It is always great to be greeted by you. Overall in your videos, I’m surprised that I agree with you almost all of the time. I enjoy your variety of topics.
"Exciting Times" is the understatement of the year!!! I'm of an age where FORTRAN 77 was still taught at University, a 64kb trunk was screaming fast, and we had a "Turbo" button to slow our PCs down from 12MHz to 9MHz so the older software could still be used. It will be interesting to see how the next 6 years play out on the market estimates. Exciting Times, indeed!!!
I am of the age when FORTRAN was taught through using punch cards. Seeing your little FORTRAN program run successfully on a million-dollar IBM 360 mainframe - THAT was excitement!
@@ExplainingComputers are you for real? Don’t you see the issue in this troubled world with Putin rising? This is giving a terror state unlimited access to what they need in weapons. Smart move.
When the video is 14 minutes long and you have 50 likes while having uploaded the video around 3 minutes ago, you know you have interested and loyal audience. Greetings Chris!
I normally click Like first, but since YT is sneaky, I've started to wonder if they actually count it, even if they show it as counted to me. On videos with only a few likes, if I check in a private window it looks like they don't.
Kinda crazy to think that there's a RISC-V CPU inside my Google Pixel's security chip. It's a lot more popular than I thought it was. Great video as always!
It will be a happy day when we can order, receive, unpack & use a RISC-V desktop machine. Thank you Chris, there were a lot of information packed into this video... 🙂
You can order the Milk-V Pioneer, but it's very expensive. Later this year the Milk-V Oasis is expected. Price might be starting around $150, for a miini ATX system.
Rather the opposite: Every AI company is adopting RISC-V. And they are doing it in many different ways. Eventually, I think that some of these approaches are going to look to be superior to others for different types of applications.
Accretion coming... replace with RISC-V and also replace the OS (very cheap /Free) AMD, INTC Slip as China Moves Away from Western Tech China officials tell telecom carriers to phase out foreign chips by 2027. This is U$A dream come true .. China helping U$A to stop chip companies from supplying Chinese companies. So great to see the two governments working together.
Risc-V is cool, but the forces that drove the creation of the IME may well give us similar type things on RISC V systems as well. If you can replace discrete chips with weird complex features on the CPU, it saves per-unit costs. So it's hard to imagine this kind of thing not happening. Now, in Risc-V we may get a choice of cheaper systems with such approaches, and more expensive ones without. Or, due to market forces, we may not get a choice.
I got myself a Lichee Pi 4a, and the first time I turned it on, it couldn't find the WLAN. Ended up having to flash it with the newest image to get it working. I even added the Debian sources.list for faster and more current updates, since the default repository felt slow and outdated. But all things considered, I'm pretty happy with it. It's been awesome for learning RISC-V assembly language.
Excellent video - I've not yet taken the plunge and bought any RiscV hardware yet and happy to be a passive observer till I decide to take a bite. High quality and interesting video on the subject - thank you!
I feel educated. I didn't really know much about RISC. Sounds like we may be coming into the dawn of something great. I look forward to more in this topic. Thanks Chris!
Intel and AMD chips are RISC chips that just present x86/64 interfaces to the other components. RISC came about when we started getting to compiled code i.e C programming it turned out that most programs only actually uses a small subset of the instructions available on the CPU so cutting out the ones not used allowed for much simpler and thus cheaper CPU's.
I have been "testing the waters" with Espressif ESP32-C Series dev boards which are RISC-V based. Environment used is the Arduino IDE and MS VSC with PlatformIO. Proves that RISC-V will be the next "unseen" micro controller in all the gizmos we use daily.
Personally I don't want x86 to be taken over by RISC-V but I would definitely welcome it being an option. The thing I'd rather want to see RISC-V take over is ARM devices. x86 offers backwards compatibility, ARM offers e-waste.
Accretion coming... replace with RISC-V and also replace the OS (very cheap /Free) AMD, INTC Slip as China Moves Away from Western Tech China officials tell telecom carriers to phase out foreign chips by 2027. This is U$A dream come true .. China helping U$A to stop chip companies from supplying Chinese companies. So great to see the two governments working together.
Interesting update on RISC-V. Probably too late for this video but Espressif, the creator of the ESP32 line of microcontrollers have announced the ESP32-P4 which has two 400 MHz RISC-V cores and 50 GPIO pins. Maybe nothing for you people that have to run operating systems but seems that Espressif is going all in with RISC-V. I will say that I don't notice what ISA I am using. But maybe that's the point.
I didn't not verify this, but their was this story from China in 2020 or in the few years that followed that the most popular DIY ARM-based Microcontroller wasn't being produced enough and that a RISC-V competitor took over the most popular spot because it could be slotted in place, for a very comparable price and with more features and pretty similar power envelope as well.
