STOP Disrespecting Kobe Bryant!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A breakdown of why Kobe Bryant is still a superior scorer to James Harden.
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How many points would Kobe average in 2020, and how many points would Harden average in 06?
Don´t make me laugh comparing Harden with Kobe, Harden is and always will be a loser, time will tell :) and obviously much much less gifted.
+40 easily
Im logical NBA fan!
Kobe would have a field day getting to the rim in todays game and I think would maybe take on a game like Luka’s which is kinda similar to Harden because Harden didn’t always play how he does he adapted to analytics and the era he was playing in. To answer the question I think they would be equal in different eras
Kobe would average 40+ easy if we're talking about 06 07 Kobe. Pace of the league today is 100.8. average team takes 33 threes. And Harden would play in a league where the pace was 90.5 with about 15 threes taking by teams. Harden averaged 25ppg with the pace around 93 in 13 and 14..with 6.2 attempts at 3 vs 14 attempts this season. at worst he would average 22. Realistically around 25-28.. and a good season.. over 30 but definitely under 35
Imagine if Kobe's focus is just on the offensive end
He Becomes A 2k Myplayer Averaging 50 Points Per Game
Berkz Gordz Did You Not Understand The Comment
Then he would avg 50 ppg
He averages 40-50 every season lol
Great point
It's like this, Kobe would still have been elite if he wasn't a scorer.
Yes, but nobody is saying Harden is a better player, just a better scorer.
@@acpliego that's the same thing lol I pick Kobe over anybody today
Kobe would have been a better player if he understoon that he had to pass Shaq more often.
@@Gozne but didn't average 4 assists per game and also was the top assist of his position gtfo
Daniel Ruiz fr
Kobe is the most skilled NBA player ever.. C.BILLUPS
Not just Billups...
Paul pierce, Tmac, Kevin garnett, and Jalen rose all agreed...
No greater endorsement than when your contemporaries/peers/adversaries all reach a consensus...
I repeat 'Mamba is the most skilled baller ever'.
@@Northkalman Well said you are not a bias fan
@@Northkalman and from a competitive nature bested only by Michael Jordan's...
Lmao no he is top 5 skills wise production and efficiency is something totally different.
Facts 💯,we need to see more of this ,Kobe is the 🐐 in my eyes
Ramir Jones than you need to adjust your vision.
Tough to say but, I can say this, there’s only 1 other player that he can be compared to and that’s Micheal Jordan, if I had to pick a 🐐 I’d have to flip a coin between Kobe And MJ. And to add a bit, Kobe is the only player ever that had the work ethic that Jordan did. RIP Kobe.
Ramir speak that truth bro. Most of these guys today only play on 1 end of the court. Kobe even told jordan remember who you talking to. The man was unafraid of anyone on the hardwood asphalt dirt court. NBA'S FINEST KOBE BLACK MAMBA BRYANT
@@jaywilliams1291 great sentiment but not even jordan had Kobe's work ethic. Hands down the hardest working player to ever play. He literally outworked his talent.
RIP Kobe Bryant ❤️
Rip Kobe Bryant my favorite basketball player ever my idol rip Gigi and the others mamba forever 💜💛❤️🐍
Prime Kobe would drop 40-42 PPG today, depending on whether he was on a good or bad team.
Harden would average about 23 points a game in Kobe's era and Kobe welp...
Wilt's 50ppg season: Why do I hear boss music?
Combine Kobe’s first half explosion against Wizards MJ with 42 and the 81-point game’s 55 in the second half to get a sum of 97 points. Granted, pace and rhythm of the game along with fatigue are a factor but it’s something fun to ponder about if he were to go full bonanzas over the full course of 48 minutes.
And you know if Kobe got all the way to 97, he would have found a way to get 3 more.
Agreed, but knowing Kobe he’d muster enough to get 101. 😂
@@elreiec1 gotta beat that Chamberlain dude
Kobe is definitely the most skilled player in NBA history.
Given that the average rate of scoring has gone up 10%, I'd say add about 3 PPG to Kobe's numbers which breaks down to:
2020 Kobe: 38-39 PPG
2006 Harden: 34-35 PPG
Kobe no Doubt Rest easy Mamba
Man, I really miss Kobe.
James Harden hasn't been to a finals by himself, end of debate
Lol NO BODY has lol
Phenom Facemob on god 🤣
@@Juann2tuff lol..ppl say some dumb ass shit..... Welcome to the finals this year match up KOBE vs the BULLS
@@phenomfacemob1011 Skip Bayless literally said Jordan would beat an entire team by himself. No teammates. 🤦♂️
@@jonathontorres948 yea its some truth to that
Kobe would avrage 42 points a game in todays nba and harden would avrage 14 points because the game was more phisical back then
Like if you are sad about kobe's death
This is exactly how these so called analysts on TV should be breaking down the game of basketball. They never provide any context it’s all just personal opinions and agendas trying to get pushed. Not to mention Kobe did all of this while being one of the best defensive players in the league as well.
Not to mention kobe actually had to GET through defense
the level of Kobe disrespect is unreal
Tenacious Zen I hate Kobe, but god he was an animal, also he was a defensive machine when he played too, this comparison is ridiculous
no he didn't. according to Jordan fans the NBA got soft as soon as Jordan retired in 02. well 3 yrs later in 05 they started saying the league was soft and there was no hand checking and no defense. everything you hear about the lebron era being weak, Jordan fans were already saying it about the Kobe era.
KoachKrab127 yeah it did start trending down around that time but when the hand checking rule went into effect it’s been a free fall every since lol
LOL So True!
Don't ever take this down.......
They hated him so bad like he didn't exist or play two decades.
