome Road IS about the player's actions. But it's about your actions in a different way. See, in ALL other DLCs, you can't leave until you finish that story. Elijah locks you in the Sierra Madre, you have no way of leaving the canyons in Honest Hearts, and the Think Tank prevents you from leaving the Big MT. So it makes sense that you NEED to finish those quests, because doing so is the ONLY way out.
But there's NOTHING stopping you from ignoring Ulysses and going back to the Mojave, no matter how deep into the divide you go. Yet you went ahead, with no regard for the consequences of your actions. Even AFTER you, the player, is responsible for unknowingly detonating a massive nuclear warhead, creating one of the most dangerous locations in the game.
Going deeper into the Divide is your choice.
The DLC is about how this kind of attitude, that IS necessary for you to finish the DLC, was present in the main character since the beginning. And, just like you caused the explosion in the beginning of the DLC, Courier 6 caused the destruction of the Divide previously. By following instructions without questioning why they're doing it.
They delivered a package. They were, after all, a courier. That was their job.
The courier accepted delivering the platinum chip, knowing NOTHING about what that was. And that was a MASSIVELY important piece of tech that CAN reshape the Mojave DRASTICALLY.
The motivation for Lonesome Road is, basically, just curiosity.
And Ulysses speak in such a convoluted way because of his ideology. He has become, basically, e philosophical warrior. Looking for meaning in the past, to explain chaos. He's trying to sound smarter than he is.
And, no, you don't convince him "with one phrase". You have been communicating with him THE ENTIRE GAME. Your actions influenced him. You can show him, during the DLC, that he is WRONG. It's not just that phrase, it's the whole thing. And there are multiple ways of making him change his mind, all dependent of who your courier 6 is and what they did.
Good read.
@@damsen978 I do have the habit of using too many words, sorry
@@aquelegabrielhe complimented you.
Christine is best girl
Yes, Lonesome Road is about blaming you for doing normal stuff that ultimately leads to bad things, even though you had no way of knowing about it. That's...really stupid. Imagine attacking your UPS man because he delivered a knife to your neighbor that said neighbor then used to stab your dog or something. And you can't really defend yourself; you can't ever call Ulysses out for being an illogical moron. You do pretty much prove him wrong with one phrase, because what else do you do that influences him besides not dying before getting close to him? He criticizes whatever choices you have made; they aren't changing his mind, he actually considers it evidence that he's right about you! It's also bonkers that Ulysses is telling you your own backstory; it's so awkward to have one character give exposition to another that they don't need to here, it's just for the audience. And then his whole ultimate plan is just dumb--he's basically doing what Chief Hanlon was trying to do and force the NCR to give up the Mojave and go home and secure it's own borders instead.
I really like Ulysses. I don't like that the DLC imposes a backstory on the blank slate self-insert character you play as, but what they actually do with it is interesting and kinda cool.
They don't really impose much backstory.
Base game, your backstory is that you are a courier.
With Lonesome Road, you are a courier who had a regular route & some experience.
The only thing impose really (and it's a stretch), is that you are experienced to some extent, that you spent a lot of at least your recent past on the move (because courier), and that you spent at least a portion of your time in the NCR.
@@DBArtsCreators The way Ulysses tells it the courier is both responsible for creating an entire community in the Divide and becoming a hero to that community. That's why he starts his vendetta against them after they inadvertently cause its destruction.
@@SupermewX300 Agreed; Ulysses literally tells the courier that he is responsibile for the community in the Divide, that it could not have been built without him, that his steps carved the path to it.
@@SupermewX300
Ulysses is also mentally unwell, dealing with survivor's guilt, and is using the Courier as a scapegoat for his trauma (he studied and watched the courier, but everything he is saying can be taken with a grain of salt. Or you can ignore him and tell him he's got the wrong guy the entire time).
He starts his vendetta because he needs someone to blame (as he feels guilty for not doing anything to intervene), not because the Courier was ever really a hero to the Divide's pre-nuke community. That's just his excuse.
