Guitarist REACTS to EXILE by Taylor Swift (feat. BON IVER)
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- I had no idea that Taylor and Justin Vernon from BON IVER had ever worked together. Their voices sound amazing on this track, and somehow they're able to do it from hundreds of miles away. Also, I am FINALLY watching the Disney+ versions of these songs, so I discuss the opening scene as well.
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Original Video (non Disney+ link):
• Taylor Swift - exile (...
IN THIS VIDEO:
0:00 - Intro
0:42 - Musical Intro
01:33 - Updates
03:16 - DISCUSSION
07:32 - FIRST VERSE
08:39 - Technique
09:52 - Lyrics
10:58 - 2ND VERSE
12:08 - Lyrics
14:08 - BRIDGE
16:26 - Technique
17:16 - Lyrics (intro scene)
19:06 - Final Thoughts
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The reason she is so nervous about asking Justin to be in the song is that Taylor has always craved the recognition from her peers not as a successful act, but as a talented one. For a lot of years people doubted Taylor's talent because of being a main pop girl, and if you follow her career and interviews and understand why she wrote Speak Now by herself you understand that deep down even after Reputation she is just deeply insecure about how people respected in the industry view her as a true peer and not just "a pop girl"
And to expand (based on Andrew's comment about why someone wouldn't want to do a duet with T Swift), I think Justin absolutely would have turned her down if he didn't like the song.
That has always struck me as a bit weird based on the two things... The number of professional awards she has won that are not fan voted and the number of legends that been guest artists at her shows and gush about her all the time....I mean a Steven Tyler doesn't get on stage and sing with just anyone. Def Leppard, although there is a family connection there, Bryan Adam's, The Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Robbie Williams and the list just goes on.....
I've always wondered if she suffers from a case of imposter syndrome....I'm nowhere near as good in what I do as she is but I suffer from that
@@ZATennisFanYes. I think she does. Thus, “thank you for saying that” and the look of genuine pleasure and, at times, awe, at the response of the crowds during this tour.
i think the reason why joe used a pseudonym was to prevent the media from focusing on him (as her boyfriend) being a part of the album rather than the album itself when the album first came out. and then the later reveal was to help start conversations on the album again as a fun fact.
Also, just so you know Joe and Taylor write the most sad, fcked up songs together because they both love sad songs not because they have gone through any rough patch that we know of. In fact as a fandom we have a popular meme that says "Joe arriving home and seeing that Taylor is writing another song about them hypothetically breaking up" and "Taylor arriving home and seeing that Joe is writing another song about them hypothetically breaking up" because they both do it and its funny if not a little weird
they broke up
Taylor is very protective of her relationship with Joe, she rarely ever talks about him because she fears that something bad might happen to them because of the media (She’s learned from her last relationships). She has started to open up about him but very VERY briefly and It took her about 4 years to talk about him this “much”.
Anyway this is probably why his real name wasn’t used. And honestly I think the only reason she revealed that Joe was William Bowery is because fans started speculating a lot haha so she just decided to throw us the bone.
Yeah, I can definitely see that. Thanks!
She's so good at explaining and framing her music. It's an underrated skill.
So true bestieeee 😭💖
It's not that difficult because she wrote it. She understands how the lyrics and story came to be. Unlike other artist who doesn't write their own songs.
Well, Taylor and Joe are really private about their relationship. Actually, this was the first time Taylor has ever said "Joe" publically. There's not even an "oficial" photo of them, they are all paparazzi's candids.
They probably did it so that way the album and songs they wrote together wouldn't be overshadowed by tabloids... or something like that. So the focus was "who is William?", but it wasn't like a big deal
Edit: typo, ups
I love the last bit of this. It depicts how couples argue. They were singing on top of each other, spitting back and forth, they keep talking about their side, no one's listening to the other person, they want to push their own narrative. It is a beautiful arrangement showing the pain of an argument and how frustrating it is..
I don’t think this song is autobiographical. People joke that Taylor and Joe just roleplay breaking up for fun, they must be super solid because they even wrote a song about a relationship being ruined because the guy proposed (and as far as we know they aren’t even engaged).