@@autohmae There were lots of supply issues during covid but unfortunately risc-v didn't fill any gaps. Lots companies switched vendors to anyone actually selling ARM microcontrollers. 3D printer boards for example when through multiple different ST microcontroller variants and then onto Raspberry Pi 2040's. Things have settled back down now. Its likely that Risc-V will win out in the end but its going to take a long time.
It makes sense, previous ESP boards used the xtensa ISA, wich was popular for DSPs because it is very flexible, allowing a company to only put the useful features on its CPU. The downside is that Xtensa is a small ISA, much smaller than RISC-V. (In popularity). And due to its extreme flexibility, every Xtensa CPU is incompatible, needing a custom LLVM fork for every CPU model. Risc-v have standardized extensions, so it still is a quite flexible ISA, but you can just use regular LLVM, no need for custom fork.
The new ESP32s are of some interest to the retrocomputer enthusiasts since they are always looking for cheap, fast, programmable signal generators with GPIO to act as a terminal, video processor or similar kinds of support chips. An open ISA is a bonus.
Wow, RISC-V development is really accelerating rapidly! Thanks for this report. You've really inspired my interest in RISC-V so I'm following along with keen intent. Thinking about purchasing an SBC for experimentation...
a sidenote: the new arm qualcomm snapdragon looks positively radiant and blows away both amd and intel, particularly in multicore. here i just built out a new and improved opnsense box - 3rd gen sff hp with 16gb ram - it came with an i7 which i transpanted into my ws - double bonus - the opnsense with i5 will be fine - it doubles my cores and ram over present machine - i just wanted some breathing room - should work well - the machine arrived filled with dirt, had to dissemble entire machine but things worked out after a bath - it was too dirty for mere compressed air. the i7 chip goes for 40, i got box for 30 so made out after some footwork - hoping it wil run well and for a long time - burn in is going well. keep making the good content - take a look at qualcomm arm efforts when you get a chance - there could be a tempest in a teapot brewing!
I love these RISC updates. I'm glad to see more RISC-V devices hitting the industrial and systems development scenarios. I am just waiting for more software and OS official support of the instruction set the hardware on which it runs. I originally thought it worked be risky looking through the comments for fear of to many good puns. It has been wonderful to watch the the progress of the technology, and seeing it thrive in areas other architectures are lacking.
It would be nice to have more open sourced / open standard computing be a thing. As currently we're using closed standard x86 / ARM. And while arm being efficient, RISC-V is honestly just the true future. As open standards that do the same thing usually win over closed standards. I'm excited to see where RISC-V goes. And hopefully one day, I can either use a ARM cpu, or more preferably, a RISC-V CPU in my Linux gaming rig.
Thanks Chris for another happy Sunday. These are certainly exciting times for RISC-V development & a thoroughly interesting video to boot. In 1987 I had access to an Acorn BBC B Micro computer I didn't realise that I was using a RISC processor until more recently, there are several interesting UA-cam videos including 'The potted history of ARM' with Sophie Wilson & Steve Furber the co-designers of the ARM processor. Take care kind & regards Alan :)
Hi Alan, the 'BBC B Micro' sounds like its the Model B. These were before Acorn used ARM chips. If it was a text interface (like a commodore 64) when you started it up, it was the predecessor. If it had a windows-like interface that you controlled with a mouse, then it was the ARM-powered generation of Acorn Archimedes computers. I had a few of these back in the day, awesome machines for the time.
Further to this, interestingly, the ARM chips at the time had a similar ISA size to the current risc-v chips. The current Arm chips ISA are much larger than competing x86 chips back in the late '80s. Think of risc-v as a reboot of the original arm chips, but with better architecture, open source, and small process node.
The BBC Model B microcomputer used a 6502 8-bit processor which predates RISC, though it has been described as "Classic RISC" for its minimalist design. You could also connect a second processor to the BBC using the "Tube" interface, and this CPU could be of various different architectures such as 6502, Z80 and more. I think this was used to test the earliest ARM processors while they were being developed.
@@jandrews377 It was the text interface that I used in 1987 for my 'O' level computer studies, my first encounter with a mouse was using Win 97 a blast from the late 90's
Sunday greetings, Chris. Thanks for this video. This year's RISC - V update is certainly no surprise being a leap over last year's all around adoption. China's work on RISC V is certainly something to keep an eye for.
Im a big enthusiast of RISC V. Im sending my best wishes for it to succeed. I think inovative companies such as Google should try to adopt it as main processing unit. Maybe when building their own chips, they could help improve the tech
I received two RISC-V microcontrollers in the mail last Friday that I ordered: a tiny ESP32-C3 board and a CH32V203C8T6 Blue Pill clone. RISC-V is slowly gaining traction in the microcontroller market.
0:55 It does not matter if x86 and ARM is faster and better, the fact that these are Closed ISA, their corresponding government can throw the Ban Hammer and deprive certain countries from using it. My money is on Open ISA in general and RISC-V in particular.