@@billjacobs521
If that was true, the Courier wouldn't be an unknown throughout the Mojave & NCR.
Ulysses is/was clutching at straws to justify is need for a scapegoat (something he even admits in-game at the end, if you pass the right skill checks).
Honesty, when seeing the title, I was expecting that this video title called: "Fallout: New Vegas' DLC Is NOT An Absolute Nightmare - This Is Why" because the DLCs are crazy fun and good narrating in my opinion. I was wrong, and although his opinions do have made great points on why they're an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE!
They are great DLC overall
The real treasure in dead money is not the gold. It's all the prewar money you can exchange your chips for. 0 carry weight go brrrrrrrrrr
16:47 "This DLC takes place in the Big Empty." That's Big Mountain to you!
Big Mountain can be abbreviated as Big MT --> Big M T --> Big eMpTy. The name got lost over time.
@@zacharywolf5666 I always reasoned it is called Big Empty because the place where there used to be a mountain is now empty.
I actually like Lonesome Road mainly because it does something with our character as a backstory. Because us not remembering the divide was thanks to Benny 8k train of bad luck to us via our brain being splatter into the dirt. Also, Ulyssess has been referenced in every DLC and main story of New Vegas. He is the one that finds the Hover Damn and cause the war between the NCR and Ceaser's Legion, he is the one that made the hunting party of White Legs to try to kill Joshua Grahm, he went to the Big MT escaped intact without being made into a Lobotomite while saving Christine from being experimented on in the Big Mt, Survived the Multiple Nuclear explosion that caused the Divide and manage to play to our videogame mentality into bringing E-DE to him so he can activate the Nukes to strike at both the NCR and Ceaser's Legion. You get this from finding his holotapes that tell of his and by extension our story in the Divide. So, in short Ulyssess is the second Main Character in fallout New Vegas and is a good character if you choose to find the story and listen. So yeah, I Like LONESOME ROAD.
Johnson Nash also mentions Ulysses as the unnamed courier who was supposed to deliver the Platinum Chip to Mr. House. Ulysses recognized the Courier’s name on the list and told Nash to give the job to them instead.
Fantastic video! So great to see your constant improvement too from looking back at your old videos the fx and the lighting and the jokes have massively improved
Lonesome Road's framing, in introducing things that the Courier did before we could impose our will over them, is actually genius. When we met out character, we knew that they had a vendetta against a client who screwed them over, we stopped being a courier in that moment, and the player is very much the manifestation of the courier's vendetta. I really like the idea that the courier was just any other person, doing a job to make ends meet, not asking unnecessary questions in a business where asking questions can get you killed rather easily. You could almost think of the player as a mental construct that formed within the courier in the moments before they were shot in the head. A beast of endurance and vengeance. That kind of thing could define what separates the courier, as well as many of the more independent characters, from the rest of the wasteland.
Suggestion: Fallout's Original DLC is an absolute nightmare.
Talk about 'The Bonus Mission/The Bonus Disc' a pre-order DLC for Tactics which included a new mission (Springfield), a new item(The Buggy), new artwork in the extras, and most interestingly instructions for an offline tabletop RPG version of Tactics you could play at home.
The story of Randal Clark legit brought me to tears the 1st time I played Honest Hearts.
in all fairness, you can speak to the members of think Tank individually, some of them even give you quests, its a easy way to remember their names and tell them apart, during the initial cutscene its confusing of course but after that its different.
You can actually escape the sierra Madre with all the gold if your sneaky. Just hide behind the electric boxes and sneak past elija and you can get past before he locks the door and keep him trapped
A small detail about dead money. The specific bit of technology that I thought father Elijah was so desperate to get hold of was the casino chips "vending machine" things? You aren't trading in those chips to receive prizes those chips are being made into those prizes. That's technology that he wants so much. It's just replicated technology that's literally all it is but ridiculously powerful. The brotherhood of steel could have as many hot meals, complex parts, weapons and ammo as they could want. Everything else about the casino being an absolute fortress wouldn't hurt as an impenetrable base of operations. Or at least I think he wanted to go back to the brotherhood of steel with this power technology rather than making his own faction?