He always be my 🐐 & Og 💙💪🏽
Yeah..they instantly forgot how great kobe was..coming out of high school with such intensity in the court..being the youngest player ever played in all star game while being match up with mj and being the youngest player ever played in nba history..won the 1997 slam dunk competition at the age of 18..2nd to wilt in highest score in nba history which is 81 points..I mean you can't just ignore and disrespect kobe for that kind of debate..we all know that James Harden doesn't care about the championship like Kobe was..back in the day, the standard of greatness is how many championship can you get for your team..now, the individual stats is more important than the championship..this era is too soft, players don't know how to play defense that's why they can easily put a good stats..
Faxx he better than Brom
They killed kobe
Bryant played in three decades of basketball.
@@davidford4475 he not objectively better than bron.
Imagine Kobe didn't play defense and conserved all his energy for offense
80 points all day then
that would be imposible...can you imagine Kobe just waiting for the ball....no way!!
It would be disrespectful to himself
YOU ARE MAKING A OFFENSIVE GOD BOY, CALM DOWN
Yep. Agreed. He did this putting it out in both ends, like MJ.
That’s why I don’t give Trey Young any respect either. He’s out there just to jack 3’s
Kobe made 9 1st defensive teams while Harden made 0
That just shows he did it ALL 💯
12 all defensive 1st team
@@dheejpabilan3723 9 1st DT,3 2nd DT
♠️♠️♠️...playin D and then come down on “O”,give you 40+. Harden don’t play no D
Too bad this video is about scoring no?
They dont talk about kobes defense. All they remember was his missed shots and how many field goals he atempted
Imagine if Kobe flopped every three shoot and made half of his points at the line👀
James Prado LMFBO, #Blackmamba
James Prado at that time it won’t be foul because they didn’t have a rule where you can jump in the shooters space
Kobe and "flopping" in the same sentence... 😂😂😂😂 (like Spiderman's boss said)
😁🤣😂🤣 absolute fact
Remember Kobe went against defensive teams consistently in the 2000-2010 decade. Prime duncan with his Spurs. Prime Dwight Howard with Magic. Prime Dirk with Mavs. The first Super Team in the Celtics. Hard competition.
Jeff Dumasal Wilt played against the first super team Celtics. Kobe played against the 3rd or 4th super team Celtics.
@@g.holland4862 Wilt played vs plumbers
@@allanhouston6759 wilt played against 9 hall of famers with the great Bill Russel who has 11 championships and the celtics hold the unbroken record of 8-0 playoff streak Goldenstate Goldenstate state warriors 73-9 record is overrated compared to that because most people werent watching television when that record was recorded in NBA stats and Bill russell is sort of disrespected by goat talk and media.
Scottie Pippen. Bruce Bowen. Tony Allen. Ron Artest. Tayshaun Prince. Raja Bell. Shawn Marion. Andrei Kirilenko. Ruben Patterson. Dwayne Wade. LeBron James. Matt Barnes. Mickael Pietrus. Kevin Garnett. Tim Duncan. Ben Wallace. Rasheed Wallace. Some of the toughest defenders ever.
@@thsu8 RODMAN, Gary Payton, Dwight Howard, Dikembe Mutombo, Alonzo Mourning,
Sidney Moncrief, JORDAN, Alvin Roberston, Mookie Blaylock, P.J. Brown, Paul Pressey,
Joe Dumars, Kawhi Leonard.
Kobe can't be guarded. James Harden can't be officiated. There's a difference.
Ha
I like that
James harden needs 50 shots to score like 12 points then gets the rest by flopping he so overrated
Bad distinction. Harden can't be guarded either. Kobe is the more versatile scorer by far, which is enough.
Dude wtf are you talking about why is Harden the only player in the nba who demands and gets double teams.i don't see lebum getting double or kawhi or Durant
Everybody wanted to be like Mike, but when somebody actually did it on the highest level of basketball we hated him. Humans are so jealous lol
Well said
So true
You haven’t told a lie yet, please continue
EXACTLY 💯 😂 MAD IT WASN'T THEM LOL
ronnie price lol
imagine kobe in this era while being allowed to take 6 steps. he'd average 50
STOP 😂
@@onigiri2341 it's true
f that, he'd be averaging 81 ppg
@@ncm2738 He averaged 81 ppg for a game once so its not a stretch
@@zacharypeterson4178 ??? Im saying that he would.
Kobe’s best season average in points was 35.4 per game. During this time, teams were scoring an average of 97.0 points per game. Meaning that Kobe was scoring 36.49% of a teams average points per game.
Take that 36.49% and multiply it by the average team points per game of 110.4 and you would get 40.28 points per game by Kobe in today’s game.
Would ya look at that.
Take A Walk With Me
That was a great analysis!
Kobe takes more shots than Harden to average less points. No matter the pace, a player can only take certain amount of shot to maintain efficiency. Kobe would have to take 29 shots per game in order to score what Harden score this year. The calculation of converting PPG by percent of team PPG is really hilarious.
Gedi Zhou Didn’t even mention harden, so you can get his balls out of your mouth.
Since you brought him up, it’s easier to get more points on less shots when you average 12 free throws a game.
@@codyk8758 Kobe shot 10.2 FTA when he averaged 35.4, Harden had 11 when he average 36.1. The difference in FTA is really small.
@@gedizhou4775 but the difference in the rules back then was really big the rules today made offense easier because easier offense means more highlights and that's better for the nba's popularity.
Kobe put up points while also playing defence
Exactly, it's almost as if basketball doesn't have a second end these days lol.
Reality Kobe is a better perimeter defender due to athlete ability Harden is a better low post defender because of built. And Harden has been plying elite defense last two season as well as when he was in OKC.
BTW Kobe as any scored was not asked to guard the other team beast player all the time is a myth even Jordan was not asked to do it that what Pipen was for. You don't risk you best player fouling out even if they capable of being an elite defender.
neirad537 stop it, Kobe has defensive accolades, harden has none. Kobe has like 12 all defensive teams, most ever by any guard. Harden has none.