This is great. Very informative. I really like the idea of RISKV. Competition in industry is a good thing, especially for progress. My concern is about making it easier for companies to perform anti consumer practices. It's not clear that more competition, will infact give consumers more options.
I had no idea RISC-V was a threat even to GPUs and NPUs for machine learning. I just figured it was a competitor to ARM. I hope to see it competing with desktop CPUs in an ATX form factor one day. I'd love to have Linux on RISC-V in a full fat desktop PC.
One thing that comes to my mind is that while ISA is open, the IP for the cores and CPUs are not. The good thing here is that we might see limited license impact of the CPUs as Intel/AMD/Arm would see true competition on the market. The downside is that many OSS projects are going back to closed licenses as a side effect of cloud behemoths making money for free on others work. I guess with RISC-V ISA it might be the same. While technically open, we will have few major market players dictating the prices, at least in high end market
I'm eager to get an ATX motherboard to use as a development workstation. Also, Jim Keller's company, Tenstorrent, is doing some very interesting stuff with RISC-V. Considering his very esteemed pedigree, having produced some incredible results at Intel and AMD, I'm eager to see what his firm produces.
Mr Keller has stated multiple times that what they're working on is AI accelerators. So beyond using RV cores as controllers and the frontend, I don't see what one has to do with the other. Unless RISC-V comes up with a spec for vector 4bit vector ALUs, or 512bit ALUs - which it does not have, the spec only gets in the way for designing NPUs.
i personally would like to see either RISC-V or ARM full desktops ( not SBCs ) , but even then I might go with ARM, because it just seems RISC-V even at their most powerful lags behind ARM.
Thanks Chris for this excellent update video. So far my only RISC-V product that I own is a Pine64 “Pinecil” soldering iron. They also have a SBC and PineTab with the RISC-V SOC’s but I waiting for improved software as I am not a software guru…😂! Well have a great week!
Base x86 spec is actually an open standard and it's royalty-free; it's the extensions that are proprietary. Every modern x86-64 CPU has ISA extensions; without them the chip wouldn't do much and would be able to operate only in the 16-bit mode. Intel and AMD have cross-licensing agreements for many of these extensions, and it's one of the reasons why Intel and AMD CPUs are mostly cross-compatible.
I feel like the success of risc-v in ai accelerators and co-processors has had the interesting effect of illustrating how risc-v (broadly speaking) cannot be standardised to the degree required by consumer computer platforms without abandoning the flexibility and ease of adaptation that is its primary competitive advantage. it will be interesting to see if within the broader risc-v architecture we start to see more restrictive and domain specific sub-standards emerge that allow for increased code portability between different manufacturers
Hopefully there will also be great developer tools for RISC-V machine learning. Perhaps even something to translate CUDA to make the transition easier. The demand for smartwatch is also fairly limited compared to a smartphone, tablet and PC, so it does seem like the easiest market to begin in for wider regular consumer adoption. Otherwise probably more so in countries with limited access to ARM and x86 that will more heavily push for RISC-V being used more widely.
Imagination technologies APXM-6200 seems quite interesting as a board integrated with their GPU. Seemingly announced the day after this video went live. 😅
Arduino and risc-v seem like a good match, I wonder how long it'll be till it's dominant in that market?
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Interesting. I wouldn't have predicted that RISC-V will be used for AI accelerators. Though the extensible architecture and instructionset basically allows everything, so I shouldn't be surprised.
Great video. If you are looking for a quick and easy video topic, maybe you should take us on a tour of the free RISC-V courses you mentioned at 3:58. It would be interesting to see what is available and see if these are courses that would benefit us.
What would be interesting to know is the evolution of publicly available RISC-V micro-architectures (commercial or open source) and how do they fare against their x86 or ARM counterparts
the moment the MNT reform and MNT pocket reform come out with a riscV module, im gonna make the jump. for high end desktop use, riscV is far from being suitable but for a small laptop its definitely getting there, and it lines up perfectly with MNT's open hardware design philosophy
Biggest growth (YoY, %-wise) seems to be for AI, even though the absolute numbers are topped by microcontrollers still. Thanks for the informative video.
This was an excellent report on the previous year's RISC-V developments! I think the most exciting developments are the likes of RISE and RISC-V Labs working towards accelerating development of open-source software for RISC-V, Meta's MSVP and MTIA, and (showing my fandom here... 🤭) your RISC-V week video diary. Hopefully 2024 will bring more great progress in RISC-V development. I feel you may have explained how you do what I'm about to ask you before somewhere, my memory's utterly terrible and I apologize, but how do you put together these annual recaps on not just RISC-V, but quantum computing?
These reviews videos as basically just slog -- lots of gathering information, lots of reading, and lots of trying to work out what to include, what to exclude (here a lot!), and what to group into segments. For both RISC-V and quantum computing I open the script file for the next year's review as soon as I finish the current one, and then as news comes up in feeds (social media, but also press releases), I throw stuff into the document. So when I went to start making this particular video, the script was was already 11 months old, and full of possible material to include.