When the album came out, Taylor didn't do the sort of interviews she used to do, or that she resumed doing for Lover. She let Aaron Dessner get the limelight for it; she didn't interview until a Jimmy Kimmel appearance, and Apple Music (Zane Lowe) interview after Evermore. But she made it plain that she and Joe both just _like_ sad songs.
I think Joe and Taylor are not like that. Also Joe seems to be good at this framing stories for songs. Taylor mostly derived from her life long enough. Now after meeting Joe she has found this middle ground. She was already an OG in songwriting. Now these two have started framing stories from may be not something happened to them but other things. No body no crime is a prime example to that. It's awesome.
Folklore is like a collection of essays on very random but specific elements of the human condition. They are stories about certain people and at the same time about everyone. Like actual folklore. :) Most of them are not literally related to Taylor’s own life, though some of them are (metaphorically).
Joe has a Grammy now, so he's doing fine 😂
Relationship goals 😭💖
many comments explaining Joe using a pseudonym but another reason is that it's fun! Taylor knows Swifties like mysteries and easter eggs and want to be kept guessing, so she does it for us! Another example of this is a mysterious cover of her song, Look What You Made Me Do was used on a 2020 episode of the British show Killing Eve. The credited artist was Jack Leopards and the Dolphin Club. Swifties did some FBI-level decoding and found out this was actually her brother, Austin Swift.
This just proves that swifties are on level of the FBI lol
this documentary (and the reveal about william bowery) was released in November, 4 months after the album was released. So the "taylor writes with her boyfriend" narrative was not a highlight or was not used to promote the album and the media never had the chance to use that as a headline to get clicks when the folklore hype was at its peak. And the fact that she doesn't even talk about him. They're so private. So this little detail would have been such a huge deal if his actual name was there. It would've overshadowed the actual brilliance of the album and the other collaborators.
What I love about this song is I feel like it so perfectly encapsulates what's going on in like 70% of breakups and divorces - one party feeling blindsided by it, having no idea how broken down the relationship really was, and the other party feeling like they gave so many chances, they gave so many signs that there were all these problems, and they're just exhausted and can't do it anymore. Regardless of which side of the story is more accurate in any given case, I feel like this is the story I hear over and over again about the breakdown of serious romantic relationships.
I think the main reason for the pseudonym is that they didn’t want them writing together to be the story and distract from the actual music in any way or influence people’s opinion on it. This reveal was months after the album came out. She’s used a pseudonym the same way several times in her career when she’s written for other artists so the song could be judged on its merits without her involvement influencing opinions or becoming the main story. Plus she just likes a mystery!
only once, when she wrote the song with Calvin Harris for Rihanna to sing. but that is _exactly_ why she did it.
@@robertthompson7242 And when she gave Better Man to Little Big Town. I’m not sure she used a different name but it wasn’t revealed she wrote it for a while at least.
@@Mary-ks2kc She was always listed on the album credits, and was awarded a CMA award for Song of the Year in 2017 as the writer.
Big Machine might have kept it quiet until the album dropped, though. I didn't hear it on the radio, so I don't know how it was introduced. Taylor was kind of keeping a low profile then (late 2016).
Little Big Town was another Big Machine act; so were The Civil Wars (Safe & Sound;) and Sugarland (Babe). So, those were sort of "in House".
Most of the award nominations were for the group/duo performance, the video, or top country song; but aside from the CMA's, the song didn't win as a song, but as a recording; which puts the emphasis on LBT.
Thing is, Taylor wrote Better Man and Babe for the Red album in 2012 , and didn't use them; the song she wrote for Harris was always _intended_ for Rihanna.
She usually collabs on things for her own albums; but fwiw, she did a collab with B.o.B. (Both of Us) where she _didn't_ co-write it. I'd like to know if there are more, if you know any I missed.
@@robertthompson7242 Better Man was released as a pre-album single, they kept her credit quiet for a few weeks once the song was already successful and getting great reviews. Little Big Town has never been signed to Big Machine? Them and Taylor probably just agreed they wanted the first impression of the song to be influenced by any of the narrative or backlash around Taylor at that time.
You forgot her collab with Boys Like Girls, Two is Better Than One and she also collaborated with John Mayer on Half of My Heart but she’s not listed as a feature for her vocals on it. And I Don’t Want to Live Forever with Zayn.