Stop acting like Kobe and harden are even in the same ball park defensively. Of course it’s easy for harden to explode offensively when he plays zero defence.
@@LegendInThaMakin yup
@@neirad537 yup ur not even close to it bruh. 9 1st defense selctions and 3 2nd team defense. Name a.player this decade who can score and defend at the same time. Come on i'll wait
RIP to a legend 🙏
As long as Harden plays the way he plays, he will never win a ring. Kobe did it all
Yeah yeah and look what happened when Shaq left
Harden is better SCORER not player
Johnny Boy he got 2
more rings after shaq left so what you mean🤔
@@Marcus-XXL only 2. He won 3 with shaq
Marc Cooloot and he still hasn’t got a single ring or won a critical playoff game
Marc Cooloot
Only two? Do you realize how many players don’t get 2 rings. Plus Harden has ZERO!
Kobe’s never been in an offense where he just holds the ball. No matter how much you wanna call him a ball hog. The rockets are literally just stand by and watch harden dribble. Reason they’ll never win a championship like that
Not to the level that harden does
Gr8 1 because it’s well known that Dantoni is sort of incompetent and he couldn’t get the team firing on all cylinders
A LITTLE Finesse he sucks as a coach no doubt. But to claim Kobe didn’t have free reign over an offense is false. Especially since they played for the same coach for a time.
@ Incorrect my friend when Kobe played for Dantoni he had the ball in his hands a lot because he was pretty much their point guard it was not to score. And after some time he got sick of him and did everything his way so the team would get in the playoff. People call Kobe a ball hog and what not but he likes to play in a offense he doesn't call for the ball tell the shot clock is down unlike most people who dribble out the clock then pass he is the opposite.
It’s funny how Kobe was known as a ball hog but Harden isn’t
I’m a Jordan guy but I was upset to hear all the talking heads ranking him so low and questioning his skills. Shaw always makes it clear Kobe was the guy.
Kobe> . Even KD’s a better scorer than Harden he just doesn’t care about scoring
Exactly what I said to my friends but they laughed.
KD's more efficicient
He’s not classified as a scorer because of his mentality to score, but yeah if he wanted to be. He would be better than James.
Facts. I commented the same before I read yours.
I think so, too. Harden is so boring. KD is a little better.
This is the most unbiased thing I’ve heard in a while... Kobe is underrated still!
Simeon McCloud underrated? Dude is overrated. He’s the most overrated all time great player ever.
Simeon McCloud Kobe get so disrespected by analyst and even some former players, but it ain't no comparison, period
@ tf, tell me exactly how that is?
@ 5 rings say otherwise
I’m sayin the same thing Simeon
Kobe is a way better scorer than Harden. These "analysts" have short term memory
Kobe was a VERY poor percentage shooter - he DID NOT EVEN MEET LEAGUE AVERAGE for most of his years in the league.
How does that make him a superior scorer?
Brice Fleckenstein
I simplify it for u but if u want to actually realize why go watch Rusty Buckets Video, Kobe was more clutch, played D and had to get through D and 3 way scorer
@@bricefleckenstein9666 You know Harden has shot 41% from the field in the playoffs right? You know that he has never shot even 45 percent in the playoffs as the starter on his team right?
I'm not even sure if you know what the league average was from the field when Kobe played basketball. Matter fact league average wouldn't even a stat you could compare Kobe with because if the average player in the league were to take the amount of shots Kobe took they wouldn't have shot even close to "league average"
Defense is so lack luster nowadays. Percentages should be up. You can't even be around the player while they're shooting. Most players now pretend to have contact (aka harden) so most people don't even want to guard him. So he's free to push off and shoot threes all day or get to the basket. This video is all facts and I'm glad it's up. Harden can shoot and has talent of course but I can't stand the throwing your arms into your defender and flopping all the time in today's game. Then call that a "talent for drawing fouls". At Kobe's prime in today's game and he gets to launch as many threes? Not even close.
Brice Fleckenstein your a dumb ass they don’t even play defense no more Kobe took less three then harden and still scored all those points with out going to the free throw line like harden
RIP Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gigi and everyone else on the helicopter Kobe Bean Bryant we love you.
Amen brother
I wonder how many points Harden would score if he wasn’t allowed to travel up and down the court? And flop at every touch?
He would average 8 turnovers
And take away his free throws
You mean the same way Kobe was allowed to?
@@merlball8520 Kobe earned his, you chump. Go back and watch the games. He created contact and usually made the basket plus his free throw.
Harden falls by himself while on the court by himself and he gets free throws plus if he ever does create real contact and shoots the ball he usually misses the basket. They are not the same.
@@merlball8520 nope try again
Kobe outscored the whole
Mavericks team in three quarters
Harden isn’t a better player period
scorer.
therealestmc85 👈🏽 new nigga
Kobe Bryant played defense... So, he is overall a better player. lol😂
Uptowngunna From da b he shot like 60 shots and made 25 on them
Amirthatgoat30 All w no ls hey man if you fall get back up no matter how many times it takes
Everyone is going to be sheeding a tear every time they say "Kobe" when shooting a paper ball in a trash can✊🏀😢 R.I.P
The Sevilla Show Everyone what a trip we were all replying about Kobe before
Yep
Wordless...
@Nikhil Bharadwaj ...
blah blah blah stfu idol worshiper
Just like Shaq said at 0:19
“All day, every day”
No. 24 like for his number
Kolby got that over ever body.