It seems like only a year or two ago the consensus was that RISC-V would likely be virtually unusable for desktop use for at least a decade. I'm glad to see that things have progressed so far in so short a time.
Focus your knowledge toward China. China love to fund the open source standard of risc v its good for their business. And for the researchers its great for them to gain fortunes in China and break through monopoly, dual poly of tech oligarch . If you guys can work hand in hand with China the open standard and the open source of this architecture shall be kept just like Libux revolution in the servers and android the linux clone on the handheld devices. This will be greater if the risc v also can be use as microcontroller and as gpu processors
I have a closet filled with i86 cores, just waiting for me to go thru them to salvage some data. I now have an array of Pi 4's taking care of all kinds of stuff I wouldn't have bothered with i86 systems. I just got my first Pi5 and am working at making it ny go to for CAD/CAM work, as well as a monitor of the Pi4's.
From what I remember us a lot of USA asking About this as they couldnt fully understand the code. So it was base code plus an accelerator. The chip made by Canada was the code open source with a lock on it so it couldn't be upscaled past a certain speed. They were asking about hardware locks and software locks. The hardware locks in theory could be bypassed easy if you could extract the code and put it on an open chipset. The software lock could be a program string not allowing it to go past a certain speed or something to create an error, or increase error rate as it goes faster and faster. It could be lots of things. It could be more than one lock or lots hidden. So they were asking if I was privy to this Intel. No. But they were able to unlock it past 1 or 2 simple locks they found in a day when they don't fully understand the code in the first place. So it is a mystery to me if there are hidden locks that will give Canada an advantage later and backdoors in the system that would allow Canada to hijack all the arm based chips for surveillance.
It’s not promising anymore. It’s delivering. Really excellent news!
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Sharing links to articles in your video description is a time-saver for your viewers. THANK YOU.
You are welcome!
RISC is moving along in leaps and bounds. This will cause a major revolution in computing.
I find the development of RISC-V fascinating and appreciated this yearly update. Looking forward to your next video!
Greetings Perry.
It is always great to be greeted by you. Overall in your videos, I’m surprised that I agree with you almost all of the time. I enjoy your variety of topics.
"Exciting Times" is the understatement of the year!!! I'm of an age where FORTRAN 77 was still taught at University, a 64kb trunk was screaming fast, and we had a "Turbo" button to slow our PCs down from 12MHz to 9MHz so the older software could still be used. It will be interesting to see how the next 6 years play out on the market estimates. Exciting Times, indeed!!!
PCs that had an ISA bus, a recycled acronym!
Ah, you young people. I remember Fortransit as a premium option. We wrote in SOAP.
@@jimpuls3532 punch cards for everyone 🤣😃🤣😃
I am of the age when FORTRAN was taught through using punch cards. Seeing your little FORTRAN program run successfully on a million-dollar IBM 360 mainframe - THAT was excitement!
I'm of an age where the day I was born was 36 years ago.
Great to see RISC 5 coming so far. 🥳 The competition alone of having an open processor architecture is a great thing, and will help it grow.
I agree. The world is big enough for more than two dominant processor architectures.
@@ExplainingComputers are you for real? Don’t you see the issue in this troubled world with Putin rising? This is giving a terror state unlimited access to what they need in weapons. Smart move.
When the video is 14 minutes long and you have 50 likes while having uploaded the video around 3 minutes ago, you know you have interested and loyal audience. Greetings Chris!
Greetings!
@ExplainingComputers
Greetings, chris!
I normally click Like first, but since YT is sneaky, I've started to wonder if they actually count it, even if they show it as counted to me. On videos with only a few likes, if I check in a private window it looks like they don't.
@@TooSlowTube they just dont count that well, tom scott has a video on it
I usually slam the like button as soon as the video is up. 🤭
Kinda crazy to think that there's a RISC-V CPU inside my Google Pixel's security chip. It's a lot more popular than I thought it was. Great video as always!
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It will be a happy day when we can order, receive, unpack & use a RISC-V desktop machine.
Thank you Chris, there were a lot of information packed into this video... 🙂
Thanks for your support. :)
You can order the Milk-V Pioneer, but it's very expensive. Later this year the Milk-V Oasis is expected. Price might be starting around $150, for a miini ATX system.
I had no idea RISC-V was so much involved with AI. Very exciting.
Rather the opposite: Every AI company is adopting RISC-V.
And they are doing it in many different ways. Eventually, I think that some of these approaches are going to look to be superior to others for different types of applications.
Very nice update. RISC-V is an area of technology in which I have interest, so good word from you is always welcome. Thanks!
Definitely exciting times! It is amazing how much RISC-V has progressed over your annual updates. Seems like it is really picking up steam!
His videos are always GREATNESS! His work demands an instant LIKE!
Thanks.
Your comment inspired me to press that like button!
Done and agreed. And I haven't even watched this week's contribution to global knowledge yet. I just know in advance!