@@Mary-ks2kc Yup, I missed on LBT; thought they were signed to one of the odd labels Big Machine used to use. Taylor said she liked their harmonies. I mentioned the Mayer song in a different post, just didn't want to repeat myself. Zayn was a feature on her song, but I think the original contract was with him? But he didn't get a writing credit.
It was actually Joe's decision. I see that many have explained why they want to keep things private. Pay attention to the song "Peace" which is on this album. It will give you some insights.
taylor used a pseudonym as well when she wrote a song and was sung by another artist, so the initial focus won't be on her. She's Nils Sjöberg
My favorite line is 'Stepping out the side door.' Because it adds a layer of how emotionally exhausting this relationship was. Leaving out a front door is like a big exit, like, 'we're going to have this huge fight that everyone's going to see, and then storm out.' The back door is more secretive and salacious, more of 'we had this secret affair and no one can know about it.' This is like this feeling of 'I don't feel like dealing with this, I've cried enough, and I'm done.' It's like that feeling that whatever closure is out there isn't worth crying in the bathroom over.
Finally... Was waiting for this for ages. It was worth the wait. Loved your reaction... 😍 😍 😍 😍
BTW in folklore are evermore Taylor isn't singing about her personal life. She said it in an interview that she needed to move away from the diaristic way of songwriting. Thus born these masterpieces...
These are stories and scenarios she made up...
Yay, one of my favorite songs! And finally you get the hear the whole Disney+ experience!
Yasssss bestieee 😭💖
I also love how you jam over the songs, it just sounds too good. There's been a point where I was like "man I wish this was in the song" lol
Exile is probably one of my favorite songs ever. the way the music & their voices wrap around you is stunning!
There are just a few songs on Folklore and Evermore that are about her personal life. On Folklore Invisible String and Peace are the most obvious ones. Invisible String is like a summery of their relationship from the beginning to now. I really like it. The lyrics are great. There are songs that have some personal influences as well like My Tears Riccochet but they are very subtile and can be interpreted as storys about fictional characters as well. I love the albums for that. They really show how much she's matured as a songwriter.
There is an interview with Taylor from Apple Music for her win as songwriter of the year were she explains a lot of the writing process of Folklore and Evermore. Maybe it would be interesting for you but you should wait until you listened to both albums because there are a lot of spoilers. There she said that she was afraid of writing about fictional characters because she thought fans and people wouldn't be interested in them. For me Evermore is even more fictional because of the immense success of Folklore and how positive the response was. She got more confidence through it.
She went through a lot of bad stuff after 1989 with the media and the public. She even disappeared for a year and thought about ending her career because of it. There's still negativity even if it's not to loud anymore. I think that's why she was expecting Bon to say no. Her documentary Miss Americana explains a lot of her past and we're she's coming from. Peace is also about that stuff. She's still afraid of loosing her relationship just because she is who she is. It's really sad if you think about it.
Listening to this one and the next one on headphones with the original recording is necessary. Love your reactions!
Yay!! So happy you're watching the Disney+ version now! Been watching for a while, but definitely going to check out the patreon now to watch your reaction to the other clips. I love watching/hearing your interpretation and thoughts on these songs! I hope evermore gets her turn soon haha! I would LOVE to see your reactions to those as well!!
Andrew, stop apologizing for having an opinion! If you said the sky is blur and grass in green... there will be people up in arms and offended by it!
I love your videos! I always learn something and I appreciate your perspective.
I think she said they did rehearsal the day before the actual shooting and I think they also shot on like robotic cameras on a wheel or something while she is directing
So happy to see that you are reacting to this ! This is a very good performance of this song, just love it! And the whole Long Pond Session is truly enjoyable. Thank you, you are brilliant .
also idk if this is gonna sound weird but i love how mature your reactions are. like when you talk about how jealousy is always a bad thing. that was great
Just found your channel and have been binging your Taylor videos, I really appreciate how thoughtful you are about her music even when it's not really your thing, I love watching other musicians discover how talented she is, she's this weird mix of hyper-successful but underrated, because so many think of her as a manufactured pop star. Like, of the three people in history to win three separate Album of the Year Grammy awards, she's the only one who people will suggest doesn't deserve that honor.