It's really not even close. I laugh when I think of Harden winning 5 championships
Shaq plays like a man and gets fouled coz no one can stop him, but harden is like a soft baby girl, a soft touch and he goes down, just to get a faul. So he ain't like a shaq
Guys imagine instead of Kobe and shaq it would be Kobe and Anthony Davis.Then Lebron and Anthony Davis would switch to Lebron and shaq now these players are going to be in their prime playing which each other.Anyways, which duo would be scarier and cause more havoc?
I just wanna know why they be disrespecting Kobe like that. biggest fan but and I damn sure remember him going off. Geeesh! I mean they had two or three guys on him at all times.
You think Bird and Jordan DIDN'T?
Also keep in mind that Kobe played long after the "Flagrant Foul" rule grew some teeth - which was almost at the END of Bird's career and near the middle of Jordans.
Kobe NEVER saw actual tough defense.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Are you kidding ofcorse Kobe saw tough defense. There weren't many great shooters to space the floor and teams were allowed to play zone defense. Which was called illegal defense in Birds and Jordans era
@@Kizamusic The defenses of Kobe's era had no hand checking worthy of mention.
They had no PHYSICAL defense - compare what Kobe faced to what BIRD faced, especially vs the Bad Boys Detroit teams.
Kobe saw SQUAT for TOUGH defenses.
1991 - the year the Flagrant Foul grew TEETH and ALL defenses got a lot softer as a result.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 You don't know basketball
Brice Fleckenstein stop making it seem like players gave flagrant fouls type fouls every single play. It was a rarity players got it that hard. Ticky tack fouls were still a thing back then and players didn’t hand check every single play so stop it. In every era there were bad defensive team and players. If Kobe played back then he would’ve still averaged 30.
Look at this shit the Hawks aren’t hand checking or trying to make contact with Bird any of these plays. Where’s the PHYSICAL play? Y’all old heads kill me when ya try to make it seem like playing in the 80’s was like play rugby or football.
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Harden is an elite player no doubt, but I'm going to side with Kobe.
Well said
I don’t understand why people keep hating on others player. They’re both great players
Even though I don’t like Harden but I not hate him. His signature steps back 3s is just beautiful to watch. Like Kobe fade away and his foot-work is just an art
No he's not, he's not elite I'm any sense of the word. This is terrible basketball, it's the worst basketball in the history of the sport
@@hoathuan4720 it's travel dude. Don't learn the game of basketball from this crap league
Armando De Los Santos than stop watching this era if you don’t like it Simple.Go watch some films from back then.
Harden is an elite shooter - but not an overall elite player, given his poor defense.
Same with Stephan Curry.
Is Harden even a better scorer than Steph? KD outscored him on greater efficiency in the playoffs.
Leave Kobe out
@ Dead on..KD is virtually unstoppable with his size the ability to shoot and drive. Plus he's very efficient. So like my man said leave Kobe out of the conversation because Harden is not even a better scorer than KD.
rodee 02 I think KD is a better scorer than Harden and Kobe tbh.
Bleezy Show James Harden is great in his era, he knows how to take advantage of the rules of his era and he works on his craft during the off-season and puts the time in when weight training, i do remember the entire Rockets team and fanbase making every Excuses in the playoffs when they lost to our Warriors and Spurs in the 2015 Westernconference finals 4-1, 2016 Westernconference 2nd round 4-1, 2017 Westernconference 2nd round semifinals 4-2, 2018 Westernconference finals 4-3, 2019 Westernconference semifinals 4-2, and now Harden is being mention in a conversation wit Kevin Durant and Steph Curry, and the great iconic legendary Kobe Bryant, Style of play on offense and giving effort and competing on Defense and the overall presence and impact a player has on a NBA court during a NBA game is what separates Kobe Beanin #Blackmamba Bryant, Steph, KD from the #fearthebeard James Harden character, it's LMFBO mentioning his name wit those 3 names
Kobe's disrespect MUST end.
He's WAY better than Harden.
Not way better, but better
@@SugaFree2387 I'll take any kind of better. As long as Kobe's better.... & he is: athletically, & skill-wise. I mean the guy got drafted straight out of high school, & went toe to toe with Michael Jordan!
I hope I don't come across as rude/aggressive.
I'm a just a die hard Kobe fan.
SugaFree he is way better LMAOOO dumb ass
@@omen9431 Stick to golf virgin
Aaron Aranjo u do know kobe has the most miss shots in NBA history
I don’t hear anyone saying “harden” when they shoot their garbage as a basket so case close Kobe the GOAT
Jose Molina 😂😂😂😂 harden will end up averaging over 28 points per game while Kobe at 25
moe Harden
Kobe was a 3 level scorer, had to actually get through D in order to score, was clutch which James Harden is not
moe Harden
Simplified version for u
moe Harden
Rusty Buckets also made a great video after ur done watching this one
E B Kobe clutch??🤣🤣🤣 7-28 is clutch ok
James Harden will also achieve what Kobe never could: Winning 0 Ring😎 R.I.P Mamba!
RIP but Harden is better.
Dj Dodi na dog
@@QankoIvanov lol
@@QankoIvanov you are those people who say that westbrook is better than Curry haha.
@@DonLee1980 Nah he aint coming from a houston fan
With the amount of defense Kobe played, that cut into his scoring too.
Preach brother. 12 all defense titles to hardens 0. And let us not forget that Kobe ACTUALLY had to go through people playing defense to score
I'm saying tho! People forget he had 9 first teams All Defense....Harden will never get close to winning 1 lol
Bro I give you the award fir the best comment on a basketball video. This is ultimately the difference maker because Kobe was an amazing defender. Everybody knows a two way player wastes more energy, no wonder Harden scores like this.
@@eavontae5995 I see your point but Harden either shoots from 3 which means 1 defender on him or he drives in and tries to get a foul by throwing himself into people. Still a great scorer but that's what I see him do a lot of.