@@xrafter Both these comments inspired me to press the like button, so I pressed it twice, once for each.
Pretty much always gets one from me 😀
I hope risc-v becomes the defacto computing standard and gets everyone out of the clutches of the IME, PSP, and ludicrous license fees.
Accretion coming... replace with RISC-V and also replace the OS (very cheap /Free)
AMD, INTC Slip as China Moves Away from Western Tech
China officials tell telecom carriers to phase out foreign chips by 2027.
This is U$A dream come true ..
China helping U$A to stop chip companies from supplying Chinese companies.
So great to see the two governments working together.
Risc-V is cool, but the forces that drove the creation of the IME may well give us similar type things on RISC V systems as well. If you can replace discrete chips with weird complex features on the CPU, it saves per-unit costs. So it's hard to imagine this kind of thing not happening.
Now, in Risc-V we may get a choice of cheaper systems with such approaches, and more expensive ones without. Or, due to market forces, we may not get a choice.
I got myself a Lichee Pi 4a, and the first time I turned it on, it couldn't find the WLAN. Ended up having to flash it with the newest image to get it working. I even added the Debian sources.list for faster and more current updates, since the default repository felt slow and outdated. But all things considered, I'm pretty happy with it. It's been awesome for learning RISC-V assembly language.
Very exciting new developments! I can't wait to see new videos you'll do of new products using RISC-V. 👍👍
Excellent video - I've not yet taken the plunge and bought any RiscV hardware yet and happy to be a passive observer till I decide to take a bite. High quality and interesting video on the subject - thank you!
I feel educated. I didn't really know much about RISC. Sounds like we may be coming into the dawn of something great. I look forward to more in this topic. Thanks Chris!
Intel and AMD chips are RISC chips that just present x86/64 interfaces to the other components. RISC came about when we started getting to compiled code i.e C programming it turned out that most programs only actually uses a small subset of the instructions available on the CPU so cutting out the ones not used allowed for much simpler and thus cheaper CPU's.
ARM is also a RISC processor - it's what the R in the middle stands for.
Thank YOU for the videos. I'm looking at risc-v currently.
Thank you! RISC-V is exciting indeed.
Amazing! It's awesome you make these annually.
I have been "testing the waters" with Espressif ESP32-C Series dev boards which are RISC-V based. Environment used is the Arduino IDE and MS VSC with PlatformIO. Proves that RISC-V will be the next "unseen" micro controller in all the gizmos we use daily.
Risc-V shaded recent time. It's a good you keep the topic alive.
I love the RISC V stuff since I don't know much about it. Good ingo. Thanks!
It will take long till the throne of x86 is taken in the desk-/laptop market, but I’m glad that new cpus are appearing.
Personally I don't want x86 to be taken over by RISC-V but I would definitely welcome it being an option. The thing I'd rather want to see RISC-V take over is ARM devices. x86 offers backwards compatibility, ARM offers e-waste.
Accretion coming... replace with RISC-V and also replace the OS (very cheap /Free)
AMD, INTC Slip as China Moves Away from Western Tech
China officials tell telecom carriers to phase out foreign chips by 2027.
This is U$A dream come true ..
China helping U$A to stop chip companies from supplying Chinese companies.
So great to see the two governments working together.
Hey... Hey... Hey... 1M Subs... Knew you could do it man... Congrats.!!!
Thanks. :) We got there.
I always keep Sunday evening free for Explaining Computer's video.
Knowledge booster ❤
Thanks for watching. :)
Interesting update on RISC-V.
Probably too late for this video but Espressif, the creator of the ESP32 line of microcontrollers have announced the ESP32-P4 which has two 400 MHz RISC-V cores and 50 GPIO pins. Maybe nothing for you people that have to run operating systems but seems that Espressif is going all in with RISC-V.
I will say that I don't notice what ISA I am using. But maybe that's the point.
I didn't not verify this, but their was this story from China in 2020 or in the few years that followed that the most popular DIY ARM-based Microcontroller wasn't being produced enough and that a RISC-V competitor took over the most popular spot because it could be slotted in place, for a very comparable price and with more features and pretty similar power envelope as well.
@@autohmae There were lots of supply issues during covid but unfortunately risc-v didn't fill any gaps. Lots companies switched vendors to anyone actually selling ARM microcontrollers. 3D printer boards for example when through multiple different ST microcontroller variants and then onto Raspberry Pi 2040's. Things have settled back down now. Its likely that Risc-V will win out in the end but its going to take a long time.
@@backgammonbacon I'm certain it will take a long time, RISC-V is ahead of schedule in what I thought would happen.
It makes sense, previous ESP boards used the xtensa ISA, wich was popular for DSPs because it is very flexible, allowing a company to only put the useful features on its CPU.
The downside is that Xtensa is a small ISA, much smaller than RISC-V. (In popularity). And due to its extreme flexibility, every Xtensa CPU is incompatible, needing a custom LLVM fork for every CPU model.