This is SO MUCH better with the explanations!!!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
Being that Joe Alwyn is a British actor, he may have wanted to use a pseudonym to keep that part of his life separate. I don't think this song has anything to do with their relationship.
I think he is just intent on building his brand as an actor --- he doesn't want the distraction of an actual musical career or touring. It also avoids any disparagement of the song itself for being written with "the boyfriend."
Off topic, but I am digging your hair today, dude. 10/10
Oh thank you
She was self conscious about not knowing if Justin would want to be on the song not only for what others commented, but she has shared her love for Joni Mitchell many times and there was a rumor that T was gonna play her in a biopic of her life many years ago I think during the 1989 era. Joni came out and said something like she was just a girl with high cheekbones and has never listened to her music before so she wished her good luck if T was gonna sing and play her (obviously not genuinely lol), so I think it really affected T. (I also think the biopic wasn't approved by Joni, so I do feel for her that someone would try that without her permission)
Bon iver and big red machine are her favorite artists with her boyfriend Joe, so I imagine it was nerve-wracking.
This song isn't about cheating though. It's about a couple who broke up; the girl moved on while the man hasn't. And yes when the song first came out and we found out it was Joe, everyone thought "are they okay???" but Taylor said they both just really love sad songs lol. And Joe has a literature degree... i might be generalising but as a literature student myself, we do get emotional and dramatic XD
She didn’t announce to the world that Joe was William Bowery at first because this was actually the first time she said his name publicly (and they have been dating for 5 years, lol). Imagine how private they are.
Thank you for this, Andrew! I just love this duet….hauntingly beautiful.
Greetings from the Caribbean... I love this song great reaction. I'm binge watching all of your Taylor content. Love your voice when you are serious. Come to St.Kitts/Nevis.
OMG YAY DISNEY+ VERSION!!! Just as I stopped by annoying commenting of it haha. But love that you're finally getting that insight, love hearing your thoughts!!!
yay i’ve been waiting for this !!
AAAA FINALLY!! thank you for this!!
Loved the video. Was waiting for it the whole week to be honest!
Great reactions all around! Really love this song :)
and yaaayy thanks so much for doing the disney+ version
Love your interpretations and love how much you enjoy doing this. I look forward to your videos everytime.
you should react to dancing with our hands tied acoustic at the reputation stadium tour!!!
Love the Grateful Dead in the beginning!
Yeah, love love love your Taylor reactions. I’m checking your Patreon for sure.
This is brilliant. Enjoyed thoroughly...
oh i'm so excited for this :D
Omg, I was just thinking when you were going to post your next video 🤩
Same bestieeee 😭💖
Seriously love your reactions! I’m always happy when your Tay videos pop up in my notifications :)
Glad you like them!
Loved it❤️❤️
Loving your reactions!! So excited for you to listen to illicit affairs I think you’ll love it 😁😁
Just got here 13 minutes after the video was published lol
I'm so happy that I found your channel... Hearing Ripple in the first 10 seconds of the first video I clicked on was the best thing to happen to me on UA-cam in a very long time 🙌🐢🖤
Heyy! I've been following your videos (yes mostly because of the Taylor content :P) but you do really an amazing job interpreting the lyrics and the themes... !! Its so cool to hear unbiased opinions about her music.
Also fun fact- My interpretation of the bridge where Justin and Taylor sing over each other is that it's probably meant to sound like a sad little argument between them going back and forth about what the other person didn't do and possibly why the relationship failed. So its like a very melodic fight happening right there. There maybe more explanations but I really like this one. Looking forward to more content (P.S my suggestion would be to check out her Country ballad on Evermore called No body, No crime ft Haim .... Theres a surprise at the end of the song ;) )
wow thanks for taking the suggestions and listening to the little in-between stuff and discussion about the songs, really appreciate it!
great reaction! you ever think about doing a full cover/your own version of any of her songs? could be fun but no pressure if you're not that interested :)
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this is such good quality footage! i didnt know iphones had such good resolution!
Your cover in the beginning was so good I loved it 🥺
+ I just noticed you're wearing Teddy Fresh omg!!! Im the biggest h3 fan (idk if you know the correlation). This is a small world
i thoroughly enjoy your videos and am always interested to hear how each song is interpreted depending on the person. iphone or not, you’re doing good at this! i’m stealing your line of “i’m a equal opportunity offender” and i thank you 🙏🏻
Nice job! Almost forgot to say it. 👍👍 So, some background details. Not spoilers, I think.