EA Vontae and? Third all time in scoring, 5th in playoffs. He was a bit more efficient than harden. If he plays the years kobe did or atleast 2 or 3 years less he will pass kobe on misses. Needless to say, the man here commented of their defense. And harden will never come close neither lebron. 12 defensive teams overall second all time. 9 in the first team which is tied for most all time. Never disrespect kobe with a harden comparison ever again
You didn’t mention that Kobe was a true 2way player harden does nothing on the defensive end
Kobe ave 40+ at his prime in today’s league
Harden wouldn’t ave 20 back when teams played better D
harden FLOPS every chance he gets so he wouldn’t be getting half the free throws
Ok I am in no way trying to say that Harden is a better defender than Kobe there's no argument there. But saying Harden does nothing on the defensive end just tells me you haven't watched a Rockets game since 2017 when you could actually say that. In the past two seasons he has proven to be a great post defender, slowing down guys 5 inches taller than him, being the only player back on double team fast breaks and help carry the defensive load for clint and tyson. Being top five in steals last year and finishing on the 80% percentile when it comes to defense. You simply can't say this anymore, he has worked on his game and it is better
I have and I saw the frustration on Chris Paul’s face your right nothing is harsh but he can’t be compared to Kobe when it comes to defenders
Shiiit when I shoot at the park I still say Kobe when I'm feeling confident lol
You're not the only one . "Kobe!" 📣
I'm one of those "Logical NBA fans"😂😂😂
The diff is when harden shot not falling he is a non factor
Well this isn't true see how if his shot isn't falling he gets to the free throw line
Alberto Carreon sometimes that doesn’t work you see what happens in the playoffs every time he gets sent home 😂
Kobe had a mid post and low post game that he would rely on when his shots weren't falling and could score in a multitude of ways.
Talk to me when he start winning some chips, they have the team they wanted, golden state is out of the way, no more excuses
You are one of those guys who think championship = how good the player was. Then I guess Barkley really sucked as a player hahahahaha.
@Minimal Interest I'm a Houston fan and you're right. I actually stopped watching this year because of Harden and China.
@Minimal Interest OR40 doesn't Realize if Barkley was in the league today, Oh you'd best bet he'd have a Chip or two by now, if he was in the league as long as Harden's been in it.....
@@cwvos unfortunately, Barley and many players shared their primes with Jordan, they're just unlucky to compete in the same era with LE GOAT
@@cwvos another idiot. read his comment again.
Harden is amazing, but clearly a product of his time. He knocks down layups, open 3's, and free throws. Kobe knocks down buckets period.
Facts
So one is efficient the other is not. Harden have a great mid range and a great post game due to his bulk, but chose not to do it because is not efficient.
Also harden is a better and more willing driver that likes contact, Kobe lived in the a mid range pump fakes and post turnaround jumpers. That's why his efficiency was bad.
Harden has a deadly midrange game, but he just doesn’t use it nearly as much due to the impact of Morey and D’antoni.
harden literally shot mid ranges and put up 27 a game
@Michael Tamares harden 1000% can post up lol he just dont anymore .. the man is 6'5 230 he could bully guards.
blame dantoni and morey, and kobe didnt have to play the warriors lol
KOBE 4 EVER!!
R.I.P
I just have this strong feeling, that a lot of these people didn't like Kobe, and now that he's retired, they can finally say what they want
sickandloose facts
I’ll go as far as saying maybe they weren’t around when Kobe was at his best.
@@nedbass1 they know, but it's been stated that a lot of people in the media didn't like his attitude...I'm not sure how true that is though
You’re right. They’re easily influenced by the media. They can reason for themselves. How can anyone actually believe Harden is better than Kobe in any aspect? That’s absurd.
Well I hate Lebron until he became a Laker LOL
Why is this even a debate .. harden trash in the playoffs
Facts Absolute garbage
lol Harden last season playoffs average was 31.6
@@Heroqudah yeah and still managed to get smoked by a injury riddled KD-less Warriors team in 6 games. Just face the facts he's overrated
@@americanfresh17 exactly even if the warriors were put out by Portland , the rockets would lose to them 😂😂😂
Exactly
Honestly it’s easy to end this debate. The defense that kobe had to go against was way different then today’s game. Nobody plays defense these days.
@Salvador Luna they have consistently (over the decades) INTENTIONALLY made rules in favor of offense. They want the offense to be main stage. Defense isn't as pleasing to the eye to these kronies.
Players are scared to play defense they dont want to get fouls
@Salvador Luna about the defense, I agree. Today's players are better defenders because they had to learn how to defend without fouling. They have to time their blocks, read their opponents. Take a modern great defender and put him in the 80s, and he'd be going like... wow I can do this now too? That's easy. Take a defender from the 80s and put him in today's game and he'd play just be in constant foul trouble.
@@jamesdjl4359 if you haven't noticed, there have been more offensive fouls called this year's playoffs than any other year I can recall. They are calling it both ways, so it's not just for the benefit of offense.
@Salvador Luna Well you're wrong on many things there. You assume it was harder to score back then because defence was more effective. When in fact the avg team scored 109 pts per game in the 80s, and today the avg team scores 111pts. Nearly identical number of points despite today's game has literally over 10x as many 3's as they did in the 80s. avg team makes 12x3's per game today. They made ~1 per game in the 80s.
In fact the field goal percent was HIGHER in the 80s. 48-49 FG%.
While the highest FG% ever in the last 10 years is just 46.1%.
Defense today is played by having quicker feet, reading plays ahead of time, getting around screens, switching, picking off passes, forcing turnovers, knowing when to double team, knowing when to help, knowing who you can give more room, knowing who you can't' give more room.
It's not that great players of the past didn't do that. They did. But there were also lots of "great" defenders who just camped out in the paint and relied on their size, but would be completely unplayable in today's game.