Risc-v have standardized extensions, so it still is a quite flexible ISA, but you can just use regular LLVM, no need for custom fork.
The new ESP32s are of some interest to the retrocomputer enthusiasts since they are always looking for cheap, fast, programmable signal generators with GPIO to act as a terminal, video processor or similar kinds of support chips. An open ISA is a bonus.
Wow, RISC-V development is really accelerating rapidly! Thanks for this report. You've really inspired my interest in RISC-V so I'm following along with keen intent. Thinking about purchasing an SBC for experimentation...
a sidenote: the new arm qualcomm snapdragon looks positively radiant and blows away both amd and intel, particularly in multicore. here i just built out a new and improved opnsense box - 3rd gen sff hp with 16gb ram - it came with an i7 which i transpanted into my ws - double bonus - the opnsense with i5 will be fine - it doubles my cores and ram over present machine - i just wanted some breathing room - should work well - the machine arrived filled with dirt, had to dissemble entire machine but things worked out after a bath - it was too dirty for mere compressed air. the i7 chip goes for 40, i got box for 30 so made out after some footwork - hoping it wil run well and for a long time - burn in is going well. keep making the good content - take a look at qualcomm arm efforts when you get a chance - there could be a tempest in a teapot brewing!
Sunday Morning Rise and Shine EC
I love the musical endings. Great video; thank you so very much!
I'm grateful that I got to see this. Good work, sir!
Thanks for watching. :)
I love these RISC updates. I'm glad to see more RISC-V devices hitting the industrial and systems development scenarios. I am just waiting for more software and OS official support of the instruction set the hardware on which it runs.
I originally thought it worked be risky looking through the comments for fear of to many good puns.
It has been wonderful to watch the the progress of the technology, and seeing it thrive in areas other architectures are lacking.
It would be nice to have more open sourced / open standard computing be a thing. As currently we're using closed standard x86 / ARM.
And while arm being efficient, RISC-V is honestly just the true future. As open standards that do the same thing usually win over closed standards.
I'm excited to see where RISC-V goes. And hopefully one day, I can either use a ARM cpu, or more preferably, a RISC-V CPU in my Linux gaming rig.
Good morning! It's time to get RISC-y up in here...
It's getting RISC-y over here with all the wind we've been having, way to go 'Storm Kathleen' 👀
@@alanthornton3530Oh, yikes! I hope you all stay safe over there... :(
Spectacular video 👍 Thank you, EC.
RISC-V is as exciting as ever . . . like Acorn in the 80's!
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
Thanks Chris for another happy Sunday. These are certainly exciting times for RISC-V development & a thoroughly interesting video to boot. In 1987 I had access to an Acorn BBC B Micro computer I didn't realise that I was using a RISC processor until more recently, there are several interesting UA-cam videos including 'The potted history of ARM' with Sophie Wilson & Steve Furber the co-designers of the ARM processor. Take care kind & regards Alan :)
Greetings Alan.
Hi Alan, the 'BBC B Micro' sounds like its the Model B. These were before Acorn used ARM chips. If it was a text interface (like a commodore 64) when you started it up, it was the predecessor. If it had a windows-like interface that you controlled with a mouse, then it was the ARM-powered generation of Acorn Archimedes computers. I had a few of these back in the day, awesome machines for the time.
Further to this, interestingly, the ARM chips at the time had a similar ISA size to the current risc-v chips. The current Arm chips ISA are much larger than competing x86 chips back in the late '80s. Think of risc-v as a reboot of the original arm chips, but with better architecture, open source, and small process node.
The BBC Model B microcomputer used a 6502 8-bit processor which predates RISC, though it has been described as "Classic RISC" for its minimalist design. You could also connect a second processor to the BBC using the "Tube" interface, and this CPU could be of various different architectures such as 6502, Z80 and more. I think this was used to test the earliest ARM processors while they were being developed.
@@jandrews377 It was the text interface that I used in 1987 for my 'O' level computer studies, my first encounter with a mouse was using Win 97 a blast from the late 90's
Great report.
Great edit.
Thank you, very much, Chris, for your thoughtful efforts (all around).
Appreciated.
Love your work!
Thanks for your support, most appreciated.
Sunday greetings, Chris. Thanks for this video.
This year's RISC - V update is certainly no surprise being a leap over last year's all around adoption. China's work on RISC V is certainly something to keep an eye for.
Thank you for keeping notes regarding the topic, so that anyone can watch the video
Im a big enthusiast of RISC V. Im sending my best wishes for it to succeed. I think inovative companies such as Google should try to adopt it as main processing unit. Maybe when building their own chips, they could help improve the tech
The ISA is open, but that doesn't mean specific implementations by chip manufacturers are.
Correct.
Indeed, and they might not necessarily be interoperable.
THIS IS THE FUTURE!!!!
