Thanks for all the dragon reviews, I've built and owned five dedicated theaters in my lifetime. My last being a 7.2.4 40K build, i sold that home five year's ago and haven't had any system since i purchased the Dragon. As someone whom is a home theater freak i needed something that would suit my current needs. I'm living with my girlfriend and the Dragon was a compromise between my girlfriend and myself, a perfect solution for my current needs. I never thought is was going to be better than separates, nor did i believe it was going to be the greatest thing in home theater. I went into it with realistic expectations and i can honestly say I'm very pleased with the system and already pre-order the 12" sub once again with realistic expectations. I still think about my last home theater far to often and can't wait to build another one day but for now the dragon put a smile back on my face when I'm watching movies.
@michael-4k4000 I never said it wasn't expensive, but to bring a product from the ground up to market is extremely expensive and risky, so I personally understand the asking price. If not for the situation I'm in, I wouldn't have purchased the dragon. My girlfriend wasn't going to let me run wires or have very large speakers, and even if she did, I'm not going to spend all that money time and energy in a home that isn't mine and a relationship that eventually could end. I needed something we could agree on and that I could pack up and leave in a rush if need be and satisfied my home theater addiction until I figure out where my life is going. The dragon turned out to be, although not perfect, a fantastic solution for my needs. Not everyone is a home theater fanatic like myself and will be perfectly happy with this easy to set up system and not get caught up in the chase for bigger, better, and perfection. That being said, I wouldn't recommend this system to anyone who plans on taking home theater to the next level. I'd without a doubt go with separates. Obviously, this is my worthless opinion and my personal experiences with home theaters and the Dragon that I wanted to share.
Now it's clearer that Nakamichi over promised/hyped up but under delivered. The 8" ported sub is a joke, especially when NAK claimed that the subs go as low as 20 Hz? NAK charges $15000 for a sub is a slap in the face for Dragon owners.
I enjoy and informed by your videos and reviews. For me, what I want to know your videos deliver. At my age, with an eye to not annoying the neighbours' music and TV played so that voice can herd alongside and or over other sound content is what's needed. Occasional sports event and party gathering ( no gaming, whatever that is ) requiring volumes to suit both delivering clarity would be nice. Big powerful systems in my home would never be used for fear of architecture damage and tinnitus. Your Polk review seems to fit without a remortgage. Thanks for all your videos. Very well done.
Thanks for this. Please can u let us know in comments how you feel About the 8s being paired with one 12.. for those considering ordering on the 19th? Worth it in your opinion or pairing with 2 12s is a must?
I was waiting for The Dragon would get more expensive!! Now I can decide on this set up….or daisy chaining 2 Sony Quad systems together…..and charge the high price on my Blockbuster card 💰😂
Btw since this is a ported design (yes passive radiators are fall into that) you should ask what was the tuning FR for the radiator and that should quickly tell you it's true -3DB low end limit.
If space can be made to work I like the 8s spaced from the 12s. If they need to be right next to one another … it’s a toss up. If you already have 8s I’d try both and make a decision
I'm very interested in hearing more about how different the 12's are in terms of "feeling" the base rather than just hearing the base. You stated the 12's "outwit" the 8's but aren't physically aggressive. I was personally hoping for a more 'tactile' experience from the 12's...can you elaborate? Thanks!
I just want to know how many people are sticking by this company after being duped and now beign told to spend close to 4k for the new subs. I just truly wonder because this is insanity when you really sit back and think about it.
@@CloudSurfer13 It would seem you're one of the ones that got duped. I'm sorry if my comment offended you. It wasn't meant to offend. I was just sincerely curious.
@@rayjuarez5111 lol, there's no offense taken. I love my Dragon (while acknowledging its flaws) and am excited to get the new subs. I figured highlighting that they were sold out would be a more empirical answer to your question.
@rayjuarez5111: Happy owner here and the two sub enclosures with a total of 4-8" subs put more than enough bass out for my needs. I actually have only 1 sub activated in each enclosure, set on a volume of 3 and it's still too much for my application. Good job bagging on something you have no actual first hand expertise.
DBA is not mimicking true human auditory sensitivity, it simply falls off below 400hz ,so it's not suitable for any measurement that concentrate on the first 6 or so octaves .