This video is EXTREMELY NECESSARY. Thank you. They've been disrespecting and ignoring Kobe's greatness for years now. And after todays ESPN rankings this is even more relevant
No point man these nephews won't listen. It's embarrassing that people actually think Harden is better than Kobe.
Yeap. And when you list down all these things they would deny them and ask you to bring "true facts/stats" or whatever the hell that's supposed to be. Prime Kobe would drop 60 on Prime Harden while limiting Harden to 20 points MAX, PERIOD.
@@andycarollsuarez probably at least 30 with free throws and all. But I agree that harden wouldn't be able to hold him to less than 40
@@hassanjacobs7506 If Kobe is playing at his prime now, he'll get the superstar treatment Harden gets. So Kobe will be the one getting all the free throws, and it would be crazy cause he makes his shots while getting fouled too. Against other superstars Harden won't get that many calls favoring him.
@@andycarollsuarez kobe wouldn't get fouled as much imo. Harden looks for a foul at every possession. Kobe looks to score at every possession. Kobe would get some sure but I believe that harden would have more
@@hassanjacobs7506 Kobe would take his soul. Kobe in his prime was all nba defensive team
MJ or Kobe would average 40 without even blinking in today's NBA.
Jaime Sacristán Rivas you forgot to add “and Im exaggerating” lol . I hope u are not on drugs dude
OG IT lol idont believe in ur argument dude players today are more skilled faster and athletic.
OG IT there’s no such thing as tougher era this guys are pro players all of them are skilled enough to win only the toughest will stand
Kyle Panganiban ur talking out of ur ass at this point
Hypnotik fuck u too
Imagine if Kobe could travel to get his shot off and flopped every time he was touched.
😂😂😂 right!
He'll avg 50 easily
I think people take that as a slight against Jordan and wont deal with it. But IMO Jordan had more physical tools than Kobe, more athleticism overall. It's close, but people forget about Kobe's footwork. And he didn't have to travel to make his moves like Harden does and Lebron has. (I enjoy lebron, but we know he has travelled quite a bit.)
@@notatrollll a young Jordan in his prime was not as athletic as Kobe. I never see or hear anyine aay Kobe was even one of the best in game dunkers but he was. People loved to hate Kobe that is why he was never really given his props while playing. Just looking at the 2 MVP selections of Nash and Dirk actually both of Nash's Mvp's should have gone to Kobe. The man carried the league and was the better player for the first decade in the 2000's
And conserved his energy by not playing defense. Kobe would easily get 42 a game.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. I’m so sick of the Harden Hype. He could never be the scorer that Kobe was.
You know whos the better shooter is that when you go to the gym you yell "KOBE" when taking a shot! Anyone here yell harden? Yeah thats what i thought
People yell "Kobe!" because he was a jackass that would throw it up at the end of games from just about anywhere no matter how tightly he was guarded. His wild shots are where "Kobe!" came from. And he missed 75% of those shots.
@@merlball8520 the only jackass in here is you. Who roots for a guy who needs to have 2 All Stars in the weak G - league EAST to get a chip. Kobe got all his chips with just 1 All Star at his side in a stacked Western Conference. Oh did I mention he still managed to get 2 more chips then your weak ass favorite player with less help in a harder conference and era.
Edwin Hernandez facts
Hahahahahah 👌🏽
Edwin Hernandez he had a stacked laker team, the winningest coach ever, and the most dominant player since wilt. He never won a finals mvp while Shaq was there. Why was that?
Switch Kobe to the Rockets, they'd have championships with Hardens past rosters....
Gr8 1 true Kobe does need a post presence traditionally and I think capelas mindset would mesh with Kobe
Gr8 1 nah bruh james had a cp3 who went down but a team full of shooters. Kobe dont lose to the same team multiple times ( other than the spurs and phoniex when he had no one) in the playoffs he wouldve got over the hump atleast once. Especially if he got help and i think capela would be fine
Facts💯
Kobe >>> James "The flop God" Harden.
Agent_WestCoast A flop god lol
i respect you my brother kobe’s top 2 of all time most skilled ever and one of the best scorers ever he would average 40-45 in today’s nba
@ so u aren't allowed to learn moves? I don't get it😂
Puipuia Asl Ralte bronsexuals just talking out their ass
Puipuia Asl Ralte they act like learning more moves makes you less of a player it’s called skill & Kobe is the most skilled player ever MJ & Bron are right behind him
@@Youinnerstandme Yep. MJ was one of a kind, but Kobe forced himself to be like him but with a different legacy. Thats not something you can simply achieve. Lebron is LeBron, the greatest in this era, but his story and Kobe, MJ were totally different. If the GOAT was based on stats alone, we wouldn't even see jordan in top 5 or top 3. It would be Wilt, Bill Russell, and all those in early generation. Being the greatest doesn't necessarily imply best stats. Though i won't ranked Kobe at 2nd next to anyone, i would never considered LeBron to be greater than him.
RIP 24.
Harden: I will score as many points possible!
Kobe: I need one more ring to tie MJ!
David Stern: You’re not teaming up with Chris Paul!
And four more MVPs, four more Finals MVPs, etc., etc.
Compare to Harden, he might not even win a championship.
Rycons Rycons Give Harden the teammates Kobe had, then we’ll see what would happen.
Kenny Green If you put Kobe with Durant, and Westbrook in OKC man, they will win multiple championship guaranteed! Kobe is a two way player with a high iq.
Rycons Rycons Are you really taking out 6th man Harden and putting a developed/experience Kobe??? You just made yourself look dumb af bro
LMAO “but Kobe did this FIVE TIMES” ahaha
That dotted Birdseye view of the shot comparison DESTROYED the argument lmao Kobe is a beast!