I hope to hear from you again ... verrrrrry soon.
With every Risk video I get excited and think This is the year of RiskV! And then another year passes...
RISC-V to the other architectures - I am your wingman!
Thank you for all this interesting information about RISC-V.
You always do a great job both in your research and in presenting this information.
I received two RISC-V microcontrollers in the mail last Friday that I ordered: a tiny ESP32-C3 board and a CH32V203C8T6 Blue Pill clone. RISC-V is slowly gaining traction in the microcontroller market.
This says it all! :)
An update on riscV nice love the annual update . You should create Audio versions of your videos
Now theres a great idea!
Google testing Android on RISC-V ?!.. that would be awesome. ChromeFlex would be neat to see on RISC-V.
Nice summary, coffee (or tea ;) for you! Thank you.
Thanks, your support is most appreciated.
Always interesting to cover all and every tech alternatives,always.
0:55 It does not matter if x86 and ARM is faster and better, the fact that these are Closed ISA, their corresponding government can throw the Ban Hammer and deprive certain countries from using it. My money is on Open ISA in general and RISC-V in particular.
Another Sunday, another video. Anyway good video like always! Thanks a lot!
This is great. Very informative. I really like the idea of RISKV. Competition in industry is a good thing, especially for progress.
My concern is about making it easier for companies to perform anti consumer practices. It's not clear that more competition, will infact give consumers more options.
I had no idea RISC-V was a threat even to GPUs and NPUs for machine learning. I just figured it was a competitor to ARM. I hope to see it competing with desktop CPUs in an ATX form factor one day. I'd love to have Linux on RISC-V in a full fat desktop PC.
One thing that comes to my mind is that while ISA is open, the IP for the cores and CPUs are not. The good thing here is that we might see limited license impact of the CPUs as Intel/AMD/Arm would see true competition on the market.
The downside is that many OSS projects are going back to closed licenses as a side effect of cloud behemoths making money for free on others work. I guess with RISC-V ISA it might be the same. While technically open, we will have few major market players dictating the prices, at least in high end market
I'm eager to get an ATX motherboard to use as a development workstation. Also, Jim Keller's company, Tenstorrent, is doing some very interesting stuff with RISC-V. Considering his very esteemed pedigree, having produced some incredible results at Intel and AMD, I'm eager to see what his firm produces.
Mr Keller has stated multiple times that what they're working on is AI accelerators. So beyond using RV cores as controllers and the frontend, I don't see what one has to do with the other. Unless RISC-V comes up with a spec for vector 4bit vector ALUs, or 512bit ALUs - which it does not have, the spec only gets in the way for designing NPUs.
i personally would like to see either RISC-V or ARM full desktops ( not SBCs ) , but even then I might go with ARM, because it just seems RISC-V even at their most powerful lags behind ARM.
Great explanation - best channel for anything computing!
nice to see some competion to arm.
It will be nice to see consumer electronics with RISC-V, Android is going to be key in the speed of adaptation and chip availability.
Thanks Chris for this excellent update video.
So far my only RISC-V product that I own is a Pine64 “Pinecil” soldering iron. They also have a SBC and PineTab with the RISC-V SOC’s but I waiting for improved software as I am not a software guru…😂!
Well have a great week!
As more RISC-V dev tools are available, more polished software will enhance the ecosystem.
My favorite part is ur vids r like 70s talks in health class. I watch 100% of ur videos, btw.
Thanks for watching. :)
Yes, it's refreshing his focus is on facts not clicks
Another great video! Thank you, Chris.
I love the idea of running an open source OS on an open CPU/architecture.
I came for the glasses stayed for the hair
Great update
Thanks for sharing your video with all of us 🙂
Base x86 spec is actually an open standard and it's royalty-free; it's the extensions that are proprietary. Every modern x86-64 CPU has ISA extensions; without them the chip wouldn't do much and would be able to operate only in the 16-bit mode. Intel and AMD have cross-licensing agreements for many of these extensions, and it's one of the reasons why Intel and AMD CPUs are mostly cross-compatible.
Risc on the Rise!
It sure is!
Ah, a moment of respite before returning to the weekly grind. Thanks Chris
Great update. Thank you!
This is so exciting to see.
I feel like the success of risc-v in ai accelerators and co-processors has had the interesting effect of illustrating how risc-v (broadly speaking) cannot be standardised to the degree required by consumer computer platforms without abandoning the flexibility and ease of adaptation that is its primary competitive advantage.
it will be interesting to see if within the broader risc-v architecture we start to see more restrictive and domain specific sub-standards emerge that allow for increased code portability between different manufacturers
Now that RISC-V things are happening faster, I hope you can do another RISC-V update video in say 6 months. At this point waiting a year is too long.
A good point. I will certainly consider this.
Hopefully there will also be great developer tools for RISC-V machine learning.
Perhaps even something to translate CUDA to make the transition easier.
