The Art Of Freeing A Stuck Engine
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Our little Chevy was locked up solid due to a situation common to any car, bike truck or boat that has been sitting for any length of time in a humid environment. Here's how we determined what went wrong, how we planned our attack and how she now spins free and smooth with no violence or voodoo.
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Can't wait to see Tony skiing behind his boat.
Like the fonz
@@vicmccartin Maybe jump the shark like the Fonz?
🤣🤣🤣 In his suit from the 70's 🤣🤣🤣
While smoking 🚬
Not in December... Unless he joins the polar bear skiing club. 😂
When my daughter was16, our neighbor offered her a ‘79 Dodge Aspen 225 for free. It had been sitting for 6 years. After we killed all the wasps, we took a fresh battery and vital fluids to see if it would wake up… it did, and sounded pretty good. We determined that the Tourqueflite engaged, and the brakes wouldn’t. It was a father and daughter project, we worked on it together. If I was getting greasy, so was she. It ended up being her daily driver for several years, very dependable. She sold it to our trash collection guy, he drove for some years, later told me he sold it to a friend, it may still be alive. She named it “Old Yeller”.
Hey Tony!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!
Tony I would change the impeller for good measure. If it’s been sitting the rubber blade is probably hard and took a set. They probably won’t last and why pass the broken pieces through the system if ya don’t have to. I have no experience with out drive setups but inboards I know.
Had an 82 Outboard come in, looked near brand new, carb clean, thing ran fine as kind, pumped aswell. Long term, ordering a kit and praying one random hoarder has one, would be the goal but yeah.
We called moving the stuck engine back and forth, rocking the engine.
When putting boat engines away for the year pouring special oil in while the engine runs (fogging) put some oil in the cylinders and valves. It's not enough coating to last more than a year or two. Also closing up the carburetor/ flame arrestor helps keep air and moisture out.
Old-timers always said back off the valve adjustment for long-term storage...
Haha you should find an old Detroit 2 stroke book and read the long term storage details.
Stuff like wax paper between the belts and pulleys,they weren't playing around.
So the Hues Connection was wrong. You ARE supposed to rock the boat.
Same deal on 2 stroke outboards, and four stroke (depending on carburated or fuel injected) just some fuel with this oil in it (specific stuff obviously), either run it till she smokes a bit on light throttle snap, and cut it for EFI, or run it dry with carb. Simple, but it just keeps them good. So much of any small engine problems, from what i see, is bad gas, old gas, water in the gas, then just destruction from neglect but yeah
@@jeffbecker8716 I got it.
Back in the day we unstuck an engine with Marvel's. It really worked.
yep its a mystery how it works... :)
Word !
Might be a mystery, BUT IT WORKS!!!
Would be a good idea to check the compression before you go ANY further.
I was thinking the same.
@@BrewBlaster at least it gives you an idea if you have a boat anchor or not
Won't tell you much yet. Once the motor runs a while the rings can seat back in. You won't get a true reading until that happens.
@@Private0Malley no but if you got 25 to 60psi it's probably not worth messing with. Compression won't go up more than about 20 to 30 psi
Even though everything you said and did is 100% spot on I have a suspicion that you are going to find that the exhaust manifold is corroded and leaking water into the exhaust port of one cylinder. To say that this is common on those mercruisers would be a huge understatement.
That makes alot of sense from being a boat mechanic/car on problems you may run into that makes a difference in the 2.
True. Nobody ever takes care of a boat properly. And those manifolds crack and leak with age.
My uncle Masa had a can of pb blaster that I borrowed. It worked so well that I went out and bought a can for myself and 1 more for uncle Masa. It just seems to work better than other
products.
You like pb blaster,
Try jb80
It’s literally twice as good
Aerokroil has entered the chat. King of penetrants. It literally creeps.
I used 2 cycle oil and kerosene mixed together. Filled each cylinder waited 1 day 24 hrs. Then removed the starter used pry-bar on the flywheel teeth back and forth the flywheel greatly increases your leverage on the crankshaft so you can turn the engine over just like the small starter. Engine started right up.
Dumb question. Could you put some white vinegar in the cylinder for a few days? Just a thought.
