Ike: Countdown to D-Day (Part 4 of 9)
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- IKE: COUNTDOWN TO D-DAY depicts the tense 90 days leading up to the D-Day invasion and how Dwight Eisenhower, against all odds, brilliantly orchestrated the most important military maneuver in modern history.
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I don't envy the responsibility that
Ike had many sleepless nights . He's in heaven next to God🙏🙏🙏🙏
God bless him.
Eisenhower felt total responsibility for all the young men he sent to Normandy.
Selleck does a good job here...right down to the chainsmoking
uh huh
Not only did he have to plan for the God Damned invasion of Europe but he was wise enough to understand the difference between the British and Americans. Dealing with Monti, Patton and other high ranking officers had to be an absolute pain in the ass.
Biggest swelled heads in history
That goes with the job and was never a surprise to ike,?
I’m still floored by the discipline and fortitude a man like Ike had. I’m glad he was the supreme commander and frankly President also.
Really enjoyed this. What an awesome responsibility Ike had.
I agree. Eisenhower deserved a lot of credit for how he handled it.
Henry Miller's loose talk discipline
Bedell: "No one really knows about it."
Ike: "I do." Can be construed, the man being alone, as, "God and I know." History shows decreasing individuality and lessening respect for an Almighty, even among men in pain.
Some denominations take polls and count noses; others interalize with swift resultant instincts.
Every five minutes, gas for Patton's tanks was diverted by IKE instead for Monty's ill-conceived dagger thrust crap.
A man who put his friendship aside for the betterment of his men. Leadership is a heavy burden. I think Eisenhower knew he was going to lose a lot of friendships when he became Supreme Commander.
Behind the sunny smile, Ike had a ferocious temper, and I suspect this errant general got the full blast.
We were attacked. That was the difference. Until then some 60% of Americans thought it was someone else's War. Besides 95% of the Allied forces fighting in the Pacific were Americans as well as some 60% fighting in Western Europe. Churchill himself said that w/o America they would have been under Nazi and Japanese domination. America successfully fought a two-front war.
We may not have won by ourselves but you could not have done it without us.
Not true whatsoever. The Soviets had turned the tide while the Allies were still messing around in North Africa. The Soviets eventually would have won (likely by late '45) and gone on to dominate Europe. Depending if the Soviets then go after Japan or not Japan might keep it's pacific empire, so you'd have a three super-power world, with Japan replacing China in todays world, and a much weaker US.
I do agree that the USSR did turn the tide against Germany but this is also thanks to the air drops from the Allies. Hard to say if Russia would continue its war past Germany or if beating them would be enough but without the Allies fighting in the west , the war would be that much harder plus the delay in victory would give Germany time to advance its weapons like the Tiger , Jet and its various missile systems. Russia was still lagging in the atom bomb research, Germany would certainly have a nuclear bomb before Russia and likely use it at will.
One of the best war movies ever made...and not a single shot was fired. 80 years ago....the ships were loaded, and Ike was just about to give the go ahead. Time is relentless. Eventually, WW2 and its battles will be like Waterloo, Agincourt, Sterling Bridge. Centuries old history.
The scene where he sends his academy roommate home is powerful and righteous SOB was a drunk loudmouth
I was an information specialist in Vietnam, just an E/4 Sargent and set in on many top secret meetings and it never even entered my mind to tell anyone what wee were doing, not that that any of my friends would know or care what I was talking about.
This is still speculation but the 101st junior officer seems to describe Winters but since WInters never mentioned it, at least publicly, we will never know. However the officer who reported Miller's indiscretion did do the right thing.
Dick Winters was the most famous soldier on D-Day. It must have been an honor for the generals to meet him.
Dick Winters, what did he do?
He was in the mini series “Band of brothers”. A real person.
@@juanmonge8 how was he a famous soldier before D-Day? He was a Lieutenant on D-Day.
No disrespect to Maj Winters , but he was a small fish in a huge fish tank. Multi star Generals like Monty , Bradley and of course Ike might have heard of 101 and it’s successes on D Day, but they also lost many airman not to mention officers ( Meean , hope I spelled that right).
Thankfully Winters and many other airmen wrote stories of what happened on that long day. This is good so we get to know these hero’s and not just the ones in the history books.
The real heroes are the soldiers who jumped, charged and ran willingly into German fire...humanity has yet to learn the lessons of war.
My dad said as much as everyone drank it was a wonder any secrets were kept. He drove for a high ranking officer that was drunk all the time.
I was an information specialist in Vietnam in the Air Force, I can see now that the Air Force was a much more intelligent branch than the rest, except maybe the navy.
They are historically accurate presenting allied apprehension about being beaten in France, but the fact was they had such overwhelming superiority that once a beachhead was established, victory was all but certain - fortunes of war being considered.