Did you format the thumb drives? "Reformat the USB drive to either FAT/FAT32 (≤ 32GB capacity) or exFAT. For Windows, set allocation unit size to default." The instructions are linked on their firmware page. Also, check your current firmware version and ensure you picked the right file -> Need to the dragon is upgraded to 2.0/2.1 before trying to install 2.6. If you did both of that....probably need to contact Nakamichi and see what they can do for you.
Certainly quad for the dollar but I’d lean quad in general for the front separation … Nakamichi should work on that product. They seem audacious enough to do it.
@@neverenoughtechi know the dragon probably wins in power but do you feel a noticeable lack of power with the quads + sub in your movie watching experience? Like is the experience night and day between the dragon or just fine and maybe even preferable do to what you mentioned and immersion
The complications of this system ....its set up ...additional pieces ...balance ...juggling the units around ...& not one positive comment as " this is the ultimate sound bar ever " ....makes me not want ro touch it ......not even with a 12" pole 😮
If someone sends me everything I need. Does the mod involve a cutting into the 8s? I haven’t reviewed any mod with any system so this is not personal (so to speak)
@@neverenoughtech I did not cut any wires with the mod, but the original version did require it. I just pulled the spade connection on the driver and put it into the mod with the opposite spade connector. It's very easy, you honestly don't need the mod it just makes everything look more refined
placement is key... they don't go as low as specs claim... 🤔 where have I heard this before? jk NOT. Fool me once, fool me twice... Sounds like they are good subs, excellent build quality, they sound better and compliment the 8s, nice integration, placement is key, and they don't go as low as claimed (again). I need 4 of them to get the full experience? (what we should have gotten from the beginning) I've already gotten much more than what they offer for way less $ by connecting two SVS subs using the electronics from one of the 8" sub boxes. In my opinion, Nak's 12s are not worth $1500. I think at the end you'll be happy the Nakamichi or Mod route, they both offer way more than the original configuration, to each their own. I would love for you to compare the Nak 12" sub to other subs. I would not mind letting you borrow the electronics from one 8" box if you don't want to modify yours in the name of science :D Let me know ;)
"I'm fully independent from Nakamichi, they don't see my videos" So they don't see your videos but just decide to send you subs to review and plaster your other videos up on their website. Lmao funniest thing I've heard you say, what a load of absolute woffle. Sorry Daniel but not buying this video at all. Your body language and voice just feels like you are reading off a script and how predominant just before the next pre-order.
They don’t see before release, obviously. And preorder timing is the point based on comments requesting feedback prior to pre-order as my final review is not complete.
Send me all the info you can about the mod and the work required and I’ll mention it in my full review … I know the moders are vocal but I’m not clear what % of customers are interested in going through the process … email me at Daniel.glaser.techchannel@gmail.com
Yes I know the audio has issues - no time to re-record. Funny setup that went bad. It's a one-time thing.
Here is my recommendation 🤣🤣
Sony C-800G Studio Tube Condenser Microphone with Power Supply
Thanks for all the dragon reviews, I've built and owned five dedicated theaters in my lifetime. My last being a 7.2.4 40K build, i sold that home five year's ago and haven't had any system since i purchased the Dragon. As someone whom is a home theater freak i needed something that would suit my current needs. I'm living with my girlfriend and the Dragon was a compromise between my girlfriend and myself, a perfect solution for my current needs. I never thought is was going to be better than separates, nor did i believe it was going to be the greatest thing in home theater. I went into it with realistic expectations and i can honestly say I'm very pleased with the system and already pre-order the 12" sub once again with realistic expectations. I still think about my last home theater far to often and can't wait to build another one day but for now the dragon put a smile back on my face when I'm watching movies.
There’s a line in the final review that I think speaks directly to you 🙂
@@neverenoughtech I'm looking forward to it.
@@Jacob-ed1bl The thing is, with the cost of these new 12" subs, the Dragon becomes very expensive. Heck, it already is one of the most expensive SB.