Automatic transmission fluid works good
Puddin’s Fab Shop uses vinegar for stuck engines with great success, and plenty of variety of oils, works well
Worked for me.
Ya, I've used the same along with a few others. Was just curious if he or anyone had ever tried vinegar
@@luke8210 I wouldn't suggest it. There is a very good chance some will get past the rings and be pumped throughout the oil system. I doubt you would ever get rid of all the acid.
Love the lime green engine! 😋😍
Me too!
BOAT = Break Out Another Thousand
Water pump impeller on top of the lower unit is shot...good news is the pump and housing is relatively cheap...replace them.
It's amazing what the spark plugs can tell you about the health of an engine.
B Bust
O Out
A Another
T Thousand
I use a 50/50 mix of acetone and automatic transmission fluid. It actually eats away the rust. I found an antique Soviet Union KMZ Dnepr military sidecar motorcycle that was imported from Ukraine after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was new having been built in 1972 and lost in a warehouse 20 years before being exported. It had problems as everything made by workers living under communism do so it should have been taken apart, everything checked and repaired and then put back together. The person that imported his "Indiana Jones motorcycle" from Ukraine didn't know that so it sat in his barn 27 years before I got it. I purchased it for it's sidecar and frame but after the engine sat overnight soaking in acetone and automatic transmission fluid the engine freed up and turned over easily. That's when I decided to save it as a running and driving relic of the cold war. Today it's a good reliable motorcycle I enjoy very much.
I'm only 3and a half minutes through but I just want to point out sometimes a pulley will sease up and not the motor so always check your belts and make sure it's not that causing it
Congrats on in-sticking the boat engine. The lime green engine color? Meh, not my style, but if the jet crew likes it, who am I to gripe, not my car
Just an FYI from an old Mercruiser mechanic; your drive system was used on all Mercruisers, including the 260 hp SBC 350. Mercruiser even used them behind a 330hp 454 for a short time. The V-8s have a different length driveshaft on the drive than the inlines. An inline 6 cylinder chevy will bolt up if you move the front pedestal forward; I once installed a Target 292 in a Sea Ray. Just saying...
250 six good engine but blocks like to crack.
@@cammontreuil7509 so they're not good engines.
@@importsstillsuck I've had all Merc boat engines. Even the 305.
For gas mileage and speed the 250 in my opinion is really good.
4 cyl drives have 1.94 to 1 ratio , the I6 250 had 1.62 to 1 ratio, and the 350 uses a 1.47 to 1 ratio. Watched a fool waste a lot of time and money trying to figure out why his boat would not get on plane, why it guzzled fuel, right after he got a "good deal" on used drive, (with the wrong ratio).
@@jamesgeorge4874 funny. Seen that one before too.
I was thinking, how bout filling the bad cylinder with Evaporust, and leaving it for a day. I dropped the pan on one of my engines that had sat unstarted for a few years, that’s when I saw how effective oil rings are at scraping the bottoms of the cylinders free of oil, all the visible swept parts on the bottom were orange with rust. I live in a very wet climate though.
thats genius.
I think P.B. blaster was the first consumer grade product to work. Marvel Mystery oil and other "penetrating oils" just didn't work that well. Uncle Tony was PB the first? I seem to recall it being called "nuts off" or some thing in the 90's
@Rich Rishel Right it had a not so nice name but worked great. anybody have a can, or picture?
Personally I blame squirrels
I still blame the moose
I blame the rats
i bought a68 chrysler 300 back in the early 80's. somebody had put new plugs wires cap and rotor on . They couldn't get it started. (the point had come off the arm ,was welded to the other point and the arm was sparking on the back of the points.) they sprayed two cans of ether through it and then left it set all winter. In the spring I bought the car for 50 bucks, put marvel mystery oil in the cylinders and left it set for 3 days. I could get it too rotate forward with a breaker bar. Couldn't turn it backwards even with a flywheel turner. I ended up bolting another pulley on the crank with a slot for a piece of 1x2 flat bar. Worked it back and forth very carefully with a hydraulic jack on the frame. got it freed up in about 4 hrs. I drove it for six months and sold it for $1300 . total cos was a can of marvel oil and a set of good points. you are absolutely right that you can free them up if you take your time. P.S. it only used a quart of oil every 800 miles. A lot of those old 383 motors burned that much straight out of the factory.