Taylor blew up so fast, so young, that she was always nervous the audience would move on to someone else. In some early interviews, she was quite public about being a worrier; she worries about everything (and she gets roasted for it several times on The Ellen show). But she has also collab'ed with some major artists (who then dated her---and broke up quite publicly). First was John Mayer (Half of My Heart was co-written; she sings on it); then Calvin Harris (her relationship was sooo public, and the song was being written specifically for Rihanna). She used a pseudonym for that song, so the reception of the song would be because of the music, not the tabloids. (The name is on one of the gravestones of the LWYMMD video, with all her past selves).
Joe Alwyn comes from a family with a public background: his father is a filmmaker, his great grandfather, William Alwyn, was a famous composer. The Bowery Hotel was the site of one of their first (dates? meetings?). Swifties glommed onto the name in seconds. Their obsession with details is frightening, in a way. (I don't do social media; I get it when it makes news).
I've read that his mother is a psychologist. Taylor likes him so much, because he is so "grounded." He came to her attention at a premiere of ‘Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk,’ and he's been busy acting non-stop since. He didn't particularly want a career in music (although he is trained in vocals for musicals on stage). You should also know, that Taylor herself likes acting, has dated Taylor Lautner Jake Gyllenhaal, and Tom Hiddleston; and her brother Austin is an actor and filmmaker. iow, she is mostly attracted to highly creative people in performing arts. Be fair--- who else does she meet?
When you listen to reputation album, there is a reference to his buzz-cut, and her bleached hair - it is that summer, 2016. A good year for tabloid drama, a bad year for Taylor -- it is also when Kanye re-kindled their public feud. She was trolled off the internet for awhile. Joe's brand of personal anonymity and privacy must have been like heaven to her at that point; and they both maintain it almost all the time. Her Reputation and Lover, while making satirical jabs at her detractors, are both just love songs for Joe.
::pushes up TS nerd glasses:: (credit to Chats and Reacts Bonnie and Emily) Exile (and an underlying theme of Folklore in general) is rumored to be about Scott Borchetta and her masters being sold, specifically the line about "leaving out the side door" she tried to buy her masters and leave the label quietly. Love is a universal language which Taylor uses to show how love and heartbreak metaphors can equate to different emotions and what it feels like to lose your entire life's work WOULD feel like the worst heartbreak in your life, IMO that is where she pulls the emotion for these songs even though she is happily squirreled away with Joe giggling over our crazier and crazier theories. ❤️
aaron dessner and justin vernon have a band together called “big red machine”. if you haven’t already, you should check out their new album, it’s incredible. it features two songs with taylor swift on it too
Please do this this is me trying
Because Joe Alwyn aka WIlliam Bowery is an actor...so it was really surprising to know that he's one of the creator of this masterpiece Exile :D
I think the reason behind the pseudonym was to provide a barrier between "actor Joe Alwyn" and "songwriter William Bowery". Taylor had done the pseudonym thing with her ex, Calvin Harris when she co-wrote "This Is What You Came For" as "Nils Sjöberg". She did this so people wouldn't see the couple as a marketing/public stunt which often happen to celebrity couples. But in an interview where Calvin was asked if he'd ever work with Taylor, he straight up said never, so that kinda pissed her off because he could've gone roundabout about it instead of lying. Ig that's why with Joe, she took this direction.
And idk how the money works for songwriter credits and whatnot but I do know that when Folklore won a Grammy, Joe definitely was credited. If you google "joe alwyn grammy", it'd say he has 1 grammy lmao
This version is nice, you might also just take a moment to listen to the studio version, too; they layered their vocals quite differently. At least 3 layers, and not together so much until the end. Don't interrupt your flow, that is just something you might listen to later for contrast. FWIW, too, Taylor directed the film, so likely there is some editing. She couldn't bring the cats to NY. 🙄 But she didn't use auto-tune much in the past except for (really really obvious) effect on just a few songs.
One thing, the media likes to tear Taylor down, in the past years. They always criticized her on whoever she's dated. So now she's keeping her relationship really really private. Not one official photo together, not mentioning Joe's name in public ( this is the first time) in some interview she just refer him as 'he' 'my boyfriend'
And I think this is working really well for them.