Not that easy. Too much uncertainties. Them boggled down in France was also extreme unfavourable.
The odds were in their favor. Victory was all but certain. How much that victory would cost? That was the question. A question that haunts anyone burdened with command.
The trick though was them getting that beachhead. If the soldiers couldn't get off of the beach in the first place that would've made the situation a lot harder on the allies.
Interesting to contrast Selleck's portrayal of Ike's command presence with the man himself. S. has height and size. But Ike had the real thing, the furrowed brow, the clipped speech - easy going, but undoubtedly in full command.
I’m not sure if IKE had much of a sense of humor. The chain smoking is spot on
his smile was famous and contagious. remember his remark that the only thing keeping Britain from sinking under the weight of all the war materiel were the barrage balloons. Very genial, but it was not a time or place for humor, so no, not known for that @@michelmendoza1769
Honestly I haven’t the slightest idea what made Bedell-Smith so important other being IKE’s COS he did command the 3rd Infantry Division toward the war’s end. Can’t recall him bringing Smith with him to the WH
Actually the incident did not occur exacty as portrayed. Miller was at the bar at the Claridges Hotel. As a supply officer he was gripinging that supplies coming from the U.S. "Were not getting through" in time for the invasion set in earlyJune. He was overheard by Gen. Edwin L. Sibert, a counter inteligence officer. Sibert reported it to Bradley, who told Ike. Miller was arrested and sent Ike a letter pleading to be sent home a Gen. and see what happens in the U.S. He was sent home a Col.
Why, thank you mr Mark Felton.
Lesson: don’t blab inside top secret knowledge publicly.
I feel a bit bad for him. Definitely his own fault, all his work rising through the ranks gone just for saying a dumb sentence. But loose lips sink ships
@@hunter70558. Plus there could have been German Spies in the Restaurant and He was Running His Mouth like a Damn Fool🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
@@hunter70558Not me, how dumb and drunk can you be?
Monty’s so jealous, a supreme commander is the only way to go, but we had a lot of great counseling.
Accomplishment is not salvation, the Cross is the "only" avenue!
We’re in the last days.
A movie that anyone interrested in WWII should watch :)
So many helpful lessons learned.
I've been a student of history, particularly the second world war for about 25 years. And long ago I became aware of the "broad front" vs. "dagger thrust" debate that was ongoing at allied command. I basically shrugged off the dagger thrust idea as unimportant because, after all that's not what happened. But lately I have wondered if perhaps Montgomery had a good idea. Maybe not right off the beachhead but once the second landing forces met up and the German's couldn't possibly hold France, maybe we could have reached Berlin first and kept the Russians at bay. It's an interesting thought for sure.
Selleck delivered a nuanced performance. He’s believable in short he becomes IKE.
Dick Winters wasn't well known til' band of Brothers was broadcast. But stating that Lt Winters be more popular than someone say...Patton, Ike or even Mcarthur is just absurd. I have the utmost respect for Lt Winters but that's a stretch ECA.
Its hollywood kitsch.
@tpsu129 If you notice in the scene while Miller was shooting his mouth off, the young officer was not specifically smoking nor drinking.
Brigadier General Ted Roosevelt Jr. (in truth his real name was Theodore Roosevelt III) led the first wave on Omaha Beach. He died of a heart attack some 6 days after the landings and is buried at the Normandy Cemetery.
He won every combat medal in the US army such as the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Silver Star, and a posthumous Medal of Honor.
dthdc4
Utah beach not omaha
I bet his father, President Teddy Roosevelt, would've been proud
I've seen his grave at Omaha Beach. Right next to him is Quentin Roosevelt, his brother, who was a pilot in WWI, who was KIA July 14, 1918 during WWI.
It appears Gen. Roosevelt had a lot to live up to
"Judicious responsibility"
The Miller character is probably fictional but the way IKE handled it very believable
The film suggests that Gen. Karl(Jimmy) Spaatz was a problem child. I recall he got really chummy with Goheringat War’s end which was very embarrassing to the U.S.Army
@dthdc4 Major Winters, then was a First Lt., was from Lancaster and not Philadelphia
Bedell-Smith is portrayed as a pleasant fellow but if the portrayal of him in the Patton movie was accurate he was classic REMF- Rear Echelon Mother fucker
I can’t imagine a major general being that ignorant and then his only concern is losing his operational rank! 😮😮😮
Some people are bosses, and some are leaders, in this case the boss wanted to impress his guests!
@@stephenfgdl Well my dad was the boss and everyone loved him because he lead by example and was the hardest worker of them all.
@@ronniebishop2496 thats the best example you can have!
@@stephenfgdl Yes it sure is. He was absolutely amazing. His funeral was a testament to his character and it was incredible.