As odd as it looks, the lime green block is cool...but only on a Chrysler. That was creative 👌.
I bought a 42 Plymouth once at an auction, it didn’t run no surprise there. But I had little time to work on it so a so called mechanic checked it out for me. He said it was seized really bad, I sold it to the first person that offered what I paid for it. He had it running 2 days later. It turns out the parking brake was engaged, they have the brake on the drive shaft. Just goes to show check everything close. I hope somebody got use from my little story.
"So, we took it out to the dragstrip last night and it was running really good...
Until the bottom of our pan blew off and sprayed two gallons of oil all over the track."
Go ahead and order the water pump kit for the outdrive I Chanel it every season. Probably be a good idea to do the gimbal and shift bellows at the same time.
I just freed up a 383 that’s been sitting on my garage floor for 5 years!! Cylinder 4 was completely full of acorns and had a valve stuck in the piston. Wd40 and couple wacks to the piston with a 2x4 punch block and it rolled right over !
Acorns? I'd blame squirrels.
@@rcnelson I saw a chipmunk go in and out of my garage all last year but didn’t see any signs of nesting, I’ll take nuts over nesting any day! I found a couple other small stashes but this was their honey hole .
I see an Uncle Tony pirate flag in the near future #Merch
Love all the tips and tricks. You might consider getting a borescope. It would save alot of guessing and alot of pulling heads. I have a few older optical Olympus', but the newer webcam styles can be had for peanuts.
Can you put a baffle at the back of the deepest part of the sump to keep it from running up and out under hard acceleration?
Neon green engine. Just like if it was a model drag car being put together by a kid in the 60's.
Sieze the moment!
UN-seize the moment*
I knew I could find someone that can make a boat serviceable on the cheap :) Thank you for making such an awesome channel :)
I'm a diesel tech and I work on heavy equipment. We have a small broderson crane my boss purchased from fpl that has one of these iron duke 4 cylinders in it but it has a drive by wire throttle body on it with port injection and a coil on plug ignition system. It runs good but I think she's gonna need a set of plugs soon.
Have worked on plenty of those, the weak point on raw water cooled versions is the front of the front cylinder, its very thin. They machine a little behind the water pump and that gets thin...
Would sleeving bore #1 be a wise idea at rebuild time?
@@skylinefever There is very little meat to do that.
Great video! I bought a 55 Dodge pickup that had a 383 that is stuck. I didn't buy it for the engine, but I kept it and it's been sitting inside since I bought it. I always assumed I would just have to tear it apart and rebuild it to get it running, but who knows? Maybe it's not as bad as I think. I will have to pull the plugs and check it out. I did pour diesel fuel in every cylinder when I stored it so that should help.
This will be your Shut up and listen portion of the Uncle Tony's garage Straight Talk & Update Corner..
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3.0 mercruiser motors are notorious for cracking block and heads even if winterized. Also check the bellows on the out drive
I'm sticking to my guess that the exhaust manifold is corroded and leaking water into the exhaust port of one cylinder. I've replaced many manifolds and risers on four and six cylinder mercruisers for just what tony is experiencing.
I would do a compression test just to make sure there is no problem in that cylinder
Boat = Bust Out Another Thousand. Unless you're Uncle Tony. Then it's Bust Out Another Trick.
I used a mix Marvel Mystery Oil and WD 40 to winterize my engine. Never failed me.
My Jeep friend always did this with river engines he would find. But he also did this Tony. Used a air compressor and added an oiler line to both intake and exhaust and blew oily air into the engine as he freed them up so intake valves and seatings and rods and all got a dose of lube as they started to free as well. You mite think it's over kill. But we do not. Lol
With that extendo sump you might make a little more power too if you can maintain the same oil volume, and thus a lower oil level for extra low windage.
Rubber tipped air nozzle in a spark plug hole:
Thought it would push ATF past the rings, instead it spun the motor.
Cannot overstate the importance of rotating a stuck engine BACKWARDS! Rust will form a ring where the rings meet the cylinder walls and form a "chock". Pulling the piston down below that really helps the penetrant work and soften that chock. I've freed MANY tractor engines by putting the transmission in high gear and tugging the tractor backwards slightly until it frees. Sometimes takes a few days but almost always works.