If they were to play 1v1 kobe would smoke harden 🤣 just sayin’
Harden would break Kobe ankle like he did to Wesley johnson
@@michaellarose5827 nice joke 😂
They practically did at the Drew League... Kobe smoked him.
Harden probably tell you his self Kobe was a better Scorer!
His 40 point streak was stopped because the lakers asked him to so that shaq could be the protagonist again. IMAGINE he wasn’t asked to chill out 😂
Gabriel Arias chill out from ballhogging
Melon Scogs he was still getting a good amount of assists per game lol
Gabriel Arias good amount of assist? 3 or 4 good for ya? Kobe fans are hilarious
He had 38 points that game 😂
@@melon9440 Shooting guards traditionally didn't have a lot of assists. Scoring was their primary objective. Nowadays, players are a lot less defined by their role. Averaging 6 assists pg doesn't suit the ball-hog media narrative...
Thank you for keeping the memory of Kobe alive. Outside of Jordan nobody comes close. The most complete player in NBA history.....
Barkley:Harden is unguardable
Playoffs: Am I a joke to you?
Harden played against the greatest team ever and almost kicked them out if it weren’t for CP3 injury
Kobe got His ass handed to him by Dirk and and the next year Durant and before that Nash and before that Richard Hamilton did it
Kobe would get sweept by the Warriors(KD Warriors)
@@johnnyboy3410 how many finals appearances harden had as the main superstar?
@@johnnyboy3410Please stop watching basketball. You new age huh?
@@johnnyboy3410 You don't know how great was the Boston Celtics in 2010,right young boy?
Johnny Boy Greatest team ever 😂😂😂 These middle schoolers need to stay in school.
It shouldn't even be a debate, Kobe is obviously the better scorer. There have been games where Harden shoots more free throws than the entire opposing team...
It doesn’t matter. What matters is how much
xSkysplitter777 that’s a sign of a great scorer though.
Jeff Samuels flopper*
Kobe is the second best player ever period and I’m a Celtics fan
So birds number 1 right?
I'm jk btw
Will Clements boii shut up lol not even close to number 2
@@coldbizzness8935 his opinion says otherwise, just like yours
I got MJ. Wilt. Kareem. Kobe. Bird
I love you
You can’t put James harden in the same category as Kobe and Jordan! Harden doesn’t even have a ring!
Been waiting for this, thank you so much for the upload. Mainstream media has slandered Kobe’s name too much to gain viewership and ratings. It’s insanely disrespectful.
Kobe getting inducted into the Hall this year should hopefully put some respect back on his name again, but the fact that this kind of discussion needs to be said shouldn’t have occurred in the first place.
Just check the numbers before spiting some fanboy crap. Hardden is the better scorer. Look at his TS% compared to Bryant.
🤦🏻♂️ You clearly didn’t even watch the video. Numbers without context don’t tell the whole picture, but keep hugging your analytics since basketball can be clearly simplified on a spreadsheet.
@@elreiec1 Ahh the classic "basketball knowledge" argument, that's what you bring when numbers don't back up your arguments hahahaha.
Since you like numbers so much, how about 9 straight games of 40+ points, 4 straight 50 pieces, outscoring the Finals-bound Mavs 62-61 at the end of 3 quarters. Just a few pointers that were actually made in the video if you watched and were able to process it. 😂
@Minimal Interest Harden is the biggest chocker ever. If you think I'm a Harden fanboy like you are for Koybe then you don0t understand a thing.
I see no lies here. All facts. Kobe would average 40 and harden would average 15 in each perspective era.
@@treone3169 Dude whatever weed you are smoking gimme some of that too lmao
@@treone3169 lol... You are indeed a troll...
Facts! Throughout this entire video!
Harden pts average in Kobe era: 23ppg
Kobe pts average in Harden era: 45ppg
Jody's Corner Kobe will have to shoot 50 to score 45. Harden averaging 38 on 24 shots
@@moeMoe-vx8eu Half of that is gonna be a FT.
Honestly, James Harden is not even close.
U honestly smoking crack.
You are correct bro
@@igottsole 55 points in 2 quarters... 'nuff said
Anyone can score 30+ in todays NBA with those halfass D
Welp can I hit you up. I need whatever you are smoking 😂
Put some respect on Kobe’s name 🐐
You are appreciated. They quickly forgot how great Kobe was. My favorite player all time
Kevin Durant is a better scorer than Harden, so why wouldn’t Kobe be?
THANK YOU SO MUCH THIS VIDEO!!!!! I APPRECIATE THIS SO MUCH
Srsly its kind of sad to see the disrespect towards kobe
As a Lakers fan he was the most overrated player ever
@@melvynsngltn27 If you believe that you're not a fuckin Lakers fan
@@melvynsngltn27-Because you're not a Lakers fan. Liar. 😂
@@DUB_87 been a Lakers fan all my life. That doesn't mean i like everyone who played for the Lakers. Think about it
@@melvynsngltn27-I always hated Kobe growing up because I'm a Bostonian who is a devout Celtics fan. But even I would be delusional to think Kobe, who averaged 25 points per game, 5 rebounds and 5 assists while contributing to 5 championships to The Laker franchise is an overrated terrible basketball player. That would be like me hating Paul Pierce or Larry Bird. It would be preposterous. If you hated Smush Parker or Kwame Brown that would make sense. But Kobe? You can't be a Lakers fan.
There's nothing special about hogging the ball, traveling, scoring 40 points per game.
JP but could you do it...