I get your point but the description fits Winters to a T.
@SocratesTheGadfly True. He received the MOH posthumously for his part on D-Day.
Britain wouldn't have been under Nazi rule without the US . It'd already won the Battle of Britain, after which there was no real possibility of invasion.
From late 1941 onward the British Commonwealth Army was growing by the day, ending the war with over 3 million troops. It defeated Germany at El Alamein & was the only nation to beat a full Japanese army in the field in Burma.
It couldn't have regained its colonies in the East or launched an offensive in Europe but it was safe from invasion.
Fair is fair. You say Canadians want to minimize US involvement. Americans want to minimize everyone else's. The world owes the American soldiers a great debt. But it also owes the British, Australian, French, Polish and every other nation that fought as Allied Soldiers the exact same debt. You talk about percentages. That doesn't diminish the commitment and sacrifice of the soldiers.
I went to the library yesterday to read about the incident, and you're absolutely correct on all counts. I wanted to read up on Ike's alleged affair with his driver Kay Sommersby, but was pressed for time and didn't get a chance. Have you read anything about it?
Nah
IKE was Monty’s superior yet his treacherous attempt to take command of the Ground forces as late as the Ardennes. After Market Garden no less! At some point IKE was at either goes or I do. Monty wrote a boot licking apology letter that kept him from getting canned
Rubbish.
Montgomery advocated that a an allied land forces comanded, and that he would accept that commander being the US General Bradley.
Given the mess that Eisenhower had made of being allied land forces commander since the 1st September, 1944, this was an entirely sensible proposal.
Selleck is an avowed mom smoker.Those fake Lucky Strikes look pretty realistic it looks like he inhales smoke comes out of his nose.
Tom Selleck just looks like an army officer.
What about Operation Dragoon?
@tpsu129 True that. He was a 1stLt at that time and with the 82nd as described in this film. I was using his rank at the end of WW2. BTW Lancaster is just outside Philadelphia. It was customary back then to use as origin the nearest major city.
@SocratesTheGadfly And Bedell Smith was saying the officer who reported it was in the 101st.
I've watched this scene a hundred times....just realized this...shouldn't Miller have stood in attention when Ike walked into the room?
Does anyone know where Ike was on 12-16 when the Ardennes offensive began?
Paris
@SocratesTheGadfly I agree with all that. The problem is that those Canadians are trying to minimize the US role in the War, as though they could have won the war w/o US help at all.
The infantry is always the best choice, to save all our city’s.
Gen. Smith said the man was a 1st Lt. with the 101st Airborne from Philadelphia. Could the man have been Richard Winters of "Band of Brothers" fame?
I hate to say this but I think if Montgomery was in charged put in charge of D-Day invasion I think we would have lost the war I love the Brits I think they're very cool people but at the time Montgomery how to tell between his legs he sat back and waited too long for stuff or he bitched the moan and groan about things so nothing against Montgomery but I think we would have lost the war if he was in charge
CRUSADE IN EUROPE
DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER
WILLIAM HEINEMANN LIMITED 1948
P282
‘Knowing that his old antagonist of the desert, Rommel, was to be in charge of the defending forces, Montgomery predicted that enemy action would be characterized by constant assaults carried out with any force immediately available from division down to a battalion or even company size. He discounted the possibility that the enemy under Rommel would ever select a naturally strong defensive line and calmly and patiently go about the business of building up the greatest possible amount of force in order to launch one full-out offensive into our beach position. Montgomery’s predictions were fulfilled to the letter.’
P288
‘Montgomery’s tactical handling of the British and Canadians on the Eastward flank and his co-ordination of these operations with those of the Americans to the westward involved the kind of work in which he excelled. He well understood the personal equation of the British soldier, and the morale of his remained high, in spite of frustrations and losses that could easily have shaken troops under a commander in whom they did not place their implicit trust.’
ARTHUR BRYANT
TRIUMPH IN THE WEST
1943-46
COLLINS, ST JAMES’S PLACE, LONDON 1959
P43
“There is no doubt that Ike is all out to do all he can to maintain the best relations between British and Americans. But it is equally clear that Ike knows nothing about strategy. Bedell Smith, on the other hand, has brains but no military education in its true sense. He is certainly one of the best American officers but still falls far short when it comes to strategic outlook. With that Supreme Command set-up it is no wonder that Monty’s real high ability is not always realised. Especially so when ‘national’ spectacles pervert the perspective of the strategic landscape.” ’
He was in charge of ALL the ground forces on D-day and beyond. It was his planning. Bear in mind that this feature, like all Hollywood films is made to sell to the American public. Not necessarily that accurate.
Montgomery was put in charge of all land forces at D-day, what are you talking about?