@michael-4k4000 I never said it wasn't expensive, but to bring a product from the ground up to market is extremely expensive and risky, so I personally understand the asking price. If not for the situation I'm in, I wouldn't have purchased the dragon. My girlfriend wasn't going to let me run wires or have very large speakers, and even if she did, I'm not going to spend all that money time and energy in a home that isn't mine and a relationship that eventually could end. I needed something we could agree on and that I could pack up and leave in a rush if need be and satisfied my home theater addiction until I figure out where my life is going. The dragon turned out to be, although not perfect, a fantastic solution for my needs.
Not everyone is a home theater fanatic like myself and will be perfectly happy with this easy to set up system and not get caught up in the chase for bigger, better, and perfection. That being said, I wouldn't recommend this system to anyone who plans on taking home theater to the next level. I'd without a doubt go with separates. Obviously, this is my worthless opinion and my personal experiences with home theaters and the Dragon that I wanted to share.
Now it's clearer that Nakamichi over promised/hyped up but under delivered. The 8" ported sub is a joke, especially when NAK claimed that the subs go as low as 20 Hz?
NAK charges $15000 for a sub is a slap in the face for Dragon owners.
One of my two 12 inch subs come in today I'm pumped. Can't wait for your review!
I also can’t wait
Just a update.... Sub arrived it's DOA :( going back to nakamichi. Won't power on. The wait continues!
bruh
@@succuled1969 who you telling?? 😂
Did you flip the power switch? Worth an ask.
I enjoy and informed by your videos and reviews. For me, what I want to know your videos deliver. At my age, with an eye to not annoying the neighbours' music and TV played so that voice can herd alongside and or over other sound content is what's needed.
Occasional sports event and party gathering ( no gaming, whatever that is ) requiring volumes to suit both delivering clarity would be nice. Big powerful systems in my home would never be used for fear of architecture damage and tinnitus. Your Polk review seems to fit without a remortgage.
Thanks for all your videos. Very well done.
Thanks!
Thanks for this. Please can u let us know in comments how you feel
About the 8s being paired with one 12.. for those considering ordering on the 19th?
Worth it in your opinion or pairing with 2 12s is a must?
I don’t like threes … I’d buy 2 12s and return if you think one is enough.
@@neverenoughtechthank you!
I was waiting for The Dragon would get more expensive!! Now I can decide on this set up….or daisy chaining 2 Sony Quad systems together…..and charge the high price on my Blockbuster card 💰😂
Btw since this is a ported design (yes passive radiators are fall into that) you should ask what was the tuning FR for the radiator and that should quickly tell you it's true -3DB low end limit.
Wish I have the $$ for this dang..., I would love to experience all these
I have space issues. Wud u recommend replacing 2 8” inch with 2 12” or just add 1 12” along with 2 8”. Thx
If space can be made to work I like the 8s spaced from the 12s. If they need to be right next to one another … it’s a toss up. If you already have 8s I’d try both and make a decision
I'm very interested in hearing more about how different the 12's are in terms of "feeling" the base rather than just hearing the base. You stated the 12's "outwit" the 8's but aren't physically aggressive. I was personally hoping for a more 'tactile' experience from the 12's...can you elaborate? Thanks!
I said they’re more physical than the 8s but they’re not overtly aggressive as a car sub may be. There’s tactility but it’s measured
Ahhh - I first read - Excuse the audio quality and POOPS (I was trying a thing) The 'thing' was bad. 😄😆
The audio quality fell just short of poops
I just want to know how many people are sticking by this company after being duped and now beign told to spend close to 4k for the new subs. I just truly wonder because this is insanity when you really sit back and think about it.
2 tranches of the new subs have been sold out. It would seem many owners are happy to keep investing in upgrading their systems.
@@CloudSurfer13 It would seem you're one of the ones that got duped. I'm sorry if my comment offended you. It wasn't meant to offend. I was just sincerely curious.
@@rayjuarez5111 lol, there's no offense taken. I love my Dragon (while acknowledging its flaws) and am excited to get the new subs. I figured highlighting that they were sold out would be a more empirical answer to your question.
@rayjuarez5111: Happy owner here and the two sub enclosures with a total of 4-8" subs put more than enough bass out for my needs. I actually have only 1 sub activated in each enclosure, set on a volume of 3 and it's still too much for my application. Good job bagging on something you have no actual first hand expertise.