Elijah obviously wanted to wipe everyone out like the onclave and FEV, theres a ending where you side with Elijah and that happens, gas cloud rolls over the mojave ending all life in nevada
Can’t you side with him where he promptly gases the entire wasteland and unleashes every single man made horror onto it?
@@beywheelzhater8930Yup, he also breaks the ground in the divide if you have that dlc installed.
He has no interest in the BoS anymore. He's a wanted criminal with them. He wanted all the tech, and it's annoying because the tech in Dead Money crosses over from somewhat plausible into crazy Star Trek level space magic tech.
@@beywheelzhater8930 iirc that's a cut ending but a mod might add it back in?
You're wrong about the part where you say that "Ulysses wants to nuke the Mojave", he wants to use the nukes to I-15 alongside some NCR territories nearby and some legion camps nearby to prevent further NCR and Legion expansion into the region, as he sees both powers are bad due to having two vastly different solutions to try help humanity survive but it ends up oppressing and exploiting people for its own gains whilst bringing suffering to those who get the short end of the stick. He hopes to prevent their expansion and to help something new and possibly even better to rise up similar to Hopeville before it became the Divide, though the only flaw with this is that he doesn't try to get rid of Robert House or Yesman oddly enough though you could possibly just say that he didn't expect them to survive for long, so in a way he hoped something different to House and Yesman would rise.
doesn't it say that nuking a faction destroys basically the whole faction? like - all their 'heartlands' or whatever, not just the long-15 and dry wells and surrounding areas - it just doesn't show it as much
@@Hello-lf1xs its more it destroys their progression into the mojave, cutting off the hear of the bear/bull
@@Hello-lf1xs i think its likely the nukes were targetting territory close to New Vegas's borders, thus preventing the NCR and the Legion from entering into New vegas land
"I wish them well. It's been a gift to me, at the end of it all, to behold innocence."
Every time I play Honest Hearts, I read his last note out loud and cry like a baby. Then I have to use his gun the whole rest of the run like I'm carrying on his memory.
"Goodbye, Zion."
Ugh, fuck Sawyer and Gonzalez for being such clever, genius, bastards.
Each DLC felt like a case study for game design. I really appreciated the absolute scope Obsidian took on when producing this game and its extras. You definitely don't see it in big budget games anymore.
I gotta throw my hat in to defend Dead Money. I think a lot of people don't like it because it forces a change in playstyle, which I can understand, but it does so in service of the narrative. On my first run, it took a few head explosions to learn that the key to dealing with the Sierra Madre speakers was to play it slow and patient. And I think the Dog room is actually a great example of that. It really cements that feeling of vulnerability and danger, and teaches you that you've gotta start checking corners, desks, ledges, etc.
Yes, it does. But that's not in service of the narrative at all; that's a gameplay change for the sake of a gameplay change. It's just one of many ways of tying a hand behind your back. The only reason we're given for that is "By unlucky coincidence, the exact frequency ALL the radios emit is precisely the frequency that will set off the bomb collars, and I couldn't shield it in anyway. Also, half the radios are made of adamantium and cannot be destroyed or deactivated." That's absolutely terrible writing.
@@billjacobs521 I mean Eli had like years to plan this all out, I assume he just calibrated them to the bomb collars and had himself or Dog to make it happen.
The indestructible radios… can’t really remember how indestructible they were from the last time I played, but it’s like the covenant plasma weaponry in halo. In canon, should kill marines in like 3 good shots. In game? Takes a lot more
Kinda like the inverse here. Some radios are invincible purely to make areas harder, which is the entire premise of Dead Money? Also, You can just disable them?? Or avoid them entirely until you can deal with them??