There has been many speculations about William Bowery from the detectives( swifties) haha.
Swifties are really really good at decoding stuff so I think taylor had no choice but to admit it.
Shes been heavily criticized before and wants to prove herself. After her second Album' Fearless' (most awarded country album till now) came out she was still very young. Critics have always doubted that she writes her own songs. So she took this as a challenge and wrote 'speak now' album on her own entirely. BUT then years later she transitioned to POP and became super successful but also Most snobs now ovelooked her songs because 'too poppy' 'too popular' but they dont even listen to the NON -SINGLES which are Gems really. She's always been this good as a songwriter , people just dont give her a chance. :)
Loving the videos :)
Please react to Roll the Bones by Shakey Graves Audiotree version!
This is all storytelling.
MORE TAYLOR!!!!
I’m sure there were multiple reasons for Joe using a pen name but my guess is that since Joe is an actor, they wanted to keep his acting career and music career separate. There’s already the difficulty that when you google Joe Alwyn, lots of stuff about Taylor comes up, so if they used his name directly on a Taylor Swift album (that went on to win AOTY), then stuff about his music career would further drown out everything about his acting career. (Plus it was a fun little mystery to keep the Swifties occupied lol)
I really think there wouldn't be many people rejecting a duet with Taylor, but at the time, Bon Iver's fans were saying so many mean things about their collab, what if the artist is just as arrogant as their fans? You never know.
Ikr. Some of the fans had and still have the worst things to say. One even want as far to say that Justin will end up regretting his involvement with her music. Others refuse to listen to the songs. Others claim she just “used” Justin “like she has her entire career using other people’s talent to climb the ladder”. Other people hate the BRM songs she is and they skip over them. Some are convinced she didn’t write the lyrics, bring up 15-yr old questions that were answered long ago. But now, I see these Bon Iver fans questioning it. And are convinced that Aaron co-wrote the some lyrics so obviously the songs are about him. Sad song …. Must be about Aaron. it’s really sad.
@@Starbuck-dr7yl Why are people being like that?
@@jessicawhittemoore7829 I don’t know. It must be so disheartening to work so hard, writing songs and tying to get a record deal, convincing people you are a songwriter, continuing to work harder than anyone else in the business and have it pay off, and finally be at a place in your personal and professional life where it all just seems to come together perfectly, but a lot of fandom wants nothing to do with her, it has to be so hurtful.
13:21 no hate, just wanna question this part cause for me, i dont think there shouldnt be any flirtatious exchange happening between your partner and someone else. i mean i get that there are joking way of "flirts" im aware of that but when its just flirtatious exchange i dont think thats right. itll defo question your loyalty there. like what happened to me. i was confronting my ex about these flirty exchange she had on her commment and messages with this person and she always say im overthinking and only stirring things up but when we woke up 2 weeks later (no kidding, no exaggeration!) they started dating so like am i really wrong ? and just like what olivia wrote on her song (which i feel like she wrote it just for me lmao) "It took you two weeks
To go off and date her Guess you didn't cheat But you're still a traitor"
I think she revealed her bf's pseudonym because we all figured it out already lol. She has used them in the past for herself, so if a musician on the liner notes isn't Google-able...
Folklore and evermore are mainly not about her. As some comments below state.
Invisible string and Peace, the Lakes. Of course the Last Great American Dynasty isn’t about her but the people who lived in her house. Epiphany verse 1 is about her Grandfather in WWII. Probably any Tears Ricochet is about her record label, but she hasn’t said that, but it is the consensus.
Evermore: happiness isn’t about her but is about her Best friend who went through a divorce, Coney Island and long story short are very personal, Marjorie is a tribute to her grandmother who was an opera singer, Closure is most likely about her label but some people think it’s about Kanye West but I don’t know, but definitely evermore (song) is very personal.
She didn't include Joe real name cause she wants people to focus on ablum and her work when she released it.
dont practice break up songs because you might just get too good at it
Please let us know the watershed moment when you can't resist anymore, when you are no longer ashamed and have become a Taylor Swift fan. Otherwise just go ahead keep up this fancy charade or just come out with a video that explains why you can't cross that line.