@2:00 - Did I miss an episode? You just walk right by the Miata without even looking at it like she's your ex and then on to your new woman, the boat.
Not a bad bead at all! But being major OCD, I'd really want to run TIG, instead. Certified L.A. City welder and A.B.S. certified. But your answer is easier for most folks to do and doesn't require hours of schooling.
I like diesel fuel for this. Right combination of oil and detergents.
Love your teaching and your channel.
Boat bust out another thousand ...me and boats dont mix you got more love for them than i ever will i do like watching those kids drag race in those tiny river boats with twin turbo mitsubishis and toyotas andvtge occasional turbo diesel now thats some funny stuff watching this piece of plywood that barely floats rip up a river with a kid wearing a great Gatsby t shirt 80s tennis shoes a pair of shorts and a pack of old gold s laying flat in a tiny river boat going 100mph up a river to a certain early death now that always entertains.
Plenty of vehicles on Marketplace that say "Wont start, just clicks. May need starter & battery which is code for - "motor is locked up"
I found if I'm going to store any engine what I do is I pull out spark plugs fill all the cylinders with transmission fluid and put spark plugs back in keeps cylinder from getting rusty
People let's pass the hat around and get this guy a proper mig welder. He's obviously gonna use it a lot and we'll be spared the sight of another flux core weld where it doesn't belong.
Thanks Tony, I've got a 1975 Chevy square-body step-side pickup that's been in my garage for 26 years. The front clip had been removed making access to the engine easier. The truck ran when I parked it. I put a socket and breaker bar on the harmonic balancer and it laughed at me. Wow, I thought of the worst case scenario (pull heads and yank block). I saw your video and guess what? Took about 8 hours of small shots of Blaster penetrant and little by little movement of the crank and she broke free. No damage and she's turning a full revolution smoothly. Great video and many thanks. Keep up the good work!
Uncle Tony you know I’m up in North Jersey. Taking a boat for a spin on Christmas is not what we aspire to do haha! PB Blaster is my go to because it works for me on stubborn stuff. Nice and easy is great advice on the breaker bar or equivalent back and, fourth. No hard torquing. Important tech here Tony. Thanks for sharing! It will no doubt save many folks a bunch of buck$$$$$!
I was building a low dollar big block A body in 1996. Picked up a 361 for 50 bucks The guy said it’s been on his garage floor for 10 years. Unfortunately there was still water in it, and had rusted out the steel shim head gasket and fill the cylinder with water B and yes Rusticles . To free up the engine I put it on a stand with the spark plug facing up fill the cylinder with transmission fluid made adapter out of a spark plug to adapt a porta Power and hydraulically broke the rings loose from the cylinder walls. Then proceeded to free the motor up in the exact manner you explained in this video. The end result was I drove the car for eight months with that motor until I Spun the bearing at the dragstrip but it turned 12s.
I want to see someone try filling the cylinders with penetrating fluid and then attach an ultrasonic transducer to the block.
The 3.0 4 cylinder can also be found in forklifts / generators.
The second best day of my life was when I bought my boat.the best day was when I finally sold it
Those Sea ray hulls are unusually thick and tough as a sob
A boat with electrical problems up the wazoo...say it ain't so lol
Rust is always trying to take our toys away!! 😭
What great practical insight, this channel is pure gold.
I had to free up an old Ford motor that was going in my nephew's '53 panel truck. It had been sitting for 8 or 9 years. Each cylinder got a good dose of WD-40. Then it sat for a few days. Then each cylinder got an ounce of 5-30w oil. Then it again sat for a few days. It got a piece of unistrut bolted on to the flywheel which we proceeded to beat on with a large hammer. We got the engine freed up and it ran like a champ. Doesn't burn any oil either.
A GALLON OF VINEGAR AND LET IT SIT FOR A WEEK, THEN USE THE MAGIC MIXTURE
Next thing Tony makes a boogie board out of a Valiant hood and a tow rope from some old jumper cables just in time for the family boat outing on Christmas morning! Hell yeah!!!!