It turns hardcore into an actual survival game
It's terrible. As much as I enjoy the narrative of Dead Money (probably the most over the other DLCs), playing through it is a pain in the ass. The engine of New Vegas is extremely clunky, so stealthing your way through the narrow areas is hell, and you're stripped of weapons/armor that could've helped you get through the enemies (which deal a ton of damage due to you having bad/no armor). Exploration is also discouraged, because even though you can find Sierra Madre chips and recipes for the machine, you're constantly losing HP due to the cloud. Not just that, but sometimes you have to deal with the radios (some of which can't be destryed), so unless you run forward, you're going to meet the "load save" screen over and over again.
@@loren5432 you know you can just.... walk out of the cloud right?
Lonesome road is kickass, you are wrong, i will eat your spleen to the backdrop of a nuclear fire so bright it makes a vibrant sunset of the darkest midnight.
There is a way to scape the vault with all the gold bars and no it's not cheating. You just need a stealth boy and need to convince/trick Elijah to enter the vault.
"Its incredibly difficult to make a game thats comedy thats consistently funny all the way through" Yeah and youtube videos are just as difficult and yet here you are, absolutely hilarious with every single joke. I love this channel so much.
Amazing to see others are finally talking about this games DLC, nearly all it's main story points are enhanced with every addition, you may have a DLC you put at the bottom of your tier list, but no matter your last pick, you'll always play all of them. I would know, I hate honest hearts... but I need that OG Desert ranger get up.
Ranger armor and light shining in darkness. With the right perks it is probably the best gun in the game. High fire rare, low ap cost. High damage with hand loaded amo and the perk that boosts damage of simi auto weapons, and counts as a hold out weapon. heck it's only real downside is it doesn't have a silencer.
I have down like 20 play throughs of FONV and never played through all of the Sierra Madre pack
@@heazilla it's not a hard dlc as long as you have the light step perk.
@@heazilla Really the only DLC I can recommend if your ever in the mood for "Resident evil but fallout" so I don't blame you if it never ends up to be in your taste, great plot and world building tho
Honest hearts is mostly justifible fetch quests, that I'd prefer to do them over Fallout 4's quest systems, because at least they have an end to them, radiant quests don't in Fallout 4, they keep going on forevever and forever, sometimes you cannot even ignore them.
I feel you really missed out on the appeal of Dead Money by not mentioning the story of Vera and Sinclair. Its some of the best writing in the franchise.
I don't see it as very good at all. You do have to piece it together, which is always sort of fun in these kinds of games, but it's a very basic story. Which is fine, it's supposed to feel like an old 1930's romance movie ala Casablanca or something, but it's not particularly special.
@@billjacobs521except Vera came back as an unkillable ghost that is trying to kill you, while screaming the last words she said when she was alive.
Meanwhile, Sinclair is a corpse, caught in his own trap, whose failure and pursuit for retribution caused the death of so many people, even after the bombs dropped.
I'm not a film buff, but I don't think Casablanca has that
Randall’s caves and final resting place is like an unironic pilgrimage for me when I play NV lol
It’s probably some of the best story telling in the entire game.
The White Legs are just as complicated as any other faction in New Vegas. New Vegas is a game about war, and the Courier is forced to side with the New Canaanites in the war between and the White Legs because the New Canaanites (and the people they're converting to mormonism) are the only people around you who speak english. Also you showed up with a caravan that trades with the New Canaanites.
The first person to give me a rundown of what's going in Zion valley was David, a New Canaanite. The way he tells it is a simple story of a tribe of pure savages (the white legs), a tribe of pure innocents who don't know war/violence (the sorrows), and a tribe of mormons who can save the innocent tribes. That story structure is very common in traditional american folk-lore about the native americans.
The thing is, if you keep asking him questions or ask other people what's going on, you're going to keep getting stories that don't fit into that narrative. The White Legs are at war with the New Canaanites and anybody who supports them (including you), on behalf of Caesar's legion due to their emnimity with Joshua. The White Legs' territory is just as well cultivated as that of the other tribes. Joshua and David have something like this before, and the other tribes they integrated into got exterminated. We're told the White Legs are reliant on their position as scouts for Caesar to survive.