@@john5600 No problem?
DBA is not mimicking true human auditory sensitivity, it simply falls off below 400hz ,so it's not suitable for any measurement that concentrate on the first 6 or so octaves .
Would be better to have 4 12s and ditch the 8s?
Of course but - maybe don’t ditch the 8s for nothing
I've had no luck upgrading the firmware on my Dragon. Tried 3 different thumb drives and it doesn't recognize any of them.
Maybe the thumb drive is too big
Did you format the thumb drives? "Reformat the USB drive to either FAT/FAT32 (≤ 32GB capacity) or exFAT. For Windows, set allocation unit size to default." The instructions are linked on their firmware page. Also, check your current firmware version and ensure you picked the right file -> Need to the dragon is upgraded to 2.0/2.1 before trying to install 2.6. If you did both of that....probably need to contact Nakamichi and see what they can do for you.
bring the units closer
Call Nakamichi and have them sent you a drive and walk you thru it.
Here first lol great non review!
Yes amongst the greatest non-reviews
@@neverenoughtech 1st & only question, do you prefer OG nakamichi dragon setup or Sony Theater Quad with SW5 sub??
Certainly quad for the dollar but I’d lean quad in general for the front separation … Nakamichi should work on that product. They seem audacious enough to do it.
If Sonos made a Sony Quad type product with 5 300s and a sub I'd buy it.
@@neverenoughtechi know the dragon probably wins in power but do you feel a noticeable lack of power with the quads + sub in your movie watching experience? Like is the experience night and day between the dragon or just fine and maybe even preferable do to what you mentioned and immersion
The complications of this system ....its set up ...additional pieces ...balance ...juggling the units around ...& not one positive comment as " this is the ultimate sound bar ever " ....makes me not want ro touch it ......not even with a 12" pole 😮
I did mention an exclusive experience … ‘an (positive) experience I have yet to hear from a sb system’ towards the end of the video.
Four subs is twice as fun as two
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How about talking after the video starts?
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Do you think you'll do a review on the PB-1000 SVS MOD option as well?
If someone sends me everything I need. Does the mod involve a cutting into the 8s? I haven’t reviewed any mod with any system so this is not personal (so to speak)
@@neverenoughtech I did not cut any wires with the mod, but the original version did require it. I just pulled the spade connection on the driver and put it into the mod with the opposite spade connector. It's very easy, you honestly don't need the mod it just makes everything look more refined
placement is key... they don't go as low as specs claim... 🤔 where have I heard this before? jk NOT. Fool me once, fool me twice...
Sounds like they are good subs, excellent build quality, they sound better and compliment the 8s, nice integration, placement is key, and they don't go as low as claimed (again). I need 4 of them to get the full experience? (what we should have gotten from the beginning)
I've already gotten much more than what they offer for way less $ by connecting two SVS subs using the electronics from one of the 8" sub boxes. In my opinion, Nak's 12s are not worth $1500. I think at the end you'll be happy the Nakamichi or Mod route, they both offer way more than the original configuration, to each their own.
I would love for you to compare the Nak 12" sub to other subs. I would not mind letting you borrow the electronics from one 8" box if you don't want to modify yours in the name of science :D Let me know ;)
Another great review🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
🍻 interested in your opinion
🍻 I hope your interest inspires others
"I'm fully independent from Nakamichi, they don't see my videos"
So they don't see your videos but just decide to send you subs to review and plaster your other videos up on their website. Lmao funniest thing I've heard you say, what a load of absolute woffle.
Sorry Daniel but not buying this video at all. Your body language and voice just feels like you are reading off a script and how predominant just before the next pre-order.
They don’t see before release, obviously. And preorder timing is the point based on comments requesting feedback prior to pre-order as my final review is not complete.
Lol
Agreed
Still not mentioning the mod!! Which is very popular now. This should be evaluated when people are thinking should they move forward or not.
Send me all the info you can about the mod and the work required and I’ll mention it in my full review … I know the moders are vocal but I’m not clear what % of customers are interested in going through the process … email me at Daniel.glaser.techchannel@gmail.com
What mod give us a link.