The demand for smartwatch is also fairly limited compared to a smartphone, tablet and PC, so it does seem like the easiest market to begin in for wider regular consumer adoption.
Otherwise probably more so in countries with limited access to ARM and x86 that will more heavily push for RISC-V being used more widely.
Imagination technologies APXM-6200 seems quite interesting as a board integrated with their GPU. Seemingly announced the day after this video went live. 😅
Oh sweet RISC-V deliver us from the grasps of the evil intel management engine, amen
Arduino and risc-v seem like a good match, I wonder how long it'll be till it's dominant in that market?
Interesting. I wouldn't have predicted that RISC-V will be used for AI accelerators. Though the extensible architecture and instructionset basically allows everything, so I shouldn't be surprised.
Great video. If you are looking for a quick and easy video topic, maybe you should take us on a tour of the free RISC-V courses you mentioned at 3:58. It would be interesting to see what is available and see if these are courses that would benefit us.
A good video idea -- noted! :)
Thanks for the update very very useful. looking forwards to more from yourself and thanks again
Every time someone mentioned AI, it gives me the shivers. I'm old school I would rather use a z80 chip. 🙂
Z80 was cool. Still in some washing machines I think.
What would be interesting to know is the evolution of publicly available RISC-V micro-architectures (commercial or open source) and how do they fare against their x86 or ARM counterparts
the moment the MNT reform and MNT pocket reform come out with a riscV module, im gonna make the jump. for high end desktop use, riscV is far from being suitable but for a small laptop its definitely getting there, and it lines up perfectly with MNT's open hardware design philosophy
Biggest growth (YoY, %-wise) seems to be for AI, even though the absolute numbers are topped by microcontrollers still. Thanks for the informative video.
Great review and analysis as always. Good job and LOVE the channel!
This was an excellent report on the previous year's RISC-V developments! I think the most exciting developments are the likes of RISE and RISC-V Labs working towards accelerating development of open-source software for RISC-V, Meta's MSVP and MTIA, and (showing my fandom here... 🤭) your RISC-V week video diary. Hopefully 2024 will bring more great progress in RISC-V development.
I feel you may have explained how you do what I'm about to ask you before somewhere, my memory's utterly terrible and I apologize, but how do you put together these annual recaps on not just RISC-V, but quantum computing?
These reviews videos as basically just slog -- lots of gathering information, lots of reading, and lots of trying to work out what to include, what to exclude (here a lot!), and what to group into segments. For both RISC-V and quantum computing I open the script file for the next year's review as soon as I finish the current one, and then as news comes up in feeds (social media, but also press releases), I throw stuff into the document. So when I went to start making this particular video, the script was was already 11 months old, and full of possible material to include.
@@ExplainingComputers Very interesting! Thank you, Chris. :)
(p.s., hope your weekend's going well!)
It seems like only a year or two ago the consensus was that RISC-V would likely be virtually unusable for desktop use for at least a decade. I'm glad to see that things have progressed so far in so short a time.
Merry Sunday one and all.... :)
Happy Sunday!
Greetings!
Focus your knowledge toward China. China love to fund the open source standard of risc v its good for their business. And for the researchers its great for them to gain fortunes in China and break through monopoly, dual poly of tech oligarch . If you guys can work hand in hand with China the open standard and the open source of this architecture shall be kept just like Libux revolution in the servers and android the linux clone on the handheld devices. This will be greater if the risc v also can be use as microcontroller and as gpu processors
It is interesting. The pressure from ARM based architectures from Apple or Snapdragon to Intel will be replicated from RiscV to ARM.
I have a closet filled with i86 cores, just waiting for me to go thru them to salvage some data.
I now have an array of Pi 4's taking care of all kinds of stuff I wouldn't have bothered with i86 systems.
I just got my first Pi5 and am working at making it ny go to for CAD/CAM work, as well as a monitor of the Pi4's.
thanks for the update
RISC will change the world - Dade Murphy aka Crashoveride aka Zerocool
From what I remember us a lot of USA asking About this as they couldnt fully understand the code.
So it was base code plus an accelerator.
The chip made by Canada was the code open source with a lock on it so it couldn't be upscaled past a certain speed.
They were asking about hardware locks and software locks. The hardware locks in theory could be bypassed easy if you could extract the code and put it on an open chipset.
The software lock could be a program string not allowing it to go past a certain speed or something to create an error, or increase error rate as it goes faster and faster.
It could be lots of things.
It could be more than one lock or lots hidden.
So they were asking if I was privy to this Intel.
No.
But they were able to unlock it past 1 or 2 simple locks they found in a day when they don't fully understand the code in the first place.
So it is a mystery to me if there are hidden locks that will give Canada an advantage later and backdoors in the system that would allow Canada to hijack all the arm based chips for surveillance.
I bought a TuringPi 4 slot motherboard and have two Turing RISC-V SOM with the RK3588 and
Mixtile SOM also with RK3588. Each have 32GB RAM.