Exactly, everyone believes that how Harden plays doesn’t require talent and that’s simply not true Harden is one of the most talented players in the league today so I don’t care how he does it averaging 40 is always impressive
You just described kobe haha
@@arizonaFIREent Except Kobe won
@@arizonaFIREent Not really the traveling part. Sure, you could find a few very rare instances, but as a whole, Kobe had some of the most clean and polished footwork in NBA history
Not sure if you are describing Bryant or Harden hahahahahaha
Kobe actually ended the 3rd quarter with 50+ 6 times (not 5) in his career. You left out March 28, 2003 -- where he dropped 42 in the first half on Jordan, and ended the 3rd with 50 (and the game with 55). Even MJ only had 1 game where he ended the 3rd with 50+. Kobe did it 6 times.
When it comes to scoring, it's important to take the intensity of the postseason into account. Harden has yet to play his entire career and has only scored 40+ in eight playoff games so far. But when Kobe retired in 2016:
30-point playoff games
Michael Jordan = 109
Kobe Bryant = 88
LeBron James = 83
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar = 75
Jerry West = 74
Elgin Baylor = 60
Shaquille O'Neal = 55
Karl Malone = 54
Hakeem Olajuwon = 53
Rick Barry = 48
Dirk Nowitzki = 46
Larry Bird = 43
Wilt Chamberlain = 42
40-point playoff games
Michael Jordan = 38
Jerry West = 20
LeBron James = 15
Elgin Baylor = 14
Wilt Chamberlain & Kobe Bryant = 13
50-point playoff games
Michael Jordan = 8
Wilt Chamberlain = 4
Allen Iverson = 3
Jerry West = 2
Kobe Bryant & 15 others = 1
60-point playoff games
Elgin Baylor & Michael Jordan = 1
Career playoff points per game
Michael Jordan = 33.45 (.487 fg%)
Allen Iverson = 29.73 (.401 fg%)
Jerry West = 29.13 (.469 fg%)
Kevin Durant = 28.79 (.455 fg%)
LeBron James = 28.00 (.478 fg%)
Kobe Bryant = 25.64 (.448 fg%) [11th]
Wilt Chamberlain = 22.54 (.522 fg%) [33rd]
Career playoff total points
Michael Jordan = 5987 (179 games, 7474 minutes)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar = 5762 (237 games, 8851 minutes)
Kobe Bryant = 5640 (220 games, 8641 minutes)
LeBron James = 5572 (199 games, 8383 minutes)
Shaquille O'Neal = 5250 (216 games, 8098 minutes)
Wilt Chamberlain = 3607 (160 games, 7559 minutes) [18th]
"STOP Disrespecting Jerry West!"
Wow Jordan is the GOAT for sure
Kobe consistently hit the shots that we never thought possible or even imagined. He hit the shots we would say "no way it goes in".
And his efficency reflects that
Kobe hit a whopping .... *28%* ... in clutch situations, per official NBA stats.
He BRICKED those shots a lot more of the time than he HIT them - at least in part because he would FORCE the bad shot.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Damn straight, that's the Kobe brand. Hate him or love him for it, you can't say you didn't think: "the balls on this man".
@@cocacolabean749 I don't argue that Kobe had work ethic and will to win.
I just don't agree that he was nearly as GREAT a player as some folks try to make him out to be.
SHOT SELECTION was poor at best, and as a result his shooting % was barely better than NBA average all but one SEASON of his career.
Also, he was NOT a good 3 point shooter. .329 career was WORSE than Jordan (who was widely considered to be an OK 3 point shooter, NOT great at it), and NOT A GOOD PERCENTAGE by today's standards - and that would have DROPPED had he been lofting more of them like most players today.
Kobe would probably be a starter today - but I DOUBT he'd be a "star" much less a "superstar" in today's 3-point happy NBA.
The game was moving away from him during the second half of his career, and it's gotten WORSE since then.
That cut to JJ in the beginning 😭😭😭😂💯
Stats dont tell the whole story. I watched jordan i watched kobe i watched harden. And kobe is the most skilled nba basketball player of all time.
The era is different Kobe era is hard James is soft..
U can never say that Shii man
Don’t dislike the video because it’s all facts
Not all facts.. Hardened scored once again 61 pts in 3 quarters sat out all 4th quarter
Yung MOMBA it's straight comedy that the 2 being compared
Quinton Hackett and Houston losted and made excuses Everytime when they played our Warriors, Spurs in the playoffs during the 2015 Westernconference finals 4-1, 2016 Westernconference 2nd round 4-1, 2017 Westernconference 2nd round 4-2, 2018 Westernconference finals 4-3, 2019 Westernconference 2nd round 4-2 and Harden is being consider in a conversation wit the great iconic legendary Kobe Beanin #BlackMamba Bryant, LMFBO
RIP Kobe Bryant aka Black Mamba
Mamba mentality 4 life
Kobe didn’t travel and flop unlike mr beard 😂
Harden is averaging 9 missed 3’s per game this season. Beating his own record from last year...
shame on these fools comparing a ringless dude to kobe who's had 5
Patrick Mccaw has 3 rings doea that mean he is better then Barkley or AI or Harden ?
In today’s era Kobe would average: 39.7 ppg
In Kobe’s era Harden would average: 23.1 ppg
In todays era Larry Bird would probably average 40+ - while shooting 5-8% HIGHER PERCENTAGE than Kobe, like he already did.
WILT on the other hand might be good for 70 PPG.
Right. Harden is shooting 50% on 3 pointers on 13 attempts in the last 11 games. He’s doing it while constantly doubled and shoots many feet behind 3 point line. You mean he can’t blast the shit out of Kobe era NBA? NBA players wouldn’t know what to do.
Barack Obama more like 45.7 pts, 8 rbs, 1.5 bk, 5assts & 4 to’s.
@@jayt3972 Keep in mind Kobe JUST RETIRED last year.
Today IS pretty much part of the Kobe era.
Brice Fleckenstein Eh... Harden scored more points than anyone in the past decade, including Lebron. I’d say he’s doing OK. Especially considering he was coming off the bench at the beginning.