Like the main story of New Vegas, the Courier shows up in the middle of a war that's going to end in somebodies society collapsing. The power you have is deciding how and to which society.
(Also, Honest Heart has the same colonial element that shows up again and again in the backstories of the three major factions. One powerful imperialist (in the case Caesar) moving to wipe out a tribal way of life to accomplish a political goal of theirs)
Well yes when you get shot in the head and survive memory loss tends to be a thing
I'm biased, but I loved all of the DLC for this game. In Honest Hearts, exploring a beautiful location, meeting Graham after his darkest hour, influencing whether he returns to his old ways and takes the Dead Horses and Sorrows with him, or trying to find a better path. In Dead Money, seeing New Vegas as a survival horror game, with the casino and its characters equal parts tragic and terrifying - I think people are way to harsh on this one specifically. Old World Blues is pretty much as you said - simultaneously silly, tragic, horrible, and overall just extremely well written, with SO many memorable locations, characters and quests. Lonesome Road was less memorable, but I feel at least succeeds in making a challenging endgame finale as big or even bigger than the base game's, while giving consequence to the player's actions and resultant faction fame/infamy
Sierra Madre without the Light Step perk is an exercise in “how many pieces of my controller can I bite off before it stops working?”
The best part about dead money is that the message of letting go is delivered by literally every characters story, Dog, Dean and Christines good endings are achieved by you convincing them to let go with Dog having to let go of the split personality he’s made to cope with his servitude to Elijah, Dean has to let go of his hatred of Sinclair and his desire to rob the vault, and Christine has to let go of her desire for vengeance against Elijah, Elijah’s downfall is also caused by his inability to let go of his defeat at Helios one leading him to his meeting with the courier
For me the fav dlc is Dead Money bc I just like that "letting go" thing, but the overall thing with how everything in NV from base game to dlcs lead to Lonesome Roads is just brilliant
Worth noting that in Lonesome Road you can also just decide to nuke the Legion and/or the NCR, which actually gives you access to new areas that used to be major locations in both their territories (before you nuked them).
My Headcanon for the Amazon Fallout Series ... it was the Courier.
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 no, it's just the writers' incompetence and hatred towards NV
Honestly Dead Money mainly gets a bad reputation because it effectively forces you to play the game in a completely different way than you've been playing the whole time. DM feels like it's built specifically for sneak/melee/survival builds even if it does have interesting goodies for other builds by the end. It's a great survival-horror game made in the engine of and tacked onto a shooter-RPG. I've played New Vegas a few times now and my build almost always gets paused at this point in favor of me putting points where I haven't yet to better deal with either not dying to the cloud or making sure the ghost people are dead. Once you're in the casino, it starts to feel like proper Fallout again, but only in the way that you're getting more dialog skill checks and there's considerably less enemies to worry about, and yet there's still more segments where the best course of action is to use stealth. The other DLCs also promote specific builds with their common loot and themes but it feels like you're more often given opportunities to use and improve your chosen build the way you have for the rest of the game.
Also frontloading all the background information of the DLC really isn't Dead Money exclusive, it's kind of there for all the DLCs, especially those where the only talkable NPCs appear near the beginning and don't really *need* to be talked to until the very end. Honest Hearts is probably the most spread out with its dialog and exposition, and that's primarily because Daniel and Joshua are on opposite sides of the map and aren't the first NPCs you talk to. Lonesome Road is something similar but it's more like Ulysses drip feeds you information at specific checkpoints as you progress through the linear map.
You think Dead Money is confusing? From what I remember playing the game, I was mostly confused playing that one DLC which I think was Lonesome Road because I had no fucking clue what that Ulysses guy was talking about the entire time he kept monologuing at me as I went through the Divide. Like, I was so confused by the idea that he knew me and pretty much everything else he was saying. Like, dude, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, WHO ARE YOU?!