For as long as she set go ahead and order the water pump in the out drive
Wow crazy i just got done freeing a stuck motor in my old truck it sat for a year with open exhaust ports
PB blaster...the original "weasel piss"
My tractor sat for 20 years and moisture had gotten into the 3rd cylinder when the exhaust valve was open. It was completely stuck and wouldn't move at all. Diesel fuel in the cylinders over night and next day it started rocking back and forth and then broke free. Quick spin with the starter cleaned the bores. Runs great.
Yup...diesel is my goto and it hasnt let me down yet!!
Love all the tips you give, I hope that all the people watching enjoy them as much as I do.
This would be a good time to do a cold compression test?
A Miata with a slant six, Harley Sportster, many cars and their related systems being tuned and prepped, and now a boat. Just looking at all the irons Uncle has in the fire makes me too tired to even move. I wonder if a Cessna is next. The man is a dynamo.
Airboat for the win...
Hahaha . love you , that is a GOOD weld , just not good looking , but you are so right , it get the job done . much love to ya all
How many seconds of spray per cylinder do you suggest for Lubrication of cylinder walls? Good Video.
PB Blaster is the god of penetration !
Good advice Tony. It's kinda like tapping a hole. It you try to force it all at once you will brake the tap. Whether it's a rusty piston ring clogged up from crap scraped off the rusty cylinder, or metal bound up in the threads of a tap, you have to go backwards to release the debris and allow the lubrication to flow in ,or you will break shit.
How do you get the pb blaster out of the cylinder once it’s broke free ? Or is it not harmful to leave in In ?
You pull your engine oil drain plug and pull all your spark plugs out. You are removing the PB blaster that seeped past the piston rings into the crankcase and while the engine is turning over, the pistons are spitting the PB blaster out the spark plug holes, so your engine will be all cleaned out.
Well if that one is toast I see a slant 6 swap in its future.
Watch Out!!!!
I bought a cabin cruiser with volvo penta 5.7L that looked like New! It was suposed to have only water rust just like that one!. I tried auto trans. Fluid with acetone, diesel, wd 40, name it. So i left diesel for a while and when i actually free it a bit, I did all Uncle Tony did. I was just about to start it and find out the "block was crack" between cylinder 3 and 5. High enough that it didnt leak oil. Water was lefted in and froze. There's a lot of stuff around that i coulnt see it before i filled water to start. The engine is 3 feet deep in 27' boat and it was very hard to see. I learned to Fill with water before you spend hours of sweat. Youll see the color of residu coming out other end.
2 comments, hopefully you welded a baffle into that pan also and I can tell you that three liter engine will not be powerful enough to move that boat at any decent power level, an inline 6-cylinder Works fairly well in a boat that size
Knew a guy who would buy locked up farm tractors. Filled the cylinders with kerosene and atf and walked away, left them in gear.
Whenever he was in that shed, just rocked the rear tires a few times.
Sometimes, they would sit soaking so long, he didn't even need to put rings in them, just sell a 0 effort running tractor.
He had me at PB Blaster
BIG big big hint on the wiring, skin a couple of the wires in the middle of the harness and make sure the wires are not green or white, ( should obviously be copper), if they are g or w, it will run great on out of water but not at all on the water. It's a very common problem on all water vessels no matter their size. There's been a lot of them scrapped because of it.
On the seized engines, My Dad and I used trans-fluid and a big honking screw driver or pry bar on the flexplate/flywheel depending on std. or auto, with a pull handle on the front of the crank, me at the back under the car because I was younger he would always say, (after removing the starter of course) and him on the front, sometimes it took only a couple of minutes but some of them took hours to get freed up. Diesel works too but you have to flush it out a lot after freeing it up or it will immediately foul out your new set of plugs 3 or 4 times before it will start and run. We learned that 1 the hard way 😶 but carb cleaner fixes that problem easily.
Great job getting it turning Uncle Tony, BUY GOOD PAIR OF PADDLES, and a trolling motor with an extra battery, paddling SUCKS😏. NEW FEUL PUMP AND WATER IMPELLER IN THE FOOT also check the gear lube in the foot too.
@ 00:29 -- Remember, flux-core wirefed welding isn't MIG: you want to weld down-hand with one and fore-hand with the other...