Was the lieutenant Dick Winters?!?!
No
@dthdc4 I know Lancaster is "just" outside Philly (~70 miles), I live there. This scene would never have happened with Winters. He never drank or smoke, being from a conservative Mennonite family. Besides, Easy Company was stationed in Aldbourne, about 150 miles away.
I have heard of Ted Roosevelt jnr, but not Norm Cota. Dick Winters will be more well known than these guys in a hundred or so years' time. He is the most famous solider of D-Day already. Winters was a tactical genius who ensured victory.
Loose lips General, bragginh to his gurl?
Monty’s so jealous of Ike.
Funny how this movie doesn't mention Kay Summersby not once.
Not relevant.
70 miles from the sea is the maximum distance anywhere in Britain not 150.
he was referring to round trip miles, you drive to the beach eventually you have to drive home
needlenoize, hello again: I would like to say that the actor that portrays Bedell-Smith, in my poor opinion, looks like... George W. Bush!! ;D
In You Tube is also available the HBO films "The gathering storm" (Albert Finney IS Winston S. Churchill!!) & "Into the storm".
By the way, It is always strange to me the fact that there is no remarkable biopics about George Washington, Beethoven, Handel & JS Bach.
Thanks.
Tom Selleck did a great job, personality wise.
But Eisenhower, as great man as he was, he was not a physically imposing man.
Not to put Tom Selleck or his performance down, but his large stature lended more to the mystique of Eisenhower and played up that 'alpha male' myth. When in reality it was the humble capable man who wins wars.
@SocratesTheGadfly All I'm saying is that it could've been him. I never said it actually was. Sure there were many officers in the 101st. However there is the possibility if NOT actuality.
At least this argument is better than dealing with those deluded Canadians JimmyG228 and pteJames who think the USA role in WW1 was small. I have to continually tell them otherwise.
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, 'where the Jews resisted the german army for 6 weeks. Twice as long as the well fed french army'.
Africans were the ones who helped Liberated most of France anyway and the French didn’t want them Celebrating with the rest of the Allies in Paris🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
You can’t compare urban guerrilla Warfare and A Open Front like The France Campaigns
@@charles07km83 Urban guerilla warfare is considered far more difficult by anyone who has a clue about warfare.
Loose lips sink ships.
A great movie... but Monty was a idiot... should have been relieved after Over Lord... let alone Market Garden. His command of land forces after D day was not accomplished... it took what... ? 30 + days to take Caen... not one day... He was a failure in command. The war was won inspite of him... not because of him.
He was more interested in his own personal style than the war.
@@ronniebishop2496 I agree..,but many paid the price for it.
@@razor6888 Yes you’re exactly right.
Montgomerys arrogance is so Galling. What battles did he actually win with skill and brilliant leadership , none . Over whelming superiority in men and materials won his battles , still though , with heavy losses .
Montgomery performed with distinction in in trying circumstances as a single division commander in France in 1940. He won in North Africa at Alam El Halfa, the Second Battle of El Alamein - which ended the war in North Africa as a contest, then right through to Tunis where the Germans suffered a defeat as big as Stalingrad. In Sicily he managed to get Patton's lunatic invasion plan dumped and coped with Patton throwing his toys out of his pram by offering him Messina.
He then masterminded the Overlord land campaign - which finished ahead of schedule (D+87) and with 22% fewer than expected casualties, despite the setback of the Great Storm of June 1944 which destroyed the badly installed US Mulberry harbour, despite the Germans massing the vast bulk of their armour in front of British and Canadian forces, despite the constant badgering of glory hungry US commanders almost all of whom had zero combat experience theatrically marching around in steel helmets.
Market Garden was fatally undermined by a lack of commitment by Eisenhower - particularly as he fatally dithered for a week before giving the go ahead.
In the Battle of the Bulge Montgomery sorted out the entire northern half of the battle - leading to this comment from the German commander of the 5th Panzer Army, Hasso von Manteuffel:
‘The operations of the American 1st Army had developed into a series of individual holding actions. Montgomery's contribution to restoring the situation was that he turned a series of isolated actions into a coherent battle fought according to a clear and definite plan. It was his refusal to engage in premature and piecemeal counter-attacks which enabled the Americans to gather their reserves and frustrate the German attempts to extend their breakthrough’. His words.
Thereafter Montgomery masterminded the only difficult Rhine crossing which succeeded in textbook fashion and then took the first and largest surrender of German territory and forces - on Luneburg Heath.
Any questions?
In all fairness to Montgomery while he was an arrogant pompous ass, compared to George Armstrong Custer @ least he was an acceptably competent arrogant pompous ass. Still, as we saw during Operation Market-Garden he made plenty of costly mistakes of his own.
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