My dad made a 3/4 inch steel plate drilled to match the head bolts on an old Case tractor. Put a fitting in the middle for an air chuck. Marvel Mystery oil over night and 120 psi no more stuck piston. Only works if the piston is up though
An old hot rodder slash retired mechanic I used to know would fill the blocks up to the combustion chambers with used oil. He preferred ATF. He said that it would keep them from rusting and dissolve the sludge and not form sludge in the oil pan like the way would after years of setting.
Another great vidio.....thanks. You get a feel for these things when you work them slowly. Freeing rusted bolts or rusted anything else, and feeling the stretch in a bolt before it breaks....it's all about feel.
I like a dial torque wrench for that reason. When you slowly approach a torque spec and the bolt starts to stretch you know exactly how close it got. 2.2/2.5 mopar head bolts with the 1/4 turn after 65 ft lb revealed real problems with some after market head bolts using a dial wrench. Good bolts would finish up over 90 ft lbs. Going old school and doing a re-torque, they'd all start moving around 70 ft lbs. That seemed to solve my head gasket problems
@@anonmachina I have no experience with stainless but would definitely test one to see what it will take. You might want to check with someone that knows stainless as it doesn't all have have the same properties
I worked my way through an apprenticeship with two kids and a wife at home by freeing up Mercruisers, mostly the 4 cylinders. They were all run in salt water and had no freshwater cooling. After sitting for a couple of months, many of them were stuck. After trying the rocking method, I pulled a head and to my surprise the cylinders were not rusted. After a lot of head scratching, I figured out the rings were jammed into the cylinder by corrosion behind them. Couldn't think of what to do, so I built a fire in each cylinder, one by one. Used kerosene and transmission fluid. every hour or so I'd rock the engine and check that piston, if I got any hint of movement I'd move onto the next cylinder. It was slow, but it worked, never had any problems with the engines one they were freed up and running. I guess once running, the engine broke up any remaining junk behind the rings. These boats were many years old, for the most part, and the owners weren't going to put out the money for rebuilds to a shop, that's how they ended up with me.
Nice work on the Slant oil pan......Great Channel!
Are you putting the fluid in the spark plugholes? would white vinigar work , coudl you put ih in the cylindar head and manually move backand forther, also woudl it be worth draining the oil out first?
Great bit of knowledge and worth it's weight in gold. A "Thunk" sign will be hanging in my shop.
That is a beautiful flux core bead.....I wish I could lay em out like that!!!
This is fun. Watching Tony learn the hard way like so many of us out here that bought cheap boats is priceless. Keep digging Tone....;)
VGG simply puts a pull handle on the harmonic balancer and rotates it in both directions until it fires up. Deisel fuel, WD, and rans fluid in the sparklators helps too.
Acetone and Trans fluid works good too- I've used all these potions through the years and they all work well. The key is patience!
Just as long as you don't try to retrofit a car radiator and get the headers glowing cherry red like the 'great kills harbor' incident Alpha!
Those 3.0s airlock something fierce in the cooling system when you refill them.
Drain 3 gallons and only 2 wanna go back in.
Guaranteed it'll give ya hell, every one I've worked on has.
At least that's how they are in generator sets.
Gotta do the old school trick of a bleed hole in the thermostat.
There is nothing to fill on that mercruiser, it gets its cooling water from the same body of water the boat is in. The water is drawn in by a pump that uses a rubber impeller at the bottom of the outdrive and exits out the exhaust in the center of the propeller.
I never had that problem, my marine engine had (just like Tony’s) 2 water pumps that tend to work very well.
@@The_Impulse and most lakes have plenty of water to cool the engine.
@@davidleonard8369 that they do. It’s still very similar to a generator in that it is a pressurized cooling system even tho it’s not a closed system. The engine still runs at 180 depending on the thermostat.
@@The_Impulse not trying to be a d##k but you lost me on the mercruiser having a pressurized cooling system. No radiator or heat exchanger and no pressure cap. Technically it's an open total loss system. When the water in the engine gets up to temperature the thermostat opens and allows fresh water in and the hot water is expelled out the exhaust. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I have been incorrect many times in my life.
Just his kind of crazy. Boat ready for "CHRISTMAS MORNING" in Tennessee!!
Who takes apart a car? I was always taught that when the skinny pedal stops working you trade it in for a new one right? Cars are just like socks.